tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-70203742598179604532024-03-25T17:12:39.648-07:00Grace Dalton is very peculiarHow did you end up here? My apologies for this mess.
This blog has a few articles, but is mostly a collation of (my very naff) commentary on news items, with replies to my comments from random FB users in italics. Because I can't shut up, and I find the reponses intriguing....GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-31008914737736079372023-11-13T18:36:00.000-08:002024-03-25T17:12:04.554-07:00<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></p><p></p><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":R1al9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH2:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":rqk:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1880056/iceland-hot-cross-buns-tick?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1711024283" target="_blank">Iceland sparks backlash as it replaces Christian symbol on hot cross buns with tick</a><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
cross on hot cross buns represents the cross on which Jesus died, to
take the punishment that our sin deserves. Why exactly does Iceland
oppose that?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Having said that, most of the population ignores Jesus either way, that's what's actually a tragedy.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>actually the cross on the bun is NOT a Christian symbol</i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>.....Hot
cross buns have been synonymous with Easter celebrations since they
appeared in 12th century England. Interestingly, hot cross buns pre-date
Christianity, with their origins in paganism. Ancient Egyptians used
small round breads topped with crosses to celebrate the </i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i>gods.</i></span></span></span></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
well aware that one website claims that, that's not definitive history.
That others have used cross imagery does not disprove that crosses on
buns became common in Britain at Easter as a representation of the Cross
on which Jesus died. People celebrated in the winter when the country
was pagan, that doesn't change the fact that people came to celebrate
Jesus' birth in winter; pagans also had festivities in Spring, that
doesn't change the fact that people came to remember Jesus death and
resurrection at this time of year.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">For centuries, people have been putting crosses on buns because of Christian tradition, not pagan.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
question is, why do so many people now ignore the actual cross - ie,
Jesus' crucifixion - and why do Iceland feel inclined to erase crosses?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/posts/pfbid0PCNRWT3S5PPjKmN6LfJ6QWf4KhCaG1QetsJsgJ6ByGFpTsHv4T1bYM88zNqq3tPvl?comment_id=424912890033881&notif_id=1711408156678186&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif" target="_blank">Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has warned people the role of religion in Australia is “under attack”</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Most
people aren't aware of the reasons to conclude that God's existence and
Jesus' resurrection are actually *true*, so they presume they're myth
and ignore Him. That they ignore Him is the real tragedy, "the role of
religion" is comparatively unimportant.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fcody-fisher-killers-planned-shank-up-footballer%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR08PlpO3pMD_T-AtxrKKxYqDoNV5Bfu5K9uI_OGjtAMiqm8KTmK4kwqIQU&h=AT1ZJKWdwsw0XpiI-kI4gsnAhKIRpczwdsEV7BcSZRZoWUmtE1TjqzkViRhn6Dw5XHFdF-k1DtlIYc9LcQBjNWQ47Q6jbuZBOzncV-Wj9_L63Sdg58uTUem4TaYO9rQdIweN&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0ClIEWpcWiFRe97XQdcCYj39LKe9dc6WG5eqMdgCgsCWNCenyF3RzC8egHOkwdgKB7HbcA3KxSlslF7i9cJJ1qEtaCqBbtZOWz5ZH36an10daoK3MNc0c8A4iR3qYtlZuAdvKYK43IFEqcjWuL9apNl8ooMZ1aNawR71EX_dWG7OQrcw" target="_blank">Police arrest Cody Fisher's killers as 'plan' to attack footballer revealed</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As
usual, people here making it about ethnicity. For frick's sake. Do you
guys think the same as all other white people? Evidently not, since I
and others have fundamentally different thought processes to you - so
why think that the actions of these <a tabindex="-1"></a>murderers are anything to do with any other people of colour?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Maybe it's not great to exploit a death for your race arguments(?)</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>It's nothing to do with skin colour. It's the third world culture beneath it.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Based
on what evidence? And why do you even think that they're from the 3rd
world? The 3rd world is a mess because some *white people* invaded and
left it in a state.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Black violent crime is out of control and well documented. They look like third world hostile aliens to me and they proved it.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"look like"? How? And why do you think that a person's behaviour is connected to how they look?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Documented"
where? Perhaps you're confusing the fact that more live in poorer urban
areas, where gangs recruit teens, with race. What <a tabindex="-1"></a>evidence is that they're more violent? Why do you think that their brains are different? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
the 3rd world is a mess because some people from *our country*, with
*our ethnicity* colonised, enslaved and did utterly barbaric things.
Human beings of any ethnicity can be violent.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>OMG
what an apologist you are ! The evidence is the massive rise in knife
crime in the ghettos they create. What barbaric things are you
referring to? Incidentally many whites have been enslaved through the
centuries.</i></span> <br /><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So you can't answer any of the questions or back up your assertions? OK, bye </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(PS
you could read about the barbaric things I'm referring to for yourself.
One that sticks out in my mind is a coloniser who forced Africans to
collect rubber for him, and chopped off their hands if they didn't
collect enough)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">
<i>I live in a riot torn North London ghetto with stabbings and shootings
nearly every day by blacks. I bet you can't provide evidence of the
particular coloniser who chopped off hands.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian-congo-1904/?fbclid=IwAR37kUS8Qk6Pba33I5FcXAyKa5LolbhJoqzp_iQZyMhzL2qDojdCWh-YH5o" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/father-hand-belgian.../</a>You still haven't provided any evidence. But again, bye.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>The Belgian Congo was not part of the British Empire lol<span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span> The evidence is all around me.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
didn't say that it was part of the British empire - but the article is
about the ANGLO-Belgian India Rubber Company - I was making the point
that white people can be disgustingly violent, and that was the 1st
example that sprung to my mind. Saying "The evidence is all around me."
is not evidence. Evidence would be research articles showing that Black
people are inherently more violent.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Metropolitan Police figures show that they are.</i></span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">P<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">olice figures can't show that, there are other factors, as I've mentioned - but you haven't provided police figures anyway</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>some
races don’t value life as we fortunately do. Your Grandfathers (i
assume) as myself fought against people like these In the forces you
would not believe how much hate is against our people and still we stand
by them out of diplomacy. You won’t agree with me
I’m sure and appreciate that but be on a front against men of non
British origin and you would potentially understand my post.</i></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Some
races"? Why do you think different races have different brains? Why do
you think that those you've encountered who are violent are the
responsibility of other individuals who happen to share a skin tone?</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>many
years ago I’d have taken your view and went into the forces to try and
convince the world we are all equal, but then having been face to face
in various situations we as white people are considered as an elite race
and therefore not trusted and disliked by those we were fighting to
protect. Please understand this is/ was my boots on the ground view and I
totally take yours on board with all respect</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
the actions of those you encountered aren't the responsibility of
others sharing their skin colour. But we do have the benefit of living
in a country with cultural values shaped partially by Jesus' teaching
and example rather than by a certain other religious figure.Thankyou for your service.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/PremierRadioChristian/posts/pfbid0EGw3nD7FTpXXJURSNhhCKcWaDwjeG2JVqeXhyfVuAgFNmBAaP2cpNYepnJEjoxf2l?comment_id=1346893855993677&reply_comment_id=1453542891923618" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Will our pets be in heaven?</span></a> <br /></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What does it say about our culture that so many people are equating animals with humans?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
don't think they are equating animals with humans. Humans often have
such a strong bond with their pets it is comforting to know they have a
place in God's kingdom too.</i></span></div></div></span><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="xv55zj0 x1vvkbs x1rg5ohu xxymvpz"><div class="x3nfvp2 x1n2onr6 xxymvpz xh8yej3"><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
not presuming that everyone asking this question consciously equates
humans and animals, but I feel it's a reflection of a broader societal
trend in which I know that many people do. And we really should be more
concerned about human beings who don't yet know God than about dogs.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftrib.al%2FInxnI5Z%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3oOaO2Y_LZUbxMPD8zkOV65GZw8J389yLKIyGa4jXtd4irDnZ8Pbwjd1o&h=AT0V0vNWphjh_dshlTh89XXCyz2gTf3qGLD4SZmrhwRhJ2UHtt-eLbxm5OgmXtzQ9k5lgQKINgU3qxWmFnTZ4wIFXGj4NTrNvSsrHTiRQ-eSKhQijGqdRht7ZkG6qNobr0Zz&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT03DNtuWa-cvMt0Cj6WlpfmZKkMA6stg7kqT2Mc8crcM573NBoa-SyuD6nR71jND4t9Svk4ef7IckSm8ABYjyq751_fhLJgUEC3HiGVZrmKdbLM8Ym1trJhB4Ls2SJ3B28Hq6ajyoZNghakaYF_2ppWc3wMhIr_2N4ojP17lVxSVTDeHg" target="_blank">Across Europe, people are paying up to 50 percent more for chocolate this Easter than last year.</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Incomparably
more of a problem than prices on eggs going up is the underpayment,
mistreatment and even enslavement of those who pick cocoa - how can we
force corporations to address these?</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/reel/1833223380434465" target="_blank">Caller Richard believe migrants are to blame for the UK’s healthcare problems</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People
complain about migrants being *young* men, and then blame them for the
NHS struggling. In reality the NHS has been mismanaged (with plenty of
it's funding ending up in the coffers of contracted corporations), and
has more to do because of our <a tabindex="-1"></a>ageing population and because of Western lifestyle factors.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We're STILL immensely privileged to have far more healthcare than most of humanity.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/new-england-shirt-design-why-colour-lbc-caller-370928/" target="_blank">‘We can’t say Happy Christmas anymore’ – Unhinged caller stuns LBC host </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Christmas
was about remembering the birth of Christ - who came to offer us
salvation. Most people have already rejected Him, the phrase Happy
Christmas (which we haven't actually been banned from saying) is
unimportant in itself.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">if
he did exist, he wasn't born in December, the historical record proves
it was closer to Easter (the census that caused the travel to
Bethlehem). What we know as Christmas was a stolen pagen holiday to
celebrate midwinter and spring being around the corner.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
well aware that He wasn't born in December, and that Church leaders
decided to mark His birthday then to dissuade pagan celebrations.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Historians don't debate "if" He existed.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>yes they do, there is no historical proof he existed.</i></div></div></span><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why do you think that?</span></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><i>because there isn't any proof............</i></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You mean you haven't looked into it</span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>No, I mean I've looked into it and there's zero proof......... you obviously haven't tho......</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Go ahead, cite sources</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died?fbclid=IwAR0OXpd0As7pqyj5GRxx8IEbZ_7p3t8GhoQa_7j_QDVFMQy1kz8518770M8" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../what-is-the-historical...</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm?fbclid=IwAR0yjqyIKAIbmOWo_tERhY7kRwjw9us4Fg8t5CJWSy8EdgWH8zPMCeVrgWY" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...</a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>there
is zero evidence of the biblical Jesus and of course if you use a 6
year old article from a religious scholar, they're going to miraculous
find evidence he existed. There was a trouble maker/preacher in
historical records but there is no evidence
whatsoever that the fiction character portrayed in the bible ever
existed. No evidence for his supposed miracles or sermons either......</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
you aren't citing any sources, you're just stating your opinion. And
I'm not sure why you think the Guardian article (which I use as just one
example since it's from a well known outlet, but well known outlets
rarely cover this topic) is void because it was written several years ago.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You should read the other article I linked to, and I could go on, but this thread has taken up too much time already. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>lmfao,
you want me to cite sources of ZERO evidence???? How do you do that
exactly???? What mental gymnastics have you put yourself to come up with
that???? There is zero proof he existed, I'm not sure how you expect me
to cite sources for something that doesn't exist...........</i></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">C<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ite the historians who've concluded that there's "zero evidence"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>your
clutching at straws now. Where is your proof that the biblical Jesus
and the biblical events happened??? You don't have any because there is
NO proof. If there is no proof then biblical Jesus did not
exist..............</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
not clutching at straws, I asked you to cite sources (historians
attesting that there's no evidence). I've already linked to a few
articles referencing scholars discussing Jesus' existence, and I could
go on and on, but I get the impression I'd be wasting my time.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>only
one link appears on my feed and that's for the guardian article. I
didn't say that nobody CALLED Jesus existed, I'm saying there is zero
evidence for the character that appears in the bible. The bible is a
fairy tale created by men with a vested interest in
keeping a population in check and allowing an 'elite' to grasp and keep
hold of power (think the likes of Trump, Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Boris
Johnson as the authors)</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Jesus
taught that the poor matter, in contrast to the world's presumption
that some should dominate and subjugate others. The leaders you've
listed all behave how Jesus taught *not* to.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Exactly, that hypocrisy confirmed my atheism<br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Actions
by people behaving in defiance of Jesus' teachings don't change
anything about Jesus, let alone prove that there's no God (since you
mention atheism). And Jesus spent a lot of time arguing with people who
were considered religious authorities yet weren't actually following
God.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">FTR, Stalin actively tried to stop Christianity.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>wrong.
Christmas was originally a pagan holiday until the 4th century when
Christianity did their thing steal it. change it slightly and make it
their own holiday.</i></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Christmas
was originally"? *Christ*mas was always evidently about Christ. Prior
to that, I'm well aware that pagan winter celebrations took place, and
that Church leaders decided to mark Jesus birthday in December to
mitigate these.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/23/medieval-christian-misogyny-shapes-how-we-judge-women-today-says-scholar?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1711188800" target="_blank">Medieval Christian misogyny shapes how we judge women today, says scholar</a> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Misogyny
is not Christian. Jesus was counter-culturally respectful of women, and
it was women who saw Him first following the resurrection.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>the
Bible says women shouldn't have authority over a man and that wives
should be submissive. Misogyny can occur outside of Christianity, but
Christianity is a conduit for it.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat's a verse from a letter to a specific Church with particular issues. Either way, it doesn't endorse misogyny.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>the
message of which is that women shouldn't have authority over a man.
That is what is written in the bible. And wives being submissive to
husbands? That's not misogyny in your view?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"That
is what is written in the bible" - one can't just pluck out verses from
their contexts, as mentioned. And the Bible is a compilation of texts
for which settings and history are relevant. Paul, who wrote the verse
you refer to, states <a tabindex="-1"></a>that he's talking about a church, and in other letters he commends women in positions of authority.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Wives and husbands are told to submit to *each other*, it's mutual.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>plucking
out verses is exactly what the homophobic types of Christians do. Are
you suggesting Christians ignore certain parts of the bible? One of, if not the, biggest Christian denomination (Catholicism) doesn't allow women to be church leaders, so it's hardly a tiny aspect of their beliefs. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>There
are Christians even today who think wives should be submissive. It's
not an irrelevant verse that people ignore. Marriage in Christianity was
based around the idea the wife shouldn't honour and obey. How can you
deny Christianity thinks women should be submissive when even marriage
vowels say as much?</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No, reading whole passages and considering wider context and linguistics is not "ignoring certain parts of the bible".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If some Christians think wives should be submissive, it doesn't mean that Christianity is misogynistic. The followers, or <a tabindex="-1"></a>purported followers, of a person do not determine what that person's teaching and example were, the person (Christ) does. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Marriage
in Christianity was based around the idea..." says who? That's not what
the Bible says. And the vows you seem to be referring to are not Bible
text, thy're Anglican - but they're also not misogynistic, they compel
the husband to cherish his wife.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftrib.al%2FGNJ82dy%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2Qpba499UpxuoivfxbwJxJRZbfphP5allw4tPOFGuAKkFQx9nkdlEHOPU&h=AT0rbqLbZrp1Dkqn-k_OwGuFYcIi7z2ii01IGhWrIplCIfmi5TPgmMwsTQhfzKxKBqeBSgytvAdjQ-Q-HRcvrztUHCfnXBu5k2NDt4XyYekKwm6luH9R4eZ34ZPwDea9TS4d&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT0cx7-9_RtKJTgVfngPIv8ool7Br76SHwgG2gUQPwcwiUhnYaylwZJvNIe4BRsJNr85Bjbxwh0eDwJ2R2Ykai4jJpFlZQ3OBkR7zONqwWq65WMq9bmApw9fpFYl5q4jMhTP9m4vceN53CKrSQon2Fs1SsJ6pPKs7-ds4ZLw5VmpDHcaEQ" target="_blank">The last thing a football shirt should do is make you angry </a></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I've
never given a toss about flags, yet I'm annoyed. It might be my
Asperger's - words and symbols can't just be altered for no good reason,
there have to be constants in order for people to make sense of the
world and to communicate (I've felt similarly about Right wingers trying
to redefine woke). It seems arrogant on Nike's part - and if they want
to do something "inspiring", how about ensuring all of the people who
make their clothes are fairly paid and treated?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Obviously I'm acutely aware that flags and football kits don't actually matter, and I don't like football.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">disagree.
If it triggers you a bit due to your Aspergers I can be empathetic to
that, but i really can't see any "arrogance" here, or a need (for most
people) to always have well known things stay the same, and have noone
make changes to them...</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>(2nd commentator replying to 1st) it's
another show of capitalism infiltrating the capilaries of society which
is what I believe Gramsci spoke about in how capitalism built up a
hegemony by infiltrating our schools, leisure, religion (many christians
i.e. non-conformists traditionally didn't fall for
it so supported first Liberals then Socialists when they came. It's
more evident in evangelism in America), institutions etc. The difference
is that it's backfired on them and the right are capitalising on the
anger people are feeling.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
don't agree with it because as a Christian it's a saint flag and only
the church should be allowed to make changes to the flag in my opinion. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I can also see the argument Grace is making and as a person with asbergers too I agree with her points.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
think you mean *evangelicalism* in America - but the word is entirely
misused there, it's incredibly frustrating. Evangel means Good News -
that Jesus died for our sin and rose, so Evangelicalism means caring
more about that than about Church institutions, thus we (Evangelicals in
the UK) are more modern/casual (and ethnically diverse) than some other
Churches, and particularly focussed on The Gospel. In the US, various
political trends have led to the word referring to people who sometimes
clearly aren't trying to follow Jesus at all. This is interesting - <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNiiRnO7UTTk%26fbclid%3DIwAR2XA0OS14yAU8eZEnHSC6mtfncaEsXKXxNIVB8Vmn6mJm0xqzvzzmcWAjo&h=AT2bHNsnPH0Eyc_YEfQeHjyGzxOR8E9o6EGRiXMb3WEK3sB_1XQE1EIZREtNik0rB-ZgeTAImKIbDmOztDZ1CMeMxvuOpd4fPZ2SXn7WFMjUrnBs9n-6SveP9m9hv7veWMZX&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT1agpMp9_MbjClgIizdT0SQ4yTZkJpwpVFTZ3jgDZI6QZ0uAZYukSzeknT9IEhoGpdaSWsmLzozSV4KRfVBULJ29T_4Gc0HyzswYTrM1V850RUhp1HtzflFb-UL-onAbb_J3RLSfCBPSaCIAEfylgy4J5_rdPU-KEd9fCiCWqo" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiiRnO7UTTk</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
concur with your point RE Capitalism, and that it's worth pointing out
that the English flag is ultimately based on a cross - St George's cross
obviously being the result of his belief in what Jesus did on the
cross. IMO, now that most of our country ignores God, people are
instinctively looking for other "religions", football and national
identity being examples. People are upset about what Nike's done because
they're interfering with something people feel is a sacred part of
their identity.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>the
flag never even used to be on the shirt. Its bever had a white back on
the shirt apparently. Im autistic and i find this hilarious that grown
men are getting their knickers in a twist when the Tories and ukip have
both recoloured the union jack. Plus our Olympic teams did similar before too.</i></div></div></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Oh
I'm aware that the logo hasn't always been on the back of the shirt and
that people shouldn't be freaking out. Ultimately nothing about
football actually matters.</span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid02kMZccc6kjZYCGbMAodq7Q2VjDnU9nYrUSisFsdcBrmGPi4QAegeYNhBwCf8G1Qd5l?comment_id=980493597124834" target="_blank">'How DARE they touch the flag': Mark Dolan grills Nike for INSULTING and DIMINISHING British values</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
fact, both the English flag and many of our values ultimately link back
to Jesus (who died on a cross for our sin, and inspired St George to
oppose evil, as well as teaching respect for others that was lacking in
our civilisation before Christianity arrived) - but most British people,
and this channel, already ignore Him. The flag indeed is a constant and
should not be changed - but in itself it's inconsequential, what
ultimately matters has already been disregarded</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">PS - why have you put a red frame around the English flag in this clip???<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/PremierRadioChristian/posts/pfbid08WkSQ3cten15krk5jm6ediZkoXzM9ZzRW3XSbfudraeQxSaV98TqaQUVAgGgeJQel?comment_id=753557243533544" target="_blank">What keeps young people in church and alive in their faith... and what puts them off?</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">IMO
there should be apologetics from an early age - my experience of Sunday
school was solely Bible stories, eventually I started to wonder why I
should believe any of it.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/family/mum-insists-babysitter-pays-450-32397830?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1711294675" target="_blank">Mum insists babysitter pays £450 compensation for giving meat to vegetarian kids </a></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That was a mis-steak. She shouldn't beef about it. At least the babysitter didn't just tell porkies about the food.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
all seriousness, we're privileged to live in a country where there's
plenty of nourishment available, there are mothers in our world who
would be thrilled if their child was given some meat because at present
they're malnourished.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Floom.ly%2F0ogbxW4%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1qULFny7TxAOP3hvjPHJYIb2LOZ3jHiyvf1EO4KoHPdyIVla3wYVdw9Bo_aem_ATQV9ddvdy88gdGpwCFvt55jg3Fwg2TsYdnYXgr2H20PUENYE97RyKzO0VhwDuwUcmtL0qvuwfwJmbVpsK2bRsQF&h=AT0ZYobXgc0SSvSbid50fjRRjgmnd0cun-rKiEJ9DF3n7JulWQG0YojKOrqDdfHVbO-TaGtcBKeID0HURfLO7WrLk_badDaipioIEEUmGjzfpcE2R0w7MwirsGAW0nOXP9y4&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT09XYpa2L_PZU6B6bqa2FWFahavEJMNWAdc1CR6B510DhVlUTz27zcJUgX78imrVJgVWgDvnirUDscSgYStcZASLtfRHNhIl54iH1SW7gDYbqAmkdT9c-X6HZ2Y814eTnzZODSBxWHMdrqqlTlhNage7XQDBe9qtAMMDk046yoIAul48g" target="_blank">‘The illusion of border control: The Rwanda policy is a complete farce!’ Watch this week’s FULL Sunday Sermon now<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Wow
this is gross. The concept of Sunday sermons is that we learn about and
reflect on God - talking about politics and calling it a Sunday sermon
is putting politics in the place of God. You're more antithetical to
Christianity than the migrants you moan about.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/stvnews/posts/pfbid02k5HNjrGm6Fv9gP5gRdXsaQzKgQ3CK6ud82sCqtXSeVNXWQ2pc1fgigzzPbojvwMHl?comment_id=736308858607539" target="_blank">Conservative Party should tell donor Frank Hester 'where his money should go' and return any funding <br /></a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
would giving the money back help? This despicable bloke doesn't deserve
to have his bank account boosted because of the disgusting comments.
His company must be investigated and barred from government contracts,
and he himself must be barred from any events or correspondence that
could be lobbying. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
money should be given to charity, in consultation with Diane Abbott.
IMO, since his business is apparently in health tech, it'd be fitting
for the money to help Black women who have no healthcare. In subSaharan
Africa there are women lacking healthcare entirely, for whom the £amount
can make many times more impact than it can here.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
been disturbing seeing so many people make light of the comments, and I
worry for how this may have made Black women observing feel.</span> <br /></div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>the
Green party have suggested it be used for anti racism and domestic
violence charities. Labour and the libdems want him to get the money
back, no doubt hoping at some future date he might finance them.........</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Y<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ikes.
I knew Labour were calling for the money to be given back and thought
that that's daft, it's a fascinating idea that the explanation is that
they hope he'll donate to them</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">very
revealing none of the big Westminster parties want him to loose out.
The Green Party idea seems like ideal karma to me, and I never voted for
them.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't believe in karma myself, though I think you mean justice(?) which
I think goes beyond the Green Party's suggestion - in addition to the
money going to help Black women* there needs to be an investigation into
Hester and his company, with contracts terminated and sanctions. It's
disturbing, given that health outcomes differ between ethnic groups
within the UK, that he has power over a healthcare company - ideally I
think he should be forced from his company and banned from running any
others in future.</div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*(I
suggested those within Africa lacking healthcare since the degree of
need is so severe, and £ for £ the money can do far more, but obviously
there's also work to be done addressing inequality here)</div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>The
comments made against her were indeed unacceptable. As have many
comments made by politicians, political commentators, journalists and
private individuals over the years. Including Abbot herself. And the
Marxist left (which she represents). The difference
between the comments about her and all the millions of comments made by
and about others is they received special coverage - headlines in the
press particularly the BBC for 3 days milking the situation for all its
worth. </i> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*the
difference* is that the comments were explicitly willing MURDER upon
her, as well as expressing sentiment that he (Hester) feels negatively
about Black women in general because of his dislike for her (that is the
basis of racism). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The <a tabindex="-1"></a>unacceptable
comments that she made last year (for which I believe she should
continue to be suspended from the party - though I believe she was
unthinking rather than malicious), and other awful comments made by
certain political figures, are not of the same severity at all. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
whilst there are many tweets from random members of the public calling
for the deaths of certain politicians, Hester's comments are newsworthy
because of his enormous power.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>that's
of course your opinion and more likely based on personal political
bias. He made a comment in a private meeting 5 years ago that The
Guardian dug up for political reasons. He wasn't advocating murder. But
we're bound to disagree due to our political
differences. Oh BTW I don't think she should have been kicked out the
Labour Party. Everyone says things they regret or could have phrased
differently. Personally I favour a greater degree of tolerance, calm and
forgiveness when they do, not using it for political gain or (without
any mercy) hounding them.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"more
likely based on personal political bias"? Excuse me? I just explained
*reasoning*, you've not addressed it. Accusing someone of bias without
addressing what they've actually said is not a logical position. And I
don't know what you're basing your presumptions about me on, I'm no fan of Abbott.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>y<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">our
assumption that he was advocating murder and that he was racist must of
been based on your bias (you said almost as much at the end of your
statement). A logical assessment of the motivation of The Guardian and
that it was a private comment 5 years ago for which
he had attempted to apologise would have lead to a far less judgemental
attitude unless your were politically biaised.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">He
*did* advocate murder, have you not read what he said? I'm not
presuming that he expected someone to enact it, but he *did* say that it
should happen. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And the comments *were* racist, I've explained why (though it should have been <a tabindex="-1"></a>obvious), which part did you not understand?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Attempted to apologise"? No, he said he was "rude". Wishing death upon someone is not "rude".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
I'm not a fan of Abbott, and you don't know me, so you have no grounds
for asserting that my comment is motivated by *bias*</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>he
is reported to have attempted to contact Abbott twice to apologise but
she refused to take his calls. They were private comments he originally
made. You and I have discussed other matters before and although we
sometimes agree, on party political matters your
anti-Conservative bias is very evident. If you don't think you have one
and your views here and actions think should be taken align with a
Christian faith then it is another area we differ but that's up to you.
We all privately say things that if put into the public domain we would
be ashamed of or at least rephrase. On this occasion the people who took
his private comments and put them into the public domain did so for
political gain. When things like this happen I favour (where possible)
forgiveness, acceptance we all are guilty and tolerance particularly
when the person has regret and attempts to apologise irrespective of
whether they are conservative donors or labour mps. You disagree and
appear quite happy to pick up the stone to throw it.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
unsurprising that someone wouldn't want to talk with a man who's called
for them to be killed. He could easily have made a decent public
apology rather than simply referring to being "rude". Frankly, were he
really sorry and given he <a tabindex="-1"></a>has so much money to
throw around, he could have made a donation to a charity helping Black
folk (such as one working in Africa).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Anti-Conservative
bias"? That I often disagree with the Conservative party doesn't mean
that I'm "biased". I could just as easily say that your views are merely
pro-Conservative bias - but one needs to actually address the *points
made*. And for me politics is not a binary, my views are far more
complicated than I think you presume. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Pick up the stone to throw it"? How? I'm not hurting Hester nor calling for him to be hurt.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"all
privately say things that if put into the public domain we would be
ashamed of or at least rephrase"? Personally, not really (and note that
the Bible calls us to be careful with our words/tongues). And I doubt
many people would privately say what Hester said, because most people
don't have such extreme thoughts.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed
we should favour forgiveness, but that's not what this is about at all,
we aren't the offended party. It's not our place to forgive, and again,
I'm not enacting any kind of retribution either - the conversation is
about opposing racism and the wishing of death upon others, as well as
serious concerns about the corruption in our politics.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnw2ZGQI1PJVjBWWaBkbIjTtJoYkHWnK95rnP-B4Jji0GrGFDNZKM1CTqOtIOYqvyOwx8-Q7tDlox6Rkvzg3yb2bgGy3f7Cs-gM3O5CzTKw-Qg0jarQyhcrKqURxrhtlWtdi2-F0J_VCUvh8qUZRfCYJCsoGH1Dffg27-CQPNIXDyNtCzjN_5SSKIc1_g/s1216/431820396_936727928095941_736875110355992143_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1216" data-original-width="526" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnw2ZGQI1PJVjBWWaBkbIjTtJoYkHWnK95rnP-B4Jji0GrGFDNZKM1CTqOtIOYqvyOwx8-Q7tDlox6Rkvzg3yb2bgGy3f7Cs-gM3O5CzTKw-Qg0jarQyhcrKqURxrhtlWtdi2-F0J_VCUvh8qUZRfCYJCsoGH1Dffg27-CQPNIXDyNtCzjN_5SSKIc1_g/s320/431820396_936727928095941_736875110355992143_n.jpg" width="138" /></a></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Reindeers,
Father Christmas and every other aspect of the Christianity theme"???
Yikes. This person is claiming that reindeer are part of Christianity.
THAT is concerning.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
think you misunderstand, the author of the letter is not a Christian
so will not understand. He thinks theses things are Christmas along with
Jesus . </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>He just hasn’t separated them that’s all </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>He’s trying to keep Christmas as Christmas</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't misunderstand at all. "trying to keep Christmas as Christmas"?
He's *already*, like most of our country, lost the point of Christmas
entirely. What we should be *sad* about is not lights, but that he and
so many others have <a tabindex="-1"></a>*already* "dropped Christ"</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Lights
don't matter. What matters is whether people choose to truly turn to
Jesus with their whole hearts. That people are so disinterested in
Christ that they think reindeer are part of Christianity demonstrates
the devastating reality that they aren't doing so.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>well he doesn’t understand the difference </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Christians have not separated it either so he’s not alone . My church have a tree and Father Christmas </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>He understands only what the church have told him. <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the amount of people in those group that posted Santa posts at Christmas was overwhelming</span></i></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">And?
I'm not saying that we as individuals should eschew reindeer etc, but
the fact that this writer deems them part of Christianity, and that
removing them is "dropping Christ" shows that he, like so many others,
ignores Jesus. THAT is the issue.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>but he’s not ? His whole letter is to support traditional Christmas and that includes baby Jesus along with other things </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>That’s all he’s saying </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You yourself as a Christian lady can’t separate them so why should he.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry, what do you mean by "You yourself as a Christian lady can’t separate them"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"but
he’s not ?" He absolutely is claiming that reindeer are part of
Christianity, demonstrating by his cluelessness that he has chosen to
ignore Christ.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>you said "I'm not saying that we as individuals should eschew reindeer etc" You can’t separate them and say don’t do them</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Saying
that we don't have to eschew them doesn't mean that I can't separate
them. I both eat food and use a laptop, that doesn't mean that I
thinking eating and using a laptop are the same thing. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">His^ words "Reindeers, Father Christmas and <a tabindex="-1"></a>every
other aspect of the Christianity theme", and "dropping Christ" indicate
that he thinks lights and reindeer ARE parts of Christianity.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>they are</i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Sorry, what? You think fairy lights and reindeer are parts of Christianity???</span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>they are part of Christmas</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">B</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ut AGAIN, the letter refers to them as part of *Christianity*</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">of course he’s not a Christian you can’t expect him to know the difference</span>. </i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>you know the difference (but don’t impose it ) I know the difference but many Christians don’t and most of the world don’t</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ll Christians know the difference. Indeed much of the world doesn't and THAT DEMONSTRATES THE PROBLEM.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
think for a letter in a local paper it is a journalist approach to
drawing attention, the rest of the letter makes it’s point.</i></span></div>I<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ts
point is to attack Labour, and to try to appropriate Christianity -
with phenomenal ignorance - to do so. It's trying to use God for party
politics whilst not even caring about Him, and it's a great example of
using the Lord's name in vain.</span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
don’t see any party politics and shropshire is a blue county . Grace I
think you’re getting too involved it was just a letter to the paper. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The point is the council want to drop Christ from it’s celebration this year which is sad</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">H</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ow
can you not see party politics? He repeatedly mentions Labour. Again,
ceasing to put up lights showing Father Christmas and Reindeer IS NOT
*dropping Christ*, that he refers to them as Christian imagery
demonstrates that he has already dropped Christ himself.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Your missing the point grace. What do you think of the council dropping Christmas ? Just out of interest</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not missing "the point", "the point" is based on fatal ignorance, as I've explained.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
do I think of them "dropping Christmas"? It seems like they're going to
have lights without Father Christmas/reindeer, that doesn't matter in
the <a tabindex="-1"></a>slightest. Our country is increasingly
rejecting God, but this change of lights isn't about that at all, no one
is closer to Jesus because of reindeer. Most of our country has long
embraced that Christmas imagery *whilst* ignoring Christ.</div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>We
have no one but ourselves to blame. When we go to other countries and
rightly so, we have to abide by their religious customs and traditions.
We bent over backwards to meet the needs of people who came into our
country. We took the teachings of Christ out of
school assemblies not to offend other faiths. Now people want to remove
completely Christ out of Christmas. No wonder our country is facing
bankruptcy We can’t remove God and be blessed.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Taking
away reindeer lights is *nothing* to do with removing Christ, rather
linking Christ with reindeer shows that He's already been removed. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Our country is not less Christian because of people coming in with other faiths (and those people <a tabindex="-1"></a>mostly
aren't opposed to our traditions anyway), it's less Christian because
most of the native white British population ignores Christ.</div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
oh my goodness bankruptcy is utterly irrelevant by comparison - God
does NOT give people/countries wealth simply on the basis of following
Him, plenty of evil people are rich, but our country being less rich
(it's still far richer than almost all other countries, actually - we
forget how privileged we are) is of NO importance compared to the
tragedy that most people are rejecting Jesus.</div></div><i>but the big picture is we were once an empire the sun never set on now we can’t even hold the United Kingdom together.This has gone hand in hand with Sunday laws , church attendance and church laws in our land </i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>There is no dispute it’s linked.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> God does allow and prevent wealth of countries it’s all under his control. </span>a good example of this was on a tv programme who do you think you are with Ralph little </i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>His
grandfathers journey brought him to my hometown of chirk in wales . His
G G was a talented football that took him to the top but then the Welsh
revival hit and as a Christian couldn’t play on
Sunday . Ralph was so disappointed and said this is why he’s an atheist
with all the rules . What Ralph missed was the provision God gave his GG
was what made Ralph who is today . His GG married a wealthy family and
eventually owned most of Manchester . </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Ralph would have had a good education and upbringing because his GG loved and trusted God </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It was a good insight</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
no, no. Our country was "an empire the sun never set on" because of
EVIL, UTTERLY UNCHRISTIAN COLONISATION. People from our country invaded
other countries out of GREED, and they brutally enslaved and murdered
other human beings.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of <a tabindex="-1"></a>course
God allows/prevents wealth - but NOT simply on the basis of
righteousness. He allows some evil people to be rich and some people who
follow Him to be poor, His plans are bigger than Earthly riches. A
sportsperson could be successful because they're following God, but
plenty AREN'T, God is not some karma Genie who just doles out rewards
and punishments in this lifetime.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>well I think Ralph’s blessings are from his Grandfather who followed God . His grandfather was blessed . </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>God does bless in many ways so why can’t it include owning half of Manchester ?</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">W</span>hy
would it? And Ralph isn't even following God himself. God has a plan to
use the current situation for His glory, but he doesn't favour Ralph on
the basis of his grandfather and Ralph's wealth does not show that God
favours him.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Being <a tabindex="-1"></a>rich
plainly does not prove that God approves of a person or nation. Most
people in our country are wealthier than most of the people in our world
- but are on course to miss out eternal life. In many other countries,
there is far more poverty yet more people are truly rich in that they
know Jesus.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3nEK-TkGKX5NhKSSgNV5rXSc6zY8G2hbuTRKGVJcGMdXX_zwJxMtBO6vnZ19ySvBnGxP5i_8PWFykI4Vxlny-0vd9_tLnTPhHvhXMR4OPu4ndLWS4sjnDbtKqhJwjywBu51C-4IDY8K4PUI3pN7AElcg0aJdvHY4WAX_54rbn74noMTlF_3FQgw-Z2LY/s540/431195158_970507877766348_631485682532349215_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="540" data-original-width="513" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3nEK-TkGKX5NhKSSgNV5rXSc6zY8G2hbuTRKGVJcGMdXX_zwJxMtBO6vnZ19ySvBnGxP5i_8PWFykI4Vxlny-0vd9_tLnTPhHvhXMR4OPu4ndLWS4sjnDbtKqhJwjywBu51C-4IDY8K4PUI3pN7AElcg0aJdvHY4WAX_54rbn74noMTlF_3FQgw-Z2LY/s320/431195158_970507877766348_631485682532349215_n.jpg" width="304" /></a></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
is actually incorrect, based on the Amnesty report he himself cites.
Abbott gets many, many times more abusive tweets than any other MP -
then the other female MPs in the top 5 for receiving abuse are white.
Racism is absolutely an issue, but IMO accuracy is crucial and the abuse
faced by Abbott specifically shouldn't be diverted from by grouping her
together with Zarah Sultana and Apsana Begum.</span><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1878156/Davina-mccall-comic-relief-lenny-henry-tribute?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1710540244" target="_blank">Davina McCall pays emotional tribute to 'irreplaceable' Lenny Henry on final Comic Relief <br /></a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He
started Comic Relief to help the world's very poorest people, I'm
frustrated that it's now largely not about them. There are people
literally starving to death in parts of Africa, but they're essentially
ignored, despite the fact that we can make a huge difference (ie, each £
can buy many meals)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>this
as been going since 1985 where is the money going because during the
day on tv it’s constant adverts give give give to all these country’s</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
would you think that the amounts given would have *ended* the poverty?
The amounts (of Aid that have been) given are tiny in terms of national
economies. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In fact
significant *progress* has been made - but it's stymied by the fact that
our banks and corporations take far, far more than this from developing
countries than is given in Aid</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/culture/film/cate-blanchett-interview-western-religions-true-faith-doubt-2954881" target="_blank">Cate Blanchett: ‘I’m bewildered by Western religions. True faith is riddled with doubt’ </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Religions"
meaning what exactly? (and why "Western"?) If she means things relating
to the Creator of the Universe, why wouldn't He be somewhat
"bewildering"? But one can read what scholars have written about Him.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2F2024-election%2Fkamala-harris-will-visit-planned-parenthood-rcna143324%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Mc0JyD5IT39gTjJ_wZgbBiuIjxoq4JzFp4CxT2kAB1ic2f3cLWIVkr1I&h=AT1XI5y6QO6mLTy7LfA7OllEsuv4CUtl2ty5xlGgVJNrRLFp5Jju30wys9uTj5YJ0kw7vDvg0OBzXb-Qpc-zhw6GEF11d042ilujPYqQz4RfCKIVZzTuqae8LcUpQ1p3Y5ef&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2t4n7u1Xd3nlLNvVrS1BwMIVC4yx5vfYRzbJvILRCVmGBrPNreJq3PnQFT0wja-nEmmMfDtX6DRxMPGCPsV54bjHxwmS_BV-FYF6z0zpeCM3XOfml1BgGaz1VAoAE0MDdgf61z5ybO74vzbiUkyedkInvJnoXNUR1-GayEAF1V44SgGLE" target="_blank">Democratic Party - Kamala Harris to visit an abortion clinic, a first for a president or vice president </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Honestly
the way you've made abortion your key election point is disturbing. The
Left should care for the vulnerable, not promote individualism over
humanity. I never see you mention helping the world's very poorest
people, you seem to think "social justice" is about enabling people to
do whatever they want.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid0aeUPRRyGjWNqznxF3JjUcRUmPcUkNyD1GHJGXbc8oFirDGePQzFxdMBxQHVxdMtdl?comment_id=2069320646775591" target="_blank">Justin Welby ATTACKED for 'favouring' MUSLIMS despite Islamists 'STARVING' Christians in Africa</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
think you're right. But note that Christianity means following Christ -
it's not a British cultural label, and it entails concern for others,
including in other parts of the world, that this channel plainly
opposes. First and foremost, Jesus came to offer eternal life - each of
us must choose whether to truly repent of our sin and turn to Him - not
political arguments.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">I'm
wondering if any of you have watched The Chosen? If so, what were your
thoughts on it please? I'm just wondering if it's worth watching.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
haven't seen it, but I suspect that it can be either good or bad,
depending the viewer's heart responds. Like other art depicting Jesus,
it could help one to think about Him - but there's a risk that one loves
the image rather than Jesus Himself. On balance I'd personally rather
continue re-reading and exploring actual scripture</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/mar/15/those-friends-people-make-100m-a-year-im-getting-six-cent-cheques-its-not-ok-billy-porter-on-race-recognition-and-the-middle-east?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1710486476" target="_blank">‘Those Friends people make $100m a year! I’m getting six-cent cheques! It’s not OK!’: Billy Porter on race, recognition and the Middle East</a></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
are millions people in our world who are literally starving to death. I
am so sick of people moaning that they personally ought to have more
money on the basis of the wealth of the handful of the richest
individuals. It's so unintelligent and entitled.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Billy
Porter is already stupidly lucky, presumably earning far more than the
vast majority of Westerners for a far more enjoyable and glamorous job.
We should indeed be concerned about racism in our world, but him not
earning what the Friends cast make is not that. What I think Is likely
racism is how little our society talks about, for instance, the nearly 8
million people currently displaced by the war in Sudan.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2F2024-03-10%2Fgood-hearted-pro-palestine-protesters-should-question-extremists-gove-says%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3vRMDC5cxZ8pjgiWRsohK5W0zikJ-Wm3ZPrwZRRICMgK7BZcFBRNTDN1I%23Echobox%3D1710067179&h=AT21xxhSP9P9gOSgcSApqO1XbjdNAL2qR_kT4PUL5bwnhj_ORlYpZt7kgmYedg2KewKRyAxW9qfHFo0lVaLE1o7_EO4yPnj9j_9Gls6ejkwDZ0AxbvlXxrmW_KdDAKi4qDio&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3Uf4ehkf6pBqUFdXQLlB5Byd7gmmgVPeDWuNh7Vo_KTWCyNqF6q507M0IUCbWz9dSr9glqMDiUNGcipLTnOOVnMYI4s0OHHclPYvvLFrqHqzrqWiO4QE3bznQh2ieHanzX9bPk9gHO_KT5c2ERFH6JTackWSZN-4poF80HdBY8AbRN3w" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Gove rejected that the controversial "from the river to the sea" chant is a message of peace</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Everyone
knows that many people see it as calling for extermination of Jewish
people - people using it can claim all they like that that isn't what
they mean, but given that they know how it sounds to so many people,
choosing to use it is plainly deliberately aggressive.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSgMqnnYQaws9U0nSeMWQhhYZ7KaExwFO82reqxSqAMapnZYPHwOm_zrA4nENHnQLk-L47ukFJm2wJxWjBr6eVA4m7qGemNvsnUF2ca3ttWLd7HjiX_ifMV4qzaiOveAVp8ruTtTwSWeidv8HKEgEHuoHvU60SB4SYqgrt64-WRsp5NMEgHRyl6OJjTY0/s640/430133285_907152214790112_6479332922645813940_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="520" data-original-width="640" height="260" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSgMqnnYQaws9U0nSeMWQhhYZ7KaExwFO82reqxSqAMapnZYPHwOm_zrA4nENHnQLk-L47ukFJm2wJxWjBr6eVA4m7qGemNvsnUF2ca3ttWLd7HjiX_ifMV4qzaiOveAVp8ruTtTwSWeidv8HKEgEHuoHvU60SB4SYqgrt64-WRsp5NMEgHRyl6OJjTY0/s320/430133285_907152214790112_6479332922645813940_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Nah.
The Bible records many accounts of people who did stupid things, that
doesn't change the fact that God gave guidance (and He is infinitely
loving and wise). The Bible is a complex collection of different texts,
including history and poetry, not simply an instruction manual.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Why are you going to realize man - and many - over millennia wrote this book!</i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><br /><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm well aware that its books were written by multiple authors in different centuries, I'm not sure what your point is.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Man made god - history confirms no god proof as does science.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span>hat
human beings recorded what God did doesn't prove that God doesn't
exist. Nor does science, in fact science suggests that there is a
Creator (God) <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1OwBEhcjFYmfKM_SXgGmPzb48KmmcSc-guwbuRqG3axWTIXrF6wrElR2E&h=AT2j0YRFYDyZe3nIzT3emjcgcfgE2jc8uLQmR0ePJskDXQp5ZTu3YMFxPmHc0f8KaDwj8-ukauEf1I7NgSWC8SOkvEYaoJp394boeXyqTCinp7etevgrHAnWuCo9jOQeNJMX&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT07ImFWjpfn8uZmarWtJ5DczUz2Tf4H6UPRe5JwvWPHX0EEuI8iASnOEi7mvO6z6pWowc5FLk-QbI5nmxbfLtKJljHvHEWs8FSfTClW9xUN3y90rickDfTp3JwBtA4aeYLvVjuQrnO-8U-fspKhUYjsVTcLWeUlsAU_WhXZbU43B9GdaA" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But I'm not going to spend <a tabindex="-1"></a>longer arguing (and won't revisit this thread). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/posts/pfbid02DqogRpFMBry8rgLuoyuKHTqQEVtvFD3NAFD968v2b5fwU6suEzDVQ9qVPa8WWSj8l?comment_id=2153665288327093" target="_blank">Proud to join the International Women's Day March for Palestine</a></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Internationally,
there are women forced into marriage; to carry water for hours every
day; to labour horrendous hours for a pittance producing things we
buy...we should talk more about them</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.premierunbelievable.com/articles/are-faith-and-feminism-compatible/17327.article" target="_blank">Are faith and feminism compatible? </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
obviously depends on how "feminism" is defined. Personally I think that
identity politics is generally not good, and can become contrary to
Christianity - our identity is in Christ, other attributes shouldn't
matter all that much.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
should oppose injustice and seek to help *human beings* in need (and
there are many women who are seriously disadvantaged) because they're
human beings in need, not on the basis of categories.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Internationally,
there are women forced into marriage; to carry water for hours every
day; to labour horrendous hours for a pittance producing things we
buy...we should talk more about them, less about how many Western women
are CEOs etc</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3ItcbRt%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2W8VtiVQgB8HxjmGxZfRwuE1Knj5SQ3UrCIe6rkWZpl9oNhoIWNm3fv4E&h=AT21jnFIVILD7PWJbP9zXJkmaHvtUqzKrVSnsWJYRGGoCPIukT2J2hkPeCeUD5_W0LHpSmGy94st53WXCwaXzrB6rEBLDbEdIv0r3PMX7yXhzxjgzcY3toYinGN4Y2eHyAr2&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3haMw6jnGUaXyF0PwAb9Wv1HGZDhF-7WiUiEWvkDFMtqv_jtMp9Bsfd3RtQ28TYQnOzVk-xSZS5SXa3NhSsqirwYUKOCXt8KGWOUZ6_3uvjUhL-xadTOmrIQer-UMJK2fEPGpazUr1G2IlRHpGnRWBEQr7KhxUuql-8wC8q_-F2saUUA" target="_blank">India Willoughby’s JK Rowling complaint did not meet criminal threshold, police say</a> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">In
addition to the original debate (and Willoughby being thoroughly
unpleasant to so many people, racist and homophobic) it's truly awful to
waste police time like this. Most victims of rape never see justice
because the criminal justice system is so overstretched.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fthousand-year-old-star-chart-shines-light-on-religious-harmony-qfrmhdmrr%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0o2uSsCJ-g8059HKl85Vd7k2zfebkX6IUPebp7DIU4vrHVRWBUm7oE_W8%23Echobox%3D1709549521&h=AT2Mycz5y4zxWCrlqVvTdFNuGJH0Uv9-_42g2Umlxfk43ISF6r-N08f9fDy-qwS1Ps-LLVvoH9qxlZ__zJZuQPiTWsZzmlRpLI3Tz_tyCD53htcfbDhg4dLUXpXFTpheGs5a&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2AVwyDOh6VyVymQubXCQgSqDBa88NoTJA6avYzE6QyF2OZ58C3Ih7fH5m089wNTOmfgGDOczrevEfeiKPpeYJkCRQHi4DNrcOOjsRF7Hiy9slOnxtVZz4C6Atan-7Zv98X6QS_0BWaVIguAm4_p4CA3tUstJzAGehPvpR_w1IYnGSlDQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">G</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">limpse into how Jewish and Muslim scientists worked with each other in medieval Europe</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
a common misconception that theism is averse to science, in fact
throughout history believers in a Creator have advanced greater
understanding of the universe</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">only because it was the ingrained, commonly held and socially acceptable belief</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"only" what exactly, and on what basis?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>there
were few who would even consider a view which wasn’t at least deistic
only when science actually started moving forward at a pace there was a
realism that religious views had been retarding its growth. Science
moved in its own direction regardless of whether
its results and discoveries proved or disproved god it simply no longer
was a factor. Today it’s become a chasm for many</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That
doesn't actually answer the question. You're instead presenting an
additional claim, "there was a realism that religious views had been
retarding its growth"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I do believe my comment addresses the question such as it is.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>My
only point is that science needed to be unfettered by religion in order
to develop, even beyond the early days of actual execution for heresy
I’m simply relating to a mindset which required
breaking away from in order to achieve the goals we’ve seen ! My claim
is hardly without evidence as the divide between science and
fundamentalist religious views is evident while most theists have needed
to amend doctrine to include scientific advancements to avoid this
dichotomy and of course looking foolish in front of an increasingly
better educated populace</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"most theists have needed to amend doctrine"? Again another assertion, based on...?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"unfettered by religion"? I never mentioned religion.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What "fetters"? As the above story, and the beliefs of many scientists demonstrate, belief in God does not stop science. I personally came to believe in God *because* of science. <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/?fbclid=IwAR03MomZ8Akcer4CCZm9pVFYgFUz4LpMKO8aPHCq9TH1VXbU5YM1HmNZgPg" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The inclusion of religion is due to this being the common form of demonstrating god belief</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Fetters - restrains restricts constrains due to heresy charges </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Scientists
today must balance their personal faith against fact for many this has
proved problematic some aspects are incompatible</i></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
I didn't use the word religion - because it has so many different
meanings and connotations. I was referring to belief in God
specifically. Many fallacies are bourne of illogical associations being
imagined between wholly distinct individuals and institutions.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So,
again, belief in God is not a restraint on science (and I don't know
why you think that "Scientists today must balance their personal faith
against fact"), please see the linked article as it explains this better
than I can.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Many
scientists throughout history have been motivated in part by wishing to
better understand God's creation (knowing more of details of the
universe is not in conflict with God having designed it), and the Bible
tells us to get wisdom. Again, it was science that led me to believe in
God.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>they put Galileo in jail for saying that the earth went round the sun ?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"They"?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>"they" people who believed in a creator .</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">M</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ost of humanity believes in a creator, why blame the actions of the individuals who opposed Galileo on anyone else?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/church-of-england-told-to-build-1bn-slavery-reparations-fund-p5dwvvxtj?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1709568414" target="_blank">Church of England told to build £1bn slavery reparations fund</a> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">History cannot be "righted" nor "repaired".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Present
day racism and inequality need addressing where they exists, and we
need to fight injustice in our wider world - such as severe poverty,
exploitation (inc by our corporations and banks) and modern slavery in
parts of Africa.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I agree. The language of ‘atoning’ here is very odd.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Particularly
given that people alive today weren't the perpetrators nor the victims -
from other public discourse also, it seems as though there's a growing
implicit belief in a vague ancestry based quasi-spirituality.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">To
me it appears insulting to those who were enslaved to suggest that
spending money on other people (ie people alive now) "repairs" in any
way what they endured.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
I'm continually exasperated by how little concern there is for those
people suffering most severely in other parts of our world *now*. There
are some Black people in our world who are literally starving, some who
have to walk for hours to collect water, some who are horrifically
endangered whilst labouring to provide things that we buy - but they're
largely ignored.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/06/rowan-williams-learn-from-bible-honesty-slavery/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1709746856" target="_blank">We should learn from the Bible’s honesty about issues like slavery, says Rowan Williams </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Absolutely.
God commands both that we put others before ourselves, and that we have
humility. We aren't personally responsible for slavery of the past, but
we should be willing to say that our nation was, and to acknowledge
that we (living in our country made wealthy in part from the slave trade
and colonialism) are beneficiaries. And we should be doing more to
address the extreme poverty that exists today in parts of our world that
were ravaged by this history, as well as tackling modern slavery.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/06/rishi-sunaks-rwanda-bill-dealt-house-of-lords-migrants/" target="_blank">Lords inflict more defeats on Sunak’s Rwanda plan </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">There
needs to be more coverage of the fact that the government has been
trying to conceal the 13 reports by the Chief Inspector RE immigration
(finally dumping them in the public domain last week when the
by-election discussion would take up attention) - the Rwanda plan is
ridiculous in itself (however one feels about migration), but it's even
more audacious that the government keeps pushing it and trying to boast
about it whilst they're failing so abysmally to manage the border</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div></div></span></div><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2024%2Fmar%2F06%2Fmormons-hoping-to-build-first-new-temple-in-uk-for-30-years%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1LI7pd6KReaYpXnX_GVU6klvp1inFQFZ713EIFmjUmwqbL8AMC5MUpN0o%23Echobox%3D1709743532&h=AT1GY8Z-VOeTM3UOK5q7-m_TRM7DxptBmqwW5tI9xWXGtWp14pjxgtTko_duNWGkuq9yClqweZ4uXcpzQ7yHAY5CJL4kUTqjcSM7scWiLPm2HGMoLwI2MmbJMIYySJSzy78U&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1TtZUQ0qd_HIABjkit88XFfB8eXIuehYnMQICSMViN-OZLKm0leWRvXE3CBCtLz5SbVl-2oWfyEQQUXjGeijGbSX38hX9367UclMEbUdbXw_Dl3Zb7CRQuKayFaLZu-m_5W1Zr8T62Humfxuh0Q-jocgVaqKfOxazFsacWjRf9zDANaQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints seeking permission to build temple</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The UK is full of old churches which are being deconsecrated and for which no use is found.They can buy a disused church from another denomination.</i></div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's a good idea and I agree - but FTR Mormonism is *not* a denomination of Christianity, it's fundamentally separate</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>The
Mormons regard themselves as Christian. I have just got the Book of
Mormon of the shelf to look. (we have the books for most religions here)</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
know. Lots of people consider themselves Christian in fact, esp in the
US, for cultural reasons (then demonstrate that they actually aren't
*trying to follow Jesus* at all.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But self identification doesn't overrule definitions. Trump <a tabindex="-1"></a>considers himself a genius, it doesn't mean that he is one.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Ultimately Mormons have beliefs wholly different from (and in conflict with) those of Christianity (across denominations).</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
wouldn't disagree with you. Which is why my initial comment was they
are "the wrong sort of Christian" Almost every Christian sect regards
all the other sect as not "proper" Christians. Though I would
categorically state Trump isn't a genius no matter what anyone says.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">In
my experience it varies, but there is quite a lot of unity/ecumenism
between denominations (other than in Ireland of course - but the
tensions there are ultimately tribalism rather than about theology -
clearly those who fight are not striving to emulate Christ, just using
"religion" as an excuse)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiybxBMnxDVH7puCg-C1qGH0UZ4QBzbVdwKwf2g0aNIuMP554DiwRK_3wnrKmJyYg8kWmCuxUBCxx4qY4pl21ZqVFAOdpGp4ElK6NhFzQiyDCG_5eT6qAwWijjt_RUVJAo2uku7wBKGwoDfQXHSWg9dD2aH0R7EjYikFu9ue7Hc3_m_Lhjx12z4kHuIXNE/s817/421720056_786441296858585_7402750208967771718_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="389" data-original-width="817" height="152" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiybxBMnxDVH7puCg-C1qGH0UZ4QBzbVdwKwf2g0aNIuMP554DiwRK_3wnrKmJyYg8kWmCuxUBCxx4qY4pl21ZqVFAOdpGp4ElK6NhFzQiyDCG_5eT6qAwWijjt_RUVJAo2uku7wBKGwoDfQXHSWg9dD2aH0R7EjYikFu9ue7Hc3_m_Lhjx12z4kHuIXNE/s320/421720056_786441296858585_7402750208967771718_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
is fallacious. Rather, each person decides whether they want to be
reunited with God and spend eternity in His presence, because of what
Jesus has done (not "extorting" anything from us) - or not. God isn't
going to force people to live with Him if they choose not to.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB, the concept of "eternal conscious torment" is not Biblical</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/church-of-england-hiring-a-36k-a-year-anti-racism-officer/" target="_blank">Church of England is hiring a £36k-a-year 'anti-racism' officer to 'deconstruct whiteness' <br /></a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Racism
against people of colour must be addressed where it exists, this^ will
not do that. Jesus died for our sin and to make possible eternal life
(heaven) for those who choose to truly turn to Him - I wish the CofE
would focus on sharing t</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">his</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Jesus was brown.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I know, I didn't say otherwise</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">H</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">e’s depicted as white in churches.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ll
over the world, there are depictions of Jesus matching how most local
people look. Personally I' want to make art realistic, but clearly many
people want to feel they can relate as much as possible. And in becoming
human, Jesus chose to relate to us.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>well as an atheist I don’t believe in god, and Jesus was a glorified sales man.</i></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>So your words are wasted on me. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>For those of faith I hope the church manage to change their ways.</i></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">S<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">elling what?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>The idea of a Heavenly Father</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He wasn't profiting, He was executed</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>caught on though didn’t it</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">E</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">xactly. People spread the message about Him, despite deadly persecution, because they'd seen that He'd risen, defeating death.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Stories, he was persecuted because he ‘claimed’ to be the king of Jews.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>No wonder there’s so many wars when there’s always religion at the core of it.</i><br /><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"King
of the Jews" was how his executors referred to Him. The religious
authorities wanted Him dead because He'd claimed to be the way to The
Father and to be able to forgive sin.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not sure why you've brought war up, we were talking about Jesus,
who lived and taught peace. People fight for power and territory, some
would argue that they're fighting on God's side to feel justified but
they'd still be fighting for land etc were there no "religion". And
other people's actions don't change anything about Jesus Himself.</div></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>"Racism
against people of colour must be addressed where it exists,"?... Im
black, any chance you could give any example of where racism exists?....
please....</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
haven't personally observed it in Church, but I don't want to presume
that my knowledge is exhaustive. Racism is a sin blighting humanity, and
in part linked to the function of the amygdala in the brain, so there's
a need to be cautious and tackle it if it arises.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9ate73mQT5T9Cebw1BFPpTby2u8Y4iBGdaE-2Li20YW-dhv9BxNK6GpQgB34VP5lGut3qMY2xrtkQ00SzQP_fjavhBhgYmljjokP1wRdre0cXsit4Rw8YOg8-vKL9-f4_EloeIt16o5TPKHOIJK9WM8D3YoPLYfQ2V7v4fLMovdHyhaYkLXryF-Wzans/s600/431425427_903255805179753_2094732130363165196_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="536" data-original-width="600" height="286" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9ate73mQT5T9Cebw1BFPpTby2u8Y4iBGdaE-2Li20YW-dhv9BxNK6GpQgB34VP5lGut3qMY2xrtkQ00SzQP_fjavhBhgYmljjokP1wRdre0cXsit4Rw8YOg8-vKL9-f4_EloeIt16o5TPKHOIJK9WM8D3YoPLYfQ2V7v4fLMovdHyhaYkLXryF-Wzans/s320/431425427_903255805179753_2094732130363165196_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Strawman.
Science and God are not incompatible at all. And there are many things
within science that imply a Designer (ie God), as scientists, including
Einstein, have acknowledged.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>nah
fam there are things in science that hadn’t been explained yet. That’s
why science is ever evolving and religions just sit on their hands and
say it is what it is….</i></span><br /><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What?
That science continues to earn more detail about the universe and
biological world doesn't render it incompatible with God. Seeing more
detail in a painting doesn't mean that the artist ceases to exist.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>kk well you’ve got a made up “artist” scientists actually exist and correct them selves as science evolves!</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You seem to have missed the analogy.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I don’t believe so but please explain.</i></div></div></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That
the artist is hypothetical is irrelevant because that's how an analogy
works. *Were* you to look at a painting increasingly closely, you'd see
more detail, that wouldn't mean that the artist no longer existed. In
the same way, scientists seeing more detail of the world (and universe)
around us doesn't serve to show that it didn't have a Creator.</span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>well
scientist looking at the world around them don’t assume a creator so
therefore seeing more detail doesn’t discredit a creator that was never
assumed…</i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
*you* assumed that there isn't a creator and argued this on the basis
that science progresses. I responded by explaining why that actually
*doesn't* serve as an argument against God.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>no
*you* assume there is a creator and are arguing that science doesn’t
progress. I explained why that *does* serve as an argument against
blindly following a “sky daddy”</i></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No,
I didn't "assume" God, I concluded that there must be a designer. Some
of my reasoning is mentioned in the article I linked to (from <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/time?__cft__[0]=AZUccHhLPls7vAjRAM4lBVSHKTLC1CGO1rOHPJUlMBBUUHriZrLFpFlNw4U_glOeGPwdM_dwwYEujr42XOJkaWbNY85eXiwcgQcjqlS0mTyBIUDE02QO3YdqAzqra4-kDOD0B7a3bglEWZJbqnB7tL4N&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>TIME</span></span></a>) I don't know why on Earth you think I argued that "science doesn't progress". </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.standard.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fmia-janin-mariano-laura-kuenssberg-bbc-b1142857.html%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0L1dVLyx0lSS5Rr1VsxYxiZ0eI52dRYNvajMj8k8R6dwP9SKs1qtr5o-8%23Echobox%3D1709485158&h=AT1myHzHmK-gHpTPEQqUIJoA7ZgKOiliRwglYXHtRWmaYWtJdDWHTR9GFAatvf6LbiIc9v_VpqKguZbnuDA19jjJxO39NbW9v4mEo1cEwsZDshHEcFAsPEterYxgtMdSX3Mf&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT22K5ABqJVNGTz0FdETuKFm7fcB7NuhYpyD5deGRTlq_UwShzbTawWYVGCrQS27UPDXYxvk6DBP2sp3gXkJm4Qfg_PsIEsLmaqWsgo4Ze_Jh-zQuGoIlpMWn-2GrjOkpF_bPmFvf2z5tHkeSZecNWt5ZT9PIYIXRpcL371yNKRq4HR64A" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.standard.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fmia-janin-mariano-laura-kuenssberg-bbc-b1142857.html%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0L1dVLyx0lSS5Rr1VsxYxiZ0eI52dRYNvajMj8k8R6dwP9SKs1qtr5o-8%23Echobox%3D1709485158&h=AT1myHzHmK-gHpTPEQqUIJoA7ZgKOiliRwglYXHtRWmaYWtJdDWHTR9GFAatvf6LbiIc9v_VpqKguZbnuDA19jjJxO39NbW9v4mEo1cEwsZDshHEcFAsPEterYxgtMdSX3Mf&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT22K5ABqJVNGTz0FdETuKFm7fcB7NuhYpyD5deGRTlq_UwShzbTawWYVGCrQS27UPDXYxvk6DBP2sp3gXkJm4Qfg_PsIEsLmaqWsgo4Ze_Jh-zQuGoIlpMWn-2GrjOkpF_bPmFvf2z5tHkeSZecNWt5ZT9PIYIXRpcL371yNKRq4HR64A" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">14-year-old girl took her own life after being bullied</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When
I was a child, I learned from early as I can remember that one should
treat others as one would like to be treated and aim to put others
first. I feel that horror stories like these might, in part, be because
kids (like these bullies, and others we hear about in the news so often
now) aren't hearing these things(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(I must be getting old)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid0iQX6hA5bbQFWrj4z69dM4pm8rCoXdSsX52kTwdVdnw6NfnsWLox1DjV48ZTWzSnDl?comment_id=745601230882452&reply_comment_id=1871617889941965" target="_blank">Blackout Theatre Nights - <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Americans must stop importing their racial psychodrama into Britain.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Most Americans think this kind of thinking is ridiculous!</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>except the black ones.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">D<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o
you have data on that? Black Americans, like Black Brits or white
Brits, are each individuals with their own minds. I've seen plenty of
Black Americans opposed to things like this^</span> <br /><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>have you? Most see the point of this kind of exercise.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat exercise? You mean seeking relevant evidence rather than making irrational generalisations to suit one's narrative?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>the point of restricting white people into this audience is to replicate the experience of black people historically.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>See how upset you get over white people being excluded?</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
agree that the "blackout night" is mistaken, and that most people share
this view (based on what I've seen). What I was querying was your
comment that insinuated that Black Americans as a group necessarily
support the concept. They'll each have their own
view, but based on polling of Affirmative Action, I suspect that more
Black Americans wouldn't support "blackout nights" than support them.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sycamore-gap-display-northumbria-b2505967.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1709477125" target="_blank">Sycamore Gap tree to go on public display after row </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Our
country's obsession with a tree is depressing. There are serious issues
of human suffering in our world which are essentially ignored, but a
tree gets tonnes of attention</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>it's
heartening that people give a shit enough about our natural world! When
people really don't care about a notable tree then you should start
worrying!</i></span></div></div></span></div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">But it's just one tree. What they're feeling is *sentimentality* because it looks pretty in photos like that^. If people really cared about the natural world it wouldn't be typical to fly annually.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">And it's human beings who ultimately matter (the natural world should be protected solely because of the impact on vulnerable human beings of its destruction). There are human beings in our world dying of starvation - some, in part because climate change has affected harvests - and they're ignored. But there's been a tonne of attention and emotion about a tree.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_TmgW1b3gqgjhdnSBFBc4CEU4EdNHChlq4qATsMf3xOoIAG-RUhz-sPYFcnid3ElXRuHpzn3IF3Bv2NGruqGTIfXAoMXXw3fzNE45551CXueqWI8h8W8ozlsCiLJYz9MrFAehMGd4VCuN6Z7KA1QrakaAat1Z3wmzjvojLFhwm94KgadurntyFj-vFrs/s640/431074742_902155238623143_2921955592854761118_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="507" data-original-width="640" height="254" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_TmgW1b3gqgjhdnSBFBc4CEU4EdNHChlq4qATsMf3xOoIAG-RUhz-sPYFcnid3ElXRuHpzn3IF3Bv2NGruqGTIfXAoMXXw3fzNE45551CXueqWI8h8W8ozlsCiLJYz9MrFAehMGd4VCuN6Z7KA1QrakaAat1Z3wmzjvojLFhwm94KgadurntyFj-vFrs/s320/431074742_902155238623143_2921955592854761118_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
biological illiteracy here is amazing. Eggs bought from a store to eat
are not fertilised, they don't contain a chicken fetus other than in
rare situations when a rooster has somehow gotten in with the hens.
What's eaten is just fluids designed to <a tabindex="-1"></a>support growth.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A
human pregnancy (in a fricking mammal, for goodness sake - we don't lay
eggs) involves a developing human being - who, long before *birth* has
their organs and brain function (as well as a complete human genome)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>really? And tell me, how many organs does a woman have? What do her genomes look like?</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">sking "What do her genomes look like" - really proves my original point.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>You claim to be a follower of God and Jesus, but the Bible says life begins at first breath. So make up your mind hypocrite.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o, it doesn't. Nor does science</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiLgrOS3BlgFBqKPW9w1kyDQJ8ZeQSdxyc_E6Xs_uISTgDsBxUFzCd-Zp4mfJBW7eZx_HciWV1lJTOFg1bRF44H4b9yxrjTPmTVmHN2eZPgpoFZxuaRGyXVOlpqvEnYCNiixXLy_4a_L6f3GsZLczVIyTEAewjAjWNv-ME_Guz0IUZeFWJ4W0B8at0yceY/s228/430476740_10233345929659042_3943529162308298814_n.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="225" data-original-width="228" height="225" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiLgrOS3BlgFBqKPW9w1kyDQJ8ZeQSdxyc_E6Xs_uISTgDsBxUFzCd-Zp4mfJBW7eZx_HciWV1lJTOFg1bRF44H4b9yxrjTPmTVmHN2eZPgpoFZxuaRGyXVOlpqvEnYCNiixXLy_4a_L6f3GsZLczVIyTEAewjAjWNv-ME_Guz0IUZeFWJ4W0B8at0yceY/s1600/430476740_10233345929659042_3943529162308298814_n.jpg" width="228" /></a></div><br /> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
creation story allegorical, and either way, even if the first human
wasn't alive until God breathed into him it wouldn't in any prove that
unborn human is not alive, Adam is specifically the first human being
given life and spirit. God's <a tabindex="-1"></a>breath is plainly not the same breath as a human inhaling and exhaling air.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The Bible absolutely does regard the unborn as alive, as seen when John jumps in his mother's womb.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Lololol,
you're a typical fake Christian. You pick and choose what you want to
believe. And if it's something that goes against your personal beliefs,
then you make up some bullshit to justify it. I hate hypocrites, I'm
done with you.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">H</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ow does my last comment indicate "picking and choosing"?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":R1al9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH2:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/MILKTHECOWPODCAST/posts/pfbid0sLwP8HFMCrckLScJZK5Wu8tJ8TXD1qYYQZXyoCFYHARUvDUQsZZmZEKzCecGpEZol?comment_id=949791190002782&reply_comment_id=1066134094669658" target="_blank">As predicted Russell Brand has converted to Christianity. </a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It was inevitable given his drift towards sanitising the far right. It merges with him being accepted by the American Christian right given the other side of the pond Trump supporters are his biggest ‘audience’ now. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Next stop is endorsing Trump. And so will Rogan and all the other nobby little bellends.</i></div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="x168nmei x13lgxp2 x30kzoy x9jhf4c x6ikm8r x10wlt62" data-visualcompletion="ignore-dynamic"><div><div><div><div class="x1n2onr6"><div class="x6s0dn4 xi81zsa x78zum5 x6prxxf x13a6bvl xvq8zen xdj266r xktsk01 xat24cr x1d52u69 x889kno x4uap5 x1a8lsjc xkhd6sd xdppsyt"><div class="x6s0dn4 x78zum5 x1iyjqo2 x6ikm8r x10wlt62"><span aria-label="See who reacted to this" class="x1ja2u2z" role="toolbar"><span class="x6s0dn4 x78zum5 x1e558r4" id=":R1al9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH5:"><span class="x6zyg47 x1xm1mqw xpn8fn3 xtct9fg x13zp6kq x1mcfq15 xrosliz x1wb7cse x13fuv20 xu3j5b3 x1q0q8m5 x26u7qi xamhcws xol2nv xlxy82 x19p7ews xmix8c7 x139jcc6 x1n2onr6 x1xp8n7a xhtitgo"><span class="x12myldv x1udsgas xrc8dwe xxxhv2y x1rg5ohu xmix8c7 x1xp8n7a"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></span></span></span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span aria-label="See who reacted to this" class="x1ja2u2z" role="toolbar"><span class="x6s0dn4 x78zum5 x1e558r4" id=":R1al9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH5:"><span class="x6zyg47 x1xm1mqw xpn8fn3 xtct9fg x13zp6kq x1mcfq15 xrosliz x1wb7cse x13fuv20 xu3j5b3 x1q0q8m5 x26u7qi xamhcws xol2nv xlxy82 x19p7ews xmix8c7 x139jcc6 x1n2onr6 x1xp8n7a x1vjfegm"><span class="x12myldv x1udsgas xrc8dwe xxxhv2y x1rg5ohu xmix8c7 x1xp8n7a"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></span></span></span></span><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x78zum5 x2lah0s x1qughib x1qjc9v5 xozqiw3 x1q0g3np xykv574 xbmpl8g x4cne27 xifccgj"><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x78zum5 xdt5ytf x2lah0s x193iq5w xeuugli xsyo7zv x16hj40l x10b6aqq x1yrsyyn"></div><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x78zum5 xdt5ytf x2lah0s x193iq5w xeuugli xsyo7zv x16hj40l x10b6aqq x1yrsyyn"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Christianity
is neither Left nor Right wing. And plenty of people who call
themselves Christians aren't (particularly in the US). Trump is
antithetical to Jesus.</span></div><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x78zum5 xdt5ytf x2lah0s x193iq5w xeuugli xsyo7zv x16hj40l x10b6aqq x1yrsyyn"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I’m referring to what moves the needle politically in the United States and increasingly the UK. </div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It’s
all part of the same grubby little milieu. And as for Trump? He is
LOVED by the Christian right, they are one of the reasons he got
elected.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">All
this is more complicated than "the same grubby little milieu".
Ultimately each individual has their own set of views on different
issues (and increasingly people are influenced by their bubbles, or
conspiracy theories, rather than fundamentally differing values), plenty
of people aren't on a one dimensional Left-Right spectrum. And Trump
barely has any views, he'll just adopt whichever position he thinks most
expedient for his own career. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"the
Christian right" - again, particularly in the US, plenty of people who
call themselves Christians aren't. Claiming to be something does not
necessarily make one so, just as Trump calling himself a genius didn't
mean he is one. It's cultural to label themselves as such, but only some
are committed to following Christ. No one following Christ could be a
fanatical Trump supporter.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
Himself spent plenty of time arguing with people who considered
themselves religious but who He could show weren't actually following
God, because of their lack of compassion for others.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1l90r2v x1swvt13" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":R1al9aqqd9emhpapd5aqH2:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fmigration-is-too-high-says-party-in-charge-of-migration-for-14-years%2F%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3SB0ClXvOaIdfYB8QwjQEjACQTLoNHu7nIzPNlSrtQGjAvqE5chcZVWWA%23Echobox%3D1709214825-1&h=AT1YrdyMYe2gQWelslTMlWkISYissYlDh3BTDgU1Lxul4KvJY7bwL0uae6Tvp95VAC9wDFqo3CpMQ7BQJfilFkeriMEuFQi-1PqVVrDlqcwtErXB8r_vNPVIpIgNmxuZK83h&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2_jTtCoF4-ZbeBRGZ4iS-0KzmhxXpEIIyjWTWGkZGO3TNm_kkNXynYeHJUwStmbWV5PL3TJ3W3_X1MG2JE7gbRaOVksun435V2AJ8u3O4lyQ88G1MLn5qajRLyPlK04H0ujsQqpkqiL3p7lrmwQs82CVqpNTBE01DXXv9IrBHJGQCYCA" target="_blank">Migration is too high, says party in charge of migration for 14 years <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od">- K</span>ate Andrews</a></div></div></span></div></div></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Kate Andrews is a migrant</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Yes a legal one, most think immigration is a good thing, but not mass immigration or illegal.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"mass"?
She's one, another and another are eventually a mass. And the vast
majority are legal, many work in essential roles or pay heaps into our
universities.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We should be prioritising those who are real refugees or fleeing serious poverty, <a tabindex="-1"></a>and helping them into jobs where they're needed. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">She doesn't need to be here, nor is she doing essential work. I'm not at all saying she should leave, but she's a hypocrite.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"mass"?
She's one, another and another are eventually a mass. And the vast
majority are legal, many work in essential roles or pay heaps into our
universities.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We should be prioritising those who are real refugees or fleeing serious poverty, <a tabindex="-1"></a>and helping them into jobs where they're needed. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">She doesn't need to be here, nor is she doing essential work. I'm not at all saying she should leave, but she's a hypocrite.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Most
are migrants not refugees, especially all the young men in boats, just
keep on believing what the establishment keep telling you and stay
deluded.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Kate Andrews is a migrant, not a refugee.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't say that most are refugees, I said that we *should* prioritise
refugees - but most migrants come legally and many do jobs that need
doing. <br /></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://theweeflea.com/2024/02/28/islamism-in-britain-part-1-is-there-a-problem-ct/" target="_blank">Islamism in Britain Part 1: Is there a problem?</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Braverman's
and Anderson's comments were wrong. But there's fury even at the word
"Islamism" - why do some people want for there *not* to be a distinction
between ideological extremists and the typical, decent Muslims who are a
positive portion of our society?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>thanks.
As indicated in the article I think that Anderson’s comments were
wrong- but Braverman’s were correct - if somewhat overstated</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's a great article (and it's a relief to see someone else share the frustration I'd been feeling about "Hope Not Hate")</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
reactions to Anderson from politicians and media have really
highlighted how out of touch they are with a chunk of the public. Plenty
of people are anxious, screaming "racism" doesn't help reduce tensions
at all (as you suggested, it'll only lead more people to turn towards
the far Right). Why have journalists not instead asked Anderson to
*explain and back up* his assertions RE Sadiq Khan?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Newsnight
last night had a feature on online extremism, did you see it? The
expert being interviewed used the word "Islamism" well, and I had always
thought it was helpful for clarifying that one isn't referring to
Muslims in general, but the backlash against Anderson appears to oppose
this clarity.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In recent
weeks, in addition to some outrageous placards at pro Palestine
protests, we've heard about another attempted honour killing (by Ezedi);
and disturbingly mobbish behaviour, including bomb threats, at The
Michaela Academy and Barclay Primary school. We should be able to say
both that these things are unacceptable, and also that they're
absolutely not the fault of other Muslims.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
keep hearing about the problem of "divisive language" - but I think
that so many arguments stem from people lumping other people together.
Khan is more pro-LGBT than much of population as whole, as is my Muslim
journalist ex-schoolmate - whatever an observer personally believes
about LGBT topics, plainly Muslims differ almost endlessly from each
other. Plenty of Muslims do a tonne that's incredibly positive (and they
can be more predisposed to charity, avoiding drunkenness etc, than much
of our native population). And I love that they're seeking God, in
contrast to most of our fellow Brits.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Those
people - and I see plenty - who imply that Muslims are effectively the
same as one another are absurdly foolish (and though as you write, Islam
is not a race, I suspect that some people may have race-related biases
connected to their views of Muslims). But for others, in an attempt to
be liberal, to react by themselves effectively lumping all Muslims
together (in reaction to Anderson) is not helpful.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Apologies for my rambling! Thankyou for your work.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've
been wondering why Anderson's comments haven't actually been challenged
-instead of only labelling them wrong or Islamophobic (those who agree
with him aren't bothered by that label), why isn't he challenged to
provide evidence for his claims? What's his proof RE Sadiq Khan?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i>(in Doctors Facebook Group) </i></span></div></span></span></span><div><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":r1q:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So much moaning at the BBC and its other programmes - I'm pretty sure that in reality the problem is the American streamers.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">More and more people are watching Netflix etc instead of British TV, and some are in turn cancelling their TV licences (or never having them in the case of much of Gent Z). So the BBC has a diminishing share of the money spent on viewing. It's trying to stem the tide, and because it's various drama series that get all the attention in media/on social media (Squid Game, White Lotus, Succession and so many more), the BBC decision makers must feel like long running soaps aren't popular enough anymore to justify having several.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">BBC funding has also been reduced, in real terms, by the government. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Blame the death of Doctors on giant US corporations for crushing British media, not Eastenders, The Wheel or Auntie.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>You
have a point but the BBC still spend millions on Eastenders despite the
declining viewer numbers. A few of the big shows that they now do are
done in partnership with some of the big US channels e.g. Doctor Who
with Disney, Good Omens with Amazon so they do try. They didn’t need to cancel Doctors.</i></span> <br /></div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Eastenders
has far more viewers Doctors does, in addition to international viewing
and archive viewing on iPlayer. It sometimes makes headlines, it gets
talked about. Why would they end it?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Are there figures comparing costs for making <a tabindex="-1"></a>programmes?
I'm aware that the Eastenders set has been rebuilt (having been used
since the mid 80s), but it doesn't have the costs Doctors does of
medical consultants and casting for several one off characters for most
episodes.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I don't know why people resent Eastenders so much, it does a lot to raise awareness of issues.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
have said before its more Mrs Brown and "The Wheel" Michael Mcintire is
an expensive waste of time and gets a lot of people upset at his own
show as well. At least the cast of Drs are professional and if the
script allows very believable, as an afternoon program any age group can
watch and follow.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
hate Mrs Brown's Boys too, but it's only on occasionally and has a lot
of viewers. The Wheel also has far more viewers than Doctors
(5.6million) - and quiz shows are often ultimately recycled. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Doctors is not believable at all (apologies <a tabindex="-1"></a>for
being so argumentative, truly!), aside from some of the weird episodes,
GPs and their colleagues absolutely do not have the time to listen to
and resolve patients' personal problems like the characters in the
programme. If my Mum (a recently retired General practice nurse) ever
sees it, she comments on how hilarious, but almost offensive, it is. In
reality healthcare workers are super stressed and forced to hurry from
one patient to the next.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(Again, apologies for being argumentative)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/watch/?comment_id=6929727507154764&v=419428337416369&notif_id=1709052596686644&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif" target="_blank"><span><span>Hamas</span></span> has called out <span><span>US</span></span> for backing <span><span>Israel</span></span>'s offensive in <span><span>Gaza</span></span>.</a></span> <br /></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Who cares what they say?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">because you are from a country who has raised her citizens with other country's health, wealth, manpower and blood,,, sigh!!!</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What? That doesn't change the fact that Hamas are monsters.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
it's not my fault I was born here. None of us are to blame for what
some *other people* did in the past. I'm trying to raise awareness of
the injustices you refer to, <a tabindex="-1"></a>I donate to charities
helping the world's poorest people and contact politicians urging them
to tackle the injustices - what else exactly do you think I should do?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fideas%2Farchive%2F2024%2F02%2Fjesus-tv-show-the-chosen-cw%2F677513%2F%3Futm_campaign%3Dthe-atlantic%26utm_content%3Dtrue-anthem%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR03-1KjMQrklw7b0NAEXnzq3J8O2xnmVrMtpW1h7f34ZZwA47BQG7tPurc&h=AT3ndSfs16BXmB_ZkL6btrfPA76tMgKhSKM_CokvwHNXkPcEE8VlltyfoE4klne_S2le8turpVzoC-V-W9RS3w53lhdX6ijM8qMc5s5npT85fDa48c6EQulJr37cI5W_z1aL&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3Y9eIp04JUWfLRDBFUKdxvcPjaRy8kiPtkjPZoSf1GeYjQ_BErmQ5NOs7QFaOzBQ1J8talSYEPUeeg7hGG28m6ITxMEwHJnnaKx3yoQrpQE2oAeEbVs9H-Nv__PNvN8KxlEQOo2YcRGIVyMuTZnZYUnnymfb3udf8QZlUybdrnLywE0w" target="_blank">I could never have anticipated that 'The Chosen' would enrich my faith</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Cue comments from people who are seriously misinformed about Christianity</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>nice projection… along with a healthy dash of willful ignorance.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's ironic that you'd accuse someone of "wilful ignorance" whilst not knowing what their views are</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>We
only need to look at Trump’s support amongst evangelicals to understand
that we’re not “misinformed”, it’s actually worse than we thought.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why do you think that the behaviour of some people in 21st America is a reliable way to know about Jesus?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(PS your country totally misuses the word "evangelical")</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Were
it only “some” your argument might sound less silly. The vast majority
of Christians I’ve met in the many countries I’ve traveled to portray
less than supposedly “Christlike” ideals with many being downright
righteous, entitled pricks. Why some people think
that some random dude dying a couple thousand years ago, arguably
because of bad choices he made, should have any impact on our lives now
is beyond me. Fortunately as people become more educated, religion (of
every flavor) begins to die out.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">hat doesn't answer the question.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
inevitable that some people will claim to be religious for a sense of
identity or for social reasons, without actually following God. Jesus
spent plenty of time arguing with such people. It <a tabindex="-1"></a>doesn't make sense to judge Jesus on the basis of them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
you think He was just a random dude, you could read more* about the
case for His resurrection, and ponder why His movement spread as it did.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*I
get that you probably don't want to (and it's obviously none of my
business), I used to feel similarly, but it's better to be informed than
to reject things on the basis of presumption.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Honey,
telling an atheist to “read your bible” is cute. How do you think most
atheists in Christendom become atheists—they read your Bible and
applied critical thinking to arrive at the conclusion that this was so
much BS. Born and raised Catholic here, so l know
your bible better than you. I’m glad that your beliefs make you feel
good about yourself or life or whatever, but I’ll take the truth any day
over pretty lies.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Interesting
that you think you know the Bible better than me, you don't know me so
how would you know? And I *didn't* "tell you to read your Bible". Again
you're evidently making presumptions, I wonder how many more your faith <a tabindex="-1"></a>is based on.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/posts/pfbid02Qe1QjD73fpoexwafA6AdsmZu2s2ppTn3RfC8ayhJuXTcp856X5vDQwzEGNeQkgzPl?comment_id=387820623891000&reply_comment_id=356914133835261&notif_id=1708902157363055&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif" target="_blank">“Pro-Life” would actually mean universal healthcare, free school lunches, universal childcare, free college, a Green New Deal and a living wage. Rightwingers aren’t pro-life, they’re pro control. </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If
some people are arguably inconsistent, it doesn't change anything about
abortion. If you cared about the voiceless vulnerable being hurt by the
more powerful, you wouldn't support all abortions. Also, the
normalisation of abortion is very much linked with capitalism.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>you don't see rape victims as being vulnerable???</i></span><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">When did I say that?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>you seem anti abortion. Are you pro-choice?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;">I</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">t's not a binary, I have a more complicated view.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>either you think a woman should be able to have control over her body or you don't. That's binary. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And the answer of "sometimes she should have control" is exactly the same as no control</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"control
over her own body"? Why should she have control over someone else's
body and life? Rape only accounts for around 1% of abortions, in other
cases the woman has already exercised control.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
absolutely isn't binary, because the unborn develops and situations
vary. I wouldn't argue in situations where the pregnancy is extremely
early or there are serious risks - but if you think that non-essential
late term abortion, that is the killing of premature babies, are just a
matter of "choice", I don't know where your humanity went.</div><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/25/lockdown-social-skills-conversation/" target="_blank">Lockdown destroyed our ability to speak to one another </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Speak for yourself (if you can?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Exactly. The
Telegraph has always been opposed to restrictions of any kind,
favouring business over lives, but this stupid article really scrapes
the bottom.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">bsolutely.
Their desperation to keep moaning about lockdown, years on, is really
tragic (and potentially harmful, in its encouragement not to listen to
future health guidance). Ironically, whilst they'll typically promote
personal responsibility, articles like this are blaming the state for
one's personal attributes.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://twitter.com/i/status/1761102075167953197" target="_blank"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;">Conservative MP Lee Anderson tells GB News that he thinks Sadiq Khan has "given our capital city away" to Islamists, who are "his mates".</span><span data-offset-key="8i0r1-0-0"><span data-text="true"> <br /></span></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Muslims
are individuals who vary endlessly. A common and salient point made the
likes of Lee Anderson is that Islamist extremists execute LGBT folk.
But Sadiq Khan is more pro LGBT than the likes of Lee Anderson. Most
Muslims are Muslim by birth, and they each have their own brain. Some
are particularly great members of our society. *Islamists* are indeed an
issue, Sadiq Khan isn't.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"><a href="https://twitter.com/i/status/1760393658157650393" target="_blank">"We’ve been the victims of a stitch up."
Stephen Flynn, the SNP Westminster leader, responds to Commons Gaza vote chaos</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;">"We've been the victims" - aw, diddums.
This affirms the impression I've had, plenty of people - including but not limited to the SNP - are actually ultimately concerned for their own egos. Presumably this is partly about wanting attention and to make out that they're heroic - but also about the narrative of aa small country being oppressed by its neighbour, they want to conjure a (daft) parallell between Palestine and Scotland<br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"><a href="https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/1761088422913995169" target="_blank">This is the bind post-Christian America finds itself in....</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;">I've been pondering for a while how America has its own religion. "The constitution" - as debated by those across the political spectrum - is their holy text, they ritually worship their flag, and "separation of Church and State" is one of their core doctrines.
It doesn't work.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-1qaijid r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" style="text-overflow: unset;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/lee-mack-finally-reveals-bbc-32199633?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1708722914" target="_blank">Lee Mack finally reveals why BBC bosses chose to axe 'boring' Holly Willoughby's show <i><br /></i></a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Holly
Willoughby's show"? Did she have the idea, and put long hours into
actually producing it? No, crew and production staff, earning no where
near what she does and enjoying none of the fame/glamour will have done
that. She was there to look pretty. Why are the tabloids so, so obsessed
with her?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7l33eDWioYQP18IAxgJUBgR3PZ-Hs7IobvxrAQ0-tuZSyPXE-3zB2GvCdk_ffjWM-obvhyphenhyphen7RRiNVA7v1Uxs1Hmpb2b3niodfrSH4Uh1YWNVVfYgN28Uc45ZhkwWcIWT9rahyphenhyphen4bulZ-InK_ojuUixOrRV5YjC5ly1rhjk0MOkOU0yJm06jjpbx6yKImnU/s1043/424861234_10162107444184903_6960027524071236892_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1043" data-original-width="526" height="429" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7l33eDWioYQP18IAxgJUBgR3PZ-Hs7IobvxrAQ0-tuZSyPXE-3zB2GvCdk_ffjWM-obvhyphenhyphen7RRiNVA7v1Uxs1Hmpb2b3niodfrSH4Uh1YWNVVfYgN28Uc45ZhkwWcIWT9rahyphenhyphen4bulZ-InK_ojuUixOrRV5YjC5ly1rhjk0MOkOU0yJm06jjpbx6yKImnU/w216-h429/424861234_10162107444184903_6960027524071236892_n.jpg" width="216" /></a></div></i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Nope. This is prosperity "gospel"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>that’s interesting care to elaborate with scripture about that viewpoint</i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i><br /></i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
taking verses out of context for the purpose of deceiving people into
thinking that God will give us the *Earthly* things we want. He won't.
He offers us deep joy, and eternal life - He absolutely does NOT promise
us material <a tabindex="-1"></a>wealth, nor freedom from affliction in this lifetime. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Many Christians suffer far more than we do, they aren't lacking faith. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">God *uses* supposedly bad things for His Glory and our good, as many verses and amazing Christians testify.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">In
my opinion, declarations are a way to say no more delay to promises,
dreams, and healing that Jesus has already purchased on our behalf at
the cross and is our rightful inheritance in him (Ephesians 1:3). The
beauty of our relationship with God is that he calls us to take action
and collaborate with him in faith (James 2:14-26). We use our tongue to
declare and pray and to stand bold and steadfast against the enemy,
against lack, and anything that dares to roar against the proclamation
as it is in heaven, so it is on earth. We are not called to roll over
and let the enemy lay siege to our life, we are not called to setup camp
in the desert, and we definitely are not called to surrender. We are
called to endure this race, not alone, never alone, but as a family.
Seasons are temporary but can be prolonged. However, we can be like
Caleb and Joshua, standing firm on God’s promises, confidently leading
others into a new place of blessing. We are not called to live in a
place of defeat and decay, we are called to be victorious because Jesus
is victorious and we are destined to reign with him over all of life’s
circumstances.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i></i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"All
praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us
with every SPIRITUAL blessing in the HEAVENLY REALMS because we are
united with Christ." - Ephesians 1:3 is NOT saying that we will have all
of the material or <a tabindex="-1"></a>health related things we might
want, it's saying that we have SPIRITUAL blessings through Jesus - and
many things are awaiting us in heaven, we WON'T have what we want on
Earth.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus does NOT
say that we work with God to attain wealth, health etc. *Lack* is not
the result only of "the enemy", or a lack of faith (this is like the
philosophies other religions, it's virtually the ideology of karma).
People in the poorest parts of the world are not to blame for their
misfortune because they've failed to "declare" something - many of them
are far closer to God than most Westerners. And many will - because they
seek God - eventually (beyond this lifetime) know far greater joy than
our fellow Westerners who enjoy relative wealth but ignore God.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Who
shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or
persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is
written: “For Your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as
sheep to be slaughtered.” Romans 8:35-36</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">James
2:14-26 calls us to deeds - we must help those in need, the passage
isn't in any way saying that we will attain material or health related
aims because we pray. What God wants is that we draw closer and closer
to Him, becoming more as He calls us to be, fleeing sin and telling
others about Him - His will for us is not that we are liking spoilt
toddlers getting everything we want now. And look at the OT - when the
people of God were doing well materially they turned away from God (then
they returned to Him when things were harder) - this is exactly what we
observe in our world today.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
enemy's mission is to separate us from God, not to make us poor or ill.
Our souls are eternal, our Earthly bodies and bank balances aren't. If
anything, the enemy is more likely to distract us from the ultimate good
- eternity with God - by distracting us with Earthly goods.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"It
is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for
someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:25</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
do believe we need to renew our minds though( Romans 12) For some
people declarations help us to focus on a better mindset. Like in Romans
4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things
are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if
there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Many times we can be like the Israelites in the wilderness complaining so that’s where the declarations could come in.</i></div></div></span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">That's Philippians 4:8, not Romans (apologies if I seem argumentative) - indeed we should think about positive things, that doesn't mean that we are promised material blessings. In fact it's important to recognise that God has created much that is "lovely" and "pure" even when our material circumstances are poor - I will NOT have physical abundance (in relation to our society, though we are all wealthy compared to many people elsewhere), as the OP states, but the loveliness of God's creation is something I should think about more often.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
believe that declarations and confessions are biblical in the right
context. When God puts something good into place, the enemy likes to
create a counterfeit version so that God’s people are confused and
therefore, limited. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>We need to get
back to biblical declarations. Some people have rightly grown offended
at the Positive Confessions Movement and have, unfortunately, tossed
away all declarations with it. Declarations are not wrong but what they
are becoming in some circles is definitely wrong. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If
declarations are statements of fact or opinion, then Biblical
Declarations simply speak forth God’s truth. There’s nothing wrong with
that. In fact, it’s essential to our faith. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Blessed
is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in
the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is
in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>PSALM 1:1-2</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
Bible reminds us that it is important to meditate on the “law of the
Lord.” Meditating on something involves thinking about it and speaking
about it. It is important to declare God’s word.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Joshua
1:8 says, This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but
you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do
according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way
prosperous, and then you will have good success.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>We begin to believe what we speak over and over again. If we speak God’s word and believe it, we’re headed for Godly success. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Declarations
partner with God’s word as we speak out his truth. Positive
Confessions, on the other hand, only focuses on an individual’s personal
desires. Honestly, it’s self-centered and selfish. Christianity isn’t
about us getting wealthier and happier, it’s about dying to our flesh
and our desires so that God’s will can be accomplished. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>This
doesn’t mean that God doesn’t want good things for us. He does.
However, he doesn’t want our focus to be on things instead of him. He
gives us good things but not at the expense of the greatest thing – to
know him and to be known by him.</i><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"get back to biblical declarations"? Back when? Jesus never instructed "declarations" like this.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
the Bible plainly contradicts the idea that we will have health and
wealth. The verse from Exodus in the OP is taken way out of context -
God promising not to repeat the plagues that the Egyptians were
afflicted with absolutely doesn't mean that there won't be illness.
Amongst God's people there were plenty facing sickness when Jesus walked
amongst the - neither He nor the Gospel writers suggest that this was
because of a failure to "declare", and Jesus says that the man born
blind was not so because of the actions of either himself or his parents
- but that God could be glorified through Him. Jesus heals people and
commands that they stop sinning, He doesn't tell them they should have
been "declaring". </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Paul
is permanently ill with his thorn in the flesh - "no continual stream of
divine health and wellness" - he asks God to take it away, but God
doesn't, there's no way that "declaring" would fix it. Paul recognises
that God has a reason.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
Joshua tells people to meditate on the law demonstrates that we should
seek God's guidance (also, God's law is a good advice manual for life -
particularly in that setting, food laws etc would have helped reduce
infection, for example) - it doesn't mean that we now can expect
"success in all areas of life".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Genesis
22:17 absolutely does not say that we'll have financial provision, it's
not about finance at all! I could go on. I'm honestly really shocked by
the OP.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed, we
should meditate on God's word as the Psalmist says (no need to mutate,
manipulate and mistranslate them as the OP does). But we know that the
Psalmist also suffers challenges in many areas of life, sometimes even
when he calls out to God - and from these verses, and other scripture,
we learn that God's ways are not our ways</div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
don't believe in using them to declare things into being but some of
these are promises from God (not the perfect health stuff etc, sadly we
don't always get healing on this earth) but some of them help to build
our faith when we remind ourselves of them.</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
the statements in the OP image are not backed up by scripture. Looking
up the verse references, the verses don't at all say what the OP
statements do</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">3 4 7 and 9 are promises to us from God . We are assured of these things as we walk with God</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
take them out of context as the OP image does, rather than quoting the
verses? I think the OP statements risk people expecting things that
aren't actually what God intends. It can lead to, for instance, the
utter fallacies seen in some of the other statements.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
know that God created the universe and that Jesus died for us and rose -
this creates humility, awe, and longing to draw closer to Him - we
don't need to "declare" things for ourselves, as though blessings are a
necessary motivation to walk with God.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">I guess one of my concerns is that it looks to me like someone willing themselves to walk with God by focussing on what they can attain, rather love and gratitude for God Himself. </span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">If I kept reminding myself of what my parents give me/do for me, I think it might indicate that I don't hugely love them themselves. In reality, I don't need to keep telling myself what they give me/do for me, because I really love my parents and want to spend time with them irrespective of what they give/do. How much more can we long to draw close to the God who created the universe and who offers us undeserved salvation? </span><span class="x1xsqp64 xiy17q3 x1o6pynw x19co3pv xdj266r xcwd3tp xat24cr x39eecv x2b8uid" data-testid="emoji" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tfb/1/16/263a.png"); background-size: 16px 16px; cursor: default; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span class="xexx8yu xn5pp95 x18d9i69 x2fxd7x x1yqt14a x1bhl96m">☺️</span></span> <br /></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchtimes.co.uk%2Farticles%2F2024%2F23-february%2Ffeatures%2Ffeatures%2Fyoga-ministry-where-the-mats-form-a-cross%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2j6xfLMWzJGDnnHeJX619pnXIg55hze0m95bRd-5KwSmaC-t604wcs_uw%23Echobox%3D1708679608&h=AT15DxkT63INNMInXaDymiprLXkgrGpSvQsV50UOSxfAg0ZPxyuGkHA5m6DjBPi8c-C3aQ4s9Wz2flP-ET4ai-x4tzCqkjW2_iSlSBBzAsZmhims5yq7p7ciD4w34aeDWGrR&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1PG4sKbUSqi8VFwUZTA74jSpjk9J8avTs_z_EijKbBbSvH4GQFc_TCFoOEQ5DXfdSdINeO_uda3zNpGsTHz-6YusPSxj1jRBgQr-caSPyvmiBGigEmN2U84OOpUf_SMmlp16FrQjOMXCIhJDUUO1ThBS13ynVR7FD863gGO_Jy_Vkmng" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">A Christian minister’s yoga ministry aims to encourage well-being during Lent (ChurchTimes)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> <br /></i></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Good
grief. Yoga is Hindu spiritual practice. No disrespect whatsoever to
Hindus who participate - but it is absolutely not OK for supposedly
Christian ministers or publications to be involved, let alone to promote
it.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>What a bizarre comment!</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> Why?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Principally
because of the denial of free choice. Then there’s the implication of a
fear of dilution of, or conversion from existing belief to another:
would it not be OK from your perspective for a Hindu practitioner to be
influenced by Christian spiritual practices, such as mantra recitation?
Ultimately, the negation of any possibility for cross-influence between
different faiths is what puzzles me, especially as both the teachings
and the exposition of teachings in both the Upanishads and the Gospels
share the same root.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i></i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Criticising
is not "denying free choice". God gives us freedom to choose our
actions, He also commands that some of those potential actions *should*
be avoided.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's not really a matter of "dilution or conversion". Our God is a jealous God. <a tabindex="-1"></a>He
tells us to avoid other spiritualities. What it would be OK for Hindus
to do is up to them (how is "mantra recitation" Christian?) - but our
God commands that we avoid other "gods" and paganism.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
on Earth do you mean by "the same root"??? I genuinely don't see how
that makes any sense, either historically or theologically.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2F3am%2Fcelebrity-news%2Fgallery%2Famanda-holden-alan-carrs-1-32198970%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3bUDI4r91GKg-hojEQXnq10g0agpRVohV8brWVso7fgTTxHzM_MwmkQjs%23Echobox%3D1708723293&h=AT1H45MHGBKzNQi6JfTGuNleqQAiD-nsa4Q719t6c8LGlBvHCA5f3hUErBfxTu0VL_qyXawVhMFLr6CtG2wsSrJd6aAT79PcJ5z6jSaBMls5wVZxXe-wKol9t7HMCwNX9Idu&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3ZMxR9p66_QJx5YAA0FZdLXid49veVgEebUsX-WW1_5FRSItdInDbWVEZrIW5dfcSMNsSSCCtQ5vIwbdcxFui5IvgJbb83HzJuosEcDbalcGL74dNmY0jEoP6vAr0xvpYYY4hnAKAkxMzTm5EBUutRVfNl8hUOaDf-XlhT1cQs-trTag" target="_blank">Profits from the sale will be split between the BBC’s charities Children in Need and Comic Relief</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why?
Comic Relief has already started spending half of its takings in the
UK, why split it again? It's Comic Relief season, Children in Need will
have events later in the year.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/MILKTHECOWPODCAST/posts/pfbid02ENhiBzmMStYdZiQoDVP63A2t2AQW43siGp1M1up2yVXdQfsnk8xE1PGc9T52bV6Yl?comment_id=8070455459638353&reply_comment_id=940895664332753" target="_blank">Shamima Begum loses citizenship appeal</a></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why should other countries have to put up with our criminals?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>She was a kid and pretty much groomed by an older man.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
struggling to see how a 15 year old wouldn't know that one shouldn't
support decapitation. More importantly, the journalist who's got to know
her well doesn't think that she's remorseful *now*.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
most importantly of all, innocent people in Syria are still suffering,
we should have concern for them and not act as though their country is a
place to leave citizens our country has issues with.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">(I didn't argue further with many criticisms I received here - but was struck by how, after I mentioned that concern for *impoverished populations* were most important to me - and of course, the government ha taken her citizenship because of concern for the British *population* - Lefties who supposedly care about humanity were keen to defend an *individual* who chose to support ultimate barbarism)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhuADzIMUpKV16a8p7FXvMtQNzk94N589wlAZtbjk6Ov1EZJkTv0KaRxRzDiU8xt6DUOtoiL59hpSlEjyDjkffD0jAd0qhMqbzcb7ZYBCAVb3OUtBBHPEiLH9ALh1Cso46_fbf19uDuVn7h41Z1s_z5mEDJt2dyG8cW9sNd9xC8Eb6YzD5h8e3bnLn1BoE/s596/425279976_958821658934970_396946009593053520_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="596" data-original-width="526" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhuADzIMUpKV16a8p7FXvMtQNzk94N589wlAZtbjk6Ov1EZJkTv0KaRxRzDiU8xt6DUOtoiL59hpSlEjyDjkffD0jAd0qhMqbzcb7ZYBCAVb3OUtBBHPEiLH9ALh1Cso46_fbf19uDuVn7h41Z1s_z5mEDJt2dyG8cW9sNd9xC8Eb6YzD5h8e3bnLn1BoE/s320/425279976_958821658934970_396946009593053520_n.jpg" width="282" /></a></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">20,000
people in our world die every day of hunger and our society ignores
them (people aren't "saying nothing" about Gaza). Why are they so much
more disposable?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Worst attempt at distraction I’ve seen today.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Y<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ep,
as I've been observing, even for people who presumably think they're
champions of the disadvantaged because they make a lot of noise about
Gaza, the world's poorest people are so unimportant to you that you
refer to deaths from starvation as "distraction"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Sorry
not working. You see Gracie, UNICEF and others have been involved for
years with those people. They are getting some help bless them.
Meanwhile in Gaza………</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Good
grief. You think that the fact *some* Aid reaches *some* people (*some*
is reaching Gaza FYI) means severe poverty doesn't need attention? As
I've just said, 20,000 people - according to the UN, since you've just
mentioned one of its <a tabindex="-1"></a>offshoots - die each DAY
because of hunger. Others die from dirty water and preventable diseases.
How people can claim to care so much about 30k dying in 4 months but
not care about 20k+ dying each day is beyond me.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Oh Gracie you’re doing it again? Who is actually SAYING they don’t care? Hmmm? I’ll wait. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
agree totally with Deedee on this issue, by all means voice your
concerns about famine all over the world, but please don’t use this as a
vehicle to levy uncalled for ad hominem by
suggesting (without grounds) that nobody cares. On top of all that it
is both venal and disgusting to play your whataboutery card setting two
suffering groups of people against one another.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You clearly do have an agenda here, but we won’t be buying into it.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
really don't now which part of this you're struggling with. The OP
claims that the horrors in Gaza have no one saying anything about them.
In fact, politicians, media and social media have been discussing it
relentlessly. Other horrors in our world DO have almost no one talking
about them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, that
you think I must have an "agenda" indicates that Global poverty and
famine are so unimportant to you that you can't fathom someone bringing
them up because they actually care.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fhair-discrimination-school-locs-texas-trial-4a1c3ec2ff85da27ffb2118f9fc55007%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2zx1kzx-86EohRqr8VHpDXOP9lGLIOdl1ZhvjEhLTmVzL9ICsKYPGMlqk&h=AT1DqdS9cGubSRE5Gy6-RLAj5jUMwegZY31m_XMNCzu4ApZrxdjEq-3ZjcFQkIqoetpXLOgVt7-nizZnt0I_pK8571RNnGq3qomgGpUkkZGmavuRZFeuMghFJJ5bklmSIKsL&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1oPuQWboesARgMYNf-k7Fb2zOYNJttPC0PofrVay3mAtLNkz-aIT2OToT3zOfzAfq60-RbvARDUE6EqJOcMvok34RPuoccjWYkB9TTpzGz5q_Fv2Acuu5GLFnJiAfm2L3aCHJ0NG4PpLhuO8t74oz-xi6b5BpeVyvdGkm8jqG5txp1gQ" target="_blank">A Texas school's punishment of a Black student doesn't violate a law banning race-based hair discrimination, judge has ruled</a></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
the frick? Here in Britain there was outrage when a Black student was
told to change her hairstyle - but unlike that case, his^ hair wouldn't
be blocking other student's view of the whiteboard and you guys
generally don't have school uniform (right?) </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of course this^ is race based discrimination, it's outrageous.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i>(Responding to pro-LGBT post in Christian Facebook Group) </i></span></span></span></span></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That we should love others absolutely does not mean endorsing all "actions". God loves us, but that doesn't mean that He endorses our sin. I use the word "actions" because I'm guessing that you're referring to people having gay sex rather than simply having gay orientation(?) <br />"The spiritual person judges all things" (1 Cor 2:15) - so whilst indeed we shouldn't harbour judgemental, hateful sentiments towards people, in accordance with Jesus' teaching not to judge other *people*, we *should* be discerning about *behaviour*. Jesus "came not to judge" (John 3:17), that didn't mean that He didn't make critical comments on some actions and attitudes. Note, different words in the original Biblical texts are all translated to "love" in English, the love that we are shown by God is a self sacrificial love, Agape, and we're called to emulate this - sexual "love", Eros, is not what the Bible is talking about when it says that God is love.<br />Would you be "accepting" of other actions that God - who loves and knows humanity infinitely better than anyone - has prohibited? Does a friend or parent show love to their friend/child by supporting all of their behaviour?<br />Jesus made religious leaders leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more". <br />Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.<br />That Jesus loves and died for humanity is infinitely more important than sex - and we urgently need to tell our world about the infinitely greater love, not buying our culture's lie that sex is necessary for a fulfilled life.<br />This site, by Gay/Same sex attracted people, explains all this better than I can - https://www.livingout.org/resources/articles/18/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i>(in Doctors Facebook Group) <br /></i></span><div><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":re5:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I was thinking, after catching up on Tuesday's episode, about comparisons with the musical I'd seen on Monday*, The Little Big Things. The main character - an aspiring rugby player - has a serious accident. Complications in the subsequent surgery mean that he can't be restored to how he was physically before. He's paralysed from the shoulders down. The people who live him struggle to cope and sometimes feel guilty.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">His physio - who was also left in a wheelchair by an accident <span><a tabindex="-1"></a></span>- helps him to focus on what he can do rather than what he can't, and he becomes an artist holding a paintbrush in his mouth. We also see how he has appreciation for small things, like green grass and each of the little things that his family does. Both he and his physio ultimately don't regret that their accidents happened, because of the positive things that ultimately happened in their lives which wouldn't have happened otherwise. It's a true story.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm privileged to be relatively able bodied, so I can't apologise enough for seeming patronising or as though I'm disregarding the suffering of those who experience monumental challenges like paralysis or amputation (and obviously the way that the character in Tuesday's episode felt was wholly natural) - I just felt compelled to write that believe so passionately that horrific things in life can lead to unforseen great things. If everything were perfect, we wouldn't be able to appreciate anything. Even if folk with disabilities aren't able to achieve things (though many do), they're so priceless as human beings, and humanity would be diminished without them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Things in my life have been totally messed up by a different health issue, but vitally important things came about because of it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Hugest apologies again if I seem patronising, and for rambling incoherently <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😂" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/td0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*(I never normally go to any concerts, shows, films etc, but was made to by family - and it's a brilliant musical)</div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/food/worlds-oldest-and-unchanged-brand-finally-removes-rotting-lion-from-logo-422789" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">World’s ‘oldest and unchanged’ brand finally removes rotting lion from logo <i><br /></i></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
is depressing. Whilst packaging is trivial in itself, this change is
indicative of the foundation of our society being abandoned (I know that
sounds stupidly overdramatic if you aren't informed about the history)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you’re
doing is being overdramatic about nothing, because this is what all
companies do eventually. The logo would likely change again if it’s
still around in another 150 years</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No,
you just aren't aware of what I'm referring to. Which is somewhat
ironic in itself. And since you don't want people being overdramatic,
perhaps it's not necessary for you to argue with me like this(?)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i><br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/nowthis/posts/pfbid032PDoqCm9cW7fyA2L7yr5UDDRCuv7b9gp6BcptiA66Ev2f1Z76bJZXh5S7Dag47cl?comment_id=726732392630680" target="_blank">(Clip praising WAP as Black women recliming their voices)</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
think that Black voices being heard means rapping about genitals? I
think that's pretty offensive to Black people. There are so many amazing
Black artists/writers/speakers with wise things to say.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid0w3e7w92A9JUo6ypAE3UWmnzh8zVnX3YohXMb3LFBLuACSBoA5EvEBNRX2TRSE2Jpl?comment_id=930849648242828" target="_blank">Palestine Westminster rally: 'MP's CONCERNED for safety' as 'SCARY' protest gathers numbers <i><br /></i></a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
really concerned for the Palestinian people themselves, but some of the
attitudes and behaviour from some of the pro-Palestinian brigade here
are not helpful.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> <br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WorkingFamilies/posts/pfbid02nwi2pbrg6jU64MPk3k76eKs3K7xJKxUTKXyGNbWSkZmF18LxkaDeaNugvPysHYzsl?comment_id=903518297987541" target="_blank">TODAY: 21 Starbucks stores filed to unionize at once. This is the largest filing in the union’s history. Solidarity! </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Can we also talk about how the corporation needs to end horrific exploitation of the workers in poorer countries providing tea, coffee and cocoa?<br />PS if one skips a Starbucks beverage, one can save enough money to provide multiple meals for one of the world's poorest people ☺️ <i><br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Finews-lifestyle%2Fmoney%2Fproperty-and-mortgages%2F90-year-old-save-on-rent-2905999%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2MEJZhvs7-_a1wyo1hkDyIJLtvAd15ohHJWMww6gm2Xhzw3s3truuc1Go&h=AT3Cky68asIbb5JKUYOJkVwAP7ofCzqa0XCiOugyibhIRZqlVRYcQGUN0YzJ1nxIo_pMzcU0abZXj7w_vGhEHq_rnSTltQMBR1jRcewi23VP7sn_vuxonZm69zu-DJAjrMSN-u7TQzJEnQ0&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT1YmgiIvfvs9twf1fmIdS8cKtuR6bMx2Sf21zamrlncb_oor3uj7TlHYkSS5RyGth-4sAgvJc3SiUMjGnBtZ6bvnVQ2HdNbKI145UDtOF4FfIWByZygUqeSQFmLocvM51SrTdtMuD-T_U8JJJlPwkAzHegcwoQWSLxZjOfGMMRbclLlJg" target="_blank">I’m 31 and moved in with a 90 year old to save on rent – now we’re friends </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">YES.
I've been thinking for ages that there needs to be more of this, given
the housing situation, the loneliness crisis, the need to pass wisdom
(Inc RE tech) between generations, the risks to some of the elderly of
being isolated (falls, scammers), the energy cost and carbon footprint
of people living separately etc. Rather than only claiming they'll build
more houses, the government should be actively supporting
intergenerational living by helping people find matches and providing
safety checks (DBS etc), and relevant training or advice.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Flifeandstyle%2F2024%2Ffeb%2F20%2Fim-70-and-have-never-been-able-to-bring-myself-to-orgasm%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0aCKAI2_Nx4pN1WLg8DMQiUSv8c9UWGnXgDJN5d9d5F7g0o8Eo4agtvzI%23Echobox%3D1708437076&h=AT2tPMddzFqkwO8prr2l6vBDMJijI13mU5nsimAxQ7hm5xh7TcXPNpjn9HvgxvgF0ogWnsFiUzWrvy-WnO_gp3Z-VWba2k0YBtQA5nQHmYCY9sD0wgqttGbFr15xRqgR6kGi&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT37Zgoy2o_DIX6yfh_uxuzueMZmrWVkIyX1LCTjZR7R3fb9ncHvmRSQJ_a6ZC15LLzGZTSigetCVkVcSRnsDLTspKulezwMZFMoy6usEDaY8xjV9AW__LmmMwX5tqg95sz-VTIgh28hmo0TByOu0Oj3V134RRO29IQJNs5KlpBKUQeHVA" target="_blank">"I am able to climax during intercourse – but touching myself does not bring satisfaction, which perplexes me"<i><br /></i></a></span></div>For frick's sake Guardian, this is embarrassing attention seeking. Orgasms are not important. When did you last share coverage of the most severe humanitarian crises outside of Gaza from your main pages?</div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ThisMorning/posts/pfbid02x5GXUaCwbmM1Dbttvr7v6pwxqQ5Q7EKuRGaPnsjUpx83mH7takpdxbCGkDbAcok9l?comment_id=8033825653301003" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Would you live on Mars for a year? It seems Nick Ferrari isn't quite over the moon about the idea!</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> <br /></i></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Earth
is well designed for human life, with endless specific details (and
interconnected biological systems) that we benefit from. Being on Mars
would be grim.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/oasisuk/posts/pfbid02hqRQhzuDGhycCBi6X18CK9zbVF9KsFJfLBEBLg7BmciNcuequuxMKjyc5zr9eUWZl?comment_id=943545224441243" target="_blank">DONATE £3.66, the cost of a meal deal </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Meal Deals are ridiculous. One could have a sandwich, snack and drink using unbranded supermarket groceries and have enough left over to fund multiple meals for the world's very poorest people (outside of the UK) <i><br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i>In the past 4,000 years Religion has promised a Second Life. In the past 100 years Science has doubled Life Expectancy.<br />Religion makes empty promises. Science delivers.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This post is so illogical </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Nobody
would say that splitting the Atom necessitates killing millions of
people in a Nuclear Holocaust. In Kant's words it is not a Categorical
Imperative. But if you take the instructions in the Quran the Bible and
the Torah you will be blessed with certainty about
what is to be done. Killing Apostates, stoning women, an eye for an eye
etc. Science is Value Neutral and Religion is Judgement Bound.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry, what?* That doesn't explain the OP at all, it adds more fallacies.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"An
eye for an eye" was not an instruction to enact retribution, but to
restrict it to being equal rather than more severe than the original
offence. Then Jesus says “You have heard that it
was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not
resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to
them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your
shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one
mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not
turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (He also saves a
woman from being stoned, and obviously never suggests "killing apostates
- I presume you were only referring to Islam, but don't lump different
belief systems together, they're fundamentally distinct). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No
one is suggesting disregarding science. Serious Strawman and false
dichotomy. Why suggest it? Science just means understanding what the
creator related in greater detail, plenty of scientists are theists. I
came to believe in God's existence because of science.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note, BTW, science doesn't say that one shouldn't bomb/stone other people.</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">so
you are an atheist in respect of Allah. You think killing Apostates is
wrong ? So you do understand that most religions are wrong ? Scientists
read lots of books and don't consider them wrong just incomplete. The
religious read one book ( in your case the Bible) and think you have the answer to Life The universe and Everything</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><br /><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Allah
is a serious misinterpretation of the Creator, what's your point? It's
wholly illogical to assert that because a person doesn't believe in all
ideas about gods, they shouldn't believe in any God.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't know what point you think the fact that science keeps
understanding more about the universe proves. A person could tell you
the most important things about themselves, you could go on learning
more about physics, chemistry and biology and it wouldn't render what
the person told you about themselves incorrect. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
are you throwing these disparate debunked New Atheism fallacies around a
Politics group? I don't mean that in a critical/argumentative way, I'm
genuinely wondering why. (These points can all be easily answered if you
look, so if you want an informed view, why not do so and consider for
yourself what theistic scholars say?)<br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">You could read https://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">https://www.bethinking.org/does-science-disprove-god/has-science-disproved-god#TheFineTuningArgument</span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">wow.
What utter nonsense and arrogance. Because you don't understand
something you invent something. Like we used to believe that Atlas was
holding the Earth on his shoulders otherwise we would fall. Can't
believe anyone would get comfort or sustenance from saying God did it. Mindless.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry,
what? I haven't "invented something" because I "don't understand
something", ironically you've ignored or *not understood* what I've
written, nor the natures of science and theism, so you've *invented*
"nonsense" about my thinking. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
your comment RE Atlas and God demonstrate that you've very much
misunderstood theism, seriously why are you choosing to regurgitate NA
fallacies and not to actually look at what theistic academics say?
(obviously you might not agree with their conclusions, but you could
have a view that's informed)</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've
read the rubbish you posted and it's utterly amazing it's just theists
with the God of the Gaps nonsense. You don't need a WHY just live with
it.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I've
read the rubbish you posted and it's utterly amazing it's just theists
with the God of the Gaps nonsense. You don't need a WHY just live with
it.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
can cry "rubbish" and "nonsense" all you like, you've not
addressed/rebutted anything I've written - and again you're
demonstrating that you don't understand by randomly throwing up the God
of the Gaps allegation when it's not connected to the thread so far. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with this thread(?)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>but
the first link was exactly saying we agree with evolution and the big
bang but we don't know why or how. Join the club nobody knows but we
don't get on our hands and knees.</i></span></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's
a misinterpretation of part of what one of the 2 links says, ignoring a
crucial point of the article, as well as the other article and what
I've written. And again, your comment on "hands and knees" suggests
theists oppose <a tabindex="-1"></a>science, we don't. </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj0HqqXi_61BAccup7ULuqh2Y5ZqDDtsYlRy_GjFnKCcjcn-5rtzOEgPRsR200NFs_zdMTka4Ft9MF2_yTQzQ2BnIq-396pfFgWBUN96OcwY6o9JqvDjSTv24Nn9c0vyUwlAv4_lmhN6rLUdG7L9I2JqhfBHalw9C6Ynjud0x28tC8n6qiJ2nx0ZGt2LSQ/s640/426336257_816394127197861_8852469977303538652_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="506" data-original-width="640" height="253" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj0HqqXi_61BAccup7ULuqh2Y5ZqDDtsYlRy_GjFnKCcjcn-5rtzOEgPRsR200NFs_zdMTka4Ft9MF2_yTQzQ2BnIq-396pfFgWBUN96OcwY6o9JqvDjSTv24Nn9c0vyUwlAv4_lmhN6rLUdG7L9I2JqhfBHalw9C6Ynjud0x28tC8n6qiJ2nx0ZGt2LSQ/s320/426336257_816394127197861_8852469977303538652_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He cut Overseas Aid, ending what is incredibly low cost nutrition for people who are literally starving to death</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>send your money to those people then, the taxpayers expect the taxes they pay be spent on the taxpayers.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
do. But much of the money in our economy is the result of taking from
elsewhere, and in addition to centuries of colonialism, there's far more
wealth coming to the developed world from the developing world than is
given in Aid <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://gfintegrity.org/press-release/new-report-on-unrecorded-capital-flight-finds-developing-countries-are-net-creditors-to-the-rest-of-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR1c8V_mar4Pko_XzfBkDMUD12AoEhDkdwuvAxLFdnv04sUlaTIeOlTK_hE" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://gfintegrity.org/.../new-report-on-unrecorded.../</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
case you weren't aware, children living in famine zones are just as
human as British children, they don't deserve to starve (and they can be
fed for a fraction of the cost)</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Colonialism
for the most part was mutually beneficial, my conscience is clear on
that and proud that Britain built so many countries, so much
infrastructure and spread common law, human rights, and inspired or
built every democracy in the world today, freedom of navigation, international trade etc.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Its been decades now those places are nolonger our responsibility, the people there should take some responsibility themselves.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
British colonisers has some things built doesn't change the fact that
they took £trillions in wealth, that was the point of the infrastructure
they initiated. That decades have passed doesn't change the fact that
our country's got a tonne of their wealth, and was made rich by taking.
Colonialism also left the instability that continues to blight
populations. And see the article, WE TAKE FAR. FAR MORE THAN WE GIVE IN
AID.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">More to say but I'm
not going to waste any more time here, that you're not capable
understanding people elsewhere shouldn't starve to death says a lot.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=769721061692645&set=a.636708701660549&__cft__[0]=AZX0zVgFeljWp4aEZ5-ZNA_MEvFcxqDzwHfK-op5VAGWx9Vt2tQkFmupP2NwxHAUKblDf2HhRgKzcNTT2Zm0Oo8zECx4gDJVe9pDt5WiJSXY72rEJFYYlUF2prRFnNgQoakcuwG4q9SzfgvpzNqaehGS&__tn__=EH-R" target="_blank">The Home Office is planning to pour taxpayer’s money into TikTok campaigns, according to The Times, by getting influencers to post videos that discourage people from illegally migrating to the UK.</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Good.
I've been wondering for ages why this wasn't being done. Some people
who come are fleeing war, but some are coming because they've been duped
into thinking that the streets are paved with gold. They should be told
that it's not worth coming.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I guess Vice wants more people to drown.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><u><span style="color: #3d85c6;">This is a Christian country!' Gospel preacher speaks out as he's threatened with arrest for 'hate crime' for singing hymns <br /></span></u></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
country has been significantly shaped by Jesus's teachings, but most
people now ignore Him, and aren't even aware of the reasons for
believing in Him. Kudos to the preacher.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If the UK has been "shaped" by Jesus he must be one hell of a twisted bastard.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">S</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o much irony in that comment. Go ahead and explain.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Are
you seriously suggesting that all this hatred and lack of charity
preached by Farage and his followers is in line with the teachings of
Christ? How many have actually read this article and found out the
truth, that the Police were following up on a
complaint lodged by a member of the public, and found nothing wrong. So
what does this "preacher" think not baring false witness really means?
There are people on these pages to would like to see people executed
despite being found innocent, who advocate drowing people in the sea,
who call for asylum seekers to be allowed to starve to death in the
streets. This is NOT a Christian country in thought and deed.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Are
you seriously suggesting that all this hatred and lack of charity
preached by Farage and his followers is in line with the teachings of
Christ?" no, not at all. I didn't say that in the slightest. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
the fact that so many of us know Farage is wrong (along with his fans
on these pages) is in no small part due to Jesus' teachings having
shaped our worldview, prior to His teaching that we should love our
neighbours from elsewhere tribalism was deemed correct.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">("baring false witness"? He isn't, he explains, in the interview, what happened to him)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"This
is NOT a Christian country" I didn't say that it is (though I think
some people use the phrase to refer to heritage, or to not being
dominated by a different religion), read my comment again.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fbob-geldof-live-aid-white-saviour-just-for-one-day-jc7zhrr2g%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR125vt0nh3DybI-tXL85KunFsBolB2edd1Pn4mZcvxnY4l5LLxgihplsiA%23Echobox%3D1708029404&h=AT2S8Gq6nI0qCmP4Wq5SyAn-FbD3YseCifTRx-VoV04LlYIaY9Dce9mGegX3XwDNpIB7J-_cyXSOSNmWC-mUwRXkiHV14iNJ4vfR1Yz7JESFe4H9ZlMWb8LV5Cr47mHkw7cp&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT17GAczZ2u-h-PuIYaF0ewKF8fijOxgaT0tH4MFa_bwEfxt27dHuCn7NSMU6sDTgA_yzIe_cZYIiZ-gMoeYRm25f-H3Q6unMJIyW_0_QMTnkvQLT-Mfq6zgYHVINqJpkS35apE9A0Bn41PUVYwmBMkXpySyHx3aHyOVnhp1qIO99FSh1g" target="_blank">Bob Geldof has defended himself against “white saviour” claims</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
irony of people attacking people like him for being "white saviours" is
that they're presuming they know best what starving people elsewhere
want. *They* are the ones who are patronising and infantilising the
vulnerable to boost their own egos. What right do such people have to
deny that famine victims should receive help if it's offered by some
white people? How do those making the accusations think those in extreme
need feel, why should they get to decide whether Aid is given and
received?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed Geldof
and others aren't "saviours", helping the world's poorest people is
simply the right thing to do - perhaps those making "white saviour"
accusations are just projecting RE their own tendencies to pride, or to
justify in their own minds that they're too selfish to help.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>To
be honest, I’m totally lost about who’s who and whats what. At nearly
59 i suppose I better get with the times. Please explain GLTBUVA or
something like that</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
think that, to some extent, it's overhyped - most people are just
straight, some are gay (quite a few are actually slightly flexible,
according to surveys), the very few who are something you aren't
familiar with get a lot of media coverage <a tabindex="-1"></a>because the media knows it'll sell.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's most often LGBT, LGBTQ or LGBTQ+, but thee's a VERY big rift between some LGB folk and those who support the TQ+.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans*, Queer </div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Trans
means feeling that one is actually of the opposite sex/gender from
one's biology (often "sex" is used to refer to biology, and "gender" to
one's "identity" - but some trans folk claim that they have transitioned
their sex), or that one is more comfortable appearing that way. Their
views, and the procedures they have, vary significantly. I follow a few
Trans folk on Twitter, and they spend their time arguing against much of
the current trans movement, which they feel has become absurd and a
problem for children. There's also Non binary, whereby a person
identifies as neither wholly male nor female (and uses they/them
pronouns - famous examples being Sam Smith and Emma Corrin)</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Queer,
so far as I'm aware, essentially means any of the other letters. Ie,
some Gay people call themselves Queer as well as calling themselves Gay
etc. Some people like the word, but some resent it and want only to be
referred to as the single letter they are. (sidenote, my Grandmother
once referred to my sister as "queer" because she's vegan and we still
laugh about it)</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The +, or other letters are rare, sometimes there's:</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Intersex
(a variety of rare genetic conditions that mean a person is
*biologically* not wholly male or female - this is different from being
Non binary", whereby a person *feels/identifies* as not wholly male or
female)</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">P
can be included for Polyamory *or* Pansexual, but they're different.
Poly means having multiple partners, sometimes all with each other (a
throuple etc) though not necessarily (in Neighbours, 2 men decided to
both be boyfriends to one woman, and called it V shaped Polyamory).
Pansexual, honestly, seems to essentially mean the same as Bisexual, Pan
means all so they're attracted to all genders (sometimes they say that
they're "attracted to the person rather than the gender"), and everyone
else makes jokes about kitchenware <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🍳" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/te7/1/16/1f373.png" width="16" /></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A
can be included for Ally (someone who's straight but very keen on
supporting the others) or Asexual. Asexual is confusing to me, because
dictionaries define it as "without sex" (not a new word), but the new
movement wants to define it as having no sexual attraction, and
sometimes it gets broken down into further categories including simply
having less sexual attraction than some other people. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sometimes
across the pond, 2S is included for 2 Spirit, a native American concept
whereby a person thinks they have a male and female spirit. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
are some other "identities", which have flags, but I'm pretty sure
they're ridiculously rare. Supposedly some people identify as Agender
(neither male or female yet somehow different from Non binary),
Polygender or Genderfluid; some as Pups (dressing as dogs for sexual
gratification) or Bears (gay men who have lots of hair), or something
else I don't think I should mention - but many LGB folk are opposed to
all of this.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
was told by a Gay friend that I'm part of the Queer community myself,
since I don't have sex (never have, never will) and am therefore
Asexual, but I don't fit the new definition since I can feel sexual
attraction (I'm just too disgusted by sex itself to ever want to act on
it) - and I don't feel the need to be part of the movement/community. My
personal *beliefs* are that God designed sex to be restricted to
heterosexual marriage, but that is in no way a judgement on everyone
else who disagrees, I know that most people would think I'm mad <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> Apologies if I've offended anyone.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I think I’m going to start identifying as a kettle!</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
know that topic isn't everyone's cup of tea (including mine), and
there's a lot of hot air - but as I wrote, it's overhyped by the media
for attention, sex sells, very few people actually identify as anything
you aren't familiar with. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Personally
I reckon it might be best for all of us to focus more on the fact that
everyone is an individual (for instance, as I wrote, the trans folk I
know are in disagreement with other trans folk, so one shouldn't lump
all LGBT+ people together, let alone imagine they'd behave like Joel),
but that we have all have things in common as human beings</div> </div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/07/nestle-decides-to-take-away-our-breakaway-and-end-production?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1707320411" target="_blank">Nestlé decides to take away our Breakaway and end production </a></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
nice how discussion about favourite branded snacks unites us as a
nation. But I wish there could also be discussion and media coverage RE
the exploitation in product supply chains. There's more upset over
certain chocolate products being <a tabindex="-1"></a>discontinued or
altered than over corporations grossly mistreating and underpaying cocoa
labourers (some of whom are enslaved children).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
certainly not objecting to taking biscuits irrationally seriously, but I
wish our media would report on things that really matter more often.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/sunak-criticised-over-transgender-remark-as-murdered-teenagers-mother-watches-368273/" target="_blank">Sunak criticised over transgender remark as murdered teenager’s mother watches </a><br /></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">He's
right that Starmer shouldn't have wavered previously on what a woman is
- but he's only raising the issue out of desperation because he's so
behind in the polls. And his lack of empathy (or his stupidity) given
Esther Ghey's presence is an outrage. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Esther
Ghey is amazing - and IMO combatants in the gender wars perhaps should
be using the tragedy of the murder of Brianna to point score, esp given
Esther's comments on Laura K's programme.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB
if Sunak cared about women and girls, he wouldn't have doomed countless
females to child marriage by cutting the Overseas Aid budget.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.womanalive.co.uk/the-satanic-temple-is-gaining-public-support-by-supporting-women-facing-unwanted-pregnancies/17154.article" target="_blank">The Satanic Temple is gaining public support by supporting women facing unwanted pregnancies </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Supporting"? Really?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>yes, really. Supporting them, maybe we should follow their example.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">H<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ow (are they)?</span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>by
supporting women in need making difficult decisions, the sort of things
the church should be doing instead of judging them, trying to control
them and trying to guilt trip them into changing their minds.</i></span></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">N</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o, I asked how. "By supporting" is not an answer to "how are they [supporting]?"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>they
are being supporting by offering women proper information about
abortion rather than trying to force them into following a specific
religious view.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">According
to what source? The article doesn't say anything about "proper
information". And information isn't particularly significant support, I
know Churches that provide nappies, parenting classes, baby clothes etc.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What it does say, as <a tabindex="-1"></a>I'd
read previously (in a Cosmo article) is that they provide "instructions
on performing a ritual where women can worship their right to choose" -
that is absolutely a "religious view". (FTR, the arguments most often
made by pro-lifers *are* information, not religious - it not "religious"
that the unborn is human)</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>it
is good that some churches provide nappies, parenting classes, baby
clothes etc. that isn't always what is needed, sometimes women need
support as they choose to have an abortion and undergo that, they don't
always get that support from the church, when they should.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It
is often religious to call the unborn human. For example most abortions
are carried out within the first 8-10 weeks, at this point no medical
practitioner or scientist would call the foetus "a human being". That is
a title given by those trying to use emotional blackmail.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Y</span>ou still haven't answered the question. How do they "support"?<div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What "support" are you claiming Churches should and don't offer? </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It <a tabindex="-1"></a>seems you think that "support" just means propping up what a person is saying they'd like. It isn't.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
it's not "religious" to call the unborn human, it's just reality. You
know it is. It's plainly unscientific to deny that they're human.
Whether or not one uses the phrase "a human being", which I didn't, is
essentially semantics, there's not a definitive meaning for "being", but
they "are" human. Personally, I wouldn't argue (though I also wouldn't
agree) with an abortion before 8 weeks, and I'm well aware that *most*
abortions are early - but TST is absolutely not making a distinction,
they and others also support the killing of what are essentially
premature babies.</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I've made myself as clear as I can.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Supporting
a person is accepting they make their own decisions, especially around a
grey area like abortion, rather than be guilt tripped into making a
decision that they feel is wrong for them.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It isn't
reality, now matter how many times you say it is. An eight week old
foetus isn't a human being. It isn't sentient and doesn't have a brain
or a heart for example.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
church should be offering more support to women who choose to have
abortions, more often than not we just see them judging, gaslighting and
guilt tripping them.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"I've made myself as clear as I can." - so you can't? Why did you start the argument?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
"supporting" can mean propping up *stated* beliefs/actions, but it can
also mean actually actively helping someone for their good to achieve a <a tabindex="-1"></a>*positive
outcome*. The statement "helping women" implies the latter more than
the former, either way your issue is that you conflate the two and
imagining that agreeing is the same as having a positive impact. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Agreeing
with what someone *says* they want is by no means necessarily the most
helpful thing to do in a situation. If I tell people at my Church I want
to kill myself, they could hypothetically facilitate my doing so, but
that would not be supporting me and it wouldn't be a positive outcome.
And how do you think they should "accept I make my own decisions" if I
tell them I want "support" to commit crime? Should they provide the
means for doing so like the TST does with abortion?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Facilitating is not necessarily positive, so why exactly "should the Church be offering" it?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Throughout
the Bible, there are instances whereby what a person wants is not
actually the same as God's best plan. Jesus doesn't tell us to agree
with everyone, He tells us to *love* them, and that's not the same
thing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Furthermore, what a woman says she wants at a particular time may not be what she truly wants or will want.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">RE "human being", you've plainly not read what I've written, try again</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/MattWalshBlog/posts/pfbid02JFZJgayJAoJbCFr1v5aem8NEQfGd2DqQifH6AT2Sj29s8jFgta6btCd8csxCjfQkl?comment_id=234768763030790&reply_comment_id=1793146164493641&notif_id=1707406949915151&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif" target="_blank">The Government Accidentally Confirms It Has No Real Evidence To Support So-Called ‘Gender Affirming Care’ For Minors </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's not care.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>It is care.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">N</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o, it isn't. It's butchery for profit.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>no you are thinking about conversion therapy</i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">LOL,
how do you think that in any way counters my point or advances yours?
Do explain how "conversion therapy" is butchery exactly.</div></div></span><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>well it tends to result in dead kids....</i></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">N</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o, it doesn't. But still, you're misunderstanding the word "butchery".</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>doesn't butchery generally involve killing the butchered? [hyperlink]<br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No, butchery is the cutting of flesh.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
article you link to is about *non trans LGB* folk, so NOT RELEVANT in
this thread. (It also doesn't even define "conversion therapy", along
with having other serious flaws). Furthermore suicide is to <a tabindex="-1"></a>kill
oneself, not to be killed by someone else enacting something, and
suicide results from a multitude of factors which it is plainly wrong to
disregard.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fking-charles-iii-cancer-statement-3e936f953daa84a6b9a24926a901e99b%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1hzT-xintXx6K9oXGLq5Ky1ymlXAAt2_PKZzyp4gWM9krh3b6ykLums7M&h=AT1Q3nutLAWemvbqjU1pw7_sIE5FDMthZXTHpx1F02IFzm374n0QPufptcpatpWIX5yVIB0ovRNF1aF7abZ0IrS6TUyQoH7uKs7R9RmKfe9hCPYsdrWYoUZQkBTVRwJ4nii3&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT27cOBXgttsTiZAI-H0idmx0BvefUH2bmVuVPUNp5_3YXX18BPBpRS3jx6rcraOX4qgtEo5qQ8UBi1sANT6nLxsi5DeDSgmLSNKtcqXKF6yysB7fbPL36QxpANlhCk-rBUVjbnZV4n7sSXiy_o_UFGfvnaWZye0bUTyuyqsW0aQ3asBiwP4cqyHAtR9iCZRCQiBNIMxEzyk6dRjEdcz" target="_blank">Royal officials said Monday that King Charles III has been diagnosed with a form of cancer</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">We're
privileged to live in a time and place (as compared to poorer
countries) with some remarkable cancer treatment - but it can still
obviously, horrifically devastate and end lives, so it would be awesome
if the news about Charles helped remind people to check for those
cancers that can be checked for</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/05/asylum-seekers-converts-faking-it-evangelical-church-leader/" target="_blank">Asylum seeker converts faking it, says evangelical church leader </a></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Obviously
(though not all). Christians are very flawed ad we need God's help and
forgiveness - but no one genuinely committed to following Jesus would do
what Ezedi did (and people who knew him have testified that his
religion wasn't Christianity).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People
have been erroneously calling themselves Christians in our culture for
centuries. Jesus Himself spent plenty of time arguing with those who
feigned religiosity and weren't actually committed to God.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Actual Christianity is to genuinely commit to Jesus, above all else, repenting and accepting His death in our place for our sin.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/reel/1123519942348283" target="_blank">The Last Dinner Party is an all non-male band...We speak to them about feminism, and female, non-binary bands</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
so funny how you presumably think that you're somehow supporting women
whilst you're actually erasing the word. "All non male"? So ridiculous.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
don’t know anything about the band other than what was in the video.
But I grasp that there are female members and non-binary members.
Therefore, all the band members are non-male.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't even realise this was a reference to one of the band members, I
thought that the band was simply being included with "non-binary"
artists in a broader discussion.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If a woman disdains her biology so much she rejects it and identifies <a tabindex="-1"></a>as
"non binary", I mean no disrespect to her, that's really sad - it's not
feminism. And categorising Sam Smith alongside women wouldn't be
either.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I’m
not curious about what’s in their underwear, but if that’s your kink,
you do you. But I expect the band members aren’t TERFs.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL,
my kink? Perhaps you're projecting. I'm so disgusted by what's in
anyone's underwear that I am and always will be a virgin. That has
nothing to do with biology being real. And it's not only about
genitalia, our biological sex is coded <a tabindex="-1"></a>in our DNA, it's in all (other than RBCs) our cells.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">does
identifying as non binary inherently means someone 'disdains their
biology '? When did identity become a question of pure biology? That
certainly doesn't sound like a feminist position to me.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Yes,
it does mean that. Woman/female is a biological reality, for myself (in
spite of various things that make me different from the majority of
women) and half of humanity. It's not a costume nor a set of
stereotypes. If a biological <a tabindex="-1"></a>female identifies as
"non binary", they *are* evidently disdaining their biology I must
stress - I'm *not* hating such a woman, I feel sad for her, and I hate
that our society is contributing to this. Women should be able to break
stereotypes and follow their individual styles and skills, without it
being thought that any personal attributes or feelings mean we aren't
women.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
mean, sure, being a woman is your biological reality, but it isn't
*just* that, right? People relate to you socially as a woman, no? And
that's presumably a huge part of that identity.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It
is first and foremost biology. Most other things aren't fixed, and
that's important. We don't have to dress in any particular way, or do
any particular things, we're still women (and individual human beings).
I've been feeling anxious about not being pretty for most of my life,
but I'm still a woman. I don't have periods because of an eating
disorder, I'm still a woman. I could go on. I'm honestly not sure what
you mean by "people relating to me socially as a woman"(?) I'm not
trying to argue, but what does that actually mean?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fprotesters-who-climb-on-war-memorials-to-face-three-months-in-prison-under-new-plans-13063753%3Fdcmp%3Dsnt-sf-twitter%26fbclid%3DIwAR0iJYpCYK5s1MX-h_rcnyy_Qs9U2h0UEzLd2RhBQ6I5BPW4lZC283kre7g&h=AT01O1aPrvvB2d1T0bOHMV1G8CKz2nxYfLI-tS252UhufI1P9NnmLPvxjMEqlfh338vbLcQqRco99Y06CsnijQdwiuRAzOauidDfQt-khjC_OKKNFB8PvK6YgjmJQPwgQp32&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0FlnecInHAZpWYh7CgGIJIwm9BBYAZpGuDUiJcQc_LpHmjcBN9GgG6d72UbCxaQegT4WaChChcIWoSDlUOVPx2d83NW3B5FJJnr386_W3434nZQL8JVpeVM-kWg7ewhqg986pPWdF3KxLrseimABeJ9ixLFobeH5HOcS2L93HVp62aMA" target="_blank">Protesters who climb on war memorials could face three months in prison</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's
roughly £10k of public money (the prison stay). They aren't dangerous,
it's a poor use of limited resources to lock them up. Fine them and have
them do community service, use the very limited space available in
prisons to reduce danger to the public.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No, <span><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg xo1l8bm" href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/abdulezedi?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZWBO3Pjjf3V_i5ZErB8uTg1c6mefXhZlqmmP0VyiAt-OkpuE1Jtb9JVZA8HDJ7Sc5Paf8EBkzO-B3w973PTdY-6e0H6F8_ZwyOapk8bch4w_Q&__tn__=*NK-R" role="link" tabindex="0">#AbdulEzedi</a></span> did not, as various outlets are asserting, “Convert to Christianity”. One is not a Christian merely by virtue of identifying as one. As much as many people mistakenly call themselves Christians for cultural reasons, an actual Christian is a person committed to following Christ. Whilst those of us who are Christians still fail terribly to behave as we should, no one who wants to follow Jesus would do what Ezedi did.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As expected, endless comments are irrationally <span><a tabindex="-1"></a></span>lumping together all asylum seekers with Ezedi. These people are aware that they and some of their fellow white Brits have wholly different views (for instance, some Brits wrongly presume *all* asylum seekers to be innocent and deserving of asylum) - so why not recognise that Afghan individuals also think differently from one another?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There are cultural factors - but each person has their own mind and only some adopt ideas that exist within their culture. Honour attacks are rooted in specific cultures, that doesn’t - by any means - mean that all of the people *born into* that culture take up believing honour attacks are justified. Morris dancing and cheese rolling are part of our culture, most of us don’t do them. Some of us don’t even drink tea or watch football. Abdul Ezedi is not the responsibility of other Afghans or asylum seekers, he is responsible for his own actions. And the government has been negligent in having allowed him, having been convicted, to roam the streets. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We are privileged in having been born into a country that is both more wealthy and stable than many others, but also one with a worldview shaped by Christianity. That a man shouldn’t consider a woman property, obvious as it might seem to us, has not been agreed upon across human history - before our culture became Christian, the ancient civilisations of the West had wholly different positions on human rights. And those of us who are Christian need to have compassion for those from elsewhere - Ezedi should be locked up, but there are many Afghans who deserve compassion (in fact there’s been far too little coverage of what some who are still there, suffering under the Taliban and amidst poverty, are enduring)</div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">I should add, other news - today, such as the sentencing of the demonic teens who killed their classmate, and this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-68182500 - should remind anyone who's forgotten it that white Brits can be evil too. Sin is a feature of humanity, it's not restricted to certain ethnicities.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/news/breakthrough-in-madeleine-mccann-case-as-suspects-friend-vows-to-testify-420299" target="_blank">Breakthrough in Madeleine McCann case as suspect’s friend vows to testify</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Part
of the reason there's been so much attention and expenditure on
Madeleine is that each child is so immeasurably precious - and yet
whilst it's fairly certainly too late to save Maddie, there are children
in our world who are dying (such as from starvation or dirty water) who
we could save yet ignore.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.standard.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fgaza-israel-war-mp-kate-osamor-genocide-holocaust-memorial-day-b1135342.html%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1TaLWh-NxlAD6Be8vIwm6ksV3VF1ixeWvXjD7rqdVSblYJsT6PQqLiLxs%23Echobox%3D1706473301-1&h=AT2_CiRRdDgDmcfX83Kp73pK7772fzjt_CjACMTJonr6NbdtncMzXCm2Gefq8fZuFmjyVCYcFrxhsf2-FpIXh9mXs-R16vfdAyv6KwZebf9ssmFC7DZGTij7iMZO2kmfIl1A&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2lMs1MUi3yC3CII8PjI8IAketPknkhRBoHU2fE0h3oYXIC2wptZnYftQ58-aBis6HZHmyzQdbAS0ULjfdHm9WNcI2P3LSnUFLDhqTDMVk72jEX2Atm0H-oQC6TGVuPQYeC9dPbvyNRD3Exs93lG9lr0I1asBboserjywTsWXr1r1YGsA" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.standard.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fgaza-israel-war-mp-kate-osamor-genocide-holocaust-memorial-day-b1135342.html%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1TaLWh-NxlAD6Be8vIwm6ksV3VF1ixeWvXjD7rqdVSblYJsT6PQqLiLxs%23Echobox%3D1706473301-1&h=AT2_CiRRdDgDmcfX83Kp73pK7772fzjt_CjACMTJonr6NbdtncMzXCm2Gefq8fZuFmjyVCYcFrxhsf2-FpIXh9mXs-R16vfdAyv6KwZebf9ssmFC7DZGTij7iMZO2kmfIl1A&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2lMs1MUi3yC3CII8PjI8IAketPknkhRBoHU2fE0h3oYXIC2wptZnYftQ58-aBis6HZHmyzQdbAS0ULjfdHm9WNcI2P3LSnUFLDhqTDMVk72jEX2Atm0H-oQC6TGVuPQYeC9dPbvyNRD3Exs93lG9lr0I1asBboserjywTsWXr1r1YGsA" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Labour
MP suspended after saying the Gaza </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">war </span></span></span></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">is “genocide” in a post about Holocaust Memorial
Day</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What's
happening to people in Gaza is utterly horrific, one doesn't need to
claim it's motivated by racism nor appropriate Holocaust memorial day to
know that.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>When
you have senior members of the Israeli government calling them animals,
i'm quite sure that description comes from their hatred of Arabs</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">How many members referred to all Palestinians (as opposed to Hamas) as animals?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Defense
Minister Yoav Gallant. Israeli ambassador to the United Nations Dan
Gillerman and several warmongering generals called Palestinians human
animals. Also, Netanyahu invoked Amalek (do you know what
that means)?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yoav
Gallant said that they're fighting against human animals, that doesn't
imply that he considers all civilians to be animals, it means he's
calling the enemy - Hamas - animals.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Dan Gillerman's quote is somewhat ambiguous (though I'm <a tabindex="-1"></a>certainly
not stating that they aren't a problem), he refers to "horrible inhuman
animals who have done the worst atrocities that this century has seen",
so it's not wholly clear that he isn't referring to those who carried
out the attack.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yes Netanyahu fundamentally misunderstands God's word.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>You
are making excuses for the inexcusable. Gallant turned the water off
stopped food and fuel from entering Gaza. What is happening is
collective punishment for Hamas's crimes Already there are 11,000
children dead, 7,000 lost beneath the rubbl;e, children having limbs sawn off without anesthetic. The horrors are unimaginable.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to understand what they meant rather than making presumptions to suit a narrative.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I know that the horrors are unimaginable, I already expressed that. What I was saying is that it's horrendous beyond <a tabindex="-1"></a>words
irrespective of the motivation. I'm also struck that, whilst many
people are rightly very concerned about this situation, other situations
of extreme suffering in our world are ignored.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>My
point is Israel has for decades dehumanised and oppressed Palestinians
through a brutal occupation, colonisation and apartheid. Only selfish
people on the political Right care less about the suffering and
injustices in the world.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's
your point? That's a whole other argument. What you were trying to
claim was that the barbaric, inexcusable strategy currently being
employed by the GOVERNMENT of Israel is motivated by a racist will to
eliminate an ethnic group (almost as though October the 7th and the
ongoing will of Hamas to eliminate Israelis are of no significance).
It's striking how, whilst rightly being concerned about whether a
population is being lumped together with their leadership, you're
lumping another population together with their leadership by condemning
*ISRAEL*.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Only selfish
people on the political Right care less about the suffering and
injustices in the world"? Nah. Global poverty is generally ignored
(including by the people and pages that have been making so, so much
noise about Gaza). Almost as many people die each day of hunger as it's
claimed have died in Gaza since October, when did Corbyn, Abbott,
Momentum, Novara, DDN, etc etc draw attention to this? There have been
marches week after week for Palestine, there was no march when Sunak cut
Aid.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://jacobin.com/2024/01/unrwa-defunding-gaza-israel/" target="_blank">Defunding UNRWA Is Collective Punishment</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But there are other Aid orgs helping Gazans, why not redirect funding to them?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And why do other people in our world in desperate need of Aid get ignored?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>The
point is to deliberately harm the people of Gaza. That seems to be
Israel's entire tactic and the western world is going along with it.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"The
point is to deliberately harm the people of Gaza"? So you think that
wanting to reduce the propagation of deadly antisemitic terrorism
doesn't count as a reason?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>There
are more than 2 million people in Gaza, including 1 million children.
They are starving directly as a result of Israel and the west's actions.
Hamas didn't cut off aid to Gaza, Israel and the west did. Israel is
creating more terrorists every day by killing
innocents. Would you not want some revenge if an occupying power bombed
your family members to death without reason?</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You've really just ignored my last question and endorsed the massacre of Jewish people.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
no, if I were to have another country's army attack my home and kill
people, it wouldn't make me want to kill the *civilians* of that <a tabindex="-1"></a>country.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
starvation absolutely is due to Hamas as well as the government of
Israel, Hamas funnel off Aid and Hamas prompted the government of Israel
to do the horrendous things they're doing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1l90r2v x1swvt13" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":r4h:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Ftaylor-swift-climate-jet-carbon-emissions-kelce-chiefs-02ac425d24281bd26d73bfdf4590bc82%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0TfsNjWUr5w8zZeV9cQE5YkSXGey5RRpuZZOULfrTxwCNCxTS5R3OFF5c&h=AT3uD21VBjMfAFigLduhTDC-v-1mWstnkCwjuCnXKYjl3oqHy48Z9MJvgcWa4R1ERl9vvCa6GMB37dbeB0XGoBsvpVm2MW1cZWXLf1hZrznmCAaAV8Li8hH5wxZwQ5uBhI9S&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2cbnxn0QPMe9mZEEMLRT4F0qx0IEaMT8mWXw5xYzGmlekHT2AY7TavmL3LlZVVO8rnEQjzEk-oFhzpK-vleYEePfXFXfcoZ7h8qPcibKxOfwzJ8ZlzhNvZ0WCypV1isNIQEpV6EDK3FvXP2BP6Xla3wrI1xxRYAhxUBqTJlQ1wPOnEzg" target="_blank">Taylor Swift's private jet has social media abuzz for its climate cost. But the same applies to anyone who flies private.</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Yep,
they're wrong too. It looks as though you're defending her private jet
usage on the basis of others, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. It's
particularly odd ATM seeing supposed progressives fawn over her so
obsessively. Some of the world's poorest <a tabindex="-1"></a>people are
already having their lives wrecked (or ended) by climate change, they
should be getting more attention - yet clearly many people think that
Taylor Swift is more important.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The error is that there are thousands of private plane flights everyday.. All flights do pretty much equal damage..</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why single her out..Limiting all flights could be a legitimate point..Making
an example out of her because they disagree with her political views
but simultaneously oppose climate change legislation is dishonest</i></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">gain,
that other private jets are wrong doesn't mean that hers shouldn't be
criticised. (And people who think they're progressive should stop
spending so much of their energy defending her) That some of the people
criticising her are ridiculous hypocrites doesn't change that.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>we’re
not fawning over her. We’re laughing at the alpha boys on your team
getting their panties in a twist. Bunch of red panty wastes.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL, "my team"? Meaning what exactly? You're plainly making some very, very irrational presumptions.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div></div></div><a aria-label="Why Taylor Swift's globe-trotting in private jets is getting scrutinized" class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x1ejq31n xd10rxx x1sy0etr x17r0tee x972fbf xcfux6l x1qhh985 xm0m39n x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz x1heor9g xt0b8zv x5yr21d xh8yej3" href="https://apnews.com/article/taylor-swift-climate-jet-carbon-emissions-kelce-chiefs-02ac425d24281bd26d73bfdf4590bc82?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0TfsNjWUr5w8zZeV9cQE5YkSXGey5RRpuZZOULfrTxwCNCxTS5R3OFF5c" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank"></a></div></div></div></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://jacobin.com/2024/01/joe-biden-houthi-yemen-bombing-congress-war-powers/" target="_blank">Joe Biden Shouldn’t be Able to Just Unilaterally Bomb Yemen</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Unilaterally
bomb Yemen"? Are the strikes not specifically against Houthi
(terrorist) military targets? Are you not accidentally lumping innocent
Yemeni people together with terrorists?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fitalys-meloni-opens-africa-summit-promises-new-partnership-2024-01-29%2F%3Futm_campaign%3DtrueAnthem%253A%2520Trending%2520Content%26utm_medium%3DtrueAnthem%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2RQBT5DQqW6tXZHiLarPrMkuE8o9cnh3f2unmbuyagfPdLeh32qHWQ_Dw&h=AT0r6ihnUt4SIJYDvQyDCVJvcGDxWh-nRqEl0l6R9YxpUcIHSOtZiVzMOgBRXQC4UYgvS-aIbRUNjVPuPvAGcMCK_EVGPR6p35yr2Hu_ASgdK4eA7dZZnRDk3zSOoeqBABQt&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0LffgiRDBSv1xTmD0yBMQ16KLd3A6bdwU4GD1LDAvEopK4GHQrw1hlpu8QTaZXsIwDvtYSbRmDBRCK_cZZ3HvECx4uiOOKQ_74OboLMoJAFVJe69EWNnnUrbrH9_hkt6RVJRhpZ7XWf5LlXMaLJBDK6rULAeD1MdKPAFhNqEWSPiZylA" target="_blank">Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni called for a new partnership with Africa</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
sceptical about her motives - but it's so, so right for Western leaders
to do more to support African people where they are (or, rather, to
begin to reverse the damage done by our previous leaders and our
institutions) rather than only argue about migration</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.standard.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fgaza-israel-war-mp-kate-osamor-genocide-holocaust-memorial-day-b1135342.html%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0JJTTnAOM1C5AfdWI2x49mDwEbxq8_Y6Ke4nMizpCe54hjNZB6RfzIfSo%23Echobox%3D1706473301-1&h=AT3og9-IACuvBKu8BZNCa0H3OCjOGGCNy5MUQE-HhCa9LjBFAWfxnnEhq108XC4o3x3h5eQtZOoHM_QXR9p4mpfm4IIeAmtlFT50u3xVVHZOKVoYB677HYI31_RF-lal5Vfl&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0wzHXzkmPEZ4oNUuzHA6IrBoT5Dr5b7PhouN6MFMslYdRsNL95kn8MUrcdGiT7Qz3pODJdZ5H5gTWDzGnj2AuFHjBQ6m-xB-67NYVkPWHT3C7WPp2E0oPl2seHncncZIs2A3iCJA-HHuZYb5itNMSHiKWHHFS_-0TUkRiQSGd_VoUKqA" target="_blank">Labour MP has had the whip suspended after she appeared to say the war in Gaza should be remembered as a “genocide” in a post about Holocaust Memorial Day</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What's
happening to people in Gaza is utterly horrific, one doesn't need to
claim it's motivated by racism nor appropriate Holocaust memorial day to
know that.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>When
you have senior members of the Israeli government calling them animals,
i'm quite sure that description comes from their hatred of Arabs.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">H<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ow many members referred to all Palestinians (as opposed to Hamas) as animals?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. Israeli ambassador to the United
Nations Dan Gillerman and several warmongering generals called
Palestinians human animals. Also, Netanyahu invoked Amalek
(do you know what that means)?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yoav
Gallant said that they're fighting against human animals, that doesn't
imply that he considers all civilians to be animals, it means he's
calling the enemy - Hamas - animals.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Dan Gillerman's quote is somewhat ambiguous (though I'm <a tabindex="-1"></a>certainly
not stating that they aren't a problem), he refers to "horrible inhuman
animals who have done the worst atrocities that this century has seen",
so it's not wholly clear that he isn't referring to those who carried
out the attack.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yes Netanyahu fundamentally misunderstands God's word.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>You
are making excuses for the inexcusable. Gallant turned the water off
stopped food and fuel from entering Gaza. What is happening is
collective punishment for Hamas's crimes Already there are 11,000
children dead, 7,000 lost beneath the rubbl;e, children having limbs sawn off without anesthetic. The horrors are unimaginable.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to understand what they meant rather than making presumptions to suit a narrative.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I know that the horrors are unimaginable, I already expressed that. What I was saying is that it's horrendous beyond <a tabindex="-1"></a>words
irrespective of the motivation. I'm also struck that, whilst many
people are rightly very concerned about this situation, other situations
of extreme suffering in our world are ignored.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>My
point is Israel has for decades dehumanised and oppressed Palestinians
through a brutal occupation, colonisation and apartheid. Only selfish
people on the political Right care less about the suffering and
injustices in the world.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's
your point? That's a whole other argument. What you were trying to
claim was that the barbaric, inexcusable strategy currently being
employed by the GOVERNMENT of Israel is motivated by a racist will to
eliminate an ethnic group (almost as though October the 7th and the
ongoing will of Hamas to eliminate Israelis are of no significance).
It's striking how, whilst rightly being concerned about whether a
population is being lumped together with their leadership, you're
lumping another population together with their leadership by condemning
*ISRAEL*.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Only selfish
people on the political Right care less about the suffering and
injustices in the world"? Nah. Global poverty is generally ignored
(including by the people and pages that have been making so, so much
noise about Gaza). Almost as many people die each day of hunger as it's
claimed have died in Gaza since October, when did Corbyn, Abbott,
Momentum, Novara, DDN, etc etc draw attention to this? There have been
marches week after week for Palestine, there was no march when Sunak cut
Aid.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/30/spanish-right-wingers-fume-depiction-jesus-way-sexy-20196106/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook" target="_blank">Right-wingers fume over depiction of Jesus that’s way too sexy </a><br /><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's not a depiction of Jesus. It's just a white man who should put more clothes on.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus was Middle Eastern, and the historical texts about Him say that He wasn't attractive.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And as this comment section demonstrates, plenty of people are unaware of <a tabindex="-1"></a>the historical case for Him (in particular, it's a historically illiterate conspiracy theory to claim that He didn't exist)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And this is all nothing to do with "Right wingers"</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>and he was just a man. Possibly a healer, but there is no actual proof that he was anything more than that.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What "actual proof" is lacking exactly?</div></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>in
what? That he is the son of a god....I'd say there is actually no proof
at all, there is only faith. If there was actual undeniable proof
everyone would be a xtian. The bible is not evidence.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">gain, what exactly is lacking? What "proof" should there be exactly?</span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>read above comment, and keep repeating until it sinks in....</i></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat
doesn't answer the question. I'm not sure what "proof" of historical
events you think there can be for historical events beyond written
records. And compared to other ancient history, there are many more
records, written far closer to the <a tabindex="-1"></a>time of the
events. There's also evidence via the existence of the movement He
started, which spread in spite of extreme initial persecution. There's
much, much more to be said about why the history is credible - and as I
wrote originally, people are generally unaware (I entirely understand
presuming it to be mythology if one hasn't read up on the topic, I used
to feel like that)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>ok, so we both agree that he was a man who was a healer and he most probably did exist. He had a following. That is it, nothing else can be
proven.The Romans were prolific record keepers and yet there is no one record of a problematic Jew called Jesus until 200 yrs after his death....seems a bit strange. So again anything written about this man didn't happen at the time of him being alive...it's all heresy...</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I've no problem with your faith, but it's just that. Just because you believe he is the son of a god, doesn't make it so.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"not one record until 200 years after His death"? No, who told you that? And why would the Romans want to write about Him?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You're perfectly entitled to have a problem with what I believe, there's no need to claim that you don't. If you didn't <a tabindex="-1"></a>you wouldn't be arguing. I'm sure we both have better things to do.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>the Romans recorded everything, including executions, not one mentions him.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You need to do more research, and try to look at research that encompasses more than one view point. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Not once have you given any evidence of what you've claimed, you've turned the question around, deflected and completely tried to wriggle your way out of a grown up discussion.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Show me evidence of a written account of his existence at the time of his life, I will wait.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I didn't claim that you've said you have a problem, you're demonstrating it. And you're entitled to have a problem with it, so there's no need to say otherwise.<br />It's interesting how you're making various claims and citing no sources, having been the one to start the argument and telling me I've failed to provide evidence.<br />And I don't know why you think the Romans are the only source of historical accounts.<br />Also, you've overlooked one of my earlier points - the existence of the movement itself is compelling evidence. People took up belief in something contrary to their prior beliefs and died for it - why? Because of what they'd seen. And people still experience something - someone.<br />Covering this topic properly takes far more time than I have, I've already wasted time on this thread and need to get off Facebook now (and I'm certain you aren't going to change your view either way).<br />Have a nice evening. Bye.<br />https://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...<br />https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>your original post stated you had seen historical texts saying that he wasn't attractive, where are these texts... also that's kind of all you really said, now, it's down to you to prove what you've stated....you've hinted that you know more than a lot of historians...please provide evidence.....other than the bible because that was written 200 yrs after the supposed death of Jesus. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">No, the Bible was not written 200 years later, again this is demonstrating my point that there's a lot of popular misinformation about this. </span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">I *have* already linked to one summary of sources https://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm, so you could start there (however, no it's not "down to me to prove", in that making a comment on Facebook does not mean that one is required to cite sources - and my point was that people are unaware or misinformed about what is a big topic [too big to discuss here], so if I'm wrong people will look into it themselves)</span><i> </i></div><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi5rlhRgBvguVE76OhATaqYyhJni1txE8fPufIar-v7RcsHNzDM9Cg602w5H5KeQbl7lyXLuhaFNy50xj-UzllvP-8Biq7930i8L-7jOYfSnbGxWh3n03Efi1WotGLdwvRA6svk68W4vxKMVFJVpUiYR12pBpNsOGRXDNvu9ZTi40211NhDGQBSKJlotdY/s526/423133300_879949337510400_7654976099454074367_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="526" data-original-width="526" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi5rlhRgBvguVE76OhATaqYyhJni1txE8fPufIar-v7RcsHNzDM9Cg602w5H5KeQbl7lyXLuhaFNy50xj-UzllvP-8Biq7930i8L-7jOYfSnbGxWh3n03Efi1WotGLdwvRA6svk68W4vxKMVFJVpUiYR12pBpNsOGRXDNvu9ZTi40211NhDGQBSKJlotdY/s320/423133300_879949337510400_7654976099454074367_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">This is so idiotic. There are Christians all around the world, but you're just going to moan about some fellow Westerners, ignoring the rest of humanity whilst pretending to be progressive. </span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">And it's illogical because those Westerners who call themselves Christian but don't try to follow God are thereby demonstrating that they *don't* believe in Him, so the comment^makes no sense. </span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Further, Christianity is absolutely not about God "preferring" some people. Jesus taught that God the Father is overjoyed when someone who has been rejecting God turns to Him, and "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8-9</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/watch/?comment_id=915982169929961&v=1124280575416715&notif_id=1706393300339453&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">UK has suspended funding to a UN aid agency for Palestinians after allegations some of its staff were involved in Hamas'</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></a><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Our
PM (Rishi Sunak) massively cut the total humanitarian Aid budget
several years ago. I've not seen those angry about this^ making so much
noise about that, do only some starving humans matter?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What's happening in Gaza is horrific beyond words. Yet almost
as many people (as have died in the current conflict) die *each day*
from hunger in our world, why are people not also upset about that?
(FTR, The latter is an issue we ourselves can do a little to tackle,
it's incredibly cheap to fund meals for one of the world's poorest
people)<span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">I desperately hope that Aid can reach the people of Gaza - is it not possible to deliver it without it going via UNWRA?</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/07/christian-evangelical-church-division-politics/674810/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook" target="_blank">The American Evangelical Church Is in Crisis. There’s Only One Way Out. </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">America
doesn't know what Evangelical means. The Evangel (from the Greek for
"good news") is that Jesus died in our place, and rose defeating death.
Anyone truly committed to following Him (Jesus) will not be a fanatical
Trump supporter, Trump's behaviour and attitudes are antithetical to what Jesus taught.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
just don’t get the blood sacrifice thing. I thought God ended that
with Abraham. Then turns around and sacrifices his own son. In
addition to be cruel, you’d think a truly great God would have more
imagination about how to “save” people.</i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's sin that created the debt, which Jesus chose to pay, not cruelty on God's part. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">On
the cross the wrongdoing of humanity was heaped upon Jesus. God's
Holiness meant that sin separated us from Him, but because of Jesus (if
one <a tabindex="-1"></a>chooses to genuinely repent and turn to Him) taking that contamination, it's possible for us to enter God's presence. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
limitations of the human brain make it difficult to comprehend this
entirely, but what it comes down to is whether or not we choose to
accept His offer. (if a person does, it will cause them to *want* to
follow His teaching, and to be helped, with the Holy Spirit, to
gradually become better and avoid sin - but it's not doing/being good
that brings the salvation about. The actions and attitudes of some
people, such as Trump, imply that they aren't truly seeking to follow
Christ even if they label themselves "Christian/Evangelical")</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>There
are lots of ways one could pay for sin. Why through human sacrifice?
That to me seems cruel and without imagination. Plus if you don’t “want”
e.g. chose freely to accept His office you’ll burn in hell for
eternity. All this requires giving up anything that resembles logic.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
believe the teachings of Jesus Christ are profound. Worthy of
dedicating one’s life too. I just can’t understand why people who call
themself Christian find so many work around for not following those
teaching.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Which "ways"? I reckon God knows better than we do.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, there's not cruelty from God, our sin is the evil that has accumulated.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No, the Bible doesn't say that people burn for eternity <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://rethinkinghell.com/?fbclid=IwAR08_AZpti7ZBLOllo9_d_DwKl1q7WQoHMFeAvSx0fTukyXNQ1HhhzR5yMs" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://rethinkinghell.com/</a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>If
the Bible doesn’t say you’ll burn in hell a lot of preachers have being
lying to a lot of people for a long time. And blood sacrifice is cruel!
Not the path a loving God would chose for anyone. Especially after he
told us it was wrong and to never do it again!</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
meant to add earlier, RE "I just can’t understand why people who call
themself Christian find so many work around for not following those
teaching.", you're absolutely correct, it's ridiculous, but clearly some
people who aren't <a tabindex="-1"></a>actually trying to follow Jesus
like feeling that "religion" is part of their identity, and/or they feel
self-righteous. Jesus said that there'd be people like this and He
spent a lot of time arguing with those people in His day who feigned
religiosity whilst not really loving God and others.</div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yes,
some preachers are mistaken RE Hell. Things that burn do not continue
to exist in a state of burning forever, things that burn cease to exist.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
said that He willingly chose to lay down His life, He wasn't
"sacrificed" by God. Eg John 10:17,18 – “…I lay down My life that I may
take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I
have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.”</div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>But way the need for death and the lying down of life, for sacrifice! It’s all so “pagan”</i>.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
see what you're saying, yet paganism is not defined by sacrifice, it is
to venerate nature and alternative spiritual forces instead of God.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The animal sacrifices in the OT (which don't end with Abraham) are a demonstration of the <a tabindex="-1"></a>impact of sin. Jesus ended the need for animal sacrifice by willingly taking our sin upon Himself.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Human
sacrifice is in human! We would all have been much better off had his
followers had the courage to take him off that cross and define their
oppressors! Now that would be an inspiring story.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"inhuman"? It was human wrongdoing that caused it. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
would that be better? They wouldn't have been able to take him down,
but if He hadn't died the debt of our sin wouldn't have been paid.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Because of what He chose to do, we have <a tabindex="-1"></a>the
option of entering perfect peace with God (though otherwise our sin
would separate us from His Holy presence). And He defeated death, rising
again to show that we can have eternal life through Him.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Hebrews 10:12 "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God"</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Luke
24:46 "Then He said to them, 'Thus it is written, and thus it was
necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third
day'"</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep."</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
will never belief it takes blood and death to save us from sin. Saying
I forgive you is much easier. And much more humane. But then being
dead for only 3 days isn’t that much of a sacrifice.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Oh
yikes, He wasn't "only dead for 3 days", He experienced one of the most
horrific execution methods that's been dreamt up by humanity, but He
also suffered supernaturally, beyond measure/time constraints/our
imagination because the weight of human sin was placed upon Him.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Saying
"I forgive you" doesn't achieve elimination of the problem. And God's
nature includes justice. The wrongs of humanity had to be dealt with.
Why do you think that we would know better about this than God?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You
know you’re just make God sound crueler and crueler don’t you? I
don’t like thinking of God as needing blood sacrifice. I like to think
of Him as loving and wise. Not mean and unimaginative. Just following
the conventions of the day withs gods needing
sacrifice. I like the teaching of Jesus. I wish Christian would follow
them, I can accept them without him “dying of me.” I like to think he
lived and taught for me. That enough. I don’t need the shedding of
blood. Sorry you seem too.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Again,
I don't see why you think God is "cruel" (how has what I've written
"made God sound crueler and crueler"?) - it's our sin that was heaped
upon Jesus, and He chose to take our debt.</span></div></div></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Not
my sin. I didn’t exist. And there must be a billion ways a truly
caring God could have freely chosen to forgive sin rather than the
slaughter of His son. I don’t get it. Human sacrifice is inhuman.
Being washed in blood is pagan. Christianity is the only religion that
relies on such inhuman behavior to convert its followers . But Jesus had
some profound advise for human kind. If just the people who called
themselves Christian would follow it the world would be a much better
place. Follow His teaching and forget this gory sacrifice stiff.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of course, and I wasn't born either, but there's no time constraint, God (from whom sin separated us) created time and isn't restricted within it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Gory?
(this - emphasising how bad it was - seems a contrast from your
previous assertion that it wasn't a particularly big deal "only dead for
3 days", which I addressed). Yes, human sin causes a mess. The awful
things done by human beings (and even the smaller things we do wrong
that are still awful in relation to the Holiness of God) are more than
gory, and can't just be nullified given the existence of justice. They
were placed on Jesus, who chose to pay the debt accrued.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You've
claimed repeatedly that there "must be other ways" but not suggested
what they are, so perhaps there aren't other ways. I think God knows
better than our limited human brains as to what's necessary. The debt
cannot just disappear, but Jesus offers to pay it, why be opposed to His
offer?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We're very much
going around in circles, I have no theological training (to enable me to
explain this better) and either way I know that I'm not remotely
capable of changing your mind (and obviously you're more than wholly
entitled to your views). Let's leave this here.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">God bless <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="☺️" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tfb/1/16/263a.png" width="16" /></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3Ua4jvh%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2lcYzu1r-YOxxAnNkzlgZRbkoPRTStfEZhNcHGy8NMvffnKzgFiMDfnkw&h=AT16QTQgMruWerkPO-c3Y3m4IO9pk8_twvX5LEo7OByulAAaIvde-WI2yB9uFlMZ9MtRLkPOOoUau3nVofDSZPSXFtzXDf5kAs3Uz_zkRZ7ZrjKKEDfXkSKTNdzAoCpK1JGK&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3I7q2lOkTkvG8YohLAeEYinFY0SXxAKWrCHmtEnS-hgqlXStZ1Xpwbqgl0DKbBRo0R70U16kvEKMhSZKdCvxwZvQHtvu93UQxT-948Rgys7ULqnc1o5N2LQS-9AZ9rK4SP-RqsQWB7_7cAzWyKetJgGo8gPBOe1-TkKbqCq8mmDVMl7w" target="_blank">Barbie star Margot Robbie and director Greta Gerwig missed out on Oscar nominations in key categories</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
find it so odd how, in a world where there are people lacking clean
water to drink, scores of our fellow Westerners feel that it's super
rich Hollywood stars who need sympathy and defending. Margot Robbie is
one of the luckiest people is the world, <a tabindex="-1"></a>she doesn't need anyone's tears.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>It's called having sympathy. Considering you're a supposed follower of Jesus one would think you understand that.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">S</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">eriously?
They don't need sympathy, they aren't suffering. I'm trying to draw
attention to the fact that there are people in our world who actually do
warrant sympathy - people we could even help - but who are constantly
ignored whilst folk expend their energy worrying about which
multimillionaire gets another shiny trinket.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Apples and Oranges this. Not one person has said she is worse off than someone facing real problems</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I didn't say that anyone had said that. I'm observing the extent of expressed concern for different issues.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>People
can care about many different things at the same time. You’re implying
that anyone who is upset about this issue doesn’t care about anything
else. It’s apples and oranges to compare the two.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">O</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">f
course people can care about multiple things (though in fact we all
have a finite amount of time/headspace), but people/media outlets *are*
expending substantial time/resources talking about this whilst human
beings suffering amidst <a tabindex="-1"></a>some of the most serious problems in our world are constantly ignored.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
find it odd how someone who cares so much about what’s going on in the
world and isn’t doing anything about it. Instead complains about
someone complaining about the wrong thing.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">making a comment on Facebook proves that I do nothing how exactly?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>cuz
then you wouldn’t be a keyboard warrior in a comment thread trying to
shit on people. You’re no better than the rest of us. Or please, send a
link for your charity.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That
makes no sense at all. Keeping up with what's going on in the world
doesn't mean that a person doesn't also donate to charities and contact
politicians (which of course I do). That you seem to think it does
implies that you <a tabindex="-1"></a>yourself don't anything other than start arguments with strangers online.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Just another person who completely missed the message of this movie</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That you presume I've watched the film actually proves my point</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/15/sibling-rivalry-runs-deep-in-the-human-soul-but-the-tale-of-the-prodigal-son-has-something-to-teach-us-all?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1705302092" target="_blank">Sibling rivalry runs deep in the human soul – but the tale of the prodigal son has something to teach us all </a></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
tale of The Prodigal Son is not primarily about sibling rivalry. It's
about a Father forgiving a child who's done nothing to deserve
forgiveness, who's treated the Father with contempt and who's lived as a
selfish hedonist. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The Father celebrates and
gives The Prodigal undeserved gifts when The Prodigal repents and
returns to The Father. It's an analogy, via Jesus, for our relationship
with God.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>it’s
kind of more about the unconditional love a parent has for their child.
A parent in the right mind will love their child no matter what they
do. There are no expectations and desires put on the child and even if
the rest of the world see’s that the child has
acted disrespectfully the parent will still open their arms to their
children. This is teaching us that God loves all his children on earth
no matter what they do although I get the feeling it’s when a person
doesn’t mean to do any harm, that’s different when a person knowingly
inflicts pain and suffering on to others and enjoys it, that’s the work
of the D. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>In the
prodigal son he sets out to seek his own truth in life and simply fails
in trying to establish his own independence and there is no sin in
failing in the eyes of people. It’s right though because attitudes
change and people learn a different perspective and humans are, although
only in infancy still, beginning to take baby steps towards a life void
of ignorance.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
Prodigal Son has rejected The Father - and we do the same. Whether or
not one "knowingly inflicts pain and suffering on to others and enjoys
it", it's still the case that we turn from God and seek our own pleasure
- the former is not "different" from the former, it's one example of
it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus repeatedly
commands that we love our neighbours - though this was counter-cultural
at the time (we're so used to it now we take it for granted), so indeed
to knowingly inflict pain on others is a particular evil (and we mustn't
just blame it on the Devil, we have responsibility) - but even if we
never do that, there's still a problem. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
Prodigal *has* sinned, he hasn't just "failed in the eyes of people",
his "setting out to seek his own truth" *is sin*, he's turning his back
on The Father to selfishly seek his own hedonistic pleasures. We sin
when we turn our backs on God, even if we don't deliberately hurt others
(in fact, we often do end up hurting others, and the distinction
between seeking our own pleasures and ultimately hurting others becomes
nebulous). That's what sin means. But the story teaches that, when a
person *genuinely* turns back to God, truly lamenting their rebellion
and now seeking to be close to The Father, He embraces them. This is, of
course, possible because Jesus has taken our sins - hurting others or
otherwise - upon Himself.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-yemen-bombing-iran-britain-b2478179.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1705171832" target="_blank">Starmer backs Yemen bombing and issues stern warning to ‘terror sponsors’ Iran </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Bombing
Yemen"? The bombing is of a terrorist group and their military bases,
not Yemen in general. Don't lump innocent Yemeni people together with
the Houthis. </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's interesting to me that people are very upset about terrorist military <a tabindex="-1"></a>bases
being attacked, but haven't been talking about the ongoing suffering of
Yemeni people afflicted by conflict and famine. I don't remember so
much condemnation when Sunak cut Aid - which has included reducing UK
support for suffering Yemeni people by 60%</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">houthis
are terrorsts o my white people think they are born innocent but come
out and visit Asia and other continent we think you guys as terrorsts
cilonislism, wars, natives g@nocides list goes on nic eolay by z!0s to
tag any one as terrorsts to do their evil activities</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"we
think you guys as terrorsts cilonislism, wars, natives g@nocides" - I'm
well aware that some people think that, but not everyone is so
illogical. We - white people - are, like you, all individuals. We are
not to blame for the actions <a tabindex="-1"></a>of other white people,
each human has their own brain. That some white people have done evil
things around the world doesn't mean that we somehow chose for those
things to happen just because we're also white. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Throughout
history, powerful people have done evil things to other people, of
their own ethnicity and from other tribes or countries, it makes no
sense to blame whole groups of people, based on colour, for those evil
actions. Some African dictators, for instance, have carried out extreme
violence via their soldiers - the civilian citizens of their countries
are, obviously, in no way responsible for the actions of the dictators
(many suffered because of the dictators, obviously their being of the
same colour and nationality didn't mean that they had control over their
leaders' choices). Many people, in every country, *disagree* with their
own leaders.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As I just
wrote, innocent Yemeni civilians are not to lumped together with the
terrorists they share a country with - and the Houthis *are* terrorists,
they are attacking merchant ships and their own slogan is about wishing
death and curses upon others. No one in Yemen who is not a Houthi is to
blame nor should suffer because of their actions.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>you all need a machine to get rid of brianwashing</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">go on then, explain how what I wrote is incorrect. (or, rather, you obviously can't, hence the rubbish attempt at an insult, and I have other things to do so won't spend any longer arguing).</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">You should consider, though, part of the reason that the evil things you mentioned happened was *because* of ideas like yours. The white people who did the evil you mentioned were so stupid they believed that human beings elsewhere were inferior and savage because of being of a different ethnicity. They thought that being Brown or Black meant that peoples' brains were different, that they were more animal like and less human. That was an evil and completely stupid thing for those colonisers to believe. But your comment is doing the same thing - you're claiming that being white makes a person's brain and character different. In reality human beings of all ethnicities are equal, and each person has their own mind - each is influenced by their surroundings but also makes their own choices, and each person does a mixture of good and bad things (but to endlessly *differing* extents)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><div><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":r12u:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If you could get access to a vaccine booster for covid would you take it or not, and why?</i></div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="x168nmei x13lgxp2 x30kzoy x9jhf4c x6ikm8r x10wlt62" data-visualcompletion="ignore-dynamic"><div><div><div><div class="x1n2onr6"><div class="x6s0dn4 xi81zsa x78zum5 x6prxxf x13a6bvl xvq8zen xdj266r xktsk01 xat24cr x1d52u69 x889kno x4uap5 x1a8lsjc xkhd6sd xdppsyt"><div class="x6s0dn4 x78zum5 x1iyjqo2 x6ikm8r x10wlt62"><span aria-label="See who reacted to this" class="x1ja2u2z" role="toolbar"><span class="x6s0dn4 x78zum5 x1e558r4" id=":r131:"><span class="x6zyg47 x1xm1mqw xpn8fn3 xtct9fg x13zp6kq x1mcfq15 xrosliz x1wb7cse x13fuv20 xu3j5b3 x1q0q8m5 x26u7qi xamhcws xol2nv xlxy82 x19p7ews xmix8c7 x139jcc6 x1n2onr6 x1xp8n7a xhtitgo"><span class="x12myldv x1udsgas xrc8dwe xxxhv2y x1rg5ohu xmix8c7 x1xp8n7a"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></span></span></span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x78zum5 x2lah0s x1qughib x1qjc9v5 xozqiw3 x1q0g3np xykv574 xbmpl8g x4cne27 xifccgj"><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x78zum5 xdt5ytf x2lah0s x193iq5w xeuugli xsyo7zv x16hj40l x10b6aqq x1yrsyyn"></div><div class="x9f619 x1n2onr6 x1ja2u2z x78zum5 xdt5ytf x2lah0s x193iq5w xeuugli xsyo7zv x16hj40l x10b6aqq x1yrsyyn"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span>No,
I'd rather that appointment were put to better use (I generally don't
are about my health, but I've also had 3 doses and been asymptomatic
when I've actually had Covid). </div></div><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Most of all, I wish the dose (that I've been offered) could be offered to <a tabindex="-1"></a>someone
in a less wealthy country who's not yet had the opportunity to choose
to have a vaccination. When I was 13, I rejected the HPV vaccine and
wrote to the Department of Health asking that the £ my dose would have
cost be used to fund a few doses of infant vaccines for several children
in our world who are still missing out on these (not that I thought
this would actually happen, obviously, I wanted to make a point)</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/blasphemous-lil-nas-x-blasted-for-promoting-new-song-j-christ-with-image-of-rapper-on-a-cross?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro">‘Blasphemous’: Lil Nas X Blasted For Promoting New Song ‘J Christ’ With Image Of Rapper On A Cross </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Grim.
Yet just one example of how our uninformed society thinks of Jesus as
merely a character. People are unaware of the historical case for
believing in His resurrection <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="http://tinyurl.com/vnsoms2?fbclid=IwAR0qFJFlPGBR-htIm3w2vx895v3tvQ22--NOz-1QvkfK-uwJw7sPmgFcUUY" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/vnsoms2</a>, and ignore His offer of salvation. That's the real tragedy, rather than Lil Nas X.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid0YWGEtJYfJ8NjyMzTR9qtrst8peLZi4YJFFzq78iL6Rnxp8Sie1iUP3RFtGreeMwwl?comment_id=903317964361817" target="_blank">"We are the sixth richest country and we are saying that we can't afford to make sure every child has at least one meal."</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What?
No, the question is whether or not the state should pay for meals for
kids whose parents could afford to feed them (personally I think the
money would be better spent on helping those from less well off
households specifically)</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
are children in our world who are truly starving - but £19.15 can
provide school meals for a child for a year, which I think is awesome <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="☺" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tfb/1/16/263a.png" width="16" /></span> <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://donate.marysmeals.org/gb?fbclid=IwAR2ZSf-8b_UM7CnRhCIBR2qDhbYpT7x9VTJNOExTAbWGMs-9Mb34rMCvJuw" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://donate.marysmeals.org/gb</a></div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2024%2F01%2F10%2Fasylum-seekers-may-harm-themselves-bibby-stockholm-claim%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2U12omBYReBbXYeUvkrr9zoqpEWtw59OHQ7GMNB-ZdNRUk3egGs5YjiDQ%23Echobox%3D1704887094-1&h=AT1O80eF1i7ZJqKNYTlemYtRAmVy4F3nQLOi0y5styW_Y3UVw8m17bZ4Zrbf2WoktFaduwgKh4cQMkVp90H1nTSiOYd2aCByNbmrYfr6uwN6TjFt79tPVMAxNeKgh2zXR8YD&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT25oSJY3wEhakro8oRYa9J-UjMEwAe6yVe4PzfTsYk3W-JEl2LB8YcE7h7t5PyeRp8N86Dt1hMujjKt7WCsgZcK_CT6H-axgumZzgTrKz97dWx_BCjzm9dltJ-5OVV7f2Avdk5PBVsooGp00QMyxVGnxV7HY6dAyMgrYd12CGe454Bf7g">More asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm barge may harm themselves unless conditions improve, the room-mate of an Albanian asylum seeker suspected of taking his own life has said</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It'd
be helpful if there were more clarity about the conditions(?) Indeed
they absolutely should be decent, I'm just currently unclear as to how
they aren't(?) Perhaps I've missed something(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Self
harm is often the result of stress and/or self hatred, not poor living
conditions. I suspect that the man who killed himself was more likely
suffering from mental turmoil on account of his situation.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
are many people in our world in far worse living conditions (I'm not
aware that they're self harming?), could we please talk more about
helping them? I don't understand why those living in slums, lacking
clean water, stuck in refugee camps etc are ignored continually.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Hugest condolences to the family of the deceased</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Edit - the headline is misleading, stirring to make people think that the asylum seeker who's commenting is being petty<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnyti.ms%2F3Hb9IL8%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0moD0EdA3TR8h7AX_mWoF2vfCeQHM1yRxnKpKny6860J907096fvjQY4o&h=AT1QcGEUa5ZxYJ-bbAhaONQQz01mgqfrWFURZMFq3qSrgxQKl_rqwzY1hKB2xfYVrawVu22nTcEcgnF0aJHQfVGdC0VniW54xTrwMgdy7ed4wpwhSWa-5zYKU2F0USW09g5v&__tn__=-UK*F&c[0]=AT3sSRMgRv5RbVRE4G_Znqi6Kb2Sc92SCtGzbHeT4zdBr6rY1WodgTt0JVY6fi0LGdlLuIR5OkHrIXn--DB7N1he-8vMMdGWueU3rN28fOchLor04I3P1F7tFMqC1uK5V-97DDphw5H8soXFpBisyH_jvShP7axtiop618F9ltK7eRG8xA" target="_blank">Treatment
wasn’t helping Naomi's anorexia, so doctors allowed her to stop — no
matter the consequences. But is a “palliative” approach to mental
illness really ethical?</a> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
makes me so furious. Of course treatment isn't helping, plenty of those
of us with eating disorders are unable to ever escape them - but that
doesn't mean that our lives are worthless.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And I'm disgusted by the people here commenting that it's her <a tabindex="-1"></a>"choice", the ignorance and inhumanity are breathtaking.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>very well said. My response would have also been spot on!</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Question to those to commenting that those with EDs should have the choice to die just to make everyone else's lives easier...</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
don't think people have considered the reason those of us with EDs ever
feel our lives aren't worth living - because we feel no escape to the
puppet we have become. I don't see people saying the same about cancer
treatment/ patients - there is always treatment until there really
isn't. Illness for an illness, this isn't a choice we have chosen to
live by. If it was, would we really want to not survive this beautiful
life anymore (just because we can't be rid of the ED?)</i></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Thankyou.
I've been so horrified by these ignorant comments. You're right, with
other illnesses, or disabilities, it's not suggested that people should
just die because they can't be totally healed. The only difference is
that eating <a tabindex="-1"></a>disorders affect the mind so that we
often *can't* do what we'd actually choose to. There's such ignorance in
people not realising that - we don't starve or make ourselves sick, or
exercise obsessively, because it's "our body, our choice", neural
pathways are affected and we are compelled to do things we don't want
to. If "assisted dying" is presented as an option, plenty of us could be
compelled to go for it, not because we want or choose to.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Eating
disorders can mean that we feel trapped, hate our bodies, and hate
ourselves for not having achieved more in life - but that doesn't mean
we should die.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I hope that you're OK - your life matters.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-genocide-and-why-is-south-africa-taking-israel-to-court-for-it-13044697?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter" target="_blank">What is genocide and why is South Africa taking Israel to court for it?</a> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
*strategy* Netanyahu is employing is evil. But genocide implies wanting
to wipe people out purely on the basis of racism - implying that
October the 7th meant nothing.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>legally
an oppressed people can resist. Oct 7th was resistance to 75 years of
slaughter. If you start from the 1948 nakba you'll see the bigger
picture.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Y</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ou are evil.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>lol you are brainwashed with lies.</i></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">as a Christian you're siding with the devil???? Really?</span></span></span></span></i><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You think I'm brainwashed and "siding with devil" because I oppose
civilians being raped, mutilated and slaughtered? The irony.</span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i>Let's talk dentistry in the u.k.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
have lost my 4 upper front teeth and others due to a combination of
being given incorrect information by my orthodontist and an eating
disorder. There's no option on the NHS to have them replaced (I'd have
to pay a grand per toot to have them replaced privately, but have been
told they'd just break anyway unless I have surgery on my jaws)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry,
I'm ranting. I guess my point is, the problems aren't only *getting an
NHS dentist*, it's also that "NHS dentistry" has been messed with such
that it both charges and doesn't cover having teeth.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>What is the greatest command we are given in the bible and why? And how does it relate to The Church today?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Jesus said that the greatest command is to love God. The next is to love others</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
know. I’m interested to know if Dr Ian Paul believes that’s the
greatest command in the bible and I’m interested to know what he
believes that should look like in the Church today. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>A lot of outsiders (and indeed insiders) would look
to the church and believe that love is not our priority and that it’s
not something we’re doing at all. I’m interested in whether those in
church leadership, especially in the CofE right now, then even see it as
the greatest command</i></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat do you mean by love?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>we’ll
what did Jesus mean by love? Again that’s a question Dr Paul could
answer, what does love mean from a biblical perspective?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
guess I'm wondering what you mean when you assert that the CofE is
failing at it. But I'm not disagreeing nor trying to start an argument
(I'm guessing that you take issue with Dr Paul?) </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In our culture, the word is too often conflated with <a tabindex="-1"></a>lust
or with celebrating other peoples' actions. The Bible of course uses
different words that all end up being translated as love. Most
importantly, we're called to Agape, which is quite different from what's
sometimes meant when our culture uses the word "love". </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Whilst
we're called to love others, we're also called to love God - our
culture resents the latter, and that impacts how Christians are viewed
(in addition to some Christians genuinely failing to be loving)</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
am just thinking about some of the vicious arguments in the Church of
England around blessing gay couples, not necessarily the arguments
themselves but the viciousness in which they have been carried out and
the pain they have caused. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I do believe Ian Paul has been a part of that process. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I know that there have been people stepping down from Synod because they felt abused by the whole process. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And then of course there’s all the stuff about Mike Pilivachi and Soul Survivor</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And church leaders accepting worldly accolades in the New Year honours. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
don’t think lust is anything to do with any of that, but I think that
by any definition of love those outside of the church would look at
that, especially when it ends up being discussed in Parliament, and not
see Christ reflected. To me, this seems a huge crisis and failure.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm unsure as to how he's contributed to viciousness(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I think that MP SS situation is horrific, arguably demonic, but not the fault of the whole CofE </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The honours system is absurd, but I'm not sure it'd make people see the Church as <a tabindex="-1"></a>unloving(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I don't know what's being discussed in Parliament that shows the Church to be unloving(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But I'm sorry I seem to be arguing, and we should probably both do other things</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I saw you as “conversing” rather than “arguing” learning to disagree well is important for Christians</i> <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😊" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t7f/1/16/1f60a.png" width="16" /></span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
should add (in case I gave the wrong impression), I don't dispute that
there are issues of a lack of love, and sometimes of bigotry, in the
Church <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😔" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t71/1/16/1f614.png" width="16" /></span></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>that’s all I’m referring g to really.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>There
were discussions in the House of Commons and House of Lords around the
church debate about same sex blessings and I’m sure this isn’t a good
witness to non-believers. I wasn’t referring g to any one individual
specifically but the institutional process that Dr Paul took part in
(rather than him as a person) however, I do believe he’s part of the
CEEC. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And yeah, maybe
people don’t see church leaders accepting honours as “unloving” but I’m
pretty sure they see it as “hypocritical” </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
read an interesting book by the Barna Institute called unChristian.
They carried out a huge poll of unchurched people about how they saw
Christian, “loving” was not a word that came up. “Hypocritical”
“judgemental” “bigoted” all were</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I've
not seen anything unloving from the CEEC, but I've not been following
it specifically. I have been following Dr Paul, and not seen anything
unloving (I have seen viciousness *towards* him), though I don't
necessarily always agree.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
think it's both the case that there are some "hypocritical" and
"bigoted" attitudes within the Church that must be repented of, *and*
that much of the public will, ironically, judge and hate the Church
either way.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/posts/pfbid0ZCERpJafsxPWzstyLRYSwcwandCS3sC76gdoL3c7AaWwBuAWiP8DCAuwSNgSGVmnl?comment_id=7506266859436733&reply_comment_id=283986381351085&notif_id=1704751971071714&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">C</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">reators of cartoon show Bluey have had a t-shirt which displayed its characters with a pro-Palestine slogan</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Do
the creators of the T-shirt, and other pro-Palestinian activiss, also
endeavour to stand up for other people in our world suffering amidst
conflict and deprivation (such as in the war in Sudan, the famine in the
Horn of Africa, the horrors in Afghan<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">istan etc)? It appears that only one crisis matters to people.</span></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" role="button" tabindex="0"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>who are you to tell people who to stand up for, we used to be free to choose</i></span></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I didn't tell anyone to do anything. I *asked about* the present situation.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
people actually care about human suffering, they'll care about multiple
situations - that people are focussed only on one situation suggests
that the <a tabindex="-1"></a>driving force is not humanitarian concern alone.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>it's none of your business, stay in your lane, we still have free speech here last time I looked.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">f
people have free speech, I'm allowed to ask a question. I wasn't
delving into anyone's personal business, nor attacking anyone- I only
made a comment on a public post. Your attitude affirms what I've
suspected.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>j</i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>ewish logic to comit a genocide</i> <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">[I don't think I should argue with this irrational, antisemitic nutjob]</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid0HwJYPKby96NHjuY9NsYu5d7fnKYLj3nPdgtwa1iYXPPY2yCkqcbJ17uqj9z3k9cJl?comment_id=335012459502563" target="_blank">Keep kids in schools - 1/3 don't think it's always entirely necessary</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
have ASD (and found school grim, aside from some awesome teachers). I
was forced (by doctors) to miss most of year 11 due to anorexia, and
that's contributed to long term issues. People have individual
situations, and odd days may make no difference - but generally school
being stressful for those with neurodivergence doesn't necessarily mean
that one should miss it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We're
privileged to have access to education that some children in our world
don't. There are kids desperate to go to school, but unable due to
poverty.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2024%2F01%2F03%2Fjunior-doctors-strike-affect-operation-waiting-lists-nhs%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2D-P6-2e4NU2fgnGGlISG_D__AXkEPBq4wjJO1mFzzyYT6RNhLcjfF6dQ%23Echobox%3D1704270067&h=AT227KNxIrdJvRby6V9BU1aszA5jwFaKQ5hfPj7tvzsla54GsyNK1wlMC0Hr9HOm73uNFPkYL_n9YwlnizA5egBz2BS3J0q8DLzwa8VyRQMBSPIsYS81xQCz8OG_Gs98gcx8&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0rQd2ACVJGvP06b9P1oGYttmW2Tqe8ACBxZtRPfgOgcxkCFEHmQdPzQhJBgi8ujAsRfZ6LqJ0fMt0bLqFpyXOMx1sWZxO6emfl6AGy4PFUwKafhOW_O344vb32SGePHnAVc1rrRGGO70icJhiL9T8na6WFvE4io9Pm1bo9q72MwGyTDQ" target="_blank">Junior doctors’ strike has “decimated” its plans to cut NHS waiting lists</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
selfishness and elitism is sickening. They will earn far, far more in
their lifetimes than most workers. They aren't financially struggling,
they just demand more because they think of themselves as so very, very
superior. NB, workers in general <a tabindex="-1"></a>have had similar "pay erosion"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>would you accept constant real terms pay cuts Grace? Would you accept being made poorer year on year, whilst having to work longer hours to make up for a lack of staff?</i></div>As I said, the average worker *has* had ongoing real terms pay cuts. <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64970708?fbclid=IwAR2LCBwP9owj9NK1NaTGAGRIBN4uOj9v82Qc0wCdO4rUQB9MVPkmJNsfg14" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64970708</a><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
yes, I would love to be a junior doctor. Some of us get the A level
grades but don't get med school places - some of us are interested in
being useful and not just in the pay packet</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>What
a sad endictment of this failed Tory government.... Nurses must accept a
decade worth of pay cuts because everyone else is now poorer! There's only so many real terms pay cuts hard working, highly trained professionals will ever be willing to take! </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
fact you didn't get a med school place is your problem only... And isnt
a reason as to why Nurses and Doctors should accept being poorer whilst
working dangerously long hours!!</i></div></div>Sorry what? This is about Doctors, not nurses - and the Doctor strikes are a fricking slap in the face to them.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of course it's my problem only - but you're missing the point, that JDs aren't necessarily such a very different species to <a tabindex="-1"></a>everyone else, they're the few who were *lucky* enough to get the opportunity. And not everyone demands high pay to help others.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Working
long hours is not resolved by being paid more. The funds should be used
to train more healthcare professionals so that the burden is lessened.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>junior
doctors aren't 'lucky'.. They've worked hard for their career.. And
have been forced to accept a decade worth of pay cuts! There's obviously
only so long anyone will accept constantly being made poorer!</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Obviously
paying junior doctors more will attract young people to the career...
It's not a coincidence doctors have left the profession whilst wages
have fallen in real terms!</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">They
are lucky (as well as hard working), there are limited places available, I'm not sure which part
of that you're missing. "paying junior doctors more will attract young
people to the career"??? You really don't understand that the limiting
factor isn't young people wanting to do medicine? There's5 no need to
attract more young people, we just discussed that more people apply than
are given places. In fact I hope that salaries aren't increased in part
because young people *shouldn't* go into it for the money.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
they're not "being made poorer" - they were in high school at the time
of the salaries they refer to. Salaries have gone up, only not as fast
as inflation but that's true for other workers - workers whose taxes pay
Doctor salaries, who aren't striking and who won't, in their lifetimes,
earn anywhere nearly as much as Doctors. Their salary in their *First*
Year is above the salary of the average worker - so they are not poor -
and then it goes up and up (with great pensions) <br /></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">It's not "pay restoration", as we're told, the strikers earning the rate bemoaned on their placards were in high school when pay was at the *level* they demand. The hourly pay rate they bang on about is only the *basic rate* applicable to First Years - in fact their annual salary in Year 1 is around £41k, and the average Junior Doctor makes far more.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">The strikes are supported by supposedly Left wing politicians and commentators - but make an absolute mockery of Left wing principles. There's nothing Left wing about demanding more money for the rich. That they're clever is irrelevant, "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" (Marx). People do not need vastly more money because they're intelligent.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Again and again we're told that they must be paid more because they "save lives". But so do paramedics. And all sorts of people trained in First Aid. Doctors couldn't save lives without nurses, and other healthcare staff. Nor without workers who produce their implements and devices. They can only save lives because they've been handed down knowledge developed over centuries - and because they've been through the school system, relying on teachers and other staff. They're dependent on scientists and lab workers who develop medicines and run tests, and sometimes on blood and tissue donors (we choose to contribute, for no pay). Many rely on childcare staff to be able to go to work and save lives. Most rely on a mixture of workers linked to the transport sector, including those who create vehicles in factories and those who maintain roads, to reach hospitals and clinics to *save lives*. They need electricians, and even mineral miners in developing countries, to have electricity and the devices essential for their work - and plumbers, etc. And some other people who stop people dying are those who enable us to eat, including low paid crop pickers and factory workers. Those involved in Aid charities, including the senior citizens who volunteer in Oxfam shops, are playing a fundamental part in saving human lives. I could go on. Many people are ultimately vitally important, not only those who get the praise.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Of course, many Doctors do suffer horrendous stress - but the strike is about money, which isn't a solution for stress. The money should be used to train more Doctors. And right now the strikes are *adding* to the stress of *other Doctors*. Importantly, not all Doctors support the strikes - and ultimately it's the BMA to blame, they're driving the strikes because *they* profit from member fees so need to convince members that they're fighting for them. And as some aren't aware, the BMA opposed the NHS at its founding, concerned that wealthy doctors would be less able to keep earning so much - it's opposed to the interests of the public. </span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Ultimately, as a Christian I believe that we should aim to look to the needs of others rather than to seek our own good (as much as I fail at this) - many people were raised to think similarly even if not deciding to follow Jesus, the strikers are of our country's post-Christian generation </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.premierchristianity.com%2Fopinion%2Fwhy-christians-need-to-stop-judging-celebs-who-talk-about-jesus%2F16905.article%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3o4fXAgLfuulVuDv20hLGI5gEiaRVA19A-6dyCehmr1m10sQ-QecIN5BU&h=AT04Wiq1YcMLjyLg1BjDmy_HyjtYUFDHIhXOMIqY6w68w9_KYYRgb6FMPL0haZ7-NbN8ihcLa5e5uL4yG4cfqLtxzOivEMG17A0wvhf5L7WjqU_f41EBlkq86YE7vGuxp0b2&__tn__=H-R]-R&c[0]=AT0r5DgHPlsZxZErkAQUjBe-gBMDyXOEocm4pATkwUXOqa32EshRDAYnXQTgLU36j3MGfQpTQqFf3Tlta4C_RuuHFUdqs2A5wVHA841aT_wYNIp-AatXIx4pWZvBz9gW9t-txPCZfau3NDwuUpJ6jHl6NAXW9o-bgSfkAQO6xezSFQVCYPFuJNc94nZ7VSxiqJv1BduBt2Nk5nVqTfdygsB3lXOcne-uXGsx5s5B2nI" target="_blank">Controversial US rapper Lil Nas X has been criticised by some Christians</a></span> <br /><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"The spiritual person judges all things" (1 Corinthians 2:15)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
should certainly have empathy rather than hatred for him, and pray that
he does come to God (which he certainly could, Jesus can transform
anyone's heart), being conscious of our sin and need for forgiveness
through Christ. I'm sure that some comments will have been judgemental
in a way that unChristlike - and it might be better not to express
strong opinions about this situation publicly. But in our minds we
should exercise caution before trusting that he's genuine in his claim
to now be Christian.<br /></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgaCfz63BV40xUVoQhTPBx7O-2KEblXvPpx_yJIi-0PJ0Vlv7Jx0T5TOK2kfBNSKpTUq1lYvdRZ96VcEWrVC_bwpBAA4SVqBOZ-E5xhsLCwsBGF0cyvS9wNwixwa4aUwypFc49sXArsv6j3kEA_no1FcEFL19o111nSDK9JPhSivP8UkBa6OaWhDP6_t3g/s640/415909686_771866178317508_4574391943600440418_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="512" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgaCfz63BV40xUVoQhTPBx7O-2KEblXvPpx_yJIi-0PJ0Vlv7Jx0T5TOK2kfBNSKpTUq1lYvdRZ96VcEWrVC_bwpBAA4SVqBOZ-E5xhsLCwsBGF0cyvS9wNwixwa4aUwypFc49sXArsv6j3kEA_no1FcEFL19o111nSDK9JPhSivP8UkBa6OaWhDP6_t3g/s320/415909686_771866178317508_4574391943600440418_n.jpg" width="256" /></a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
MPs (who there are far fewer of, and who are mostly at the peak of
their careers) earn too much doesn't mean that junior doctors need more
money. And this tweet is stupidly disingenuous because most junior
doctors will go on to have higher <a tabindex="-1"></a>salaries than MPs.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
this person thinks raising MP pay by £5 costs the same or more than
raising junior doctor pay by £4 (which is what they're insinuating) they
need to revisit maths.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Since
2010 Doctors salaries have fallen by 35% in real terms, whist MPs
salaries have risen by 38%. This is the maths that counts.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">LOL, who told you that? The supposed fall in Docs' salaries (they earn more now than in 2010, when their basic salary in their 1st year was £22.5k) - which is 26% from 2008/9, not the inverse 35%, since 2010 - is based on one measure of inflation, and given inflation the average worker has seen their pay decrease by a similar proportion. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64970708</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">MP pay growth has only grown as much as you claim in absolute terms, NOT REAL TERMS, WHICH ARE WHAT DOCTORS' CLAIMS ARE BASED ON.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">FY1 doctors now get £29.4k, so if you're going to compare them to MPs that's an increase of over 30%. </span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">And I already wrote that MPs get too much. The bottom line is that doctors ultimately go on to earn far, far more than average workers, many several times as much (as well as having good pensions, and job security etc). It baffles me that so many supposed Left wingers are so eager to defend the rich.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I think you are in a minority of one with your post, is one of your relatives an MP by any chance</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
you suggest I must be related to an MP shows that you don't have a
logical argument against what I've written. And if you think I'm the
only person who doesn't support strikes, you're very much in an echo
chamber.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No, I don't have any <a tabindex="-1"></a>relatives or friends who are MPs.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>If
you think the less of them there are the more they should be paid is a
sensible argument then you would argue that lib democrats should be paid
more than conservative MPs, you need to go back to school.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I didn't say that that MPs *should* be paid more because there
are fewer of them, and I ALREADY SAID THAT THEY'RE PAID TOO MUCH. What I
said is that the OP is mathematically incoherent for implying that the
MP pay rise means there's enough money available to increase pay for the far larger number of junior doctors.</span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Since Meghan's been an advocate for <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/worldvision?__cft__[0]=AZVbaWyPogBLEHXBiC1dBVHHPRypU3EQ8zrZx9Rfw7DUc4M3zILHfqNhKlPejnG1U1vOWJ4rde6Xp5brMn7gErwK-ORX6aGh-CP4mkbvABceJgecNLphbBvO9TBXKFvbKe3bUW6zscVBOi4ndMndf-mQ&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>World Vision USA</span></span></a>,
years ago I'd really hoped that she and Harry would use their position
in the royal family to raise awareness of some of the world's very most
horrific injustices. The charity is working with <a tabindex="-1"></a>victims of forced labour, and of famine. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
some in the media moan about Meghan is absurd, and likely partially
racist, but I do personally feel sad that she and Harry appear more
interested in glamour and in themselves than in helping the very poorest
(who are continually overlooked).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>invictus
games sentebale charity, Ukraine kitchens work with underprivileged
girls. I think they do more than enough I doubt you get off your rump
and help anyone. Many wealthy royals and people don't do anything for
anyone else but the Sussexes do.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Ironically,
you've just somewhat demonstrated part of my point - the world's
poorest people are continually overlooked (unlike veterans and
Ukrainians, who *rightly* receive public attention), I stated that I
hoped - on the basis of Meghan's previous role -
that she and Harry would raise awareness (unlike the other Royals who
seem to only care about Brits, or nature). You just actively ignored
extreme poverty, as mentioned, to talk about other causes.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Me?
On what basis do you "bet"? You don't know me. It's a non-sequitter,
what I do or don't do doesn't determine validity of the point. And I
don't have anything like the power/influence/resources that they do
whatsoever - I'm a nobody (lacking followers/a platform/audience) with a
long term condition that's making it seriously difficult to have an
income.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But yes, I do
avoid spending on myself so that I can give most of what I do spend to
charities working in poor countries. And each year I pack a few hundred
shoeboxes each full of gifts for kids (in the developing world or who
are refugees) to receive at Christmas. Obviously, I also endeavour to
campaign via contacting MPs, and radio phone-ins to raise awareness. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I wish, more than anything, that I could have more impact.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>ridiculous rant.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why plead to Meghan who is not in the family anymore, instead of those who are in the family?</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he article is about Meghan and Harry.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>so what? Let's blame everything in them if the article is about them. What influence do they have with the family?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not sure why it would make more sense to comment on people who aren't
the subject of an article than about the people who are the subject of
an article in the comments section of that article.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of course I'm critical of the RF, but <a tabindex="-1"></a>that's
not what article is about. Because of the monarchy, Harry and Meghan
have massive wealth and potential influence/listeners, even though
they've now chosen to leave. Because I'm constantly desperately
concerned about the world's poorest people, I'd been wishing that the
Netflix or podcast deals might have been used to raise awareness of them
(given Meghan having had an advocacy role with World Vision in the
past) instead of self promotion and chatting with celebrities. I wonder
how much of the very many $millions they were paid they've put towards
enacting the "compassion" they claim to be about. Obviously I also
believe that others with wealth and influence should be doing more to
help the poor.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(and obviously I don't endorse the right wing tabloids endlessly whining about Harry and Meghan)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQbJKJWtESSNgQdgxIauWTXbq0FHGzcALmVXq2xnxZYMgGJ0PwgIOV_y5NMmbDlJtet-IgnMWQnRNQJozY7HC_IfcbYSfmu1tl4Id-y4Z0zR4oUdS7TNGoV1-tAmfER6fT-uY_wY8bqxTGGetCMnYtKTCAhOpoN-UJGuTqKH51vZhJsDiUgvQI6CxxVrk/s810/12183971_1087817281229313_2893242292509591311_o.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="540" data-original-width="810" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQbJKJWtESSNgQdgxIauWTXbq0FHGzcALmVXq2xnxZYMgGJ0PwgIOV_y5NMmbDlJtet-IgnMWQnRNQJozY7HC_IfcbYSfmu1tl4Id-y4Z0zR4oUdS7TNGoV1-tAmfER6fT-uY_wY8bqxTGGetCMnYtKTCAhOpoN-UJGuTqKH51vZhJsDiUgvQI6CxxVrk/s320/12183971_1087817281229313_2893242292509591311_o.jpg" width="320" /></a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's^ large because it fits a lot of people, reducing costs per head.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Plenty
of people fund secular mega-churches (and the monumental pay packets of
the performers), they're sport stadiums and concert venues. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Some
Churches are not following Jesus at all - just as some of the religious
leaders in Jesus' time wren't following God (and He argued with them
continually) - but decent Churches can be used to explore something (as
much as you don't believe it) incomparably more significant and long
lasting than watching Taylor Swift or football. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
is absolutely essential that Christians give to help the poor, but
having meeting places doesn't prevent this. Choosing to follow Jesus
(many people who call themselves Christian haven't actually one this)
causes one to become more eager to help others than they were
previously.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you
have missed the point. Football stadiums and Taylor swift concerts are
not considered charities and are taxed. Every church claims to be a
charity, but then turns around and spend MILLIONS on self-serving
activities. Mega churches, private jets, millions of acres of land, golden thrones ect. all of it tax free.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat % of Churches/pastors have jets etc?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>a
percentage greater than zero. And so long as that percentage is greater
than zero, we will point out thoes pastors that do own private jets.
Private, tax free jets.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
really do not understand your objection here. If your position is the
"some churches are not following Jesus at all" why would you turn around
and try and mitigate their actions by pointing out they are in the
minority? Why are you not just as put out as we are, all be it for
different reasons?</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It
has always been my thought that if an organization wants to be counted
as a charity they need to make their financial records public and
actually do charitable things. And that includes churches. Cover
overhead, set a small percentage aside for growth, and all the rest goes
towards feeding the hungry, building homes supporting health care for
people without insurance etc. etc. etc.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course any % above zero is utterly unacceptable (and God hates it), but
posts like this imply that it's a significant proportion, enough to
hate Churches in general. It's like a conservative posting about
pedophilia amongst liberals, <a tabindex="-1"></a>because of a small %, as a reason for hating all liberals and writing off liberal politics entirely.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
completely agree that Churches which are corrupt like this are
despicable, indeed I am "put out" and more, my issue is the insinuation
that Churches in general are like this.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
I agree that all organisations should make financial records available
to read. But the post isn't about that, nor about tax (and lack
thereof), it's criticising large venues and implying that Christian
communities don't help the poor (this very much untrue). Of course, what
people think about Christians doesn't matter in itself, but it bothers
me that this is often a reason people choose to reject Christianity (and
that bothers me because I believe that Christ offers people the very
greatest thing, so I don't want them to miss on account of
misinformation).</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzN7bbq2ND4OmW5tj8uRqbeZI7BDh90jEnVV5DtECEWbbYMPcOlpDD2NjEon2_85h2hzqrD9Ws5Nvl62BNeQIiKwbzGVyfGuLHfGMyXWA9EqgFAM0jcOV48GS12ksyHbFL-2TFVrr6cSORKqjXmDQ6Q_Bgm43mucBQyuvZx64zrBluFblFM-5D3mBtUD8/s598/414001469_758987996256954_8585425192578229548_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="598" data-original-width="526" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzN7bbq2ND4OmW5tj8uRqbeZI7BDh90jEnVV5DtECEWbbYMPcOlpDD2NjEon2_85h2hzqrD9Ws5Nvl62BNeQIiKwbzGVyfGuLHfGMyXWA9EqgFAM0jcOV48GS12ksyHbFL-2TFVrr6cSORKqjXmDQ6Q_Bgm43mucBQyuvZx64zrBluFblFM-5D3mBtUD8/s320/414001469_758987996256954_8585425192578229548_n.jpg" width="281" /></a></div><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Fascinating
how she goes straight from "Jews" to "the Jewish faith", entirely
disregarding an ethnicity. But sure she's not antisemitic at all <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🙃" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tcd/1/16/1f643.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🙄" class="xz74otr" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4e/1/16/1f644.png" width="16" /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I had presumed what she claims, that people in our society feeling negatively about Jewish folk is a <a tabindex="-1"></a>fiction - then I observed reactions to October the 7th and realised how ignorant I'd been.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
those who talk endlessly about Palestine were genuinely motivated by
humanitarianism, they'd talk about other immense suffering in our world
too.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>no she is not antisemitic in any way. We do speak out about ALL the immense suffering in this world.</i></span> <br /></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Just saying that she's not antisemitic without addressing the reasoning I've stated that I suspect she is is not an argument.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And no, this group, and the many accounts and pages I see talking constantly about Palestine and that claim to be <a tabindex="-1"></a>pro
social justice absolutely DON'T speak about the immense suffering
elsewhere in our world. Seriously, I don't know how you can make that
claim (unless you can show evidence?). Millions of people have been
displaced in the Sudanese war this year, others are suffering amidst
conflict in other parts of the continent, millions are facing famine.
People have rightly spoken with horror about people in Gaza losing
access to water, electricity and food - but there are communities in
parts of the developing world who struggle to access these all the time
and apparently no one cares.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>so explain what part/parts you think is antisemitic in any way? </i></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">
….try this: Christianity means Christian religion people:I.e
Christians. Jewish means Jewish religion people: I.e. Jews. That is a
statement of historical, social, cultural, political ‘fact’….I may also
be ‘anti-Semitic’. But that is complex topic
requiring other complex but coherent concepts. NB: Palestinians are
referred to by historians and anthropologists as a ‘Semitic’ people!</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As
I wrote, it seems potentially antisemitic that she conflates being
Jewish with practising the Jewish faith, she's absolutely disregarding
the ethnicity. Being Jewish is not equivalent to being Christian or Muslim, in that it
can mean being of the Jewish faith *or* it can mean having Jewish
heritage (of course, these very much overlap). You know this - plenty of
people who are Jewish are *not* following Judaism, such as Stephen Fry
and David Baddiel (who I know are much hated in these circles, the
controversy around them demonstrates how well known they are, so the OP
cannot feign ignorance). Many Israelis are secular. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Hitler
did not kill Jewish people on the basis of their religious practice, he
killed on the basis of their ethnicity, it was eugenics. He argued that
their genetics made them different and as such bad for society. To
overlook that evil, horrifying history is concerning.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Since
you mention it, the words "Christianity" and "Christian" are grossly
misused - because previously much of our population was Christian,
plenty of people think of it as part of their heritage and label
themselves Christian when in fact they aren't committed to following
Christ at all. And throughout history, plenty of people have claimed,
for social reasons, to be part of a religion, whilst not actually
seeking God - Jesus spent a lot of time arguing with those who were
deemed religious but weren't following God's commands to love others. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
whilst "Jewish" can refer to an ethnicity (or a religious practice),
"Christian" most definitely cannot refer to an ethnicity - right now
Christianity, though historically common in the white Western world, is
thriving in many non-Western, non-white countries.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yes I'm aware that "Semitic" people in fact include a wider group of people than only those with Jewish heritage.</div> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education-and-careers/2023/12/29/labour-tax-private-schools-closure-prep-education/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1703846352" target="_blank">The private schools facing closure under Labour’s tax plans </a><br /><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Good.
Children should not be segregated. Growing up alongside those from
different backgrounds is part of education. Parents can help their kids
do their best via tutoring, engaging with what they've been learning in
discussion at home, providing extra <a tabindex="-1"></a>books/trips etc</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">One
could use a small fraction of the money saved to sponsor children in
the developing world - it's around £1 per day and transforms lives.
Doing so and talking with one's own children about this would help them
to better understand the world and to appreciate what they themselves
have.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>rather
than worrying about transforming life's in the developing world how
about helping the illerate on this country. We already help the
developing world with our foreign aid budget. If parents choose private
education that is their right, after all we are a democracy.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
Aid budget is pitiful, far more wealth comes FROM the developing world
TO the developed world than is given in Aid. And I don't know why you
wouldn't *want* to change a child's life when it's such amazing value.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I didn't say that parents <a tabindex="-1"></a>can't use private schools, I just expressed an opinion, as people in democracies are allowed to do.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>the
aid budget is far from pitiful, take a tour around some northern towns
and see what the money can do, or a walk around your nearest a & e
department.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL
what? Why do you think the fact that things are imperfect in the UK
proves anything about Aid? It's a mere 0.5% of GDP - and much of that is
in fact spent here on migrants. Again, it's far far less than the
wealth coming in the opposite direction, in
addition to the many £trillions taken over previous centuries through
colonialism. "What the money can do"? Far, far less here than there, it
costs of fraction (in the poorest countries) of what it costs here to
build things, treat illness, educate children or feed people. And our
healthcare system, whilst terribly stretched, is still far far more than
much of humanity has access to.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>yes
our nhs is better than most but this country and every developed
country have given tens of billions in aid and charity, or trillions to
use your term, for decades ( even when my mother was a child in the 50s)
and what good has it done? None. Leave your London bubble and look
around some of this country.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"billions
in aid and charity, or trillions to use your term"??? A trillion is a
thousand billion, surely you knew that??? You appear to be disregarding
very basic mathematics, and as such your points make no sense. AGAIN,
the amount given in Aid is less than 0.5% of our GDP, many times less
than the wealth coming FROM the developing world <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://gfintegrity.org/press-release/new-report-on-unrecorded-capital-flight-finds-developing-countries-are-net-creditors-to-the-rest-of-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR32BK3gactpPXYul_YOkZQwo7AhcapbBfEdKC2OztRASzxUa4z5jZIJx_g" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://gfintegrity.org/.../new-report-on-unrecorded.../</a>, and many times less again than has been taken over centuries.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"None"? You're demonstrating that you've not looked at the data. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">what
you in your arrogance chooses to ignore is that all developed countries
give this money and have done for decades plus charitable donations and
what has it achieved? Nothing. I used the word trillion as that was the
term you were using. And yes I know what a trillion is thankyou.</span>And that you think me living in London is relevant demonstrates that it's you who's in a bubble.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Wow.
I honestly don't know why you can't comprehend what I've written,
you're just going around in circles. If you have an actual
counterargument, you should present it, but you're just restating points
I've already repeatedly addressed.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"I <a tabindex="-1"></a>used
the word trillion as that was the term you were using. And yes I know
what a trillion is thankyou." - no, your comment showed that you don't.
And it's not just a "term", it's a mathematical reality.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>because
I'm not interested in what you've written. The same way you are not
interested in anyone else's opinion unless it agrees with your own. You
haven't addressed anyone's post, all you gave done is come back with
more s#<a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/t?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZXnzEZ3sLSMmR7sOCI0xcLvsJDEbtk0G_ueLjRsSJUvAcV9IcJw0yw_Sb24OWSdv8M8Mq7-O7KrgFtRdr49Zg6Z4JuuuiihBI70IxFwfgkiq6Bkhaju9SxX1nAGkxghKLzWLS7N5rulpewdMUdAigM8&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0">#t</a>.
When you've grown up a little and loved a little and leave your
comfortable London bubble come back and try lecturing us all. Until then
go do one.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">T<span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">his is too funny. You argued against helping the world's poorest people on the basis that the UK has given some Overseas Aid, I explained why this argument is fallacious for multiple reasons. That's not "sh*", and you're simultaneously lying that I've "not addressed anyone's post" (I presume you mean comment, it's The Telegraph who *posted*) and admitting that you aren't reading my comments because you're "not interested". If you're not interested, you shouldn't have started the debate, in fact you plainly just don't have any comeback (which is fine, I'm not expecting any, you should just stop arguing).</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">That you again refer to some "London bubble" is both a lame Ad Hominem and demonstrative of ignorance (given that there's plenty of *relative* poverty - ie, as compared to the country, not the world - in London https://trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-rates-by-region/; and that people learn about what's going on elsewhere via statistics/media/radio phone ins/social media etc - where one is irrelevant). "Loved a little"? I presume you mean "lived", which is another Ad Hominem. If you did mean "loved", that demonstrates a fascinatingly twisted world-view, whilst you're insisting on not helping the very poorest people and telling me to "do one". Rather than telling strangers to "do one" for simply replying to *your* comments on what they've written, you really should do something better with your time than starting arguments in the first place. </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://apnews.com/article/transgender-youth-emergency-psychiatry-north-carolina-0b1349f338d3110806fcbb2276e2e42b?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook" target="_blank">For transgender youth in crisis, hospitals sometime.... </a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Actively
enforcing a child's discomfort with their own biology is not care
(though obviously it's very profitable for the evil organisations
turning vulnerable young people into lifelong patients)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I bet you believe vaccines kill more people than COVID as well. LOL</i></div></div></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
I don't at all. That you make that presumption demonstrates a serious
lack of rationality and that you're entirely clueless about people who
don't agree with you.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Both anti-vaxxers and trans ideology are anti-science.</div></div></div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Here are a few of the evidence based medical experts that strongly support gender identity and gender affirming care.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Please show how they are “anti-science.”</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> list of politicised organisations is not a scientific argument. You are
advocating denying biology, and the many studies s</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Biology
confirms there are actually 6 different sexes. And none of the groups
listed base their knowledge from politics. However, if you do believe
that, you can always look up scholarly medical articles regarding
transgender youth.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">howing the dangers of
encouraging children to transition. </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Biology
confirms there are actually 6 different sexes. And none of the groups
listed base their knowledge from politics. However, if you do believe
that, you can always look up scholarly medical articles regarding
transgender youth.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
well aware of intersex conditions, which are very rare, but that's not
what this is about at all. This isn't about a child being found to have
one of the rare conditions you refer to - such as XXY chromosomes - but
about their actual biology being denied. Adults
should support young people who feel discomfort with their bodies -
particularly given the tumult of feelings during adolescence - not
reinforcing their feelings that their own bodies are wrong.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
literature, since you mention it, shows that the vast majority of
questioning children are OK with their biological sex post puberty if
their new identities haven't been reinforced - as well as that
transitioning does serious long term damage.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The <span><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1qq9wsj xo1l8bm" href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/kingspeech?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZWp2T-COZIlbZlleJMIPYgEPYHja7eqG4pOkGre4vJ7KMSciAOhYD2La1e96lW4HyHiHVdwHPWXGCNMzJ3H_Fe6lX87X7vS4S-cPmKnRqrZauQOHBmzPezfK1FhR0Ah98Q&__tn__=*NK-R" role="link" tabindex="0">#Kingspeech</a></span> had some good points</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yet Christmas is about the King of Kings, who indeed taught us to care for the poor and oppressed but ultimately came to the save the world in an even more important sense than mitigating climate change. We are offered salvation through Jesus, and eternal life is even better than Earthly peace, the resolution of catastrophes such as Global warming, or endless Christmas presents.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">My feeds are full of people relating the Nativity to the tragedy in the Middle East. We absolutely must indeed lament, pray and donate for those in our world who are suffering (not only Palestinians). But Jesus coming to humanity is not only about addressing the injustices and pain in this world. And it's not only politicians or soldiers who are in the wrong. We all have done wrong - but Jesus's coming, so that He could die in our place, means that a way has been made for our sin to be erased and for us to be with God beyond this lifetime.</div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2023/12/24/mps-can-feast-christmas-boar-less-price-a-pub-lunch-19973790/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook" target="_blank">MPs can feast on Christmas boar for less than the price of a pub lunch </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
wish we could give more attention to the reality that there are people
elsewhere in our world who are literally starving to death</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>and what pray tell are you doing or have done to help those people?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">here's
not much I can do (whereas news outlets like Metro have power to raise
awareness significantly) - obviously I frequently write to politicians,
donate what I can, and attempt to highlight the problem via phone-in
radio as well as <a tabindex="-1"></a>online - but I'm desperate to be more helpful. What do you suggest?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>actually
going to other countries that need help & actually help them
instead of virtue-signalling online for woke brownie points</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
would me travelling (spending money that could be donated, and adding
to climate change) to a country where I don't know the language etc
actually *help*? Do you think that a white Westerner has the power to
just magic up food?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not <a tabindex="-1"></a>well, I'd just be a burden.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What's
ultimately needed is for the ongoing extraction of wealth from the
poorest countries to wealthier ones to stop, if those who care all leave
the country there'll be no one putting pressure on politicians to make
that happen.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's very
telling that you think the only reason someone would make a comment on
FB is for virtue signalling brownie points, I guess you can't fathom
actually caring about something and wanting to highlight a problem.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>typical leftist. You'll complain about a problem but won't do anything to help be part of the solution of said problem...</i></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It seems you're not able to read or comprehend what I've written.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I read everything that you said thanks</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Y<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ou've demonstrated that you haven't actually understood it, maybe try again. And I have things to do, bye.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you've demonstrated that you don't actually care to help solve real world problems. Typical leftist. Girl bye</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o, I haven't, thankyou for proving my point that you've not comprehended my comment.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>you're a woman. Unlike a knife, you HAVE no point. </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/DoubleDownNews/posts/pfbid02Rk5XKf3PwLCHhczdCY2CDM25HqwTF7CmA12K8QAkhdahvsJmJ4UspTYdoZnrXsAWl?comment_id=350363594367386&notif_id=1703459246383275&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">'Jesus Would Be Killed In Gaza'</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Jesus
*was* killed. He took the punishment our sin deserves. He absolutely
taught us to care for the poor and oppressed - but that wasn't the only
reason He came. He offers hope even amidst complete despair and death.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>2000 years later, so much for the poor and oppressed.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
not sure what you mean(?) Jesus taught us to care for the poor and
oppressed, but most people don't follow Him, and even if we do we are
flawed. But He also came to offer something even *better* than the
resolution of the world's problems.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting 'Liberal' Teachings of Jesus <br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">N</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ah,
they're not evangelicals. The word is constantly misused in the US,
it's fricking irritating. Those who are focussed on the Evangel - that
Jesus offers salvation - won't reject Jesus' teachings.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont-dismiss-the-once-a-year-mob-they-embody-our-national-religion-z67gdrm70?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1703275578" target="_blank">Don’t dismiss the once-a-year mob: they embody our national religion </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Dismiss?
Who's dismissing? Churches were established for people to discuss and
meditate on Jesus - those of us who've decided to follow Him are
desperate for others to know Him also (since what He offers is greater
than anything else and we don't want people to miss out).</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>he doesn't offer anything, there's no empirical evidence that gods exist and your god specifically?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What empirical evidence should there be?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Empirical
evidence, via scientific methods and instruments, measure/s the
physical matter and energy of the universe God created.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>empirical evidence that gods exist and your god specifically exists , as I previously stated.</i></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That doesn't answer the question. *What* empirical evidence (are you expecting, could there be)? See the rest of my comment.</span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>there's only one type of empirical evidence it's based on scientific data and peer reviewed .</i></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat's
still not answering the question. Of course there are different types
of empirical evidence - we use scientific instruments and the scientific
method to measure and analyse different things in different ways.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>it's
all collected researched using scientific method and under peer review ,
doesn't matter what the data is it's all empirical evidence, do you
have any to show gods exist and your god specifically exists? </i></span><i>I'm
expecting data that's gained through scientific method that's been peer
reviewed that proves gods exist and your god specifically exists.</i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>That's the sort of empirical evidence that I expect!!!</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">R<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ight,
and that's still not answering. I wonder how often you read scientific
research(?) Data measures different things - for instance, the numbers
of people reported as having a particular condition in epidemiology; the
numbers of test subjects who respond to a certain treatment in pharmacology; the measured distances between objects in various branches of physics etc. How do you propose measuring and empirically analysing God?<br />However, many things within science demonstrate that the universe and natural world could not have come about by chance, implying a Designer.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>oh FFS , it doesn't matter what things you measure, as long as you use scientific method it's ALL empirical evidence.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It's easy to analyse god find empirical evidence that gods exist, if there is no empirical evidence then there are no gods , simples .</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Unless
you have some ,which you don't because in the entire history of mankind
not one itoa of empirical evidence has been found that gods exist.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
do you think that something not having been measured with our
scientific instruments proves that it does not exist? That presumption
doesn't adhere to the scientific method at all. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And note that there are plenty of scientists who are <a tabindex="-1"></a>theists because science shows the details of natural systems that demonstrate design.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
empirical methods and scientific instruments can examine matter and
energy or the universe the creator of the universe is not comprised of
those, as a painter is not comprised of paint and isn't confined within a
painting.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But I really need to stop arguing and do other things.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Have a great Christmas, truly.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>even
Jesus himself went to the temple… he didn’t create anything, may not
have existed and “his” story was written decades after his death by
several authors… make you choice on “his” truth and whatever the church
has chosen to make us believe for centuries. Mostly: obey, give us your money, it’s for your own good.</i> <br /></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Historians
agree that Jesus existed, as much as I know the conspiracy theory to
the contrary is popular with those who think it suits their belief
system.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why do you think that a human recorded in thousands of ancient copies of texts is comparable to Santa?</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Santa
is also recorded in thousands of copies. I don’t deny somebody called
Jesus lived and did some good deeds, I just find it funny that his life
was recorded a few decades later and that would explain why some his
good deeds were “embellished”. I was one of the
lucky ones who was taught the good deeds of Jesus from an early age but I
did not see those Christian values being demonstrated by the preachers.
You’ll have to excuse my cynicism. Feel free to believe if it makes you
feel good.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry, which historical texts is Santa recorded in?<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Thankyou
for the clarification RE Jesus existing. I understand, entirely,
feeling sceptical about miraculous events, that's distinct from thinking
that the man Himself didn't exist <a tabindex="-1"></a>at all (as a few conspiracy theorists have claimed)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Funny?
It's the nature of history. Texts don't necessarily survive for
millennia, but people also didn't write things down like we do now -
only some people read/wrote, they instead had oral traditions. Other
historical texts were written further from the events than the NT was.
See, for instance, <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm?fbclid=IwAR1h35GANt1b2TDo21Xb40f2ctHp_aW9rBZqWfy8iEVtQvW8xUugvTuVILk" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...</a> I'm
so sorry that you experienced preachers being unChristlike. Jesus
Himself spent much time arguing with religious leaders who were simply
using their position for power and who weren't actually following God.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Thank
you, Grace. My experience means that I choose to demonstrate fellow
human values towards others without the constraints of the church. It’s
much more liberating.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Wow. Again, I'm so sorry you've been hurt.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There are many Churches that aren't hurtful.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Though
we were talking about *Jesus*(?) That some people behave in an
unChristlike doesn't mean that one needs to reject Him. And
"demonstrating <a tabindex="-1"></a>human values" is not all that He is about - He came to die in our place, not only to give good teachings</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>completely, but the same thing applies to all the key men in different religions.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
does (apply to all the key men in different religions)? I presume you
mean that they shouldn't be judged on the basis of the actions of people
who claim to be followers whilst not actually following their
teachings/example? Absolutely. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">However,
the founders/leaders of different movements are different from each
other in significant ways (even whilst having some significant
similarities). Jesus did not come to teach the way to
paradise/enlightenment etc, He came to *be* the way. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Whilst
other religious leaders taught routes by which the ultimate goal can be
earned, Jesus taught us how to act but also that our behaviour is not
what determines salvation, salvation is through what He has done in our
place (and if we genuinely choose to accept His offer, it will in turn
cause us to *want* to behave as He taught, but our becoming more
generous/compassionate/empathetic etc is the result, not the cause, of
our salvation)</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://jacobin.com/2018/12/santa-claus-socialism-christmas" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The Socialist Case for Santa Claus </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">- Old St Nick is egalitarian and internationalist</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Indeed
- however, as a Socialist I was listening to recently pointed out,
Santa can very much reinforce an entirely anti-Socialist message : kids
are told that they get presents if they're good, they'll then observe
that their richest peers receive the most/best presents. It implies that
those who are rich have been better people.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2023%2F12%2F25%2Farchbishop-canterbury-praise-radical-left-wing-blm-activist%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2unPi1HPSmaPHCEoy6Rgcs_hVZZGOKm1FyFjp2Z1ZfCzRyURmVtgSe-Po%23Echobox%3D1703501424-1&h=AT1_ccMn5cpfkDkmKGEKP0VwekumkH0lEF1gUqolehc6r2N1MP902EymzoAQvpiO9ErgmUAqx4obQfmXy9CXAmU34PoXVrMpizXbCPoSxZp7HP7wtP3Tv_NlWg2sS3rdVpSZ&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0grTeyykwH-ERWTpy4rDox0auZ8sg-txf2NguV_0itXVInkXGiTwNlTw7aelZE10v440431OIkccTdOCcLs-GOlCgEXnzxiDaCOhbLZIyiDB7ZnTS2PHRk40bq74UUGxNMozbkScKwxOyM0wCkm8w0NxaDzzOqGN48UT2L4v_8lFucEA" target="_blank">Archbishop of Canterbury praises radical Left-wing activist</a></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Calling
people "radical Left wing activists" is meaningless without
explanation. Some things that are labelled "Left" are contrary to
Christianity - but some others align with it, and various teachings of
Jesus would have had Him labelled a "radical Left wing activist"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/christianity-secularization-america-renewal-modernity/672948/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook" target="_blank">American Christianity Is Due for a Revival</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">There's
so much "American Christianity" that actually not Christianity. It's
fascinating how people so often ignore Jesus on the basis of people who
(whilst labelled "Christian") aren't actually following Him, or because
they've not looked at the case for concluding His resurrection to be true.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/christmas/mum-spending-7500-on-her-kids-this-christmas-and-giving-them-60-presents-each/news-story/d9f2cb0abb6f1c28f305f617729aa5b6?utm_campaign=EditorialSB&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_content=SocialBakers" target="_blank">Mum spending $7500 on her kids this Christmas – and giving them 60 presents each </a></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
is what's meant by "spoiling" - she's making them unable to enjoy
typical, inexpensive things in life as much as they otherwise would</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Meanwhile
there are kids in our world who won't receive Christmas gifts and have
essentially nothing to begin with. IMO it's incredibly exciting that we
can give to a few of them (such as via <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/OCCAustraliaNewZealand?__cft__[0]=AZU0kMvzMrY2mSSnVl-jBsrEbq61pIa_GG1PzsDtCP6JsTqcWSGlKBgBG0YaMs6Tm8HDV1GtcdepTQZW6KM4SlYKEkpJq5FHA7cUkNeDdGiKgEftDQWpsmknjuP6Lk3D1QvBxqitQkOE9PxxecV4nrzk&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>Operation Christmas Child Australia & New Zealand</span></span></a>).
Kids I've looked after (as a childminder, I'm not a mum) have been keen
to be involved with this, children hate injustice and we should nurture
their concern for the less fortunate rather than giving them way, way
more than they need.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":r1e:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">BBC News has just featured a Christmas market for dogs, including a Santa's Grotto. I despair.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm obviously not opposing people owning dogs and giving them toys or silly outfits - but taking a dog to a Christmas Grotto implies irrationally imbuing them with human consciousness, and spending inordinately on things that the dog isn't actually enjoying, whilst there are kids in our world who won't receive Christmas presents, is worrying.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Bah humbug I know, but I've been noticing <span><a tabindex="-1"></a></span>the trend of people deeming dogs equal to humans, or even stating that they're superior,* for a while, and it's both daft and disturbing (great as dogs are). Sorry for the rant.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*this was epitomisd during the evacuation from Afghanistan, when I observed many people commenting that it was quite right that someone took up finite space and time at the airport to evacuate dogs, some explicitly stated that rescuing dogs trumped rescuing human beings</div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftrib.al%2FTyRRYRM%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1a998tl2bw2bwXuhh8VCijaHkUEWa5dcpDpfC6Wdioj5Er3RhelbGtaio&h=AT2CzHkShdYOezvP-xYcrzZ_jxnpZp4uy0ookGs7AMK4FTn-ZfoJ35H6ksRviDAobYzBTeiPGm8vtIK_EGbMDVy8ggh9IJAwdf5OqzKCdvrcBmo8oMJlY1VKcwNfV6rkaosd&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT2OVc74C4zGPdN5J1OHi4U-ed90slxh0-z9M2hCD5MqJedZJKjj6yWeDDkxsQfPz-VO1ETs_Ku8gLPLTQyJPPQeN-5stPblzpOIgyL2TzIg4yrGYM7ax29hIj_ZCZX1GSjCeU5vDaU6X2oW2XfALNW-KUtGTS0VvSk8GF2eOyH3bzUJCQ" target="_blank">Monica Roberts thinks it no longer makes financial sense for her to keep the flat that she owns and rents out in Bath </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Good.
People shouldn't profit from other people's working and needing a roof.
The private rental sector is probably this country's biggest problem.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why don’t you buy a property and let people live in it for free? Oh, you’re too greedy to do so?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That
really takes the biscuit for the daftest comment I've seen this week.
No, greed is not the reason that I don't do that, you have a think and
see if you can work out the actual reason, I'm surprised that it's not
blatantly obvious to you.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I could take a wild guess that you probably can’t afford to run a charity…</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Y<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">es,
I don't have the money to buy property nor start a charity (obviously I
donate what I can to existing charities). So I really don't know what
your point was. I guess you've just reinforced that the OP is "greedy".</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>My
point was to prove that you had no point in the first place. You expect
others to do what you yourself are unable or unwilling to do.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o,
I absolutely don't. I'm suggesting that the private rental sector
should mostly die - I never said that people should rent out properties
for free, they shouldn't own them (properties that aren't their own
homes) in the first place.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
may not have noticed, but large parts of the private rental sector ARE
dying, as it’s no longer profitable to be a landlord. And last time I
checked, rents were going up, with many tenants bidding for the few
available properties. Hope that makes you happy?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
system is messed up because of so many people trying to exploit the
basic need for housing as a personal income stream. In time, when fewer
properties are owned by private landlords, more can become available for
home owners and social housing</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You living in a dream world. People who invest their money in property do so to make a profit.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
know they do. It's probably the country's biggest problem. They
accumulate more and more of a share of the available wealth, whilst
contributing nothing - and people who are actually working have to put
their earnings into the <a tabindex="-1"></a>pockets of landlords, attaining nothing themselves and increasingly struggling with the cost of living.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> </div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/blessing-for-gay-priest-couple-as-church-of-england-starts-new-chapter-2nj5wcrkx?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1702715485" target="_blank">Blessing for gay priest couple as Church of England starts new chapter </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">God's
wisdom - having created the universe - is greater than human desire;
and He loves humanity more than we could fathom, so much that Jesus took
our sin upon Himself and died in our place. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">God
has designs/plans/guidance for humanity, including restrictions on
sexual practice. He offers us a far greater love than sexual/romantic
love. Eros is not necessary for a life with joy (I and others can
testify to this).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
protected the woman caught breaking religious rules regarding sex from
being harmed - and told her to "Go and sin no more". Aside from sex, all
of us have failed to follow God's laws, but we are offered undeserved
forgiveness and eternal life (heaven) if we choose to repent and
genuinely turn to Jesus.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/aussies-reveal-2023-has-left-them-breaking-as-christmas-nears/news-story/1e1c4bd17b907d3ba35f303f11e208c3?utm_campaign=EditorialSB&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_content=SocialBakers" target="_blank">As 2023 comes to an end, many Aussies have been forced to admit a brutal truth heading into Christmas.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't want to diminish the feelings of those who are genuinely
struggling - but it's also the case that our culture has misled us into
thinking that far more spending is necessary than actually is. It's
awesome to spend time with family, and there <a tabindex="-1"></a>are plenty of activities and gifts which cost little or nothing. Jesus was laid in a manger, Christmas isn't about luxury.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When
I was a child I received less expensive things than my classmates - and
now I'm so glad that I wasn't spoiled. Also, elsewhere in the world
many children really will receive nothing (though we can give, such as
via <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/OCCAustraliaNewZealand?__cft__[0]=AZVkEj4KB7ptXMOMUg3ApVeBQjVtBqnh2qxp--pnzg1oqezMXpM6iw4QqfXzvuejJQu3UpfRNTQ10g8sOQe-ZxWfKqXPBGza_D-wmrxttY8i2pq9hlJ4h95MJXGN4d5r0KY03p0P3CSU3doHnOtYtE3i&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>Operation Christmas Child Australia & New Zealand</span></span></a>) - being conscious of how lucky we are is a more effective way to be happy than spending more.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>came here to spruke your charity?</i></span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Aw,
are you unable to imagine someone just genuinely wanting people to know
about and contribute to helping people who are in poverty?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No, it's not "my charity" in any way, as much as I'd love a job with them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Would you rather that people weren't aware that it's possible to give toys to children who have none?</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/thousands-households-receive-free-170-31679785?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1702659219" target="_blank">Thousands of households to receive free £170 cost of living cash before Christmas </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
is just handing tax payers' money to people so that it can be paid to
profiteering energy companies and landlords - the government will claim
they're helping people, when in fact they're just enabling more wealth
to be taken from working people by the private sector</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/most-dangerous-countries-world-2024-b2464568.html" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">World’s most dangerous countries to visit in 2024 revealedMight want to avoid these countries in 2024 </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Might
want to avoid? Human beings live in dangerous situations and obviously
you think that we Westerners are just concerned about our holidays *eyeroll*</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Maybe you, Indy, should actually do some journalism from time to time on the horrors that some human <a tabindex="-1"></a>beings are suffering in our world</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/reel/1436634300219043" target="_blank">Don't
tell your kids what to do. If you never allow your kids to make
decisions they will not make wise decisions for themselves when they
grow up</a></span></div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Pathological
demand avoidance - when someone (certainly myself) is told what to do,
one (me at least) can instinctively feel far more like not doing it.
That's not an excuse for not doing it, obviously, just something parents
should consider (I guess <a tabindex="-1"></a>it's part of our stubborn, sin nature?)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/aljazeera/posts/pfbid04wCDdcL3iqYVmpSzioQ6TMJL1fbSjceTUuafq65RnszBDA8FS3D1f48vM8ajxF3Ql?comment_id=1349512139013288" target="_blank">African mediators report that they have secured a commitment to implement a ceasefire and engage in dialogue to address the war in Sudan</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
so frustrated that this situation has received so little attention.
People are rightly upset about suffering in a certain other conflict,
why don't people care about those suffering the horrors of war in Sudan?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://apnews.com/article/bethlehem-west-bank-israel-hamas-war-a42bbd967c27a68f71f8aace59387963?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook" target="_blank">Under the shadow of war in Gaza, Jesus’ traditional birthplace is gearing up for a subdued Christmas</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Jesus
called us to care about the poor - but most of the world's poorest
people are continually ignored. It's not tragic only when people are
suffering in the location where Jesus was born, God is just as upset
about the people suffering in the war in Sudan, or forced to endure
horrendous labour conditions in cocoa slavery, or lacking clean water,
or literally starving in the Horn of Africa.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Frelevantmagazine.com%2Fjustice%2Fenvironment%2F2023-was-the-hottest-year-ever-and-not-in-a-good-way%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1qwNTMxLVyqIDqvBYttFggrn8UlTmHyEMgwDWy2n72rt5GX_Ag32bONEg&h=AT1zeXF-Vk1K65-6CkG7Cp5TIaI82VE1-wQXR81yH-VKtPpT14VinAvu4LeWW8QrzIgsl6f7aqgWblTU18wSUJP0wCnuiszOkOiO_gQA_ILW9dnF90urHuP60YhiKchzv0Nk&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2uXTPN4z_1z25UqOy_NTIkKyBfj8tCwH9Ext-M_xhfHwDpF0wPws_3Ou9wKboG5GGogov0Aqtnx2P7TolshGejbnNw32PTC0sU8ep_I9hpFPsrs1MtDaDybeqI7wH90hF5JPyhEHYYzGUZnM2q2V9sU1q1XoFRkKgV9Q4y5Hn_f3AviQ">Unfortunately, the planet broke a lot of records this year.</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Its
shameful that this group has given in to the culture that believes
humans are a scar on the landscape and must be limited to save creation.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>God is in control, summer, winter, night and day will only end when He commands it. He also commands us to go forth and be fruitful - to fill the earth.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The culture wants to restrain and oppress human flourishing.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Man made climate change is not only an oxymoron - it is an anti God statement.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Pick
up your rubbish, yes. Suppress/encamp/control humanity for some
arbitrary future, guestimate apocalypse in which globalists get rich at
the expense of everyone else? No.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Relevant
get back to reading your bible. You only need to get through the first
few chapters of the first book to come to the same conclusions. Be in
the world, not of the world.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
not humans who are a scar, greed is. God wants us to care more about
those suffering due to climate change than our own extravagance</span> <br /></div></div></span></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">everybody
suffers because of Government lies. Nobody suffers because of man made
climate change. Maybe 'Mann' made climate change (Michael Mann) but not
man made climate change.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not a matter of government, it's basic science. And again, this is an
issue of greed (not "human flourishing") - greed in wanting to fly and
buy more than necessary, and greed from oil corporations. God calls us
to care for the <a tabindex="-1"></a>poor, and the world's poorest people are suffering from more severe natural disasters and food shortages due to climate change.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
God has control does not mean that wants us to be irresponsible - by
your logic a person might say that they can consume unlimted alcohol,
drugs or sugar and not worry about the health impact because "God is in
control" - rather, God calls us to be wise and to love Him more than
the vices we cann be greedy for.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>as
mentioned in my first response. We aren't given the right to just
litter everywhere because God...like I don't need to wear contraception
because God...</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
gas deemed to be warming the globe is the same gas that exits our
mouths when we exhale. The same gas that provides fundamental nutrients
to plant life.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>By
going forth and being fruitful and occupying the entire earth (as
commanded in scripture) we are increasing our carbon footprint as
declared by 'science.' The same 'peer reviewed, meta studied, Lancet
published ScIeNcE' that deemed we walk about in parks for only one hour a
day with masks covering our faces despite being the only person in the
park science.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Please
be careful of the evil undertones of the climate change narrative put
out by Godless sycophants who seek to serve themselves at the expense of
human flourishing.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>We only have the entire OT to warn us what happens when our leaders turn their backs on Christ.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Perhaps it might be useful to draw yourself a red line because I know you are sincere in your desire to save the environment. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>- Cannot eat mean to save the Environment. Eat bugs instead.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>- Cannot have a gas burner/BBQ/wood stove to save the environment.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>- Cannot travel more than 15 minutes from your front door to save the environment.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>- Cannot drive my car to save the environment. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>They will attempt to cross these lines and are already prepping you about it.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Only God saves.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yikes,
I'm well aware that Carbon Dioxide is necessary - that doesn't change
the fact that rising levels are a problem. We also need water, it can
still drown us.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If you
think you've found some disagreements amongst scientists regarding the
pandemic of the last few years, that does not mean that all science can
be dismissed. The nature of science is that some issues are less certain
than others - it is entirely established that human activity is
contributing to warming, just as it is established that the Earth is not
flat, the complexity of trying to understand a new virus doesn't change
that.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Going forth and
being fruitful has nothing to do with this. Aside from international
missionaries or those serving the poor, people flying are not "being
fruitful" for God. Frequently eating beef is not "being fruitful" for
God. Driving excessively, buying more things than one needs, wasting
electricity are not "being fruitful" for God.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
aren't being told that we have to eat bugs (yes I'm aware it's being
suggested, no one is insisting on it and the difference is crucial),
pork and chicken have a fraction of the carbon cost of beef and meat
will be grown artifically before long. Nor are we being told that we
can't travel anywhere, rather that we should make fewer unnecessary
journeys and should use public transport or our God given legs more.
Driving isn't being banned at all, but you really should know that for
most people it's perfectly possible to live without it (I don't drive).
And I really don't know why you think wood burners are necessary (unless
someone lives in the middle of nowhere?). Again, this isn't about
"being fruitful" for God at all. And it should be noted that the climate
change issue is actually not primarily about our lifestyles anyway,
it's about politics and corporations - but we as Christians should be
willing to adjust our lifestyles. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
our politicians don't follow God doesn't mean that they're wrong about
everything or that science is wrong. Again, our being greedy by using
more than we *need* is not an attitude of following God. We are called
to live sacrifically and help the poor, refusing to change non-essential
aspects of one's life whilst the poorest people in our world are
suffering the effects, is the opposite of that.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed only Jesus saves and is King, I never said otherwise.</div><i>Only King is Christ.</i></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.premierunbelievable.com%2Farticles%2Fsex-sexuality-and-the-purity-culture-what-would-jesus-deconstruct-wwjd%2F16766.article%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0ymP8P-Ro-OA_B8E3gRda3Kn4eGyDXlx_-vi5QBwk7t8TdvdpXOpMC4b0&h=AT1AGyDQ31-zlafFxgzXSFY2MkiX6G6wqmtXnZ-2sUiKd3zmSu1gOP7Dvejr3xFuP8ZuCBpmdGs3ojp1vaMPtd_KCHV19mxolJzlyd51iZNgQ8rDbrHL827ve_nSJgdcRGEv&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1VIc-bYIDm9Gb38l9mZ1_gQJE00hsAUjQCwhm0yUg2eQ84peACn1kn1brL7S_IvceUaMpEAeCrrZVcAT19bhHoti_SRK8ALnKhjNoICMFwAkWYKpKweu04zNWRk4ItYEV91tYxp_EEpduHfPLLYaCgSHItWq3bIScnVGMrOxOmQv5rWw" target="_blank">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">houghts on how our stance on sex may have caused people to lose their faith</span></a></div><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/togetherpremier?__cft__[0]=AZUUhsX-GdvsEdYejS0Fqj-wvA0CfBIjbu3DwLj-QBH0R5AKVjY872jCBoOqRCaN2Q-mDjdxGvp6z-SRHel8BJli7EcESHvd86QbtnZVmcRTqZCd9Qs5vm4y21YQ6XZdDK4lC_sOz1gaJTP1bMqbaLS5&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>Premier</span></span></a>, which means the Church of England, is going from Bourgeois Liberalism to Woke Progressivism, and fast </i></div></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o, Premier is not the CofE.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Not officially no, but which Church are all the leadership members of?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
don't know. It wouldn't make any sense at all to presume that they're
all CofE members - furthermore, individual churches (within a
denomination) are different, and members are not in charge of the CofE's
policy. When Premier itself <a tabindex="-1"></a>publishes things that are wrong, critique that.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Mm,
either that or I’ll just carry on regardless, after telling you to go
and read 1TIMOTHY2:12 onwards and 1CORINTHIANS14:33 onwards </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Honestly
that's hilarious. Do you think I'm intimidated or think that I must be
wrong because you misuse scripture and can't answer my points? Implying
that Paul's instruction to a specific church means that women shouldn't
express opinions <a tabindex="-1"></a>on Facebook is too funny - and
demonstrates that you have no rebuttal, you just want to make yourself
feel superior. You can "tell" me whatever you like, all you've done is
demonstrate your insecurity. Neither I nor other women are going to stop
making comments just </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">because you don't like us.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>No
no no, this isn’t just you ‘expressing an opinion’, you’re always
trying to correct and teach men; your timeline shows that you are
actively trying to set yourself up as a teacher. What other social media
are you using? Then we could have an even more comprehensive picture.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Just
humble yourself for ONE SECOND and ask yourself, IF Paul was only
speaking to specific churches, regarding women teaching/leading, THEN
WHY does he use Eve and the Garden of Eden as his exegetical basis? </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">LOL,
how am I "actively trying to set myself up as a teacher"? And no, I am
not "always trying to correct and teach men", I comment on things and
disagree with people irrespective of their gender.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"What other social media are you using? Then <a tabindex="-1"></a>we
could have an even more comprehensive picture." that's so funny, you
think that I ought to tell you about what I do so that you can assess
it? And you think *I* need to "humble myself", whilst you have the
arrogance to tell other people not to comment due to their biology and
that you should get to be judge of other people's social media activity?
Anyhoo, I do of course use another platform, but I use social media
less than I did because I'm trying to spend more time on other things -
and I reach more people using a different medium. As such, I'm really
not interested in any further comments in this thread and don't intend
to read any reply you make to this comment. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">For
the record, Paul referring to the Garden of Eden doesn't prove that
he's referring to all situations, as much as that would seem logical. In
practice people *do* use particular examples to make arguments about
specific situations. Paul also praises women with roles in ministry.
More importantly, Jesus doesn't ever tell women not to teach - and I
wonder if you'd argue that the woman at the well, or the women who went
to the tomb, shouldn't have gone and shared what they'd seen(?) But one
could go and on arguing about this, and I don't have time - more to the
point, this is social media not ministry. It's honestly really sad that
you think arguing against women is worth spending time on whilst most
people don't even know about God yet.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Anyhoo, bye.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As
much as I absolutely disagree with many of the things he did (and I'd
never vote Tory), Cameron did actively support Overseas Aid, helping the
very poorest people. It's fascinating to me that no one (that is,
amongst everyone arguing about politics, <a tabindex="-1"></a>including on the Left) seems to care about them (ie, they're never discussed, there was no march when Sunak cut Aid). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Many
people are rightly upset about people in Gaza lacking food and clean
water - but the people elsewhere in our world who continually lack food
and clean water seemingly don't matter. Each day, for instance, around
20,000 people die from hunger (though this could absolutely be resolved -
and most of us could afford to help several of the world's poorest
people), why are they ignored?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>i
think when we are giving aid to a country that has it's own space
programme , that are infact leading the space race currently people
questioned the need for aid ...along with knowing that any money given
to gaza will be used by hamas to buy more
weapons,missiles etc with very little of it getting to the people that
actually need it.....most people are in agreement that aid should be
sent in solid form ie; food,water,medical supplies etc but absolutely no
money should be given to fund the terrorists</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
some Aid is not spent well - as is true of all government spending -
means that it needs to be spent better, not cut. And are you sure it's
accurate to state that Aid is given to a country with a space programme?
It's stated continually, but Aid to the Indian
government has long been stopped (also, space programmes enable
satellites necessary for weather forecasting that farmers rely on - and
Interestingly India has been many, many times more cost efficient with
its space programme than the West has - but it's not the fault of the
poorest people in a country if their government spends on certain
things).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed the Aid
to Gaza has been a despicable mess - but again that (from the UN, not
specifically the UK) means it needs reform, not cutting. Note too that
extremists are more able to recruit amidst desperation.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Overall,
between 2016 and 2021, we estimate that around £2.3 billion in UK aid
went to India. While there are still substantial volumes of UK aid to
India, it is now very different in nature and purpose.14 Mar 2023...from
the <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fgov.uk%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3kYNfdLSYrBmkSzh6Tbfr08BlifT42D4XZfZ_GdDuIZSpvNX0Y1_nZG8A&h=AT16B5Xdw4y31wu18KXGI9-8lY3KZmQW5c80-Syn4CZKONZ9GSkwkaScr12UBo1UjIW_baBgzOVN18iNsEGCKvdfNyQobjQw7vRLJqEbGk1s6TuvzNBhV_p8SKW6c05QZuoo&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT07qFCiOUAgQj0bKWcjlVsqQoPSInLYgVwrqtjAiWlNsFGp9Jant92grPqdNDsfNzzq7mXD1QzXCjqRsKcMvrnnLz-w1Uql5iHqykYcSJvSBfxD1ilgvAS5qrYTx2mwITIWH6jsZn-3lQe9zWoQRdck-IBO1e6mBUZ7971Hwwwx-rCJug" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">gov.uk</a> page.....so yes we still
give aid to India......and also yes money needs to be spent better
...like on the very people who pay for this aid to be given away while
they themselves are losing homes, cutting meals and freezing because all
the money they pay in taxes are being sent elsewhere ...no it's not the
poorests fault which is why aid needs to be in solid form ( food,
water, supplies) not in money so that they actually get what is being
sent and not the terrorists</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Is
that to the Indian *government*? The Gov website also says that Aid to
the Indian government has ended. People in our country are not as poor
as the world's poorest people - and the less well off here in Britain
aren't the people paying tax (since you mention
it). Aid is now only 0.5% of our GDP, plenty of which is spent *here* on
migrants - so it's not at all the case that Aid is contributing to
disadvantage here. Furthermore, a lot of our country's wealth is the
result of centuries of taking from elsewhere (which is ongoing),
including many *£trillions* from India.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">its
paid differently but yes the Indian government still get it, the whole
world's problems isn't all down to us to pay for,... Those working low
wage jobs are actually the poorest in England now and the ones suffering
the most with no help... And what happened
centuries ago has nothing to do with us, would you expect to pay for a
crime your great great great grandfather committed?... 1 of my
neighbours grandads stole my grandads wedding suit in 1931, should I pop
round there and demand compensation?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">he
suit should be returned. But it's not an accurate analogy. Some people
are in extreme poverty whilst we are relatively well off by comparison,
because of what has been *taken* (enabling our country to develop whilst
other countries <a tabindex="-1"></a>have been unable to). And as I
wrote, it's not only things taken in past centuries - which does matter
now, as it would if your neighbour's great grandparents had stolen from
yours such that you were impoverished - it's still going on. Far more
wealth comes FROM the developing world TO the developed world than is
given in Aid.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And I never suggested that only our country should give.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
agree that we are not responsible for the actions of people in the
past. But we have a moral responsibility to address current injustices.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note
too that each £ can make many times more impact in the poorest parts of
the world than it can here - it's extremely exciting how much of a
difference we can make </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>speak
for yourself, you may be well off but millions aren't ....you along
with all the others calling for our hard earned money to be given
away...seem to forget that the government itself has no money at
all...everything they spend/give/waste is ours...the tax payers...and
all we see is life becoming impossible for many while money that we pay
in is syphoned oversea's .....as i've said numerous times most people
dont object to helping but that should be in the form of actual goods
not money that will be misspent at best and finance terrorists at worst</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not well off at all in terms of the UK, but we're all well off in terms of humanity as a whole.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
much of the money in our economy is from elsewhere, so we only earn as
much as we do (even on low salaries) because of that. In other <a tabindex="-1"></a>countries
many people work as hard or harder (for instance, some work horrendous
hours in fields or factories) but earn barely enough to buy super basic
food.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Reminder that Christmas gifts are NOT mandatory. If you’re struggling to pay bills, it’s OK to not buy anything.</i> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
try to buy from charities where possible -there are many charities
selling items (inc. unused items) through ebay, and some charities have
their own online shops (such as selling crafted items made by and
raising money for people in poorer countries).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Ultimately
Jesus is an incomparably more important part of Christmas than material
gifts are. He offers us the greatest gift - but he also told us to help
others.</div></div></span></div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i> </div></div></div></span></div>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-90325412425368423592023-07-16T10:49:00.001-07:002023-07-16T16:45:32.720-07:00<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4b3o3PJqoJMI8hU82-H5LSNrIfroyfi9FhMV7_6jqjxtLTruXUesFFYnirihiJdTgz0mMm3WVbNc8hJxQoy7Uq19j9Wll2m3DX0GBmln1P1uaRIz0-haUAiQzfy7BrMDmemIq7UctNW0sfeES_tX2kdPTRsddD--Bp03-86mz2javzvRHiFYaIvUsuHI/s2040/Redman.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2040" data-original-width="1536" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4b3o3PJqoJMI8hU82-H5LSNrIfroyfi9FhMV7_6jqjxtLTruXUesFFYnirihiJdTgz0mMm3WVbNc8hJxQoy7Uq19j9Wll2m3DX0GBmln1P1uaRIz0-haUAiQzfy7BrMDmemIq7UctNW0sfeES_tX2kdPTRsddD--Bp03-86mz2javzvRHiFYaIvUsuHI/s320/Redman.jpg" width="241" /></a></div><p></p><div dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1l90r2v x1swvt13" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id=":rjg:"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The fricking Torygraph thinks that <span><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1qq9wsj xo1l8bm" href="https://www.facebook.com/officialmattredman?__cft__[0]=AZUiRvMbDjzxzXmnnSgYCSDBJ4r3NAmZX6BwcqR8Y9jLhdQIxynCG7E7gkSIzEvqZ5csaDekVXgmr9ftu-vjgDEwxA6v3Z9J9MRT8RE89y14a7SJ2GheuzWrvA6djbfpXf_3qXwSGryu2fzJB8A9jGmIFLm-Hqha9hYaEvU8FtPRRPXCWcQwfmJzrJtti8S5vZM&__tn__=-]K-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>Matt</span></span></a></span> Redman is called "Matt Redmond" (presumably they've now fixed the mistake, but the headline was in my news app). I'm amazed by the stupidity, and struck by how this demonstrates the "news" paper's incredible ignorance of the Christian community. It's headline claims that the Pilavachi scandal is "tearing Christianity apart" but they're so ignorant they can't even get the name of one of the very biggest songwriters right, and they don't <span><a tabindex="-1"></a></span>care enough to check.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Parts of our media, utterly uninformed about Christianity (that is, Christianity *itself* and the Christian community - those are different things) are gleefully milking this grim situation for clicks. Of course that's what one should, to a large extent, expect from the media, but it's particularly evident when they foolishly attempt to cover Christianity. I imagine that people in other communities feel similarly about other "news" coverage.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The
outside world is much mistaken if they think that this horrible
situation is a serious threat to Christianity, our faith is in Jesus and
not a pastor nor institution - but the situation is, of course, a vital
reminder to us to be wary about putting people other than Christ on
pedestals.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
get that it hurts when you feel that you or the wider church are being
disrespected, but surely that can't be your real takeaway from this
horrible story?</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
Anglican church is having very hard conversations about safeguarding
and how it should be done in a religious setting. Against this
background a huge number of abuse survivors are hurting badly. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You
have to remember that as far as the general public are concerned the
Anglican church is THE face of the church. This whole situation isn't
only causing further trauma to vulnerable people but is a terrible
witness to a faith that is supposed to value both love and truth.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>This
article maybe exaggerates the threat that this situation poses to the
whole church, it also strikes me as hard to say that the media is
foolish to cover Christianity. Just because the coverage is negative
doesn't mean it's not newsworthy. The church as a whole needs to show
that it can protect the vulnerable and take safeguarding seriously.</i></div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">O</span>h
no, it's not disrespect that I'm concerned about (we should expect to
be disrespected - but not use this expectation as a reason to ignore
criticism, as some will be legitimate). It's that the Telegraph is
trying to report on the Christian community
*whilst* being clearly (given the ridiculous error in this headline) so
ignorant of it, and not even caring enough to have checked. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
I wrote a "news" article about, say, football, and got the name of one
of the very most famous players (who'd just come forward about trauma,
about which I was writing) wrong in a published headline, it would be a
reminder that, even if I researched, I know nothing about football and
should leave the reporting to people who are part of the fan community,
or at least consult them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
obviously not disputing the severity of the safeguarding situation, nor
denying the testimony of those who've come forward. This is an utterly
awful/tragic catastrophe, for them, and because of the failings it
demonstrates. But the Telegraph is just exploiting the situation for
profit - it doesn't know about what it's trying to report on, and it
doesn't care.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>it
looks like you are putting a lot of weight on a spelling mistake and
making a lot out of an issue that's actually very much secondary. While I
respect the fact that this group is going to largely be made up of
Christians, when we appear more offended by typos than abuse it's a bad look for the church - which ironically was the gist of the telegraph article </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It's
a newspaper and makes its business reporting on a huge range of issues.
Typos and spelling mistakes happen, but they clearly care enough to try
to hold the state church to account on safeguarding issues. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
think I wanted to reply because you didn't really mention any of the
abuse survivors or the perpetrators in your original post and that felt
wrong. FYI, the article looks right now, so perhaps they have taken this
as a learning opportunity.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
have Asperger's, I'm pedantic. Typos indeed happen, but it's their
*business* to check, this is a major media outlet, not an individual on
social media. And it's not just a spelling mistake, they've given him a
different name <a tabindex="-1"></a>(demonstrating a complete lack of
awareness of the Christian community) *whilst* trying to use his recent
testimony of trauma (for clicks - their own profit). You say that "they
care enough", but they don't care, they just want revenue, and the
mistake demonstrates the lack of care.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
presume that I'm less concerned about the abuse? I did discuss it, but
not writing much about it doesn't mean that one is less concerned,
there's simply nothing much for me to say. It goes without saying that
abuse is indescribably awful (and antithetical to what we believe, and
sin, and an affront to God), and that this situation must be
investigated, it doesn't need me to say that. If someone wrote something
about an aspect of a war (let's say someone wrote an article on Keep
Calm posters, or soldiers' uniforms), it wouldn't mean that they don't
think the deaths which took place during the war to be more important. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"you didn't really mention any of the abuse survivors or the perpetrators" - what? I mentioned a victim and the perpetrator.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Apologies if I seem argumentative</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div></div></div>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-76462986107226942012023-06-19T15:20:00.020-07:002023-10-02T16:49:01.797-07:00<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I reckon (as well as agreeing that men and women are different) that our culture should just generally worship sports less. </span></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="May be an image of text that says ""If you don't like the country song, you don't have to listen to it" -People who ban books and drag shows"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="238" src="https://scontent.flhr2-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/368049362_693079572861425_830842332865057406_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_s720x720&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5614bc&_nc_ohc=6nemGlm9nmsAX-RDOcX&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-4.fna&oh=00_AfA6kGt6u4AcGWQcFgNNkeEJHksLXEQK1PcRb6oxukxyeg&oe=650D4C37" width="318" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What? People aren't opposed to drag or sexual books aimed at kids simply because of "not liking" them</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>then why was "And Tango Makes Three" banned?</i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
was simply commenting that people are not necessarily motivated by
"dislike", wanting to keep certain content *from children* - in contrast
to disliking the politics of country songs - can be motivated by a
belief (as much as you might not share that belief) that keeping some
*from kids* is better for them. That is, they are often motivated by
wanting the best for other people. Since the OP doesn't specify books,
my comment doesn't need to refer to *all* disputed content, and it's
fallacious to presume that those who oppose any books oppose *all*
contested books. I've mostly seen opposition to highly sexual content,
and I don't know why anyone thinks that it benefits children to put this
in front of them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
ultimately, the minority who do oppose And Tango Makes Three may be
motivated by the belief (as much as you feel differently) that a wise
and loving creator has given guidance, out of His love for humanity,
regarding relationships (that is NOT opposition to the individuals in
certain relationships themselves, anyone who actually holds disdain for
the people themselves is wrong to call themselves Christian) and they
are concerned by efforts to influence small children in opposition to
this guidance. Whilst there are people who, unacceptably, hold hateful,
unChristlike sentiments, not all have this motivation.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.premierchristianity.com%2Fopinion%2Fwhat-makes-a-church-safe-for-lgbt-people%2F16405.article%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1v2bbpdxa9R_1tkrUKjX-juz8SgsCa5n9_OCDwjF3f6EPkdvepOAxae8U&h=AT1xP-0mpDhEc27vheHYaXR4t6rGh5IOaqq1R4Q-QfabMJCkaWS4n3DXVXDXY0-6giTqlAogi5-1V2MPonf7q-6qNLi2H5caPj-jdQxetkhJgT18GrFqbWsIzeXLfX0bmkUD&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1NgqyAlfw1v8o4sOedbU-BorAZhmIy8ik1iWLQHY2Z46SVCvKMiHFkVBwyL45QQ3tYYGv6GUDJTFsB36JCB5BwDlNFJZwtEPekL_Y7RP7I1WhgYdcmSC8UYhxmM-ms3NyqEpysHNv0HjWOCo_lhMD_63j8QMwjLgxZ-ewb0iRgPjm-4w" target="_blank">As a gay man, Andrew Bunt says that defining a church’s ‘safety’ based on their willingness to affirm a particular sexual ethic is unhelpful and unfair</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>If a black man were to defend a racists right to “disagree” with him for being black there would be an outcry.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Being Black is not at all equivalent to engaging in certain sexual practices.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>being gay isn’t “engaging in certain sexual practices”</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Being gay is being attracted to people of the same sex. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>People
of all sexualities, skin colours, hair colours, disabilities etc,
engage in a variety of sexual practices, and the sexual practices someone engages in aren’t anyone else’s business unless they’re non-consensual.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course (being gay is experiencing same sex attraction, not engaging in
certain sexual practices) - but it's the engaging in certain sexual
practices that the article is about. The writer *is* same sex attracted,
he's not opposing those <a tabindex="-1"></a>with same sex attraction,
yet you're criticising him. The report is about whether Churches affirm
homosexual *practice*, and you're likening *that* to being Black.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"aren’t
anyone else’s business"? I didn't say they are, but God has given
humanity guidance, and it isn't wrong (nor "unsafe" or "damaging") for
Churches to hold to that, yet this is what's being complained about (by
those to whom Andrew Bunt is responding)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>there’s no such thing as “homosexual practice”</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>What on earth do you think gay people “practice” that straight people don’t? </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I agree
that God’s guidance isn’t “wrong” or “damaging” so, if the church is
giving guidance to people that is causing them harm and damage wouldn’t
you agree that such guidance cannot be from God?</i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No
such thing? I don't know why you're claiming that(?) Sexual practice
between 2 people of the same sex is prohibited by God's word. For
Churches to uphold that is not wrong or damaging.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And as Andrew Bunt, I myself, and others can testify, <a tabindex="-1"></a>sex is not necessary for life, as much as our culture tells us it is.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course, it is The Gospel which Churches must focus on first and
foremost - but it's sad and concerning if anyone thinks that Jesus, who
didn't have sexual relationships and who died for us, is insufficient
for a fulfilled life.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>firstly
I didn’t say sex was necessary, but it’s certainly a “good gift” and a
good father doesn’t give good gifts to only some of his children
arbitrarily. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>“Sexual practice” between two people of the same sex isn’t any different that sex between
two people of the opposite sex- what do you think the difference would
be if you sat on my face than if you sat on some blokes face? Except
that I’d be able to locate your clitoris and probably wouldn’t give you
as much stubble rash! </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It’s
silly to argue God bans gay people from expressing their love as
intimately as straight people, why would a good God do something so
cruel? Churches who teach this firstly are guilty of idolising sex and
secondly, cause harm to people</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Excuse
me? The 2nd paragraph of that comment is, frankly, harassment, and I
genuinely feel unsettled (*Not* because of the homosexuality). Do you
make a habit of violating people like that?</div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"“Sexual practice” between two people of the same <a tabindex="-1"></a>sex
isn’t any different that sex between two people of the opposite sex"
but it is according to God's word. It isn't a matter of some being given
something and others not, some people with homosexual orientation still
choose to have heterosexual sex, it's the action and not the people for
which God has given restrictions. But for the record, it plainly is the
case that people receive different gifts - God has given different
people very different things to enjoy, different opportunities etc (and
very much tasked us with acting to help those who don't have what they
*need*).</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">God's
guidance is not *cruel* - He has reasoning (potentially beyond our
limited comprehension) for His differing plans for our lives, and again
sex is not necessary (you are implying that it is by claiming it'd be
cruel to restrict it). How you can claim that Churches are "idolising"
sex for teaching God's word about restrictions on it is beyond me,
rather it's idolising sex to claim that people are suffering "cruelty"
without it. God is more than powerful enough to sustain us and give us
joy in life without sex.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>violated?
You are the one who brought up the subject of sexual acts, not me,
you’re the one who wants to create rules about who can do what sexual
acts and discriminate against people based on those sexual acts, so
don’t you DARE act all holier than thou when you’re asked to drop the
euphemisms and tell us all exactly what it is you take issue with!! You
think you have a right to pass judgement on other people based on the
assumptions you make about what they get up to in the bedroom but get
all upset at the discussion of such things?!? Typical hypocritical, two
faced Pharisaical religious type who thinks they’re “good” because they
use eloquent and flowery words to speak death into men’s hearts! </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>God
gave loving relationships to ALL of humanity, and sex as a small part
of them. There’s nothing about particular sexual acts in the bible, the
bible condemns abusive sexual acts, it doesn’t say anything about how
the sex between mutual, loving and consenting adults should look, rather
the bible simply tells us how to treat one another: sex that is
abusive, cruel, selfish, arrogant etc is “bad” and sex that is patient,
kind, generous, honest, trusting, truthful etc is “good”…. Love is our
moral compass, not the contents of each others pants! </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And
actually those people who are homosexual but having heterosexual sex
are sinning, because they are not being truthful, they are turning from
their natural instincts.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And
no, Gods guidance is not cruel, which is how we know that theology that
prevents people from enjoying normal human relationships and intimacy
is not from God, because that IS cruel. Sex is not necessity,
relationship is, and by forcing gay people to repress who they are,
churches deny them honest, human relational intimacy. I strongly urge
you to read Vicky Beechings book Undivided to help you understand the
awful destructive effect this has on the lives of LGBTQ+ Christians. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>When
churches teach that we must behave in a particular way, sexually, in
order to be saved, besides the fact that it’s incredibly controlling,
it’s putting sex in the place of Jesus, it’s putting sex before love.
Those churches don’t use love to determine “right” from “wrong”, rather
they use sex, they use their own understanding of sexual ethics…. That’s
all idolatry. Any time anyone chooses anything over love they are
guilty of idolatry</i></div></div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">yes, violated. There was no reason whatsoever to refer to me personally (nor to refer to particular acts), I don't engage in any sort of sexual activity whatsoever and what you wrote makes me feel grotesque, it is a violation.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"You think you have a right to pass judgement" no, I'm just referring to God's word.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"speak death into men’s hearts" what are you on about?*</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"There’s nothing about particular sexual acts in the bible" I didn't say that there is, but the Bible does reference who is participating in the acts.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"the bible condemns abusive sexual acts, it doesn’t say anything about..." It's a popular fallacy that the Bible is only prohibiting abusive gay sexual relationships, a fallacy that's been repeatedly *debunked* including by same sex attracted writers such as Andrew Bunt. </span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"And actually those people who are homosexual but having heterosexual sex are sinning, because they are not being truthful, they are turning from their natural instincts." this is absurd, and absolutely unChristian. The Bible does not say that we must follow our "natural instincts", our "natural instincts" can include all sorts of stupidity and selfishness, God calls us to follow Him instead. That you accuse people in straight relationships who are same sex attracted of sin is pretty shocking - and sin is to deviate from God's guidance, not to deviate from following one's own urges.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"because that IS cruel" no, it isn't, because sex is not necessary, we're really going round in circles here, and again you're making an idol of sex.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"When churches teach that we must behave in a particular way, sexually, in order to be saved" that's not what this is about. The Churches being criticised are being criticised (by the group in Oxford to whom Bunt is responding) are being criticised for not *affirming gay sexual relationships*. It's only Jesus who saves, *all* of us have sinned but can choose to turn to Jesus and away from things that God has prohibited (we will want to follow His guidance if we're committed to Him, but it's not the following of that guidance that actually *saves* us)</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"churches deny them honest, human relational intimacy" no, because relational intimacy does not require sex. You've said "I didn’t say sex was necessary", yet you *are* saying that it is.</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">"Any time anyone chooses anything over love they are guilty of idolatry" you're literally making an idol out of *your definition* of love. It's God who we worship, and God's love for humanity includes guidance, </span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">He doesn't tell us to do whatever our feelings suggest.</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> But He gives us more than enough joy and fulfilment in life</span><br /><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;">*Rhetorical, I won't read any further comments, I need to do other things.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbc.co.uk%2Fradio%2Fpresenters%2Fjames-obrien%2Fnavy-veteran-on-benefits%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2H98ZTfqwioF_0Dsn-KPrkwLpiV0gH0L_HPc-sW0XhivWtr8ktgJHoexk&h=AT2zYNmfOjYvRJp2UL2LcdgHPdjhtmYNG9tte_1QqtUKRLiccPRXgJ_OeqDgVJ6CDZokJZb6F99aOnRBV33nir4NOxH-RGGBIElN6afF4JGtsycxwU9swjXzZF0VnoudAYtB&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1kaCYR8mZ0EtQawwRhQE0xDd8xIyF2l7MucFU_BhZQWw_JRshtowZYiZP7ALsd11Z8YZTEFXm2f_-MmICcv8bNy6BvLJV5ojjPmZeTOb1fjf9h2J91_xi0PPuCrJtm5MOSVVM35MPWVig9PttlDd7ELJ_EYdolDUo-liF2FY5tYoCe4w"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">A
veteran who was medically discharged from the navy says he feels
"worthless" after hearing Chancellor Jeremy Hunt comments on the welfare
system</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've
felt worthless because I couldn't get work that I'd be able to manage
(given diagnosed conditions for which I'd previously been hospitalised) -
and the DWP was consistently useless when I sought help finding work
(though I know that there are some excellent and caring DWP staff). The
government needs sort out actually helping people into jobs that they
can do, right now it's wasting tax payers' money and jobseekers' time.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheDailyPolitik/posts/pfbid02ZXB2cBp6c4U4QMrxJxukPL8K2J6LrD8h2w7bU5L1t39vaPadLphr9dgsLxJYRYQvl?comment_id=1038445590519178&reply_comment_id=168132429667384&notif_id=1695391391511033&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif" target="_blank">QT Audience Member denies that the average JuniorDoctor makes £55k and the average Consultant £130k</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Final audience member just denying outright basic facts about salaries.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/grace.hb.dalton?__cft__[0]=AZXYXepuTXKxmrv8HOrEOeDq8PTvLxWja5PspA7nKzUr_qWBls2aJrUiQsCcTnTNTG6IOJcVYISwGztCAycDTmI5iI1zUdYvPVyf12bww6Hx-bnIZx71mpu9zQMWP5Y4GzaMh0tVh9F4uWEZOzVTS0CmDEEsc7qPNP5o-3ybdYqhGA&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span></span></span></a>imbecile tory enabler back posting bollocks again.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Do tell, how exactly am I enabling Tories, and what about my comment is incorrect?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">supporting
a tory spouting NHS privatising groupie makes you by association a tory
enabler. Your comment is deflective shit focussing on the amount a
consultant earns - as was the premise of the pro-tory discussion on that
so-called program - rather than the dire salary increases for all over
13 years as well as conveniently avoiding the inconvenent issue of lack
of safety in the NHS and deteriorating services as also being WHY the
strikes are taking place. Your entire statement is a feeble not even
half but fraction of a truth - a half truth is a full lie. Finally - you
have form of coming onto this forum spouting tory supporting rubbish,
deflective gaslighting guff and then getting hung up on a tiny minutiae
rather than the issue to obfuscate and perpetuate lies. Did I miss
anything? No, it's who and what you are....</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
NOT supporting the Tories nor privatisation. I *only commented on what
was said by one member of the audience*, because of his confidence in
rejecting reality, which went uncorrected, stood out to me. If you're OK
with denying <a tabindex="-1"></a>facts, that's up to you.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Your paragraph of non-sensical attempts at insulting me is really very funny.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You
shouldn't con yourself into thinking that you're on the side of the
poor and of social justice if you think that people on 6 figure salaries
should get more money. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">PS:
did you - whilst you irrationally accuse me of supporting privatisation
- know that the BMA staunchly opposed the establishment of the NHS? It
exists to make doctors (who pay into it) rich. The doctors I know
personally are opposed to the strikes - they got into medicine because
they actually want to help people.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><u>Ben Shapiro Defends Russel Brand </u></span><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
should read/hear his own words from the time. He was utterly gross -
and many things that he said, and wrote in his memoirs, both suggest it
likely that the women aren't lying, and show that he actively fuelled
perverted, predatory attitudes. Why <a tabindex="-1"></a>are you rightly critical of others in the public eye who spew filth yet defending Russel Brand?</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><u>Rishi Sunak announces ban on American XL Bully dogs following deadly attacks </u></span><br /><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">These comments <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🙄" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4e/1/16/1f644.png" width="16" /></span> "ban the owners!" </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
exactly is the government going to ban people? It's like Americans
defending guns saying "people are the problem". BOTH a weapon (in this
case a dog) and its owner are part of an attack, it's far more possible that
the weapons are banned than the humans. Do you guys not care about the
victims of these attacks? Do you think dogs matter more than children?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>sure
because killing thousands of family dogs because of 10 deaths in 4 yrs
out of 12 million dogs is ok. whether you like it or not you have NO
more right to this planet then any other species. Considering the
things we do like this we have less right.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"killing"?
He didn't say that. They should be no longer bred, and no longer freely
owned. "thousands of family dogs"? They are absolutely not family dogs,
families aren't choosing these. They're weapons and status symbols,
people spend on <a tabindex="-1"></a>them so that they can look tough. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"10
deaths in 4 yrs"? They've caused 70% of human dog attack deaths though
they make up just 1% of the dog population - additionally, they've
killed many other dogs, you should care about them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Fopinion%2Famerican-bully-studied-years-breed-not-owner-problem-2607849%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0A6qB0mbb1rd2ZpsT5XvNK2wiDhRnKvAmJPSg1dMl2akKyz1LKohAT_dI&h=AT05aCaJqpAGU4j2jboI_j0dWG24q6H_KQ-nWU8C5FxrVlVWZjdRwdNzgdEIOwfqGACDPGNV6bd8LwDRuu0KAl3nGmwlVY8qDL75mFyt5WIqdMdfjFmFnMbtZKn7PTpCe_DB&__tn__=R" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://inews.co.uk/.../american-bully-studied-years...</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Right
to this planet"? That's not what this is about, it's about human beings
breeding and owning a breed. But dogs are absolutely are not equal to
humans, it's insane and vile that you're equating them with children.
Tell me, is an ant equal to a dog? No, a dog is incomparably more
important, and a human is more important still. Things that are alive
are NOT all equal, and only humans have the capacity to even think about
value and about philosophical questions.</div> </div></div></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">[Kamala Harris quote about women "making decisions" about their own bodies" and living "free from hate and violence"] Abortion
is not just about our own bodies, an abortion is about someone else's
body - and life - that's the issue. And it's absolutely violent, since
she mentions it.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>the rights of an unborn fetus that can’t function outside a human body does not trump the woman carrying it.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why? Because you say so? Because the unborn doesn't have the opportunity to object?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not a matter of one person's rights vs another's - the woman doesn't
stand to be killed (and the unborn didn't bring about the situation, the
parents did) <br /></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>“The
unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never
make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the
incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your
condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike
widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they
don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t
bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike;
they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating
or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget
about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and
advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth,
power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures,
apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the
perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually
dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor?
Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the
Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart</i></div></div></span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's a whole lot of whataboutism. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You
incorrectly presume that I'm generally Right leaning and don't care
about other groups. That some people and politicians who oppose abortion
don't care about the poor doesn't mean that everyone who's not
pro-abortion doesn't care about the poor, nor does it *change anything
about whether abortion is OK*.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
fact my biggest concern (much more than abortion) is the suffering of
the *world's* very poorest people and those in modern slavery, I'd love
to know why they're so overlooked (by pages like this one, politicians
like KH, etc, who supposedly care about social justice and the
disadvantaged) <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>why not push mandatory blood, platelet, bone marrow, and organ donation? That's more beneficial to someone else's body.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's whataboutism.<br />And not providing a donation is not the same as actively killing someone (someone who was put in the situation due to the parents', now choosing abortion, decision - in contrast to disease being what leads to the situation of donation being needed).<br />But frankly yes, people should generally be expected to donate - I'm amazed that, so far as I'm aware(?)payment for donation of blood or plasma is a thing in the US, here in Britain those of us who donate do so because we want to help (I presume that many American blood donors would feel similarly), the only payment is a biscuit ("cookie") </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>my body, my choice. It's not a "someone" until it can sustain it's own life independent of a host body.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why do you assume everyone has the same religion you do?</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A baby that's just been born still can't "sustain themselves", sustaining
oneself is not the definition of a living human. I wouldn't argue about
abortions within the first several months - but by the end of the first
trimester, they have all <a tabindex="-1"></a>their organs and neural function is developing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, it's not just the woman's body. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I didn't mention religion. I'd have thought that you don't need religion to oppose killing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>the rights of an unborn fetus that can’t function outside a human body does not trump the woman carrying it.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why? Because you say so? Because the unborn doesn't have the opportunity to object?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not a matter of one person's rights vs another's - the woman doesn't
stand to be killed (and the unborn didn't bring about the situation, the
parents <a tabindex="-1"></a>did)</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>a
fetus is not alive. If it cannot survive outside the woman it doesn’t
have a right. Why does the fetuses rights trump the woman’s? If you can
give me an honest answer maybe you will change my mind but until then
I’m sorry you are in the wrong.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"a
fetus is not alive"? So we're just denying basic biology now?
Seriously, how can you say that? NB, only living things grow - and the
unborn eventually kicks.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't say that their rights "trump" the woman's, her life is not about
to be ended. If the rich wanted to eliminate the homeless because they
don't like looking at them, it would be wrong to say that their "right"
(to not see what they don't want to) is being unjustly disregarded, the
stakes aren't the same for the 2 parties.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>a
fetus is not alive until it can survive outside the woman. Listen I’m
done taking to you. YOU are what is wrong with this world. You want to
make life changing decisions for someone else without a care in the
world for the person that is affected. I promise if someone told you,
you had to tie your tubes till you were ready to have babies you would
tell and fight it. But sure make a woman carry a baby to term and put
her life at risk ( pregnancy comes with all sorts of complications and
problems you can’t say otherwise) but don’t help her yourself. Anyways
I’m done. Respond if you want but I won’t read it. I wasted enough time
on your stupidness.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
really can't get my head around how you think that the unborn is not
alive. No, I wouldn't oppose having my tubes tied, except that the
procedure would be a waste of medical resources.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Abortion has risks and complications (for the woman as well as the unborn)</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid02vVSDarojq3WLRCC1va29nFyCF4bJkTGLbLwVLPMHw6TzuGY98BRnkbSEKL6RpnsHl?comment_id=1362047194694983&reply_comment_id=1707732663004398&notif_id=1693684011591412&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif">England always has been and always will be a Christian country</a></span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Being
a Christian is a personal commitment to following Jesus, the word
shouldn't be used as a cultural label. The norm in the UK is to presume
that He, or His resurrection, are just myth, without awareness for the
rational arguments for concluding <a tabindex="-1"></a>Christianity to actually be true. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
it's right to criticise the discussed survey results, they're utterly
disingenuous. And for the record, migration is keeping Christianity
alive in Britain</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>if it was a personal commitment there wouldn't be a problem. The fact that it is a public commitment causes all the trouble.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat public commitment exactly?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Oh I dunno how about going to church every Sunday. Or marching through the streets of Northern Ireland playing a penny whistle.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>3 rules to make the world a better place...</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>1. Believe in what you like.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>2. Don't do it in public.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>3. Don't tell me I'm wrong for believing something different.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">LOL what? Who's making people go to Church every Sunday?</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why do you think that specific community traditions in Ireland are relevant?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Who said that you can't believe what you like?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do <a tabindex="-1"></a>what in public exactly?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People
are all telling others they're wrong all the time (though I've not
said/written to a non Christian "you're wrong", nor observed other
Christians doing so), about all sorts of things, why is that a problem?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>nobody
is making people go to church. Going to church neither strengthens or
weakens your faith. Going to church is merely an exercise in telling
everyone else that you have faith. The tradition I used as an example
is nothing more than a public display of...."my way
of worshipping God is better than your way". It serves no other
purpose. If it did they would not feel the need to do it in Protestant
areas. 99% of the population of humanity has died because of either a)
Territorial disputes or..</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>b) My God is better than your God.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If everyone kept their God to themselves no one would die because of it.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So why did you mention going to Church as a "public commitment"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
going to Church is not at all "merely an exercise in telling everyone
else that you have faith", who is it telling? People go to hear
teaching, to worship God and to meet <a tabindex="-1"></a>with other like-minded people. I'm not sure what you're getting at, or what you mean by "Protestant areas".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">99%?
Where are you getting that from exactly? Have not most human beings
died from ill health (including that associated with old age)? The
numbers of people killed by atheist dictators are far higher than those
killed in "religious wars". But you touch on an important point -
territorial disputes. Human beings are tribal and power hungry. In
various cultures, claiming to be fighting for a deity has been an
obvious way for leaders to enthuse their people into obeying command -
but it's ultimately a matter of wanting more power and resources. What
one should assess for themselves are the actual teachings of Jesus (and
other figures, and observe the distinctions).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You
really don't get religious hatred do you? Catholics desire the right
to march through protestant areas. Why do you think that is?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>South America didn't convert to Christianity by choice, nobody cared about their "other figures of worship".
Nobody benefits from standing in a cold room on a Sunday listening to a
bloke in a dress reading excerpts from a book they already own and have
read.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>All I'm saying is.....</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Keep it to yourself, read the good book at home and the world will be a better place.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Catholics
desire the right to march" it's a matter of tradition and territory,
what's your point? It's nothing to do with Christianity.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"South America didn't convert to Christianity by choice"? See earlier comments.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Nobody benefits from <a tabindex="-1"></a>standing
in a cold room on a Sunday listening to a bloke in a dress" - again,
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, you evidently aren't
familiar with Churches. People sit during a sermon, and only some are
cold or include robe-wearing (not ones I've attended). And yikes, why do
you think that no one benefits from going to Church? There are plenty
of studies showing that they do. Sermons aren't only hearing the Bible,
though that's invaluable (and plenty of people attend events where they
listen to things even if they could read a book themselves), they're
talks in which the Bible is discussed and explained. Again I'm not sure
what point you're trying to make - why are you bothered by people going
to Church, whatever the temperature or attire?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What does "keep it to yourself" mean exactly? What's supposedly going to "make the world a better place"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>oh bless you sweetheart. I'll try and make it as simple as I can....</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Religious
hatred exists, it has been the downfall of man for centuries. If I
don't know what your religious beliefs are, I can't hate you for them.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>A Catholic desiring the right to march in a Protestant area is fueling religious hatred.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>All
over a book written 400 years after the death of Jesus by a bunch of
goatherders that didn't know where the sun went at night.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You can call your religious hatred "tradition" all you like, it's still hatred.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not sure what you mean by "religious hatred" -Jesus commanded us to
love our enemies, so if someone is acting in a hateful way, it's not
because of *actual* Christianity (the following of Jesus).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You seem not to be reading what I'm saying <a tabindex="-1"></a>-
human beings are tribal and territorial, and some simply *claim*
"religion" as an excuse for acting out their tribalism. Catholics
marching has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't know why you think that the Bible was "written 400 years after
the death of Jesus by a bunch of goatherders", that's not the historical
reality at all - who told you that? <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bible.ca%2Fef%2Ftopical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR38X3y-R1OfZBwNawXVV5i_iMY4c_iQE8oGILzHRy-pFF9SHv6AZtPOpBI&h=AT0wFPCaq91EQmwqDV9EO6qE1Dvtbc_tDD23YgFKZlDjcDZnUJkFSeAeuVl3Ficmvd2Buih7_db1PhG3UrUYV7UnQCZUEu8MJKXYQ8SYacKsQUd4p4-qLQg-tYk9ZJCGOROC&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT1FEyuukLhNu4oV4tpU4V1Hr9DYRYbqt6Nyv8fVQYtPUgy_7lm-M1hdF9v8t1SOZTaDdHDJJ-In-05WuWmemaRKNywXx-FG6R1p7yYWBkcjMN25qF73AKVQZ69HCTUWypU-6fR8-6mpVCgqmsMn_OQ7yCwuTP1c0Ca68IaGUKbyNql6rJohQEgHPYk" rel="nofollow noreferrer" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>well
we're getting there it seems. My point is if people weren't allowed to
hide behind a religion ie. you had to keep your faith to yourself then
attrocities committed in the name of God wouldn't happen.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
Catholic church is not Christian, if it was it would not hoard the
billions in assets it currently does and would "do as the lord
commanded" ie' feed starving kids.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"allowed"?
Meaning what exactly? People can always make deceitful claims - there
are few things I'd appreciate more than for people to stop wrongly
claiming to be Christian whilst they're behaving in opposition to
Christ's teachings, but we can't force people to be honest, what are you
suggesting should be done? And if people weren't trying to use
"religion" to justify themselves, it'd be something else.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"The
Catholic church is not Christian" - OK, so if you can recognise that
some who claim to be Christian actually aren't, why hate Christianity?
Indeed, Christ commanded that we help those who are starving, it doesn't
make sense to reject Him on the basis of people/institutions that
aren't actually following Him. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
spent a lot of time arguing with the religious authorities of His time,
because they weren't following God's commands to care for the
vulnerable.</div> <br /></div></div></div><p><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://novaramedia.com/2023/06/15/banning-puberty-blockers-wont-stop-young-people-taking-them/?fbclid=IwAR1JQquiKhlt5rkO3TeHKWNI8P1eFVwYnDon65CSQSZFX5IGRMeF9oQ-FJk" target="_blank">Banning Puberty Blockers Won’t Stop Young People Taking Them </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Handing
them out means *more* take them, only some would seek them out from
dangerous sources if they weren't prescribed. And they are HARMFUL, why
are you supporting pharmaceutical corporations taking advantage of a
hurting young people?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB I stalled <a tabindex="-1"></a>my
own puberty, not deliberately, through anorexia - the impact is
lasting, including osteoporosis. There are even trans people fervently
opposing what you're supporting.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"NB I stalled my own puberty, not deliberately, through anorexia - the impact is lasting, including osteoporosis."</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Pro hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You need to provide better data than your own anecdotal evidence.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I don't wish to diminish your experience, and am sorry to hear you have suffered thus.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>However,
all meds have side effects, and how do I know that a deficiency of
minerals and vitamins didn't contribute to the osteoporosis?</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Not
to forget that some youngers won't get osteoporosis as a result of
anything if they end up taking their own lives as a result of depression
caused by not being able to express themselves as who they are.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>That to me is a far greater risk than should be addressed.</i></div></div></span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not just my experience, it's a reality of human phisiology. And it's
ironic that you want more data on that, yet make unfounded claims that a
lack of blockers leads to suicide.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I truly believe that it is CRUEL to reinforce a child's <a tabindex="-1"></a>discomfort
with their own biology, to essentially assert that they're "born in the
wrong body", and put them on course to be a lifelong source of profit
for corporate interests. Progressives should be telling children that
they can be their unique selves, with interests and hobbies that break
gender stereotypes (note too the concerns of many gay adults who know
they'd have been deemed trans when they were younger because of their
gender non conformity), without rejecting their own bodies - and almost
all children are OK with their birth sex after puberty if their new
identity hasn't been reinforced.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But I really don't have time to argue any further, bye.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>'to essentially assert that they're "born in the wrong body" '</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Who says that? If you ever listened to trans people you would know it to be a phrase they don't use.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Stop living in the 1970s. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>" put them on course to be a lifelong source of profit for corporate interests."</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It's not the fault of trans people we live in a corporate capitalist system.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>But
I take note that you prioritise how the privatised pharmaceutical
industry benefits rather than the needs of children who need assistance.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>One thing I have gleaned from your comments is just why gender critics ally themselves with fascists.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You
would deny the right of people to express themselves as who they are,
in order for them to be a carbon copy of (patriarchal) societal norms.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It's disgusting what you are saying.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"I truly believe that it is CRUEL to reinforce a child's discomfort with their own biology,"</i></div></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I should give a fuck about what you *believe*, why exactly?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And how is their perception of who they are separate from their biology?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Do you think mind body and soul are all discrete aspects of a person?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Good grief.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"Progressives
should be telling children that they can be their unique selves, with
interests and hobbies that break gender stereotypes"</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Who says we don't?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And why are you regressives so aggressive in your determination to deny the science on the issue of gender fluidity?</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"and almost all children are OK with their birth sex after puberty if their new identity hasn't been reinforced." </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>FFS what a specious statement. Given that 99% of the population is cis, OF COURSE THE FUCKING WELL ARE </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Jeez. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"But I really don't have time to argue any further, bye."</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>That's
okay. But then you demonstrated in your OP that you are not here to
argue in good faith but propagandise on behalf of bigotry and hatred.</i></div></div></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">“Given that 99% of the population is cis” Obviously I was referring to kids who claim to be the opposite of their biological birth sex, not all young people. Honestly I’m surprised you’ve not heard this before. And I don’t know why you think it doesn’t matter - it means that the vast majority of young people who end up needing a life of treatments - which have serious risks and side effects - would have been happy with their biological/birth sex if they’d not had their discomfort with their biology reinforced.<br />“Do you think mind body and soul are all discrete aspects of a person?”- that’s exactly what *your* position asserts, that a person’s mind or soul can be contrary to their body.<br />I didn’t say that it’s their fault capitalism exists, but that’s the reality - and even if our society had less capitalism, there’d still be a cost (to lifelong hormone injections) in addition to health consequences. More to the point, you don’t seem to have considered the possibility that capitalist forces are helping to drive the movement.<br />That I’m white, like the majority of people in our country, is not relevant, that’s a very basic logical fallacy. I don’t know how exactly you’re defining middle class, why you think that I am (I mean seriously, how have you judged class from what I’ve written?), but again it’s completely irrelevant. Then again, since you’re so keen to bring these other things up, you really should consider that the gender movement is largely driven by white, wealthier people.<br />I have listened to trans people. I also follow trans folk online who are passionately opposed to giving treatments to young people - you seem to presume that all trans folk agree with you, maybe you should listen more. I didn’t say that they say they’re “born in the wrong body”, though I absolutely have seen trans folk say this, it is the implication of your position - and I don’t think that if a person feels that way that the kind thing is to reinforce it. <br />I wonder if you think that labelling me, or saying things such as that what I’ve written is “disgusting” will make me feel ashamed or that I should change my opinion(?) It won’t. So many of your comments in this thread (not only to me) are just angry words, not rational points), though we’ve not expressed hatred, we’ve not mocked, nor wished anyone ill. I’ve not “stomped on trans people” or wanted them “erased” - and I specifically stated opposition to stereotypes, you stating that I want everyone to be a “carbon copy of (patriarchal) societal norms” shows that you’re not really reading what I’ve been saying. So there’s no point for either of us going round in circles again (and I need to work)</span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/01/mental-health-hormone-treatment-transgender-people.html?fbclid=IwAR0XZOjZg7po0gEN1e8cuuaUc-zxA4gr0Lcmhw5YI71XtkjLJmVLmSZvgwk</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span><span>hose who begin transition as teens and as adults will have many other influencing factors. Note too, confirmation bias and the placebo effect (teens being led to believe that they need something, and in turn feeling glad upon receiving what they think they need). There's no control group, no peer review, and long term outcomes aren't accounted for. Some other concerns are highlighted here https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/science-vs-cited-seven-studies-to And it's sponsored by drug companies, they profit from people having injections for more years.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
author who refers to himself as a skeptic has no background in clinical
research statistics or psychology and is cis. He has a history of
misunderstanding statistics. I follow a number of scientific skeptic
blogs and none of them have a problem with trans research. It's
important that we listen the voices of trans people and the experts who
specialise in this area. Just to confirm, according to Plos One the
study I linked WAS peer reviewed.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>
I find this idea that teens are being led to believe that they need
something authoritarian, condescending and disrespectful. As if they
can't make their own decisions about who they are. And this conspracy
theory that it's all being pushed and paid for by profiteering drug
companies</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
someone identifies as a sceptic doesn't mean that their points are
wrong, just as someone identifying as an ally or as trans wouldn't mean
that their points are wrong. Do you not think that, particularly given
that scepticism is unfashionable, a person being a sceptic might be
because they've encountered reasoning and evidence that's led them to
that position? The article is surprisingly balanced (note, for instance,
opposition to “conversion therapy” and clinic closures) - and makes
important points about the Stanford study. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do
you not think that people, particularly teenagers, can have feelings
and thoughts within the complex chemical processing of the brain that
may not match reality, that may be harmful to the person and that may
have been influenced by external influences? When I was a young person I
was diagnosed with body dysmorphic disorder (relating to my face), then
with anorexia (for which I was treated against my will) - my feelings
of dislike of my physical self were challenged, not affirmed. If my
doctors and parents supported the feelings that had developed in my
mind, it would not have been caring. Of course there are differences
with gender, but my point is that our feelings, contributed to by
complex neurochemistry, can be contrary to our reality or best
interests, and can be changing. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
do listen to the voices of trans people. Amongst them are plenty who
regret their earlier decisions and/or who strongly believe that people
shouldn’t be doing anything to transition before adulthood.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I’m not sure why you don’t think that corporate greed is a thing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But, seriously, apologies if I seem argumentative, I really appreciate that you aren’t being aggressive like others here. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesMomentum/posts/pfbid02AR1vk47XJQKpwBS2uoWB76BP5Nqgn577HskJWXsCisNgHZqDEbVMQRztDQRa9dBGl?comment_id=502422642059150&reply_comment_id=2490619907764998&notif_id=1689347701909128&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Junior doctors deserve better.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
still can't get my head around the absurdity of this. Workers' wages in
general have been stagnant over the period, doctors ultimately earn far
more than the average worker. Billionaires' accumulating wealth ought
to be going to the very, very <a tabindex="-1"></a>poorest, it's not an argument for people on course to earn 6 figure salaries to be paid more from the public purse.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">These strikes are not progressive, they're selfish and classist.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>every
worker deserves a pay rise. The problem is that they are separated and
fight amongst themselves. The doctors striking isn't 'classist'. They
are fighting to secure a pay rise. Every worker should support them and
then strike themselves to secure pay rises - and every other worker should support every strike. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Strikes
are the only option working people have so, no, they quite obviously
are progressive because the only other option is poverty!!</i></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Doctors
are not in "poverty". Sick people are suffering because relatively
wealthy people demand more public money. And I have encountered multiple
(striking JDs) who have referenced or alluded to being middle class as a
reason they should be paid more.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>what a sweeping generalisation! And stereotyping!</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Factually,
there are a great many doctors struggling. Doctors, nurses, and workers
of every description and work type are struggling. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And your claim that some people regard their perceived caste as a justification for remuneration is - a claim: no substance, no evidence; just the meanderings of a prejudiced mindset.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And,
despite your other (also erroneous) claim, there were sick and
vulnerable people suffering from being denied medical treatment WELL
before the strikes began. The waiting lists began climbing shortly after
the tories came to power. That's a matter of record verified by the
ONS. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The medical
professionals striking are also striking to save the NHS. The tories,
transparently and manifestly, are destroying the NHS. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Doctors,
nurses, every worker undertaking strike actions are doing the right
thing and signalling to the tories that they cannot get away with
treating people with contempt.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
there were already waiting lists (when did I suggest otherwise?)
doesn't mean that the strikes aren't making that situation *worse*. And
why do you think that doctors are struggling? They earn enough to live,
and ultimately *far more <a tabindex="-1"></a>than the average worker*. For them to be paid more still would make society *more unequal*.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
the Tories are evil and a threat to the NHS doesn't make the strikes
right. They're demanding more money *for themselves*, rather than to
oppose the Tories' gradual privatisation or the anti-"nanny state"
ideology that's enabling corporate greed to make people sick.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You
can tell me there's no evidence of the classism all you like, I've seen
it myself. And seeking one's own interests, rather than standing with
those who are more disadvantaged, is more Right wing than Left. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
striking doctors are not signalling to the Tories by demanding more
money *for themselves*, they are themselves treating the public with
contempt.<br /><i>on how many points can you be wrong? Are you attempting a Guinness mention?<br />The strikes are not making the situation worse. The 'situation' should have been assessed and evaluated BEFORE any strikes. And that is the responsibility of the government. They were fully aware of the variables in this equation and decided to bet on the public supporting them rather than the NHS. Then went ahead with a situation that was antagonistic with no agenda other than to disrupt the lives of patients, medical staff, and the general population of the country. Why would they deliberately do that?<br />Your second 'point' is another sweeping generalisation - you make the assumption that ALL medical staff above a certain grade are 'rich' and therefore do not need to strike. You make an error here by generalising. Factually, not all medical staff above a certain grade are rich. But, and this is important (pay attention), the consensus was reached that ALL should support each other.<br />Whether they earn 'above the average worker' is irrelevant in this case: they are striking for their particular fields of expertise - NOT for the 'average worker'. You make the error of juxtaposing two separate entities to produce a flawed premise.<br />Society is already unequal, so you project your original flawed premise even further!<br />And you're incorrect, yet again (do you not tire of making straw man arguments?), when you claim that the strikers are solely centred around financial rewards. If you'd paid attention, you would have noted that the strikers have made it clear that the future of the NHS, and the working conditions of those in the NHS, is paramount.<br />Your further point about 'classism' is amusing to anyone with knowledge of language and/or politics. Class is not a protected characteristic so cannot be viewed, or classed, as discrimination. Further, any class can carry out strike action so, again, it's not possible for strikes to be termed 'classist'!!<br />And, seeing a minute example isn't evidence of the macrocosm. (Correlation isn't causation!)<br />It's your (flawed) interpretation that the NHS strikes aren't altruistic. Your incredulity doesn't alter reality.<br />Your last point, yet again, defies logic. If medical staff were fundamentally narcissistic (as you state), would they have entered a field that displays the exact opposite?<br />That's a rhetorical question that dismantles your opinion without any doubt.<br />None of your points are valid or, when examined, hold up to scrutiny. You have an opinion but should be realistic and acknowledge that your opinion is flawed and has been disproved.<br />Not only by me but many others on this thread and, more importantly, by the actions of those incredible people that put their lives at risk during the pandemic. They were dealing with an unknown disease that could have killed them - and that they knew they could have taken home to their families. And yet they continued helping the public, the ill, the vulnerable.<br />Hardly the actions of people showing 'contempt' to the public!<br />And yet you, ironically, are categorically stating that they are 'contemptible'.<br />Shame on you.</i><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
the government didn't decide to offer more doesn't in any way change
the fact that the strikes are making waiting times even longer than they
were (meaning more pain, and more advancing of various conditions)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Doctors *are* relatively <a tabindex="-1"></a>wealthy.
Not immediately in their first few years (as is true in all
professions), but their salaries rapidly increase and end up several
times the salaries of average workers. You assert that comparison to the
average are irrelevant, but of course it's relevant, for frick's sake,
it means that they can buy what they need, and do you not believe in
society being fairer? That "society if already unequal" doesn't mean
that we should make it more so. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"the
consensus was reached that ALL should support each other"? Very funny.
Striking is plainly not supporting others. "Paid attention"? I'm well
aware that some of the placards claim that they're trying to save the
NHS, it's just words (to try to win support), what they're demanding is
more money for themselves. Again, if they actually wanted to save the
NHS, they'd demand things like a clamp down on profiteering by
pharmaceutical companies, a reversal of the creeping privatisation
within the NHS, and policies to reduce ill health.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
class isn't a protected characteristic doesn't change the fact that
I've seen many comments from JD strikers implying that they think they
should earn more because they're middle class - nor does it change the
reality that right now, the wealthy can buy private health care whilst
the working class suffer on the strike-lengthened waiting lists.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That you think demanding more money for oneself is "altruistic" is hilarious.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
interesting how the strikers go on about the pandemic, and also about
earning £14/ph- only first years are earning that amount (in fact many
earn more), they weren't yet doctors during the pandemic. And that it
was brave to work through the pandemic doesn't change anything about the
nature of striking now - rather, the BMA has seized upon that tragedy
as a way to rake in cash.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB, the weirdly arrogant, empty statements and attempted insults throughout your essay are not arguments, they're just funny.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm done, I have other things to do now, I won't be reading any more in this thread. Bye.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>So what do we suggest we do when doctors choose to leave the profession for less stress and higher pay elsewhere?</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Not
really thought this one through, have you, and I'd also need interested
why you're scandalised at the thought of a doctor, who's studied for
many years and saves lives, earning at the most £150k, but unbothered by
business executives receiving millions for doing nothing useful.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When did I say that I'm unbothered by business executives' pay?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
well aware that strikers are claiming they'll go abroad (sad that their
families and friends mean less than money), how many actually would is
less clear - but there aren't <a tabindex="-1"></a>unlimited doctor
vacancies in Australia. Maybe, in time, we'll have more doctors eager to
help others (I'm well aware, of course, that plenty already are) and
fewer who are in the role for money, that might not be a bad thing.</div> </div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>ssshhh you silly Tory apologist</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm not supporting the Tories, it's those supporting the strike who are supporting upper middle class greed</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">its not greedy to want to be earning the same ammount you were earning 13 years ago. Get back to reading your Daily Mail.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span>hey
weren't earning the amount they're demanding 13 years ago, they were in
school. And again, the average salary for everyone has been stagnant.
Yes it is greedy to be on course to earn 3 times the average salary and
to demand more.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And <a tabindex="-1"></a>to presume that someone would read the Daily Fail on the basis that they don't agree with you is hilariously irrational.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Pursuit
of happiness do you seriously think the LGBT community is by any means
happy with the hundreds of laws these asshole Republicans are putting in
place to block and ban their way of life? Oh and here ya go one from
the bible. Even Jesus said back off.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Feeling
unhappy with someone else not agreeing does not mean that one is
prevented from pursuing happiness. Conservatives could say "do you think
we are by any means happy with the hundreds of LGBT flags and drag
queens in public broadcasting/spaces?". The bills, so far as I've seen,
are about practices (such as drag) and content/material, not about
groups themselves. Being gay, for instance, does not mean that one needs
to dress in drag and perform publicly, it seems insulting to gay people
to suggest that it does.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
saying that we should not judge doesn't mean that people shouldn't have
views about behaviours or laws to protect the public. It means that we
shouldn't harbour hate in our minds for *people* themselves, and we
should be humblled by awareness of our sin. I'm well aware that there
plenty of conservatives who, in contradiction of Jesus' teachings, are
clinging to judgemental feelings about some people. That's not the same
thing as having concerns about certain material in schools etc, though
obviously there's an overlap in the minds of some of the individuals. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
plainly also the case that some people are harbouring judgemental
hatred against people with traditional views (and they have the right to
do so, though it's contrary to the verses you've shared).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As
a Christian, I personally desperately wish that people would
concentrate more on Jesus - who offers salvation to those who choose to
turn to Him and who we each need as we have *all* sinned.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/news/parents-put-children-spain-boarding-school-labour-tax-raid/?fbclid=IwAR1lo8ztdAEuXsgo6UJHHhJvgi-6LoNVCy9uWgXkabHGk_6plexrmuwd3Dk">‘We’ll send our daughter to private school in Spain if Labour drive up fees’ </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">And? Are we supposed to feel sympathetic for your snobbery?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It's
worse for public schools if you think about it, private users still pay
into the system that funds public schools without using any of the
resources.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If you had the option to privately fund your child's education are you saying you wouldn't?</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No,
I wouldn't. It's not a remotely good use of funds. One could pay to
sponsor so, so many children (who can't access education) with that
money - and I'd want my kid to experience mixing with kids from a with a
wide range of backgrounds (I'm so glad that I
did). If necessary, one could still fund some private tutoring or music
lessons etc to give one's child an advantage, it'd be a fraction of the
cost.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>a wide range of backgrounds. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>So you would donate the money to a charity? One whose CEO can afford to put their own kid in private education...</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And you would want them to mix with "people from a wide range of backgrounds" unfortunately that doesn't
really happen, because if you have some money then odds are you can get
into a Grammar school, failing that you are restricted to catchment
areas so the majority are from your own background, added to that you
have increased influence (depending where you live) for drugs etc, but
that's OK, because I assume you would also live in a back2back terrace
and provide other people with rent because you are such a charitable
person.... unfortunately you will struggle to find a partner that shares
your extremely high virtues.</i></div>W<span>hat do charity CEOs have to do with this? When I sponsor a child, they receive an education, just pennies from my donation go to the CEO (as much as I obviously wish that the salaries of those at top - in *all* industries - weren't so inflated). Are you saying that you don't donate to charity?</span><br /><span>"Doesn't happen"? Why?</span><br /><span>Grammar schools will have more variety than private schools, but they still have issues and I wasn't advocating for them, so they're a non sequitur.</span><br /><span>No, going to schools in one's catchment area doesn't mean that one attends school only with people who are similar. Up the road from me there are homes which cost around £2million followed by a council estate - that's just one road a catchment area can have plenty of diversity.</span><br /><span>My Grandparents offered to contribute so that my parents might (at a huge stretch) afford to send me to a private school, I didn't think that'd be a use of their money and went to a comprehensive - I was surrounded by people from a far wider variety of backgrounds than I would have been at a private school, or than I'd previously experienced, and I'm really glad that I had that experience.</span><br /><span>You're insinuating that people who don't go to private schools end up affected by drugs, which really supports my point that people should mix extensively with those from other backgrounds (given your hilariously uninformed stereotyping). As it happens the 2 people I know of personally who've had their lives horribly affected by drug addiction both went to private schools (which was where the problems started).</span><br /><span>I'm really not sure what you mean about paying other people's rent, why would I? I give towards organisations helping the world's very poorest people, for whom any given amount makes the biggest impact. </span><br /><span>And I'm not looking for a partner, but if I were I wouldn't ask your advice, thankyou.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fpolitics%2Farchive%2F2023%2F05%2Fdr-warren-hern-abortion-post-roe%2F674000%2F%3Futm_campaign%3Dthe-atlantic%26utm_content%3Dtrue-anthem%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1qh-0PBXJBAQrHiYIEUoVR5NOXu1HZk9dnlrZWjOXHdmJqq7oOWRR2RlU&h=AT3CifC7sBHnxiDdnNNsO-w9infZ0IRJTaDzT4BHPTsu96KZFf9OYeUMV01BVleFT6vU1L0hR7k7K3j1kNB7HTTTUKifqsDjszhmZxsuHou74TTjgho8on6X5jZtKRrRRvyD&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1t_gaEh7qb5mkP7HlRBjYovnmm_KxuBvk9JZQN63-iE09ngX9NxBFE6mm2h1f3f1BZfAIh99pcq2PdU0-0FPTQCWuKTR3CkMt4n3tmETTKwGW1aYXWmjpjBHeO7uOgxvIW1N5V0479qy2N2QCUch7EwniQp9bYj6yZEeEMPfBaZokg0Q" target="_blank">Warren Hern, 84, is one of America’s few doctors who will perform late abortions, regardless of the reason</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Utterly evil</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Yes, Republican attacks on women's human rights are utterly evil, same as the German yatzees in the 1930s</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Seriously?
You're comparing *opposition* to killing to pre Nazism? I don't dispute
that there are many evil things about Republicans, but opposing any
stage abortion is not one of them. This abortionist^, who's described
how he tears up <a tabindex="-1"></a>bodies, is utterly evil, and there is nothing caring about defending him.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Your
comment is a disturbing example of moral bankruptcy and science
illiteracy. Your desire to subjugate women is truly vile. After Sandy
Hook the whole world saw Republican Americans don't care about America's
children. Hiding behind bully boys and thugs never ends well Grace. I hope you find the courage to look up from your circle jerk of fascist propaganda.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Moral
bankruptcy? To not want small humans (note that we're discussing any
stage abortion, not only early stage abortion) dismembered (as this man^
has described doing)?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why are you talking about Republicans and Sandy Hook? I already expressed
my disdain for the Republicans, so your comment is a complete non
sequitur. And if it were up to me guns would be banned. That doesn't
change anything about abortion, in fact it's odd that you're claiming to
care about some children but to support the killing of others.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Who
am I hiding behind? What exactly is fascist? You're irrationally trying
to conflate all of the things that you don't like, presuming that
everyone you disagree with is the same as a way to avoid the actual
topic.</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I see you live in the UK. I lived in England for a few years and I know you do not represent the British people.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I know you, you are the British equivalent of Republican American yatzees.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span>he
majority of British people do believe that our abortion cut off time,
24 weeks, should be lowered, so no British people in general aren't
unlike me in opposing the any stage abortion advocated above.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You've not addressed anything that <a tabindex="-1"></a>I've
written, and you're just admitting to illogically making unfounded
presumptions. For the record, I always vote Left, was recently referred
to as "far Left", and care most of all about Global poverty. But you
just want to presume that everyone who doesn't agree with you about
abortion is the same so that you can avoid actually addressing the topic
itself.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>[Deleted]</i> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Really? You're just going to keep on going around in circles demonstrating that you can't address the issue?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Science illiteracy" is very funny. It's plainly unscientific to pretend that a preborn human in the latter stages of pregnancy <a tabindex="-1"></a>is
nothing other than a part of a woman's body. And I'm in the last year
of a biology degree, I care about science. Honestly it's quite amusing
observing the desperate attempts to insult me without making any
rational points or addressing what I've actually written. </div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="May be an image of 1 person and text that says "Taj Ali @Taj_Ali1 BREAKING: Junior doctors in England to escalate strike action. Five-day strike from Thursday 13th July to Tuesday 18th July. This will be the longest single period of industrial action in the history of the NHS. 10:08 am. 23/06/2023 from Earth 36.7K Views"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="526" src="https://scontent.flhr2-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355489455_667763948728908_3520575240975744986_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=103&cb=99be929b-59f725be&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9swYWn394SkAX_T989B&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-3.fna&oh=00_AfDsh6MZ5PIexiRKboSO4khlJMt1T3bsneSengUGvHAIeg&oe=64A57079" width="640" /><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Consultants earn enormous salaries. This^ is wrong, and not Left wing.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">They’re fighting to save the NHS.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">They aren't asking for pay rises? Really?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't dispute that the Tories are terrible, or that there should be
more training places, but those things don't make these strikes good.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>They can earn double instantly by going to Australia, or 50% more by going to Canada. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Their pay has been massively eroded since 2010. Judge the Tory liars by their actions.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">E</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">veryone's
pay (the average salary) has been eroded. That people could get more
elsewhere doesn't mean that they need more. These strikes are unfair on
workers earning a fraction of the salaries of consultants, and again are
not Left wing - "from each according to his ability, to each according
to his need"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Do you think £30k is a good reward for 7 years of university education, with lots of debt accrued? </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Consultants
earn an average of £128k, the "£30k" you mention has nothing to do with
this, other than that it's what the average worker gets by on.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>On the left, ALL workers fight to help each other.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Refusing
to treat sick people, because of wanting yet more money when already
paid many times the average salary, is the opposite of "helping each
other"</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="May be an image of submarine and text that says "Everything you need to know about the deep-sea Titanic submarine tragedy"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="526" src="https://scontent.flhr2-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/347243624_656374366518560_1694878718374679607_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=111&cb=99be929b-59f725be&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=-0q9VuiqxWYAX_aw-T2&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-3.fna&oh=00_AfAONSxY0CpV1hq7iIq_Ls36l9y4iTbWny0-T3ZEK2xtYw&oe=64A60F15" width="526" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">We
don't need to know anything. It's utterly tragic for the families, but
the media is just using the situation as a drama to score clicks. And
why do you not talk more about situations in our world that we actually
should hear about, in which far larger numbers of people are endangered?
Do you think that the world's poorest people are unimportant, and
billionaires matter incomparably more?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbylinetimes.com%2F2023%2F06%2F23%2Ftwo-maritime-crises-and-the-100-to-one-rule%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0NHklmFoH2Clh4MiJXgYj6L1p2e1ijmN2xqmtrQjs46RaWkKmINvtRgMI&h=AT08qIOrT2w0ZcTuJeoznV5SuCSneBWL5BADBh_IigsVPuHwNpONqRPAbEOYycAryMP6gL1u2_C7y5EgRFZI113_xO2GKY7YFeIUVO27pjVy_4B-2LTIgsDmBKNJWSx0rrGT&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2pL1OyEhe5Nq6e22rTNyN-eAY3GlNj2wRywVMEcLm9Ya6PxMrUz1bn9fwF_vAKDZys-xfnTt8iNFcWDIx9KeeIUNouMnG_GJgbxYFPMPkcKXPqRQlGM8wVncy4tMv8T1wc6DOwm4Di4MuZqb7V9y-Rkfxzp9Da6gd5hy9HYtiVjLUThg" target="_blank">The media focus on the deaths of Americans and Europeans at the expense of other nations fuels resentment, and lays bare the dysfunctional economics of modern journalism</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
is absolutely true, but it goes further than this - media, including on
the Left, pays incomparably more attention to people using food banks
than to those people in our world who are literally starving to death
and would love food banks</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(I
am, of course, not denying that it's awful that some people need food
banks - but the extent to which those in our world in far worse poverty
still are ignored bothers me)</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><img alt="May be an image of 1 person and text that says "Frances Ryan @DrFrancesRyan I'm as left wing as they come but honestly cannot understand the psychology of seeing human beings enduring one of the worst deaths imaginable and using it as a launchpad for billionaire discourse. There are better moments than when people are suffocating in an ocean coffin. Who cares you think (correctly) people with obscene wealth do stupid things. Do you think their impending horrific deaths don't prove that point better than a tweet? Like telling a terminally ill lung cancer patient he shouldn't have smoked. Thanks, Steve, think he knows that."" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="540" src="https://scontent.flhr2-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355635257_823523685798102_5831475216645913726_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p180x540&_nc_cat=104&cb=99be929b-59f725be&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=v9TTYzbGiU4AX8Fo6n-&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-3.fna&oh=00_AfDOQrSfOfeYivThP8ifnFsrotVmYaQhVSkmULc15FYt0A&oe=64A5CB5D" width="510" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Side
note: Caring about people should not be labeled stupidly as left wing.
If that's the case, the whole lot of Jesus, his disciples and all the
saints that right wing conservative Christians adore so much would be
left wing. Caring for others is just simply human.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Jesus
is Left wing, but would be considered Right wing on certain issues.
Ultimately Left and Right often don't work well as labels.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">state "certain issues". And in the end it points to human, not stupidly divisive tribalism labels</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sex,
gender and abortion. Which I would argue shouldn't be described as
Left/Right anyway, as they're totally removed from the original meanings
of Left/Right, and there's no requirement for correlation (being pro
fairer wealth <a tabindex="-1"></a>distribution doesn't necessitate support for abortion, for example).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not sure what you mean by the second part of your comment (?)</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>do
you know that certain cultures have recognized LGBTQIA+ long before
the Christian churches condemned it? One religion from one singular
teacher doesn't define the entire universe. There is a reason why God
has more than one religion, more than one prophet.
Jesus also preached that we are are all children of God as was he, but
the church basically put him on a pedestal as a control strategy to deem
all followers unworthy and therefore to be controlled rightfully and
accordingly.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm well aware that other cultures have different views, what's your point exactly?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note too that in fact, many cultures do have the same views RE gender and sexuality as Christianity does.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What exactly do you mean by "Jesus <a tabindex="-1"></a>preached
that we are all children of God as was he"? Can you cite verses? It
seems as though you're trying to explain Christianity to a Christian,
and I'm not sure why you think that you're more informed about it(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
most definitely did not teach that He is the same as other human
beings. He taught that He is of/from God and that He makes a way
possible for people, *if* they choose to genuinely turn to Him, to be
reconciled with God and have eternal life - He demonstrated that He was
telling the truth by defeating death and rising again.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I hate to break it to anyone but Jesus isn’t real.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">yuh, that's a conspiracy theory, historians don't take it seriously.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">yeah him and his dad who is actually him who made his mum pregnant with him…wow what’s not to believe.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's
theology, the historical reality is that Jesus existed. What you think
*about* Him is up to you, but it's not historically credible to presume
that He didn't exist</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">a man named Jesus exists in Brazil but…</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">And why do you think he's called that?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/elton-john-phillip-schofield-affair-b2360619.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0hDwPonJAson2IDlpdXyIpC7Zhqc6mrHtJjWqXJ07W9pYbvKjGSDNbjHE#Echobox=1687355952" target="_blank">Elton John says Phillip Schofield affair furore has been ‘totally homophobic’</a><br /><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So Elton thinks that grooming is fine?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
reminds me of Mizzy claiming that people were only angry with him
because he's Black. (I don't doubt that racism contributes to some of
the reaction to Mizzy, but plainly his behaviour itself is an issue - as
is Schofield's)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Elton is
wrongly implying that grooming teenagers is a normal part of being gay -
THAT is what's homophobic. And yes, of course there'd still be outrage
if the young person were female, did Elton just ignore MeToo?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>That
is libellous. No complaint of grooming has been made. To date your
comment is baseless. We know that both parties in the affair have denied
it, so other than your bigotry, what is your evidence?</i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
consider a relationship with someone less than half of a person's age,
by a powerful person who knew the younger person from childhood, to be
grooming. Call it libellous if you like, but it's just a Facebook
comment that countless others have made.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What exactly is the "bigotry"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB
that a person has not complained of grooming does not mean that
grooming has not occurred, the very nature of grooming is that the
victim has been misled to believe that the situation is fine or to feel
afraid of speaking out</div></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><a href="https://www.premiernexgen.com/education/the-un-has-called-for-a-ban-on-faith-based-admissions-to-schools-in-england-what-do-you-think/15775.article?fbclid=IwAR1K4A7GLk4WBgmKBLjAXRj6uJ1yBM0ipVp1ZoEqhRSUJA8axTBjsL5dKiM" target="_blank">The UN has called for a ban on faith based admissions to schools in England. What do you think?</a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">So
weird. I was at a CofE school, almost all of the kids weren't Christian
and we weren't made to do or think anything. And faith schools get good
results, so the UN is seeking to reduce education standards.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3NJVuVr%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2b6TS0DvbOf-l4ugkj26B_0TWSESsmQLX75vVscnY8Dfh-1L6zZf1-ZAE&h=AT3_dHBopvZTUS5jlph9BELGdfjcaGaoliWDzwSCjHTiWcCvRCb1xBK-5xR81hlfZ8SNJ3ZCr--Jyy0LTu6wPYVGMR29aJXELJ_RgRqSaLgcUhCTtzYEmy1kr550Lo60X1Is&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1PLi1y5Kbvbj7lOJW_f6gRY3CphGXa02rDim56AzboN5oqf0nVmN2yZd3Z1DXLSp145YwKCKEDHbc3bZDddhUf1KnauRWUxvIMx5DPHSXRE0140yb2_NiinN7bGilj1itINiL8CSOtwuK4vr6ceFzyzd4hvpAy8_yprGoJ2KxVS34hww" target="_blank">"I
will finally be the president to bring the issue of our open southern
border to a conclusion," DeSantis said to a crowd of Evangelical
Christians</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Please stop misusing the words "evangelical" and "Christian"</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
well aware that some people in your country have wrongly used the
labels for decades, but like Trump calling himself a genius, you don't
need to affirm them. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Evangelical comes from <a tabindex="-1"></a>"Evangel",
meaning good news - that good news being that Christ offers eternal
life (heaven) to anyone who chooses to truly accept Him (and
demonstrated the authenticity of His power over death by rising), Ie.
Evangelical means wanting desperately to share that message </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So,
so often, people call themselves Christians and/or Evangelicals, whilst
their actions demonstrate that they're in fact not actually interested
in following Jesus (who told us to love those from elsewhere_.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">it’s how they self-identify and the event was hosted by them. Perfectly appropriate</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">How
people self-identify is irrelevant, what matters is reality. As I
wrote, Trump identified as a genius, and North Korea identifies as
Democratic, that doesn't mean that they are.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>your
beef is with them — nobody else has declared them those identifiers you
call misused. Just like current Republicans aren’t true to the original
meaning of their party, it’s up to the members of that party to reset
that direction or form a new group now that their former was corrupted</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">nobody else? "DeSantis said to a crowd of Evangelical Christians" is the OP statement I was commenting on in the first place.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As is the case in many other areas, we should use language that's accurate so that we can clearly highlight problems.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>again,
that’s a judgement call that isn’t theirs to make. We are not just
talking random adjectives — these people belong to this organization,
attended an event held by this organization — they are members of this
organization and it is correct for a news outlet to
call them that. If you don’t think they act appropriately enjoy to use
the label, talk to the organization that bestows the label on them</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
the article *is* using the words as adjectives, there's no mention of
an organisation. What organisation are you referring to? And even if
there is an organisation, it doesn't mean that news media should affirm
their self identification. It would not be right, for instance, for the
media to refer to the Nazis as Socialists just because their name
includes that word.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>oh
jhfc, they are not adjectives the media has randomly chosen — those
people self-identify and are members of that group. The people who
attended that conference are members of that group — it is not on the
news media to judge the behavior of those members or how much they conform to your judgement of them</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>it’s “wrong” to you </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Stop trying to make the news outlet responsible for your opinion and we won’t go around again</i></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why are we going round in circles like this? I've already explained why the word usage is wrong</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">it's not just "wrong to me", it's factually incorrect, and genuinely unhelpful.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>do
you know everyone at the event? Maybe next time you should attend and
hand out “good evangelical” and “bad evangelical” ribbons</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">theoretically
there could be some individuals of any description at any event, but
the use of a word in describing a group, as above by the OP, implied
that the label is an accurate descriptor of the majority of the group</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fwes-streeting-i-was-torn-between-being-gay-and-christian-893zqvnz6%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3U-m7FHdOenoXHHIXZNFmtBZeGbFv6tR-OBpbAg1DQdJtDOGXa3k2U3ug%23Echobox%3D1687962882&h=AT3C2lCDr5DHLntO62YHr26nklfht5DI4onnTVKAv108cXnCIbA_hxmAGYQWCzDkz71j1UU5pA6VzpZ1jZ45jRF1oOQfGw9ip1GwfOQqF3fkUNv5l1heZXO-hQhm6kYlpNPs&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2EHyrnkMiE1fxq38R9PN7Nov_jYJi7Tq62_g_G2Ep6PPSxmsy0tc88E9v0IeJ_HgmMMTU3D6W6ujpINlk7WGEtesoIwvI3mE3V3850O-seRL4A4rVfvE8fNq9grZnyLbJZWqUgWaulX9jPsbgRo2O4DcTgMI9caAytZchwq-vHlWzxKg" target="_blank">Wes Streeting has spoken about how he “agonised” after feeling “forced to choose” between faith and sexuality</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">God
loves humanity and has given guidance RE relationships, including that
sex should be restricted to heterosexual marriage. That doesn't change
the fact that He loves *people* themselves.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(NB,
having an orientation does not obligate one to act upon it, and it's
action rather than orientation that is prohibited - there are plenty of
gay Christians, and some of us straight Christians, who are celibate)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*All*
of us (human beings, of all orientations) have done some things that we
shouldn't have (not necessarily RE sex, but so many other things),
separating ourselves from God because He is Holy, yet Jesus makes it
possible for anyone who genuinely chooses to turn to Him to be
reconciled with God.</div></div></span></div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/family-of-churchill-hit-out-at-st-paul-s-over-white-supremacist-comments?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR21i1GiyUcVA6yoAR4pce9Ood4fWXvvyCX1U_VHVgFVVQ9vyvQVoLCzlBk#Echobox=1687726471" target="_blank">Family of Churchill hit out at St Paul's over 'white supremacist' comments </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">He *was* a white supremacist, have people not read what he said about people from elsewhere? Why whitewash history? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Our country is desperate to worship him, and we shouldn't - especially at St Paul's or any other Church.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">History should be explored with <a tabindex="-1"></a>accuracy.
All historical figures are flawed - to entirely differing extents
("flawed" sounds insufficient to describe Churchill's attitudes) - and
we shouldn't cover those things up in an attempt to deify them, we don't
need false gods.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Obviously,
it's beyond awesome that Churchill was part of defeating Hitler (note
that soldiers, scientists and others were crucial), but that doesn't
mean that other historical truths should be hidden. History is about
things that actually happened, not sentimental attachments.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Hello
Grace. I knew you could not resist the temptation to try to rewrite
history! The fact that the woke idiot who posted the original comments
about Churchill says everything about how incorrect was the statement
about white supremacists. Otherwise, why take it
down? The only query is why did it take the blinkered twit so long to
admit he was wrong. It was taken down because it was offensive,
incorrect and blatantly biased. Put concisely, Churchill, supported by
Clement Attlee and the Labour party, won the war. They gave you your
freedom to enable now try to transfer the perspectives of 1939-45 into
today's woke CofE speak. I can recommend a very good book called 'Attlee
and Churchill' by Leo McKinstry. You will like it because Leo used to
be a Labour Councillor. On the other hand, you might not like it because
it does not conform to the dubious, woke views of St Paul's </i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What?
"The fact that the woke idiot who posted the original comments about
Churchill says everything about how incorrect was the statement about
white supremacists." makes no sense. And it was taken down, obviously,
because people who <a tabindex="-1"></a>idolise Churchill moaned. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"put
concisely"? I didn't dispute that the war was won - though it's wrong
to say that politicians "won the war", the war was won by the
*collective* efforts of politicians *and* others, including
intellectuals like Turing and soldiers who gave their lives. Either way,
it doesn't change the fact that Churchill was a white supremacist.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What "rewriting" exactly have I done?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB, stop using woke as a pejorative, it makes you look very uninformed.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Cathedral
and John King.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/christian-movement-new-apostolic-reformation-politics-trump/674320/" target="_blank">The Woman Who Bought a Mountain for God</a> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">God already owns all the mountains.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
didn't call us to buy land in which to isolate ourselves from the
world. We should be seeking to do good in the world, and to tell the
world about Him. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
movement^ sounds like it's trying to recreate territorialism of some Old
Testament characters, we ought instead to be seeking to emulate Christ.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Christian Nationalism" is an oxymoron, there is no such thing</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It’s basically just another term for “conservative values” using religious ignorance as a smokescreen.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
isn't though. "Christian", by definition, means to follow Christ, and
the long misuse of it is problematic, not least because it enables some
people to pretend that they're Godly as a cover for selfishness. We
should use words accurately so that we can convey concerns clearly.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
someone is committed to following Christ, who said that His kingdom is
not of this world and who counter-culturally told people to love those
from elsewhere, they won't be a nationalist.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>It’s
more the fact bigoted hateful racists seem to whine about it being a
“Christian Country” and the kind of people who dip their oar into
reproductive rights seem to use Christianity as a smoke screen for their
ignorance by claiming god said so or words to that
effect. I dismiss religion as a concept outright not one excluded
because it’s dangerously divisive past it’s sell by date nonsense.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"reproductive rights" is an unclear phrase, and people have very differing views and motivations on this issue. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How are you defining "religion"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People who moan about this being a Christian country are most often not really trying to follow <a tabindex="-1"></a>Jesus
(though it may depend on the context in which it's said). And no
country can really be Christian, in that to be genuinely Christian is to
personally choose to follow Jesus, that's a decision that each person
makes for themselves (though much about our shared values and culture
relate to the Christians in our history influencing things - such as
Wilberforce and other Christians recognising that slavery is evil,
despite it having existed in many cultures; many schools, charities and
hospitals were founded by Christians; various famous scientists were
Christians driven by a desire to understand God's creation; etc). Anyone
who is actually a Christian should be trying to emulate and talk about
Jesus, not go on and on about being a "Christian country".</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Religion
should be as past it’s sell by date as any other mythology by now. Not
one moron-manual or whining blasphemy rebranded “thought crime”
respected or excluded. It’s dangerously divisive nonsense.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"reproductive rights" is an unclear phrase, and people have very differing views and motivations on this issue. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How are you defining "religion"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People who moan about this being a Christian country are most often not really trying to follow <a tabindex="-1"></a>Jesus
(though it may depend on the context in which it's said). And no
country can really be Christian, in that to be genuinely Christian is to
personally choose to follow Jesus, that's a decision that each person
makes for themselves (though much about our shared values and culture
relate to the Christians in our history influencing things - such as
Wilberforce and other Christians recognising that slavery is evil,
despite it having existed in many cultures; many schools, charities and
hospitals were founded by Christians; various famous scientists were
Christians driven by a desire to understand God's creation; etc). Anyone
who is actually a Christian should be trying to emulate and talk about
Jesus, not go on and on about being a "Christian country".</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Flegal%2Flgbt-rights-yield-religious-interests-us-supreme-court-2023-07-01%2F%3Futm_campaign%3DtrueAnthem%253A%2520Trending%2520Content%26utm_medium%3DtrueAnthem%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2kXmLEskn4MjMk69TGUdSEg4waLpBT9BdkWXI7NwZvmAfEftOjZJxK_is&h=AT2ysKmnNz21zhD7yDOxhmRbKiyaisoXRMuFUhqkuwT1_6r9_WTSRONjVX2sjwaF5RiaMRm_qgYYNy_6skE2KfYd94qqQ_EXIOVwcoHMEacyONazLoz7eixdKqF7m2LF6pvI&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1eDI79WswxumsNqGwDkT1BBeP_MLjpfJi2GDMcLla67Bp0cCIPXfs7s1Qxf6N1eI-rRhJIKkZWnTU0RqaIl0wdkVZNAwhYwxEMTUF18WGpEnVFEM54bzkxWq09ksVvF5Qcy23B2KdKkMCjVMknXcMPxVz4gN6sMTz7eF1G00rHfy7Z9w" target="_blank">In its decision permitting an evangelical Christian web designer to refuse service for same-sex weddings</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">She
feels that she couldn't actively contribute to a same sex wedding,
that's because of the concept, not the individuals themselves. She is,
rightly, happy to work with gay people on other things.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity teaches that God, who loves humanity and <a tabindex="-1"></a>has
ultimate wisdom, gave guidance that sexual relationships should be
restricted to heterosexual marriage - so many Christians feel that
participation in an event celebrating the contrary would be like holding
a middle finger up to God. And because God loves those gay people too
(every bit as much as straight people), to contribute to something one
believes a loving, wise God has guided against might not feel like
actually caring for those potential customers. If my Dad warned against
something, me helping my sister to do that thing wouldn't necessarily be
loving to her - and not joining in with it wouldn't mean that I don't
care about her or that I oppose her herself as a person. Again, it's
about the action NOT the person. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course, there are people who are genuinely hateful towards LGBT folk,
and that's utterly unacceptable and unChristian. It's also incredibly
important that, as Christians, we constantly reflect on the fact that we
ourselves are not better than anyone else and have failed to follow
God's guidance, we need the forgiveness that is offered through Jesus to
everyone. Some of the words and actions of some Christians (or people
who call themselves Christians but might not actually be following
Christ at all) suggest a failure to keep these things in mind.</div></div></span></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">your religion has no place in our government.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't say that it has. What you're (by implication) suggesting is that
government should force people to express things that they don't
believe in. It would be like an atheist or Muslim web designer being
told that, if they were ever <a tabindex="-1"></a>asked to create an
evangelistic website, they'd *have* to do it. If the woman was forced to
create the hypothetical website in this case, *that* would be beliefs
"in your government"</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But did you actually read my comment?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>We read it, Grace. You didn’t address the key question: what about the Americans who don’t believe in your White Sky Daddy?</i></span> <br /></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat about them?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">'Judge
not, lest you be judged', 'Vengeance is mine', 'turn other cheek',
these would seem to suggest that God gets to judge, not his adherents.
But you go on pretending to 'preach love', enjoy. Bear in mind that the
Pope thought Trump wasn't Christian... like he'd know, right?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
are you defining "judging" exactly? The Bible also says that we should
"judge all things", and everyone makes decisions or forms views on
different things. Clearly plenty of people judge this woman. What she
shouldn't be doing is holding <a tabindex="-1"></a>feelings of
judgementalism or disdain for LGBT folk, not making a website for a
specific event doesn't mean that she is. Did you read what I wrote in
the first place? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Trump
is indeed not a Christian. It's deeply disturbing that do many people
are so very, very supportive of him - not because of his not being a
Christian, we shouldn't expect our leaders to share our beliefs, but
because many of his policies and views are so diametrically opposed to
what anyone following Jesus would want to see (such as halting the
climate change that's hurting the poorest people)</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>By judging I mean condemning, and that's everywhere from the so-called Christians.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">As
I wrote, some people who call themselves Christians wrongly talk in a
way that appears to disregard the fact that we ourselves also need the
forgiveness that Jesus makes possible. But I'm not sure how you're
defining "condemning", or what <a tabindex="-1"></a>it has to do with not making a website</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Condemning isn't a difficult word.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't say that it's "difficult", I'm trying to understand exactly what
you mean by it given that condemnation is not something I observe
"everywhere".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Go on then, tell me how not creating a specific celebration website is "condemning"</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Freason.com%2F2023%2F06%2F30%2Fron-desantis-says-hes-a-christian-he-should-read-the-parable-of-the-good-samaritan%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0tmDGx1lmwXPkk7kcgz8Fbxc8djTUf-jpeZ_MJpz-gdkFk_Gr4WKTpF-0&h=AT2x4O1quhBCBkYixF7IHI9RrnQx57SXzhzLn2elLLS0J79lpix7bQCJurFWftajA7RhlGu0IGeQoy2zHUK35Hoy8xcO1rIx-fC499KmCWdfyUp_DhfhauLbiKqedcvVVEIU&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2kkjEZL8yP6yiPNu6qnBrEKLQCx7H35TIrgU5_aREdYby3lNQCkokfQn-pCFItCftPwF1VuMR12u5-z3he-h5NbEQcAwY3q1XUzpWU4KjMoVNRusHGvHLdCm0mrDw0VNRN0iP7bIjkmRdMB45z32yiTMt2xJ1HVi50fl-YQbOk3sgw7Q" target="_blank">Ron DeSantis Says He's a Christian. He Should Read the Parable of the Good Samaritan <br /></a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">YES.
Many people on the Left support ideas that are contrary to God's
guidance RE relationships, gender and abortion - but Jesus *is* Left
wing on various issues, He absolutely does command us to sacrificially
love our neighbour *from elsewhere*</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/30/france-riots-more-than-400-arrested-as-police-officer-accused-of-shooting-teen-apologises?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1YpNhv61_rhcTbE-Bn3bE8nFyG3z0bjxEjV32bV49EP7gZbjXfJMoE6VU#Echobox=1688105207" target="_blank">France riots: hundreds arrested in fourth night of unrest as 45,000 police deployed </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Gross
to loot and to damage other people's property or public buildings etc
like this. It doesn't change the tragedy of the killing (of the teen by
an officer) whatsoever, it's just hooliganism and greed.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-blocks-kentucky-ban-gender-affirming-care-trans-minors-senate-bill-150/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=222378428&fbclid=IwAR1ypQnsY1XlUGAwGSNHLimtbD-R0lAsLGIlWvU-tmRqv66tjazFoAbnNzY" target="_blank">Federal judge blocks Kentucky's ban on gender-affirming care for trans minors <br /></a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's not care</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>are you a doctor or a transgender? If not, your opinion doesn't matter in the least.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Since
it's you seemingly advocating children being drugged to interfere with
their growth, and worse, what are *your* medical qualifications?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm finishing a Biomedical science degree, I work with (medical) doctors. But either way, you just <a tabindex="-1"></a>committed the Ad Hominem fallacy.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
think it shouldn't be up to the government to decide what is right for
other people. It should be up to parents and doctors to decide the best
course of action. I'm advocating for freedom from government
interference is people's doctors appointments. Why are Republicans so hell bent on restricting other humans rights to body autonomy?</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"why
are Republicans so hell bent"? What does that have to do with anything?
I'm not a Republican. But as I presume you'd agree, government *should*
restrict things that harm vulnerable people. If a child feels that
they're in the wrong <a tabindex="-1"></a>body, it is not caring to
reinforce that idea and to give them drugs that interfere with their
growth, leaving them with long term health risks including weakened
bones. They're being put onto a pathway that makes them lifelong
patients, constantly dependent on more injections - and there isn't
medical evidence showing that this is right thing to do, meanwhile there
is evidence showing that almost all young people who are uncomfortable
with their biological sex/gender feel fine with it after puberty *if*
their new identity is not reinforced.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As
is evident from other situations, being a parent doesn't *always* mean
only wanting the best for one's child. There are a small minority of
parents who have wrong motives, in this case there have been accounts of
some parents wishing to have a daughter instead of a son for instance.
But most parents are simply desperate - and they're often being led to
believe that their child could kill themselves if not affirmed (contrary
to the evidence, as above). Meanwhile the doctors and organisations
involved in this stand to profit phenomenally (it's capitalism taking
advantage of vulnerable people, not progressive) </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*Care*
would be, as is the practice for young people who have body dysmorphia
or anorexia (both of which I was diagnosed with in my teens), to help a
young person to feel OK in their own skin, and to know that they can be
unique and break gender stereotypes.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsounds%2Fplay%2Fp0fw1d9n%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2u6b1dujj0tCCImB_e6U20Olw7MI_DbvNTOTaPXP3af5jwiO-gYkbeKtU&h=AT3NRCNp6Rb4-iw-ju0NHs43dt_m9a6Eqr7_8rdFVulWKwRZ3EN3-w_rOXLYadLTbZrIq2_O6d1bvtN02T2QOgi5-Mk3Y1Zkudo7ZXMcFWKq60JueU04Shi6bpc-yX0iFCDh&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT0akgQbYPO9tdEhT97vUwte-NRHE7SaXolpzAeHVkBATWTBLH1DqjH3vbjPalT1N9zo_Zm7jFs6SkjIGiJC3KReC1oVAmDXHWL9QRPUprutHALsPjAi6wY0ysGTNu6foizjODETs8gnDOlMDYI21vb81n6tTDuptfClmDadiAP-IRgeRw" target="_blank">After
right-wing protesters started disrupting drag queen story hours in
Sweden's libraries, Stockholm deputy mayor Jan Jönsson decided to [do drag story time]</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How does this help the children?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB It's not just "right wingers" who are concerned</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>it’s
just fascists who are suddenly “concerned” as a smokescreen for
scapegoating queer folks as their ‘other’ to hate and push their fascist
ideology.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
exactly is fascist about not wanting this in front of children? I get
that there are fascists amongst those protesting it, but that doesn't
mean that everyone opposed is fascist. How are you defining "fascist"? I
for one am generally left wing, and my biggest
political concern is the exploitation and suffering of people in the
very poorest parts of the world. Are the Muslim parents who've been
protesting Pride parades in schools "fascist"<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What's "sudden" is the movement to hold "drag queen story time" etc.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What's the "ideology"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why
do you need to ask the question? Do you not understand what is actually
going on? Are you pretending to not know what fascism is or are you
simply deflecting because you are in fact a fascist supporting the
recent attacks on queer people? Are you unaware
that drag has existed in children’s entertainment for over a century or
are you again deflecting because you’re engaging in ‘othering’ people
because you are a fascist?</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why are you deflecting to the Middle East and directing the discussion to irrelevant subjects?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
genuinely asking, seriously. Why not answer? How can people understand
if you throw around words like fascist but won't explain?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Deflecting to the Middle East? I'm not, I've seen Muslim parents protesting here in Britain and in Canada. I'm
constantly trying to look at issues fom all sides, including those I
disagree with, to get a fuller understanding, I get the impression that
you've been in an echo chamber.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I’m
genuinely asking you? Why not answer yourself? Why pose ideologically
based questions that you use to deflect from answering? Why are you
deflecting? Why are you trying to shift topics? Why are you using
rhetoric and anecdotal generalizations?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"why
not answer yourself"? It was you who replied to my comment using
specific terms and I asked you to clarify, I don't know why you won't.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How am I deflecting or shifting topics? What "rhetoric" and generalisations? You calling people <a tabindex="-1"></a>who
disagree with you fascists is pretty much rhetoric and generalisation.
And you're totally entitled to make the comment, but I don't see what it
acheives nor how it's a logical point, particularly when you won't
explain.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Again,
why are you answering questions with questions? Why are you posing
ideologically bent questions? Why are you shifting topics to avoid
answering your own questions?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why are you trying to redefine fascist? Are you a fascist? Why are you defending fascism? Why are you defending fascist ideology?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Answer
your question with questions? It was you who replied to my original
comment, and I asked you to clarify. Now you're just going round in
circles.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I didn't try to redefine fascist, I asked what you meant and you apparanetly aren't able
to explain. I'm not a fascist nor defending facsism, but I couldn't
care less what you call me, especially when you evidently can't even
define the word.</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Where
did I call you a fascist? Did I not answer your post with exactly how
fascists are pushing the hate propaganda against queer folk?</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why
do you agree with fascist ideology on attacking queer folk? Why are you
intentionally deflecting by asking for basic definitions? Are you
genuinely ignorant or is it simply a debate strategy to support your
ideology?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't say that you called me fascist, you wrote "Why are you trying to
redefine fascist? Are you a fascist? Why are you defending fascism? Why
are you defending fascist ideology?" And I answered. Now you're saying
"Why do you agree with fascist ideology on attacking queer folk?",
though I never said that I do, so it seems that you are trying to call
me fascist, and I don't care what you think because I know that I'm not,
but I'm fascinated that throwing around the word "fascist" monotonously
appears to be your only argument, especially when you can't define it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
you didn't "answer your post with exactly how fascists are pushing the
hate propaganda against queer folk" - I commented that it's not only
right wingers who are concerned about drag in front of kids and you then
claimed that the concern is fascism. I acknowledged that there are some
fascists who are opposed, but that doesn't mean at all that everyone
who's concerned is fascist. It's like the fact that people who are very
Left wing and who protest about climate change (I'm not criticising
them) are concerned about Global warming, but that doesn't mean that
everyone who's concerned about Global warming is very Left wing and
protests.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not deflecting, and I was asking for definitions because I was trying to understand what you yourself personally mean.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>We've
been watching drag artists all our lives, from Some Like It Hot to
Hinge and Bracket and far beyond. No one thought anything of it. Now
some people are making it an issue because they are anti LGBT and so
want to pretend that it will encourage children to
'become queer'. Did it do that to any of us ? No of course not.
Gender and sexual orientation are hard-wired into us and more or less
impossible to change (although sadly denial has had its place in the
story).</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Not
the same. That's just cross dressing, as a joke in films for adults.
Drag culture, now being aimed at kids, is derived from gay clubs - which
is OK* for those adults who want to watch it (*except that it's
seriously mysoginistic) but it's not kids' entertainment. As Tracy wrote, there's tonnes of inuendo and it's highly sexualised.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not claiming that any of this makes kids become queer, but some kids
are encouraged to mimic some of what they see - which, when it includes
such actions as twerking, puts those kids at risk (I don't doubt that
there are also other things, such as some music vodeos, which are
problematic for this reason)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
again - how does this help kids? Serious question, what exactly is the
motivation? I've asked this many times and no one's given me an answer,
other than someone who said, in all seriousness and as a defense of it,
that "it's empowering for men".</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/posts/pfbid02zxDmKfZY75xghhcGiXkhHKriw8ToJL4QFasih3HwykUUW67Gse5vkPAWkpMuqTj8l?comment_id=999828934712523&reply_comment_id=806923707452340&notif_id=1687096991956035&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif#" target="_blank">Trump doesn’t just cross moral lines; he doesn’t appear capable of understanding moral categories</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Observing
from the UK, I followed him on Facebook to see his own words and better
understand why he's so controversial. As a Christian, I was
particularly struck by how how attitude is entirely antithetical to
everything Jesus taught.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Jesus wasn’t pimping abortion and homosexuality. That is the political religion of the alt left</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Sure,
but that doesn't mean that Trump isn't also out of line with Jesus'
teaching. God does indeed lay out guidelines RE sex/relationships and
against killing - but He *also* hates pride, selfishness and xenophobia.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>can you specify what attitudes ?</i></span></div>T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he
arrogance was especially striking, God hates that. But obviously, also,
the disregard for vulnerable people, perversion, hatred of those with
different views....</span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Yes,
Jesus hates arrogance, but that's a little different than being self-
confident. Trump actually did more for vulnerable groups. Obama
disparaged Christianity every chance he got. Trump insured that Freedom
of Religion was respected. Sex trafficking (
especially of children) was rampant ( as it is under Biden) , Trump
established an anti- trafficking force that saved hundreds of trafficked
children. Trump fought against abortion ( the most vunerable group),
Obama and Biden seem to worship abortion and strippers in elementary
schools. But, I guess it depends on how you define your " Christianity".</i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Trump
is not just "self-confident", he is monumentally arrogant, prideful,
boastful, and God hates that (as well as perverted "joking" Trump has
engaged in, if not worse, and I could go on).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If he really saved children from <a tabindex="-1"></a>trafficking - do you have evidence? - that's awesome, but it's a separate matter, as are the views/actions of Biden and Obama.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity
is to follow Christ, since you asked, and Trump continually
demonstrated an attitude contrary to that. I'm horrified by things that
the Democrats are doing also, but that's whataboutism/a non-sequitur, it
doesn't change the point</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-60187073898964283332022-12-28T16:14:00.031-08:002023-07-01T21:04:30.917-07:00<p></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><img alt="May be an image of 1 person and text that says "SO YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN HUH? TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW YOU HATE EVERYONE."" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="275" src="https://scontent.flhr2-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/351184702_1188182061870569_4802335635315149202_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=93qW4Fu95Z8AX8BWdWO&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-4.fna&oh=00_AfDrsau25l8qlXo38rtp1G3HNaC2qUi76u7kMIUlgWoXdA&oe=6482A950" width="408" /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Excuse me? Explain.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Christianity is often used as people's justification for not accepting those who are different.</i></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's a cliche. Explain. </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"I don't say that (insert a marginalized kind of group) are immoral. The Bible does." </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>No,
you don't get a pass on that one. Making an ignorant and prejudiced
claim and then saying it isn't your claim, it's a scriptural claim is a complete
crock. Saying that you agree with a claim is the exact same thing as
stating the claim as your view independent of the source that says it.
If it wasn't, you'd agree with ALL of the claims that scriptural source
states and not say the more outrageous ones were mis-translated,
metaphorical, or only in that time and cultural context. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If
the hateful ones you cite are not ones you also believe were
mis-translated, metaphorical, or only in that time and cultural context,
you are not just quoting the scriptures, you absolutely are claiming
that text as your own opinion independent of the source that you justify
it with.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry,
I'm not sure why you're arguing with a random quote(?) I never wrote
what you've quoted, I guess someone somewhere probably did, but that
doesn't make it Christianity. Christianity is to follow Christ, as much
as some people like to <a tabindex="-1"></a>appropriate the word.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And I also wonder what you mean by "hate", but I probably shouldn't spend any longer here, I need to study.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Christians
often claim to not accept people who are LGBT, scientists, etc, because
it goes against the Bible. However, when you bring up more crazy
parts of the Bible such as how it's okay to kill your children or sell
them into slavery, they say it was in a different
context or not properly translated. So, essentially, if they agree
with it, it is from their god. If they don't agree with it, it was not
meant to be taken literally.</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Firstly,
again, people calling themselves Christians does not mean that they
are. Anyone can call themselves anything, that doesn't mean that they're
right to do so. Trump called himself a genius, don't judge geniuses on
the basis of him.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a tabindex="-1"></a>Christianity
does not oppose science. Many of the greatest scientists have been
Christian, and I became a Christian because of science. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
Bible does teach that sex should be restricted to heterosexual
marriage, but that is not the same as rejecting *people*, and Jesus
acted to prevent the execution of the woman caught in sexual sin. We all
sin, and God both calls us to turn from sin *and* loves us. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
erroneous to presume that context either qualifies or discounts
everything, what matters is *what the actual context is*. I've just been
having a similar argument over on Twitter with Andrew Tate fans.
They've taken a clip of an interviewer asking about things he's said,
cutting the context (her asking why he has said these things) and
mockingly stating that the misogyny coming out of her mouth are her
words and therefore she's a misogynist. They say that the interviewer
has ignored the context of Tate's misogynistic comments, so they can do
the same to the interviewer - but they're wrong, there *is* a context
explaining why the interviewer is pronouncing misogynistic statements,
she's quoting Tate, that's the context. There *isn't* a context that
justifies him having said them in the first place. My point being, one
needs to actually examine contexts, not use the argument "context" to
disregard *everything*.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
the Bible, a complicated compilation of very different texts, there are
historical accounts of stupid things done by various people, as well as
some instructions that are situation specific. There are also teachings
that are timeless, and we can determine which are which by looking at
the different contexts and whether instructions are repeated in both
Testaments. Ultimately, we follow Jesus, so if something seems difficult
to understand, we should look at what He's said. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
wondering which "Christians" you've been listening to(?) I'm aware that
there are plenty of people who like to call themselves Christians,
especially in the US, to make themselves feel better, but what actually
matters is Jesus. And note, Jesus spent a lot of time arguing with
those who misused *religion* to assert dominance over others, and also
warning about those who would claim to be of Him but not be.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Recently
I've been enjoying The Holy Post podcast - observing from the UK, it's
been helpful in understanding the complicated mess of false Christianity
in America, being discussed by some actual Christians.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Saying
they're sinning for not actually doing anything wrong that harms anyone
or themselves is hate. If god is real, that god made them who they
are.</i></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What do you think sin means?</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><br /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><br /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/CCFON/posts/pfbid02QVfAbSKqN1jRJhAVGciGbCqDKW5Q2xSCTuNedaeuyPqrcDmZBoMBVsnnJdJti5Dol?comment_id=791295575838801" target="_blank">"The first view … biblical nationalism – can be traced back to the Older Testament" (Christian Concern)</a></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Scriptural
Vision of independent nations"? What? Scripture records independent
nations existing, but the New Testament shows that national divisions
are unimportant and predicts people from all nations worshipping God
together. Jesus specifically defied the people's presumption of
independent nations by, for instance, teaching the parable of the Good
Samaritan</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We as
Christians MUST prioritise sharing the Gospel - which is that Jesus died
for our sin and rose defeating death - and not this political
conspiracy theorising.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/21/philosopher-peter-singer-theres-no-reason-to-say-humans-have-more-worth-or-moral-status-than-animals?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3YlVzSfRD6IYvfeDD1NyObCoYYYTF-fdJpu7NJJJXQsWf7Yc_V3aKeSUI#Echobox=1684677768" target="_blank">Philosopher Peter Singer: ‘There’s no reason to say humans have more worth or moral status than animals’</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Nonsense.
Human cognition is far superior, including having the capacity to
consider value and moral status. Dogs can't be morally equivalent when
they don't even comprehend morality. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There's
no reason to consider all living creatures equal, people don't equate
their pets with ants, why equate humans with other animals?</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3MatSH1%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2hr9f90PsjabyGOvjSRfN9T0B8yy-FZYjAzhCiTDa9Rbs1Wgj0P5QWb_0&h=AT3eSTErFnVVYmsfeHnQ3LolDQGnKUq-PROACb4F326aIcwXX7By3SWdMySqr4xxdoOByX2La4ozZE5VosVfBwCEKGPDTRttG9lcNY31togOSrP88-RYTkpOdI_794ATGQkS&__tn__=%2CmH-R]-R&c[0]=AT1xsUl5BN5SSpAAZFyMDVccOuM9alZiRazGKpFtVzHhJyByLKhhjhZOUfuWIoiik0riMdOpT_ZMai1nuT1GYhQreAYkoa4SEqXYkmyzOR-TWeW5SsG5mKx7S8ngC0x6J-6Eu-VC0NrCNdX3dYCRH-LFPAwmKw&c[1]=AT1xsUl5BN5SSpAAZFyMDVccOuM9alZiRazGKpFtVzHhJyByLKhhjhZOUfuWIoiik0riMdOpT_ZMai1nuT1GYhQreAYkoa4SEqXYkmyzOR-TWeW5SsG5mKx7S8ngC0x6J-6Eu-VC0NrCNdX3dYCRH-LFPAwmKw" target="_blank">I’m deeply conscious of the impact that reports concerning Soul Survivor and Mike Pilavachi continue to have on many people (Archbishop of Cantebury)</a></span> <br /><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
incredibly important, as Christians, that we avoid putting people other
than Jesus on pedestals. *Part* (I'm not disputing that the situation
is incomparably more grave for victims, or the false accused in those
few situations where allegations are erroneous) of the reason that
situations like this hurt is that we all too easily idolise leaders, and
we need to keep in mind that it's only Jesus who's worthy of that place
in our hearts.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course another *part* of why these situations hurt is that it's
inevitable that our non Christian culture will observe and deem them as
reasons to disregard Christianity - we need to show them that it's Jesus
who matters (and the failings of others don't change the reality of
Him)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div></div></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><br /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><u><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto" style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Walsh </span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: #2b00fe;">turned up to oppose a rightwing demo against a drag story-telling event, didn’t expect to come away with a fractured rib – and at the hands of the Met. </span></u></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
goes without saying that violence is entirely unacceptable etc - but
why exactly some people want to appear in drag in front of kids?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
why are so many who are supposedly on the Left more eager to put energy
into supporting things like this than into actually supporting our
world's most impoverished people /oppressed workers?</div></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>because we aren't born hating. It's taught to us. Teaching children to be accepting is a positive thing for everyone.</i></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat doesn't answer the question at all</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>sure
it does. You see some of these comments on here? Look how nasty people
are to each other. All over clothing. Teach them early to be accepting
and not judgmental. That's why they would want to in front of children.</i></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
it doesn't. You make the presumption that seeing people in drag will
reduce animosity, but there no reason to presume that it does that, nor
that it's necessary for reducing animosity. And what "nastiness" exactly
are you referring <a tabindex="-1"></a>to? Children should have their
time used to learn to accept people of different ethnicities, with
disabilities etc - they don't need to be taught to accept men in
dresses, who benefits? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
saw several pantomimes as a child, I found the pantomime dames creepy
and I still do, seeing them previously hasn't made me like them. And as
pages that support drag are keen to point out, there have long been
*cross dressing* examples in our culture, such as Mrs Doubtfire, so what
is drag contributing? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Drag
is similar to pantomime dames but far, far more problematic, because it
is rooted in adult entertainment that's highly sexualised - and there
have been plenty of examples of drag performances in front of children
being perverted. I saw footage of one family event, for instance, where
children were running around whilst a drag queen toasted "a toast to
you, a toast to me, a toast to those who lick us where we pee". Those
claiming that anyone worried about drag being unsuitable for kids is
"hateful" or deluded are gaslighting.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
there's plenty of "nastiness" from supporters of this movement (vitriol
and worse against those with who don't support drag etc - and not at
all only against those who've expressed "hate", just those who
disagree), seeing men in dresses evidently does not stop people from
being vitriolic.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Also,
drag is misogynistic. I didn't realise it initially, but now I can't
unsee it - these men are mocking us (women), caricaturing us as though
we're slutty clowns. Conceptually it's similar to Blackface (though I'm
obviously not claiming to be oppressed in the way that Black people have
been)</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><br /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Because it’s a performative art-form that can be shared with any age. </i></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat doesn't answer the question at all.</span>Saying
that something is "art" does not explain why someone *wants* to
perform, let alone in front of kids. I used to draw, that actually is
art, I never had any desire to ensure that children saw my drawings
(which were of faces, animals, flowers - whereas drag is linked to adult entertainment)<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So I honestly do not know what the motive is.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I did.Hence the “performative art form that can be shared with any age” part.</i></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No
you didn't. Describing something as "performative art" is not a motive
for why people *want* to partake in it *in front of children*
specifically. If anything, it implies that they're exhibitionists who
want attention for <a tabindex="-1"></a>themselves and using children to get it.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><br /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><u><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto" style="color: #2b00fe;">'For
all the cringeworthy lip service to diversity and feminism, how has a
film as white and male as All Quiet still triumphed to this extent?'</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en" style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></u><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Oh
for frick's sake. You honestly think that it's remotely helpful or
logical to attack the winning film on the basis that it features
primarily white males? You are actively hindering progress. Your
irrationality is not only daft and arguably offensive, you are fuelling
those on the far Right who argue that white men are now the victims in
our society.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And the award winner rightly spoke of the risks of far Right ideology that links the film to situations today.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do you think that people who aren't white males want to be given awards just to tick boxes? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
this "news" paper actually cared about people of colour, you'd spend
some time raising awareness of, for instance, people in parts of East
Africa facing war and famine, or people in parts of Asia exploited to
produce items we buy. But you don't, you just pump out very most banal
opinion pieces in our press and don't give a toss about people who are
most oppressed.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="May be an image of text that says "You don't need religion to have a moral compass. You need religion to cover up not having one."" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="247" src="https://scontent.flhr2-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/339305825_965988661200160_6338812267846553853_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=bv477MVGH_0AX_OaLFb&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-4.fna&oh=00_AfCMKsSAQGdWU1zDheNdTnhY58Kyru8JnZkak1r-oJp36A&oe=64354ED0" width="383" /><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How are you defining "moral compass"? (also wondering how you're defining "religion")</div></div></span><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Moral compass is easy: do no harm. Religion is just a polite word for superstition. "Immoral" actions are those that bring harm to yourself or others, not those that offend someone's imaginary friend.</i></div></div></span></div></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So you think that people who self harm are immoral? Who decided that that's what "religion" means? It's contrary to the dictionary and etymology</div></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>my
personal concept of morality applies only to me. I cannot describe any
other person as "immoral" because that would involve imposing my concept
of morality on others, which I have no right to do.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I do not believe that "morality" is or can be absolute. Definitions per Oxford Dictionaries:</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Religion:"the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods."</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Superstition:"excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings." I don't see much difference there. Bonus definition of superstition, per Stevie Wonder:"When you believe in things that you don't understand." Does it not apply?</i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Those are only parts of what the OED says. The
fundamental emphases are different. The etymology of "religion" is
about devotion, hence we talk about, for instance, religiously watching a
TV show. Meanwhile superstition, contrary to what
you've written, refers to belief lacking reasoning. Many people who
believe in God (though in fact I think that "religion" isn't a good word
to use for this, but I'm guessing that it's roughly what the OP means)
*do* have reasoning, as much as you might disagree with it, and the
Bible has verses specifically encouraging reasoning.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>superstitious people can be very devoted to their superstitions.</i></div></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Of
course there are different definitions in play here. When we speak of
"religion" do we mean belief in a God? What about religions like
Buddhism, that don't have gods? Or do we mean organized religion, which seems to me to be primarily a device for controlling people?</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Either way, I see no reason to assume that "morality" or ethical behavior are in any way connected to any concept of religion.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">S<span>ome people could be devoted to their superstitions, but I've not seen people attending services, reading books etc in relation to avoid breaking mirrors or suchlike. And though I totally get that people "practicing religion" appear irrational to you, some feel that they've experienced something or encountered reasoning leading them to conclude whatever it is that they believe, hence they commit far more of their lives than anyone commits to worrying about walking under ladders. </span><br /><span>Absolutely, it's difficult to define "religion". I tend to avoid using the word myself, other than to comment on my country's obsession with football. I see it generally being used to refer to belief systems that include deities and the metaphysical. Personally, I don't feel inclined to believe in "spiritual" things that can't be measured by science, but I came to conclude in studying science that, given various calculations made by scientists and the interdependence of biological systems, there's most likely a Designer.</span><br /><span>"Organised religion" is a more help term, yet still can mean wildly varying things. Jesus spent much time arguing with the religious leaders of His time, who were focused on chastising others regarding rules and were not actually seeking to follow God Himself, who had commanded helping the poor. And He threw around tables in the temple, where people were exploiting others for money. Clearly some selfish human beings make use of "religion" to take advantage of others, to assert control, or to feel better about their own evil - but this doesn't in itself prove actual beliefs (which the exploiters don't necessarily actually hold, even if they claim or use the language of a "religion"), to be wrong.</span><br /><span>Some "organised religion" is immensely positive. Our local soup kitchen was established and is run by the Churches in the area (across denominations). The UK's main food bank organisation was set up by Churches, and the biggest mainstream humanitarian charities (WaterAid, Save The Children, Oxfam - in addition to obvious ones such as Christian Aid) were initially established by Christians organising. For a long time hospitals and many schools were largely linked to Churches. If one is genuinely trying to follow Jesus's teachings, one will *want* to help others (in Christianity - I can't speak for other "religions", many of which I know have traditions of charity - one *can't* earn reward through good works, one is saved only becsause of what Jesus has done). If one believes that humans in need were created by God, rather than being only the result of chance alone and doomed to be eliminated given survival of the fittest, it could make one feel more inspired to help. If one feels overwhelmed by the goodness of what God has done/offers, it may make one more eager to show some goodness to others.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I reckon (as well as agreeing that men and women are different) that our culture should just generally worship sports less.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>No
one is “worshipping sports.” Athletics teach kids skills, confidence,
focus, persistence, etc. Allowing biological males to dominate over
females in a biologically segregated competition cannot be condoned nor
allowed.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't dispute whatsoever that sport should be segregated by biological
sex, you don't need to show me that well circulated photo. But our
culture *does* worship sport - not taking part in sport, that promotes
"confidence, focus" etc, sport that is watched by obsessive fans. Kids
aren't improving focus or persistence by watching other people play
sport. (In fact a fair few kids think that they'll become professional
sports people and thus don't bother much with important school subjects)
</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Obviously I'm not
saying that it shouldn't exist at all, but professional sport has become
a false religion. There are plenty of people who even say that football
is their religion, and I've seen it printed on Tshirts. It's not
unusual here in Britain for people to have their favourite football
teams featured in their obituaries and funerals. A recent headline from
The Guardian was a quote by a famous atheist stating that football fills
a God shaped hole (he apparently hasn't considered that we have a God
shaped hole because God put it there). Plenty of people have their moods
determined by how their favourite team is doing, favourite teams are
mentioned in political speeches, they're an identity. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I remember <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/pastormark?__cft__[0]=AZW-zOP_lCxqfHILbYfJXNlE89I27MLRnE3xGizMRQoZvgkT8LvFdN7DuF3WSBkrFU1En_g4WII_UcvqnEm6sGsvjVnoi6wrzzxNSW_hHHO9ZcK5P2Ivu-gpBEn7a9_6drkgoTNcwxYsj6rBEpLEDgzyugvBmNpfR9m1IymXBqi2taKIP8bjpMDo4w7ynPq_Olg&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>Mark Driscoll</span></span></a>
talking about visiting India and observing the worship of statues of
Hindu gods. A Christian woman there said to him that she'd struggle to
live in the US with all its idolatry, which he found weird given the
literal idol worship they were surrounded by. He got home and saw people
congregated around a TV screen, utterly obsessed with a sports match,
and understood what the woman had meant.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Ironic
in view of the Christian right's love affair with guns, wars and a
militarized police state. At least in America. Brits are slightly more
sane.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm pretty sure that many of them aren't actually Christian</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Trump called himself a genius, it doesn't mean that he is one. And North Korea calls itself Democratic.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I generally feel slightly pedantic about words <a tabindex="-1"></a>and
definitions (I think in part due to my Asperger's, whilst I'm well
aware that my own literacy skills aren't great). The misuse of "woke" by
many on the Right has been driving me nuts. I think that the actual
meanings of words, rather than what people claim about themselves, is
important in public discussion in finding points of agreement and in
understanding reality. If, for instance, people were to truly accept
that a genius is what Trump is, because he said so, in time to some
small extent actual geniuses would be wrongly associated with him and
academics would lose respect that they should have.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Because
I believe (I know it sounds daft, it'd take forever to explain the
reasoning for which I concluded it to be true) that Jesus offers the
greatest things people can experience, it worries me constantly that
some people ignore Him partially due to their understandable disdain for
unChristlike behaviour by some people who (generally for cultural
reasons, or to make themselves feel better) choose to call themselves
Christians.</div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://jezebel.com/conservative-pundit-calls-for-trans-people-to-be-eradic-1850188639?utm_campaign=Jezebel&utm_content=1677950041&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR12oCfOMZH8gTii4x1kJeXW-OlUEg1nEF1bE8G8dnUHEFnx9cej-hnqgXk" target="_blank">Conservative Pundit Calls for Trans People to Be 'Eradicated'</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"For the good of society, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,” Daily Wire's Michael Knowles said in a chilling genocidal rant at CPAC. </i><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't like him or endorse his words, but calling for *transgenderism*
to be "eradicated" is not remotely the same as calling for trans
*people* to be eradicated, for goodness sake Jezebel.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(also "genocidal" refers to murder on the basis of <a tabindex="-1"></a>*heritage*, hence "gen", you don't need to misuse words to convey that murder is evil)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Opposing
the belief that a person born/chromosomally male can be a woman or vice
versa, or opposing this view being taught/used as a basis for
determining access to single sex spaces, does not mean wanting to kill
people with that belief. What's not OK is the lack of empathy for those
with with this belief.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>first
off, “genocide,” while originating from words that define an ethnic
group, has evolved to include political, religious, and other minority
groups, so trans people can absolutely be subjected to genocide. Second,
I would ask you how one might propose to
“eradicate transgenderism” without eradicating those who are currently
trans? While I’m sure this guy would respond to such questions with “oh,
you woke liberals are misinterpreting my words,” the intent here is
clear, the (not-very-well) coded language is pretty explicit. And yes,
it’s entirely okay to not have empathy for such beliefs. So you’re
pretty much incorrect on all points.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Who decided that genocide means that? The dictionary definition says that it relates to an ethnic or national group.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I think that if you honestly believe he's suggesting killing people, you're believing things that are too much of a <a tabindex="-1"></a>stretch,
unless you have evidence. If I saw people on the Left arguing that
Trumpism should be eradicated (and I think it should) I wouldn't for a
moment think that they meant killing Trump supporters. I believe that
"eradicating transgenderism" refers to ending teaching that one can
change from one's birth sex in schools or implying it in media, and
likely ending "gender affirming" treatments, allowing people to be
legally recognised as the opposite of their birth sex, or allowing
people into the single sex spaces of the sex/gender opposite of that
into which they were born. I'm not saying that I agree with those
positions, but that's what is going to be meant by eradicating, unless
you have any evidence of him advocating killing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And yikes, I was referring to empathy for trans folk - empathy that Knowles should have even whilst he disagrees with them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>there are numerous definitions, scroll down to see various interpretations of the term: <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions?fbclid=IwAR0O-84RJiXQWH1on6lnkvKm5lxsdCoRV1OEyvZUNUI_VkXApKd7TEtbBw0" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions</a></i></div></div></div></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I think the difference in what you’re describing, “trumpism” vs “transgenderism,” is that the former is a belief and the latter is people.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why should the opinions of several individuals trump the dictionary regarding the definition of a word?<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
transgenderism is not "people", it is the belief by some people that
they are, or should be considered to be/treated as/referred to <a tabindex="-1"></a>as
the sex/gender opposite from that into which they were born/which their
chromosomes determine. They are human beings of immeasurable value (to
God if one believes in God), equal to other human beings, not determined
solely by their feelings/beliefs/identification.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
guess we’ll have to disagree on that; his intent seems quite clear to
me and he should be called out for it. Hitler, et al, probably said
things like “eradicate Judaism” early on and when pressed was like,
“what I mean is we should uphold Christian values.” And I’m sure the
rising careers of many genocidal leaders have similar examples. Let’s
not pretend there isn’t deep malice behind these kinds of declarations.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's
the slippery slope fallacy, and Reductio ad Hitlerum. We can't know
that a person or movement will become more and more extreme. Many voices
on the Right do this - they make their followers worry about
"socialised medicine" by linking universal healthcare to "Communism"
which their listeners think means Stalinlist gulags (we've had a
National Health Service here in Britain since 1948, but our country is
not socialist by any definition). They assert that supporting non-hetero
relationships will lead to accepting of pedophilia and bestiality.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
I understand your concern, and obviously evil movements do happen - I
really believe that we need to be very vigilant and *consctantly*
carefully, accurately examine precisely what's being said and done. One
will only be able to win others to one's own side by pointing out
dangerous things that have actually happened/been stated, not through
presumptions. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>eradicate
means to remove entirely. It implies violence. I can’t believe you are
defending him. No one is teaching anything other than tolerance. You
need to examine why you have a problem letting others make their own
choices. You can’t teach someone to be gay or turn anyone transgender by talking about it.</i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm not "defending him", his attitude in general is wrong and lacking empathy, I'm criticising the lying by Jezebel. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Plenty
of people say (online, here in the UK at least) that "religion" or
"Christianity" should be eradicated/elimated/got rid of - I've never
presumed that that means they want me dead. If they also said (in
equivalence to what Knowles saiad in this speech) that the eradication
of Christianity would be good for me (a Christian) I'd be particularly
certain that, whilst they'd be patronsing and wrong, they weren't
wishing *me* ill myself.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Eradicate"
only implies violence when referring to people themselves, he plaingly
says that he wants to eradicate an "ideology". Trans folk are human
beings, they are not only their gender identity (which is what you've
just implied, though you may not realise it). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">One
can absolutely disagree with him, and *should* keep an eye out,
carefully, for other things that he says - but wanting schools, media,
laws RE single sex spaces etc to cease to actively support the view that
a person can be a woman after being born/being chromosomally male or
vice versa is not calling for violence against people. Accuracy matters -
and frankly it's offensive to the victims of actual genocide, such as
those who were slaughtered in the Rwanda conflict or the Holocaust, to
assert that removing affirmative content from public life is "genocide".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Interesting that you refer to people "making their own decisions" and then to "teaching". </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Anyhoo, I've already spent too long arguing about this. Bye</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>You
believe so much believe in the bible, are you sure they didn't write it
to confused us!!why do we have different translation from the bible?I i
don't think no one can manipulate what God has given to us, take
instance like the sun, the Moon The earth, all these things have been in
existence no body can manipulate it these are realities, not the
writing by these people you call Luke, John, Mathew all and all did you
know you can also add your name, as well people will believe it after
maybe four generation</i></span> <br /><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why do you think that it would have been written to confuse us?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
do you mean by different translations? It's necessary for it to be
translated into English (and other languages) - though we also learn
somewhat about the original (Greek /Hebrew).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not denying the sun or the moon, nor does the Bible "manipulate" them
(I'm not sure what you mean by this?). I agree with you, God has given
us these (and it's good to try to understand them, and other aspects of
creation, better through science).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>please
am really confused!! I want you to lecture me.No one has seen God but
the same bible say that the lord God was coming down from heaven to have
fellowship with man you would also agree with me that it was the same
lord God who formed Man from the dust according to the bible,it was also
the lord God who introduced different languages, we were speaking the
same language according to the bible.when you read genesis 1 you
discover that God created man and woman but they were not a leaving
souls until the lord God came to form man from the dust according to
your bible...I want you to explain to me the difference between God and
the lord God or it both names mean the same.</i></span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You've asked some very interesting questions, I'm not talented enough to explain the answers very well. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(And we only have human brains, we can't fully comprehend God)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When
the Bible says "No one has seen God", the writer is talking to an
audience about what they had always believed - then God came, that's
Jesus. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yes God created
Man (and woman), though this may not have been *literally* from the
dust. The Bible is a compilation of different texts (for example, parts
of the New Testament are written as precise records of events, by people
who had seen them or spoken to witnesses, and some parts are letters
written between Christians). The account of creation is unlike other
parts of the Bible in that it has the pattern of ancient poetry from its
culture/time. So it may be that the creation details are not *literal* -
but they help us to understand that God created everything. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Different
languages don't translate precisely - there are not *exact*
translations for all words in all languages (for instance, the word
mañana in Spanish doesn't have an exact English version, so we have to
use the English words with the closest meaning we can when translating).
One example isthat, in the Bible's original texts, there were multiple
words that, when translated to English, all just become the 1 word
"love" - so as Christians though we read the English translation, we
also try to talk about and understand when the original writing used
words with more complicated/specific meanings. In the Bible, different
words from the original end up being "lord" in English (in fact,here in
the UK, "lord" still has different meanings) - sometimes that word is
talking about a person in authority, sometimes about God. This article
explains better than I can - <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.org%2FLORD-GOD-Lord-God.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR30WBZr7lnsxGV_pgLKigv77i7DDHueHhjrY8orIclBxD640_L2v425Gqk&h=AT32ZQnOgDAouX5sjKBt01EAfJSaIseuai_RNaiC90F3Sspfdg5U_T7P7tQ8V-HgZonAYA-TaHD9yWknTIQzEzszktwHUGqE0Nz60W2w27lTVZEZOOIzF0Nl7oxWmuc7Hkeb&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT0CYyeEU9WQOcDdR-jwnMgkPqLQCV-vyTdDHCypY3gtZBGW4DS1bZ--pNaIXxt4B0tBEgAtqsQUAgBsbFIcHdWj5PCtDSfVZ6ebCQjxViUXm5PbtLxVWj-SAE-8S26RkWPifVQPrkP0QLIIATjDqeqnZgzVeQ" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.gotquestions.org/LORD-GOD-Lord-God.html</a> - and the website also has many other helpful answers to questions.</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
want to thank you for spending time answering my questions. i really
appreciate i want to let you know that I am really interested in
learning with you because you have proven what no man has seen God, that
means Jesus Christ is not God, as many christian
believe. Jesus came informed of human being many people Saw him and even
touch him. second area you have thought me? the bible was translate to
English some and most of the word were not even found in English but
they use other words nearest in meaning to them i can boldly say not
every word you read from the bible is actually the words of God some of
them are translated according to Man knowledge just imagine translating
the word sin, going to heaven, going to Hall, just believe. you could go
on and on</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It is very good to talk with you, I'm just sorry that I don't have more free time.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
do you think that I wrote that Jesus is not God? I wrote that He is -
though our restricted human brains are not able to fully comprehend this
(that God is 3 in 1). Our brains cannot totally make sense of the
infinite creator who invented us. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
I wrote, in regard to the verse that "no one has seen God", is that at
this point the writer (who is writing a letter to some early followers
of Jesus) is talking about the way that things had always been up until
this point. They had long religious traditions, and things that they
said to each other and believed throughout the generations of history
before. But *then* Jesus came.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
somewhat like how, during the Covid pandemic, many people said that our
government had never stopped people visiting their friends or going to
different places. At that time, those things had never happened before -
but then, suddenly, those things were happening.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry that I'm not explaining very well!</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
most important thing is that Jesus rose from the dead, and therefore
demonstrated that He was telling the truth when He said that He could
defeat death and make possible forgiveness and eternal life for us
(though we don't deserve it). Again, this is impossible for us to fully
get our headsaround (me especially, I feel that instinctively disbelieve
spiritual/supernatural things), but I came to believe that it is the
truth, an actual historical event, after I'd read in detail about it
from scholars. Then I decided to follow Jesus, and have found that I
feel inner peace like I never did before - though there are also many
people who have been in very bad circumstances (like taking part in very
bad behaviour) when they choose to follow Jesus, and they've found that
their lives have *then* changed completely for the better and Jesus
helps them to totally change their behaviour.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What do you believe, by the way, if don't mind me asking (obviously you don't have to tell me!</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I
want to thank you for time answering to my question i really
appreciate. I was born in a Christian home my mom and dad believe in
Christianity they were told about the story of Jesus Christ they got
interested in following Jesus till now. my great grandparents were not
Christian but they believe in God.I am mostly concerned in what you
believe but for me I also believe in Jesus Christ because my parents
thought me that name anytime we are in trouble we should call the
name.did you know any time I want to pray i make my prayers through
Jesus Christ because I don't know any i only believe the name that's why
the name always saved me, am only concern about the Jesus.you said he
is God, even Jesus never assume him self to be God we human do I can
also see you as God if you saved me from trouble but it is good for
human to take the glory.you believe Jesus Christ is God and no Man have
seen God right i want to prove you wrong Jesus is a messenger he came to
deliver a message he is not God God can't not die for a man Jesus came
informed of human being people carry him people saw him did you get my
point maybe there's something the bible is not adding up you know that I
believe in supreme being i believe in heart the center of your life
that's where life begins you will not see God just as you can't see your
heart God is the central of your heart.God created everything good and
bad you have within you to think good and bad now where is God he's in
your heart you can't see it but he is there</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
very interested by what you've written, thankyou for sharing. And I'm
so thrilled that you have found prayer in Jesus' name helpful. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">May I ask why you think that He never said that He was *only* a messenger?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
think that, if prayer in His name helps (though obviously, what we pray
for does not always happen,or happens at a later time in the future,
because - God may have a reason that we don't know) it shows that He has
power.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity
began because people had heard His teachings and seen that He was
resurrected after He was killled. Though a few centuries later,
Christianity became linked to political power, originally followers were
in disagreement with the structures of power in their communities. So
following Him and spreading the news about Him was dangerous and not
worth doing if He was just a messenger - but they knew that He had
defeated death and offered eternal life(heaven), so they knew that even
if they were executed (many were) they had no need to fear.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
can't get my head around it, but having read in detail from historians
about the resurrection, I reached the conclusion that it must actually
have happened - of course I know it probably sounds odd!</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">John
10:28-30 "[Jesus said]'I give them eternal life, and they will never
perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has
given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them
out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.' "</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">John
20:27-28 "Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here, and see my
hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not
disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Matthew 4:7 "Jesus said to him, 'Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ' "</div></span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><u><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto" style="color: #2b00fe;">Rishi Sunak’s new small boats legislation</span></u><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><u><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></u><br /></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Those
who want urgently to stop migration should have realised by now that
the Tories are utterly incapable. In fact, the might not even want to
"stop the boats", despite repeating the slogan ad nauseum (instead of
offering helpful solutions), because <a tabindex="-1"></a>they can use
the migrant situation to distract the public whilst they continue to
damage public services and to personally profit from their position in
government.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We were,
supposedly, somewhat a "Christian country" (though in reality being a
Christian is a personal decision) - Christ repeatedly told us to love
others, specifically including (though it was extremely counter cultural
at the time) those from elsewhere.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you
must be a religious Christian not a born again as described in the
bible.. as love others doesn't mean let mobs flood invade your borders.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's
honestly hilarious. Please do explain why my comment shows that I'm not
born again. And love others does mean caring about people from
elsewhere, many whom (not all I'm well aware) are in need. You judging
and disdaining people with <a tabindex="-1"></a>no willingness to consider their different situations is entirely contrary to what Jesus commanded.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Dear
Ms Dalton, I am gently questioning your peculiar view gentle as I can..
linking the open borders propaganda to faith in Jesus is terribly
lacking of a deeper understanding of the gospel.. start with Matthew
mark Luke and John.. the open border propaganda has an agenda and is
funded internationally by a German nazi named George soros.. you are
swallowing the decoy narrative in linking this to the gospel..maybe you
can show me a particular Bible verse..Jesus is my king and i was
baptized in a bathtub in East London and I attended a small fellowship
at Calvary chapel westminster.... controlled immigration is fine but a
nation is a community and the gospel does not call for a community
opening its borders to unsustainable floods of immigrants..and i say
floods because the numbers being talked about is certainly a
flood..unless you think the numbers are meaningless and can prove how
these numbers will all be ministered too and change their current belief
system and faiths..you can expect a sharpest change in some of the core
values that shaped your nation over the last 300 years..</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span>I don't want to argue, so I apolise if I come across argumentative, but I really am perplxed that you're so certain your view is Christ-like, *and* that I must not be born again on the basis of my comment.</span><br /><span>You've not explained any theological basis for presuming that I'm not born again - and with all due respect (truly) simply naming gospels rather than actually citing teachings/passages/verses seems to suggest a lack of familiarity with scripture (I could well be wrong, so apolgies, but I can't think of another explanation). I have, obviously, read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John many times - if you want to make an argument you should quote portions from them that support your argument - and conspiracy theories about George Soros (who's Jewish, so I don't know why you think he's a Nazi) are not scripture. Frankly worrying about conspiracies seems to me to disregard what we know - that God will not be overruled by human forces, He is in control, and the real battle is not with the </span><br /><br /><span>Mark 12:28 “Which commandment is the most important of all?”</span><br /><span>Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.” (I could cite more pasages if necessary?)</span><br /><br /><span>I didn't say anything about "open borders", that you accuse me simply of listening to "propaganda" implies that you're not weighing up the whole issue. And why, exactly, do you think that concern for refugees must basedon "propaganda"? Propaganda means material serving the aims and power of someone - so I'd ask who you think the "propaganda" you're imagining is supposedly serving, but I guess you mean Soros or others you have conspiracy theories about. But it's actually entirely possible to feel some empathy for other human beings without reading any "propagnda" - especially when Jesus has called us to love others. He even told us to love our enemies, so how could you think that He doesn't want us to have any empathy for people from elsewhere? When He taught the parable of the Good Samaritan, He was talking to people who feared and hated Samaritans just as some people fear and hate migrants. He lived amongst people who actually had been subjugated by another people group (the Romans) - we AREN'T being invaded/subjugated at all - but He was telling listeners to love their enemies (and not to work for their nation to be free of the outsiders).</span><br /><br /><span>I am very aware that some of those coming should not be. I know that some are coming because they think they can get rich here, and some are involved in crime. But it is irrational to lump them all together and to refuse to believe the reality that there are many coming because they are desperate for safety. As Christians, we should have awareness that some people may need help, and therefore support cases being looked at, rather than presuming that they're all "bad".</span><br /><br /><span>"The numbers being talked about"? Are you simpy believing the *propaganda* of Right wing politicians using fear to distract the public? Braverman has no evidence for daft "numbers".</span><br /><br /><span>I'm really struck that you refer to a "change in core values" - our society has already given up belief in God and core values are disappearing quickly. It's atheism that's most changing our society. And British people aren't convertying to Islam. In fact many Muslims share with us (Christians) values that the rest of our society now shuns. There are also migrants who are Christian, such that the Churches that are growing in the UK are those comprised of people from elsewhere (whilst Churches of white Brits decline) - including some who are fleeing persecution in their home countries because of being Christian.</span><br /><br /><span>Anyhoo, I'm genuinely thrilled if you've been born again, and that Jesus is your king.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto" style="color: #2b00fe;"><u>'The
problem with Forbes is not that she's religious, it's the certain kind
of religion that she professes which is now very out of touch.'</u></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">S</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he's repeatedly explained that she's not going to change the situation RE marriage.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>she's
a religious supremacist who opposes equality under the law and
religious freedom for others, she has no place in a progressive party.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">A</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ccording to what evidence?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>According to her when she said she'd have voted against gay marriage.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">T</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat's not evidence for your assertions at all.</span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Yeah
it is, she said she'd have voted to oppose equality under the law and
freedom of religion (as in other sects/faiths who want to legally marry
gay couples).</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You clearly have a bias here and if we were talking about a religious opposition to other kinds of equality, say a mixed race marriage, I doubt you would be defending that supremacist stance.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Her
having a religion doesn't mean that she's a "supremacist", what you're
saying is that she's not allowed a view. Others who vote for same sex
marraige obviously believe that their view is better than hers, and
they're allowed to do so.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not a matter of "equality", nor comparable to race, it's about
redefining marraige (as no longer being between a man and a woman). And
it's settled now, so it really makes no sense that people are obsessing
over it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Theres
no need for the victim complex, she's legally entitled to her view,
just not the support of progressive voters when she's in a progressive
party and acting against party positions and liberal values. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Being pro-equality is better than being in favour of second class citizenship yes, obviously. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You
not liking a valid comparison isn't a counter to it and people aren't
going to be tolerant of supremacist political policies because you play
victim over it.</i></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
didn't express a victim complex. I explained why this isn't about
equality/lack thereof and that your comparison was false, I didn't just
"not like" it. Again, you throwing around the word "supremacist" is not
rational. And SNP members will vote for who they want, not who you think
they should vote for. "Progressivism" is not just about sex, and
everyone can have their own combination of positions - some of us
believe in a loving God's guidance RE relationships and also in fairer
wealth distribution, helping the poor etc (it's intriguing to me that
some seem to think that the others celebrating their sex lives is much
more important than those things)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It is a victim complex when you make up that i said she isn't entitled to her views.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The comparison is perfectly valid when we're talking about conservative religious opposition to equality under the law.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Support for second class citizenship is a textbook surpremacist attitude. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>No one was even talking about sex but its telling you hear gay marriage and reduce it down to sex lol.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Just be up front about your values, if you're anti-equality and anti-religious freedom just own it.</i><span> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span>You've implied that she's not entitled to her views. And I don't really consider being effectively told to shut up to make me (since you've said that *I* have a victim complex) a "victim" (though I might disagree with it) there are people elsewhere in our world being killed for being Christian.</span><br /><span>Did you miss my point about why the comparison isn't valid?</span><br /><span>It's not a matter of "second class citizenship". Not being married does not make one "second class". </span><br /><span>"No one was talking about sex"? My point was about an observsation of the wider cultural conversation linking to the issue (and the questioning of Kate Forbes), not only this thread, following your remark about being "progressive".</span><br /><span>My values are that God loves humanity, so much that Jesus died for us. He gave guidance about what to do and not do, He loves *people* equally even whilst not endorsing all *actions*. Jesus and the New Testament emphasise equality, though this was counter-cultural at the time.</span><br /><span>Anyhoo, I shouldn't have written all that because I ought to get on with other things. In all seriousness, I hope that you have a great week. Bye.</span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It’s
not the fact she’s promised not to change anything RE same-sex
marriage. It’s the fact she has demonstrated that she informs key
political decisions using her religious views, and puts them above the
nexus of the party she purports to represent; and the constituents that elected her on that manifesto - not her religious orientation.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">E</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ach
person has values informing their decisions. Many politicians are
plainly motivated, at least at times, more by greed or power lust than
by care for constituents. Forbes happens to believe in a man who told us
to love or neighbours <a tabindex="-1"></a>and to care for the vulnerable.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>She
also believes in a biblical institution that endorses murder, child
sexual abuse, genocide and slavery - but we never talk about this. If
she wants to inform her decisions through her religion, then she’s in
the wrong job. She should become a religious
minister. Then her conscience will be settled. The same goes for every
other politician whose political decisions are informed by their
religious preferences.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"the
same"??? What "institution" exactly? She follows Jesus, she's not
approving of the actions of all other people who have *claimed* (many
falsely so - certainly falsely so if they've acted in such extremely
unChristlike ways) to be Christian. All manner of institutions and
groups have had evil people within them, humanity is an endlessly
complicated mixture of good and bad - people are not to blame for or
supportive of the actions of others simply on the basis of a
tenuous/oversimplified supposed link. What matters are a person's own
actions, values and plans.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>And
now you’re oversimplifying the very thing you are accusing myself of
oversimplifying. If she follows ‘Jesus’ she’ll know that Jesus never
referred to homosexuality and same-sex marriage. So in that respect, she
had not been informed by the teachings of Jesus - but the religious
institution that has constructed itself around said teaching,
conveniently adding and taking things away to support their narrative
and element of control.</i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry, how have I oversimplified?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
it seems that you've lumped all people who've called themselves
Christians together. Different Church groups throughout history have
differed significantly, and many have failed to genuinely follow Jesus,
just as He said would be the case.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
don't know that Jesus "never referred" to it, we don't have records of
everything that He said, but His audience already knew God's guidance on
relationships, so He had no reason to comment. Elsewhere in the NT, to a
wider audience, restrictions RE sex are upheld whilst other OT laws
(which were ceremonial instead) are nullified.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
the issue of sexuality is minor as compared to Jesus, who died for
*anyone* who chooses to turn to Him, yet it's always what gets discussed
in our media when someone's Christian. Jesus is offering something
greater. Those of us who have an orthodox view on sexuality aren't
expecting others to agree with us, and we're not thinking about changing
what other people do on this issue, we wish that other people know
*Him* because (we believe they'd benefit), and we want to do good in the
world as Jesus commanded. I'm so sorry that many people, whilst
claiming to follow Jesus, have instead been unkind.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Religions
don't belong in politics. Religions are divisive as all Religions state
that they are superior to other Religions and only the word of their
own God is "the word." Religions should be a private matter, practiced
in private and should not be allowed to have influence in the political decision making process. Religions bring hate and war.</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">P</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">lainly you have your own religion.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I do, it's not "mainstream" religion and I posess enough decency and respect for others to keep it private and to myself.</i></span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Kate Forbes was *asked* repeatedly, so this wasn't really a matter of keeping things to oneself.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Are
you keeping it to yourself? Your profile picture and comments suggest
that you're sharing your beliefs (including the belief that <a tabindex="-1"></a>"mainstream" religion should be kept away), and you are entitled to do so. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Plenty
of people claiming to be Christian have "shared" their beliefs in ways
that suggest that they aren't really following Jesus - but if one
genuinely believes in The Good News of Him, it makes sense that one
would feel it should be shared.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>My
profile picture, to me, is just a point of interest and is not intended
as representation of what I believe, what I believe only ever comes up
in conversation with those in my innermost circle, I'm sorry that you
misunderstand. I'm not going into detail as I do
not want to be accused of preaching, influencing or coercion, but what I
will say is that in what I believe there are no deities/gods or
commandments.</i></span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
certainly wouldn't accuse you of anything for simply explaining your
views in the context of a discussion. But you'd have the right to
"preach" if you wanted. Either way, coercion means forcing someone to do
something, and discussing one's beliefs doesn't mean that another person is forced to agree with them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not sure how exactly you delineate between displaying something as a
"point of interest" and answering questions in an interview, but I'm not
going to argue.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Crucially,
even if one does not believe in a diety (and yes, I presumed that you -
as someone displaying a pentagram - don't), each person has values
informing their decisions. Many politicians are plainly motivated, at
least at times, more by greed or power lust than by care for
constituents. Forbes happens to believe in a man who told us to love or
neighbours and to care for the vulnerable.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpremierchristian.news%2Fen%2Fnews%2Farticle%2Fdid-god-send-the-earthquake-as-a-punishment-for-sin%3Futm_term%3DAutofeed%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0B-25aK6HeGjzwnuIahYsUg4LHrH2kurlzaBBNio95UPcJ-DA8IUG4s7c%23Echobox%3D1676651914&h=AT31aPwj1HDMUm9XzEiiOgwQH2QUnfUxytZp4kdyLQhhiA-e19hU7qD3cqeDXxibGvaNqAqgJmnJUpVVZSQKFVh5VNBfVWhexnPFRIeJ-wVe6Hl5vpmIniC3HBDLah2KHSDu&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1bguVj8EycBdmzVrBiBA_SLymZoHWAY3yjD_RKTi8J_MBuW1q5XxRlYv6rSZ8AALwhMgPN37688dnwC_HfwBgASn8cp8Pf4yplQqjXIoU50NfhJi5bNx9MtguAdodt2Na6KOXmOeFEezPy2_BVbdFSplPL5eZaqWY91HAwTJg7UKAwgg" target="_blank">Turkey-Syria Quake: "Did God send the earthquake as a punishment for sin?"</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No, see Luke 13:4 (The Tower of Siloam)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
believe so much believe in the bible, are you sure they didn't write it
to confused us!!why do we have different translation from the bible?I i
don't think no one can manipulate what God has given to us, take
instance like the sun, the Moon The earth, all these things have been in
existence no body can manipulate it these are realities, not the
writing by these people you call Luke, John, Mathew all and all did you
know you can also add your name, as well people will believe it after
maybe four generation</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why do you think that it would have been written to confuse us?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
do you mean by different translations? It's necessary for it to be
translated into English (and other languages) - though we also learn
somewhat about the original (Greek <a tabindex="-1"></a>/Hebrew).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not denying the sun or the moon, nor does the Bible "manipulate" them
(I'm not sure what you mean by this?). I agree with you, God has given
us these (and it's good to try to understand them, and other aspects of
creation, better through science).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>please
am really confused!! I want you to lecture me.No one has seen God but
the same bible say that the lord God was coming down from heaven to have
fellowship with man you would also agree with me that it was the same
lord God who formed Man from the dust according to
the bible,it was also the lord God who introduced different languages,
we were speaking the same language according to the bible.when you read
genesis 1 you discover that God created man and woman but they were not a
leaving souls until the lord God came to form man from the dust
according to your bible...I want you to explain to me the difference
between God and the lord God or it both names mean the same.</i></span> <br /></div>You've asked some very interesting
questions, I'm not talented enough to explain the answers very well. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(And we only have human brains, we can't fully comprehend God)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When the Bible says "No one <a tabindex="-1"></a>has seen God", the writer is talking to an audience about what they had always believed - then God came, that's Jesus. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yes
God created Man (and woman), though this may not have been *literally*
from the dust. The Bible is a compilation of different texts (for
example, parts of the New Testament are written as precise records of
events, by people who had seen them or spoken to witnesses, and some
parts are letters written between Christians). The account of creation
is unlike other parts of the Bible in that it has the pattern of ancient
poetry from its culture/time. So it may be that the creation details
are not *literal* - but they help us to understand that God created
everything. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Different
languages don't translate precisely - there are not *exact* translations
for all words in all languages (for instance, the word mañana in
Spanish doesn't have an exact English version, so we have to use the
English words with the closest meaning we can when translating). One
example isthat, in the Bible's original texts, there were multiple words
that, when translated to English, all just become the 1 word "love" -
so as Christians though we read the English translation, we also try to
talk about and understand when the original writing used words with more
complicated/specific meanings. In the Bible, different words from the
original end up being "lord" in English (in fact,here in the UK, "lord"
still has different meanings) - sometimes that word is talking about a
person in authority, sometimes about God. This article explains better
than I can - <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.gotquestions.org/LORD-GOD-Lord-God.html?fbclid=IwAR2WEkHib0qmrx7BS_TYQ-5jMWZsSqawVT9lud68LiW41ecI4apPi3WwGNs" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.gotquestions.org/LORD-GOD-Lord-God.html</a> - and the website also has many other helpful answers to questions.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/life/man-faces-20000-vet-bill-to-save-dogs-life-376842?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=JOE.co.uk&utm_campaign=feed&fbclid=IwAR0zp7xbymVaHZvUEVfb-LEHGkOXyhK-WqezX9X24YDgRLHUhi1Pt5bskdk" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Man faces £20,000 vet bill to save dog’s life</span></a><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Yet
if this was his child, it’d be completely free. Pets are family just as
much as human beings, these numbers are just plucked out of thin air,
always been that way and it’s disgusting.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No,
pets are not equal to children. They must be cared for, but they are
not the same as humans and they are enjoyed by their owners, not the
responsibility of others to pay for. Furthermore, human beings
contribute to society and pay <a tabindex="-1"></a>taxes to enable the NHS, dogs don't.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">so
why is your cover photo of a dog an kitten? Some humans on this earth
aren’t worth oxygen but every animal is probably worthy of a place here.
You think our taxes go to the NHS and not the fat cats pockets in
charge of this country? <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🥴" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tee/1/16/1f974.png" width="16" /></span> bye Felicia <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="👋🏼" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t76/1/16/1f44b_1f3fc.png" width="16" /></span></span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
used to draw cute animals because we like to look at cute animals, it's
not evidence that they're as important as humans. I also like to look
at cake, that doesn't mean that it's as important as humans or animals.
Many men stare at random women they find attractive, that doesn't mean
that they value those women as much as the people they actually know. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
wonder why you think that some humans aren't worth oxygen but every
animal is(?) Plenty of animals cause pain to other animals - of course,
that's their nature and they aren't really aware, but that's the point -
animals do not have anything like the consciousness, reasoning or
values that humans do, thus whilst they should be respected and cared
for they aren't equal to human beings.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>you
do realise we have working dogs ? You know …..those that act as service
dogs for the blind, impaired, police dogs, military working dogs,
medical dogs etc etc. </i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>How about all the lazy dole wallers we pay for ? that contribute nothing to society ,and only bleed and drain it dry ?</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">And
kudos to those dogs, they're amazing, but almost all dogs do not
contribute to public services. Again, they're awesome and should be
cared for, but the owners who are getting enjoyment from their company
are responsible, not taxpayers.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ok the same can be said for people banging out kids…….why should I pay for them ?</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">those Kids are human beings, not just enjoyment for adults like pets are for
owners. If their parents are irresponsible, it's not their fault. They
deserve, like each of us, to have enough of what they need to grow up,
and then they can <a tabindex="-1"></a>contribute to society themselves.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F23300695.glasgow-gender-critical-rally-met-trans-activist-counter-protest%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1B0vruNZL5moVjdBxbCFeXA_K-_AlUqhyIJBrXhpMQlOogB-zB8ca_Pug&h=AT1sXlaMk1sgMykcGwY5HRdSxyotXiYIIM_mIA-Mb-YTO86_nPMB-9uE2HyaeaqV8l5VwQ3A4sfOgYfdjJkYJQsgI7Opc27XVfRNwDzU4AWctoVwjXdAWa_i8JW8ce2kLKvy&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2fvcMACMHO6JJdlu7rNJkL6MaXkM4CcrZudDju2qOa8x5zuCZJRfzZ9iuRBdOVZOWH7dviOlUk3oq36iWcSBmNYnzpRetkxyXz38NcvPLbkYA8D1CEBdo6eo7jPaIgn4K-8Huwryovj56n-RuTmLwCRYOrSemLcLBliyxj9tHBfpNhCmGUFBl-eqKoiIXKdv4MpgvnGETiWQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Protesters on both sides of Scotland's gender recognition reform debate gathered</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">We
need to remove the fake news and right wing bigotry from this debate.
In order for both sides to be heard. Since this debate started, I’ve not
heard one single justifiable reason why this should be opposed.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You use the word "heard" twice, but it seems that you haven't been listening</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
have Grace. I have gone out my way many times to find what a real
concern is of the GRA to woman. So far when I have had feedback. All I
get is abuse from some woman that aren’t happy about it. I suggest you
read this thread and see how Julie is behaving.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">H<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ow is Julie being abusive? Where have you gone out of your way previously?</span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>over
the past several months and indeed years since this has been going on. I
have asked woman to give me a actual concern there is about trans
people having equal rights. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I’ll even ask you the question?</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
doesn't answer the questions (where's the "abuse" from Julie, for
instance?) - I'm honestly wondering where you've been if you've really
not encountered people explaining concerns. This debate is constantly
raging on Twitter, for instance, and with all issues I believe we need
to look at both sides and follow pages we disagree with so that we can
have better understanding of those with other views.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
you've referred to this being about "trans people having equal rights"
says a lot in itself. This isn't about "trans people having equal
rights", it's about the other people, and structures, in society being
compelled to adhere to people's feelings over biology. It is, of course,
vital that trans folk have equal rights (access to services, jobs,
safety etc - and respect as human beings) - but rights are not based on
what the individual feels/believes about themselves. If I assert
something about myself, that I have this on official documentation, and
have other people affirm and accommodate my belief, is not a right. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Please
try to comprehend that many women feel a part of their indentity is
being undermined - all the more so given that this conversation often
ends up coming back to stereotypes that we should be trying to break
(see for example, India Willoughby mocking women with short hair)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
particular concerns that strike me with regard to the proposed reforms
are that, in spite of supporters' claims, women will be at risk from
*men* (I mean men, I'm not referring to trans folk) who *will* be able
to take advantage; and that young people who are unhapppy amidst the
confusion of growing up will be affirmed in all the more in their
disdain for their own bodies. Studies have found that the vast majority
of young people who feel that they're trans are in fact happy with their
birth sex later on if their new gender is not reinforced. It is not
progressive or caring to tell a young person that they are indeed in the
wrong body, and to interfere with their hormones. If the adults in my
life had endorsed how I felt about my body when I was a teenager, I'd be
dead right now.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Importantly,
I really don't want trans folk to be hurt or disadvantaged. I don't
feel that affirming their dislike of their biology is the most caring
thing to do, though I'm not going to argue with them personally. But
either way, reducing the involvement of medical professionals in their
journey, as the reforms would do, is certainly not caring - and I've
heard multiple trans folk argue against the GRR bill because they feel
that it actually means less support for them.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/greta-thunberg-joins-activists-protest-against-a-wind-farm-in-norway/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=203299808&fbclid=IwAR0t9zP10FoA2K2Qmh911XeqYSvYNH68Sv2WIRxAD8B1HJ0ZApeFiV-1o_E" target="_blank">Greta Thunberg joins activists' protest against a wind farm in Norway </a><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
is nuts. That a people group have ancestors who used all of an area in
the past for something specific doesn't mean that they're entitled to
all of that land for the rest of time, the planet belongs to humanity
and needs saving from climate change.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>CBS why don't you talk about the China virus????</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You lied to everyone and said it was a conspiracy!!!!</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do
you mean that you believe it's a conspiracy, because you are a
conspiracy *theorist*, and you're annoyed with news outlets for calling
your conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory? And you think that, now
there's more official support for the possiity that the virus originated
in a lab, your theory that it was a conspiracy has been proven? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Even
if it did originate in a lab, it's not a conspiracy unless it was
*deliberately* created and released to undermine society/for profit, and
those who claim that it was ceated deliberately are conspiracy
theorists by definition, even if the theory turns out to be correct.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbbc.in%2F3Rr9XGg%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3FfXRERfbKSxs2lVM6GdRkWVcqNYG76NY4pjLU9ZqCfDjj2qoqrvxZL84&h=AT2r54KfE5MQV6k7bZlE1Zc0S1Sq9z-v0R2y8ipkU-1MVFc_qJKETyUyTjnOTFknDbwc224C6rZKrW668YxtPvW1AuRFYSfH82FMF49u7-TSvPIgE5WbW-d96HrkOsCWP9H1&__tn__=-UK*F" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">Pope Francis will conduct mass on the outskirts of the capital, Kinshasa</span></a><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
want to let you know that the Pope does not have respect black people
all they want is to get rid of their resources....to rule over them <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😅" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t53/1/16/1f605.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😅" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t53/1/16/1f605.png" width="16" /></span> take control of everything</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hy exactly do you think that?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Christianity
is not the Africa Way of worshipping their own God.Every human being on
the planet earth today have his own way to communicate with his
creator.Did you believe Christianity is Africa religion? Christianity is
just two thousand years ago we have been in existence for billions of year</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">N</span>o, human beings have not existed for billions of years. Of course Christianity began 2000 years ago when <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus
came, but people only discovering something at a certain time does not
that it's incorrect. He always existed. Christianity had <a tabindex="-1"></a>followers
in Africa *before* it became established in Europe. But ultimately
there is no "way" that anyone is compelled to believe or worship because
of where they were born or live. Each person must decide themselves
what they believe (and live peacefully with people who have different
beliefs). The many people in Africa who believe in Jesus have the right
to believe (and people with other beliefs have the right to those
beliefs, though not to hurt others)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
is evil that, in the past, some people went to Africa and hurt
/exploited people. They were not truly Christian, even when they claimed
to be, because they were not following the teachings of Jesus. Today I
want desperately, more than I have words for, for the exploitation of
Africa by banks and corporations from my part of the world to end (it's
not the Pope who's the problem), I wish I knew how to change things.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Well
spoken it was alright dearly reading your text I know Africa country
must come back where it was before the white man came specifically
Nigeria, thank you for your time</span></i> <br /><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
personally find that a relationship with Jesus gives me peace and hope,
and I think that this is part of the reason that many people in Africa
are Christian. It is amazing, observing from the West, how some people
in Africa have resilience that people here in the UK don't have - and
when I visited Mozambique I met many Christians who, though materially
disadvantaged, were very joyful and also generous (whereas in my secular
culture in Britain people just complain about not having enough).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
wish that those who hold power here in the West would follow Jesus'
commands to love people from elsewhere, then they would end the
exploitation of Africa.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/officialbenshapiro/posts/pfbid03GuqknLy6TGmfFCuq3kjMh1seYPKqCN2EKFb4KnhGtuHCUtyKDjYgHrj374MxRDdl?comment_id=2235898453258733" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Sam Smith's Revolting New Music Video | Matt Walsh Reacts</span></a> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
music industry has long had a lot of sexual imagery, but honestly I
think that the video discussed brings gross-ness to a new level. And
*not* because of Sam Smith's size or gender claims - if you go on about
those you enable defenders to claim you're only complaining because
you're fatphobic and "queer phobic".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Also
note that the issue in Sodom and Gomorrah was not necessarily gay sex
(though I believe that God does prohibit this), it was rape.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">For
the record, Sam Smith has had a number of very successful songs aside
from Stay With Me - he's got a good voice - it seems a shame he's now
relying on shock value rather than music.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
find it striking how the lyrics of the song are "I'm not here to make
friends.... I need a lover" - of course that word has long been oddly
used in our culture, but it's still somehow particularly stark in that
nothing whatsoever about the video has anything to do with love (in
contrast to, for instance, Symphony by Clean Bandit, another gay music
video that sticks out in my mind, which *is* actually about love). And
as he told the interviewer, it's sex that he wants. Our language needs
the different words that the original Bible texts had for referring to
different things which in English get lumped together as "love".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sam
Smith is nominated for a Grammy for "Unholy", a which is specifically
celebrating a father committing adultery (and the frankly risible
materialism of the person he's cheating with). Of course those who don't
believe in God's guidance RE relationships and sex won't see any reason
to restrict sex to straight marriage, and it really won't help to call
them "immoral" for that - but it's there's a change in our culture when
more people are asserting that the selfishness of material greed and
infidelity are good.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=595397805785553&set=a.400802338578435&__cft__[0]=AZU9QGRNIaEnrw4V6zg7WLQT2S7lC19U3Jj0EdhKaM4sWtoq18Go5VvihSH4kK-Ch02EPc05theH01t2GcZJLdmWzaSVrsudO7Wyk1maMaYBR-usrWVezyKjrsOdgFX3Jecdq0nuGARp-IlrAm4KbBzc&__tn__=EH-R" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Pope Francis says homosexuality is "a sin" but "not a crime"</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There's
a distinction between orientation and sex. The Bible (in the New
Testament, not just the Old) says that God (who loves and understands
humanity better than we can) prohibits sex outside of straight marriage,
it says nothing about orientation. Our culture is so obsessed with sex
that it's forgotten that one can live happily without it (as I know
personally).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But The
Gospel is incomparably more important than this debate. All of us have
failed to follow God's guidance in one way or another, and all of us are
offered salvation through Jesus. Christians must have genuine
compassion for LGBT folk, even if we disagree with certain actions.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fpolitics%2F23270979.worst-examples-union-jackery-exposed%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3aBbK0xPfwNhvM5bA_bOBsh05spJOEokTftVQ5jcKhW76Fi8YjCAg-bOQ&h=AT3NE73aeioY1XIXrJwi3aWEeb29VBNd5pBO77uLjchSLZpPNcAv0LVDWuCLbOGPKn6EtFjZxPQgWkOOkKsvQbvXYbQt2uB9qsoz0Ljf4qYxJU33ha15Q5kiHCULWM98o7nq&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3epgmJlscsg-JIFySCIIwcWLRXNFWGiZHBWfJyFgCeIWex4t9F3zlAQS_2NMfpkjEnRa9rnYEAMNAwAi3i9sucmU304PXN1_BTeDxiuZpi7WcMkOhFRSgGIawmH0n7bBF9LR46a5o9-9nAIyrRXylc6IvNaPAPI_afSKeOUljUedncUQ4" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The worst examples of Union Jackery on Scots produce</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Just
because you're obsessed with breaking up the UK doesn't mean it's
inaccurate for the Union flag to be on Scottish produce. People here in
the comments talking about avoiding products on the basis of the flag on
their packaging is hilarious.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">when
our flag is deliberately left out and the Union Jack is in place and we
are bombarded with them everywhere [Union Jack's] it is just another
stamp of authority over Scotland from our 'oppressors' and the phasing
out of 'Scottishness' and serves to try and
diminish Scotland's sense of worth and sense of self-worth and to
promote only Unionism..... which we all should know by now, or at least
be wakening up to the fact that is is NOT a Union!!</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">t's
not "deliberately left out", there's no need for it to be on the
packaging in the first place. I'm not keen on Union flag, but it's
useful on packaging to instantly tell buyers that the item is from
Britain (ie without a high <a tabindex="-1"></a>carbon footprint from
shipping), which the items above are. Those shoppers interested can also
read where in Britain precisely items are from. The religion of
divisive nationalism is not relevant to people buying their groceries.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="May be an image of 3 people and text that says "Sigurd the Mighty @MightySigurd I am so tired of living like it's the the 1600s. Can afford eggs at the market? Are my friends gonna die in the plague? Puritans coming for my sinful lifestyle. want some modern problems. Modern Problems"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="526" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/327203675_3415280712049134_6069383215348465813_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sv4VbrlvMvgAX8CoPBL&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AfD6gqmvvmA8tbEk21_GSc9dda3pRA7Pyn3q2PLmPcYN-Q&oe=63DBF014" width="526" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
actually look at history and feel grateful and seriously happy about
things that we have now. For most of human history we didn't have
gadgets; endless entertainment and things to read; mostly secure/weather
proof /potentially snug housing; endless choices of food and drink;
opportunities to enjoy some of the wonders of the world that are beyond
our immediate environment; the potential of curing *some* illnesses etc
etc</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There are many people in our world who still don't have many of these things.</div></div></span></div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2F2023%2Fjan%2F23%2Fgordon-brown-warns-tories-two-tier-healthcare-system-charges-undermine-nhs%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0sQNAlDYBglyUw-pDGmUhJ6orTYCk8ukwooMSoGb494wAZ8rKcILNTLaA%23Echobox%3D1674458646&h=AT0O7s-RcfNd68ZnqgUtb7Czb8HoSEeZmkgNNQ3zuMewCFxIIkUuB2YUv3bbnLb-49IpGyzTp4nuNINFw6ux0nh127HsCftiGqCsbArDkeUuUJ045K9ZYrfZ0m7iaEG2Dx0e&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1wWzA9171BTi_FXcXa1hTxhkvnq8UAlRVO0NNSLj7g52zFWMkvDTlwpblMF_tFQV6yIz9ZgAb_lAHFO8cjtXMUXc0kb3yKW_laNa5x_RAUct4Wm4lPrpGMwC42H1sVOKZYoIZVw7pN31UKf-C-keCcSjrr8Kq_mMyOyfR0eALLvkHr_aum" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Sajid Javid's idea to charge patients</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
*does* need to be something done to reduce unnecessary appointments.
But not this (probably better public education/information about which
services one needs and when). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
I've not heard being discussed is that what Jsvid's^ suggesting would
impact society as a whole, not only the individual (not that the impact
on the individual isn't enough of a reason to oppose it of course).
People won't only suffer personally when they don't see healthcare
professionals, some will pass on infections to others, or become more
ill and less able to help their families and society (ultimately hurting
the economy)</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fnewshour%2Fshow%2Fsenators-question-ticketmaster-over-monopoly-concerns-botched-taylor-swift-ticket-sale%3Futm_campaign%3Dnewshour%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26utm_medium%3Dpbsofficial%26utm_content%3D1674673212%26fbclid%3DIwAR3tYrjdqYSugXtbmA_yp0CmiucMdfw_FHswQj6Qe0D45uLMZbjsZVYF-C4&h=AT1Vi_xiUfv9BH_xVt3Asp9In67YDsbKwfQlnsX3ycdqX9nTkMszb2-xxTDgkFhwCbrwuvBSi_zTcVpXVQRPsv4ICYHmPemNBYRBnafCIKrvbeByIkB28nYaFW0kYxtxSRhp&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1NrkkHEbnxwQigeHgZt9zCE_yI-2cit8SnHTnn6iHvtnTS0idKwiKCOh9j9G2vkRdGvq7OFnSm9Lfhcph8L8VduE9JSGBYYQoGLcHcC5fHpkaoqDd8b_mJYnP_MVp7dl8yRWd0-IVlmE4bD1wiw4W4yoZkw3jK8NUTG0XzwCJJvf6FAA" target="_blank">The </a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fnewshour%2Fshow%2Fsenators-question-ticketmaster-over-monopoly-concerns-botched-taylor-swift-ticket-sale%3Futm_campaign%3Dnewshour%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26utm_medium%3Dpbsofficial%26utm_content%3D1674673212%26fbclid%3DIwAR3tYrjdqYSugXtbmA_yp0CmiucMdfw_FHswQj6Qe0D45uLMZbjsZVYF-C4&h=AT1Vi_xiUfv9BH_xVt3Asp9In67YDsbKwfQlnsX3ycdqX9nTkMszb2-xxTDgkFhwCbrwuvBSi_zTcVpXVQRPsv4ICYHmPemNBYRBnafCIKrvbeByIkB28nYaFW0kYxtxSRhp&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1NrkkHEbnxwQigeHgZt9zCE_yI-2cit8SnHTnn6iHvtnTS0idKwiKCOh9j9G2vkRdGvq7OFnSm9Lfhcph8L8VduE9JSGBYYQoGLcHcC5fHpkaoqDd8b_mJYnP_MVp7dl8yRWd0-IVlmE4bD1wiw4W4yoZkw3jK8NUTG0XzwCJJvf6FAA" target="_blank">Senate Judiciary Committee hammered Ticketmaster(RE Taylor Swift ticket issues)</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">There
are people literally starving to death in our world, and politicians
are spending their time on whether obsessive fans get to stand hundreds
of yards from a specific singer?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid02he4etGh8KJ5PYWrbj4e5LVDW5ZTwwNzFaCABDtYga5NuL7qDeRtidQn7DczjCT3ol?comment_id=3238175209829487" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">'There is an issue with British people not working and relying on benefits.'</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No,
more people are in work than previously - but more and more salaries
aren't enough to live on because of fractured households and rising
housing and energy costs.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">In
my experience, and that of the other person I've heard from about this,
the current supposed support for getting people with various
disabilities into work is utterly useless (though I know that there are
some great people working in this area). The government trying to brag
about getting people to work is risible.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fus-supreme-court-politics-colorado-state-government-legal-proceedings-news-703696ee4e398d066d5841711e1aa438%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0R-z9e03UjJ4nCT07v7H2hGLJ2V-k9tMgIgXCHbmhR2WlQi1Oz7Wy72M8&h=AT0Re1RTBd-bXhTT3wVk4FmC4uaitPAJe1xTY41tEH1Uts06Yry1KSqGbd5mDHjE86aReoHcZ6mLtgkeq7Gwl8chi-HGTQ9ojUkHV2suIwBIIy0eIpLbAG956XomGszR39az&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0-gwLDwZbSHnOtSvgp3efjRgpJByMq31MttT6L7kwbKgldHJK6eYasr6OZ5lqStCx_Hz1O-iXsy2pIdRgQ7t23QtvKHWJoAsPt7uLzZ57JLEtqcFj9pt083fYSJYuOmQyl4BcFljyJyXO6z3oajRxP3OqQxMAFLpRVg2K2GAAnC4arIg" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Colorado baker lost an appeal over transgender cake</span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It is completely irrational and totalitarian to force someone to create something against their will</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he's not being forced. He's welcome to close his business. He's not welcome to discriminate against patrons.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">H<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">e's not discriminating against a patron. He's refusing to make a specific design.</span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>and only because that design is representative of a gender transition. This is not a semantics game. It’s not.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And?
People shouldn't be forced to create things that they don't believe in.
Should a Muslim or atheist baker be made to create a cake stating
"Jesus is Lord"? Or a vegan Baker be made to create a cake stating "meat
is great"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A customised <a tabindex="-1"></a>cake
is an entirely non essential item, the customer is not being
disadvantaged, they're actively trying to cause the baker difficulty
because they hate his beliefs.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>she didn't order a banana, she ordered a cake from a cake shop. It's a reasonable expectation of service. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If
he doesn't want to make cakes for MONEY, then he's free to not do that.
What he's not free to do is pick and choose who he is going
to make cakes for based on discriminatory factors that are legally
defined, in the US Code, and backed up by the 14th amendment. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>All
he has to do is stop making money off of cakes. Then he can do WHATEVER
he wants. But he's not going to do that, is he? Because making cakes
isn't REALLY about his faith...</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, he ISN'T picking and choosing who he makes cakes for.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And you didn't answer the questions.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>YES
HE IS! He's openly admitting to that part! He refused service once he
found out who and what it was for, not based on the design itself! </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And to answer your "questions," yeah, they should, as long as they are operating as a for profit business.
If you want to make money off of something, the law protects people
from being discriminated based on a number of personally uncontrollable
factors: no one's money is more valuable that someone else's. </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Again,
they are all welcome to commit that prejudice if they don't want money
for cakes. Have you ever heard the line "Give unto Caesar what is
Caesar's," or what about "Thou cannot serve God and mammon." The point
is this man isn't making cakes for the love of God, he's doing it FOR
MONEY. That's the difference!</i></div></div>If he refused on the basis of what the cake is for, that IS about the cake, not the person.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't know why you think that those verse prove your point, this isn't
about him loving money, it's his craft and his livelihood. It's really
not <a tabindex="-1"></a>progressive to demand that someone lose their
livelihood on the basis of their convictions/beliefs. It's not a matter
of prejudice, some people believe that God loves humanity and has not
put people in incorrect bodies.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
absolutely believe that we must treat teabs folk with genuine respect,
but caring about people doesn't mean having to state agreement.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>he
IS a bigot. His living God told him to love his neighbor as himself but
instead he decided to use his for profit BUSINESS to discriminate
against several of them for not believing what he believes. It's the
definition of bigotry. It's self righteous judgement, not love. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Now,
if you feel the need to have the last word here, go ahead. You clearly
have your mind closed and your legal opinion here is based solely on
your own prejudice, not on the code.</i></div></div>"he
decided to use his business to discriminate"? Good grief no, the
customer clearly sought him out to so that they could take him to court.
As much as you want to call him a bigot, that's not been proven unless
he's *actively* mistreated the customer - the active party here is the
customer who is acting against the baker because they don't tolerate his
beliefs.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And loving one's neighbour does not mean declaring something that one does not believe is God's loving design for them. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
about the design, not the person, unless you can prove that they
wouldn't have been allowed to buy any other cakes, such as birthday
cakes, since you mention them.</div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid0czkcMiR4PWdc1Y6mWt4PfK5Mb5o6ZFDDftHBUyWV9hwS36VdeVRDu54mSodJ6twUl?comment_id=846569893083185" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Should Rishi sack Zahawi now? </span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">We
have a PM who's OK with a party chairman who was dodging taxes while
being in charge of everyone else's taxes, as well as a home secretary -
in charge of the nation's security - who breached security protocol.
What kind of leader does that make Sunak?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/posts/pfbid02QB95NXXTgnBYtXjsH4pki9ymLC9LfpzjWBLeN9zGZTwbBcpLHt6vRFAgkbZbr3frl?comment_id=1924842667848010" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">13,566 beds were taken up with medically fit patients, new NHS statistics show</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
government should be encouraging and helping families to move elderly
relatives in with them (I know that this won't be possible in all
situations).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I get that
each situation is different and none of my business, but it doesn't seem
to make sense that quite so many elderly folk are living alone
experiencing loneliness and being at risk of falling etc, when they
could be passing on their wisdom to younger generations. There could
also be savings for all involved on total living costs (bills).</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pastormark/posts/pfbid02nPpUU1Q4Svg5daWEibz7Gvanh8UVQAZT4D14mf6mqjYYoVmqtXe1RQ5pMqd1d3vQl?comment_id=843597700052323" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Ma</span></a><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pastormark/posts/pfbid02nPpUU1Q4Svg5daWEibz7Gvanh8UVQAZT4D14mf6mqjYYoVmqtXe1RQ5pMqd1d3vQl?comment_id=843597700052323" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">rk Driscoll "I've
said it before and l'Il say it again: If you are not a Christian, you
are going to hell. It's not unloving to say that. It's unloving to not
say that.</span></a>OK,
but I think we really need to always add some clarity to that -
"Christian", unfortunately, is a word that has long been misused in our
culture.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We need to tell
people that Jesus offers them salvation, whoever they are, and all of
us need Him (whereas some non Christians feel that Christians see
themselves/ourselves as above other people).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Since
many people think "Christian" means part of a club, we should instead
explain that it's turning to Jesus that matters (and it's He, not being
in what people outside presume is a weird club, who saves us from hell).
Remember what you used to say all the time? It's all about Jesus.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2023%2F01%2F28%2Fhow-scotland-became-wokest-country-world%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1TVKMnU21q3mx33AUzd2aBpQ3X8VrPSXol7bayFXYf2p1fnjc8R1adhmk%23Echobox%3D1674940840&h=AT0cpoxLzhji1YQ3L-Sr-HE4-9V2LRKG2aSrEBqWwBaFHwziEJN92tXzSnjauCImoBkcnmum2cHdmDznPKk3rrD6D4WKjTXqULgFZG55pibw9uje3hc8ZOcrDFL0Ljb3Sdqk&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0x9WXPUeLY86Epkc2WaM3-OJZMMb8o2ei-hSXY1IRapDq6cLqmBv9zeilN9Qndm49LjUgnRJqv1hI8HeetZksYdb9ND6_WV2rvn_KVkPW3Ep-no-ShzVR5f_TsGTBMdKHP5MLaOYMUKKeyyCl78Rpa54Aux-SNXwa6vSDiXhpOilSjULol" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">How then did Scotland become known as the wokest in the world? </span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
should start by finding out what "woke" actually means, and stop
tossing it around when your vocabulary is lacking. (for the record, I
strongly disagree with Sturgeon)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">woke -a state of awareness only achieved by those dumb enough to look for injustice in everything .except their own behavior.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Making up your own definitions is not an argument.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">definition are all made up ...its when they fit perfectly that it sits .</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ot
really. Words have agreed upon definitions, relating to linguistic
patterns, and that's how people can understand each other and discuss
their views. To choose a new meaning for a word and think it's clever
because you don't have adequate vocabulary to explain your actual
complaint is juvenile.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpremierchristian.news%2Fen%2Fnews%2Farticle%2Fchurch-court-to-rule-on-whether-pride-flag-can-stay-on-altar%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3paiASj9kwof_x3F0iGrKQ1AsPh4T11q0NaHH9BqKe5RyqkXHFSDQ7pUs%23Echobox%3D1674990472&h=AT3RMqhPgfj_d5tOXyO7OmIJ3JjDBd2g4BNPAEaLamr94qBgicnUJhrxYWxDVlMsu_tOUvGJ618guyl_OMXpsuqcQwo8O8ypdwAEZygAcDR5xHy4peT56NofSEGToFfpvB_n&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3ZNPQWdBxmu8bMUV2vmfpjYlYuJdNfpcTUWAZVGx5VnGqmS-fNKjn1fJ2DyHA9NfOjAUrUkrPazy_lFEKSp2DoNozlBir2f7aB__IADgKUcwYXMA8RievS3507O7db443nwUKu0GjddBnYmCjbgxoe1ypYe6TSsIHdrZsMH540v-g7UA" target="_blank">...<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">whether a rainbow Pride flag can remain permanently on the altar of a church</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why should a place of worship have an alter to sexuality?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">to show how welcoming the church is to LGBTQ+ people, maybe?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Flags
celebrating sexuality are not necessary for welcoming people. God does
not want us to worship anything else. Church MUST be about worshipping
God alone, not the false idol of sex that our sociey is enthralled to.
LGBT people who <a tabindex="-1"></a>come into the Church should be
treated with respect like anyone else who comes into the Church. And the
emphasis for all of us as Christians is that we are defined by our
relationship with Christ, not by identity politics. The world encourages
us to feel pride in our sexuality, nationality etc (in part to sell
products or to hold control) - but we know as Christians that those
things are unimportant compared to our new identity.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A flag isn’t worshiping sex. Thankfully not all Christians think like you.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> I certainly wouldn’t worship a god that does nothing about his representatives raping kids</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
flag specifically designed to celebrate sexuality. And our culture
*does* idolise sex (partly because it sells), as have many cultures in
human history. God calls us to love Him more than flesh. He is so much
better - and sexual relationships aren't necessary
for enjoying life (as I know personally - and do gay/same sex attracted
Christians who choose to be celibate)<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not sure why you think God "does nothing" about the evil you refer to,
how do you know? And why associate this evil with priests in particular?
Tragically, it's a problem that exists across society.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-shut-down-the-antisemitism-debate-now-its-silencing-women-hd63g5xb7?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR28HsX7i9AyOz5YWJqPH-NRSo40hDsbEC1z_XAtrZ-j3bHjjRam_EYnhoI#Echobox=1675008472" target="_blank">Labour shut down the antisemitism debate. Now it’s silencing women</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why do the media keep bothering Labour about this and not the Tories? I've not heard Sunak asked to define what a woman is.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>so you want just news on one party ? Why are you trying to hide what the opposition is up too ?</i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Why are you not worried he has no idea what you are ?</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Just
about one party"? That's my point, the Right leaning press keeps
hassling Labour about this, but not challenging the Government to
clearly define what a woman is. And Sunak's government is now planning
to make it illegal to encourage people to embrace their biological/birth
sex.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yes I really wish
Starmer would be clearer on the matter, but it's not that "he has no
idea who I am", particularly given his recent references to biology.
Sunak cut Overseas Aid, which has meant that programmes to help some of
the world's poorest girls access education were terminated, putting them
at risk of being forced to be married off in their teens. A party that
chooses to leave girls to be forced into marriage is not a party on the
side of women and girls.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">. <br /></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/news/sandi-toksvig-meet-archbishop-canterbury-church-of-englands-rejection-same-sex-marriage-2099411?ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR10kUZYE2K07KbOYrc4ISm5DteqP4K25G7B8x38WGMrakgOd4koVxCPvPs#Echobox=1674398020" target="_blank">Sandi Toksvig to meet Archbishop of Canterbury after C of E’s rejection of same-sex marriage </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Her statement last year was so full of misunderstandings. And this debate is ultimately unimportant compared to The Gospel.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">it is hugely importantl to many many people - even if not to you...The
interpretations & misinterpretations within & about "the gospel"
continue to cause huge problems & heartache for many...</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
didn't say that it's not important at all, I said that it's unimportant
in *comparison* to the Gospel. Why would one think that sexual
relationships are as important as the offer of eternal life? Some of us
enjoy life without ever having sex at all.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">v
unworldly & unworthy. Gay people's relationships aren't always
about sex either; that is nothing but a distortion &
misinterpretation of the core of concerns here. Equality in marriage is
what this is about. So many different & some hugely
erroneous interpretations of "the gospel" and what fairness and
equality means for disadvantaged and marginalised minority groups.
Spouting euphemisms and personal views does not equate to either a
full.or fair understanding of the issues here.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
didn't say that gay relationships are only about sex, of course they
aren't, but that's the crux of the issue. It's that which the Bible
prohibits, and which people have thus been arguing about - people could
have celibate relationships <a tabindex="-1"></a>without the need for this debate.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
isn't simply about "equality in marriage", all people can get married,
it's about redefining marriage and how we view God's guidance.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Personal
views"? If you disagree with me, it doesn't mean that what I've written
is merely my "personal view" and yours is correct. We could debate the
relevant scripture, but I'm not sure this argument is helpful.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">AGAIN, eternal life is more important, I'm not sure why that should be controversial(?)</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">well,
well, well! I can't see ANY evidence of you showing much understanding
of or empathy for gay people. Your dogmatic "interpretation" of "the
gospel" is open to significant challenge. However you clearly have a
fixed and predetermined view which is not open to discourse so</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You
didn't suggest any points of discourse, you simply threw a few
pejoratives at me and declared what I referred to was only my "personal
view", as though I have no scriptural basis for my conclusions. You call
my interpretation dogmatic, but we've not
discussed the bases of our interpretations and you've not offered any
counter arguments (I suspect I know what they might be, I have been
following both sides of this debate a fair bit). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Empathy
does not mean supporting all of another person's actions. It means
loving the *person* themselves. And as I've said, I want people to know
that Jesus (who is greater than any relationship we have with another
human) more than I want to argue about this, I'm not sure why you think
that's objectionable.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">because
there are many and varied interpretations of "the gospel" and yours is
but one. Sandi Toksvig and many practising and well read/researched
Christians both believe and see otherwise - my personal choice is to go
with them; yours is a more limited (& many would say) outdated perspective. Best just to leave it at that as there is no common ground here...</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Sandi
Toksvig demonstrated that she's entirely unaware of the discussion
within the Christian community - in particular, she claimed that "the
main takeaway" from the Lambeth conference, despite various problems in
the world, was that gay sex is a sin - but there *was* much discussion
at the conference about other things going on in the world. Our culture
chooses to presume that sexuality is of the utmost importance and
ignores the many other things Christians discuss.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">as
I very clearly said we have no common area of agreement & no basis
for further discussion. Sandi Toksvig may well not have got everything
right; however there are many other practising and well researched
Christians who very clearly disagree with your
perspective and that of the traditionalists within the Anglican
communion; so we will just terminate this now and agree to disagree...</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o common area of agreement? So Jesus is of no significance?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I wouldn't say the debate about people's lives is"ultimately unimportant"!.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>What
happened to us loving each other and treating each other as we would be
treat. Ultimately every religion preaches love, it is the people who
profess to be religious but who judge others with prejudice and ignorance that is the problem sadly.</i></div></span> <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not about lives, it's about sexual relationships. The Gospel is about
eternal life, which is more important than sex. I'm not saying that this
issue is in itself unimportant, I'm saying that it's unimportant *in
comparison* <a tabindex="-1"></a>to what Jesus offers each person. I
want gay people to know that He loves and died for them more than to
discuss their relationships. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed
we should love others, and gay people *must* be shown real respect and
empathy. That doesn't mean defying the guidance of our God - who loves
humanity and knows us better than we do - in Churches. It wouldn't be
loving for a sibling to tell their sibling that their Dad's guidance is
wrong. But again, what Jesus has done is more important than this
debate.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjacobin.com%2F2023%2F01%2Fisrael-new-antisemitism-anti-zionism-ihra-definition-antony-lerman%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3wHcS3gmVBEGpSNcW01njJFJZkP2kTaQiabu9Be6raqyCQ3Xio9uinVSI&h=AT0wv8RQXZ1gkwEyvfOddmiw3cH_5fkrt_noRsJQcc3-npqXmHjn7BnwBvOwYfDnqjOUiBCFZG14yXdV77pSYuiEAfZ42b5pOydX04wfBmjwxSNHFfocoFhUhKu1QMqZW4l0&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT11tatpUlSv1-8c1dLnpAtJIyoKSWSesKnVZ8MPUjcJKzdBPlH4lt-MkjH_fu4IfI0VSoxqPXdbyc17S7QXXqir8Axmndvo98VO0qiDiFsAGjubf0yhc92JmfcLA8i6l3zuk47ipn6_ginfM4RsjI5tO-mt_w0YJTR7605Aeq4FnUEUKw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Church of England set out proposals to allow priests to bless gay couples but not marry them in churches</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB,
The Gospel is incomparably more important than the issues regarding
sexuality that the media seem to consider the only reason for ever
discussing anything relating to the Church or Christianity. The CofE
shouldn't contradict God's guidance RE <a tabindex="-1"></a>relationships
- but we've ALL, in one way or another, failed to follow His guidance,
and we are all offered salvation through Jesus.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Jesus showed compassion to people as well as telling them to turn away from certain behaviours - Churches must emulate this.</div></div></span></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">in
my opinion the church of England is not really a church because it is
driven by the state and not biblical principles. That’s why it’s called
the Church of England it is a state/religious organization.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
think that's true to an extent, but it's also difficult that there are
so many people in it with very differing opinions - that should of
course be manageable, but it's not because, it appears, some seem not
really to be committed <a tabindex="-1"></a>primarily to Jesus. I think
that the sexuality debate is so impossible for the Church because some
people believe that sex is fundamental to enjoying life - but it isn't,
God is greater. The campaigners I see (follow closely on social media)
arguing about this (sexuality and the Church) seem disinterested in the
Gospel.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's also the
case that some people have, unacceptably, been treated in an unkind,
unChristlike way on the basis of sexuality issues. The Church needs to
show that *people themselves* are precious and loved by God even if
their sexual relationships aren't.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I
think there’s a very specific way of showing them that love. We are
supposed to speak the truth in love. But people who are receiving or are
being given a word they disagree with, will never see that it is being
offered in love. We do not get to change what God
has said. We do not get to bless what God has not blessed. Certainly,
all sinners are welcomed into the church. But if they are an unrepentant
cent center, if they have not yet accepted Christ the Savior, and given
up their sin, then they can attend the church, but they cannot be
blessed, they cannot take communion, they cannot be in a position of
leadership. That’s per the Bible. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And
so yes, God does love them and he wants them to come to repentance and
we can welcome them to the church. We can welcome them into our
friendship. But you don’t have to except the behavior that God calls us
in. We do that as parents with our children all the time. Our children
behave. In ways that the Bible calls send. They lie. They manipulators.
They backtalk and show disrespect. We still love them. But we correct
that behavior . This is no different.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
agree. I'm just conscious that some people have been treated genuinely
unkindly, not in a way that Jesus treated those caught in sin, and it's
important that Christians do have real empathy for others, which some
very judgemental attitudes imply is lacking. I think that some forget
that they themselves have also needed forgiveness for sin, that
knowledge should give us a real humility in how we interact with those
who aren't yet believers. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Those
who don't yet believe have no reason to take God's guidance RE sex
seriously (thus there's no point whatsoever in criticising - just as a
child won't listen to the instruction of an adult with whom they have no
relationship/respect). Instead they've been led by society to feel that
their sexuality is their core identity, we need to try to imagine how
that feels. We need to focus on telling about Jesus, it's He who
matters. When they love God, they'll take His guidance seriously - but
again, it's their coming to Him that ultimately matters anyway.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What about all the children the churches have molested?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Tragically,
there are perverts throughout society and a few end up in each sector,
including sports clubs, the police, Westminster, Hollywood, etc...</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That doesn't make abuse any less awful of course, but it's not logical to deem it a particularly Church specific issue.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If
the gospel, the church and christianity are unconcerned with the way
people treat one another, His guidance isn’t worth following.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">When did I or the OP suggest that how we treat others doesn't matter?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Dismissing
the stance of organized religion that refuses to acknowledge the
legitimacy of same-sex marriage, is a reflection of how you believe
others deserve to be treated.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
doesn't actually answer the question. And it's not a matter of
"organised religion", it's about God's guidance - God who loves humanity
and knows better than we do what's best for us. You and others have
every right to disbelieve that, but the Church is supposed to follow God
and should not be made to actively perform services to the contrary.
Ultimately you're presuming that not holding services some people want
is mistreatment, but it isn't. And you're trying to express interest in
what some people want, but demanding that the feelings of other people
are *actively* over ruled, that they be forced to do something against
their will. The Church believes that marriage is between one man and one
woman, that is not mistreatment, and LGBT people must absolutely be
treated with respect as much as everyone else. Those who believe
differently from the Church can still get married outside of it. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Crucially,
it's mistaken to presume that romance/sex are actually essential for an
enjoyed/fulfilled life - speaking from experience. God gives more joy.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <img alt="May be an image of text that says "Update: The government will add content that show people crossing the Channel in small boats "positive light" to a list of illegal content in the Online Harms bill. in a They say it will help stop 'TikTok' traffickers and those aiding immigration offences. SP"" class="x85a59c x193iq5w x4fas0m x19kjcj4" data-sf-ready="1" data-visualcompletion="media-vc-image" height="384" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/326265623_737484207749643_3337443073204209160_n.png?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=xUWa9T8eWa4AX_z2aTX&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AfCQoKL89FVGP2fHcoOZkqf4peg20Y5_k66WvFpdDAjlIQ&oe=63D27599" width="384" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">We
- Brits - should have compassion for migrants, but it's absolutely
right that the content traffickers are using to render journeys in a
positive light and lure people here is stopped, why all the angry
reactions?</span></span></span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/reel/3392456080969196/?comment_id=571059154540833&reply_comment_id=5523490217774051" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">'An attack on trans people'? NUJ Scotland President criticises UK government's blocking of gender recognition act in Scotland</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's not an attack, at all</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">objectively and demonstrably an attack on trans people. Fact.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">D<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">emonstrate then.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>tell me you know nothing about the subject without telling me you know nothing about the subject!</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Perhaps
your grasp of basic human rights is a little rusty but restricting
people based on their demographic is wholly against basic human rights. Demonising
an entire community, bullying the most vulnerable demographic in modern
society, how is this anything but against basic human rights? </i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not that access is denied, it's that access to some things is sex
based. People aren't being singled out or prevented from accessing
things they should access, they're just not having access determined by
their feelings rather than <a tabindex="-1"></a>biology. And seriously, what services exactly? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, it's not an attack, nor bullying, nor demonising.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
whilst trans folk may not be a threat, I never said that they are, what
you're asking for will allow some predatory non trans men to have more
opportunities to abuse women. Why do you not care about that?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>the
side of the issue is about basic access to services taken for granted
by the vast majority being restricted for no reason other than fear and
hate for something misunderstood. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>This is hyperbole in itself, the entire trans community is being singled
out for what? What’s the % of their population that present a problem?
What’s the % of other populations/communities/demographics presenting
the same problems? </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Inaccurate? Check the above information out if you want “accuracy” in what you’re saying in the future.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
haven't demonised bullied or restricted rights, and nor has the
government (who I typically disagree with) by blocking this bill. And
again, it's not an "attack".</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Using such inaccurate hyperbole really doesn't help people to see your <a tabindex="-1"></a>side of this issue, it gives the impression that you're not being rational.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/posts/pfbid02eMNvA4XczBRX4ZDeLEywoWLSHx1fFWd5qxSZoDQJiss5X3HpKaajZe7oog3XKyjsl?comment_id=752280116328433" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">G</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">uy bathes in fancy bottled water - and says his £4,000 a year cost is completely worth it</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">There
are some people in our world who don't have clean tap water to drink
(and have to walk miles carrying what little, unclean water they can get
- some children have to miss school to carry it, and some are made
seriously ill by the water). The amount he's spending each year could
provide ongoing clean water for a village.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebridgehead.ca%2F2023%2F01%2F18%2Fthe-uk-government-blocks-scotlands-radical-transgender-bill-and-trans-activists-are-melting-down%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0D6QMoq-zzByslYbAp67r8jcqDfRBgs6lm3kWHh6yeNTyM4vQji75laeg&h=AT2jP7Y44CmR_mzw6IQ1eq144bZT3By8jPWYkbsO8AMQmws8h36dsc7ehrbP1-sW7hslk5H8ba7OQ6QU7mSZmRSNSw-guTj5o5BHVBKjZMIm_Fejz1Z7kl0RSS9MGAf6CRCo&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT2VFUQ9IBqfuzBU2OA90Rjj8A1nSVrXNzJspD9uEj-F6e-TZnRsIKUZDjcC2w43rpoOxrQTTdRowoizqNWlPtYEeN7tlb18FmDIFQbXk-nYA--Nws0mZiVFLbKo8FVzNSjKXXcLkCUK_a4FIOjjUEe-97MuJB24OlO7WlyXuMT1FVl4dA" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The UK government blocks Scotland’s radical transgender bill–and trans activists are melting down</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yuh,
this has been a relatively big story here. It's very unusual for me to
be grateful for something our government does. Positive too is that the
leader of our Labour party, very likely to become PM in the next
election, has (despite being generally unclear on the gender issue,
clearly trying, but failing, to please everyone) not supported the bill.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
reckon that the Scottish National Party is trying to use it to stoke
the fight between itself and the UK government, so it can argue further
to Scottish voters that they ought to be independent. The Scottish first
minister, Nicola Sturgeon, argued that the UK government are using
trans folk as a political football - but it's she who's doing that. And
so far as I've read, most Scots oppose the bill, she's not acting in
their interests.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><br /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid02q1WQqAL1ZTJtukXG7y1uvgfmu94NRgtq7RCc15XjpXAnPyWUizHSXC1GThvfTQGsl?comment_id=569531325070733" target="_blank"><br /></a></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid02q1WQqAL1ZTJtukXG7y1uvgfmu94NRgtq7RCc15XjpXAnPyWUizHSXC1GThvfTQGsl?comment_id=569531325070733" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Do you deserve a pay rise?</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">IMO
we also need to talk about the super rich being paid less. In addition
to the issue of inflation, there's not enough money for everyone to have
a pay rise - unless action is taken to reduce the salaries of those who
rake in massive amounts.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Personally I'm just thrilled to have work.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="May be an image of 1 person and text that says "Sajid Javid calls for patients to pay for GP and A&E visits Radical reforms needed to tackle waiting times, says former health secretary PA Media Fri 20 Jan 2023 23.42 GMT"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="598" src="https://scontent.flhr10-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/327079901_923061059060032_8631431840278079015_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=g6te9_fNo6oAX-I4FRH&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-2.fna&oh=00_AfDHrlk9BLFfBslKL6VWr69yjARdQlYfArhRk6oh8LmVqA&oe=63D1DAB1" width="526" /> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
*does* need to be something done to reduce unnecessary appointments.
But not this (probably better public education/information about which
services one needs and when). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
I've not heard being discussed is that what he's^ suggesting would
impact society as a whole, not only the individual (not that the impact
on the individual isn't enough of a reason to oppose it of course).
People won't only suffer personally when they don't see healthcare
professionals, some will pass on infections to others, or become more
ill and less able to help their families and society (ultimately hurting
the economy)</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpremierchristian.news%2Fen%2Fnews%2Farticle%2Ftv-vicar-rev-richard-coles-reveals-he-had-same-sex-relationship-blessed-in-2010%3Futm_term%3DAutofeed%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2BYUTkekcrIf14arw8bvFxZPUhyYczM0FQk1wIxeplM2GmrB3YYcI2j2E%23Echobox%3D1674379381&h=AT3yWImloOeKf6fA0aJQgEeLBtJP1NvyGytLkHb5GsrieHH6jfVwPA9nPyp43ItsR1VA1l3ePzpO7xFuqVxI7hRnNdWrC2R-r7HXuCLCJMnfm94u9hl2stqm7ny5Qhrh7Tzv&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT04MsPsdBjhIKUoLpkF3yy9pHltQaFB84jAZ16h0ODDjycdIOzNTa8pZp40R96FPbiULiEjbAIyuzSaNz3T5a-IXSEjHP5QGVFAVEL8u5EGBpydkUNgUe7p4O-bIgP1_uoL9_2zKv5SHdVQFsz8UnnYi0zPj6AYbX0vNM3KcXXQun5pNRtyB-AXF6XKb_FYqI0NyXnoF2Hk" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">TV vicar Rev Richard Coles reveals he had same-sex relationship blessed in 2010</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He
also said (in 2 BBC interviews of recent months) that he lied to the
Church about celibacy, and (in the one with Sally Phillips over
Christmas) that he "had to" in order "to do what we wanted". I'm afarid I
find that pretty shocking from a minister. Christianity is not about
getting what we want. And celibacy is not a hardship.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fsociety%2F2023%2Fjan%2F22%2Fwork-less-live-more-is-it-time-to-end-the-five-day-week%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR14z2SV6jaXr3iyAOs4B0gLnseJxMjFFs1c3A2RcGuhSTsv0l_VrDF_ots%23Echobox%3D1674382811&h=AT3Ln880l-gTyee0PnDTyjsYELnESqe0htKTCG4BW4THrB0fsQG7pvFoC4yHK9JIR7oTut9BOhEa24CjdFdIAONyO24uE5zZp36MTL6VNjKYJZOWGC9-jqu1LQvraYmdMiG5&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3A-TaBKMKgkVOQh3ctLtlYLaOlvxTpVMFB0hPPvcMAy2OJaxKFO3oTjtAb3234EtZIWI3XsW_-kmWeNCLhNRuE-KafmHQC79xXCPWsAmhQpL7v2G-OCyonQnkIlEIL3_JoYzoI0O7jLFTCxZdEaAbM4fyTmoNKJKLb4fFaOUqZN6PtaqVK" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Research shows that working fewer hours can be far more productive</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Apologies
for the whataboutism, but Guardian would you please also write more
about the people in our world who are forced to work ridiculously long
hours in sweatshops, factories, mines and plantations to provide things
that we buy?</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-news%2Fae-doctor-explains-nhs-pressures-29017255%3Futm_source%3Dfacebook.com%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dmirror_main%26fbclid%3DIwAR2OXcWVop0u463u78en3MrzB01g_OmuRPhASU-2WkS0S393vbX2BUmMbos&h=AT3ll6WHm45x7myh7LxUu05aSn91zuwOCbS2UzyDjpvlCGWPbm_4TRiUMmF5h5n2hjIIsWUFDtq6VgSLaL8SHkxFgdfWC0ZwC6PJcHcLYt8sJlnbTT5jBwK-OdRQeE1kYwQw&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3p_c4Z5EnWdIpLS66l-Fm4z6WSHRuAtRt7xx02dDtx6n41oUHjK1mL3wsoA_m6zRbQGyB1hdCElykDvUYYuL4V8u4aa6lnYgj5VXe96LZiQ89QBEJqU5M_co3X2pzidXMXckGwCUTBgGjAIj1IFZtgN8axC0RR8SuLWT2l_dGPPWUc6hKI" target="_blank">I<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">t’s no longer unusual for patients to wait 10 hours to see a doctor.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The country just can't cope with the amount of people we have. We take em all in, but it's the people who pay... Suffer</span></i> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he
NHS is struggling more because there are more elderly and obese people,
not migrants (who are generally young and fit, and migration figures
include many health/care workers)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No
our population has increased 30% over the last 60 years not of which is
mainly not down to British reproducing and paying into the system
accordingly - had there been no migration or lots less then our
infrastructure etc & NHS be so overwhelming</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's not logical</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Of
course it logical - had there been millions less migrants then our
population be smaller - less people equal less road congestion - less
people needing hospitals - less people needing houses - the list is
endless - how is that not logic - the demand for
homes is expensive - scarce or of poor quality because of it - you once
was able to work 40 hours in a normal job to be able to afford a home -
not</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> any longer</span></i></span></span></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">As
I said, migration numbers include many health /care workers. And
migrants are generally healthier than the British population as a whole,
our NHS is struggling because there are more elderly people and more
people with health issues related to obesity. Housing is another issue -
but it's in crisis because of profiteering landlords and because
British people are now far less likely to live in families than in the
past, not because of migrants who live far more efficiently and who
include builders.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnyti.ms%2F3kAIa9G%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2USAwtPhSXYTVXvK_c8cxd6u4iHMVnS-Ma0hVk_Xpht12U4DIxjecUqxg&h=AT10hkPGm7e4qxbxv47UAuk5-oaTOL5J8-febq4lEY_KXdioxAJbj-IjN5lpoTccCzZwsNFGQSsJuVVsKZ8J0rhswPinoNkVsjlzE3OOjLRxAA3_9qdnGwrnQAVxf-uhWl-w&__tn__=-UK*F" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">Mariam Ouédraogo is the first female African journalist to win the world’s top prize for war correspondents. But covering the sexual violence in Burkina Faso has given her PTSD.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NYT, I haven't seen anything from you about the victims of this conflict and abuse themselves (?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
certainly not objecting to this coverage of this brave woman, but it
seems that the world's poorest or most victimised people are largely
ignored by mainstream media.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Every
single country in Africa is siding with Russia and China with this new
NATO/NAZI hegemonic push playing out in the Ukraine proxy war. It's
puzzling that the NYT even mentions Africa after being on the side of
the terrorists in the horn of Africa who were recently defeated.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Putin
is invading Ukraine and killing civilians. He's evil, just as those
from our part of the world who invaded Africa were/are evil. That some
people in Africa are taking his side is disturbing.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjacobin.com%2F2023%2F01%2Fisrael-new-antisemitism-anti-zionism-ihra-definition-antony-lerman%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3wHcS3gmVBEGpSNcW01njJFJZkP2kTaQiabu9Be6raqyCQ3Xio9uinVSI&h=AT0wv8RQXZ1gkwEyvfOddmiw3cH_5fkrt_noRsJQcc3-npqXmHjn7BnwBvOwYfDnqjOUiBCFZG14yXdV77pSYuiEAfZ42b5pOydX04wfBmjwxSNHFfocoFhUhKu1QMqZW4l0&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT11tatpUlSv1-8c1dLnpAtJIyoKSWSesKnVZ8MPUjcJKzdBPlH4lt-MkjH_fu4IfI0VSoxqPXdbyc17S7QXXqir8Axmndvo98VO0qiDiFsAGjubf0yhc92JmfcLA8i6l3zuk47ipn6_ginfM4RsjI5tO-mt_w0YJTR7605Aeq4FnUEUKw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The Israeli state and its allies have campaigned tirelessly to promote the misleading concept of the “new antisemitism.”</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Obviously.
But I also wonder, why is it that on the Left there's so, so much more
concern for Palestine than other parts of our world where people are
suffering immensely? I'm absolutely not saying that we shouldn't be
hugely concerned for the people of Palestine, but why do we not
similarly cry out for sweatshop workers, famine victims and those who
have to walk hours for dirty water?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="UK Government blocks Scottish gender recognition reforms | ITV News" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="261" src="https://external.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/emg1/v/t13/16843902381709385980?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.ctfassets.net%2Fpjshm78m9jt4%2Fembedded269468932%2F5a2853641c6f30a6a3c38e675fb37e98%2FimportedImageembedded269468932&fb_obo=1&utld=ctfassets.net&stp=c0.5000x0.5000f_dst-jpg_flffffff_p500x261_q75&ccb=13-1&oh=06_AbF-8QZDoseH4yJ88u-bXLo1WM6C7mufa8fPb98FDWgC4w&oe=63C78B50&_nc_sid=a349d5" width="500" /> <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Interesting
placards....in particular, calling people Nazis for not agreeing with
their demands based on trans ideology is grossly disrespectful to those
who actually died at the hands of the Nazis. Not having your birth
certificate say what you want <a tabindex="-1"></a>it to is not the same as being put into a gas chamber.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.nme.com/news/tv/the-last-of-us-bella-ramsey-gender-fluid-3381327?fbclid=IwAR0awl26lbUhrW_z5JpKAMPxWGhKDyJ9che_FSSyrXrBYZ_Ede4AK8sU2R0" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">‘The Last Of Us’ star Bella Ramsey reveals she’s gender fluid</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What's wrong with being a woman? Asking as a woman.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Absolutely nothing. Just doesn't match up with how everyone feels.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">B<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">eing a woman is not a feeling.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Being
biologically female is not a feeling but that's not what this is about.
Gender and womanhood are social constructs -- nothing objective or
biology based about dresses, long hair, and the color pink being for
women.</i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Additonally, studies
have shown that the brains of trans people are more similar to the
brains of their declared gender than their assigned gender. So while
outward appearances are saying one thing, internal anatomy points at
something different. You can worry about what's between someone's legs
if you need to, but I think what's between their ears is more relevant.</i></div></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
womanhood is not only a social construct, nor is gender. If they were,
why the need for people like yourself to argue about them? That you
imply womanhood is "dresses, long hair, and the color pink" is frankly
flipping <a tabindex="-1"></a>offensive. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">To
imply that those who believe in biology only care about "what's between
people's legs" is completely disingenuous, our chromosomes are in all
our cells (other than RBCs) and affect our hormones, in turn impacting
other aspects of our physiology and lives. But what's between people's
legs can matter and put us, women, at risk.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You've
not actually linked to any studies - but there's no such thing as a
specifically male or female brain (other than the chromosomes in the
cells of those brains), anyway. I'm on the autistic spectrum, we're
sometimes described as having "male brains", but I am most definitely
not male. Furthermore, brains are, to some extent, maleable and
influenced by our environment and experiences - hence the observation
you refer to.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I should
add, I really, really don't want NB or trans *people* to be bullied or
mistreated, it's imperative that they're shown compassion, I'm just
getting fed up with this *ideology*.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>People
argue about social constructs all the time, and I'm not the one who
associated long hair, dresses, and pink with women -- society did that
long before I was born. Ever heard of Barbie?</i><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Interesting
that you mention autism -- anecdotal evidence and an increasing number
of wider studies are noting a huge overlap between autistic people and
trans/non-binary people. I'm interested to see where that goes. I've
included a few studies, but it's really not hard to find them yoursel [links]<br /></i></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Y</span>ou
absolutely implied that womanhood is "dresses, long hair, and the color
pink". That some other people also put stock in those stereotypes isn't
the point, you still brought them up yourself and equated them with
womanhood. And <a tabindex="-1"></a>though stereotypes have always
existed, it doesn't actually mean that people believe that's how a woman
is defined. Barbie's manufacturers didn't claim that she is the
definition of womanhood.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Plainly,
stereotypes relate to things that have historically been more common
amongst biological women - but that doesn't mean that that's what
womanhood is, and we should challenge stereotypes rather than hark back
to them. If a person wishes to defy stereotypes, they are still a woman.
And so my original question - what's wrong with being a woman? If Bella
Ramsey doesn't want to adhere to stereotypes, it doesn't change the
fact that, with all due respect to her, she is a woman - and she should
feel free to wear what she likes (including, as it happens, floral print
here^ and pink in the other photo of her that's been circulating with
this story) without feeling that it means she isn't a woman. And she is
so much more besides - male and female are just one part of our
individual identities. I note she says "I'm very much just a person" -
she shouldn't have been led to feel that being a person is in conflict
with being a woman</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Interested to see where that goes"? It sounds like you think of us as clinical specimens, or pawns in your argument.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There's
going to be immense neurological variation amongst men and amongst
women, everyone is unique and influenced by many factors. And again, the
brain adjusts - to some extent - to its environment. People who live
adhering to stereotypically female roles and considering themselves
women may indeed show evidence of this by some measures in some brain
scans, but there is in fact no such thing as an intrinsically female or
male brain other than the genetics of the brain cells. The title you've
shared in fact implies that point - "brain sex *shifted* towards gender
identity" - but looking at that study, contrary to your assertion, the
brains of transwomen are *not* closer to those of women than they are to
those of men. The SA study plainly states that trans folk have unique
brains, not the brains of their selected identity (I'm getting
uncomfortable at this point in that I'm concerned I may be being
disrespectful, which I do not want to be)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/CBSNews/posts/pfbid02SUb2mBwLt9wMHHCbGizxaY4pCatyi527ycr1up9cSe9ZteRWRBJDj5DAk6cKecxKl?comment_id=1541260546349235" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">A comment in Prince Harry's book that his family made a fortune from the slave trade</span></a> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
Harry himself is a beneficiary of that injustice. If he cared, he
wouldn't have spent $15milion on a mansion for himself, and be raking in
many millions more for himself personally right now, he'd live like a
normal person and give his excess fortune - which he wouldn't have were
he not Royal - to helping people in the poorest parts of the world or to
fighting modern slavery.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
current Royal family is not to blame for the evils of their ancestors -
but if he thinks that they are, then by that logic he is too. And both
they and he, though not responsible for the evil, have a responsibility
to give wealth they own because of it to help those in need *today*.
Doing so would be far more straightforward for him than for the RF given
the complexities of the monarchy and who owns the properties.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.thenational.scot/politics/23252284.snp-shift-left-boost-independence-campaign/?fbclid=IwAR0bbL5gI3l6_PIF4dxeRBGeyzk9TcythwjSwTLqpa-Sr88frVHkBFxItCg" target="_blank">An SNP shift to the left could boost independence campaign </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Nationalism is not Left wing.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">and
is modern labour left wing or is the party that gives free cradle to
grave … education .. prescriptions…health care …legal representation…</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">S<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">orry,
what's the difference exactly? The NHS exists throughout the UK, indeed
there should also be free prescriptions in the whole of Britain, but
it's easier for the Scottish government to afford such things given that
they get far more money per citizen. Whether it's Left wing for lower
paid workers to fund the university education of those who will earn
more than them, I'm not sure.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">London and even Northern Ireland get more money per head.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Not according to this <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/levelling-where-does-government-spend-money?fbclid=IwAR0qxFhqIEFETEvCKzwp1viLDDhubZVugqETIn6nRnbSF-hlXSSxMGvOSuc" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/.../levelling...</a><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">though it would make sense if it were more in London, since living costs are far higher here.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/thenationalnewspaperscotland/photos/a.1426363187653718/3157173587905994/?__cft__[0]=AZWQmgTYxvYkJCzBJA1DapcYs0fcsNsG8aNDE5JamL9rQ59cFnPF47N59OqHQ-40CI-mtdUUpFv4YmobR_W_C26af7I1TtIMVh9H-j4q4GGqu-Imj3Vi8GgqvBeiP_W2HoPuWn9a-BgtTyquAVMJUwTB&__tn__=EH-R" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Sturgeon has said it would be an 'outrage' if the UK Government blocks Scotland's gender reforms</span></a> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why is it news for her to call something an outrage?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I reckon she's pushing this law for the purposes of being able to complain when Westminster blocks it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Has she considered the opinions of the Scottish people?</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Grace lives in London so has no say in Scottish politics, some are so opinionated on what doesn't concern them.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why
shouldn't people have opinions? Do you never comment on things outside
of Scotland? And in fact this could affect people here in England, and
arguably already does in the way it undermines women.</span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>How
does it undermine women Grace. On your last point GRR was a Cross party
vote to pass it not SNP. The reason people in Scotland vote for SNP and
have done for 15 years now are their policies now ask yourself why that
is</i>.</span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span> <br /></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span>People vote for the least bad party, and only have several options. It is plainly not logical to claim that all of the people who voted for the SNP definitely agree with all of their policies, especially given how Sturgeon stressed that they were the best party to vote for to oppose BoJo. Do you really think that SNP voters aren't *independent* individuals with their own sets of views on different issues? Besides, the SNP still won less than half of the votes at the last election. The only way to assess Scottish views on this issue is to poll them on this issue - and such polling has, apparently, found that the majority of Scots oppose the bill.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/two-thirds-of-voters-oppose-snps-gender-reform-plans-d8wh3wh9w</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span>It undermines women because it implies that our identity is simply a feeling. </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span> </span> <br /></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/radical-conspiracy-theorist-says-most-mental-health-problems-can-be-solved-with-exercise-fresh-air-spending-time-with-family?fbclid=IwAR0D0hdDQt85pzRHm8H0ZW2zGdzcIEUBb0oCeblVvS9McQM77Qf1jjvqw8M" target="_blank">Radical Conspiracy Theorist Says Most Mental Health Problems Can Be Solved With Exercise, Fresh Air, Spending Time With Family</a> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That
depends on what you define as a mental health problem. Our culture now
overuses the phrase. There are some very real mental health problems
that can't be fixed easily or at all, as much as we should indeed
exercise and spend time with family.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid0K4xQH7i87CapXRYQygrk1Du5C5GYKXfAdMoBFmokiWxhGuuPnCHnqwiRFiCn5v7wl?comment_id=531136482343137" target="_blank">Calvin Robinson: "The CofE are overseeing a managed decline" (Slavery Apology Spend)</a><br /></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity
is about Christ - not tradition or buildings. First and foremost, He
makes salva possible and we should share The Gospel with the world - but
He also repeatedly said that loving others is vital. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
exactly have the C of E said they'll spend this money on? The people
who need to apologise, and the people owed an apology, are long
deceased. But there should be, for instance, removals of commemorations
to enslavers. The money should be spent on fighting present day slavery
and the severe poverty in some formerly colonised countries.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <i>I'm sure the CoE greatly profited from the industrial revolution as well. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Maybe they should pay compensation to the workers of this country who suffered so much in the mills and factories.</i> <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL what? The workers of the industrial revolution are no longer alive. And do you have evidence for your presumption anyway?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Neither
are the slaves. You'll find the appaling conditions of the mill and
factory workers are well documented. </i><br /></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've already acknowledged that enslaved people of the slave trade are no longer alive, have you actually read my comment?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
CoE would have made a fortune on the back of the british wotking class
after all their suffering contributed equally to any profit made.</i><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>This money should be spent on fighting poverty here.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Again, why are you certain that the Church made money from the
industrial revolution? As I said already, the people who were enslaved
are no longer alive - the money is still in existence, and much should go
towards helping those in extreme poverty NOW because of the ripple
effects of colonialism (in developing countries) and to fighting present
day slavery.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Besides,
the industrial revolution was not as brutal as the slave trade - people
were ripped from their families and cultures and had their freedom
entirely gone, as well as being branded, raped, literally worked to
death and tortured if they tried to escape. And the need in the UK is
not at all as severe as the poverty that exists in some other parts of
the world. Churches DO already do loads to help the disadvantaged here,
many food banks, soup kitchens and more are run by/through Churches.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
slave trade and colonialism moved vast wealth from what are now
consequently poor countries to countries like ours. Given *current*
suffering, that needs some tackling - and three is horrific modern
slavery that *we* benefit from, that must be ended.</div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Any church flying a rainbow flag has come out of Satan’s closet.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I agree that Churches shouldn't be flying that flag - but do you really think that statements like this are going to help?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbbc.in%2F3W75toX%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1kagAj_lxrwQJVu3ed7hYzqlkFdFIn9hv00uCiQyTsqfvTxWwIR-dmjeA&h=AT1tTddyHcY9ug4RKAQ88zBrjOM0tA9uWkU_eleJqMipwQOMQfl4XkVKVvr4zwwgvAkoDBKPbPJKCAU-Dxs5ApWrKnzxc4aJ1jqfmk4WFtH4BQ6tMk88fKznEBUlfHMKGfCY&__tn__=-UK*F" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">What does Edwin Chiloba’s murder mean for Kenya’s LGBTQ+ community?</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If
don't repent he surely qualifies for hell. To his fellow remaining
sodomites the massage remains the same " you are all hell bound
candidates". Say no to homosexual it's a sin.</span></i></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
it's not the job of other people to punish such sin, let alone through
the barbaric, evil sin of murder. And we have all sinned, albeit in
different ways from this. Personally I believe in Jesus - and when He
was confronted regarding a woman caught in sexual sin, He both stopped
the religious authorities from killing her and told her to go and sin no
more.</span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fopinion%2F2023%2F01%2F11%2Fpeople-should-go-private-not-fewer%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1ghZnrS22598071HWQulec_snS5NWWM5zP3_NlhRXKBPEUWDcj3NF5Mjk%23Echobox%3D1673507997&h=AT0T4_gdbUypcUuGCSFI35GTQL-EMt5TXEMLgue5w_pHCHIPo1bI9SfW5_m4PPV-P9DwNG1SazlXldLaYvVPn3Qzcmac07iJt9OL94ycMtlFH4BpXQGuVB8OWD37jeX20E5P&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3S2loYEbby1EAGDOTPwjsOpV6ADU4_9dV7yjRt49WD3b1dPhFCTBUFiP1gOWwMgg1idPMrt26KHhM-X5jbwp-2Xp5Bv3c-88LuheuF1_IWu4GIGyDvOduzzXb7rO3pejByv8_Jj5GJLIlL56fYOZXE1KmpBwdTfbyNvHArpCUkJi_W_CQR" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">"People
who go private still pay for the state sector through their taxes</span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fopinion%2F2023%2F01%2F11%2Fpeople-should-go-private-not-fewer%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1ghZnrS22598071HWQulec_snS5NWWM5zP3_NlhRXKBPEUWDcj3NF5Mjk%23Echobox%3D1673507997&h=AT0T4_gdbUypcUuGCSFI35GTQL-EMt5TXEMLgue5w_pHCHIPo1bI9SfW5_m4PPV-P9DwNG1SazlXldLaYvVPn3Qzcmac07iJt9OL94ycMtlFH4BpXQGuVB8OWD37jeX20E5P&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3S2loYEbby1EAGDOTPwjsOpV6ADU4_9dV7yjRt49WD3b1dPhFCTBUFiP1gOWwMgg1idPMrt26KHhM-X5jbwp-2Xp5Bv3c-88LuheuF1_IWu4GIGyDvOduzzXb7rO3pejByv8_Jj5GJLIlL56fYOZXE1KmpBwdTfbyNvHArpCUkJi_W_CQR" target="_blank">"</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
there aren't more doctors and nurses in the country. The private sector
just lures more of them out of the NHS, worsening wait times and staff
stress within the NHS (and puts more money in the pockets of
corporations rather than healthcare workers). And private schools fuel
social division.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fnottingham-cottage-had-ikea-lamps-and-felt-like-frat-house-0z9hx7mrv%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1A1Ofp2JaTChMQX33yDfIvr_uX35yNuaAgym5bOyULiihXzHeVSxyoNtE%23Echobox%3D1673512280&h=AT1lGc7TxHkmzO4nqm6ZgY4L_Qi-mmWouPhXH21XMehPfIZctNyjUfPtLEF_x7zC2Z6bmQfIONTBsRXyk1BC4LhPjdGhiPs0WJqb5HZoYe95SxXF6cv8wYRLwqxwJXxc9gX6&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1QQGKi3yCORcvNbt-At-b5s7Z9aujdMEH6T5__3eECcVY4V8LUbuYcT9q924uyBoekaSeAmaa7thvl0pGX3GyaWlZok09iXxS8XLGwaVtP8nVr8l9vXWC2OTHBnwjD2rIgOm-qdo174OzfdCOxS8dBtAt-70Iq1-yxlKLB5U0z-Gw03vE" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Duchess of Sussex compared Nottingham Cottage to a “frat house”</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
can't get my head around the snobbery. She's visited people in severe
poverty in developing countries, why not be immensely grateful for what
she has?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/posts/pfbid0qBZ239Ydga7YnCrvjbKQRix3VdbpLeVZ34Fphyu1vgA6hnfyL3g5YhYPtD8k6LYTl?comment_id=902004494322380" target="_blank">Conservatives - <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Your priorities are our priorities.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">My
priorities are that you restore Overseas Aid, stop spending half of it
in Britain and ensure better oversight of it so that none is wasted.
Also that you ban imports of products involving exploitative labour.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/PeterStefanovicJuniorDoctors/posts/pfbid04drs5ffcA3Gg8grdZRCzuf6z87xEYZfeja6uyDuPVCsx8oEry1qp91ZSZZxwrhmcl?comment_id=686062913180714" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">“There are now more NHS dentists” Rishi Sunak proudly tells MP’s</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He
was asked about dentists and replied about GPs. It's concerning that
our PM thinks dentistry is the same thing as general practice</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid02ey62HgrDgm8rwAstjK52CdxqhiM8wFN8rwRpc2UbGsPFgk2TntkZRSh7AsvLYSUGl?comment_id=749551522735258" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Should Boris Johnson make a comeback?</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">He's
a clown. He hasn't shown evidence of actual leadership skills, and he's
demonstrated that he's seriously lacking honesty, self control and
respect for the people he had power over.<div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">For
instance, "the modern British male is useless. If he is blue collar, he
is likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless...If he
is white collar, he is likely to be little better.” (Quote from BoJo)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/FemiSorry/posts/pfbid0MTS9g6iMHFePQjFKNtUaELpHfRnSV8VqkoMdAr6dVnPV227QnA35hEBcWCp7GJewl?comment_id=1071864274209610&reply_comment_id=1631713110616718&notif_id=1673911632278333&notif_t=feed_comment_reply&ref=notif" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The left-wing argument against immigration.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
more concerned about taking important workers from less wealthy
countries. You talk about seeing things through a "Right wing lens", but
why do we always look through a solely British lens, and seemingly
disregard the impact on people who haven't been lucky enough to be born into a relatively wealthy country?</span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Because we aren't countries, we are people. People before countries.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People
before countries indeed. And *people* in less wealthy countries have
far less access to healthcare than we do, even with the struggles of our
NHS, access is lessened further because *our government* poaches the
healthcare professionals local to them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
am NOT trying to criticise the healthcare professionals concerned of
course, but our government should be funding more training of healthcare
workers both here and (as an increase in overseas Aid) in less wealthy
countries.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This faux concern for poor countries is a very thin disguise indeed for what it really is.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"faux"? You can't imagine someone caring about people in less wealthy countries? It seems that you're projecting.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Froyal-family%2F2023%2F01%2F14%2Fprince-harry-reveals-not-religious-despite-royal-familys-deep%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3i7kZ8aaQZ0HtYPlvXPNb2Gh_WFGb2Y7jYc3eSTQfM9rroM9A-Zh2EEV4%23Echobox%3D1673708488&h=AT1C_UqQ2fDzPrMwriaN76gscMeYL_60tGvzJxm3PHJgvjNiGOf-qfdUQWymujIEmX-bgZf6KSQenZuLBIK-pYqOpa62m-PDOSwH1Hgj_AIUD1bd_ayveqC7S7IbdvQX4isT&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT01MoLVmfxZ7xDabqQVppJu-HmBJxMX1L0DS2yfBSVEGOHpTKUCNd6rtYvRwYgAHswqms3SQer7qqvLlWU_R_BjPnrXI-ANgpMMihz2A0PZMn2aK8EBOx-QJPy-TJPTT0oN0AoSp3SSC2VwzUiPZIOqJSOllhtnpbmWHaNPv6v79M080oLj" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Prince Harry reveals he is ‘not religious’ despite Royal family’s deep Christian ties</span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Froyal-family%2F2023%2F01%2F14%2Fprince-harry-reveals-not-religious-despite-royal-familys-deep%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3i7kZ8aaQZ0HtYPlvXPNb2Gh_WFGb2Y7jYc3eSTQfM9rroM9A-Zh2EEV4%23Echobox%3D1673708488&h=AT1C_UqQ2fDzPrMwriaN76gscMeYL_60tGvzJxm3PHJgvjNiGOf-qfdUQWymujIEmX-bgZf6KSQenZuLBIK-pYqOpa62m-PDOSwH1Hgj_AIUD1bd_ayveqC7S7IbdvQX4isT&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT01MoLVmfxZ7xDabqQVppJu-HmBJxMX1L0DS2yfBSVEGOHpTKUCNd6rtYvRwYgAHswqms3SQer7qqvLlWU_R_BjPnrXI-ANgpMMihz2A0PZMn2aK8EBOx-QJPy-TJPTT0oN0AoSp3SSC2VwzUiPZIOqJSOllhtnpbmWHaNPv6v79M080oLj" target="_blank"> </a><br /></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We each have to decide for ourselves what we believe and whether we want to follow Jesus. It's not heritable.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Also, "religious" is a stupid word.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/interiors/home/period-home-will-survive-house-price-crash-why/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3JYWE4IHIry6ASWAyRUyLsIODmqld3eGJOXk9MUPXRK8W_EbAabMaEJrM#Echobox=1673731533" target="_blank">Telegraph - Your period home will survive the house-price crash – here's why </a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/interiors/home/period-home-will-survive-house-price-crash-why/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3JYWE4IHIry6ASWAyRUyLsIODmqld3eGJOXk9MUPXRK8W_EbAabMaEJrM#Echobox=1673731533" target="_blank"> </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What a great reminder that this "news"paper exists to serve the rich, not the general population</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Flife-style%2Froyal-family%2Fprince-harry-book-spare-sales-interview-king-charles-b2260675.html%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR04D0FqhDjM5p-NjCY_L1tPArkXJciqfu8qt8VijS95zBjfjKO2YZ63P9A%23Echobox%3D1673598716&h=AT3Lq8-3EIitC4CkC6xt_UVPDfmKKQ8wJ9yFsvtVOpd_9jfAvnehtn1inR0SWVTmsvcX2-CxqKmwGQLVhM32M35EPnCN2uEY1xQX_i1_1CUHvTKWBv_2cdwGAjhbwlGyjGqy&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3gcWMfiL-3aKB8RFTd1vics2gTrdXye6Cv0aZO6aEZNMEwC2APeB6fs2U8SjFIS-M_Z39pn9QvkhXyuru2rjH4Teua4DWaDwM0-hjoBzTT-DDGJkY0lHprjThjfNM632lOWW6TwlC9qcamsuP2ZDWa00fF5vPcTpUEJW8RbRGkqz4uH80s" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The Princess of Wales commented that conventional types of therapy may not be beneficial</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">They all need therapy AND racial awareness courses </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hy exactly?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">it
is quite clear that the royal family, household and “the suits” that
run them all, have a problem of unconscious bias, sometimes outright
racism. It is a problem that permeates the British Establishment as a
whole and is a hangover of the Empire that really
should be gone by now. One only need look to the comments about the
colour of Archie’s skin and Lady Hussey’s recent total faux pas. Harry
himself even recognised the problem in himself when he mentioned his
“little Pakki friend”. He recognised the problem and did something about
it. The rest of them may not be doing it intentionally, but that is
why it is called UNCONSCIOUS bias. Harry has done something about it,
maybe it is time the establishment recognised they have a problem and
did something about it too.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span>hy
lump individuals together? Especially when Harry, who made the claim
about the skin colour comment - we don't actually know what was said -
has said that they're not racist? People of colour I listened to RE the
baby skin color comment said, to my surprise, that
it wasn't necessarily racist, that it's normal for people to speculate
about what babies will look like - I'm NOT saying that they're
definitely correct, but I was struck that the issue is more complex than
I first thought. But it makes no sense to blame Kate for things likely
said by someone else. To lump people together like that is similar, as a
thought process, to the irrationally of racism.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't know what happened with Hussey. I'm afraid I struggle to believe
that someone who'd been in her role for so long would have asked
repeatedly as claimed. Ngozi Fulani had already made extreme and
irrational allegations against the Palace, and reading her words on her
organisation's Facebook page, it seems plausible to me that she was
seeking to misled to bring the Palace into disrepute - particularly
since a well known, progressive lawyer of colour commented that he'd
been at the event and when Hussey asked where he was from he replied
with his city (Manchester I think) and she didn't ask further. Note too
that Harry said he and Meghan love Hussey, which surely would be
unlikely as a couple keen to expose racism if she were racist (and they
probably know about her fairly well, especially if it's true that she
was assigned to support Meghan in the Palace). IF the conversation
really went as NF claimed then I agree Hussey was extremely racist and
it was right that she was sacked. Again, none of this is the fault of
Kate.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I don't like the
monarchy/RF, and have complained massively about things William has
said. But I really think people should be judged for their own actions
and words, not lumped together - do you have identical opinions to all
your family and household members?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">IMO
the RF's wealth should be given to the communities in our world
suffering the most severe poverty - plenty of this poverty is ultimately
linked to colonialism, and, I suspect, racism in that the West largely
ignores it. But Harry and Meghan don't seem particularly concerned about
those people either.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/velma-review-gay-and-raunchy-spinoff-reinvents-scooby-doo-for-adults?source=TDB&via=FB_Page&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_campaign=owned_social&utm_source=facebook_owned_obsessed&fbclid=IwAR3sRXgJJE0MxB7yfYB35zglMNkn_rcU-YgVP2tYOWACGnjfq9HXn3-bovs" target="_blank">Gay and Raunchy ‘Velma’ Series Hilariously Reinvents ‘Scooby-Doo’ for Adults</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Raunchy? Why make something that's based on a kids' show "raunchy"?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
show is on HBO Max and is made for adults not children - which is
pretty obvious to anyone with more than two functional brain cells.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm well aware of that, it doesn't answer the question.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Plenty of kids would try any show with characters they like.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbnews.uk%2Fnews%2Fandrew-tate-to-remain-in-custody-after-losing-romanian-detention-bid%2F421825%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2CB6ztSGuBACjO2r48RWYRZ4zsKkq7k_uj5xcpe111IYU0V8zIxM6eUbI&h=AT0Lrx3bQ3D2yXe0RCGeSLE2mPahPbjZ2AJOmJ2rNR7QtVBKuigB3cAxD8D_S-4h25mk_3dPzkC-Ian5H_Zud7nQ2yMnFAVDUjAg8tcOwC2NNkLLzKyxRazh7rOqi9tWD4MT&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0OK3L9J70aTE11fYdXPlWWna9Q5u0u6qehOafGDchbB2JQGlan9HVaPUnhq8Zc6YVJ6wgLS5Uym9oZyRtEsxw-DUI3TenQrjG_-bsSYXXG36_sian0tNiuNDC7b-gZbUNI8Qsv7ubbLlviOlfKmVMol4q2ai8GTw7xaFhN7nUeLkk1Mg" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Andrew Tate will remain under arrest pending human trafficking investigation</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's disturbing that so many people support him</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">it's your right to be disturbed.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ndeed. It's *not* the right of men to behave as Andrew Tate teaches.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">it absolutely is though. No laws are being broken. You're just disturbed by his opinion.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Would you say the same about Islamic extremists who lead others to carry out terrorist attacks? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm disturbed by the fact that Andrew Tate is influencing boys to harm girls.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>What has he done that has offended you ? Did he oppose your narrative, did he challenge your thoughts.The whole concept of having a society is to have opposing views that can be debated. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So what are you defending ? More to the point, what are you trying to oppress?</div></div></span></i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">N</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o,
the concept of society is first and foremost that people can live
together in peace by having respect for each other (even with opposing
opinions). Andrew Tate makes money by teaching people to disrespect
others. He encourages oppression.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And religion and politics don't cause wars.We are not talking about a Utopia that is base in sci fiction.We are talking about the real world.Our world has always had strong opposing opinions. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We have extreme on both sides. The people in the middle have to be able to negotiate for themselves which path they take. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Been that way since the dawn of time.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What right do you have to steer anyone in any direction?</div></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Wars
are also bad and should be avoided as much as possible. That the world
will never be utopia doesn't mean that we should reduce harm. Would you
defend the right of an Islamic extremist to teach people to carry out
terrorist <a tabindex="-1"></a>attacks?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Until
recently, figures with "extreme" views haven't had the potential to
influence millions of impressionable people around the world.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"What
right do you have to steer anyone"? Steering people is what Andrew Tate
has been doing - specifically, he's steering people towards harming
others. I'm just commenting.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fpope-francis-italy-government-vatican-city-giorgia-meloni-a019dc3b5b7c02b27c778bd44f8cb6e5%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0i1RS52rQIDEHjUbM3s7fz9Lld3hgRfW6_e60keAsdqy3hEwu3uOPTlGY&h=AT36-EDJkOVoOhxUTTIvJsvnjfBLUES0hzCGdcP_t2szuAyzqq9vEHwNytKkpVoZdtKnQzZMKerfpGSciP61umCT9-_aTqYacDNat59afySFGd0VCkbPMXDCSwsO8ESpfkC_&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2aQAp-HYgm6nm1R88KroXrMS5qAU3wiLk7Woc2oVPEsdUv7GkGmK5MX_meRmUK0pqkDgkiJvz_Tba58b2AEw-rZm4JxOdg5NWOArsjINo0FgJjSOgTZf2ta9h58jrheFtGVApBAgt6NtVYZ55kUlY8vqqNntFwmwLugdCQ_TNMWAkh6g" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni came to power on a campaign motto of "God, Family, Fatherland"</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">So
far as I've seen, her stance is somewhat contradictory (?) For
instance, the notion of obsessing over "fatherland" is not in line with
the teachings of the God she claims to follow. The Bible calls us to
care for those from elsewhere, and to look forward to the kingdom of God
- which will include people from all nations - to hold religious
fervour for national identity.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbnews.uk%2Fmoney%2Fuks-cheapest-supermarket-brits-can-save-over-30-on-typical-basket-by-switching-shop%2F421702%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR19RuQmS7ycpUUmLxPuDe5zMBQfHnJqUlRbRDDTvpGVWblr3GtSYMyrtxw&h=AT2dZoCPz9XfSR0LMZTRd-9Tl3FPNj2f1Dg3ItUIBQwemSBTYx5_alQEh7qw2KwtWjFhCg9DuM4FNcz6AHKxPp9LuSgwhai48xkxQ_eSJ4VF-wQR1mDYE8lPl_ae3a8bONf1&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3pLL8_zgcgOgc5D4sCfhmiNOiC9UzL3lNhpiUkLGpxQHu-PW0ZlTDiEfke2_-bkUGhZAsmTa-bPimonKD_Xp0q4TOn-WR65IB9Ah64rm_J9noYIZZX0ueK2pO0a0Y8sG90Zt1sHwdLqzZgELW2xXstGdIndfWYNR_7WsC5Q1e53ir-iQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">UK's cheapest supermarket: Brits can save over £30 on typical basket by switching shop</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">IMO
these comparisons are useless, what matters is one's actual shopping
list, not a "typical basket". And not everyone can access all of the
different chains, for instance there are no Aldis or Asdas in walking
distance from here. Also, reduced price items at the end of the day can
really help, from whichever shop one can get to in the evening, but what
these offers include is totally unpredictable.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Froyals%2Fsix-prince-harry-book-claims-28907936%3Futm_source%3Dfacebook.com%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dmirror_main%26fbclid%3DIwAR2Moz05Kl8QWrzEQSzl4aPDnt3XNXojKtUc58u7_NBjny_HDH_gCUROAp4&h=AT1g7r_bCRTee7vFRqaMXJRx54W7m71V1kwkUPpxuO8HOJVg-SizDf34sQqyNkd58eZFAOgrOzUjHRTQD_aGEaP6BvHbH8mC-HWRgDF5aliMMBe6LuLYao9lopJdGAf9q9xq&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1q0Xm3_J6FmJ1Sm3BZ3eolsvSdrBp2MGD2QyMcg2ZPxIuMa_STvam2UfqnjH7CQNFAIyrSJuXz9deyWz_WtRqQy1T3E8rXGdLGXp0qOUgvigssfdcvKGVmyTal_yaV04zCrLH5Xyxf4eoJyXUoEqNxFIbkkPnR4iuw7-6NCHUaRourVIXQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Some of the claims made in Harry's memoir are already being questioned...'</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Amongst
other things, I'm confused by how, apparently, he talks about seeing a
therapist - but in the Oprah interview he and Meghan were angry with the
Palace because Meghan supposedly hadn't had access to help with her
mental health (?)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A
lot of little things not adding up eg. I can’t believe that falling on a
dog bowl fully clothed would result in said bowl shattering &
piercing his skin through his clothes?</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Apparently
(acc his recent CBS interview) he didn't want to tell anyone, including
Meghan, she only found out when she saw the mark - but now he's telling
the world? It seems surprising that one would tell the world more than
one tells one's spouse (?)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It is like the fire incident surrounding the baby in S Africa..lies all the way.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
saw on Twitter that incident, or rather the claims about it from
Meghan, made a lot of people in South Africa extremely angry. I think
that Harry and Meghan, as much as they pretend to be progressive, aren't
necessarily giving <a tabindex="-1"></a>enough thought to how their words impact others.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Agree..it
did upset them locals out there and it was a very hot summer..so there
was alot of questions about the use of a heater.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">P</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ersonally,
I'd originally (years ago) been really excited that there'd finally be a
Royal raising awareness of need within Africa (though obviously the
continent is endlessly varied and there are many there who aren't
impoverished) given that Meghan had been an advocate for <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/WorldVisionInternational/?__cft__[0]=AZValIFpSwa4CRWjHLsoqIANuQmVs3WXrVAxWJ1ljn5H324EBaukhMSufzFMFNNQFBu17diyrwNq8ZvPXE55D8C2LO38dI4UXoJbYv2W8iGlGJWA3CoahtB3mreLcm5iR3Ju9spTTWEosKhZS1tUH5VnCG-5I0dW6_4p2lMzrrW3MA&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>World Vision International</span></span></a>.
I thought that victims of famine and those still needing clean water
would at last get a bit more attention. It seems such a shame that
H&M are instead so much more interested in talking about themselves.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheCanaryUK/posts/pfbid02XqWTcBfhxCupqbwJ5z7UifteWm8r8S1cay7cY9MZDWnqFyTZcHS1rxNzm8e1VnXQl?comment_id=847543196507811" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Canary - Streeting's plans are a "kick in the teeth" for NHS GPs and "deeply depressing"</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">So
you support healthcare being run as individual businesses? The Canary
is so desperate to bash Labour it's now ceasing to be Left wing.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/police-to-visit-1000-homes-in-a-bid-to-crack-down-on-illegal-streaming-373529?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=JOE.co.uk&utm_campaign=feed&fbclid=IwAR1XwDLm7OzlfhSzDiAEFModHZNyqDQaMhn5lPr_KK_ymSHXlFPKxMdhd38" target="_blank">Police to visit 1,000 homes in a bid to crack down on illegal streaming</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I think it's out of order for people to do this - but surely visiting them isn't the best use of limited police time?</span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>behave yourself and get back to concentrating on the horrific death of Jesus.You absolute oxygen thief</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Interesting, why are you angry with me (calling me an oxygen thief)?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">after
reading your original comment I just had to click on your profile. You,
your views and your followers are everything what is wrong with society
today</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div>W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hy?
I personally tend to think that what's wrong with our society is
selfishness, racism and injustice, I'm intrigued that you think these
are less important than whatever you read on my page.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">you love to feel hurt for other people.Also why are people who you know nothing about out of order?</div></div></span></i><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span>Thankyou,
that's very interesting - so you think me feeling concerned about
others is a problem, and is "what's wrong with society"?<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"People I know nothing about"? I was referring to streaming illegally, that's what I said was out of order.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">what has it got to do with you?</span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Not
much, though arguably it means that people who pay will end up being
charged more. But we all comment on things online, we're allowed
opinions. I didn't argue that they should be punished etc.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What does me "stealing oxygen" have to do with you?</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I never said you were out of order stealing it did I you loon</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">S</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o?
I'm not sure why you think that the phrase *out of order* specifically
is such a big deal. You implied that I shouldn't breathe, and you're
entitled to that opinion, I just wondered why, especially since my
breathing has nothing to do with you.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">[Meme - "She's full blown crazy"]</span> </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">For wondering why someone has told me not to breathe?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
has been a very informative conversation, I don't often encounter
people specifically stating that we shouldn't care about other people
(but also that it's wrong to be selfish enough to breathe). Bye.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><img alt="May be an image of text that says "Teach your daughters that sex is for them to enjoy that sex is not something done to them, that they deserve to get pleasure and that virginity is a myth and a social construct."" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="334" src="https://scontent.flhr10-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299666759_5357549881008050_8469863884320040682_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=jUO5-Nxstv8AX-Qr1jB&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-2.fna&oh=00_AfAtr762jKKT29oltMe0M5qqn6vQA1_PBDEGNKOsI_1YzA&oe=63C0D07D" width="344" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No,
virginity is the reality of having not had sex before. Some people view
it positively, some people view it negatively, either way it's not a
"construct" and it's not the business of other people.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dont-say-gay-feud-advances-with-new-proposed-legislation/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=196378689&fbclid=IwAR0eRcGCLbZm5m3OCY4WfNzZ7mzKSSTcu7Snhr9YTbQ7stHg2JiwpNjNG2k" target="_blank">Florida moves to curtail Disney World's powers as "Don't Say Gay" feud advances</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">So
(watching as a Brit trying to get informed) there are people supposedly
on the Left who support a corporation having excessive power and
avoiding tax, and someone on the Right is acting to bring a corporation
under control of the state and make it pay more tax? I don't understand America.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The issue is (as I see it), is that Disney criticized The "Don't say gay" bill, and DeSantis is punishing them for it. A major 1st Amendment violation.It has nothing to do with corporate power, or taxes. I'm sure Disney enjoys both of those, but that's not the issue.</i></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
get that that's his motivation, but it's odd how this has worked out.
IMO the Left should be more concerned about corporate power and greed,
whether tax is paid and used to fund good state services, and whether
workers are fairly paid and treated, than about LGBT characters (though I
mean no disrespect to LGBT folk)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="The issue is (as I see it), is that Disney criticized The "Don't say gay" bill, and DeSantis is punishing them for it. A major 1st Amendment violation. It has nothing to do with corporate power, or taxes. I'm sure Disney enjoys both of those, but that's not the issue." target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Harry’s way is not the Christian way to solve family disputes</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
mean, it's not any way to solve disputes, not only not Christian. He's
frankly lying in saying that he wants his father and brother back, if he
really had that desire he wouldn't be saying all the things he is to
the media (which he claimed to hate). But it's good to be reminded, as
Christians, that we all need to develop humility, patience and self
reflection</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=551588970332961&set=a.361010189390841&__cft__[0]=AZWRcoDr9oc2KZOw1yYkN2hexYqlw-a2bVFiG0vgzkoQJQaRjDEba8IyCYaAAGVtOEu2m2aU3NqlRAmslOnxpGp3iTyqriQfzRCtPScWkpttpU_xWeqZajg_sJC3VOriV2CslhKC7hL1aJJvWw74lUTb&__tn__=EH-R" target="_blank">Why do Harry and Meghan Wind People Up? </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Given
that Meghan's been an advocate for World Vision International, several
years ago I'd really hoped that she and Harry would use their position
in the royal family to raise awareness of some of the most horrific
injustices.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">They could have spoken up <a tabindex="-1"></a>for
people living in the very most severe poverty. They seem instead to
primarily be interested in themselves, asserting victim status *again*
whilst some human beings in our world are literally starving to death.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">guess you only follow the tabloids- they have been busy doing great things.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o,
why do Harry and Meghan fans always presume that? I follow all the
media outlets, and mostly only actually read articles from those of
higher quality than the tabloids. I've also looked repeatedly at the
Archewell website, as well comments made by H&M and their
supporters.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Because the British print media have turned vilification of chosen victims into an art form.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o,
people are sick of Harry and Meghan moaning whilst there are so many
problems in our world. I agree that The Fail is awful, but that doesn't
mean that people can't have their own opinions on H&M's statements.
Whilst bemoaning deference, you seem to think this multimillionaire
couple as unquestionable by the lowly, dim, public. It's patronising and
fallacious. That the Taliban's quote is being printed does not at all
mean that they are being respected, the media reports things that are
notable even when entirely disagreeing with the ideology of those
featured. But more importantly, people are not critical of Harry because
of what the Taliban said, most are angry because of the risk he put
other soldiers in (since it's *not* doubted that the Taliban are evil)
and because the comments have been said by numerous military figures to
be offensive and misleading.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fprince-harry-afghanistan-service-claims-1c497d35a8211dc0366429856a539e2a%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2Js8QFKlF3n6ReBg4QZcjmA1rWWGu4ZuH4c1_EINFohgv8ooIg5P8pLYM&h=AT3JivgmzuizJzM4m4A2HcUzxabRS1VKjzMxE3jHTc76MXm0ah-A1hJTcBcfgEkS9sTKOVPn8Mf0fe0x2uRRqgf1ETeUwM1Fb3RACrc7tjiJrGeZdPivqP5nkJr_Mn5L3UnM&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT11JUI8ANl5VwRWnQcdd8J9dnAN241u_8s3nVq1wDW5IDgSM3mQJWrIPzzSqc8JXVVQOXTPBhR-q_ZN-ubwF3BlDX9roduNZNWlwZQq4BpmSlPbFksjJDX5sui0T6CsRKrFrHjy41kCKLBNs7XMOA7MGZtNbd8y0mfpjUoTp52mFim3Cw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Prince Harry's assertion that he killed 25 people in Afghanistan</span></a><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I've wondered if it's really possible to be certain, as he claims, that they were all Taliban.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Even if they were, so there's no tragedy of civilian deaths in his pronouncement, it's
really odd how he's spent the last few years complaining that his Dad
or the UK taxpayer won't fund security for him, and now he's putting
himself (and others) in the line of fire of jihadists.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Is
he aware that, right now, there are people literally starving to death
because of the Taliban? It seems strange, given that tragic reality,
that one would spend quite so long as he has asserting victim status
from a $15 million mansion.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">know
whats even odder? He spent 30 plus years making UK billion upon
billions of dollars year after year. A billion is 1000 million. Of the
minimum 2 billion each year Uk got they gave him only 3 mil to sustain
himself. Now. Dont you find that odd?</span></i> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Yes I know what a billion is, thankyou. According to what evidence did he make billions for the UK?</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
thought you knew UK? Guess not. The UK themseves put out the stats once
the American media discovered UK did not pay for Megs wedding but
invested in it to gain $1.5 billion profit. This lead to further stats
provided by the UK gov. In which it was stated UK
makes a minimum of $2 Billion a year off the RF. Of that Harry averaged 3
million but had to pay all his expenses including engagements.</span></i> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Oh
my goodness. I live in the UK, and always have done. I can trace the
Royal family fairly closely on my family tree (though I'm generally
opposed to the monarchy). That you write "the UK themselves put out the
stats", as though our country of almost 70 million
people and many distinct media and other institutions is one entity is
hilarious. And Harry didn't make any of the money you refer to. The
money referred to is from, for instance, pubs where people watched the
wedding - the money was generated by the *labour* of staff in pubs and
breweries, not the rich kid who's been pampered most of his life.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
that you think it a problem for him to receive "only" £3 million a year
to live off is completely nuts. Do you think he's a diety?</div></div></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ahh
you mock me to justify your following of fools in the boards. Logically
considering the cost of being royal 3 million for a years expenses
equal out to about 5 to 10k in the underclass. Thats economics. He didnt
shop clearance items at TJ Maxx because it was
fun. I see you went from denial of the UK released statement off wedding
profits to grudfingly admitting yes true but ...my advice is hack out
with UK on how they worded it, how they took credit, not me. As to your
Royal status relationships we dont do Monarchy in America. We made that
clear in the 1700s. Your relationship to them matters only in your
personal character. Not links. I will likely as others never call
Charles King. We dont bow to kings here. Harry though was a little kid
with a very tough life and we watched him grow up. It was Harry and his
personalty that enchanted us. I recall the wedding. What I remember most
is Meghans mother crying. Even then I felt she cried for what she
suspected her nieve daughter was in for and if she could she would have
scooped her up and flown her out of there. She remained silent though
and she watches her child every day go through what most couldnt survive
for 10 minutes. Only a mother would understand how the UK battered
their child.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What "fools in the boards" are you on about?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Logically
considering the cost of being royal 3 million for a years expenses
equal out to about 5 to 10k in the underclass. Thats economics." no it
isn't economics, it makes no sense. Explain your reasoning, it seems
you're just making things up for the sake of your ideology. Particularly
funny is how you've just referred to us normal people as "the
underclass", again you're deifying Harry, and yes you absolutely do "bow
to kings", evidently.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
mentioned that I can trace my family tree to the royal family fairly
closely to make the point - in response to you hilariously asserting
that I "don't know UK" (you don't even know that it's *the* UK?) - that
I'm far more closely linked to this story than you are, so you should
really stop with the weird sneering.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I didn't "grudgingly admit" anything, I pointed out that your claim is illogical, did you not understand what I wrote?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"my
advice is hack out with UK" is too funny. I didn't ask your advice, no
one in Britain is asking Americans to tell us what to think about this
issue (or about much else, as much as I know some Americans think that
your country is the center of the universe), and you still don't
understand what I wrote about it being insane for you to refer to "UK"
as one entity? You can't provide an actual source?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
that you think it's somehow unfair for a person to have "only" £3
million a year to live on is, frankly, gross. There are people in our
world who are starving to death. And you think shopping in TK Maxx (NOT
TJ Maxx as you wrote, for goodness sake) is somehow a hardship? Good
grief. I never shop there, it's too expensive and it's not ethical
enough - and it's likely that Harry was lying about it anyway, given
that they don't have the sales he referred to.</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-british-press-bigotry-60-minutes-2022-01-05/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=196305737&fbclid=IwAR08cb2wf-tEziCTv_ykdEX-WAsTxpQle9nX5TV5nKRBM88HdEuYFjEx9wA" target="_blank">Prince Harry: "I was probably bigoted before the relationship with Meghan"</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Would
a relationship really suddenly end subconscious racial bias? It seems
that he's doing a tonne of finger-pointing (which honestly, RE our media
here in Britain, seems exaggerated) and not as much to self-examine as
I thought we were all supposed to be doing (and there's significant
evidence of racism from him previously)</span> <br /></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2F2023-01-09%2Fwhy-wont-treasury-fund-1000-nurses-payment%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2a8m8IiNyEJ4I11myiFCbQK1AE14JQ9j1vm3zezdAUuwpL26QAu8-2B-4%23Echobox%3D1673290277&h=AT2r9Hi5jPSBFDb3DhWhGTUW28jo6pbiy4H6s3IucheiyEGa8odMwrlIHKV2TzHrXl5m-UQzhcG3-eY7lWQLpqDjKEnoTSN0HjvIw5qi_aeNyO5ui0BodZQ30olRWG2bpIID&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1AOVo6ZhC1t4JgNMaHwo7TXuRoo_3AJKH0d8Pj_-maCdNQGEVSw1pcI7hM4lXOqJOVzjZliJBntYWUlCRv-WBx-lvC_HE_UaLHNjjrg9D9EVwFKHZZ9nk97yKi6MIvZm1w6Xah6zASqhbgWVmP26LrCJCZlclIS-iWjpi5OfkYhXQMefXc" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">A one-off payment of £1,000 each for a million NHS employees</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
certainly not saying that that payment shouldn't happen - but surely
staff will still be just as horrifically stressed and worn out? IMO
there's real need for societal changes that reduce the NHS's burden, and
a fairer distribution of NHS money, not just pay rises.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/06/mel-gibson-filming-passion-of-the-christ-sequel-in-next-few-months-18053435/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR0BS2LH4g4s_3Y-qWV3SRkuT9C8gN-00zlWPHcVCdMo9v_6zrz6GnOsieE" target="_blank">Passion of the Christ sequel </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
not so much a Hollywood film that's needed as for people to read the
case for actually believing that the resurrection happened. I personally
particularly recommend Who Moved The Stone.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
highly doubt it's going to be the "biggest film in world history" that
is a very bold statement.. certainly as it's about someone who 80% of
people don't care about.</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">80%? Of which population, and according to what data?</div></div></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the population that I am part of obviously..and the data came from the church of England.</span></i></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
are part of various populations as is anyone. I imagine you're
referring to the population of Britain (?) but the film isn't being made
specifically for Britain at all. When did the CofE publish that data?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
not part of various populations at all,I'm part of one population of
one country.and I have no clue when they published it,I simply read it
when they did an article,if you want to know then go look,it's easy
enough and you would know quicker than waiting for me to respond</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You
are part of the British population, the Global population, the
population of whichever city or region you live in etc. As I wrote, the
film is not being made for our country. Plenty of the American
population, who are more the target audience than we are, are interested
in Jesus, and a substantial chunk of the Global population are also.
Christianity is growing rapidly in parts of the Global South, for
example. And the first film was apparently a relative success in Muslim
countries too (acc. Wikipedia) . </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not sure what to look up to find the statistic to which you refer. The
CofE's page on research doesn't cover anything along the lines of
national interest in Jesus (or lack thereof). I'm well aware our country
is very secular and most people have never examined for themselves the
reasons to believe in the historical reality of Jesus, but that doesn't
necessarily mean that they all won't watch the film. The first film
topped the UK box office when it came out (acc. The Guardian).</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/life/father-jeff-younger-pleads-with-ex-wife-to-cancel-plans-to-chemically-castrate-son-373153?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=JOE.co.uk&utm_campaign=feed&fbclid=IwAR1hsHhFasefxX5V0aK38055vmS_1_Kt2JwRem6PQX4rio4USOEMN8omHWo" target="_blank">Desperate father pleads with ex-wife to cancel plans to chemically castrate son, 9 </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
thought reporters shouldn’t have bias, because it seems more like woman
leaves controlling husband to put child first, as Drs have recommended.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hy do you think this is "putting the child first"?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
child has been mentally assessed by three therapists, his mother is Dr,
their duty is to help, a father making his child follow his ideology at
their own suffering is abuse, like what happens in most religious
households.</span></i> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"ideology"?
It's ideology to believe that a biologically male child is a girl on
the basis that they like girls or stereotypically girly things, and that
that child should be medically interfered with. It's not "abuse" to not
deny biology. The child should be affirmed that his body is not wrong,
and that he is entitled to break stereotypes and play with the toys he
chooses, without the need to reject his own physiological reality and be
given injections for life.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A
lot of Cis people need hormone therapy their whole life anyway because
of hormone imbalances, and like I said the parent who’s taking the child
to get professional help instead of repressing him is most certainly in
the right as it may be that the child is
comfortable with the body they have but they will now have help to make
that decision and have all the best medical options going forward.</span></i> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"a lot"? According to what data? And either way, why would that make it OK to impose this future on a child?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(NB I'm not sure that "cis" is an OK label, it's being imposed on people who mostly haven't chosen it)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Castration IS repression, <a tabindex="-1"></a>and
the rejection of the individual's body. A child doesn't need "options"
or "help to make decisions" about natural puberty, they should be helped
to feel comfortable with it.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note
that clinicians telling the mother to go down this path stand to profit
significantly from the necessary ongoing injections. Also, almost all
children unhappy with their gender are happy with it later on if they're
not socially transitioned.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
had anorexia in my teens. I never had any adult or doctor affirming my
desire to be thinner or looking for ways to help me achieve it. I ended
up significantly stalling my puberty by starving myself, and it doesn't
simply resolve later on, there are lasting effects.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Ps apologies that I'm being so argumentative.</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Most
reports on individuals attempts to transition without proper medical
care, a quick Google search can help you there or even look up on
official pages dedicated to helping people with gender dysphoria, the
term Cis has been used since the 90s to describe
Cis Gender but the term Cis has always been used in medicine and
science. How many trans people do you actually know? I recommend asking
them like I’ve had discussions with a lot of trans people about these
things and they always say it’s about the support they receive or lack
of has a massive impact on their mental well being, and for example if
someone isn’t wanting to transition but wernt able to get the proper
medical help it would take them a lot longer to be comfortable in their
own body.</span></i> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry,
I don't know what you mean. "Most reports on...", is that supposed to
answer the question about evidence re many "cis" people being on hormone
injections for life? How does it?<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed, cis is a prefix in science to describe various <a tabindex="-1"></a>things. The imposing of it upon people who have not chosen it to remark upon our gender seems unjustified.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not sure what point you're making about affirmation - how many people
have you talked to about discomfort with their bodies in the past that
they moved past?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As I
said, most children who dislike their gender are later fine with it if
they aren't told that they are indeed in the wrong body. Why would you
want to get in the way of this child most likely becoming OK with his
body in time?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftrib.al%2F8KTQkCe%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1DB9830LYDFB60Qi6I1m9d8M5UwMUqMOn5kzrjzMSBDX-BJQMY8DSo5PA&h=AT0STqrNwL_76EdyPfekXXYZb9kMJLhQq1Y8y0Fo0geM_B1wMVYJI0mL4RjQgVh3V-ZIQq4ONLtEj_0Fiu4JbqjlcosyTBWAWoSp-mPdhmVeAxrm9HaZ1r0ajD_oUJ_8iC4F&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT3WFLazt0dFZ7FAF09kF4Cv3d5Pjq156AOlxxg9WU3pvR2L-R_WogAfMD8m0743FNdWM01buewsD-RrXY2R1ya-Fp7J6wro5kn_RfKEfNCX4DxoPUjELgv1mhC8i-C3uXwrC9rXY23sLACANIIKVPcftnl08NIWnN-Bh_dZAy7UIzsZLoejLaSctyc" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">MPs have earned £17.1m on top of their salaries in this parliament</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">They
should all be dedicating all their time to politics/serving
constituents - though hosting a radio phone-in is arguably of value in
learning about the public's concerns. But those MPs employed with
various corporations etc - what are they being paid for? Are they not
consequently biased? They use their position to lobby for the profit of
their institutions, at the public's expense.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> It also matters what one does with their earnings. Some people give a tonne to charity, some buy gold wallpaper.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><img alt="May be an image of text that says "Why are men so self conscious about their height? There are so many more important flaws to be self conscious about. For example, the lack of emotional intelligence. @yethmine_"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="288" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/324729715_483197650656995_7460079016558986401_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=RVzsuSOUAYgAX-8rBR3&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AfB4xHYGY47Q4V5SttduwxUAMIXswok6DaCsWalrm6igsg&oe=63BFAD0A" width="288" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So
you're criticising others (all men?) for a lack of emotional
intelligence, but don't care about the self-consciousness and
self-hatred they could feel because of cultural pressures they're
surrounded by? How very caring and progressive of you, <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">demanding
emotional intelligence whilst showing a complete lack of emotional
intelligence. No empathy or thought for men struggling with societally
imposed body image issues, just mocking people for feeling hurt.</span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Also, it's stuff like this^ that enables misogynists to lure in and then brainwash vulnerable boys. Andrew Tate would thank you <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">(not
that this excuses those who adopt those ideologies of course - but you
should be working against the problem, not enabling it)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">With
posts like this, they are actively creating more people with a
perspective like his. Silencing that dude is only proving him right.
I'll be the first to say, they didn't go after him because of human
trafficking, they went after him because they didn't agree with him. I'm
not stating whether he is guilty or not but it is very telling that
they timed it as such. This page is overly toxic toward males or anyone
who doesnt see the world as they do. They appear to come from a
position of concern but really they are being derogatory, condescending
or otherwise perpetuating the divide in society. and yes this includes
being extremely sexist and racist. right here on this page.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've
not examined Tate's case in enough detail to have a certain view on why
he was arrested. What I know is that I've seen him spouting daft, dangerous rhetoric; seen
people defending him while sharing sexist opinions; and the school
teacher I know is very concerned about the impact he's having. But he
wouldn't have as much power were it not for things like this OP. And
indeed, this page, others like it, and various Tweeters etc, seem to
think they're on the side of good and of social justice, yet they're
continually demonstrating spite.</span></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/10/uk-economy-disaster-degrowth-brexit/671847/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Uj9VXF8nSOp5quIfaJe9UkpdsHnTP_0EubFFBOpqBiSj_woji6xZYngk" target="_blank">How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Western Europe </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">As
a Brit (in London, all my life, with no likelihood of home ownership
etc) I wish we'd stop comparing ourselves to other wealthy countries and
feeling hard done by. Obviously our government absolutely sucks and the
rich should be far more highly taxed etc, but most of us have a more
comfortable life than many people elsewhere in the world and we should
recognise how privileged we are.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fact.refugee-action.org.uk%2Fpage%2F119511%2Fdata%2F1%3Fea.tracking.id%3DFBA~UKA~SUFA-Quiz-R1%26fbclid%3DIwAR3I76jmZkpDQeAGZ1WN8oLiU1TAbqUoWS11aUUG81GmZd6QwSqHvhcYeS0&h=AT2SxBQFuB4od4RvX2IihIm0uaSm0xS3XZxK4lR_FTFrsD_rFGi3IUxslre7gn7TkORHLo3Bq2U5noSPil111v0G72Yyx3O4rVliNAHz_JwdeBE0uWWe4PT3BiEDPxtrI3dC&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2Km-n7KtURJiSwkYDheLbjddzIlk8H2gtuSmH7_v7RspurFQ8bnNwfJOOXghaZpPuUoyzNlxF-zzZunpKi5Ni7bNUbRI5os8N2CThFx1X1UKwq9vOLCV_pexFC3Ydt8UIueoQZPrBFKBhhSlsvsPWGMHnOuw" target="_blank">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">hat questions do they ask people seeking asylum? Find out.</span></a> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>This is actually a bit of a nonsense.This
is based on the ‘Life in the UK’ test, for which a pass is required as
part of the application by existing residents for British citizenship.
Those sitting this test have often had several weeks and months to prepare for the admittedly bizarre collection of facts and figures they will be expected to know. It has very little to do with the initial stages of the asylum-seeking process.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Source?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Would
you like me to refer you to the numerous ‘Life in the UK’ guides and
test prep booklets? They are easily available online, and two currently
nestle on my textbook shelving.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
what is your source RE what asylum seekers are asked? How do you know
that they aren't (also, in addition to questions like these being asked
alongside others to citizenship applicants) asked the questions in the
quiz?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(I'm pretty sure that most of us are aware of the Life In The UK tests)</div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/03/donald-trump-abortion-midterms-republicans?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2n4XcNqvpvOUOVh_cHhe_CmcPwATGmFzEy1IS9ZD8Hi8imx4lFUsl0Fbk#Echobox=1672769013" target="_blank">Trump blaming abortion for midterms flop </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I wish abortion opponents would realise he's not pro-life, he's purely an opportunist, with no actual values</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.gbnews.uk/news/non-binary-priest-says-they-had-a-revelation-after-reading-story-of-adam-and-eve-a-spiritual-experience/417120?fbclid=IwAR0Nk3pYLTGUVYKZcAdTXZZHHJbMhhMk5vwaBQNb0gWg62TNzUGwcwkb8lA" target="_blank">Non-binary priest says they had a 'revelation' after reading story of Adam and Eve - 'A spiritual experience' </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Many
theologians consider the account of Adam and Eve, given certain
linguistic devices and traditions, to be non-literal (unlike most other
Bible texts). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But it's
still the case that God made us male and female (a small minority are
biologically intersex, but this isn't what non-binary means), I can't
see how it makes sense, theologically, to claim that God has led one to
reject the sex/gender God has given. Of course, it's also vital that we
nevertheless have real compassion and empathy for those who do so, and
to strive to act in a Christ-like manner rather than bully.</div></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Those who twist scripture and God’s divine will for their own purposes are deceivers. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>“You
are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's
desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies”John 8 v44,45 That’s a direct quote from the bible</i></div>A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">nd? What "twisting" have I done? What "purposes"?</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
so called priest is manipulating the account for his own purposes.
Choosing to determine some passages as “it’s not meant to be literal” is
a device often used by those who wish to make themselves an exception <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤷♀️" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/te3/1/16/1f937_200d_2640.png" width="16" /></span> It’s a clever deception</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm plainly not endorsing the priest, so there's no need for you to criticise them to me.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
I'm not "choosing to determine some passages as non literal to make
myself an exception" (what do you mean by that?), I simply commented
that many theologians - who study the texts and history in detail -
believe the account of Adam and Eve (specifically, as opposed to most of
the Bible) to be non-literal. I don't know myself. Again, there are
linguistic devices, and aspects of culture/context, that are relevant to
understanding ancient texts. Why ignore them? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do you think that when Jesus says, for example, that He is the door, that He means it literally?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">
<i>This so-called priest knows the bible - no excuses for his twisting the
truth. Should we pity him for this deliberate deception? </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Should God show him mercy for his wicked lies and blasphemy? Only if he repents and asks for God’s forgiveness.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Pity?
I think so, for we have all gone astray, each turned to our own way.
I'm strongly opposed to what they're saying, but I'm also keen to make
clear to those who *don't* yet know The Truth that actual Christianity
is not, as is often presumed, exclusionary of groups of people - rather, it's certain views and behaviours that God prohibits.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><img alt="May be an image of drink" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="482" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/322334709_877906443522946_3223001536954609176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=233p3E1zd8wAX8vhOxh&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AfDRdaWi1SFg3FWWRAW8q92R3sMatekuuzH11f45tdudyg&oe=63BA94AA" width="334" /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">My
parents (Baptist Church members, my Dad's an elder) drink alcohol. I
don't because it's expensive and gross IMO. So far as I'm aware, plenty
or most Church members drink alcohol, it's avoided on Church premises
because of the negative connotations it may have for some visitors /new
attendees. What if a person suffers alcohol addiction? Or has watched a
loved suffer because of it, or lost a loved one to addiction or an
alcohol related accident? What if they're from a culture where they've
been taught that alcohol is evil? We shouldn't risk them not returning
and not hearing the Gospel for the sake of wine.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's like Paul's teaching about not causing another to stumble (Romans 14)</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Same-sex parents are robbing their adopted children of a mother or a father, which is an evil thing</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
agree with God's design for relationships and families - but I don't
see how leaving a child in the care system without parents is better
than them being adopted by a same sex couple</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"> </div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://www.nme.com/news/music/aerial-pink-and-ex-mumford-and-sons-member-winston-marshall-promote-christmas-song-about-hunter-biden-on-right-wing-media-3373033?fbclid=IwAR0P4eWZWFXsZP0fEb98AQrdVvt1j0AtVooau9TGoGMiMzwhOfy0vx41A_w" target="_blank">'Rudolph's Laptop' appears to be about the Hunter Biden controversy</a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.nme.com/news/music/aerial-pink-and-ex-mumford-and-sons-member-winston-marshall-promote-christmas-song-about-hunter-biden-on-right-wing-media-3373033?fbclid=IwAR0P4eWZWFXsZP0fEb98AQrdVvt1j0AtVooau9TGoGMiMzwhOfy0vx41A_w" target="_blank"> </a><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Oh
for frick's sake. I cannot get my head around how freakishly obsessed
so many Right wingers are with Hunter Biden, it's really weird. It seems
pretty good evidence that they're lacking arguments against the actual
president.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid035138aJmkHPgqi5cGm1bNHWgx6citerSH3JGXPAit14WJ1jUpaAZiPSvt9RCFZAWBl?comment_id=1215174126017136" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Jeremy Vine On 5 (I spoke) </span>- Prince Harry’s book</a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
don't get why Kumba was so insistent that I only listen to "the media",
I explained repeatedly that I looked at Harry and Meghan's own website.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TalkTVUK/posts/pfbid0z6yzodFCs7PknucWQUeHx58YCKkCGdcxfa4e5HBVKrF8tRZJR6pHjzPqmnMPW8qxl?comment_id=560552692309910&reply_comment_id=1129119367788712" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Romanian prosecutors detain Andrew Tate for 30 days</span></a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It'd be great if this much effort/publicity went into following up on the Ghislaine Maxwell trial...</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a">H<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ow
have you determined she's had less effort/publicity? Anyhoo, that's
whataboutism. And Maxwell isn't teaching scores of impressionable people
to be sexual exploiters, Tate has been</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>[Deleted]</i><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">S</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he's
rightly behind bars. I hope she stays there and that all her wealth is
given to organisations helping victims of sex trafficking. But Tate has
*also* teaching huge numbers of young men to exploit girls. Why do so
many people seem to want to minimise that?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>[Deleted]</i></span></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There's been a lot of media attention, and there will be more as the trial and investigation continue.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
which part of this are you not getting? Tate has been *teaching* many,
many thousands of other people to also become sex offenders. Why not be pleased if he's locked up?</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="Teachers and school workers across England are becoming increasingly concerned over the influence controversial social media figures such as Andrew Tate are having on young boys" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Teachers
concerned
over the influence figures such as Andrew
Tate are having </span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why
are they getting concerned? How about the influence that cardi B has on
this kids....stop being bias for views and posting nonsense</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">D</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o tell, what influence does she have?</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the
fact that you wrote god and about jesus on your bio but still fails to
follow their order which is john 8:2 " seek in for the truth and the
truth shall set you free" ...you are just using god as a display which
is cruel ...myb you should remove them on your bio since you don't even care about their commandments and defending sexual molesters like cardi b</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL,
why didn't you just answer the question? I'm not defending her. I
don't like her at all. But I've not seen evidence she's anywhere near as
harmful as Andrew Tate. Not believing conspiracy theories doesn't mean I
don't seek truth, it means that I also use reasoning, which is another
Biblical command. It's genuinely hilarious that you think I just use God
for show on the basis I've asked you to explain your concerns about
Cardi B.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/officialbenshapiro/posts/pfbid0UKc9Ynxq1FUjebdcZdbRCDgJhn427QYdTuMpyERUo3csrAknQm7RbSxrh4kxgwjcl?comment_id=1255690924981991&reply_comment_id=707701304092163" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Michael Knowles reacts to viral clips from Andrew Tate</span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/officialbenshapiro/posts/pfbid0UKc9Ynxq1FUjebdcZdbRCDgJhn427QYdTuMpyERUo3csrAknQm7RbSxrh4kxgwjcl?comment_id=1255690924981991&reply_comment_id=707701304092163" target="_blank"> </a><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Andrew
Tate encourages greed and the treatment of women as sex objects. So far
as I've read, he also supports sexual violence. Clearly he has
unintelligent views about the differences between men and women. He
isn't just a jerk himself, he's fuelling these attitudes in young men because he has millions of followers, and as such he's doing serious damage.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Mivchael
Knowles seems to want to like him because he sees Tate as opposed to
"modern liberal culture". But one's enemy's enemy is not necessarily
one's friend -and in fact Tate isn't countercultural at all, he worships
the false idols of power, money and sex like most of the West does.</div></div></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2023%2F01%2F01%2Fraunchy-period-dramas-falsely-sexualising-celibate%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0cpn09B9zuAsMc6wrThbRU87mJ4oLZLDpMiuFHlRgM8woMSnqhsDSupKM%23Echobox%3D1672597607&h=AT3tXGhbz15w0978r0247A2_syvtla04PhYIl00jx7IW_H97gFnU3-bCrezERa-ldj4Ks-HgnURYCe36lWFMZcyXZZqQg9iRveC9Rp43TwDBGZboKUq-qtWC_5tDxamRirOt&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3BnhIPHlS2Tz6cTj1KvwHJVRnw2mKXC8VUAar3ckbnxuG_v_FjQMYJhlL6hrBDEU-4SRz1gyUczWtG1ZzpulaWDlPw0XPTyCLxhm6y9OwPrsO61RufiApy8lIWjoQPLM0-J88aacTmVp4RlNAC35DZi84j5WxYe_hXvzPUoc0NmDhkguXq" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Raunchy period dramas are erasing asexual people by wrongly sexualising celibate historical figures</span></a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Sure,
if a real person was celibate it's gross to now put sexuality on them
to titilate viewers. And I reckon the fact that "sex sells" contributes
to serious problems. It's absurd that much of our society seems to
presume that everyone wants/needs sex, we don't.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="millennials are becoming less conservative as they continue to age" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">M</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">illennials are becoming less conservative as they continue to age</span></a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Less conservative and less educated too</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he data shows that less educated people are more likely to vote Tory.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">kids
don’t care any more and it’s getting worse. They all know who the
Kardashian’s are however very few care or know who won the last Nobel
peace prize</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
wondered if it might have been a mistake, but maybe not(?) In which
case, since you'd been talking about education, you should know that
"Kardashian’s" refers to something belonging to someone with the name
Kardashian. What you meant was "Kardashians", which means multiple Kardashians.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>don’t be so desperate for a fight and I feel real sorry for you.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It was a mistake as you can see in a other comment it’s different.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You really are going to have a horrible year if that’s what you got from my post<span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😂" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/td0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😂" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/td0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Your a prime example of what I was writing about in my first post.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>People
nowadays think they are educated because they know how to write. We all
had that nerd in school who is a complete idiot in the real world</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"desperate for a fight"? So far it's you who's been tossing insults trying to be controversial.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"What
I got from your post"? Like your post has some great wisdom in it? Your
comments are illogical. You seem to simply instinctively presume that
people different from yourself are inferior, and it's amusing to
observe. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Knowing basic
grammar *IS* part of *education* which you referenced. It's a component
of language, which is fundamental for understanding and conveying
information accurately, and it's an indicator of the extent to which one
cares about knowing what's correct and true. If you, at school, were
ignoring teaching and calling kids who tried to learn nerds (and you now
don't understand the education/political leaning correlation I
mentioned) then with the greatest respect I doubt your education is
better than others - so it's really odd that you've called other people
less educated. Other things that one discovers in life are important too
- but it's utterly irrational to criticise young people for not yet
having accumulated as much life knowledge as those who've had more
decades to do so. Young people who try hard at school will be more
likely to understand the issues relevant to actually determining which
political choices are best, as well as learning grammar. Knowing who the
Kardashians are is irrelevant, they're simply extremely well known pop
culture figures - knowing who they are doesn't indicate that a person
has used up time on them. And I suspect that you know about/watch some
things that are merely entertainment too, maybe football.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Fculture%2Fyear-drag-queen-backlash-new-culture-war-2047143%3Fito%3Dsocial_ifb_theipaper%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1mn4HGPQKOOtPeUGoQACPwtGQHuCpIwvrqG9CKIxGPP3W9_KDP0dDHDgU%23Echobox%3D1672502289&h=AT1IZxfHmvOomeBHVSgN8qJ0wFr_6q0baP7vebsx7QKQQCR6mlZgWyB5Ocj2G6So-TJTWpl-V1Fb11Bf9KIZSFDMOmemTAGKf9jPs5grD9S57D31lWvXeZFUMHyB_orP-MQE&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1nmnwN3-Wo75ul6sHaS8IFIy6DGCV9xEl5VTVixYy9hSWv5n2rgijcaIoexYgn-5behTvXh0_4N5Z5cvHNkpOWuhFbETKkOTGN4q5X9HV8znoIb6D-yQto0TuQ8VrQODGuYEL950VTh1Yp-5zca7ogO42-9lwBroMbYBqqrqWsDvRIkw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Drag queen Storytime</span></a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
still wondering why exactly some adult men want to dress up like this,
in a fashion specifically associated with adult entertainment, and hang
out with children.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>We can all agree that children need to engage with books. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Children respond well to performance: humour, bright colours.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Drag artistes are natural performers. There is absolutely nothing "creepy" or nefarious.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Does watching a performance definitely improve literacy? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
again, I'm wondering why exactly some men want to dress up in this
tradition - which IS linked to things entirely inappropriate for kids -
to interact with children. What exactly is the motivation? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Natural
performers" sound like people who want attention - but people spending
time with kids should be acting only in the interests of those children.
</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And if they want to
dress up and be colourful, they could absolutely be a character that
makes more sense to children. Personally, as a child, I never even liked
pantomime dames, this^ would have made me feel scared and put me off
libraries.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Currently, I
feel that drag is frankly offensive, they're making a joke of women and
there are misogynistic jokes infused in the scene.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="IwAR3e5yqrFK1PtSlgvRhzzgkt49Jls63g9Db7IMRr6SNNr4ovwr4ihts1jYA" target="_blank">'Back brilliant Britain and we'll all get stronger in 2023' says defiant Rishi Sunak </a><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Back
Britain"? What exactly does that actually mean? Maybe he should back
Britain by having the country take back ownership of vital
infrastructure from corporations (plenty of which are overseas) <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2022/nov/30/englands-water-the-worlds-piggy-bank?fbclid=IwAR20Jyx5ZgdjhL3C7n7Y3P6x2Bz6CzNJFLjkwaUTYj1Sl-vslctTjpxzEL4" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../englands-water-the-worlds...</a> and stop allowing the super rich to avoid taxes?</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://news.sky.com/story/pace-yourself-new-years-revellers-urged-not-to-get-drunk-for-the-sake-of-it-amid-nhs-pressures-12777379?fbclid=IwAR1gEGcnGHi79NiUc2TSJPPffCLuWaxLIe5nDU9ilHZLStzUxGV26M3EcKw" target="_blank">New Year's revellers urged not to 'get drunk for the sake of it' amid NHS pressures</a><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
should always be the case. The NHS exists to help people with actual
illness and injuries, not to sort out the consequences of hedonism.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No it exists to help anyone needing medical help honey. So glad they are not run by people with your attitude!</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">S</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ays
who? Why the frick should tax payers' and stressed staff clear up other
people's selfishness whilst those afflicted by real illnesses have to
wait longer for treatment?</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i>It’s selfish to expect health care when needed? Lol.I bet no one invites you to parties or celebrations</i></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Yes
it's selfish to expect other people to sort out the consequences of
one's hedonism. There is no need to get drunk to have a good time.
Indeed people deserve healthcare and many aren't getting it, or are
having to wait in pain because the NHS is over stretched.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/posts/pfbid02E23fAaNoMhbwhMrgqMG1pgUA9t8pd1F99mUkn9sy1z4NvfnoA946J2WS2Ehhz4cfl?comment_id=507465478145488" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">A dinner lady describes how it feels to refuse school dinners to children</span></a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've
seen staff binning good food at the CoOp this week, as I've seen
previously. There is plenty of food in this country (unlike some others,
there are people in our world who are literally starving to death and
who are largely ignored) I'm wondering what needs to be done to make
sure it's all getting to people.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><img alt="May be an image of text that says "IRONY IS A PASTOR ASKING FOR YOUR MONEY το SOLVE CHURCH PROBLEMS, AND ADVISING YOU TO PRAY TO SOLVE YOURS."" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="349" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/322967633_1367090637371902_7475866151469522758_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=18MU6gKT_DIAX9iDqfg&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AfAxVUD8Vas0VqvncvsCQrw8QOaiG3PrfQpENVGmTjlZnA&oe=63BA2610" width="351" /><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Not
necessarily. Almost all of the problems I've ever encountered people
praying about in Churches/the Christian community are not money related.
I've also never felt obliged to give to a Church, and have heard
pastors tell people not to give if they can't afford it. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
suspect that, as usual, you're basing your judgment on the most absurd,
unChristlike pastors there are, which I'd have thought you might
realise isn't a good way of assessing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note
that Jesus angrily overturned the tables of those profiteering in the
temple - it wouldn't make sense to reject Him on the basis of the modern
equivalents of people He opposed.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
strongly recommend Compassion to anyone who can spare £28/month (some
might be able to cut out a takeaway, for example? Or team up with
friends?). It's an incredible bargain - we can make a huge difference
for what is, here in the UK, not a huge amount.
I've had countless letters from my sponsor kids - and met adults who
were sponsored through Compassion in their childhood with amazing
accounts of how it transformed their lives, and more (sponsorship of a
single child helps their families also)</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">why u ppl always have brown kids why not America White kids age 13 majority states</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a">That's
a different issue. If kids in the US are forced into marriage (how
often does this happen BTW? I'm not denying it but I've not seen data on
it, partly because I'm not in/from the US) the things that need doing
are to change the state laws and to influence (lock
up?) the men concerned - those things are not Compassion's remit.
Compassion acts to address the world's most severe poverty, which child
marriage can be a consequence of. They can make a real difference in
reducing child marriages by providing education and Aid so that families
know their daughters can have a future without being married off early.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
object to helping brown children anyway? Globally, they're far, far
more likely to face disadvantage, largely because countries in the
Global South have far lower GDPs per capita. The US is comparatively
rich - and it, like my country, has a welfare state system and many
local charities helping Western people. Overseas Aid charities are a
tiny proportion of the charity sector and are desperately needed. They
also can make far more difference per $ than charities working in the
West can. If I donated what I currently spend on sponsoring girls with
Compassion to a charity working in my own country (Britain) it would
have no where near as much impact.<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">go search truth u find out ...no diffrence forced or not its disgusting pedophilia is big in America.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">go search truth u find out ...no diffrence forced or not its disgusting pedophilia is big in America.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't doubt that child sex abuse is a serious issue in the US, it’s an
indescribably awful problem across humanity. But unfortunately there's
nothing I can do about it myself, whereas I CAN help a few children in
less wealthy countries.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I <a tabindex="-1"></a>find
it very odd that some people are so obsessed with pedophilia against
white children, and don't care about other children suffering. I see it
here in the UK too, certain people just go on about pedos constantly, as
though the issue consumes all thoughts - but children themselves seem
not to matter much, because the same people don't care about the
children in our world who are starving to death.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <br /><a href="https://apnews.com/article/abortion-politics-health-indiana-state-government-reproductive-rights-7308b2edc8a8ac62446d821abc5fae59?fbclid=IwAR0xy_tphfFKZT4hRm_pCeEmQITMHgUplVIH2GTaySiakvyeBZtX_mzItlk" target="_blank">State lawsuits defend abortion access with religious freedom </a><br /><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
not necessarily a particularly "religious" issue. The main question is
how many of the crucial human attributes are required for a human to
have for them to be granted human rights. A fetus is very different from
a zygote. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's peculiar how some <a tabindex="-1"></a>deny the obvious realities that the unborn is alive, human, and biologically distinct from their mother.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
are also questions for society to consider RE what is truly best for
the woman in each situation - *some* are in this situation because
they're wrongly put under pressure, and the public debate often misses
this issue..</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">having something growing inside you doesn't mean you should lose your rights to say what happens to your body.</span></i> <br /></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">B<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ut
they aren't just "something", they are a human being, so if bodily
autonomy is important I should not necessarily be allowed to interfere
with their body (which would be an incomparably more severe violation of
a body than a pregnancy). <a tabindex="-1"></a>Also, in almost all
cases, "I" would have already made a choice and exercised autonomy,
whereas the other human being has not had a choice.</span></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the fetus is interfering with someone else's body. Should I have a right to take your kidney so I can live?</span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What?
The unborn is simply attached in a physiological relationship that they
did not choose to enter (whereas the mother almost always has made a
choice) and for which the mother's body is evolved.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You do not have a right to my kidney <a tabindex="-1"></a>because
your need of a kidney is not related to my actions, and because you do
not need *my* kidney. The unborn is not taking a body part away from the
mother - and abortion is not merely denying something to the foetus, it
is to actively kill them (and possibly, ironically, to give their body
parts to someone else)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Having written that, I would certainly donate a kidney.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the
fetus is using the woman's body. The woman doesn't always choose to get
pregnant, or there may be other issues that means she doesn't want to
continue her pregnancy. It should be her choice what happens to her
body.</span></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span></span>e're
going around in circles. Again, it's not just about her body, and her
body is incomparably less impacted by the pregnancy than the unborn is
impacted by abortion.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The data I've been able to find in the past suggests that only around 1 <a tabindex="-1"></a>or 2% of abortions are due to rape - in all other cases she's had a choice, whereas the unborn hasn't.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But again, this conversation is going in circles, I need to do other things now. Bye.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"The
other human being" can't make a choice. It lacks a mind sufficiently
developed to even know what a choice is. In fact, it has no idea that it
even exists. </i><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>What you mean is you want to act as proxy to make the choice for the fetus. Everyone
knows what choice you'll make and that you'll disregard the needs of
the other human being -- the one with a developed mind who's capable of
making that choice on her own.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">By that logic, parents could do awful things to infants because the infant isn't able to make a choice about it.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
you seem to be implying that the unborn could potentially want to be
aborted, it's just people who aren't fans of abortion getting in the
way.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, the woman
has already made a choice, unless she was raped - and not all women who
have abortions are making that choice "on their own", some are pressured
into them</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">
<i>Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their
body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate
blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead. Even if you’d save or
improve 20 lives. It’s why someone can’t touch you,
have sex with you, or use your body in any way without your continuous
consent. A fetus is using someone’s body parts. </i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">gain,
if bodily autonomy is a thing, no one has the right to kill and
dismember the body of the unborn. The foetus is not simply "using" the
mother's body, they are in a unique physiological relationship that they
did not choose (the situation has arisen almost
certainly because the parents made a decision. Abortion does not simply
"withdraw" resources, it actively kills.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2022%2F12%2F26%2Fboxing-day-hunts-appeal-natural-sensibilities%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1DUcNbXU2SUbzENc0rzowkazhi0Ok1dCqizib4jnSW7Bxkg5bNwgpuTd8%23Echobox%3D1672109448&h=AT09eYAY_pxD8_4QQaTyiwCQN0_NrQzA-MMEALz6cDQH-OEHCcRVGQEEUvFNgpvwGbDidDLaWKFdQfJY_RmqKc4549gMLQdIRk6WoTIN60S6790oQSbWtgvda9fCtfsLhj8t&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT22RGqd0357RTBPlHg-LCzK1zEGJiqh5Zt61SLUtInZLZa1qm71juB5Hvu5H91vA5mr4XuoqIGzYEz2trVjPH2ArDWkrBdkMP0LtFhDoKSppMgjVjY_NgUR2AQuc4qO4p75ipSeS780OPl-0DT7kn5A8buF9qniZppJldSDkclQtBnD2mp5" target="_blank">Boxing Day hunts appeal to our most natural sensibilities </a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You mean to say that it's primitive and uncivilised? Quite right it is.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB,
calling something natural is not evidence of goodness. Disease is
natural. Animals - naturally - do horrific things to each other, they
haven't the brain capacity to determine right and wrong. We should be
seeking to be able to rise above many of our base instincts</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=711007983727033&set=a.368942117933623&__cft__[0]=AZUgB6IEzTOok8nrwCAaipcikcLfPxDcDdQeTjCGWI5TpozrByOWf27eyMtNHY-Z3yxQBpeD9VMW5seHvqKkmvZw2nAHzdgQOSH0fjqMv4N2DYOazbqumHYc1cPBVY9Y7nSbSeO1f0RzyJlrb0wSc8pG&__tn__=EH-R" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Scotland’s new gender law would open the door to despicable horrors</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Thankyou
for covering this. Observing from London, I'm feeling very, very angry
(with the Scottish National Party responsible and with the
movement/ideology, certainly not with all trans folk). So far as I've
seen, according to polling and online discussion (and this issue is
constantly being discussed on Twitter, which is mostly used by Left
wingers here in Britain), this bill is not supported by most of the
public. I can't help but wonder if the SNP has other motives in pushing
this, such as trying to pick a fight with the Conservative UK government
to bolster their claim for independence.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2Fcentral%2F2022-12-26%2Fcancer-survivor-challenged-at-public-toilets-after-being-mistaken-for-a-man%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2qLRnjSstrkRWoxnSIbTL_lTXz4bmcd31XAWNKjvJq8U6RgnHpWCQ-yKg%23Echobox%3D1672084546&h=AT0fbatK-Q8Vv_HnmOuy1tUepGcDAbHRGb3lGqY0seGvDLohQtYCf4cDlCFMVbTANwR_ZLaob_xBA1Kip5xsKYKBlqRpF1xS_qRj_PilVvlfuWBHgCKXcBifKpEALj4hpR1V&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT30yEwPt62SnYhdIArJYP4rDSEtstZVlL8kM2ZcTOMjPdtfq0IG2BPFkFu-sxEmXUdkLjgNuKZYH5iuWS74j76Sy8fr_cBNmDo57Hswxr1hgex50qTbA5C7F-pqvkOQQ6d6EZPT20LQJOK55AbUifxn7p0Wfo5xAddRXc0MbO82j4QffhCS" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2Fcentral%2F2022-12-26%2Fcancer-survivor-challenged-at-public-toilets-after-being-mistaken-for-a-man%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2qLRnjSstrkRWoxnSIbTL_lTXz4bmcd31XAWNKjvJq8U6RgnHpWCQ-yKg%23Echobox%3D1672084546&h=AT0fbatK-Q8Vv_HnmOuy1tUepGcDAbHRGb3lGqY0seGvDLohQtYCf4cDlCFMVbTANwR_ZLaob_xBA1Kip5xsKYKBlqRpF1xS_qRj_PilVvlfuWBHgCKXcBifKpEALj4hpR1V&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT30yEwPt62SnYhdIArJYP4rDSEtstZVlL8kM2ZcTOMjPdtfq0IG2BPFkFu-sxEmXUdkLjgNuKZYH5iuWS74j76Sy8fr_cBNmDo57Hswxr1hgex50qTbA5C7F-pqvkOQQ6d6EZPT20LQJOK55AbUifxn7p0Wfo5xAddRXc0MbO82j4QffhCS" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">A
cancer survivor who underwent chemotherapy and a double mastectomy has
revealed she is scared of public toilets - after repeatedly being
mistaken for a man</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
is so sad, I hope she's OK. I'm not excusing whoever challenged this
woman, but I do feel that moves like those of the SNP on this matter
have fuelled anxiety.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2022%2F12%2F26%2Fnhs-spends-82m-woke-warriors-diversity-jobs%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1-usQ0EzGyuYo_SN8AceR9QN6eWShqGbnfMjoZdxr7wvkEOMNeHuKWqcg%23Echobox%3D1672069046&h=AT3sTS6TKKoF5xZn2cqnceRDBSDxbH1MzHLRGHRGcVZ9U-dtgvLD0LurlwHNjcBHpn5XIfVcxyH6YoQCHOCjct5eXJmit-hb2k9pZuhVm3dpjPtFnGEBxNsyZLwcR3D70jgz&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0PAJuVuHj79TpNi386fF1-uQMBl01eoUMZqGDBIGmNTQ-b3VVTD29GQCB-nInJZLzsT9iNapTNWv7so6xBEs3h_4u_cM6bipl52jsNtWVssse16OBCSNVWKMZLOENMJ-ze09f6HMRkv620aaobtfJLq3eoqRFuzrYAItuvM-p7QbXcPUqK" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">NHS trusts are spending more than £8.2 million a year on diversity and inclusion jobs, The Telegraph can reveal</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That's nothing compared to its whole budget. Making more people feel welcomed is part of tackling the recruitment deficit.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">don’t need to pay someone a six figure salary to be more welcoming though….</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Absolutely,
but this isn't about salaries, it's about diversity schemes. No one
should be on a six figure salary, and addressing that is the fundamental
part of sorting out the current strike situation that's oddly not being
talked about.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/opinion/why-tea-rooms-are-the-worst-thing-about-christmas-holidays-2050567?utm_term=Autofeed&ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1kUmvRunrImkUcIMt5SK3ENMNNLIA2BJWjhc0lqpP6xVn-7y6mmmyGxKU#Echobox=1672075694" target="_blank">Why tea rooms are the worst thing about Christmas holidays</a><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What
is going on with The I? There are some people sleeping on the streets
right now and you're upset about tea rooms? There are also people in our
world who are literally starving to death and the amount you'll spend
in a tea room could feed one of them for WEEKS, so stay at home and
donate instead of moaning.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-religion-poverty-vatican-city-c93ef4dd7916d95153f0e8494ba1fa2a?fbclid=IwAR37YSkGyvZbLS4O_pnt15YTc8npplIeDeu_A1E3DcLJ5UV_ImaSREdRRGA" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Pope on Christmas: Jesus was poor, so don’t be power-hungry</span></a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Tragically most people are unaware of the historical case for believing in the reality of Him.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">please
enlighten us. What is the historical case for believing that this man
called Jesus Christ is or was the son of a god, or a god himself in the
flesh?</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
didn't believe it myself until I'd read whole books on the subject,
it's not something that can be summarised here. If anyone's genuinely
interested, I'd particularly recommend the book Who Moved The Stone, and
the writing of academics such as those featured here <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection?fbclid=IwAR2c0aW_N3l-7ts1B_Mmu-UwffAUZuCbTCCywujteSSEU6qxqrWXo_6kQfY" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection</a></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
have taken college courses and have read many books on the subject.
There is no historical evidence of Jesus being supernatural. Zero.
You’re either being disingenuous, dishonest, or deceived. </span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">College
courses are not exhaustive - on any topic - so your adamance, "zero",
seems like an ideological statement. It also seems oddto assert that one
website to which I linked is "the best" that can be done, as though not
spending <a tabindex="-1"></a>ages on this thread means there's nothing else to say.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course I know what primary and secondary sources are, I quit humanities
to focus on science and maths beyond the age of 16 but I did finish
history with a final grade of A*. And there's much more to say, but I
don't have time today for arguing like this on social media. Bye.</div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><img alt="May be an image of text that says "think it's strange that the evangelical culture which invented Purity Balls at which girls would promise their virginity to their Dads until their husbands "took it" are now worried about "sexualizing" children."" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="168" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/321502287_923311902411690_6255999627170498756_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p843x403&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ms6FSwGa_vsAX8FS0Qj&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AfDyTQ0ZvstDJ1G2sng2MK357D4GRPypSrU8RM-B4PF7Ww&oe=63AC9C88" width="267" /></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a">It's
not "evangelical culture", it's a subsection of American culture. It's
really odd how, like some Right wingers, you seem to think that your
country is all that exists.<div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And I'm not sure why you think that pledging *not* to have sex is sexualising</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Promising their virginity to their father???? Really???? That is sick!!!! Sounds very sexual.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">E<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">nlighten
me, what is actually said /written? I'm British and haven't been to the
US, but I'm somewhat engaged in *actual* US evangelical culture, and
have never heard of people "pledging their virginity TO their dads" ,
what is that supposed to mean?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
suppose it means they aren’t going to have sex. Promising their fathers
that. I have heard of groups doing this in the US. A lot of their
behavior can be bazaar. It’s not to them I’m sure. I don’t care what
people do. But Women are controlled in a lot of
these evangelical groups in the US. I was taught about sexuality and sex
was not appropriate for children when I was growing up. I didn’t need
to promise anyone anything. Just something about the practice feels off.
I guess promising to keep your virginity to one man, and then giving it
to another is the problem for me. I guess my question is, when you
become an adult, do you ever get a say in your sexuality, not men?</span></i> <br /></div></div></span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
guess what I'm wondering is exactly what's said and in what number of
Churches. There'll always be some bizarre people within any given group -
that of course doesn't excuse anything, but it means that bizarre
examples aren't necessarily <a tabindex="-1"></a>very representative of the whole group, let alone of the individual who began the movement/network.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Though
I've not been to the US, I do have some awareness of some US Christian
culture. I follow various US figures/organisations/media (Christian and
other) online, largely the US influences the rest of the world - but
growing up I've also had some US Christian culture in my life because it
overlaps. but I've never encountered what the OP references being
discussed or encouraged.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">My
parents met at a very international bible college focussed on
evangelism, and took me as a child to brilliantly diverse Baptist
Churches. "Evangelical" literally means wanting desperately to tell
people Good News, and most of my life I took the word as referring to
Christianity that had a significant interest in telling the modern world
about Jesus (in contrast to the formalities/traditions of other
Churches in my country that are somewhat pale and stale). So it's been
flipping odd in recent years discovering how mainstream America uses the
word "Evangelical". Trump's values don't fit together at all with the
sermons, books and contemporary Christian music I've had around me all
my life - nor does it fit with the attitudes of the UK Evangelical
Alliance, nor the UK's self-described Evangelical Christian media
network, festivals or organisations.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(I
should add, I didn't actually believe in Christianity myself until,
studying biology, I began to feel that it appears that there's a
designer, and I went on to read the work of academics who are Christians
regarding why they believe it's actually true)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">RE
your question - "when you become an adult, do you ever get a say in
your sexuality, not men?" The Christian culture I'm familiar with
certainly encourages people to abstain until marriage (though there's
plenty about forgiveness for those who haven't done so), but nothing
about men being in charge. I've never felt in any way that my sexuality
is to be controlled by another person. More broadly (than sexuality), my
Dad generally isn't any more controlling than non Christian dads (less
so than many, as far as I've seen). I learnt about sex when I was 6 via a
Christian kids' book ("Who Made Me?") with smiley faced gametes, and
emphasis on love and on people being special to God. My Mum is a nurse
and former midwife, and very honest about such topics. But personally,
I've always felt grossed out by the whole concept of sex. It's not
something I'll ever engage in myself. And that's not because of my
upbringing, my sisters don't share my aversion. But I'm very aware that,
whilst our culture suggests (fuelled by capitalism IMO - sex sells)
that sex is fundamental for a fulfilled life, it just isn't.</div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="Vishwa Hindu Parishad has asked the schools to not ask #Hindu students to dress up as #SantaClaus and bring #Christmas trees" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Hindustan Times-</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Vishwa Hindu Parishad has asked the schools to not ask <span></span></span></a><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1qq9wsj xo1l8bm" role="link" tabindex="0">#Hindu</a> students to dress up as <span><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1qq9wsj xo1l8bm" role="link" tabindex="0">#SantaClaus</a></span> and bring <span><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1qq9wsj xo1l8bm" role="link" tabindex="0">#Christmas</a></span> trees<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Here
in the UK, so far as I'm aware most primary (age 4-11) schools have
Diwali activities.. What exactly is the problem with Santa?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the
problem is the people spewing their venom in india are hypocrite, they
want good treatment offshore but not the same for other religions in
india.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Santa
- though historically based on St Nicholas - isn't linked to religion
at all here in the West (there are even Christians who oppose Santa), I
wonder if the politicians objecting to him realise that(?) More broadly,
each person will have their own beliefs, even if politicians or
religious leaders try to force people to be part of their religion.
Children won't grow up to believe in a particular God/gods on the basis
of being kept away from other cultures - especially now that the world
is so much more interconnected.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><a href="https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/church-accused-of-woke-agenda-after-changing-lyrics-to-much-loved-christmas-carol?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1sc_Pp7FpB3Lbu779cUV5lgYS5Bz3Qk-yVVo5sfZ5ehkWKfvDglhJrQgY#Echobox=1671807517" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Church accused of "woke agenda" after changing lyrics to much loved Christmas carol</span></a></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This is evil and Premier should not be publicising this evil.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">t's
wrong, it's not evil - but either way, why shouldn't Premier report on
it? It's not supporting it, it's just reporting news, as other media
does.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">saying
that women have been erased by men is not just a mistake. It's an anti
male agenda and blatantly sexist. To change the words of a Christmas
carol to promote that agenda is evil.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
didn't seem to me that it was referring to men in general, I presumed
that it meant some men. Though either way, I feel that in our society
today it's wrong to claim that (some) women being erased by (some) men
is a siginificant issue (other than some people now
wanting to redefine "woman", which bothers me). BUT this is besides the
point! It's a song about JESUS, to take lines about Him out of it so as
to add politics is an awful thing to do.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And again, Premier is reporting on it, not promoting it.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">is
it wrong though? Words of songs are often changed to emphasise a point.
There's a version of Feed the World out now that talks about the
current British cost of living crisis. It's thought provoking, as is the
added verse in God Rest Ye Merry Gentleman. It's a conversation starter. It's done its job.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Oh
my, I can't tell you how furious I am about the LadBaby issue. I've
been shouting at the screen about it. I'd argue that that is bordering
on evil. Band Aid was written in response to a famine in which people
were absolute skin and bone, with no access to food
or means to help themselves. I've been severely malnourished and
underweight with anorexia, it was torturous in ways that I couldn't
imagine before nor explain - what the victims of famine go through must
be so much worse. I am absolutely not denying that there are people in
the UK in serious need - but it's just not the same situation. As much
as they shouldn't be needed, at least we do have food banks and a
benefits system. And there are people in some parts of Africa facing
famine right now - *literally* starving to death - and LadBaby, who
apparently is rolling in it, supports the Tories and hasn't shown
accounts RE where the money he's raised previously has gone - is
appropriating a song created for little African children who too weak to
hold their heads upright, laughing and chucking tinsel whilst he gets
yet more attention for himself.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
hymn is about JESUS - that this Church decided to take lines about Him
out, and to make something else a focus, is truly awful. I wouldn't say
it's evil because I use that word for actions motivated by hatred or
selfishness, but it's just bad, or worse, to detract from Jesus.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/urc-leader-calls-out-the-church-for-deafening-silence-on-jeremy-clarkson-s-racist-column-on-meghan-markle?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2elAcU2rGf1VYoR08NH2ibijuuzmFGiffejlLwsdDebw05TgoEQE0oce8#Echobox=1671786455" target="_blank">URC leader calls out the Church for ‘deafening silence’ on Jeremy Clarkson’s ‘racist’ column on Meghan Markle</a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What on Earth??? Why would he think that the Church is obliged to spend time on celebrity squabbles? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Obviously
what Clarkson wrote was utterly horrendous (and the public doesn't need
the Church to tell them that), but the Church's duty is to share The <a tabindex="-1"></a>Gospel, and to help and speak up for the *poor* and oppressed, not Meghan. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
actually think it's quite concerning for a Christian leader to buy into
our culture's obsession with individual celebrities like this (we can
absolutely observe and talk about culture/celebrities, but to demand
others make statements about matters like this^ seems obsessive). Our
society deifies various privileged individuals, we as Christians know
that God calls us to pay attention to the disadvantaged rather than the
glamorous.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>t<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">he Church interferes in everything else.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">E<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">verything?
Have they made declarations about, BoJo or Hancock cheating on their
spouses? Or Katie Price's various scandals? Or Stephen Bear being
convicted for revenge porn? Or... I could go on and on. I'm pretty sure
that that the Church actually *doesn't * interfere in most celeb goings
on, nor should they. The media does enough of that, we as Christians
should be trying to turn more of society's finite attention towards
under reported situations of real suffering and need.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you dont read these pages and similar as much as I do.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hich pages? Can you answer my question?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">this
one. Christian Institute, Christian Concern...all interfering with
things are are noone or little of their business. By the way, a 'please'
wouldn't have gone amiss.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">???
This page is not similar to Christian Concern, which I do follow. How
exactly is this page "interfering"? When did this page, Christian
Concern or The Church, comment on celebrity fueds as I asked?</div></div></span><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql xg01cxk"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">For
example Christian Concern often laud Kanye West, Donald Trump, JK
Rowling. Such pages deride other celebrities including Tom Daley and
Elton John. Christian Institute seem to like former Breakfast TV
presenter Dan Walker and report stories on any
scabbles their favourite Celebs get into with celebs they don't like
such as Daniel Radcliffe or Emma Watson. These are only recent examples.</span></i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Recent?
Honestly, I've not seen CC comment on any of those people recently, and
there's nothing recent on their FB page about them. Looking at Twitter,
it appears that they last commented on Trump and Kanye in previous
*years* - and crucially they did so because they were platforming
statements against abortion - which CC and many others believe to be a
tragedy - from influential figures. Their MO is to champion particular
causes, and the comments of those all be they idiotic men relate.
Obviously, they shouldn't have platformed them at all, but it *does*
link to their cause, it *wasn't* recent, and CC is *not* "the Church". </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Personally,
I'm ongoingly very frustrated with CC for not doing more to highlight
The Gospel, and for seeming to be concerned only about certain issues
(though they'd probably argue that there are already many organisations
addressing the other issues about which Christians should be concerned).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I've
not been following the CI recently, but you seem to disapprove of them
liking Dan Walker(?) Why shouldn't they(?) lots of people like him
(that's swhy he got so far on Strictly). If they platform him, it's
because he's a well known figure who's a committed Christian, so again,
he relates to their mission.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
this page - or Premier more generally - is *not* like Christian
Concern. It sometimes platforms CC, and I myself had to type up their
interview with CC's head several years ago (freelance, I don't have a
job with Premier) - but it also covers all manner of other Christian
organisations and differing opinions, and, crucially, topics relating to
actual Christianity (The Bible, The Gospel, Jesus, God - one shouldn't
reject Him on the basis of the foolishness of some within the
"Christian" community). I've also typed up an interview for Premier
with, as it happens, Dan Walker, and others, including some on sexuality
that were part of an article platforming contrasting perspectives. I
reckon it's a pretty good representation of The Church - that is, the
Christian community, which is far more than you'll be aware of if you
think CC is representative. "The Church" might also refer to The C of E,
whose job is certainly not to comment on criticisms in The Scum of
Meghan, as abhorrent as Clarkson's words were.</div></div></div></span></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The Church should get involved, this is absolutely disgusting! Just because of the colour of her SKIN!!!</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">[Others' comments]<br /></span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">only black people understand racism, you will never ever
experience it in your life. You have the privilege of dishing it out
though<span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span>. I am sure you did read what he said.. I am sure that you are better than that!</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> How can a White person know what racism is? You probably have never been racially discriminated in your life! <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span> You can even define racism...sigh!</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Racism
refers to discrimination on the basis of race, it can be experienced by
anyone, why would you think otherwise? Of course people of the darkest
pigmentation have been the most impacted by it, and it's important
there's awareness of and discussion about this - but that doesn't mean
that people of other ethnicities can't experience racism, nor that
racism is the only reason a person may be disliked or disadvantaged. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Would
you argue that the Jewish people murdered in the Holocaust weren't
victims of racism because they weren't Black? That you've stated that
"ONLY Black people understand racism" is monumentally illogical and
offensive to them, and to *other people of colour* who experience
racism, such as people with heritage from parts of Asia, and the victims
of colonialism in the many colonised countries beyond Africa (though I
personally feel passionately that the colonialism faced by Africa - and,
importantly, modern day exploitation of Africa - is linked to racism
and is seriously under-reported. Those within Africa - though I'm aware
there's endless variation in the continent and some there are wealthy -
currently facing poverty or exploitation linked to colonialism or
neocolonialism are victims of racism far more than mutimillionaire
Meghan is).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And white
people can experience racism, though it's rarely been as severe as
racism experienced by POC. I've read racist comments against white
people on social media, and had some directed at me - I'm not claiming
that this as serious as the more extensive and/or serious racism faced
by many POC, but it's still racism.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
Meghan has done much that's contributed to people's frustration (not
that Clarkson's comments are remotely OK, obviously he should be sacked
and sued etc), one simply can't presume that her skin colour is the only
reason for negativity - especially when she's essentially white
passing.</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">When you hire a weak President with dementia the world is going to act up. Thanks for hiring JOEFLATION!</span></i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">There's massive inflation around the world, I reckon it's been the biggest topic of the year here in the UK.</span></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Please don't confuse the conspiracy theorists with facts</span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
been so funny this year seeing so many Americans on the Right going on
about "Bidenflation", whilst our news here is continually about
inflation. We have a Conservative government, most people (including
Right wingers) hate the government <a tabindex="-1"></a>but they aren't being blamed for inflation. It seems that some Americans think that America is the only country in the world.</span></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">what causes inflation? Does spending too much cause inflation? Please educate me….</span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Inflation
means that there's more and money, without a proportional increase in
actual wealth (goods/productivity). A particular cause of this is the
printing of new money - quantitative easing - that governments undertook
due to the <a tabindex="-1"></a>financial crash, which was the result of unregulated capitalism.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed
governments giving people substantial additional money during the
pandemic, so far as I'm aware, has contributed to inflation - but this
isn't Biden's fault particularly. Governments around the world,
including our Conservative government, did this, it was necessary to
keep the economy moving and keep people eating whilst many workplaces
were shut down to reduce Covid spread. Had there not been these
shutdowns, then even more (than have in reality) people would have died
and even more (than have in reality) would have been left with long
Covid, which right now is keeping some people out of work (further
inhibiting the economy and requiring more welfare spending).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Another
massive factor is the war that Putin has launched, which has hugely
impacted the Global markets for fuel and grain, in turn sending up
prices for food and anything that requires transportation. It is vitally
important that Putin is prevented from progressing against Ukraine and
the rest of Europe - if he's allowed to take the Ukrainian territory he
wants he'll keep on going and (as well as European lives) more resources
will be under his power, further impacting Global markets.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><u><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Sunak has criticised the football pundit Gary Neville for comparing the government’s treatment of nurses to the Qatari regime’s approach to migrant workers</span></u></div></div></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Sunak's
wrong, people can speak about politics whether he likes it or not. But
personally I think it's pretty wrong of Neville to take away attention
from the subject of exploited migrant workers. If one cares about
justice for the oppressed, why would one switch the subject away from a
group of fatally oppressed labourers? Indeed nurses should absolutely be
helped, but they aren't being *as* underpaid as the labourers who built
the stadiums nor dying at a comparable rate - and nurses, rightly, are
having a lot of coverage atm whereas exploited workers elsewhere in our
world (who create things that we benefit from) are often overlooked.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
agree with you. However, Neville is also deflecting from the Qatar
labourers and human rights issues where he has chosen money over any
morality. They are all filthy rich and insincere.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
feel like he's just tying to score points with the public - the Qatar
labourers don't matter to him because they're not British and they won't
have the opportunity to watch him in future, but he wants to suck up
to nurses here so that he has more fans.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/news/fundraiser-for-four-princes-who-died-in-freezing-solihull-lake-surpasses-75k-371220?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=JOE.co.uk&utm_campaign=feed&fbclid=IwAR3--SeJjxMA-e9xv1DCD4FIj8VjWFPWvIdCnrHvszu8sGAF6WK-mz7NNYc" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Fundraiser for four 'princes' who died in freezing Solihull lake surpasses £75k</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
so sorry that this may seem heartless, but why the £75k? It won't bring
them back. Would it not make more sense for donors to give to causes
that will save other children?<div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again
apologies if this seems like a disrespectful comment, I don't mean it
to be, I'm just very aware that there are children in our world doomed
to die right now (such as due to famine) but who could be saved with
those funds.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The tragic deaths in Solihull can't be changed now with money.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbylinetimes.com%2F2022%2F12%2F19%2Fanti-lgbtq-hardliners-are-splitting-the-baptist-church%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2jYq4eeG1qD6i27ZQ9tP4Yh0wyzsOWWE_FuuiLalbrOTYsS1wRcMoz5_Y&h=AT1YlfWF0JclIXXjshrxpaYo_K3Vb48UGkv25y0XFMGcn1YuA3TqRi2TmRyKrkmS9P8Fff_86HXvBP7eZv3L7m_oQ4RkMs1ml-PVlf_Zol_PL8dCnusUPPQ-LZ90MyvGvI4V&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0OBFjo4SHxYxPR0AK0SXoSBbcQxTz1bhxOd_C2hAMe0sJ2wls8L-yuhGoSGec_1E_UTrOexhcb28Ix3Fx-loXVQSuufDetvNVgbDTto77POjAXFmZ0svFduWKAXIN89YKaWGnt_MW1YpzrDaU6kJhozaExETCjx6p3HPt1WX_ocon7zWA" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Fundamentalist Christians with links to religious right actors in the US are seeking to prevent change on LGBTIQ+ rights in the Baptist Church</span></a> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Good grief, why do you think you should be writing about the Baptist Church?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>(Deleted)</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
do "look hard", but enlighten me. When did it last cover the current
famine in East Africa? Or modern slavery? Byline seems to think that
multimillionaires in Montecito are in greater need of concern than the
victims of the world's most severe injustices.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It IS mischaracterisation, why do you think it's "far from it" and on what basis?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F12%2F18%2Fyvette-cooper-insists-migration-numbers-would-come-labour%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1TgLLqK4kGrir--bK1ombBe8urnEGU5VYPBUUFJNDt-p0mpRv8Vx6nRhI%23Echobox%3D1671398294&h=AT24kaD-EjveYvgtN_ydF7xwpAkQc4B7DIVVGOzQZnMV4WW1AY-bEZjsWgMtLrmAiMTbbvWAJlzGKgrrhoaaQuvKGyNkSzak1ocLNZQbpmjZRXVzcSwZ7TwgFfXhu0M6u3Ep&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0rG-ZnKO0ktW_pusZvW4pWJgw7sXh0DjXYw3R9RHOipkYg5ROyXc4FP4PyYXr6Q-l6_jax9N001tX8qbDeQK_UVK_ofUonr0LbIqb1y7HyOQhg5xPIZDp6Vz1TQLXCDuRizY6VmRkCa_-0YtVNgMAR9hSWuBvC6zM9p4nBvL5EfZ20Oxky" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Labour would reduce the numbers of migrants arriving in Britain but scrap new Tory laws aimed at curbing the small boat crisis</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Migration
and the small boat crossings are not the same thing, which part of that
are people not able to understand? Most migration is by people who've
been invited to do certain jobs or degrees here - arguably we should
stop nicking so many workers, especially healthcare workers, from less
wealthy countries, but we should support asylum seekers fleeing
horrendous circumstances.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2022%2F12%2F18%2Frise-hypothermia-cases-pensioners-cant-afford-heating%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1m1vWH_qT3ECkDjSs3udzUwoB4zFORoi7HmBzMQERdJc_u3vahVxGBNSE%23Echobox%3D1671377944&h=AT1vnP4psg4HleCpBK9IYrI1P8A4q8fgHxFOst-x2F15d7Kl_5EFug7Gw53ay13ETcTpt7ncAqZQTXgRBeWuGvT3nfOnoF11-vU13K-hYC-ciMfZQChY0BUpYSEki9GNuWWc&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1yzQlbjW3voJhoi8sa7N-SmLsNrmf_EBnrrvkFbWG-0lP0xl5HlC7iehfcqKedwpseC0yAUqzwnbtELOh7m7-k72lJ-jRfRh0InWF62ySticHbius1yQp79e9k1kaETZThTUg4D-sVuqHKayxAWoKVBgfNqHTSe7W-ShUra2BJdwag1C8i" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Pensioners too scared to put the heating on are being hospitalised with hypothermia</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">IMO
we need a serious change in society - the concept of people living
apart is a modern Western thing, and it's not good. There are too few
houses and too many people suffering loneliness - we need more
intergenerational living, so that younger people can support older
people (and learn from their wisdom etc) and everyone can reduce their
living costs</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/17/half-britains-churches-not-open-day-quiet-prayer/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR02-2SYnzbHe706-m9TonNjaPvTMOuSi3P_1n15GXwqms5w77qA8wQNrUY#Echobox=1671310893" target="_blank">More than half of Britain's churches are not open during the day for quiet prayer</a> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
is sad, but note that God is not confined to buildings and we don't
need to be in a specific place to pray. Jesus walked around outs
preaching, and spent time on the wilderness praying.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Faction.labour.org.uk%2Fpage%2F118304%2Fpetition%2F1%3Fea.tracking.id%3Dfb-organic-post%26fbclid%3DIwAR0qC_X_4AV1y0vfeh31woAjIh_Tn4YlTfflcYwuTkFHKnrXaF8xbPTiVuY&h=AT2DUJV6Gvtw7X-ThH6pRO-ACURj1UfwunyS4BFFLvs0NNUQG9Wnt__1Xzgf33kX_EcP0TAAPcLsxJnnJzkYZdmV_W1mV7kI1XEV8BUkpecFOKryNl_N-pFzcDFPDJ-E3Cpg&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2zJiLFdkhLl2ExMDCac8c-TJSjwGACzvsB8iiIv63B_q6SWTq8ylvJAcPEoNsit9kU027fQSY3aK858wJMQ3ccmhQaP4iIjk4ywLi25GcywJldOqN2IuQznamdCM4tu-d2OvvSP6CdXbJCqIOEXudSFyfcKktmjlptcFdjpZ8YHzl1fQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Labour will train a new generation of doctors and nurses, paid for by scrapping non-dom tax status</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
keep going on about non-doms. Obviously the non-dom option absolutely
should be scrapped, but that's not enough to sort out the country. You
need to also talk about other ideas, like restricting profiteering
landlords and capping high salaries.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/unitedhumanists/posts/pfbid02PEd1Hw1awDyWRB6VVqAx4pA8QFVZBqmfjd1uR1RYEsHKqqJfAwohFUSpm8qkutHWl?comment_id=922309979153357&notif_id=1671562688425880&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif" target="_blank">Fact; Your kid is statistically safer around a drag queen than a member of the clergy</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Data source?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the
insanely long list of clergy abusing children worldwide and the big
goose eggs number of kids abused by drag performers. Pretty simple.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">N</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o, that's not data, nor sourced.</span></div></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">burying your head is a bad look.....too bad you don't believe the kids.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat? I never said that I don't believe any kids. Do you really not understand what I wrote?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">it’s well known reality. Tough for you it seems.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">t's
not "tough" for me, it seems that you don't know what "data" and
"source" mean. I'm well aware that there have been some abusers who've
managed to get jobs as clergy, but that doesn't prove the OP.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>many kids have reported the abuse, if you need sources to listen, that's on you. </i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And yes you obviously don't care or listen to the kids. That's too bad, says more about you.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat's
not data. Seriously, which part of this are you not understanding?
Accounts, testimonies and anecdotes are absolutely important and I never
denied them, but the OP makes a claim about STATISTICS. Why don't you
get that? It would be like me saying that being a Christian is
statistically more likely to make you happy, with no data, and then
saying "why don't you believe these Christians who've explained how
happy they are?" It's not just a matter of believing people, it's a
matter of counting how many of those people are, converting that into a
rate/proportion, and comparing those numbers (in this instance, against
the % of children who've spent time alone with drag performers and been
abused)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I as a individual with a science degree, completely understand your question. </i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The sad thing is we don't need sources, when you got actual testimony. And If you need sources that's on you. I don't. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The church and its clergy have harned more children than any other entity. That's a fact. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And no I'm not going to do the work for you, if you want the sources or cites, don't be lazy and ask others to do it for you.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
referring to sources attesting to the statistics referred to by the OP,
that count the testimonies (I've never said that testimonies are
invalid) and compare the numbers as I explained. The post doesn't say
that some people have <a tabindex="-1"></a>testimonies of abuse by
clergy, it says that children are STATISTICALLY at greater risk from
clergy than drag performers. I'd have thought that a page that purports
to support reason and rationality might realise that it's a stupid meme.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again,
I could just tell you that I know people who have testimonies of
Christianity making them happy, or of experiencing God. I do. But I need
data, the source of which I should specify, about trends in people who
do and don't accept God to be able to make a claim about STATISTICS.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.nme.com/news/tv/james-corden-says-leaving-the-late-late-show-is-terrifying-3368293?fbclid=IwAR0Gf2XERNjPk2DGsSElMoRsFjuSa-2Befiylt2krs2zke46npaBUFyYPzM" target="_blank">James Corden says leaving ‘The Late Late Show’ is “terrifying” </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He's got many, many £millions. Terrifying is what those people in our world struggling to access food are going through.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/photos/a.315767831635/10160657193711636/?comment_id=622896652967968&reply_comment_id=1044179310314335" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">As the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s Netflix series concludes</span></a><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
not condoning how parts of the media treated her, but it is sad that
she's thrown away her advocacy opportunity, and instead has fled to a
£multimillion mansion and spent insane amounts on clothes and
furnishings.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">She had been a <a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv xzsf02u x1s688f" href="https://www.facebook.com/WorldVisionInternational/?__tn__=R*F" role="link" tabindex="0"><span class="xt0psk2"><span>World Vision International</span></span></a>
advocate, I was really excited that there'd finally be someone in the
Royal family (which I'm not a fan of) raising awarenaess of the world's
very poorest people - I don't understand she can now spend quite so much
time asserting victimhood, what happened to recognising one's own
privilege?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>She'll continue her advocacy and will be able to say more now free from the shackles of the monarchy.</i></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And I suppose the other royals live in squalor do they?</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Will
she? For several years now she's had free reign to say what she likes,
on social media and elsewhere, but I've not seen evidence of particular
effort to raise awareness. She's used her magazine interview /podcast
/Netflix show to try to attain sympathy for *herself*, whilst (with
Harry of course) being monumentally privileged and spending far more on
luxury than necessary (I do, obviously, also object to other super rich
people spending stupid amounts on themselves). <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course I hate that the RF have palaces, but that's whataboutism. And
arguably inheriting a national property is not exactly the same as
choosing to buy a mansion for oneself (though I do believe that the RF
should sell most of their property and donate the funds to the poorest
communities within Commonwealth countries). Harry and Meghan could have
lived in an awesome house that they'd already been given.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
Archewell website seems mostly just to list charities they like, almost
as though they're piggybacking off the actual work of others. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Though
I'm not a fan of his, I think it's good that William has been actively
platforming people around the world who are developing ways to fight
environmental problems. Meanwhile, Harry and Meghan were actively
drawing attention away from that by launching a series talking about
themselves *again* (though they'd already done the Oprah interview etc)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>maybe she's taking a bit of time out.</i><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Piggybacking
of the actual work of others applies to all the royals or none of them.
Most "royal work" is actually just attending events. They don't do the
graft.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>There
wouldn't have been a documentary if it hadn't been for the media and
the other royals and the documentary release had already been delayed. Seems like you're distorting your analysis to fit your conclusions.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">gain,
I'm not a fan of the RF either. But the other Royals making visits are
at least giving up some of their time (and enabling the charities to
boast of having a royal patron, which wouldn't interest me but which is
evidently something these organisations want).
Whereas Harry and Meghan have *made a huge deal* about supposedly
"serving" and increasing compassion, but it's not clear what effort
they've actually put in. I don't understand why, since they're now free
from the institution, they don't even use social media to raise
awareness of issues, or use the podcast or Netflix show to do so. It's
all about them. It seems insulting to those people in our world in
extreme need.</span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Having
a royal patron does very little to raise a charity's profile or
revenue. It's more about royals trying make themselves relevant. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Lets be honest, the rightwing press have done a proper hatchet job on them so if they were working all hours under the sun we'd only be talking about the curtsey still.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Continuing
monarchy is insulting when there are people in extreme need. Not sure
Harry & Meghan deserve special condemnation on that point that can't
be levelled at the rest of them.</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
Netflix docuseries has only just dropped so maybe lets see what happens
over the next year or so before we call them sell outs. Don't forget
the massive waste of money that is the Coronation is coming in May.
Doubt the gutter press will be concerned with the needy then.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>D</i>o you have data on that? (Charities) </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sure
the press might give a negative account of what they do, but there are
also plenty of outlets - and their own media output - that would boast
of positive things.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, bringing up the monarchy is <a tabindex="-1"></a>essentially
whataboutism, I'm not a monarchist. But the Royals aren't claiming
victim status (repeatedly), they're simply carrying on a tradition that
polls suggest most people want.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">they
can spend their money on what they want, nothing to do with you, they
need to defend themselves constantly to the uk press, which constantly
harass them and have painted her In a disgusting light, all these haters
constantly take it in like a sponge, commenting on
each story, making the hateful media money, making them harass the
family even more, not 1 of the haters actually know anything, just
regurgitate the rubbish the hateful media puts out there, like I said
they made their money and can spend it on anything, you don't need to
approve or disapprove</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
wonder what exactly you mean by "haters", or why you think that not a
single one knows anything. Or why Meghan and Harry can make a show all
about themselves, from which they're raking in obscene profits (whilst
Netflix snatches jobs <a tabindex="-1"></a>away from workers) but that other people or media should shut up. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
wonder why you think it's fine for Harry and Meghan to spend *so much*
on themselves when there are people dying of starvation in our world.
But I have better things to do than continue this thread.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> </i></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">so she can put her side of the story, instead of the right wing press, good for her.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hy
"good for her"? It's not helping anyone else, it's all about trying to
attention for themselves, yet again. They already put across their side
with Oprah, then the podcast, and the magazine interview this year...
They could be using their platform to raise
awareness of disadvantaged people, instead they're multi millionaires
trying to play victim whilst people around the world are really
suffering.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>o<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">f
course they could, all rich people could help the poor but they don't.
Personally I'm not in their position thank god. So I've no idea how it
feels to be bullied by the press and family. But I certainly wouldn't
sit back and let them get away with it.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Sure,
and I'm bothered by all rich people who don't give. But that's
whataboutism - and most other rich people aren't doing as much to try to
get attention for themselves as Harry and Meghan, let alone whilst
pretending to be justice warriors.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/AfricaFactsZone/posts/pfbid03UnnNmEMuydGu3KDddAzUsPMqewt4qWiaQrENUPtJRpEvPWMbDbsD2QqNysYbgdBl?comment_id=536262611717103" target="_blank">Africa accounts for only 4% of global carbon emissions.</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
desperately wish that the leaders of countries like mine would pay
compensation to the communities in Africa affected by climate change</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/AfricaFactsZone/posts/pfbid03UnnNmEMuydGu3KDddAzUsPMqewt4qWiaQrENUPtJRpEvPWMbDbsD2QqNysYbgdBl?comment_id=536262611717103" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">‘Prove Sir David Attenborough wrong’ is not a life-goal that will win you many friends, but it was exactly what Alex Bescoby tired to do </span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">David Attenborough criticised giving food to starving people, you don't have to do anything to prove that he's wrong</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>yes, he said that sending bags of flour is “barmy” Has it worked? No. So what’s incorrect in what he said?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">On what basis are you presuming it "hasn't worked"? Do you have evidence that no lives at all were saved?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>has world hunger been defeated?</i><i> THAT is the point.</i><i>You’ve no evidence he is wrong</i><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You
ask if I’ve evidence that no lives were saved. That is not the point he
was making. Food aid doesn’t work in ending world hunger, nor will it.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So?
That world hunger hasn't been ended doesn't mean that it hasn't been
reduced or that some people who would otherwise have died have been
saved by Aid. International Aid organisations today also work to help
people support themselves and to provide family
planning, but when people are starving they need food. It's disgusting
that anyone would suggest that they should be left to die in agony of
starvation.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Has cancer been defeated BTW? Since it hasn't been, by your logic it's "barmy" to try to treat anyone with cancer.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fg-20-summit-africa-kamala-harris-african-union-government-and-politics-479edd025f27e9d39b4224d729da9d4b%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR17i1_Q5tslyBsODxttq2sYZ4sNmL1sqTwNSvmZnSOTm4zBOMST2Ged9pk&h=AT1zXxtG5ainn76urHEIP5gqQk6gmjyCRbh3wOClQ8kYfTNiFh7zuI6JiSjF-KyJQkPYrfekz1heuhAQexri3lADu6ZITEuHeMFC8jcG7s1YH5-vHpOXAu9QF8kSRAAnj5Id&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1OPSuZvoQTCfjEVbNINiGCrRwp4L24vvPGEBJBXTkZ6V7WvmH_K8i9U0YaPVENnwdrPf_MESKA2fJZ9anOHNYLJpANROL-s_FZ0uRxdUPvn85ryfbP9r_ku_DnzT4Gh0b0EyLs7IHTQ6HIoTRcGrvOcLTDGpRXgLzEL80eEoRUgWJY5A" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Vice President Kamala Harris on Tuesday opened the U.S.-Africa Leaders Summit</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Will
the US stop letting some of its institutions from exploiting parts of
Africa? And increase their pitifully low levels of humanitarian and
development Aid?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/FirstEditionTalkTV/posts/pfbid0Y9x77C6A48zVN3tcLcfHunoDoXiBuxgw7XJKCm77zy5XiECA65FHeQeBiGjHBPbgl?comment_id=846604890001843" target="_blank">P<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">roposing the government ignores the ECHR on immigration</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Britain
helped establish the ECHR after the 2nd World War, international
collaboration is intended to safeguard against future horrors</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fjoe-biden-signs-law-to-protect-same-sex-marriages-striking-a-blow-against-hate-12767682%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1KljzoZIhYYUH7YYU4NG76nBYrjogEq0JgvKNVgdbHwPP4SRGPYQTKPxA&h=AT3guYyikjS7gET47qdmSl3oKIkYXd_vAnLMEWpCdNJN9DLseeN7DZtHh9yPGhuc7gACjlPjXx-us1PGdhzPHznpNFIPI7ZDdGHiK6kTCO2F-gbGa59y4x2M_uUADodnr23R&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0DAYuQCobJXUJVrhaUvlMmQMBECXdyY9FLo7EaIGisPRCE2jOMqwkKerpvvzw9UgSHubtyEJNvglLjqTDhIzcNxOj_ZJwl2LT3OS1u3UU3r2a8wURVL__OoiBuvHHwExOdb73qmsAK3pqXT_ZoWt3TuONGIJ6Bus_pejsBltShjMv7wQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Joe Biden signs law to protect same-sex marriages striking a 'blow against hate'</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">How
are you defining *religion*? Most theists believe that the creator has
given guidance restricting sex, but that doesn't mean hating those who
don't adhere to that guidance. In particular, Jesus tells us to love
others, and saved a woman from being punished for breaking laws RE sex.
If people are genuinely following Him, they won't hate - especially
since we know that we too have failed to adhere to God's guidance in
other ways (and *all* are offered salvation through Jesus). Of course,
there are plenty of people who erroneously *claim* to belong to a
religion and who also happen to be hateful.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I’m
defining religion as no accepting everyone. I don’t agree with the
teachings of the church. Might have worked in 1500s but not now</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span>That doesn't "define religion", all manner of organisations and situations have exclusions.<br />Christianity - the actual theology/following of Christ (as opposed to institutions which are sometimes flawed) - *does* accept everyone. Not endorsing sex outside of God's guidance does not mean not accepting *people.* And crucially, contrary o what our culture presumes, it's not at all necessary to have sex to enjoy life (which I can attest from personal experience). There is far greater joy offered.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fqueen-camilla-nice-pieces-charity-shops-uk-kt3s92wpr%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0sxScxEqh_TlitRtX2TfnfJA4dL7yXnH2JJDRLPeGKez9Tph3zwqdJQi8%23Echobox%3D1670965161-1&h=AT3jaQD8KRy0S22kDNJptXiCP5A5-0Opt9xm4OXQNQGGH8KUxmTZr1s8r91CaSmiducyuLqNbh1MrStB0SE0KvppasphlKsV8sw7sWnr7zUtPjv-r9wPZ_pJ9dwQEDvW1GRI&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT33aKVe9tPw2EHglS4FuxQaha33i3tWmRouNelqir6BPe10TxOAE8rR_mWRRDriPQ5zc5NJ11ujzhXkRJjDOyTsdnb0ZrzcJco0_tZQGjhqx0H5qhE1tK6J__zby7_wv_haEZ5j69_YfJ2APFGurERmER64M9e8toZnKLAEevU2vvYOh7o" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Camilla has said that she is a thrifty shopper who has picked up “some nice pieces” from charity shops</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Absolutely.
But it's not primarily about being thrifty, it's also important for the
planet that we buy 2nd hand (though some of the items are unused) and
it's exciting that the money we spend can help others. Many charities
now sell things on ebay or through their own websites (such as Oxfam),
so we can browse plenty of items and find things we like.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=697372551757243&set=a.368942117933623&__cft__[0]=AZUjoxQg7SlMTCal3edIjsJ5deyaMWFjCLMgqOzEpSo1yMnnrvMUbERwQRPaNjMVGuD8Higo2uYf6atg14uB1SA2B8_2gICFKpN_VvOsYhtWOzpLLz_MvMgAJ_2w5mTkVlyhkMI-pHlGHgEiVoCZhGpi&__tn__=EH-R" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">American Girl takes wokeness to a new level with ‘gender transition’ book for 3-12 year-olds</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's not woke - woke means aware of injustice, and this movement isn't, it's exploitative, and based in gender stereotyping.</span> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>There’s another meaning of Woke</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Willfully </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Overlooking </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Known </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Evil </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I prefer this definition.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">W</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">e
can't win arguments by pretending words have different meanings. Let's
instead clearly communicate our concerns, there's more common ground and
agreement (for instance, myself and plenty of others who are Left
voting are opposed to the <a tabindex="-1"></a>ideology this book demonstrates) than one might realise.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">no one is “pretending” that words have different meanings. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
is what “Woke” is. They are embracing everything that’s evil in the
name of “Justice”. All the while ignoring the injustice that’s
happening due to their actions. </div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">They believe that their cause is “righteous” but it’s merely self-righteous.</div></div></span></i><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You
are. Woke has been used since the first half of the last century by the
African American community to refer to awareness of injustice. If you
want now to criticise the gender movement, why not do so using rational
arguments rather than declaring yourself to be opposed to awareness?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
who are "they"? You seem to be erroneously lumping countless people
together, which doesn't make you sense, instead of addressing the actual
issue</div></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span><img alt="May be an image of 2 people and text that says "Ben Rattigan @benrattigan@to... @BenRattigan77 If the picture on the left is triggering you but you've said nothing about the one on the right, it's time to put down the Daily Mail, The Sun, stop listening to Nick Ferrari and Piers Morgan. Docs We try not to eat lot in one day"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="637" src="https://scontent.flhr10-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/319333421_588031703323590_7481940310778654831_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=MLJ1KsM9TsEAX-EgmDO&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-2.fna&oh=00_AfA3RK_dCGRg_U2Hk0gNfMnCsv66oHc4zzYp1SwZpcnK9g&oe=63A6A6DF" width="526" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
it's *because* of the picture on the right that the picture on the left
is offensive. I'm finding it so odd seeing so many people supposedly on
the Left show such enthusiasm for a couple who spend so much on
themselves</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">
<i>I mean, they left an establishment that would have paid them to do next
to fuck all for the rest of their lives… but yeah, so selfish </i></span></div>T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hey
just have been paid a tonne to do f all by Netflix and Spotify. And how
can living in the homes your family (albeit unfairly) already own be as
selfish as buying yourself a $15 million mansion?</span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>(Deleted)</i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span>Which
argument? I take issue with all those who buy themselves *such* lavish
homes (and clothes etc), such unjust wealth distribution contributes to
poverty. But I'm pretty sure that Meghan had nowhere near as much
wealth, nor pay offers from Netflix, before marrying a member of the
monarchy.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Financially
successful"? Yikes, is that what we're calling the super-privileged/rich
now? What has happened to the Left? Is the boy in the photo, or his
family to be described as "financially unsuccessful"?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/10/work-shy-britain-will-recover-learns-elon-musk/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2b6JjNsTwA42-X6DV6-0_QSpxrLqG83PG-qeaav60bSn-NaTHuKEWQLpQ#Echobox=1670683658" target="_blank">Work-shy Britain will only recover if it learns from Elon Musk </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If he can be CEO of multiple companies at once, CEO is clearly not necessarily a hard working position</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you just don't get it.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat don't I get? Deifying Elon?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Nobody
is “deifying” him. It’s just utterly ludicrous to think that a C.E.O.
just snaps his fingers, and everyone and everything run like clockwork.
</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">P<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">lenty
of people deify him. And no, of course things don't just run like
clockwork when the CEO snaps their fingers, workers work hard.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnyti.ms%2F3FGg4SA%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2dC9J8YjgJeVikpnN-H43fy-bIHPNK7s7iAWTjT3FVL1rQZr7FZdwoP7g&h=AT1lscIhOvf5JQU0jQOSNVaXF-nq7NqAPYctIhnaSVzsQaeYXfnCnfMGy4VosasPVKOWjEnHBQA1t5csBdkyaKL-X3CTSymSJ3hrTh62fMBdj9TDslF-3H-gqj6KpJTwfCRf&__tn__=-UK*F" target="_blank">His (Qatar) Estate Has 3 Swimming Pools and a Stable. He Says He's Not Rich </a><i><br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Disgusting.
Elsewhere in the Middle East there are families having to sedate or
sell their children because they can't afford food</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">some European countries are so poor too <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😊" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t7f/1/16/1f60a.png" width="16" /></span></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ot
*that* poor (following centuries of our continent taking from
elsewhere), but I am well aware that poverty is not limited to one place</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">well i don't like when y'all speak evil about other regions forgotten that urs is not perfect either.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Y<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ikes,
I absolutely never said that my country is "perfect", I'm disgusted and
infuriated by how my nation has profited from exploiting various
countries in the Global South. I bang on about it quite a lot. But
virtually no one here has a pool, let alone multiple pools and stables, I
was reacting to the OP.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Fengland-france-kane-misses-penalty-giroud-world-cup-semi-final-morocco-2021953%3Fito%3Dsocial_ifb_theipaper%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0JXsn8qTcytYsyI8Bz_RuLXOCM_w86yHq2UuvU7FdlzYpuIIfsXGkC-iU%23Echobox%3D1670707915&h=AT3SafwrOYitYIvfUHzLUfyoJCyB8LnpzjAhhN1toPHDk-Mlm_e5h9urHimoQT4KFyx2i9rPBOTEKRxqElSXU8ZI-7WmOAk3qeUqSi_MciZ_yH0b2qlTNozHPOpmFJ3RLtnq&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1xs8HGy6_8f22ZS-6xEGCqgYMeK5ndWFrPx7UkWwEBNOtJj1yoYgUKPKTWpIwnzg5pdnXPubnL_txqJjXdcc3ODrXXJIm3wgN2H0Avh9JNXDATjj4rrTjIK-54NFhCZovOhm9_fVSPWDTLQfYzf-z87hdDm1sHDdV1jgGHF1XjTRhplg" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">England's penalty heartache at the World Cup</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I don't give a toss myself, but I'm concerned about the women who'll now be yelled at or physically hurt by their partners.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid023J5zpv1PLjfrKyeutDnEgAaZLr7cYeeiiy6fSatNuU82GtFoPzLmasZqvBD8r2Zrl?comment_id=462769615982305" target="_blank">GBeebies - ‘They’ve ditched Christianity in favour for left-wing politics.’ (asylum policy)</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL,
why do you think you're knowledgable about Christianity? The Bible
repeatedly instructs us to care for people from elsewhere.</span></div></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/opinion/moving-to-a-grammar-school-showed-me-how-selective-schooling-can-be-a-good-thing-for-children-2020343?utm_term=Autofeed&ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1r44uVZpJNofnc57U5HYY2VHwPEKghlyW42VeteBLs7HwnNVJdjRyy2Y0#Echobox=1670613531" target="_blank">Moving to a grammar school showed me how selective schooling can be a good thing for children</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Did
they not educate you enough for you to know that your personal
experience is of less significance than research and statistical
analyses? Or that it's not only the attendees of grammar schools who
matter, but society as a whole?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2F38d.gs%2FFSM_fb2%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0VmQCbm7bdk_nCrHnbhHlAXkX_JGclYhf4mJWNXYdQEo54TrBN0dwvw8U&h=AT0biE--lBRHgRu0KbkXMv74Rkiv2ytbyeKqR8i-J9AK7ud4LBkiwG_FWXgFzvrw_K50eReanF7YysDyDbtMw0v_OdjJjODemQns_62rBZdDwnqPVs9wKSTWLbm3GO6ejiho&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT1xnpYJ61BMG4gbVwQrNvOT1oP9-18UtwUvdfQU3V3SmNpyi6MBcGaKn1WqNco09IisXCc2FrpuqaR96EUv8rxQqR_eIt9cUWH3nUDKxTyH-IpQxCQG5Y3M3rzAzRIPBVwMNuEDnkc96sp3G26SEmNPs_9nfL3rwOEbQ4dh-bNyC1XVvw" target="_blank">Kate Winslet, Zayn Malik, Marcus Rashford and Jamie Oliver - teamed up in the fight to expand free school meals </a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">They're correct, but they're also rolling in it (so far as I'm aware?). Thus they're arguably part of the problem.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
take the opposite view - those that are ‘ Rolling in it ‘ - are to be
commended for their views on Social inequalities- ( if they were poor
they would be accused of ‘ typical spongers ‘ acting out of self
interest ! )</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
by having so much, they are part of the issue. How can they call for
wealth to be more fairly distributed whilst hanging on to so much more
than the average person?</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">There’s nothing wrong with people having money. It’s what they do with it that matters. Surely you can see that?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">nd are they not hanging on to a lot of it/spending a lot on themselves?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebridgehead.ca%2F2022%2F12%2F07%2Fthe-new-counter-revolutionary-womens-movement%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Dbn9vrr6aLmuv5qvbMYQo02cMD3N-wTUAlsJzJRCZb9oFCLl0MLIWHyY&h=AT2OvQ62O55YCi0aSVLGy03tt3dt3rCVMrImp_NlxjRkvL2WjX31yrDtasQdfiZbm3rjKVV3EUQmCUgKbsOa2jf8h70f7aVuCTJgm1aOxGc6TaRb3BeXgfRFZTNm0GOnmTUO&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT1cqpO3gCmwJMTCodVzEiBNK_89cAMeatzdBFULDiRlqvtj6fHbG7jhqmvOFuSmHAFd8NXm3nWI1-nGE2D33c38rO956QEfHeCk3Q1ZF6SkPOFh0vGe2geg9GJY_qTFiEr6WkoDhscAqexQTaz_1u-uR5O6gPgpy6NSPcXYiCTUDFnC4g" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">omen’s movement--an 18-year-old suing the medical institutions that "transitioned"</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Here
in the UK, Mermaids is being investigated by the Charity Commission and
its head suddenly quit without explanation. A lot of people, across the
political spectrum, are furious with the movement.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> <br /></i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/11/29/the-war-on-christmas/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR20dLcN3Q5seDFMRgOIdFp-jRaKodEhq2ZeTOo8gDaR4Tkv7ESU12m3YFo#Echobox=1670358691" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/11/29/the-war-on-christmas/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR20dLcN3Q5seDFMRgOIdFp-jRaKodEhq2ZeTOo8gDaR4Tkv7ESU12m3YFo#Echobox=1670358691" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/11/29/the-war-on-christmas/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR20dLcN3Q5seDFMRgOIdFp-jRaKodEhq2ZeTOo8gDaR4Tkv7ESU12m3YFo#Echobox=1670358691" target="_blank">A History of the 'War on Christmas'</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Personally,
I believe that Jesus offers eternal life and greater joy in this
lifetime than anything else, so I desperately want more people to choose
to accept Him (I don't want them to miss out) - but it's their
decision, and worrying about Starbucks cups won't help.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://twitter.com/GraceHBDalton/status/1601182627578679298" target="_blank"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">Main takeaways so far from the Harry and Meghan doc: - People need to get out more</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">Sure. But Harry and Meghan are multi millionaires claiming victim status. For most people, TV /streaming is the primary source affordable entertainment.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">Can you say exactly at what level of wealth do your emotions switch off and you become immune to racism, privacy violations, media hounding, paparazzi, crazy fans & every Tom Dick & Harry thinking they know your life better than you do?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"></span><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">I didn't say that emotions switch off. But I guess some of them do, if one can be well aware that there are people in our world who are literally starving to death and yet spend so much on one's self.</span><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">This is like saying I shouldn’t complain about my electric bill since I live in a first world country because there are people in third world countries who don’t even have any electricity. Life’s ups and downs are relative. You don’t get to choose for people what theirs are.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">We should be very conscious of our privilege in living in a wealthy country, but no, it's not like saying that. Things aren't entirely "relative", that's just a saying. In reality human beings are equal and have the same basic needs</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">That’s a very simplistic view. We’re very unique & complex creatures. Country privilege is relative too b’se some people in the 3rd world live better than some 1st worlders. Humans should have equal rights, yes. But that doesn’t make we’re all equal with the same basic needs.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"></span><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">I'm well aware that poverty is not only a matter of country, but it is significant and you brought it up
Human beings DO have the same basic needs for the most part Harry and Meghan don't *need* more attention, nor such a lavish lifestyle (nor do other celebs or Royals of course)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">s</span><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">he wasn’t comparing about being too famous or rich. She is calling out media manipulation & harassment which honestly is necessary. British tabloids are scum</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">I didn't say that she's complaining abt being rich, bt they're failing 2 recognise how monumentally privileged they R, +want attention *again* as victims, attn that shd B given 2 ppl who R suffering far more
Yes tabloids suck (it doesn't help 2 create shows with more falsehoods)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">Want attention again? Would you want the kind of negative attention that they get on the daily? The Mail wrote 65 articles abt Meghan in a 24 hour span. The Express, 69! All negative. & that’s just 2 papers. They choose to not report on important stuff & instead go after Meghan</span></i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">Yes they want attention. They cld use their privileged platform 2 raise awareness of disadvantaged ppl, esp having already talked abt themselves a lot
TheMail+Express R trash, every1 knows that- H&M(who did have positive press previously) R giving them more 2 yap about w/this doc</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">They do! This year alone they’ve built a playground in Uvalde, Harry took US senators to Africa to raise awareness on African parks, built world central kitchens in Haiti, DR, PR & India. If you ignored the tabloids & looked into them yourself, you’d know this.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">Last time I checked their site, there was no mention/evidence of them expending actual labour or money for causes, they seem to just be piggybacking off others. Did they fund the playground or kitchens? "Parks" are not people, Harry's conservation org contributed to human deaths</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">You are so determined to find what’s wrong with them that you cannot see any good. World Central Kitchen themselves did a whole video abt their involvement. Uvalde playground, just google it yourself. I cannot understand this type of mindset where perfect is the enemy of good.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">So I guess that's a no?
I'm not "determined", I'm frustrated. Partly because of the falsehoods, partly because there's such injustice in our world, and it'll continue whilst society puts the elite on pedestals as though they're infinitely more deserving than the less privileged.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">I already told you those people made video about it. Those video include money amounts too. You speak of injustice but seem perfectly fine with the global vilification of a woman whose only audacity was to marry into a royal family.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">I don't typically spend time seeking out and watching videos 2 prove the points of people who've decided to argue with me, who haven't bothered presenting the evidence themselves
I've already previously read through their website
Again, the injustices+coverage are not comparable</span></div><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">You chose to believe they don’t do anything substantial. I told you what they do & you can google it yourself. It’s not my job to improve upon your ignorance. That’s on you. Hate them, love them. That’s also on you.</span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">I believe that because I have looked at their site. I also noticed how The Bench had nothing on it to indicate that any of the proceeds would be donated. And again, they choose to spend lavishly on themselves.
"Your job"? It's you whose chosen to argue for ages on my thread.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">Why would they donate those proceeds? Do you donate everything you make?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0">I never said that that they should donate *everything*.
I don't have a mansion, Netflix deal +more. If I did, I absolutely would donate all the proceeds from a book, I'd also downsize +donate from the sale of the mansion. ATM I live cheaply +give what I can, do you need details?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="css-901oao css-16my406 r-poiln3 r-bcqeeo r-qvutc0"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i></span></div><p></p>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-60827156223655791452022-10-29T11:08:00.000-07:002022-10-29T11:08:03.299-07:00<p> </p><div><div class="" dir="auto"><div class="x1iorvi4 x1pi30zi x1swvt13 xjkvuk6" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id="jsc_c_5"><div class="x78zum5 xdt5ytf xz62fqu x16ldp7u"><div class="xu06os2 x1ok221b"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm really not going to cope with seeing Sunak on screen all the time pretending to be caring. I'm seething. He condemned so many people to unimaginable suffering by cutting Aid (then misquoted the Bible in his lame attempt to justify it). What kind of person does that?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(I do, obviously, also blame BoJo and most of the Tories for allowing Sunak to do this)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Shld have an English pm</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
is hilarious. Rishi Sunak is English. He was born in Hampshire, in the
same hospital as one of my immediate family members. BoJo was born
overseas, BTW (and has Turkish heritage). <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Skin colour is immaterial in this, and most, <a tabindex="-1"></a>discussions.
I oppose Sunak because of his *values*; but he and many other people of
colour (most with far better values) are still British, and their
melanin levels don't change whether or not they can lead well.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note,
our country is one of the most wealthy and developed in no small part
because of immorally taking from and exploiting the labour of other
countries, India being a prime example - we only have the standard of
living we do because of benefits accrued from other countries, so we
should respect those countries.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We've
also benefitted from the movement of people throughout history. People
have always been moving into Britain, and if you were to look back far
enough you'd find migrants in your own ancestry. "England" is a name
derived from the name of a people group from Germany who moved here.
People coming to Britain from around the world meant that they brought
ideas with them that advanced our society - and studies show that
diversity improves a nation's economy etc. In the last century, people
of colour have moved here because Britain had previously colonised their
countries, and they've worked extremely hard.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Another
thing that's made Britain a relatively good place to be is actual
Christian values - not simply calling oneself a Christian as many people
do on the basis of their background, but actually seeking to follow
Christian principles of, for instance, caring for the weak. Christian
values also dictate that we should care for those from elsewhere.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>now
let me tell you this. Everything that has been invented and founded,
has been by the Scottish, English, Germans and French. We managed for
centuries without Asian people in our country. Enoch said that they will
bring trouble with them, that's what did happen and that's what is happening.</i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>He
isn't English, he is classed as British. I am a Conservative voter, but
i will never vote for him and any of his type. No chance. I'm a proper
English man. I am a loyalist. So don't you ever try and tell me I'm
incorrect.! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"how
was Powell wrong" ? He referenced rivers of blood, which there aren't.
In fact there's a lower murder rate now than when he was around.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What exactly are basing your hilarious assertion about "everything that has been invented or <a tabindex="-1"></a>founded"
on? Seriously, what are your sources and qualifications? Shall I start
listing things invented and founded by other people? I could go on and
on, I'm not sure how much time I should waste talking to you. And as you
should know, if you have any idea about history, the people groups
you've listed have had far more opportunity to invent things, as we've
long had universities enriched by brutal theft from elsewhere.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And again, Sunak is English, whether you like it or not. What are you basing your risible objection to this on?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"So
you don't you tell me I'm wrong" is not an argument, it just makes me
laugh and suggests that you don't have rational points to make.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>i
did not say Powell was wrong. I said he was correct. He said that if
they come to our country, we will have problems. We are having
problems. You seem to have a bad memory. Remember Keith Blakelock? You
probably have to Google his name. All these
immygrunts we see on the news that are attacking English girls. The car
crimes. Tune in to..... Police interceptors, tell me how many white
people the police apprehend,.very few.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You know I'm correct, but you will not agree with me, for fear of being different</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I didn't say that you said Powell was wrong, I was quoting your question answering it.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There's always been crime, and as I've said murder rates have gone DOWN.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You haven't presented any statistics or rational arguments.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's very funny that you think we all secretely agree with you</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">murder rates have not gone down, i have some relatives in the dibble. Less people are being caught, less convictions. </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You
haven't sent me any statistics, but you need to get into the real world
and wake up to what immygrunts have done to our country</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a class="x1i10hfl xjbqb8w x6umtig x1b1mbwd xaqea5y xav7gou x9f619 x1ypdohk xt0psk2 xe8uvvx xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r xexx8yu x4uap5 x18d9i69 xkhd6sd x16tdsg8 x1hl2dhg xggy1nq x1a2a7pz xt0b8zv x1fey0fg" href="https://www.vrc.crim.cam.ac.uk/vrcresearch/london-medieval-murder-map/historical-background?fbclid=IwAR3shja-inkPQTjs4FI88wu0dmYG7PHWjyR6_-Mlkarzh6F-hjLf1eOxQGI" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.vrc.crim.cam.ac.uk/.../historical-background</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang=""></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm talking about now</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why?
The period highlighted was a time when everyone here was white and yet
the murder rate was multiple times higher. Therefore violence is not
about people not being white, as you've asserted. And if you look up
violent crime levels from several decades ago,
you'll see that it was worse than now though there were fewer migrants.
And I don't know why you think conviction rates determine this. This
whole thread began RE Sunak. If you honestly that he's more prone to
violence because he's not white you are words I shouldn't say. And
you've not provided any evidence for your utterly ridiculous assertions
that people of colour haven't achieved things (you even left out
Italians etc, for frick's sake), as though you're so uninformed about
history you don't even know about the ancient Egyptians or the origins
of our numerical system, let alone infinitely more inventions etc by
people of colour that could be listed.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Ultimately
you clearly have the irrational belief that people of different
ethnicities are intrinsically different with significantly different
brains, and that is plainly scientifically false. I have wasted enough
time on this thread, and won't waste any more as you've made no
intelligent points at all.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-83005763952719495362022-10-29T10:57:00.004-07:002022-12-04T17:32:41.559-08:00<p> </p><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/24/what-now-for-scottish-independence/?fbclid=IwAR26xTGgQAGijp1C3BRn9amARtLBLfHVBT1VKMPom6wq_pbH1X-J1WfEGrk" target="_blank">What Now for Scottish Independence?</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If
one goes back in history a bit further than the joining of Scotland and
England/Wales, England didn't exist, it was a collection of kingdoms,
but I'm not demanding that I should therefore be separated from
Northerners etc (and I wouldn't want to be). Scotland wasn't always one
kingdom either. I don't get the obsession with an arbitrary division,
the UK is the entity we were all born into and it's not inherently
oppressive to be part of the same nation as people on the same island.
Pride in one's location to the extent of wanting to be rid of others is
really, really not helpful/progressive.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>arbitrary division, really? But England and Scotland did exist when The Political Union was formed did they not?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">S<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o?
The division was dissolved centuries ago, as others have been, so yes
it is now arbitrary - you've not offered any reason to the contrary.
This is slightly like Brexiteers wanting imperial measures back "because
history", which is daft for them to want, but at
least they have experienced imperial measures so they're nostalgic. None
of us have been alive when Scotland and England were separate, it's not
as though England has just invaded is ruling over Scotland - and
Scottish people get significantly more money per head from government
spending.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you
get what your Parliament votes for then, I'm alright and happy Jack
with The Corrupt Westminster Parliament, its not a Political Union
anyone is free to leave just like we left the EU, What was wrong with us
being in the EU all living together happily? </span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
Scottish people didn't vote for Brexit either but because England holds
all the cards both by population and Constituencies , Scotland Wales
and NI always get what England votes for . That is not an Equal Political Union nor particularly democratic.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>English seats in Parliament 535</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Scottish Seats 59 oh and they want to reduce that number.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Aso
Scots are not demanding they leave they are just wanting another vote
on it , which should not really be a problem ina true Democracy.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
Uk is a Feudal State with a One Party Two Colour system of Governance
and your choices of elected representative is strictly controlled by
that ONE PARTYwhich is Privately Owned and controlled.</i></div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again
you've not given a reason that border between Scotland and England
should be a division into independent nations. What you've done is to
imply that a Scottish voter matters more than an English voter. Unless
Scottish MPs are currently disproportionately few
per citizen as compared to the rest of parliament, why on Earth do you
think that Scotland is under represented? In fact it is vastly over
represented, the SNP gets to platform Ian Blackford and others in the
Commons and in maninstr media constantly (which I'm not opposed to, most
of their views on other issues are sensible). London has far more
people but we don't get that representation (I'm not saying that we
should). It's people that matter, yet you brush past the word
"population" like it's insignificant, as though nationalism matters more
than humanity. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">
"Scotland didn't want Brexit"? It is comprised of individuals who voted -
in different ways - and the rest of the UK also is comprised of
individuals who voted in different ways, and across the UK, which
Scotland is a part of, each vote is of equal value. London mostly voted
to remain, but regionalism is irrelevant, it's people who matter and
every citizen is equal.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Feudal"? When Scottish people get far more money per capita in go spending?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/doctorsdrama/posts/10159160436572543/?comment_id=10159160448842543&reply_comment_id=10159160452782543" target="_blank">Doctors Storyline </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Before Daniel found out that Lee is 18, he implied to Izzie that she should use protection. Of course she should *if* she's doing what Daniel believes, but surely if he thinks she's having sex he has a responsibility (irrespective of the boy's age) to try to stop her? Or at least to *carefully* warn her against it?<br />She's below the age of consent. He effectively endorsed breaking the law - or, more importantly, arguably endorsed what could be considered child abuse. The age of consent exists to protect very young people from doing things that they may be psychologically unready for - condoms aren't the only issue.<br />IMO, in general, young people should be *encouraged* (though not dictated to) to wait, rather than be led by hormones or cultural/peer pressure, for the sake of their emotional well-being (whilst also receiving plenty of information about safety, and absolutely not being shamed) <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But if they are going to have sex wouldn't you rather protection than any stis or even pregnancy <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤦♀️" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tc3/1/16/1f926_200d_2640.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤦♀️" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tc3/1/16/1f926_200d_2640.png" width="16" /></span> honestly Daniel knows what he was like as a teen he's being a sensible parent</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">As
I made very clear, of course they should use protection *if* they do
it. But she should also be caringly, tactfully encouraged not to at the
very least, especially since she's underage.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
find thought that their 15 year old child was going to attempt driving,
one wouldn't just say "wear a seat belt". One would tell them to wear a
seat belt if they go ahead, but one would also urge them not to do so.
Sending the message that it's OK so long as one uses protection is not
caring for their best interests.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.thenational.scot/news/23149734.banning-foreign-students-universities-absolutely-stupid/" target="_blank">Banning foreign students from universities is 'absolutely stupid'</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Will young people end up being charged more because, ultimately, of the xenophobia of some older people?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.doubledown.news%2Fwatch%2F2022%2F30%2Fnovember%2Fwhy-its-time-to-ban-betting-sponsors-in-football%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3Fxg6U-d-7rGKbcere38aE-VJcKRvcTakZPjuOTJtJcH-AtMM-bQA7Idg&h=AT1RfMEUTJrQdtS5ljfDHSzAd0R8e2M8f-x0rjMkxEJiyfzwsOiyP1Gl0n1nzODFVa9tnEAnBqWyw-1rwNkA83o-JeNf2EXXJEm5fO6i799Qia3PtuTUi5mscdUH_6xzMPj3&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1clXFXNNYrjs5B7rvfK_BisuVHLlIH7tRGUZX1MQvnbn8vqtguaSZIQNnfiqRdJq0FgttLB7wUWx2q9MqHdwxFrF1RtK1b7iOEALQJW0vvb1ne7leBJnHm1JMTCtnWUfR8Iu5XWdWWCd92RXrOhx7Ca7uWqhYQ1UjzO3wDtX7LqHy2rRs" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Why It’s Time To Ban Betting Sponsors in Football</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">After
William Wilberforce had fought slavery, he fought against the lottery,
because gambling ultimately preys on disadvantaged people</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/street-preacher-was-charged-with-hate-crime-for-quoting-bible-at-lesbians-xbrhgr25r?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR11YM38LumdqMis4ERaHZ_GllTk6YLiFmUh9WclhZo3YUUHS1BwRbreEFA#Echobox=1669997695" target="_blank">Street preacher was charged with hate crime for quoting Bible at lesbians</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I absolutely disagree with him being charged, and it's not necessarily "hate" to believe that God knows best about sexuality. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
what did the street preacher think he'd achieve? And why focus on one
sin, when we all sin and all need the forgiveness Jesus makes possible?
Our fellow Brits need to hear The Gospel, and *why* we believe that it's
actually *true*, going on about sexuality with people who don't even
believe is not helpful (and makes one wonder, is the preacher conscious
enough of his own need for forgiveness through Christ? As Christians we
should be more aware of the grace we've received and thus be humbled and
empathetic)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"I
charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall
judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;</i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but
after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears;</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."</i></div></div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">I</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ndeed. But the bloke concerned did not *preach The Word* in the conversation concerned.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If he spoke out about homosexuality, he was *preaching the Word*. Isn't that right? Of course it is</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"The
Word" is The Gospel, that is that we have *all* sinned, and thus
separated ourselves from God, but are offered salvation through Jesus,
who died in our place and rose again (defeating death). Indeed sex
outside of heterosexual marriage is prohibited by
God, but simply criticising people for it is not The Word at all. And it
makes me wonder if the guy is truly aware of his own need of salvation.
He's absolutely not going to get anyone to repent simply by saying what
he did, all he's done is to reinforce disdain for Christianity.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Well,
how do you deal with your sinful nature, as a Christian? You repent for
your sin, and you try your best to not do it again. The verses I cited
from 2nd Timothy say that we should 'reprove, rebuke, exhort with all
longsuffering and doctrine'. We don't pat them on
the head, and tell them everything is good, when it's not. I thought we
were in the business of winning souls? How can you win a soul, when you
refuse to help them understand the changes they need to make in their
lives?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When did I say that we should "pat them on the head, and tell them everything is good"?<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Saying
what he did absolutely will not contribute to *winning souls*, he's
instead made the women he spoke to and people reading about this more <a tabindex="-1"></a>unwilling to consider Christianity.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
people don't already believe in God and His commands, why do you think
they'd take seriously having *their relationship* criticised? To them it
feels like the epitome of goodness in their lives. How, if you have a
spouse, do you think you'd feel in their situation? Would you accept
what the stranger criticising your marriage was saying and convert to
following his cause?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Deep down each person knows that they've done things wrong - but they won't recognise their relationship as one of those things.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
I "deal with my own sinful nature" is to confess to God and ask His
forgiveness and help in becoming better. Because of my awareness of my
own sin and need of salvation through Jesus, I'm not going to start
picking on other people to their faces for something like this.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>But, isn't that precisely why you should explain to people that they should repent to God, and turn from their sinful ways?</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Don't
you want them to attain salvation? The alternative is pretty grim. I
would think that feeling uncomfortable is a small price for someone to
pay, if it brings someone out of darkness...but hey, that's just me, I
guess.</div></div></span></i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span>OF COURSE I want them to attain salvation, desperately, and of course feeling uncomfortable doesn't matter. But as I've been saying, what this man said in this instance is Not going to contribute to them attaining salvation at all, because they won't take him seriously, they'll just think that Christianity is bigoted and be less willing to listen. It seems like you haven't been reading what I've written (?)</span><br /><span>We really, really need to tell people about Jesus, who loves them in spite of their sin - and we must aim to emulate Him in our conversations. Think, for example, about how He spoke to the woman at the well, and the woman caught in adultery - like the women this preacher spoke to, they had been breaking God's law RE sex, but His approach was entirely different to that of this preacher</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://fullfact.org/immigration/nigel-farage-census-london-manchester/?fbclid=IwAR2vhUGa_m3kKGaEMR0GTNMq_TVUIxmzT5IgGVZkfACyc6xF-8SiAO3fQh8" target="_blank">Nigel Farage tweeted
“According to the [Office for National Statistics] figures, London,
Manchester and Birmingham are now all minority white cities”</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He
also seemed to link the decline in people identity as Christians to the
increase in diversity, which was clear evidence of his foolishness.
He's incredibly ignorant if he doesn't know that white Brits are less
Christian than some other ethnicities. Ethnic diversity is *slowing* the
decline of Christianity in Britain. Anyone who genuinely loves Jesus is
infinitely more interested in beliefs than skin tones</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TalkTVUK/posts/pfbid02xr7zjM58x2KD5Yx19CbVdjFD8NDDR8GpDBXFg8jD6DvMiA2xMAwbGgyGD72oHY4jl?comment_id=1659272754488715" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TalkTVUK/posts/pfbid02xr7zjM58x2KD5Yx19CbVdjFD8NDDR8GpDBXFg8jD6DvMiA2xMAwbGgyGD72oHY4jl?comment_id=1659272754488715" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></a><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TalkTVUK/posts/pfbid02xr7zjM58x2KD5Yx19CbVdjFD8NDDR8GpDBXFg8jD6DvMiA2xMAwbGgyGD72oHY4jl?comment_id=1659272754488715" target="_blank">TalkTV Julia Hartley Brewer - "UK Culture is Based on Christian Values"</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Indeed
many values we hold as standard are in fact rooted in Christianity. But
ultimately Christianity is to choose to follow Jesus, it's not a matter
of heritage nor a feature of a country. Most Brits aren't interested in
Him - and don't know about the reasons to conclude that God and the
resurrection are realities.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbnews.uk%2Fopinion%2Fhumans-need-to-belong-feel-appreciated-respected-and-cared-for-as-a-member-of-a-group-whether-that-is-family-friends-a-congregation-or-a-battalion-says-bev-turner%2F399383%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3O79Th6301gBfHga6X2RSn8xeflOWzLVrKGkh9b96YAi-zQGnto6vOiMk&h=AT0bEVAIg4MxXsEe_CQwdCp9sQNh0JRhlM59rDCdfzbv7_yXIfnPiNpdLJIymEP1b351_lwJoer7fK5BHdvdoo97Adt68nJdN1WJ117RbRmFNNyMAMCaUyMn7eK47gnKkIN6&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0Ku5sFMnJpBvrmikejE1TJ7R9oeDrMqKd6b-lIHfuRg4wc6hHyGxNEOgFNZPD3w7dWvQRvywjC6S73BQbRrPc-h8-nKXzbTBy-Nm9bhydo0wl8go4efdIjPfVowXpGqiTthR75r0whi9zVVU0S-LTfp_NaqrcdZdxsCFEVC7Pu8vQiEw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbnews.uk%2Fopinion%2Fhumans-need-to-belong-feel-appreciated-respected-and-cared-for-as-a-member-of-a-group-whether-that-is-family-friends-a-congregation-or-a-battalion-says-bev-turner%2F399383%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3O79Th6301gBfHga6X2RSn8xeflOWzLVrKGkh9b96YAi-zQGnto6vOiMk&h=AT0bEVAIg4MxXsEe_CQwdCp9sQNh0JRhlM59rDCdfzbv7_yXIfnPiNpdLJIymEP1b351_lwJoer7fK5BHdvdoo97Adt68nJdN1WJ117RbRmFNNyMAMCaUyMn7eK47gnKkIN6&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0Ku5sFMnJpBvrmikejE1TJ7R9oeDrMqKd6b-lIHfuRg4wc6hHyGxNEOgFNZPD3w7dWvQRvywjC6S73BQbRrPc-h8-nKXzbTBy-Nm9bhydo0wl8go4efdIjPfVowXpGqiTthR75r0whi9zVVU0S-LTfp_NaqrcdZdxsCFEVC7Pu8vQiEw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">GBeebies
- Humans need to belong, feel appreciated, respected, and cared for as a
member of a group, whether that is family, friends, a congregation or a
battalion, says Bev Turner</span></a></span></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Spot the creeping far-right dog whistle of putting religion and militarism on the same level as family and friends.Here's
a useful grouping for you: Humanity. If you're choosing one human
over another human because of their fucking passport, you're the problem not the solution.</div></div></span></i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
absolutely get your point, but how are you defining religion? For me
following Jesus (who commands us to love others, including those from
elsewhere, though GBeebies wouldn't know) is the most important thing in
my life - and it means I feel closer to many people of colour than I do
to many other white Brits</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/news/christianity-uk-drops-below-50-expected-fall-again-next-census-2000608#Echobox=1669750209" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Less than half UK is Christian for first time since Dark Ages – and why it will fall again</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity
has long been followed by only a small minority, but many people have
referred to themselves as Christian because they feel like that's the
British thing to do. What's changed most is that slightly fewer people
now do that.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity is <a tabindex="-1"></a>a
somewhat non white British thing now, in that most white Brits ignore
it but there are thriving congregations of other backgrounds.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Most
Brits aren't aware of the reasons for concluding Christianity to be
true, people mistakenly presume that it's just superstition.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I was Christian but in 2020 months converted to Judaism</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Interesting. Do you want to explain? (not that it's something that needs defending or justifying, obviously, I'm just curious)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Jews
have never made me feel bad about myself. Christians told me I was
going to hell. Jews told me god makes no errors and I’m beautiful as I
was made in his image. See the difference.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Those
are complicated topics, but it sounds as though they were not actually
well enough aware of what Jesus taught. I'm so sorry if you've been
hurt. Personally I'd urge you to form a view of Jesus Himself (instead
of the actions/attitudes of other people who aren't emulating Him) and
what He said and did. In a parallel to the situation today, He
repeatedly argued with people who claimed to be religious but weren't
following God's commands (particularly about helping others) and warned
about some people in the future who'd claim to be of Him yet not be. But
obviously what you do or believe is none of my business whatsoever, so
massive apologies for sounding so interfering and patronising!</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Best wishes on your belief journey</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Fopinion%2Fprivate-schools-morally-unjust-harmful-labour-dismantle-2001709%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1E4M4UkSs5Th9e2bi3VganXB3BrAM7yWgFPfgyarNvdzLqYWgjgrtq4xo&h=AT097E_y_DDY45yRaB-cAdZu6q4onLaFEMxYdqAEywald2OwULqow-WFZkgw-S-SDxgKTMS-l-cjR2FXCLbpAXNZTlTZB13n7zFsHk_oaTGQdF9Um5kqH_mRjFygQqaysEY-&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT0TXejMtwXqp0n5Py8W9RYlmtoDJAGKe5yZncX5Q9CG8SXKHBBN2eBak6JTVruv0tXPNJumwKw5iOS7CqZy4Do1V7qvGKmkmbXx2SjJ6lE6MFBAEyNKNMtIDg2xmAVniyn_JFn4vo9i7fvWHUr4lgWmevNoxFYCzuUbAvM4GnRMlSn_0w" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Labour’s private school policy is not too harsh. It isn’t harsh enough.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Interesting
how Sunak accuses Starmer of disrespecting his (Sunak's) parents by
wanting to end tax emeption for private schools. Sunak disrespects his
parents by allowing his party and Home Secretary to fuel anti migrant
hatred</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F11%2F29%2Fprivate-schools-warn-bursaries-threat-labours-tax-plan%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2ckGjE5_OQdw4qqpKnUIyWafo7P4qXg8Gu3BDhH6PzK5C8qB_Ic_-wsZI%23Echobox%3D1669734443&h=AT28Q8Nh5xgbxRjpEfK4ze_DyFLbTF5xfx77MxoZQn7dr_PXz6H_cIAHTN0MA_fwa5uEO5w0RxUZlyaVb6yiYdHG9RkFM15Gea46Ux8k59sKtNcEezuTvOzO_S1XeuGgnTym&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3PiVQx41HSEfmQh3eD8MA8KpPkYWU7jfDWyq5wz1bFxvOdVdGpcynvqE32_S4mH9j9YxdPsTkyaXnR0ofPHmdmi6kaVzJEczda0w8MKHWhSpLHXXvCDRepsDf76aZ_Q2imbPptXvqZSXwpVqekV9-ZwEquSdSNn-volb1GVZUj0QGkXWf-" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Private schools have warned that bursaries for poorer pupils would be at risk under Labour’s plan to remove their charitable status</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Tory
Aid cuts have already stopped scores of children from being able to
attend school at all, and they're here pretending it's some tragedy that
elitist institutions that contribute to division might no longer be
free to dodge tax?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2022%2F12%2F02%2Fgive-californian-slavery-descendants-200000-reparations-report%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1PWJv4lkPuUO-t-nxan3s1IBTMjlArNOB76lfAf2iAAuB9kxM1X4QyGRU%23Echobox%3D1669998846&h=AT1ZQRfwZ9Wb4b9KDLazH7llYaKdCGl-pS-_O23jGYof0EZDGUhNdhPUOyEi0mlftUweSqSjvXH1xrt0RiFI4gjnKxYDZpOs3s8Ti1ZvZugIDrSfY6eStGb7aDQP4fYaTcH6&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3Ubd7oZR-H4DPLw1LQ9mVsYe2GGMubL3AEKOymPtrh_sl5Z2Rr_lHoJ0YPCPjF_Rap2CX3VtophENuKoLccKidckp18I9Ti5HvsC-hZM3EL15WGvdhgwUJHCS33WAoyF36RH_BD3ZP2jSfQlMA3rI_CXcSr3yQhi6MHgGb96ypzZi_zifO0Nm_GBWBr5oKZ3Sft0_elker_hKCeIpY" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Descendants of slaves should each receive more than $200,000 (£164,000) </span></a><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People
should receive additional support if they are in poverty because of
such injustices, but not compensation purely on the basis of things
their ancestors went through. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Giving compensation for a wrong to people who weren't the victims of that wrong <a tabindex="-1"></a>doesn't
make sense - and the implication that doing so "repairs" the
immeasurable evil suffered by now deceased enslaved people seems to
disrespect those victims, their suffering cannot be undone. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
there are statistically demonstrable injustices faced by many Black
Americans, and these need addressing. Though there are also horrendous
injustices faced by people elsewhere in our world because of colonialism
by the West (from which we unjustly benefit), and these problems need
addressing too.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/28/tory-mps-call-for-immediate-return-of-albanian-asylum-seekers?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3dVh3ty4GU2oqLdLtVnkViLMW387QO_dSPF1c-odAtNTgld2HZBW69_Mo#Echobox=1669666992" target="_blank">Tory MPs’ plan for immediate return of Albanian asylum seekers ‘unworkable</a>’</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
a problem that a large proportion of the Overseas Aid budget - that
should be helping famine victims etc - is being spent on British hotels
for *some* who don't *need* to come.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
there really, really needs to be separate funding for, and reform of,
the immigration system so that those in need can be supported and so
that those able to can work.</div></div></span></div> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.timeslive.co.za/sunday-times-daily/opinion-and-analysis/2022-11-27-eusebius-mckaiser-there-should-be-a-bare-minimum-for-moral-decency-and-qatar-is-far-below-it/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1f-XVoQG4FsN-blm24FtfbMO2w5hd04PtOcoqWGHI5ScCcFiSz2npu9Qk#Echobox=1669608744-1" target="_blank">There should be a bare minimum for moral decency, and Qatar is far below it</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've
seen so many people defending Qatar's leadership, or Putin, on the
basis of evil by "the West" (which is in itself an oversimplification,
in that the citizens and leaders of the West are not the same as one
another - most of us hate what some of our leaders have done elsewhere
in the world). It's not rational. Evil in one place doesn't mean that
what's going on in another place cannot be evil. Greed and brutality are
flaws of the human species, not limited to one region of the Globe.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">we
will only believe that you guys hate what your government is doing to
other countries only when yourl start pointing it out and shouting about
it the same way you guys are doing on Qata</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In all seriousness, can you recommend effective ways to do so? I note that you've used present tense, would you please clarify?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Qatar has a lot of media attention ATM because of the specific event - *right now* it's on screen anyway, <a tabindex="-1"></a>because football is our national religion.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/25/exclusive-england-fans-knight-fancy-dress-accused-muslim-killers/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1YVYiJ27jVXQJkr_Bj3i8X2yO0Skfw5i2amRE5uyUJ4i9swvzVkpSep1E#Echobox=1669380710" target="_blank">England fans dressed as knights accused of being 'Muslim killers' by Qatari police </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
crusaders were misguided (claiming to be Christian but behaving in an
unChristlike way) and these guys are too. Though obviously, I hope
they're released.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/timesandsundaytimes/posts/pfbid0Z7dyL9HuDCeYtXiz5SbnfgJdHdsLEYiS6aAVEVGxJWCqyYEYMDkjfAF2qVfzf7VAl?comment_id=1190015518580315" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Why should footballers wear hearts on sleeves?</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">They
should be *allowed* to. But it seems like an attempt to score points -
Kane has over £40million - if he cares about social justice, why doesn't
he give a chunk of it to the exploited labourers who built the stadiums
and their bereaved families?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1698765/qatar-world-cup-2022-start-analysis-lgbt-human-rights-how-many-died-peter-tatchell?fbclid=IwAR2OOeOiQWwE1ywq6a8HGoOPHB5x3Yw51ZXU0qbN6IFtmbGR4OAW48loTOo" target="_blank">About 6,500 migrant workers in Qatar have died since 2010 </a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
human sacrifice for the religion of football. Grown men will get
insanely emotional about a ball going into a net and not care
particularly that unimaginable suffering has been endured by labourers
and their bereaved families. Our culture is mad.</span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">How many does the West Kill every year ? Hypocrites..</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
aren't making those decisions. Indeed some of our leaders have done
utterly evil things and we should criticise them as well - many of us
do. And we should give and campaign to support the world's most
disadvantaged people. But <a tabindex="-1"></a>it's irrational to blame
all of the people of one land mass for the actions of a few there, and 2
wrongs don't make a right so the Qatar leadership is deserving of
criticism irrespective of what others have done.</div></div></span><div class="x1ve5b48 x177n6bx x10l6tqk x1ja2u2z xlshs6z" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm xhva3ql x1hc1fzr"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j x1jfb8zj"></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>so are the Qatari citizens making decisions. </i></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>That's
why I call you guys hypocrites. You are quick to distancing yourselves
from the evil of your governments buy you want bundle everyone else ..</i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If we
are to go by the action of your leaders then the West too must not host
the world cup or any world events. Why criticise Qatar and forget to
clean your backyards?</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
the Qatari citizens aren't making the decisions, and we aren't blaming
them. A general problem is that whole countries are often referred to as
single entities, this always happens in discussion of news and history
and I get annoyed by it. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A
difference with events happening here is that there aren't thousands of
deaths *in the process of preparing the events*. But IMO, in all
seriousness, most of the money should be taken from our football
industry and used to help those living in poverty elsewhere in our world
because of the ripple effects of colonialism.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Omg,
stop attacking the country, just focus on your recession, Qataris are
the richest people in the world, mind your own business.</span></i></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">t's everyone's business, it's human exploitation that needs exposing. That Qatar is rich is the very opposite of an excuse.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">They
got offered better opportunities than they had in their countries, why
don’t you criticise their cor</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why
do you think that they're home countries are more corrupt? They're
poorer because they don't have as much oil as Qatar, that doesn't mean
that that they're necessarily as corrupt. It's irrelevant any way,
because 2 wrongs don't make a right, so e even if their home countries
are as corrupt it doesn't make Qatar's leadership any less worthy of
criticism</span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">rupted countries instead? At the end of the
day, they are having better wages</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2022/11/20/bbc-blasted-not-screening-world-cup-opening-ceremony/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2w7FSmpqrmrgS7BexpTm8fC1si22998LFGefePu8VyXHqZMQd3SIszuFE#Echobox=1668980203" target="_blank">BBC blasted for not screening World Cup opening ceremony on TV </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Ridiculous,
they made the whole thing political. Completely took the fun away What a
shame for the millions of families and children that had too put up
with Gary linekers bias opinions . We are just as bad as oppressive
regimes telling people what they can watch with this lefty censorship...</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Y<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ou
think it's "bias" to oppose labourers being worked to death? You're
more worried about "families and children" not seeing a particular
parade on broadcast TV (I'll bet it's available to watch online anyway)
than about families and children who've lost loved
ones? You think that not seeing a ceremony on broadcast TV is "just as
bad" as being imprisoned (as political dissidents in oppressive regimes
are)?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid02aVgT4Ujq124L7szUR7jsmnZQ4YpkHjoyJA5UyMdsq5ojy2GoSRo5oaFVe1Teg74El?comment_id=1286469992117964" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">GBeebies - ‘It’s another woke fad of self harm.’ panel discuss the Daily Express front page: FIFA boss defends Qatar over human rights record.</div></div></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
the opposite of woke by definition, but this channel is completely
obsessed with making itself look stupid by misusing the word</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjacobin.com%2F2022%2F11%2Fben-shapiro-gay-marriage-equality-family-support%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3qYVppT-I5nsqGBP0l1Oih53JjhVvAlAEGSrDlLeIQ_Vk6hyqATF8ZrzQ&h=AT2sh1gd_RPCvm-oTk8-7tVq8sO_EVGaLxTwlw62mvTeeZ0_cLmLepqxhIT1nYxOaafrzO34uzth4XX_xQpElNEANXZFs-WqSibGuobpJy7TxJ4p5htXWLJdh6bL4LlwStOR&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0TcsHI7YUID4Jofe6YtGK44mGVoqWPokB7ecJA7GH31U_DccKm6tcnaYEt6FM8yMJIBruUiKIMpCvmraiaYAHhRrQPYyCuBIAr81FHKF3yQkIphminTnweCT8dlrnKt0DY5Mg6SbntjrYeyYNgzjuNnNzKqiGJr2YyI93NQjoeM3lrHQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Ben Shapiro absurdly says that the Left supports gay marriage to undermine families</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Indeed
this is a daft thing for him to say - but I also find it annoying how
he constantly refers to anything he disagrees with as "the Left" and
ignorantly presumes that everyone anywhere on the Left agrees about
everything. He, like some others in the media (particularly GBeebies
here in Britain) find the most controversial examples they can of
progressivism, particularly things relating to the LGBT community, and
labels it as "the Left", knowing his followers will be angry and then be
less willing to listen to ideas about fairer wealth distribution or
public services because "the Left" (whilst also scapegoating all LGBT
people)</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbnews.uk%2Fpolitics%2Fi-wish-i-could-stop-it-jess-phillips-admits-she-will-live-with-eating-disorder-for-rest-of-her-life%2F392878%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2_-JJdSF5Oxpj6RTXeMREncC-2AE_nMri2Xi62PwqmeuC5X13FQ47PKhU&h=AT2Lpkmxs9JrCsQD2Cjadpxv9ku_KQ3qFX_FBFdSmnrLD_III2LubcSF_34LG4NMPIbTwqPOV0a6ySl-0wp2Z_5jGCns2CHN2kFMdC83onmAwbpkAiXanPugbumEHz-QFWLs&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2e-O79GUdGVndmEjmEZLoJVMdH_oaHV5b7_qyihBm-Lg4pVO6nI4RZ8dB1fuzyzmQ93pGeCtpXqrWKItqd-DZGeUOgLg8dStNuOdM2RwKlue00-VMMTovi4oXLKGYLz9R85QygWytHI0Ti8tHfJ4lvgS6J-NV7-WA8Qpa8hRH7c4BPfg" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Jess Phillips admits she will live with eating disorder for rest of her life</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What a marvellous piece of evidence that most GBeebies fans are lacking basic empathy this post is</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>she didn't felt empathy for the vulnerable british girls being raped and used like rag dolls by the filth of a certain religion.</i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Couldn't give a rat about this vile human.</i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">A</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ccording
to what evidence? Do tell, I see certain Right wingers talking about
this constantly yet have never seen any evidence for their assertions.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">in order for you to trool this page on daily basis, you must have an empty sad life.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
follow media outlets across the spectrum so that I can see different
perspectives, understand other people better and avoid echo chambers -
do you not?<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm so sorry that you think a person can't have time in their life for (following <a tabindex="-1"></a>current affairs on) Facebook, and also many other things (do you want me to detail my life?) - that is sad.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
see that you've no evidence to present supporting your assertion that
Jess Phillips doesn't care about abuse victims, so thankyou for clearing
that up.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbnews.uk%2Fpolitics%2Frishi-sunak-says-more-criminals-should-be-jailed-as-part-of-crackdown-on-crime%2F393288%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR129ultBGlwcO_ajIxZ3-4-yaAiA-XGGD4DL0LVNeF-DLPlg-Uz3t-Mwn4&h=AT0EiddDgz--gmrpaKtplLBdYXPxhvW0ULzNptrnVdT-wkgbcG98xbojAMYzbkTBbzUcI1m9505sOSQpAlEMqBl1Nd5IkOZjf5j2X5cnwF6UOrFZ2BrDXQ_MefpHMxa_bM5Y&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3vXsWrtsQ2FdG82xBx6La8yrTacznZr-A9FF5uUnvq8BtSKhb-soO7MdYACIJmQQJA4ePOIxvD-mvCzaUA60j6UXdmtLu9ZIbDcKgwpeqw6pMIx1I3ZVmycKwPg5zDyEEbaqMmLsNO_HgxX_qJavWyJcsKk5y08pnPkIhtIRsVRfYboQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Rishi Sunak says more criminals should be jailed as part of crackdown on crime</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">In
theory maybe, but in reality it costs the tax payer a lot to keep
someone in jail, so IMO most who aren't dangerous should have massive
fines and community sentence orders instead. And being in jail can
contribute to the likelihood of reoffending, meaning more crime victims -
Sunak needs to look at data as to what's most effective for actually
reducing crime rather than trying to appeal to public anger.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F11%2F18%2Fkeir-starmer-says-remarkable-long-term-sick-numbers-show-tory%2F%3Futm_content%3Dtelegraph%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR03o6016eyx8YaVz1nEPgxq9Y65mB6zXSdBSJHzDss97HwjwGsDhNkOL2I%23Echobox%3D1668808389&h=AT0SbghG-HBmrihT4OzL2MY-9sG6FZjWAP3k9WibWfroyI-mnMnD04j5pQWFTw3zmjtoLq-CR0MfUsh_E-WWkpw7ghuDtgpdo4S0PvRkqicj78xu6zp3WCi3IWlurVPj3NVf&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1sXdtOvc2hYEdSQ-_vtbJxkOEv3sYVqFwlSm1F1Mh7nk8N1RVPsuUUwWqfHfs4MR4yLFcXGd01xcyM9-EgLUol-JFpPbMnKzfhNkejttMQc7YYvqDP2TpFI1xE_sFMjO06G7geBOEKUkTTxnBo2ubEqehJXjnvxnXJGgGR51MNmJ2ifUWQ" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Starmer would get to grips with long-term sick numbers and get people back to work – Tory failure “costing our economy”</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">My
experience is that the supposed systems for getting those of us with
difficulties into work have been useless. The DWP should pair people up
with roles we can do well in spite of disabilities - which can be
difficult to find on jobs sites - it seems that it's failing to do that
right now (though some of the people I've met who work in it are lovely
people).</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/opinion/keir-starmer-train-own-healthcare-workers-labour-ukip-lite-1956819?utm_term=Autofeed&ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2-Y_q3ncHMqtVQQPeBHSraSrfswwCjdFm0T0OmSMyHqN2QYDR31Al3AsI#Echobox=1667904324" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Keir Starmer says we must train ‘our own’ healthcare workers – is Labour now Ukip lite?</span></a></div></span></span>Sorry,
but I'm still slightly confused about the angger over this - isn't it right that
employers should pay people well enough rather than using people from
elsewhere because they'll work for lower salaries? It's not the same as
saying that we should take in fewer refugees, *that* would be
outrageous. IMO we need to also think more about the rest of the world -
is it not wrong to be, for instance, actively reducing the number of
nurses in countries where healthcare provision is far less here?<div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I presume I'm missing something (?)....</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=685553122939186&set=a.368942117933623&__cft__[0]=AZW3rGSEAgJrpEtUTrGsQWf3sJwqx3LQpgYmutqT1he_FVvK1Oe0v3Oxeb5_18mwGTywCCJaUtb7Z65XPZnYIZmFjkNILx7VpNu1X-NEutESyZCZlImG7L6EUBDdmYGjqba89OJUJMcev4KeYLzKsdCc&__tn__=EH-R" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Macron calls for a “single global order”</span></a></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
Bible specifically tells us that it's not Earthly powers and
principalities we're at war with, I don't get why so many Christians are
worrying about this conspiracy</span></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs x126k92a"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcbsn.ws%2F3AtlrSl%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR03tdnSLhCZ7WXtNLZd3CB285ogiU-4KkNkj7_8fTEqM36fgqPKFjsbZ-A&h=AT2HjFzuol6fJdAdbC4BXoKpfVYeQpN0BhYC4ZwbTIgwyeZ88l_dSAOHFJ3hgEpoyL5fDVmf13mLlK1gYfk43o8OUJKwRKedBegjSo1zIM1fERuarvCbK-MLHj8SdinvKPo3&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1NWhwWEs_RH1eRycMJMOmhMC0OCTD8G9CJxCW2DWeSHkBmhSl6WOH6lfJLEZUExo9bkgjnxNfyidnCWub7vfN8xx03MMJEb33JNghRsvwAnyeBfetVeQuWhIRcQmiCyMMs7wvSdFb6RFPdZW7hXQtC4PYb1ItcIstbxVYUxokHEQyWkw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">T</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">hose who identify as highly religious are less likely to be as concerned about the climate</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What's
meant by "highly religious"? The Bible repeatedly commands us to care
for the poor, specifically including those from elsewhere (in contrast
to sentiments at the time), so we absolutely must oppose climate change
as it's harming and threatening the world's poorest people.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fdonald-trump-may-look-finished-but-dont-bet-on-it-gq38f0dlz%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2jRUCwTJkNOLI-Iybt4tICESl59O29PEUS7VWi6uRDh4XXY4ESOXMIYu0%23Echobox%3D1668722999&h=AT3ynOxggG2GJMVmlDDawrGn3ndiqc2bROfDYIoCbTQy_WRECM46aM5yKLj9RjcHNjSghTnKMBC5C6pjSeQjZJXKPiioSzjCRBF86AkG0DxddW9rT0Gi07UbaH-Nx5I43o-A&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1MXzC4wsmaQpgz8dj9jVTp7gedURfqAro6kWbaCiUD_hzTm7u1MRpAMMFJkv20_-qforRaTLaQxRi8ST72D5ILx-fSGFiMt0cokuGgEg3uNJ3h9CwDN8O2bVPaT6WmPGIARHE_aUvjRDyAuzWdhJCSCxqH2FwKyjk4blNoH6Of7nQ1Emc" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Trump is being underestimated</span></a> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">He
said that, under his rule, there'd been no wars for "decades and
decades". And he blames China for losing in 2020. He still doesn't grasp
climate change. And so much more of what he said made no sense.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
find it particularly odd that some Americans who *claim* to be
Christian are massive Trump fans, when his attitudes are always entirely
the opposite of what Jesus taught.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">for example?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">An
example of what? Trump defying Jesus' teaching? Jesus told us to love
our enemies, Trump just makes angry, childish remarks. Jesus taught us
to be humble, Trump brags obsessively. Jesus said that we should love
our neighbours from <a tabindex="-1"></a>elsewhere, Trump demonises people fleeing gang warfare in Central America and tears their families apart.</span> <br /></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">bit hypocritical when Biden is funding Ukraine to fight an enemy</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">F<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">unding
a country to defend itself against a nutter who's slaughtering
civilians is not the same as Trump obsessively making petty remarks
about critics and opponents because his pride is hurt.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you said "jesus told us to love our enemy" make your mind up, either love putin or you don't even follow what jesus says</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">L</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">oving Putin does not mean allowing him to massacre civilians. That wouldn't be loving to them.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You judgmental fool. What do you mean people who 'CLAIM' to be a Christian.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You are not only judgemental, you are also ignorant. For Christians as well, Jerusalem is also the eternal capital of Israel.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's
interesting. You've told me off for supposedly judging and being
ignorant, yet at the same time you've called me a fool, and ignored
Jesus teaching not to do so. And you still haven't answered the
questions.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What do you mean by "judging"? </span>What I mean is what <a tabindex="-1"></a>I
wrote, people who claim to be Christian. Anyone can claim to be
anything. Stating that they claim it doesn't mean that I believe that
all of them are wrong to do so, but also claiming to be something does
not mean that one actually is what they've claimed - whether or not a
person is something depends on the definition of the term. A Christian
is a person who is genuinely committed to (and desiring to) follow
Christ, yet our society has long misused the word for cultural reasons.
Jesus repeatedly stated that some people who assert they're religious,
or who in the future would claim to be in Him, are wrong. Jesus also
said that we can understand things/people by their fruit - the
words/attitudes of Trump show a clear lack of the fruits of the spirit,
so I would expect those keen to follow Jesus' teaching to understand him
as such rather than idolising him as some do.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/11/uk-environment-minister-zac-goldsmith-climate-wokeness-stupid-cop27/?fbclid=IwAR3hYA6Bf1Ny0i6EQABvvIqXzPzyaAk7quMnqaZ6vdPwIOh-5SqFSypRS9A" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">UK Environment Minister Slams Conservative Attacks on Climate “Wokeness”; Being concerned about our rapidly warming planet is not "woke."</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Note
that he is a member of the Conservative party, which is why I voted
against him when he ran for mayor a few years ago. Obviously it's great
that he's criticising climate change deniers, but the stupid misuse of
"woke" needs criticising too. Woke refers to
awareness. If people want to criticise other statements /ideas by
certain progressives, they should use sensible vocabulary.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">your conservatives are equal to our liberals in the US</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
think that depends on which of them you're talking about. They each -
like every one - have their own sets of views. Our Home Secretary
recently referred to migrants as "an invasion".</span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">they
don't seem to be as crazy as our magats, House Freedom Causus, Election
Deniers, Evangelical Christian taliban who want to turn our country
into The Handmaid's Tale. </div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I was told by a woman who was born and grew up in Germany that their conservative party was equal to Bernie Sanders.</div></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"evangelical"
is an entirely misused word on your side of the pond (as is "Christian"
to some extent though it seems that some people are aware of its
misuse). I find it personally very frustrating.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">IMO, Britain has a tradition of <a tabindex="-1"></a>restraint
that contributes to many people in power coming across as
well-mannered, it can mask the damage that they actually do. America has
a very different history, and rebelling - not wrongly - is foundational
to the USA's existence.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It’s changed. They are now in lock step with American Republicans. Brexit changed everything.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
think Brexit has given racists confidence. But certain parts of the
media have contributed too. I'm worried that GBeebies and TalkTV, for
instance, are having an impact.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/news/world/suella-braverman-obsessed-migrants-new-deal-hardly-worth-praising-french-say-1970653?ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3RYpiuN3JmsZNeNQvzy-QmamQWE61kNCeFF9pUjH2mFz967vNVs2J-Wc4#Echobox=1668454680" target="_blank">From France’s perspective, the real migration crisis lies elsewhere </a><br /></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
ironic that it's referred to as a "crisis", when the actual crises are
the situations that some of these people are fleeing (not all of them, I
know) </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The government
should have decent, cost-efficient facilities for them, and far faster
processing to determine which are fleeing horrendous poverty or
conflict, as well as to direct people to jobs and therapy when required.
And the government needs to stop using Overseas Aid to fund this, it
must be funded separately.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">to deport</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">G</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">iven
your surname, you clearly came here or have family who did - why,
according to *your* logic, should you be here whilst others should all
"be deported"?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">and
here back on planet earth, what about the jobless and homeless that we
already have in the UK?? There isn't much poverty or conflict in
Albania!!!!</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The majority don't come from Albania. (But why do you think there isn't poverty there?)<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There's a need for agricultural workers here, food is rotting in fields.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">well
depends what economic country you are referring between!!! Just because
a person can't afford a new IPhone doesn't make them poor!!! As for
working in the fields why don't the young of the UK do it, or is it
below their selfish worth??</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Good
grief, when did I say that someone is poor if they can't afford a new
iPhone? This stupid publication was moaning recently about people not
having holidays or meals out, I believe strongly in frugality. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> I don't know enough about why <a tabindex="-1"></a>people
here don't work in fields, but that doesn't change the fact that there
are many migrants willing to do it. Many people don't live near enough,
and won't move because it would be unaffordable, impractical and too
grim to move away from family - whereas migrants can more easily go
anywhere. Ultimately if migrants take their earnings home with them,
they can buy them a decent standard of living, whereas here the amount
isn't enough for a young person to keep a roof over their head.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">so
you want to use the migrants as slave labour because they'll live
anywhere, unlike kids in the UK who want to live off mommy and daddy!</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o(?)
As I explained, the salaries are worth more to them, are you not able
to understand that? Young people are not simply "living off mommy and
daddy" (mommy? This is Britain not America), house prices are now many
times more in relation to salaries than they were, intergenerational
living makes sense (better to pay rent to parents and do chores than to
line landlords' pockets) - but it's not just about living in the same
house as parents, living near family and friends is important.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/nov/13/skinniness-is-back-in-fashion-but-did-it-ever-really-go-away?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1yrrZP3_dVxgklJg06aO9l7qLvzjoH2VEFAgXCybhh7t2adKqFInvEQCA#Echobox=1668330537" target="_blank">Skinniness is back in fashion, but did it ever really go away?</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Please stop using the word ‘skinny’. It’s incredibly offensive.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hy is it offensive?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>It’s usually used as a criticism, or an insult. It’s never complimentary</i> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've certainly heard it used positively. And clearly it's an attribute that's largely considered good in our culture.</span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>to be honest, I’ve never had it used in a positive way towards me </i><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>It means ‘emaciated’, and I really don’t think that’s culturally good, for anyone </i></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I think
it’s easy to forget that people often speak from their own lived
experiences when commenting on threads such as these, and for a lot of
people, it feels offensive</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm sorry that you've felt offended. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Of
course it's not "good" that the standard is such, but it is used as a
compliment, and an aspiration. Some of us have felt such a need to be
skinny we've almost killed ourselves in the process (and have seen
others die).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://care.org.uk/news/2022/11/sustainability-without-sensationalism?fbclid=IwAR2xalvI-sMMLBm5AoT0KB0qZLGZ33HK1xDvis8UBrC6d2lb5AXEZAeE8_k" target="_blank">Sustainability without sensationalism - <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">how should we respond to claims of a climate emergency as Christians?</span></a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
issue is not the threat to ourselves, nor protecting general creation,
it's that other human beings are suffering immensely. The OT, the words
of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit make us want to help them.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I would say, look much closer at the computer modelling. </i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
numbers are a fabrication based entirely on highly selective data. In
1952 the earth was home to 2.7 Billion people. In 2022 it is home to 8
billion people. This is the single biggest pressure on earth but again and again remains the one that the tree huggers consistently fail to highlight. </i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">B</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ut
human beings are the whole point point of the planet. But tree huggers
do recognise population size, and have fewer children. The Global
population is forecast to peak later this century and then decline, as
access to contraception becomes ubiquitous.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-more-nhs-workers-being-balloted-for-strike-action-unite-union-says-12746213?fbclid=IwAR2hHJT_ApHpJy9YikpxGAK-pY2r_cfZ4fffRtjyV0V4Q99IB8qKgD5lyqA" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Thousands more NHS workers being balloted for strike action, Unite union says</span></a><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Some
doctors and NHS bosses get 6 figure salaries. Surely they should be
paid less so that nurses - who now have to do various tasks that were
previously done by doctors - and carers can receive more than they do
now?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Also, agencies and
private healthcare should be restricted, they shouldn't be allowed to
steal NHS staff or to charge the NHS so much.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2022-11-14/elderly-patient-dies-in-busy-emergency-department-awaiting-admission?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1GGHTQHb3rVuP4pse2DUX2uG5WM0ePlzyI4UKzaNxiEe0wiBXXN7qsqKE#Echobox=1668453341" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Elderly patient dies in emergency department awaiting admission</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">So
sad for the family.but this is getting worse the more people they let
in to this country the more of us will die.we need to start looking
after our own now it's ridiculous</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How many of them are in hospitals? They fitter and healthier than many Brits. And plenty of migrants work hard in our services.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What's
changed is there are far more elderly people, and inadequate systems
for supporting them. There's also more obesity contributing to various
illnesses</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/food/tiktok-star-reveals-how-you-can-feed-your-family-for-1-a-head-367251?fbclid=IwAR1z9v__iJoA45bP6J9D8KpidGadt8Zd67LFHAx2IwnJbx7nRhCSjnwT_SU" target="_blank">TikTok star reveals how you can feed your family for £1 a head </a><br /></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Who
didn't know that pasta and potatoes are cheap? There are plenty of
meals that can be made for £1 per serving or less - the issue, IMO, is
that some people have horrendous housing costs.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">NB,
one can fund many meals for £1 for a person elsewhere in the world
who's literally starving (who don't have food banks etc), I think that's
an exciting deal </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://jacobin.com/2021/01/censorship-big-tech-facebook-twitter?fbclid=IwAR1ZGywx9BcafGc-qsfgkTzTM2HhFFR5yBP8Yc4bBuW9-wl6qibIXne3Lb0" target="_blank">The Left Should Oppose Censorship by Big Tech Companies </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">MO
What's needed is an accurate and effective process for determining what
is actually harmful as opposed to simply being potentially offensive.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">that’s censorship</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">S<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ure,
but censorship of certain material could be necessary to, for instance,
prevent terrorism. That's why there needs to be a good system in place
for working out what's genuinely dangerous</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">that’s
already in place to certain degree… But we’ve gone way too far at this
point, and continuing along this trend will be dangerous territory</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
absolutely get the concern, though I feel we've seen more actual danger
from forces that have used the internet and not been censored. The
Capitol riots, ISIS and various other terrorists - as well as
misinformation about medicine - demonstrate how real harm, fuelled online*, can be done. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">(*Obviously I'm not opposed to the internet itself)</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Still allows bias. Who gets to decide?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">E</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">xperts
who are trained in making the distinction? We know that the Internet
has been used to radicalise terrorists, and to push people to suicide -
some things aren't simply a matter of free speech</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbylinetimes.com%2F2022%2F11%2F16%2Fwhose-opera-is-it-anyway%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1qRTSZXiYYMMzTaLRpcc5UhSMVQiAGHiUXgC2ljjwd6ujWzm9WXON3OMY&h=AT0Yc3ricYZS9-EJtmCRXcR4CT0siOX08Jgv_6U6nNcY6WU-Zf8yUytOX2KPvvE-JeHOdA4TMS0AdvmFNtRR3rP3jt2zVMofjKDU1jXhF2z7My87B_ogsZaryU_tvlOMHnMC&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2XDpLfar25ZUwobsRE0bSsnOYp5Xyo_MxswEST_akHVT_3slVG3KrQTbix-YlcCE1MmjW55B13e-SgvhKa1RElzvJIcHYYao4oFRO7-ECOOZpVbeRdRojSl3shLAhhD6cT1mnXclrdBidcoYCljhgpr5tV65YwY1Uq_ZJmNYeeHiFWBSA" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Art Council England redistributing £50 million of funding for the English National Opera outside of London</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">No public money should be spent on things like this.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">on things like what?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">L</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ive entertainment of any genre<br /></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Nonsense.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hy?
It's money taken largely from working people who aren't benefitting. It
should be spent on the NHS (or better still, IMO, on overseas Aid -
people are starg to death, how could we think that live entertainment is
more important). It could even be spent on
increasing access to entertainment and culture for lots of people by
building broadband infrastructure more quickly. In reality it's a
stupidly inefficient use of money - £195 of tax payer's money is spent
for *each* opera goer, that's far more than a whole year of the TV
license for a household (or, in relation to Aid, more than enough to
feed a starving child for the year), going on one evening out that
mostly only rich people take advantage of.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">how
odd. Live entertainment (whether or not you think Grand Opera is a wise
way to spend the money) has sustained people and societies for
centuries. Get over yourself.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
previous centuries people didn't have television and the Internet. We
have an endless array of culture and entertainment and culture without
the need for live entertainment. But if people want to go to it, they
should pay, not the tax payer.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Are you honestly saying we need live entertainment to "sustain" ourselves?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">who
do you think creates tv programmes? It’s people who learned their craft
through performing live. Stop talking about something you you have no
experience of - you’re making a fool of yourself.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">People create TV having *studied* the arts. Opera *performances*, costing the tax payer £200per ticket, are not required.</div></div></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><img alt="May be an image of 2 people" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="540" src="https://scontent.flhr10-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/314318682_503158478522790_2797079119354864887_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p180x540&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8BEKkVyhU8QAX_mL2OZ&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-2.fna&oh=00_AfA1884sdNBL-cJi4Hut71rMWkueKEpcU7L8WfvS_JiP8w&oe=6380696C" width="509" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
why don't we talk more about the lasting ripple effects in those
countries? It's obviously right that we call for compassion for migrants
/refugees but we're largely ignoring the world's very poorest people
(many of whom are in former European <a tabindex="-1"></a>colonies,
including British). And Western banks and corporations are continuing to
exploit less wealthy countries, colonialism 2.0.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">And what are you doing for them?</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Not
enough, it's hard to know what I can do on my own. I'm constantly
trying to find opportunities to talk about Global poverty on LBC and
such like; obviously I contact my MP (who replies in detail) regularly
and sometimes the government (but I doubt the latter reads - nor has
staff read - messages from the public at all); and of course I sign and
share petitions etc (but I don't imagine that does much). I have sponsor
children and another direct debit to an overseas Aid organisation, and I
make random additional, larger donations (saving these for when there
are matching opportunities) - I'm eager to donate more but have been
struggling with getting much work due to health issues (obviously I live
as cheaply as I can, generally avoiding spending on myself aside from
supermarket food - no takeaways, restaurants, socialising, holidays,
memberships etc - and getting what I wear, as well as other things like
my phone, from Oxfam). I'm packing boxes of gifts ATM to go to kids in
developing countries, so my room looks like a warehouse <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😂" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/td0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /></span> Previously I undertook various fundraising activities, but it became increasingly difficult to be effective.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do you have any suggestions?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>P<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">erhaps if you grasped what was written . It is about Britain , and should include the U.S. invading these countries.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">W</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat have I failed to grasp?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Your
comment was to imply that we must look after ourselves , and former
colonies ... we have all been victims of
Globalism , Colonialism , but while this is true , we have also had to
pay for the west to illegally invade and rape these
other countries . We are victims . While my father was a holocaust
survivor , my mothers side are MacRaighnaill`s . The first of the Irish
clans to be chased off their lands by the English . We are from the
north of Ireland , Armagh. The Irish know full well about Colonialism .
As a class , because it is a class war that has been waged against us
for many many years</span></i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No,
my comment was absolutely not to imply that we must look after
ourselves. My comment was that general in our cultute/politics/media, we
(Inc on the Left) pay far too little attention to the very most
disadvantaged people. I'm honestly still not clear what point you're trying to make, I never disputed class injustice, imperialism by the US etc.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
so sorry that your family experienced those horrors. But surely you
aren't suggesting that you having that in your family history is similar
to people right now starving to death(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.joe.co.uk/news/man-who-egged-king-charles-is-banned-from-carrying-eggs-in-public-366747?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=JOE.co.uk&utm_campaign=feed&fbclid=IwAR1ZMX3DMsgifek6wBm5hrLJ-ETugUAWRs24SjyUwXSzNg7YVcoYr5ZKbJ4" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Man who egged King Charles is banned from carrying eggs in public</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
agree with him that our country's history of involvement with slavery
is a massive issue, but throwing eggs won't help. Money made through
slavery should be traced and donated to organisations fighting modern
slavery, but egg throwing won't win anyone over.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">totally agree, let's start with the royal family</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">C</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">ertainly.
Though I sometimes wonder if, because they're (the RF) so obvious,
other super rich people and corporations who've benefitted from
injustice don't get enough scrutiny. But I'm finding it flipping odd
seeing so many people <a tabindex="-1"></a>fawning over the monarchy these days.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2F2022-11-09%2Fabuse-of-migrant-workers-in-qatar-alleged-ahead-of-world-cup%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1diIRRjjPv60j8HEILXLcAKQCdpOUw6ez3xd0h9RWufxJ1IiAs7JkrvY0%23Echobox%3D1668029522&h=AT0x-uREI5uHUNmeu82eBlfuWZcSTllcojhhLGndFlpjCMV8qG1iBi19zsT2jW3c_FbYbFZSZaUNFQZqhwOJXLjVy3OR9kcU2gk-emC-QboIKIyUz1a0XoJonn3RMXiBDVho&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2eQNAoeHuchf0eAgd0jdbOLB2tvpENedl3Ew8D5uivARpWcRtL-Dzg4PuCCqIRYVk7nmRy0ksiklJjRhv-uoZIxNOI11EDwCGKvXxh8JkUETNO-ai0ElU-kVZNXTF9mY52OxrlwHEbt2-_MXOPL1fanpLdcYRd57epUluxVNO0_Pf6ZirP" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">FIFA and Qatar - widespread abuse of migrant workers helping to build the country’s stadia</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There's
not been enough coverage of this. It's as though our society thinks
that restrictions on sex* are worse than people being forced to labour
to death.<div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">*(I am of
course not condoning Qatar's position on this issue at all, just noting
how migrant worker abuse and death have been discussed so much less)</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid034kGafJnLFyyWukWBFSzsuVodM2Ewvm99yCcEa4bLSeKoLsezjE6QsH4VWNFJCub7l?comment_id=1277145869748981&reply_comment_id=1802382890098325" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">P</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">olling suggests only one in five 18 to 24-year-olds have a positive attitude towards Churchill</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Failing
to teach British history would deprive students of appreciating how
many things still in use today that we invented and discovered.. I give
you Steohenson, Newton, Bacon, Parsons, Hawking, Turing, whittle and the
holy bible of engineers Brunel and that's just the tip of the iceberg.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">t's
because of knowing more about history that people dislike Churchill.
What on Earth do you mean by "the holy bible of engineers"?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">exactly
that, Brunel was arguably the greatest and most dedicated engineer
ever. His projects spanned tunnelling, marine vessels and railways with
their supporting infrastructure. </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">you don't know much about Churchill do you?</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"the
holy Bible of"??? Are you unaware that The Bible is a book (or
collection of books/texts and the word of God for those of us who are
Christian)<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What exactly is your point RE Churchill?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Would you have preferred Hitler win the war?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">O<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">f
course not, but why are you presuming that he would have? The war
wasn't won by Churchill, it was won by valiant people giving their lives
to fight and by pioneers like Turing. Churchill had views very much
like Hitler's, and millions of people starved to death as a result. If
Churchill had been so crucial in winning the war the British population
wouldn't have voted him out straight afterwards.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If
bombs were being dropped on your families heads from a foreign land
would you have supported the man put into power the rally against it
happening? Or maybe you would have just criticized the man? You weren't
around at that time were you! Churchill lost his next election because of socialists like yourself but won the next election didn't he!..</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I</span>f
I were alive in the war, I'd have done what I could irrespective of the
PM. Wanting Hitler defeated (or, today, being glad that he was
defeated) doesn't mean that one needs to venerate Churchill.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Simply saying "socialists" doesn't address <a tabindex="-1"></a>the reality that those people who had far more understanding of the war than you or I didn't see him as a great heroic leader.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">You weren't though were you. Pure arrogance</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat
I wasn't there doesn't change what I said, that venerating Churchill is
not necessary. And it's not "arrogance", I haven't claimed anything
good about myself - you *asked* what I'd do, it's hilarious that you'd
then respond to my answer as you have.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Do
you realise that socialists were also considered the enemy during WW2
who were responsible for attacking many British manufacturers including
steel and many others! I bet you would have also been one of those
traitors with your warped thinking! Britain would have lost the war without the great Winston Churchill.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
are you talking about socialists? How are you even defining socialists?
You seem to presume I am one, but I never said that. And are you
unaware that the Red army was massively helpful in defeating Hitler? <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What is "warped" about "my <a tabindex="-1"></a>thinking", and what evidence do you have that I'd "be a traitor"? You're plainly just making things up.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/nov/08/im-25-and-wont-have-sex-until-im-married-why-cant-i-get-a-man?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR09cKhPoalHxut2QlomTcEojlfcYr9PhcNoRzD8GA0xjU8cnhlF8YjMSYk#Echobox=1667917312" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I’m 25 and won’t have sex until I’m married. Why can’t I get a man?</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Good
for her, seriously. If blokes won't wait they're - for her at least -
not worth it. Contrary to cultural presumptions, sex isn't necessary for
enjoying life, so there's no problem with her waiting. Let's stop
feeding the lie that men are entitled to women's bodies.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2022%2Fnov%2F04%2Ftwitter-layoffs-elon-musk-revenue-drop%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0TjgosV-K9F9KwjkSsj0Mx-ZoHUO7ZwzWq_xkhCujKmkD3IQpcWjEXHJQ%23Echobox%3D1667578282&h=AT0aFsBEGzBXHxe8Rp81m2iAqBLaN6Y9Rg4sR2TydJ2yzBG_M4tlt2K8GmszVqr6C2sIufHCKx5kklimbKCWhuzNkmTAfZYAH7J2FmD4YvqlpdGV4IwiJerDhHQLUfpLudZg&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1vTWshe5U8wyA54jG0Ea_O4eAiON3ekpU3iIlx68JgTAwAjJYkCaEWKIJwPPx_AeOts0ZwcstDIB7A4fKDy1VIjmriX9hVkE6DQXjKybPI8IbgkkWk4CsBIc7_lEiTa1oadZVgPQBgTmpXEqG1xsJv4bkJlagAHmf6MTmYiBYb042RJIZ2" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Twitter sees sudden mass layoffs as Elon Musk admits ‘massive drop’ in revenue</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">He
had said that he might use the money he has to fight world hunger - and
there are people in our world right now literally starving to death,
which is indescribably torturous - instead he's making people jobless
and threatening to reduce everyone's ability to know what's true.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">lol
you live in the developed world and if you're earning about 30-4 K a
year that puts you on the top 10% by world standards and I'll bet you're
not sacrificing a big portion of your privilege to help the food
distribution problem.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
not earning anywhere near 30k. And I do spend a significant % of my
income on helping people in the poorest countries, do you need me to go
into detail about my finances?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JonathonAVanMaren/posts/pfbid028j8cgGQ3UKyXuyzu81CKq39JrmTEg9GrXQyfKzvHCND7Hunnxek4nDdBK9VNJ5q9l?comment_id=682242796506697" target="_blank">Anne Hathaway - "Abortion can be another word for mercy"</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Has
she not just admitted that the norms instilled by the sexual revolution
are wrong? "Mercy" (which is not a reasonable description of abortion)
is only needed when an immoral or mistaken action has been carried out.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><img alt="May be an image of 1 person, standing and text that says "The 1993 hit "Mrs. Doubtfire, was the third- highest-grossing movie released that year- after only "Jurassic Park" and "The Fugitive." We ALL grew grew up watching Drao Shows!! ENOUGH with the fake outrage. 回 ж4a"" class="x1ey2m1c xds687c x5yr21d x10l6tqk x17qophe x13vifvy xh8yej3 xl1xv1r" height="526" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/314234351_524187956421035_1736154777624995605_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=kt7JMZFhcLcAX94Lcc0&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AfBxgvKXgrvhYsCoJmaNIZkUeRrHRLT8wFlnMs45TxOpCA&oe=636B6488" width="526" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's not the same, and you know it.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">100% the same your irrational fear of people that are different than you is not letting you see that though</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What about my comment indicates *fear*? Are you prejudging?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Would
you tell a drag queen that they're 100% the same as Mrs Doubtfire? To
say that things are exactly the same is the opposite of a smart take, it
ignores the nuances and artistry of both. In fact the appearances, aims
and personas are entirely different.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The only similarity is dressing up as women - do you think that all women are "100% the same"?</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">because
anyone who has a problem with people of a different sexualality, race,
religion always comes from a place of a fear. Hemophobia, Racism and any
type of hatred always stems from fear. Hell there are conservatives
that have irrational fears of big cities they have never been to.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span>I've
spent plenty of time arguing with Right wingers who hate my city. But
you've ignored what I've actually written and are instead projecting and
presuming (prejudging... prejudice).<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">All I said initially was that drag and Mrs Doubtfire <a tabindex="-1"></a>aren't
the same, I didn't even say that I "have a problem" with drag. And
objecting to drag is not "having a problem" with people of different
groups, drag isn't an ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation, it's a
subculture or performance art style (one that's entirely unlike a man
wearing facial prosthetics and old clothes to appear as a nanny so that
he can spend time with his children). Drag is a form of entertainment,
and people disliking a form of entertainment are not necessarily afraid.
Personally, I find drag very offensive - it's fairly like Blackface
(though I'm certainly not imagining that as a woman I experience the
oppression that Black folk in the era of Blackface did) - it's a
caricature that's making a joke of women. There's also misogyny in the
culture, such as the use of the the word "fishy", and some grossly
objectifying names and performances that perpetuate the notion that
women are sex objects. Many parents are concerned about the sexual
nature of plenty of drag culture, I don't know why you think that they
shouldn't be able to protect their children from this.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/PeoplesMomentum/posts/pfbid034wqV6rML2xFtvcqoMEjBVzZUjY6yFuntd3HGhsyWga18jqMP9AwEYhF6sYGU14itl?comment_id=1281997022341117&reply_comment_id=1277413566375932" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Jeremy
Corbyn lives "rent free" in Rishi Sunak's head</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">That
the Tories keep bringing up Corbyn shows both how scared they are of
his popularity and opposition to their greed; and that they have no
arguments against Starmer.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm sure the Tories would love him back. Absolute guarantee of winning the next election.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">W<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat are you basing that assertion on?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">His track record. He led the Party to the worst election result for 90 years. 50 Labour MPs lost their seats.</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's
not a good metric. The Tories won a number of seats that was very much
out of proportion with their share of the votes, because of FPTP.
Meanwhile the SNP hoovered up votes that Labour used to win in Scotland,
because of issues like Independence or Brexit, not Corbyn. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
plainly, many people - especially in the Red Wall - voted Tory to get
Brexit out of the way, and or because they like BoJo's clown act.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
the 2017 election (ie, pre BoJo), Corbyn presided over a significant
increase in Labour's vote share, and that 40% share of the votes is much
higher than the 35.2% share that Blair won in his last election (2005).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Polling shows that Corbyn's policies are popular.</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpulse.ly%2F4pnxrtxxry%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3j0Ww4wo2-pnK_9yLRdlSwDcNEHCegjX_Mt0wLIgkvgpj7u5fQ4cNrd78&h=AT3QDD2iDpDl9QlQ8R_hOwQa7seVMu1bcZsan5JlsnTmaHZ3Dbw35IPT__zj776YcbWiTynHLlSvmIYZuKoVIkBoCBTAwUexK1wi9ubo6MzmKtBZrP6ioPAebh1lgkCtC1BM&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT06bl7F56t_F2RR3noZK-OrM50Ver7Y6NSItNvKYDXn_OaKFAXE0je0-mHpJQKDvfUQk4sFKFuWpNNl5XXl73xspNvUj66_f6xOpzUm5EZk9KlyLDyJmQ7b1kcRGGCVxlPwoMDcGGRrIaCUTamS0BC21MAJ6AwNRcoJM5dhImWsX25oap9H" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">"Right
now God has shown me, by what Adidas is doing, and by what the media is
doing… " Kanye West
said</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Since
he's keen to learn from God's guidance, he really ought to take some
time to look at God's views on Jews (that is to say, God loves them and
Jesus was one) and amend his opinions accordingly.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20221102-injustice-is-everywhere-so-what-are-our-moral-duties?ocid=fbfut" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Injustice is everywhere, so what are our moral duties?</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">How
do we define moral responsibilities when we have such different
worldviews? (within the British population that is) I feel instinctively
that we should want to help people elsewhere in the greatest need, and I
believe this all the more because I believe that God created those
people in need and He commands us to help - but many people don't share
these feelings and beliefs.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fmagazine%2Farchive%2F2022%2F12%2Fu2-bono-memoir-surrender%2F671894%2F%3Futm_campaign%3Dthe-atlantic%26utm_content%3Dtrue-anthem%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2zf7bTe4wPxzrWeS3tPMX4AwHmY-7qUDVnOJ4SxvcE7aI-SMjWZsZb6cI&h=AT05uT0W25Ch9unL8IHD1HlFOUrzk3jca_p7uIOeyKE0l2k_2gbiEandQFlbXa2EkksvZKoLzNvZwvQnBImlQHt590WwpTw6T6Le-ND1z7-fTm-TBadiDYHu3lPZ50S4IBiE&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0BvUZ7R-NXlTNJJeQuthg7_Re89PEgC5CCgP77c-2rGpcpNl0SJHOOZ0pQx6khb1unlmdqu8xUqtBKFFh2Xe1MDdo7OhoaexSMHvmyKjHnc7sUSEguzNheLtKEmqc2vFlBBLTh2HteruRTgURHghk4zx8v23oELukSXI68b1ps_RoQ6Tt0" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">RE Bono - </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">"How
do you reconcile the humility of faith with the egotism of
superstardom?"</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Good question - but obviously the answer is that one can't, other than with God. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1iorvi4 xjkvuk6 x1lliihq"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Though
surely it applies to various public figures? IMO, though scripture says
that we still struggle with sin after choosing to follow Jesus, the
extent of boasting from certain celebrities who are supposedly Christian
makes me wonder if they really are (though obviously, it's none of my
business)</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Talent doesn't arrive in a rubber boat! Get a grip!</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What
exactly are you basing that assertion on? Why do you think that the
human beings you refer to are different from other human beings?</span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">for
a start almost all of them follow a 3rd world religious cult that puts
women and children in danger here, anyone educated wanting to truly
enter this country will do it legally via the correct channels and not
fund organised crime/terrorism.</span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
doesn't answer the question at all. Being born into an Islamic country
doesn't mean that human beings are fundamentally intrinsically different
and thus less statistically likely to have talent. And plainly, people
interpret the <a tabindex="-1"></a>religion they're born into
differently, hence, for example, protests in Iran ATM. Human beings are
individuals with our own sets of views and values, people are not all
the same as those they share a country with, as evidenced by arguments
we have here about everything. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And how precisely do people "do it legally"?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">my
unit served in both Afghanistan and Iraq I’ve seen the way men behave
and treat women and children(boys & girls) and we have plenty of
evidence of the way they have carried on their behaviour toward white
girls in the U.K. if they were genuine then they would apply for visas just like every other country in the world does</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Kudos
for your service. But again, you're irrationally lumping all of the
people of a region together, as though everyone in one place thinks and
behaves the same. Human beings do not all do exactly as their
neighbours. I had a non white person moan at me over pedophilia because
they found a large number of white paedophiles when they searched online
- and there are are indeed plenty of white paedophiles, but that
doesn't mean that you or I condone their behaviour nor are to blame for
it.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
pray for all the Ladies that have come out to show interest in becoming
Prime Minister and i send them my support, I also send my respect and
appreciations to Lady Liz for the great work she did as the Prime
Minister</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">What
do you think was great about Liz Truss? NB, the "lady" Braverman said
recently that it's her "DREAM" to see migrants sent to Rwanda - grossly
offensive and to migrants and to Rwanda.</span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I do remember the issues of sending migrants start during Borris Johnson time and not Lady Liz</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Oh
yes, I think he's awful too. I wasn't blaming Liz Truss specifically
for the migration issue, I wondered why you complimented her given the
absolute crises she's caused for our economy - not "great work". My
point about migration was that that Braverman (you expressed support for the "ladies") is plainly a horrible person.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
I personally want DESPERATELY is for my country's leaders to care about
people elsewhere in our world, such as by restoring overseas Aid and
ensuring that it is better regulated so that it all reaches the world's
very poorest people.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/posts/pfbid0v4oJMBASikpk19LpEDU7eEU2D3XECjXzYyhZMptnpqLR79g8gDXiJQt6bQVoZX4jl?comment_id=677204913632758" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">This author is shining a light on the vast problems with fast fashion — here are some tips on how to avoid it altogether</span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/posts/pfbid0v4oJMBASikpk19LpEDU7eEU2D3XECjXzYyhZMptnpqLR79g8gDXiJQt6bQVoZX4jl?comment_id=677204913632758" target="_blank"> </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Great.
But do we need tips? There are more than enough clothes to suit
anyone's taste available in charity shops (or thrift shops on your side
of the pond?) - where money spent also goes to a good cause (I buy from
Oxfam and feel seriously happy knowing that the money will help some of
the world's poorest people) - or on eBay. We need to end the absurd idea
some have that one should buy new clothes frequently, on the basis of
trends/seasons. What some garment workers endure is horrific.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid0rYonKeWTiESKt1wfEHg7DRfrL5qG3B8XJfFQ3ygqFcSRKqZwSkPbd23Cbi4hJHydl?comment_id=669545804586512" target="_blank">"lunacy' GBeebiesMark Dolan on Ed Miliband wanting British taxpayers to pay climate reparations </a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why
exactly do you think that British human beings should have a far higher
standard of living, whilst other human beings suffer hellish droughts,
famines and floods?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/spikedonline/posts/pfbid02r7TRZ7gTsgNgdwAs6qNtAKP6fsV1kSS45J2YorMPi8if6fTSxbzZ1nkgZL8bwvPdl?comment_id=1189511075029723" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">‘Let’s call the “culture wars” what they are: women’s rights, children’s welfare, our national history'</span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">They're
an excuse for conservatives to distract from the economic policies are
making people's lives harder. (though I agree with the traditional
understanding of male/female myself)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
what way are you distracted from economic strife when spiked says that
misogynistic sexual predators should not be granted access to female
only spaces because they lied about being a woman?Exactly. You’re not. Go back to The Guardian.</div></div></span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Have you not seen the countless people stating that they won't vote Labour because it hasn't been firmly gender critical?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Why
would a woman vote for a party whose leader cannot define what a woman
is? And how does that detract from their awareness of their own personal
finances? It doesn’t.</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Because
(and you've really just proven my point) there are infinitely more
important issues. What the government believes about the definition of a
woman has far less impact on most of our lives than issues like
mortgage rates, worker's rights, salaries, public
services etc. Also the Labour Party has very differing views on this
issue within it, and Starmer rightly mentioned biology when last asked
about this. We're never going to agree with all of the positions of any
party, we vote for the one whose positions on the most significant
issues are most in line with ours, refusing to vote Labour on the basis
of this topic whilst things get harder and harder for much of the
population, particularly women, is irrational.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When
the Tories cut Aid, they doomed many thousands of girls to miss out on
education, and many will now be pressured into marriage, even as
teenagers. Don't pretend that the Tories care about women and children.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><p>The Pensions Triple Lock <span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">feels like it puts one age group - an age group who had far more
opportunity to buy a home and thus avoid the housing costs that take up
so much of people's salaries - above others.</span></p> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div><div class="xjkvuk6"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's an oxymoron. Nationalists - such as those who say "America first" - are not striving to emulate Christ.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">If
I want “France first” or “Australia first” policies, I’m not really
seeking the good of my neighbor right next to me, am I? Not very
Christlike.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Oh
wow, this is Sunday school stuff - Jesus taught us that our neighbours
are those who need our help, specifically NOT those "right next to us",
see The Good Samaritan. I wasn't suggesting being “France first” or
“Australia first”, no nation should be "first", we should have concern
for the poor and oppressed - including those from elsewhere - asGod
tells us repeatedly.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I’m
talking about proximity, not tribe. The Good Samaritan was proximally
right next to the man from Jerusalem. Moreover, how would you think of
the Samaritan helping the man from Jerusalem if he had just passed by
three other Samaritans injured on the side of the
road? This is what “America first” means. Not “let other countries
suffer,” but “help the suffering here—the responsibility with which God
has specifically charged our governing officials—first; and certainly
don’t CREATE suffering here in the interest of helping another nation.”</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
the Samaritan *hadn't * walked past others. Jesus never said that it's
about proximity. He shocked His listeners by overturning their strong
view that their fellow Israelites were superior to Samaritans. And in
today's world, we don't need to be proximal to people to care about them, and US foreign policy has a monumental impact on the rest of the world.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I’m
not denying that, but Biblically, government’s God-given responsibility
is to its OWN people, and to neglect/harm its own people in favor of
globalist interests is wicked. If all governments around the world
adhered to that principle, needless wars would be nearly nonexistent.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Biblically"
based on which verses exactly? And I wasn't suggesting "neglect". I
wonder what you mean by "Globalist", or why you think that there'd be
fewer wars if leaders were more nationalist, the opposite is true. And
my comment was not <a tabindex="-1"></a>about leaders in the first place, lots of people are nationalists and it's not their job.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">but
you are emulating Christ so well. Help me understand how voting for
Hilary was more Christian. Under Trump the world economy was doing well.
Good for all of us at the time.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
didn't vote for Hilary, I'm British. But to vote for a politician
simply means thinking they're the least bad option on balance, not that
one agrees with all of their policies - and she plainly is less bad
than Trump. </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">those "Christians" died keeping the nazi's from possessing your country.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That's hilarious. If you believe that they were fighting to defend Europe, they *weren't* just putting themselves first.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It was nationalism that brought about Nazism (and for the record, America was just part of defeating Hitler)</div><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">the
thinking that “America first among nations” excludes “The LORD God
first among gods” is shallow. If you make a list starting with item
number one, how does that seem to imply that all other lists must start
with item number two? Or three? Or some other number?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">You're
both putting words in my mouth and, it appears (?) ignoring the crucial
reality that all sorts of things can be false gods. I've seen plenty of
people treating their American identity like a religion.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Countries
should not be in lists. We'll feel some degree of warmth for the
country that we're from/in, but that's no excuse for wanting it to do
better than other countries, especially when you're in what's already
the richest country in the world. As Christians we're told to care for
the poor and voiceless - those are most of all the people in the world's
poorest countries.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fshapiro-leftist-myths-on-religion-science%3Futm_source%3Dfacebook%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dbenshapiro%26fbclid%3DIwAR0efvaASWny2Y7AjCup9XPHNfeAX7a5S8ZO36uNCoGJp1bVJf9doQFvRy8&h=AT15Z3S022P18__Q8hVJMM0BU_k6ofoPCA2KgIqTh8Km2pXmg4e20TV41ovEm33jda27CgzBy2_9Jy49r4HkHbz-MPvjRMEDdP9ZbCO9tvpBGBlUFG_WI7V2qYj12B0TqMEB&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2JTKmfNOxbEe_G8KXooGqReGcC6EQWXxfpHxUT7p2mu7tau6X9AQOyQhPrgE8h8ll1X2CsawZd198ZqTeMhj9b0k5ltmxJIZyDU-OpzZyho6P_SW8abxxgKt7NswYGd64tZwx_iigV4VCPYqQ7W2FzEwP337JSp0DuNgJGuoPzCvBUfg" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The Left has all but succeeded in painting religion as rooted in rote dogma</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Seriously,
your obsessive overuse of "Left" is daft. Do you not have a vocabulary?
Plenty of people are on the Left (not as defined by you) as Christians.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">lol. Ok if you say they support abortion ok then</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I didn't say that. </span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">then they are Christians who DO VOTE in support of it.</div></div></span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">here
are a bunch of issues, and people have essentially only 2 options when
voting, so voting Democrat does not mean supporting abortion, it's just
weighing up the issues and picking the least bad choice. Trump is
incredibly unChristian, and the Bible tells us
repeatedly to help the poor, including people from elsewhere. Ultimately
various Right wing policies, such as some that oppose contraception,
will lead to more abortions.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">yes
it actually does because by voting democrat you are voting for abortion
and a whole lot of other things that a Christian should not be
supporting.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">D<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">id you not understand my comment? Read it again.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"voting Democrat does not mean supporting abortion." Unless I read that incorrectly those are your words and they are wrong.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Indeed. And read the rest. Shall I presume that, given your logic, you voting for Trump means that you support grabbing women by the p****?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">why
do people keep bringing up and off the cuff remark made 30 years ago?
He said it in jest. Yet the same people mad about it love Cardi B's Wet
Ass Pu$$# song and contributed millions to the 50 Shades of Grey
franchise.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"the
same people"? Which people exactly Only some people are fans of Cardi B
or 50 Shades of Grey, I've not personally listened to WAP or
read/watched 50 Shades - but those things are fundamentally very
different, because whilst they're gross they're entertainment about women choosing to do things, whereas Trump bragged about sexual assault.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">also
keep in mind, had Trump ran as a Dem - you'd have never heard that
recording. You know why no one is mentioning it anymore? It was
illegally obtained without consent of either party. (In the 90s that was
a real no-no).</span> he didn't brag about sexual assault. You sensitive children need to grow up. It was locker room jargon. </i><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>AND you're in the UK. Worry about your own crap. Stay out of our business.</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">nd?
Hypothesising about it not having been made public is irrelevant, it
was made public and you voted for him. If you insist that someone voting
Democrat means that they support abortion (it actually doesn't, as I've
explained everyone just has to choose the least bad of 2 options), by
the same logic you voting for Trump means you support sexual assault,
and many other awful, unChristian things about Trump.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">H<span>e absolutely bragged, and it wasn't about a consensual situation.And your country influences our country and others massively, telling someone that something isn't their business is not a good argument.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"When you're a 'vegan' vegan, all life is equal. So a cow is akin to a human." We asked vegans to debunk the most common misconceptions about them</div></div></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
asked PETA (via their Blue tick Twitter account) if a statement they'd
shared about all animals being equal included ants, they replied that it
did. Fortunately the vegans I actually know personally are not like
this. As with other groups, don't lump all vegans together.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">why does someone have to be the same as u for u not to exploit and kill then for your taste enjoyment</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
didn't say "someone has to be". But "someone" refers to a human, BTW,
you seem to be using it to refer to non human animals. I was mocking
PETA's view that ants are equal to other animals, you seem to be making
presumptions about my views on meat.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">wow
that’s how much of a supremacist u r the dogs, whales, cat, pigs and
cows are are something not a someone. U r wrong. Just like u, they feel
pain, they have personalities, they have individual experiences, they
have family and are social, they are intelligent and can suffer, they are someone and u exploit and kill them for your selfish taste enjoyment</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">N<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o,
I don't. For frick's sake. But yes humans are superior, we have far
more consciousness than animals - and again my comment was about ANTS.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">so
might makes right? Isn’t that the same mentality to oppress women and
have human slaves and child abuse? I guess we have different values. If
someone is not same as me I don’t think it’s justified to kill them for
my own sensory pleasure such as taste</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">With
all due respect, you're making no sense. Clearly you want to evangelise
about veganism, but your comments aren't addressing what I've written. I
never mentioned *might*, are you even reading my comments? What I said
is that animals haven't the same level of consciousness.
Women/children/enslaved people are *not* less
conscious/aware/thinking/autonomous than powerful men (or are you
suggesting they are?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
absolutely never said that we should eat animals for taste, I don't
think that we should. People *don't* eat animals exclusively for taste
though, people eat animals for nutrition. It's because of nutrition that
we evolved a taste for meat, human beings only enjoy the taste because
it was necessary. Fortunately we now have many foodstuffs available -
but it is not easy to get all of the nutrients that we need from a vegan
diet, especially if one has particular conditions as I do. If it were
up to me, eating of mammals would end immediately, and more would be
done to make comparable alternatives available (protein and
micronutrient sources that are affordable and not packed with fat/carbs -
such options are currently lacking) so that poultry and fish
consumption could end too.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But why are you arguing with me? (don't answer that). I was talking about ANTS.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid0SDF8wwJAsqrWsGBkNpJSiiEGBZkg8uJgGi1DWHZgcCEBfm4S3EL6wGE61xYhD3t4l?comment_id=477284691103230" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">University of Manchester tells staff not to call over 60s 'elderly' because it's 'ageist'</span></a> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
inaccurate, over 60s are not elderly. Those who are elderly - who are
far older than 60 - should be respected and the word should not be
considered a pejorative. What's needed is to increase respect, not
reinforce the idea that age could be bad by explicitly labelling
"elderly" offensive - still I usually say "older adults" or "senior
citizens" more often because I'd hate an older person to feel upset by
anything I said.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/officialbenshapiro/posts/pfbid02vdsxJBsn7bAdLRezKXRkYtQit94dZj5Q9ECwGg3AXfXt7J11Ej6bvSFBX5jSfBqyl?comment_id=485091463528345"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">J.K. Rowling Says She's a Liberal, But She's Against the Transgender Agenda</span></a> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">And?
Good grief if it's honestly hard for you to comprehend that people who
are in any way on the Left or "liberal" don't all agree about everything
you have serious problems with your thinking skills. Plenty of people
on the Left, including a chunk of the LGB community and feminists,
oppose what you refer to as the trans agenda, how could you not beaware
of this?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/08/kwasi-kwartengs-dash-growth-may-not-entirely-what-seems/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1MuYuzzAKy4138oRYGkGOhm6enL-auX_DqaB5igaUOj4JNRpZLIP9qDBw#Echobox=1665226521" target="_blank">Kwasi Kwarteng’s dash for growth may not be entirely what it seems </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Lots
of things have been growing under the Tories. Algal blooms in polluted
water; NHS waiting lists; backlogs; mortgage rates; energy bills; food
prices; the gap between rich and poor; despair....</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/democrats/posts/pfbid0XrKyaTSyfhbat2KJD7U2PyhhZvcoKjXDgJkSoQo4SxsG6dacBwhninDwaWrwUytSl?comment_id=1744555165900345" target="_blank">If Republicans win control in November, they want to pass legislation to criminalize abortion and send doctors and nurses to jail for providing health care services.</a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
just observing from the UK so I've not been following closely - can
someone clarify what this claim is based on exactly? Is it an
extrapolation of the proposed 15 week cut off? Have legislators
specifically said, in significant numbers, that they want medics locked
up?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://bylinetimes.com/2022/10/07/cost-of-living-crisis-hits-black-and-minority-ethnic-people-hardest/?fbclid=IwAR0P631mth6u2UIQPaKrZWbr-DT1bpAsdLnIjkULLKFFjwBcjRKpBz0CzmM" target="_blank">Cost of Living Crisis Hits Black and Minority Ethnic People Hardest</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Also,
the Global crises affecting resources etc are hitting people of colour
in our world hard - I'm really angry that there's been so little
coverage of the current famine, it feels as though our media doesn't
care about the parts of the world where people are most melanated.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/photos/a.10150095914943812/10162119032418812?type=3&notif_id=1665628388600452&notif_t=comment_mention&ref=notif" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">"Genco formulated a plot to kill women and intended to carry it out" </span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">that man needs therapy but will he get it without universal healthcare?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">re you trying to reduce support for universal health care?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">because i want him to get psychological help?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">D</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">o
you really think that many people who see this will think "poor guy, I
hope he gets tax payer funded help"? As you can see from the comments
here, most are only angry with him, not sympathetic. Most people want
most killers (or <a tabindex="-1"></a>attempted killers) punished, not
helped (esp with their taxes), and those who need to be won over to
supporting universal health care are even more likely to support justice
over empathy.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>"poor
guy, I hope he gets tax payer funded help"? protip: thats what taxes
are for. Taxes exist for the benefit of the ENTIRE society and not a
select rich few.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="x1rg5ohu xxymvpz x17z2i9w"><div aria-hidden="false" class="x1hy63sm x1hc1fzr xhva3ql"><span class="x4k7w5x x1h91t0o x1h9r5lt x1jfb8zj xv2umb2 x1beo9mf xaigb6o x12ejxvf x3igimt xarpa2k xedcshv x1lytzrv x1t2pt76 x7ja8zs x1qrby5j"></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Is
it not obvious to you that most people, especially those who aren't
currently in support of UH, don't think that an attempted mass murderer
deserves help?<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And why do you think that "help" or the lack of it is the only factor here? Do you <a tabindex="-1"></a>not
think that a person can be evil? Is, for example, Trump, simply a
victim of a lack of therapy? I don't doubt that mental illness is a
thing, and we all have limitations on our free will/influences on our
actions from our experiences, but that doesn't excuse all evil. "Help"
from UH, which I believe in, should be for people with actual diseases
or injuries.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Do you not think that a person can be evil?" that religious fascist BS has no place in modern society. try again</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
think you'll find that most people who aren't religious still believe
evil exists. And I'll take that as a yes, you think Trump, as an
example, is simply a victim of not enough therapy. So you have no
justification for being angry with him, or any other horrendous
politician, because they are simply deprived of sessions with shrinks. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">This
isn't about my opinion - my point is that you're actually going to
reduce support for UH with comments like yours, and thus reduce the
likelihood of things we actually want being voted for. That you've
suddenly decided to imply that I'm fascist (do you think I care what you
call me?) suggests that you generally have an attitude of not giving a
toss that you put people off rather than working to win support for
causes.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Freawaken-america-tour-michael-flynn-910e83b515185751be82868b227ca22e%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3ncdcYXEXeLjJ48EJ2ETMC_RqD_rPGL1mXENRnjj3X0IzalVqViwNVkYA&h=AT0kurX1uPCPii6abs4tVHNv7ueEFogaxy7zg4VbrfMThQUbU3GcoE60YEtEWrMmIbqme_xvJ0g3LweR0niR45RLDOrqTmU2tA7gWvgO1JOQ9_Ieu1ehlisURQQKUz6VZiRF&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1oyTYKwQrGOCyjXesK6iFOtnh-KgeNA8ylyhNP10TohtNS7cO4Ze8725D1-XS2qjXVeGGGb7J6Ui70kV-fcMD_tcHkeozt50h-MWIdsNbJxFpAOsoqItGSeLcbq3T0HZoALh8lLV6VmM9MOMADy1OGo81wREKbIyiRHNW1lCwnlKy9Uw" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">ReAwaken America</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> tour has become a recruiting tool for the ascendant Christian nationalist movement</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Christian
nationalist" is an oxymoron. Jesus got flipping angry with those who
tried to use religion for their own gain rat than adhering to God's
commands to love the poor and vulnerable.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div></div><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s x126k92a"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2022%2F10%2F01%2Fnurse-sues-nhs-forcing-racist-ideology-students%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0aQOJGrTXd4DME_VW7Vx3NRrbAv495XO72QZDHJcuZWByEsZgW8QcK-9A&h=AT2WtmbFvuOYuyXYzS0EKpW9-EcliDZQBFnOjsFl6DEuWYeLqn36h3JSy83oPWLjdqRTXV3hGv-_ePOwXDBvlXM91AHrB0ujgnTlfa-9U1t2S7aSUdQEtMweIxuk91jKRV9S&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT3dVLfiF_dxygRG0wFMmu4ecqPfadlVsgbE6i94IStnKxxr5bKlHODpFqhh4iOKNLuy89VOzCEDhaEzqtvDwItkkl3_qCautbp9slexL_PwKxLvmZRIp5llWUH9wd5wpDfGdFUROK1NoXI25FWwn0zvRryelDoDifk3ug-n1PoC6fhWDcvP" target="_blank">Amy Gallagher, a student nurse, was forced to confront 'the reality of white privilege' in a lecture and told that "Christianity is racist because it is European."</a></div></div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">White
privilege refers to the fact that various things in society have been
designed to suit us; statistically we benefit from certain injustices;
and we're less likely to experience racism.<div class="x1iorvi4 xjkvuk6 x1lliihq"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Other privileges and injustices exist (other than white <a tabindex="-1"></a>privilege),
thus there are some people of colour who have a net advantage over some
less privileged white people, but that doesn't mean that white
privilege doesn't exist. As Christians we should have concern for
injustices faced by others. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
insanely uninformed does one have to be to think that Christianity is
European? That's a flipping insult to the Christians of colour
throughout history (including the early Church, and the Ethiopian Church
which existed before Christianity spread through Europe) - and today
Christianity is growing in non European countries whilst being replaced
by atheism/agnosticism/new age spirituality in Europe. (Of course even
if it were European, that would not make something, let alone
Christianity, racist - and racism is not confined to Europe)</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">can you give me an example, please?</span></i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> <i>[Of] white privilege. I want to see if I have it even though I'm not white. Is it colour or culture related?</i></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Studies
have found that identical job and university applications get different
success rates depending on the ethnicity of the candidate. Though I
believe this may now be changing, it has impacted on the life paths of
many - and this in turn will have impacted on the
support and inheritance they can give their children. Black patients
have been found to have different outcomes, such as being less likely to
be offered pain killers and more likely to die in childbirth.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">These things in themselves demonstrate that subconscious biases which may have other, more subtle effects.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I believe that it's a combination of colour and culture. Again, I'm not disputing that other inequalities also exist.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">no, I want an actual situation where I would know if I had it or not.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've
just mentioned situations. One could know personally whilst in a
situation, if they'd be treated differently if their skin was a
different colour, as with other matters it's data that we need to draw
conclusions.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So
far as I'm aware, the answer to whether you yourself have white
privilege is that you're likely somewhere in the middle - you won't have
been at risk from, for instance, missing out on job offers due partly
to unconscious bias to anywhere near the extent that a Black person
would, but it's reasonably plausible that some employers might wrongly
give a caucasian candidate with a traditional British sounding name some
degree of unfair advantage over you. You are less likely to have been
seen as different by some racists than a person with more melanin, but
could of course still potentially have experienced racism (and if so,
I'm so sorry that you did). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again
though, there are other factors that contribute to people's experiences
- if, as mentioned, you attended a Grammar school, that will have given
you some degree of advantage in life over many people who attended
comprehensive schools, yet you perhaps didn't have as much class/wealth
privilege as those who were sent to private schools. Some aspects of
white privilege relate to women, for instance, Black women may be
pressured to spend a tonne of time on their hair as afros have sometimes
been prohibited in some schools/workplaces, whereas I as a white woman
am more likely to have my hair, in its natural state, accepted. I'm also
more likely to find skin tone matching tights, plasters, make up etc,
and I'm statistically less likely to die in child birth than a Black
woman (in fact I have zero chance of dying in child birth as I shan't
ever give birth at all, that's a whole other story <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span>).
But some people would also argue that there's male privilege - men have
been found to earn more for equivalent jobs, don't have to worry about
menstruation or menopause, are less likely to careers impacted by
children etc - so one might say (I'm not saying) that you have a degree
of privilege for being male.</div></span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
grew up in a place called hayes hillingdon where it was predominantly
Asians. I'm 40 and all through infant and junior school suffered racist
attacks verbal and physical. Now im grown I understand that those kid's
where acting out racism against white people that
there parents taught them. The school was majority Indian kid's and
minority white/black other it was the Indian kid's that racistly bullied
and ganged together to bully other's it was hell. I never got racism
from a black kid</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm so sorry that you went through that<span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😥" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t91/1/16/1f625.png" width="16" /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
was born in Hillingdon hospital (in '92). My parents were living in
Southall. They got on very well with the (South Asian heritage)
neighbours, but they thought I would find it difficult being <a tabindex="-1"></a>one
of very few white children in school, which was part of the reason they
moved to North Ealing when I was 2. It makes me wonder what life is
like for a kids who are in a minority - this has often been non white
children, but clearly not always. Though I'm very grateful to my
parents, I think it's generally good if kids aren't separated (I think
think this about class RE private and grammar schools too), we (as
groups in society) need to mix with people who are different from
ourselves to reduce future potential tension. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
hope that, in a school like yours today, the interconnectness and
variety of modern society would reduce the degree to which kids who are a
minority experience what you did(?) One thing that there needs to be
awareness of is that racism can breed racism - obviously in the sense
that people pass on their views to their kids to some degree, but also
in the sense that part of the reason that the parents you mentioned were
racist is that they will have experienced racism, though this is
obviously not an excuse at all. I think that the organisers of lectures
like that mentioned above need to consider is that they are actually
fuelling racism from some white people towards people of colour (not
that such white people have an excuse for such racism if course).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again, I'm so sorry that you had a difficult time at school.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">one
thing I find somewhat alarming is that the idea that Christianity is a
modern (newer than Islam) religion is being put about by Islamic
Fundamentalists (I have encountered this idea on FB and a Muslim man
tried very hard to persuade me that Jesus was made up by the Church in c1500). So where did that person pick up their misinformation?</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Yikes.
That's barmy. I knew that some Muslims claim that each human is born
Muslim and then some are led into other worldviews, I hadn't
encountered anyone trying to claim that Islam historically predates
other worldviews by lying about Christian history.
Clearly there's an instinct to presume that something older is better (I
think that this is the chronological fallacy?), but it's not a good
argument. And I'm surprised that a Muslim would claim Jesus was invented
around 1500 given that, unless I'm much mistaken, He's considered a
prophet in Islam and Christians are mentioned in Islamic texts (implying
that Christianity already existed). If Jesus had been invented in 1500,
this would mean that Islamic scripture has been corrupted since then,
and they wouldn't want to believe that.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
a ridiculous conspiracy theory, but the Internet is littered with
conspiracy theories (have you seen the one about loads of celebrities
being secretly trans? Apparently, for instance Prince Williams was born
female and Kate was born male.... <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😂" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/td0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /></span>)
and I think that many Muslims, like us as Christians, may be even more
suspicious of mainstream information, so I guess a few of them end up in
conspiracy theory echo chambers.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/photos/a.315767831635/10160445887681636/?comment_id=349126494055794" target="_blank">The Woman King</a><br /><div class="x1iorvi4 xjkvuk6 x1lliihq"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It's
a film celebrating a tribe that enslaved others. It boggles my mind.
The transAtlantic slave trade is one of the very most outrageous, evil
parts of human history, how could anyone want to pretend that some of
those responsible were heroic? It's as though some lame attempt to
promote feminism has been deemed more important than the humanity of
slavery's victims. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Would
one make a film in which Nazis are treated as heroes/heroines? I hope
not, but The Woman King is doing something just as insane.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
quite right that Colston's statue was torn down, why create a film that
pretends those who sold their neighbours were heroes?</span> <br /></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/mini-budget-uk-financial-impact-women?utm_source=Syndication&utm_medium=Vice&fbclid=IwAR1Kn-x2MzyljarKmnGs5bESnPVbonN_1xoqmuTeKT9lLFlHp6ViZjVnWFc" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><br /></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/mini-budget-uk-financial-impact-women?utm_source=Syndication&utm_medium=Vice&fbclid=IwAR1Kn-x2MzyljarKmnGs5bESnPVbonN_1xoqmuTeKT9lLFlHp6ViZjVnWFc" target="_blank">Liz Truss Is Making Things Wosre For Women</a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Our
government cut overseas Aid under BoJo, dramatically impacting the
lives of some of the world's most disadvantaged women and girls. Truss
needs to restore it, but I have no hope that she will.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/09/orchestra-refused-play-national-anthem-accused-woke-nonsense/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3owiL4mis5otgoL_-k713dgSQPF-liYRb5kI0F-aSDFOSpQ9JCotNAMCk#Echobox=1665331693" target="_blank">Orchestra that refused to play national anthem accused of ‘woke nonsense’</a> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
flipping odd to demand that people perform a specific song. They can
use their instruments as they choose, this isn't North Korea.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/09/nicola-sturgeon-accused-using-dangerous-language-saying-detests/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3mj05ZkprCemAOW8JcH1v62x8AdTFhxFQ0Vrm3JBS4HwGgbCvRKMzMYXA#Echobox=1665313234" target="_blank">Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t regret saying she ‘detests’ Tories </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Dangerous?
How exactly? The Tories are employing actually dangerous policies.
Moaning about other people's unremarkable words seems like a hilariously
antispeech attempt at distracting from the harm they're doing.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-is-christianity-always-in-the-dock/?fbclid=IwAR0WMELjpH6w_LnfbwXLABmsTaqHYyxg1QI3zf1aZE2E63WIv2VZNkR1NnQ" target="_blank">Why is Christianity always in the dock? </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
think that part of the issue is that many people have behaved in an
unChristlike way whilst calling themselves Christians, contributing to
the erroneous view that Christians are hateful and thus worthy of
disdain. But it's also the case that our culture hates various aspects
of actual Christianity.</span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2F2022-10-05%2Farchbishops-apologise-as-hundreds-more-clergy-abuse-cases-uncovered%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0mOP2TUGEK6zEy74OPWt3289aesS054YuVFPQa9YDV3Ez36U68XtiIZwA%23Echobox%3D1665001179&h=AT38w4QAeA-zCDwy8GCU3UQTzpTRWRL4yi7wWDejhYmi_u3lKmf0XR9jaby00LDdGUCbABqKImGDfpUGWO-lB3IA20vNYHI_CVM_xy98a3eCfTBRe6XtOAwR_Zq3cMNyB8vc&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1t04nJSPUXRFmGMdM71aQvyC_5ocaG1gsp578hj-L5PNx3Vb6oUREbeQJGMbDLrDgvKZai2NgWn3fqsl_SCzoH7cHXqEXf0QQN9h69U3dXR5VjrGxA_d1MP_8QRKj2bxHQlgNIVPdPelWPhNH3T44HpLpPso6wXiGFNnvwOOYiYfTvIE0t7q4eGKDW-bGolZiN4L9yEBauXPI" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The Church of England's report uncovered hundreds of cases dating back to the 1940s - and some recorded as recently as 2018</span></a><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itv.com%2Fnews%2F2022-10-05%2Farchbishops-apologise-as-hundreds-more-clergy-abuse-cases-uncovered%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0mOP2TUGEK6zEy74OPWt3289aesS054YuVFPQa9YDV3Ez36U68XtiIZwA%23Echobox%3D1665001179&h=AT38w4QAeA-zCDwy8GCU3UQTzpTRWRL4yi7wWDejhYmi_u3lKmf0XR9jaby00LDdGUCbABqKImGDfpUGWO-lB3IA20vNYHI_CVM_xy98a3eCfTBRe6XtOAwR_Zq3cMNyB8vc&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1t04nJSPUXRFmGMdM71aQvyC_5ocaG1gsp578hj-L5PNx3Vb6oUREbeQJGMbDLrDgvKZai2NgWn3fqsl_SCzoH7cHXqEXf0QQN9h69U3dXR5VjrGxA_d1MP_8QRKj2bxHQlgNIVPdPelWPhNH3T44HpLpPso6wXiGFNnvwOOYiYfTvIE0t7q4eGKDW-bGolZiN4L9yEBauXPI" target="_blank"> </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">but your god sits by, and does nothing to stop it , it's almost like he doesn't exist.</span></i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"><i> </i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do
you think that a toddler understands everything that their parents do/
don't prevent? Our brain power in relation to God and the universe is
far less than that of a toddler in relation to their parents.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But He does do things to stop it - <a tabindex="-1"></a>He
inspires people to take action. Those of us who have chosen to accept
Jesus find that we hunger (even more than we did previously) to oppose
injustices in our world.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">why doesn’t the all powerful almighty do something about it?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Have
you asked Him? Seriously, there are all sorts of things that, with our
finite human minds, we can't understand - I have some ideas but I'm not
sure it's my place to discuss this as a person who's not a victim.
Genuinely praying helps us to understand things
somewhat better, though we never will entirely this side of heaven. I
know of women who've been victims of abuse but are passionate about
their relationships with God. I know that God gives humans free will,
predators are responsible for their crimes.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Also,
God sometimes He works through people, so in answer to your question,
one of the things He's doing is prompting some of His actual followers
(in contrast to those who call themselves Christian just for what doing
so gets them) to fight injustice.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Ultimately
various bad things in life prompt some people to do brilliant things
for the world in their futures, and or to turn to God and find eternal
life.</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/05/m-people-founder-very-angry-over-use-of-song-at-tory-conference?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2qByHAzWNIO4Wxc4ol4ZSX5D4K9LLa1YBT6OVXLnd-sxyI1w0J3zyDxz4#Echobox=1664978711" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">M People founder ‘very angry’ over use of song at Tory conference</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">The
fact is that the majority of creatives support the Left, Right wing
politicians feel compelled to steal art because artists aren't going to
grant permission for use. And ultimately, stealing other people's labour
is what Right wing politics is all about.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Ftrading-in-twitter-shares-halted-as-elon-musk-plans-to-buy-social-media-company-for-original-offer-price-12712119%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1YQ5O2Ar9UyhnuXNx6IklzZMUvBPBv59w3VJQ-0BWGfrNcJe6NLrNYGWc&h=AT0fybUZgat5s7VuvNR52VRv-3y9iq2BPYvTI-fYoxcAKwCG7ZgAwpQupY8QO7u7n3wBb4mi_RtrvrF8s3m4_5cYob0uhvasat5c9dJ_TX6qQVbJqivnex5wX8ZpdQtUAZ2h&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0BxdgqXgkd1ID8Fw5k6Yt4UFUzfXHFY04m1DGx0OaLQmqkcLOuOlQnIcuyidf6zTkKQxzy64LU1IjGZGwl_5KJN0W7WwGTUkFbGwUP7ow7aaU4se8213PyWhOX-3xxkRr4hhP3OTnUIlHtBBgrVWVlRuO5cueg6CpzlMR6waCEF2d6Kg" target="_blank">The world's richest man is proposing to go ahead with purchasing the social media giant</a> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Did
he not say he might end world hunger? I don't think that that would be
entirely possible, but it seems odd to me that he'd choose not to put
this money towards that cause, great as Twitter is.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftelegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2022%2F10%2F04%2Fliz-truss-news-kwarteng-benefits-tax-conservative-party-conference%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2Aw3YnX4eWjJBQbXSIUMO2ygLJllYA965yZi4HbZLAQmD78AUfHgFIbuk&h=AT2xpCKu1hJkYcjM9l5zXaZ9VRew4UqAUoZgOEh7eJRehKM6evAHa6EfQEm6ee1prFt8ytec2DQ6lwKLS0-gJawSER3E1vl2I-n7TS6kQZW1XuoNclYvWDelxRLit6P3Ra0I&__tn__=-UK*F" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">"It's not racist for anyone, from a minority or otherwise, to want to control our borders"</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1iorvi4 xjkvuk6 x1lliihq"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">That
depends. So far as I've seen, most people most opposed to migration are
markedly less bothered by white people coming here, note for example
Dan Wooton's audience. Many comments I've seen opposing migration also
say things that are racist. And the way that our government has treated
Ukrainian refugees differently from non white refugees is striking (I am
obviously not opposing support for Ukrainian refugees).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Whether driven by racism or not, there's plenty of opposition to migrants that's selfish and heartless, as well as uninformed.</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.itv.com/news/central/2022-10-04/woman-facing-jail-after-pouring-faeces-over-captain-tom-moore-statue?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3EQMtm3kLPDxauBUccVKsFTM8gZbvVs63eJYW0mphGDHPRNk-qejG7_dE#Echobox=1664905462" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto">A woman is facing jail after pleading guilty to pouring faeces over a memorial for Sir Captain Tom Moore</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="x1iorvi4 xjkvuk6 x1lliihq"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
can't help but wonder if she's opposed to the green movement and trying
to undermine it. Her "protest" makes no sense and is so obviously just
harming the cause. That or she's in need of psychiatric treatment.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Should
the tax payer be funding her being locked up? She's not dangerous,
surely a massive fine and a tonne of community service would be better?</div></div></span></div><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid02uXLFaXiAjMBcZwYRvBZbmJBYgHGfpwsWz5D8oBAS2dUJjdKE29DCCgeVDyJDFC3kl?comment_id=1209459059635924" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Headteacher
Sue Hannam thinks extending the school day to 4pm would probably do
more harm than good, amid rumours of government reforms</span></a><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/JeremyVineOn5/posts/pfbid02uXLFaXiAjMBcZwYRvBZbmJBYgHGfpwsWz5D8oBAS2dUJjdKE29DCCgeVDyJDFC3kl?comment_id=1209459059635924" target="_blank"> </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Surely
it's unconservative to reduce family time? And it's obviously
anti-labour to put more of a burden on teachers. It's also cruel to kids
- if this policy had been actioned when I was a child I dread to think
how I'd have reacted.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/GBNewsOnline/posts/pfbid02geSkaV5VcVB5ELe1wxpsvEVBq72BoAcJaq1CdnxC7SQYbG5tEGsexFGyXy4iUcFfl?comment_id=1118987832380061&reply_comment_id=820335815671217" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Michael Fabricant MP speaks about being heckled by protesters in Birmingham as he arrived at the Conservative Party conference</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Funny
nobody harassed anyone at the Labour conference, but the Labour bullies
seem to come out in force when the conservatives have theirs! Labour do
themselves no favours at all!!</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">"Labour
bullies"? They're not Labour politicians, they're members of the public
angry about the party who've been in power for 12 years because of the
mess they've made with that power. (not that I have nor ever would
behave like this myself)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/posts/pfbid0DvY3HSn9d3AHrLw8eHRmbmNZHeBwPEGzhUATTvDJkEjACLK2P863wRaJKEii1VJDl?comment_id=644313597307752&reply_comment_id=818950179146410#" target="_blank"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">The 2022 Qatar World Cup is just 50 days away, with the tournament set to officially begin on 20 November</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Please
discuss the labourers who built the stadiums, and were so overworked
and mistreated that 6,500 (potentially far more) died.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">did you ask the same question when your energy come from Qatar and the labourers were building facilities to send gas abroad?</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I've not read about that, nor have I chosen to use energy from Qatar. What are your sources?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>oh and I forgot the owner of Harrods is Qatar. www.spglobal.com/.../052422-energy-key-as-qatar...</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">T<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">hat
doesn't really answer. And I have a green energy provider. What does
Harrods have to do with anything? I've never shopped there.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Good luck <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🤞" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/te5/1/16/1f91e.png" width="16" /></span> for Qatar <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🇶🇦" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t87/1/16/1f1f6_1f1e6.png" width="16" /></span> and Qatari people <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="❤️" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t6c/1/16/2764.png" width="16" /></span>Ignore the invaders and genocides makers , they killed millions of people around the world <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="🗺" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tc8/1/16/1f5fa.png" width="16" /></span> and now giving lectures about humans rights <span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😁" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4f/1/16/1f601.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"><img alt="😁" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4f/1/16/1f601.png" width="16" /></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm x1kky2od"></span><span class="x3nfvp2 x1j61x8r x1fcty0u xdj266r xhhsvwb xat24cr xgzva0m xxymvpz xlup9mm 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m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v 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f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
didn't invade nor commit genocide. And I'm absolutely not blaming all
Qatari people for the evil I mentioned. Why exactly do you think that I
shouldn't have mentioned it?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><br /><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">This
is the racist hypocritical western world Peoples, nations,
civilizations and tribes have been annihilated, and today they come with
rudeness to give lectures on human rights and humanity. Britain last
century had human zoos I think drugs and alcohol have affected their memory very much</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I
don't use drugs or alcohol. Either way, I wouldn't "remember" human
zoos in that I wasn't alive then, and I'm not responsible (most British
people alive at the time were not responsible, just as most Qatari
people alive are not to blame for what's been
happening in their country). I am of course, aware that they existed,
which is indescribably horrific and evil - it doesn't change the fact
that working migrant labourers to death today is horrific and evil.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/01/growth-plan-will-reverse-britains-managed-decline-says-liz-truss/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1QTRYWPUyBSyehHXqDuRSJl35dQr8gBhwj0BlL37hnlwn-XuG0Y580g7A#Echobox=1664657576" target="_blank">Only my growth plan will reverse Britain’s managed decline, says Liz Truss </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Growth
of what? Letting the rich become even richer does not make the country
any more productive - and workers being even more stressed and stretched
will reduce productivity.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/01/unforgivable-uk-government-errors-denied-thousands-disability-benefits?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2cCVeVDjDGbqluqExJjzAyg1TYkixbtVY-d7yYJwATKA3N6pbAFj-GleI#Echobox=1664642382" target="_blank">‘Unforgivable’: UK government errors denied thousands disability benefits </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">I'd
love to know how much tax payer's money is spent on dealing with
appeals and tribunals which could be saved if the mistakes weren't made
in the first place. Of course, no system can be perfect, and some
minority of claimants may attempt to cheat the system so should be
stopped from doing so - but so far as I've read almost all appeals are
ultimately upheld.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"><a href="https://inews.co.uk/opinion/the-bbc-has-lost-its-way-its-resolve-and-its-judgement-and-so-the-attackers-become-more-audacious-1894097?ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3sfCVr6wV8nt9ZpHm-_o0p9w-W1YHzI4PpMtPj3-NYIDF4hr6TF45QAOE#Echobox=1664906826" target="_blank">The BBC has lost its way </a><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">But
most of the press, and other channels - TalkTV/Radio and GBeebies - are
far, far further Right. If you take down the BBC, they'll have yet more
nefarious influence. And the BBC is not just news, it's an enormous
array of entertainment, culture and education.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://jacobin.com/2020/12/broke-in-america-ending-us-poverty?fbclid=IwAR3afMhWEinrjgMoAGhs-Urtd_4WNucfS7FDz_klWWuOUQoAXgeuhw_1vsA" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Ending
Poverty in the United States Would Actually Be Pretty Easy - In the
wealthiest country in the world, there’s no reason anyone should be
poor.</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Apologies
for the whataboutism, but I feel compelled to comment - we need to be
fighting poverty beyond our wealthy Western countries too. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
mentioning this because it really, really isn't discussed enough. And
the fact that the US is, as you've said "the wealthiest country in the
world" is not simply a good thing that should mean it has no poverty,
it's the result of grotesque injustices that have contributed to scores
of human beings in our world being trapped in more severe poverty. (All
this is obviously true of my country, Britain, too) </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We
shouldn't just want for our countries' wealth to be more fairly
distributed amongst our own populations. What's needed is for our
countries to stop acquiring wealth through the exploitation of other
countries, and for some of the wealth of the very rich to be spent on
well managed overseas Aid.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/CCFON/posts/pfbid02dDnhDBjk2f13Dh2fxHjUSQELFV8LqSVg4NE4GDjPYsWd9z1jMSe3oTVzgmDcjN7ol?comment_id=802420671078093" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Last week that PayPal closed the accounts of the Free Speech Union and its CEO, Toby Young (Christian Concern)</span></a> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Why
are you supporting this? This is not Christian. Toby Young's platform
lost Paypal access because it shared opinions that are unChristian -
putting personal liberty before concern for the sick. And like Asher's
Bakers and others, Paypal had the <a tabindex="-1"></a>right to remove their services.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">For example - <a class="qi72231t nu7423ey n3hqoq4p r86q59rh b3qcqh3k fq87ekyn bdao358l fsf7x5fv rse6dlih s5oniofx m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk srn514ro oxkhqvkx rl78xhln nch0832m cr00lzj9 rn8ck1ys s3jn8y49 icdlwmnq cxfqmxzd ezidihy3" href="https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/toby-young-tweets-the-controversial-comments-that-led-to-his-resignation-a3735326.html?fbclid=IwAR3_3PHOvycB3P0WPQgYSdH46e0miLdFoime5NLpjbCg0CbonKls1OFk75s" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.standard.co.uk/.../toby-young-tweets-the...</a>
- seriously, read it. Are discussing celebrity's breasts like this,
joking about anal sex with a public figure, and supporting eugenics,
things that Christian Concern want to defend? And do you not care about
the illness and fatalities that will result from the anti-vax trend he's
helped prop up?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">it’s
called free speech, as a Christian I may not like what I read but I
would put my point of view rather than deny someone else theres.</span></i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">-Free speech is one thing, freedom from consequences is another. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">-Some speech stirs up actual harm. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">-PayPal has every right to freedom of removal of their services.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a tabindex="-1"></a>-Free
speech is not mentioned in the Bible, we shouldn't be prioritising it
over actual Christian principles, doing so is false religion</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">-Seriously, read the vile things Toby Young has written</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">'The police are very timid about going in and arresting...because they could be accused of being racist!' - </span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">calls for a focus on 'common sense policing'</span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Does he have evidence for that assertion? Or for what % of police time is being taken up by things you're opposing?</span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">'If anybody says their first loyalty is to religion, you want to watch out. That's an extremist.'</span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">My
first loyalty is to Jesus, call me an extremist if you like. He was
peaceful and commanded us to be, including that we must love our
enemies, turn the other cheek and give sacrificially to help the poor
(of course, for centuries people have been failing to actually follow
His commands/example whilst mistakenly calling themselves Christians to
feel noble)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto">A
sex worker has said she offers an "essential
service"</span></span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">She
would defend it, she's raking in money. But her industry contributes to
the objectification of women. She's profitting by propping up something
that affects many, many innocent people.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">'As you reduce these high rates of taxation, you give people the incentive to work harder.'</span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">So
you mean to say that people earning many times more than the average
salary *aren't* already working as hard as they can? Their salaries are
unjustly high in relation to their effort? Who'd have guessed? </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Lawrenson
said he had become fed up with the 'woke' culture at the BBC, after
claiming he was sacked for being "65 and a white male."</span></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Those
who can't even be bothered to find out what woke actually means and to
use more accurate language shouldn't be working in any area of
journalism.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><img alt="May be an image of 3 people and text that says "That moment when you're a working- class communist millionaire but you have to wait for the maid to finish making your bed so you can continue to Imagine no possessions. OVE GROW IN-BER RING"" class="z6erz7xo on4d8346 pytsy3co s8sjc6am myo4itp8 ekq1a7f9 mfclru0v p9wrh9lq" height="579" src="https://scontent.flhr10-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/308740421_642331240594708_8396203190334023140_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=cxZLVPp_0isAX-v64XS&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-2.fna&oh=00_AT_VAtunK03kJokl_OmmYpKnEvxPUbiG3XYsD8l9WLcRJA&oe=6336A8F9" width="526" /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
really makes me angry how, today, so many people especially
celebrities, are labelled "social justice warriors" for being very vocal
about issues relating to sex, but the biggest injustices in our world
(such as modern slavery, literal famine in certain regions etc) are
largely ignored.<span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Here in
Britain where the national religion is football (what the US wrongly
calls soccer), people are excited about the forthcoming world cup, which
will be held in Qatar. 6,500 migrant labourers were worked literally to
death (presumably many more still suffered unimaginably) to build the
stadiums - but our team is supposedly standing up for justice because
the captain plans to wear a rainbow arm band to the event.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/10/benin-bronzes-nigeria-return-stolen-art/671245/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2x8b6rmuyQHnhkuO7_G53auzR7n4iLv9HAVEieR_xysFnj5lV12Jqgv6M">Who Benefits When Western Museums Return Looted Art? </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">O<span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">ur
(Western) economies have vast wealth taken from the Global South, and
still today many times more wealth goes from the developing world to the
developed world than is given in Aid. We can't pretend injustices have
been fixed by sending back artefacts and addressing racism within our
own society (though obviously racism must be tackled), there needs to be
action to end exploitation of the world's most disadvantaged people.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://fb.watch/fNS0MJf1lf/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Calvin
Robinson asks: 'Why are we allowing people to compel us to lie about
such basic truths? To pretend a man is a women, or a woman is a man?'</span></span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
agree with him about sex/gender (though empathy is needed in most
cases, aside from this teacher), but his language is erroneous - this is
not about the "Left" (Left is first and foremost wanting fairer
distribution of wealth) or "woke" (woke refers to awareness of racial
injustice).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And why the outfit? It's as though he's trying to brag, which is in itself unChristian.</div></div></span></div></div></span><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <br /><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf n3t5jt4f"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://fb.watch/fNSbvAjICP/">As England buries their beloved queen....The British empire enriched themselves by enslaving Africans in Jamaican fields. That history has not been forgotten, or paid back</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> "Paid
back"? History happened, it can't be changed, tragically. The
unimaginable horror and suffering of the transAtlantic slave trade won't
be undone for its now deceased victims by giving money to some other
people. <span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">(people who should, rather, have justice for the injustices they themselves experience).</span><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But because
there is outrageous injustice in our world today - plenty of it linked
to colonialism - existing injustices need to be addressed, starting with
wealth that was unfairly taken and passed down being redistributed to
the world's poorest communities. Rich countries like ours need to stop
extracting wealth from poorer countries, and to do more to fund
development in countries that have been held back by the exploitation
that's made ours wealthy. There also urgently needs to be action against
modern slavery, including that of some African communities to produce
things we buy. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But the
Queen is essentially irrelevant - she had no power; the monarchy's
wealth should be given back, but that in itself won't end the far wider
problem.</div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.womanalive.co.uk%2Fopinion%2Fthe-queens-funeral-was-watched-by-an-estimated-three-billion-people-we-need-to-pray-that-the-christian-message-gets-through%2F13895.article%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3_KvhV_RAwZtxOw-hKNARY81DvgN-uWsCi3ru2lcBZYf7rDtRNLcX1HWg&h=AT1VvXGJBfJP7r3f6HQYYjKxkF6aEmqkfWOzR811NAScQb-fb-p71eqNmWgYNTjJRWyweqayJhNaIcVGQww_blstIrjGjb0ZZtxv5QFW0ruEYgkeBC0eAlzRx0jGRRJSaqzh&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0FB-VsWUDcPBGMVavkjlnZbejK8vg0sPx2H2oSB90VkPMSQQDyUGf2BWAhPK7epQtjinrppkYzdDIYMlO2tJrYekL8O53_6JvzB28vL_CkLedx_2upWZNuZs39ZngmfRJaiKAfHhxMNVo65nW6Prnef17lI4H_8C2b6CnmsKXDjA" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">The Queen’s funeral was watched by an estimated THREE BILLION people – we need to pray that the Christian message gets through</span></a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">ACCORDING
TO WHAT SOURCE? Seriously, I am genuinely concerned that you're running
with this irrational claim, I care about Premier and I want your
journalism standards to be higher than this. The latest figures have
said that less than half of Brits watched - so why would more than half
of the human beings on Earth who have TV access watch? Accepting numbers
bounded around by parody accounts on Twitter, and by gutter press like
The Express, rather than rationality is not OK from a Christian outlet.
We need to show the world that Christianity is wise, and not that we're
so nationalist we think the world is *that* interested by our events.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><a href="https://news.sky.com/story/prince-of-wales-admits-he-got-choked-up-over-paddington-bear-tributes-to-the-queen-12703421?fbclid=IwAR0fWWoSKE7QBpiCz7mZt1j77UjU5tVC0gXst-EXkpun2-OA53gyzEuOjTs" target="_blank">Prince of Wales admits he got 'choked up' over Paddington Bear tributes to the Queen</a> <br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"></span><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How
many people are aware that the writer (Michael Bond) of Paddington was
(rightly, IMO) inspired by seeing refugee children arriving in Britain? I
find it ironic that so many people in our society have no empathy for
refugees yet love to see the heartwarming character of Paddington. They
should consider subscribing to Paddington's Postcards, helping children
in need around the world.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/09/08/queen-diamond-south-africa/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR25sSSdTolm3MALm_5IRks_7bh8W5Hy9wSi0y-GBSmc2lAUl3qQIL2IF08#Echobox=1663693462" target="_blank">Did Queen Elizabeth II Own ‘Stolen’ Diamond Named Great Star of Africa?</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What's
needed for Western banks and corporations to be stopped from exploiting
the Global South. I'm not saying that the diamonds should stay here in
Britain, but there are far greater injustices that are oppressing people
and are not receiving enough attention. Returning diamonds, though I'm
not saying that it shouldn't happen, won't help people in poverty. I've
seen many comments from people of formerly colonised countries saying
that they don't think the diamonds should be returned, as corrupt
politicians would simply keep them for themselves. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Maybe,
whilst the diamonds are here, money from entrance fees to The Tower of
London should be given to community projects in the countries they're
from?</div></div></span></div> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/01/prince-harry-wildlife-ngo-under-fire-after-elephants-kill-three-malawi-aoe?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1p-m2RzMxghZ_r6rndALPXUn_Iqqtc5Blkw96qZhMo7_dK28FMyLmbitQ#Echobox=1664628809" target="_blank">Prince Harry wildlife NGO under fire after elephants kill three in Malawi</a></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">It
really bothers me that, so far as I can see, both Harry and William
care more about animals than about African human beings (as do plenty of
the public, outrageously)</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">human
beings are only at threat from animals because they destroyed and
encroached on the animals' natural habitat. Making things right for the
animals makes it safer for people. It really bothers me that people are
too stupid to get that.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
not specifically referring to this story. But I also don't know why you
consider this land belongs exclusively to animals such that humans are
wrong for being there</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>You put humans first o matter the cost. I put you in the bin with subhumans who killed Freya</i><br /></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Lumping together entirely separate situations doesn't help. Of course
there must be limits on what humans do to wildlife depending on the
balance of *needs* (as opposed to leisure) and harms in each situation
(maybe the Royals should stop fricking hunting for
sport?). But broadly speaking, of course human beings come first, and
land does not belong exclusively to animals, particularly when the human
beings in question are relatively underprivileged. <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">In
this case, the charity actively moved elephants, themselves
interfering, and did it without carrying out simple measures to keep
humans safe - but my concerns about animals being valued *above* certain
humans is broader than this.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>Your sky fairy told you to steward<br /></i></span><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So
we're going there? Why do you feel the need to call God a sky fairy? It
suggests that you don't understand what theists believe, which you
obviously aren't obliged to, but there's no need to show off the
misunderstanding. I presume that you're trying to
offend me, which you are entitled to attempt of course but it's not a
rational argument - and it doesn't offend me, particularly since it's
such an overused cliche.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
do believe that God wants us to steward creation, that doesn't mean
putting animals above humans, or being OK with humans dying which is
what's happened here. But my view RE humans and animals is not dependent
on theism, I believe that humans are superior because we have
substantially more consciousness than other animals.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">there it is - "superior". Disproven in abundance every single day. If
humans have higher intelligence than animals, they should be making a
much better job of things than they are.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why?
That human beings - particularly collectively - have problems doesn't
in any way negate the reality that we have far more capacity for thought
*and feeling* than lower life forms. (And you're well aware that
intelligent people can make mistakes)<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Lions
cause harm to other animals and sometimes each other, does that make
them less intelligent and feeling than any single cellular organisms
that don't cause harm?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span> <br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/28/stormzy-crowned-diversity-champion-at-aim-independent-music-awards-17469876/?ito=facebooksocialmetroukfacebook" target="_blank">Stormzy announced as Diversity Champion </a><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <i>Dirty N</i><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Do on, do explain. I'm sure you have a great justification.</span><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">(N lovers. Belong locked in cages in the zoo with them).</span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">self explanatory what i think</span></i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">N</span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">o
it's not particularly. Explain why you think that people of colour
deserve to be slandered like that, because I see no rational or
intelligent reason. I think that you're completely illogical, possibly
extremely misinformed.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">explain how they are good in anyway.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">What?
They're human beings just as much as we are. They've done countless
good things. Since you've asked what you have, why do you think that
we, white people are good? More to the police, why do you think that
we're different?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">We
were miles ahead of African countries even before colonisation. You are
using their own dumb argument. They had 60 years to devlop a continent
full of countries. </span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Why
were they not doing anything to industrialise that's how our countries
and others developed. African counties have never been capable of doing
this. </span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">They
are industrialising, there are parts in Africa that are highly
developed. But the continent has been held back by centuries and
£trillions of theft by nations like ours. Our banks and corporations
continue to exploit and take from them (many times more wealth goes from
developing countries to developed countries than is given in Aid). <a class="qi72231t nu7423ey n3hqoq4p r86q59rh b3qcqh3k fq87ekyn bdao358l fsf7x5fv rse6dlih s5oniofx m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk srn514ro oxkhqvkx rl78xhln nch0832m cr00lzj9 rn8ck1ys s3jn8y49 icdlwmnq cxfqmxzd ezidihy3" href="https://gfintegrity.org/press-release/new-report-on-unrecorded-capital-flight-finds-developing-countries-are-net-creditors-to-the-rest-of-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR1x1YxRx9v40ehyVRHzfFP2nE4XspIHv8-HJR47CSlZi0IftlyCQ6PxjmQ" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://gfintegrity.org/.../new-report-on-unrecorded.../</a>
They've not had independence long, and the West enabled corrupt rulers
to take power. China was not colonised and is not exploited today as
African countries are.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
you're doing is ignoring all of the complexities of history, geography,
politics and economics and presuming that some people are fundamentally
biologically different, which is not supported by science. But even if
it were true that there are intellectual differences (which it isn't),
it wouldn't be justification for your comment.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div></div></span></div><div class="aglvbi8b bq6c9xl4 kmdng2my"><div aria-hidden="false" class="c0hsunj1 cdum9rwi opzevih6"><span class="f7rl1if4 adechonz f6oz4yja dahkl6ri axrg9lpx rufpak1n qtovjlwq qbmienfq rfyhaz4c rdmi1yqr ohrdq8us nswx41af fawcizw8 l1aqi3e3 sdu1flz4"><br /></span></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div></div></div></div></span></div></div></div><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"></span></div></div></span></div>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-6519957657004356192022-09-11T15:15:00.001-07:002022-09-11T15:15:06.751-07:00<p>It feels peculiar seeing ongoing fawning over the Royals, whilst reading about the unimaginable horror of the Biafra crisis and other aspects of colonialism. So, so much sadness for one person's death, yet many millions of human beings were oppressed, tortured and killed largely without recognition by our media and political establishment.</p><div><div class="" dir="auto"><div class="d2hqwtrz r227ecj6 gt60zsk1 o9wcebwi" data-ad-comet-preview="message" data-ad-preview="message" id="jsc_c_1f"><div class="alzwoclg cqf1kptm siwo0mpr gu5uzgus"><div class="jroqu855 nthtkgg5"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf n3t5jt4f"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">On Twitter when the Queen died, there were countless people celebrating. I think that they're ignorant of the reality that she didn't have <span><a tabindex="-1"></a></span>power to issue instruction (just as, several weeks ago, Meghan fans were ignorantly laughing that William has an environmental initiative - The Earthshot Prize - whilst our waterways are full of sewage, as though he has control over UK environmental legislation and water infrastructure). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The evils of colonialism can't be attributed to one now deceased woman, they have been the result of barbaric selfishness and racism in the hearts of many politicians and generals. But I need to learn more about this history - and the powers that be in our country should be working far harder to address the enduring ripple effects.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The Royal family has ridiculous wealth largely because of injustices that were carried out before they (the current members and the Queen) were born. As Westerns, most of us - including those Americans joining in celebrating the death of the Queen - though paupers as compared to the Royal family, are wealthy as compared to many people elsewhere in our world, in no small part because of these injustices.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">A few clarifications - I truly hope that God comforts the relatives of the Queen who are grieving.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
so far as I've been able to discern, she was generally a caring person,
I'm grateful for her various positive attributes whilst feeling that
the <a tabindex="-1"></a>extent of reverence for a monarch (any monarch) is odd.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm
also very conscious that, whilst some are exuding misplaced vitriol,
many people around the world have other views. A certain television
personality has responded to the malicious comments by attacking a whole
group. He is illogical to do so.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Whilst
much of the public has at some point said "God save the Queen", I
believe that she was saved whilst much of the public is not. That is to
say, I believe that she accepted Jesus' offer of salvation - offered to
everyone - whilst most Brits <a tabindex="-1"></a>haven't.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If only more people knew that The King - Jesus - offers each of us something greater than any monarchy's riches.</div></div></span></div></div></div></span></div></div></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><p class="kmwttqpk kjdc1dyq l7ghb35v m8h3af8h gkum2dnh" dir="ltr"><span data-lexical-text="true">This is decent piece from The Independent RE the reality that the Queen was not responsible for the atrocities - but the atrocities enacted by our country's leaders (and armies, and corporations) over centuries are so indescribably abhorrent and overlooked here in Britain. People blaming the Queen are incorrect (yet incorrect people are entitled to express their feelings), but it's also incorrect that the passing of one person has quite so much attention and mourning as it does (would she - anecdotally fairly humble as a person - even have wanted quite so many people crying and piling up flowers?) whilst the deaths of so many othes have had so little. </span><br />Apparently a piece from the NYT was (wrongly, I suspect) heavily criticised by monarchists for drawing attention to the empire, and even that piece pointed out the Queen had disagreements with politicians about oppressive foreign policy. The victims of the British empire deserve to be mourned too - we've heard many times in recent days about how the monarchy represents "history", and how this passing is "a historic event", but so much history is overlooked.<br /><span data-lexical-text="true">https://uk.style.yahoo.com/voices-mocking-queen-death-isn-182932365.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sLmZhY2Vib29rLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALSxYGBb-zQ2rtPGCmaqD92ExmTFFeT_2mcjfrQS8eNoIYsjk6wKt47PaWaN4l3BB-qMxGHkoTaSNA9i1viWoMbwSenf6Li1Cv75xAz5sCHnFM3gzwyfwVe33tBunu3msLHHiA0l7WbxS-SJy2Shv4dm_HPAvhCg6VEce66TX9jR&utm</span></p>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-86027633688486227112022-09-11T15:12:00.003-07:002022-09-11T15:12:41.604-07:00<p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></p><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnewsbusters.org%2Fblogs%2Fnb%2Fnicholas-fondacaro%2F2022%2F09%2F09%2Fmulti-millionaire-co-host-view-demands-reparations-usuk%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0KCQTxNFF1q5QFfBzAs9qGx6Ac0v-sl0el7Sw1QXUGU3Qb8d9WvXnrz_U&h=AT1H8MEhVcdAPakGfPP5UqHRKts8gVsc0RqbfMOu11BaIw3miWBvdMHUfZGnWxy59uWlqfhd2hQEcVGgnUufqRnq0I-VDnIGtj-4hrNEK8J8xMt-YCdli9lzftRgvn6xqhfr&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1rnz1-26ISKONDcl7a4kZNeAvVIiIQiTEvu1bb8DyNRsFbOv2jlpFIwS3CtRtjpNUnbA50iztec7ZvPIv0bLuWk7zfR-QJfWeMRXiTEF7ete3wIGbK_qTrdLqskY3kC_zubMrjF1g7KmnwixYdxXp4YIwDPEPuTf95u3sd978Swn0MmvqmnuR8m3ecn98VwCSdvkltVje2Wdw" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Leftist
co-host at The View Sunny Hostin, a multi-millionaire who brags about
her Martha's Vineyard vacations, is demanding reparations</span></a></p><p>As
someone generally on the Left (that is, regarding wealth, state
services, race and the environment - not issues relating to sex), things
like this make me so angry. </p><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
believe that countries like mine (the UK) and the US should be paying
to help those affected by the lasting effects of colonialism today - but
that's those people in our world in severe poverty, not rich Western
individuals who happen to have ancestors that were exploited. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
are people parts of East Africa right now, for instance, literally
starving to death - how dare a multi-millionaire claim that it's they
themselves who should receive funds? </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
was enslaved people who were horrifically, barbarically exploited -
often to death - not her^, it seems outrageous to insinuate that she
should now be compensated for *their* suffering. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Reparations"
seems such an odd word - nothing done today can *repair* the horrors of
history, history happened. But we *should* be acting to address current
injustice and suffering.</div></div></span></div><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>"If you need the threat of hell to be a good person, then you're just a bad person on a leash"</i><br /></span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">This^ is a serious strawman. </span></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Hell
is separation from God (and thus from goodness) for those who choose to
reject Him. There are disagreements amongst theologians about what that
entails, personally I'm an annihilationist (see, for example,
RethinkingHell). Clearly, during history, some Churches have sought to
scare people into obedience by describing hell as suffering forever, I
reckon that Jesus actually suggests that those who choose not to be with
God cease to exist, after justice.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity
means believing that Jesus offers eternal life to anyone who chooses to
truly turn to Him and accept His taking of our deserved punishment. I
know that seems a nonsensical concept, I couldn't adequately explain
here all that I read about the historical accounts that convinced me
that He actually rose and thus proved His claims (so I know I sound like
an idiot). Because we are overjoyed by what He has done for us, we
*want* to follow His guidance, and the Holy Spirit gradually changes us
to be more selfless etc than we were. So we don't behave better to earn
something/avoid something, we *can't* earn forgiveness through good
behaviour. Instead we accept the offer of forgiveness and then behave
better become we develop a desire to. As absurd as Christianity must
seem, this is the experience that I and many others have had - as I've
chosen to follow God I've felt a desire to be less angry, more caring
etc, and my life and actions have been influenced. I'm certainly not
thinking about hell.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Obviously,
there are scores of people, especially in the US, who call themselves
Christians for tribal reasons but demonstrate that they aren't actually
seeking to follow Jesus.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And
of course, most people who have some urge (to varying extents) to do
good things without believing in God - I think of this as being partly
because everyone is made in God's image, but it could be described as
being for evolutionary reasons.</div><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> <br /></span></p><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3U1fYtR%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3nT67n19EQBle2UhbQUSbqD-mIADhxqp-Vzat-Wttw_qUVpAWNhCJJi3Y&h=AT11Q2DmMHDl68r-cxn8AjG6NPMS8a1TLsfDjnmMdPaArRckqgtIlCqw8eZrpH7VfmBKA-gp8X6sqTuEhQGkkLVelFzaogRd2ZDpaNCubQhdEYag6Xxv859p6e4fBPmx3zWH&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT3V2ZoXdVd12yMWMpDDF2DmS4dHnFT_ifxJN7nNb78AxMuxkoB6FSj09WMz0oFsPNqmFJCBvPPrXe-3icCGYttRKa-lv0V9DA7wncqR-ocYLadBazJNZtW1O92x87XcchhOx_uVKqc4A_TjSiuj_E_P-qSAIr5nazV2NTlGyIMq2b4" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Tony Perkins, who has made a career railing against LGBT people—including saying that God sends natural disasters to punish them—had his house destroyed by a natural disaster.</span></a></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">As
a Christian I'm furious with the people who *call themselves*
Christians (calling oneself something doesn't necessarily mean that one
is that thing, like Trump calling himself a genius) yet won't take
climate change seriously. God tells us repeatedly to love our neighbours
and care about the poor - and it's the world's poorest who are
suffering most from climate change.</span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></p><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3cZbjZ1%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2sXW7aVD76YteaR8nlXqTr1SWkTqgbcFSKf6Nd65tgRs1Zzn-hcnPk6lo&h=AT04Selvf9okUE_nc-nQhv-i5lrkTAlROtIgrr5AjMSR-3juez1XhcW4zdYsnxlG7g8Uqwww_KeIeypgQM2sJXWeCFQ3yZdStw0cNrnhD6HFu6qFUPm7SUfqtQWtB1665xtA&__tn__=%2CmH-R&c[0]=AT2oaiAE5DilXLy-up2F1q44_zjMFRLEth-eo_90nyxnseGcPH1gg7Oxc_HrId33pmJbA7ofvQhywJ0YMrdOLUH3XPwY4HdqB1bwtM2BsfQ8dx2P7cu8GVQBqKQ-OBCiIHdIhsRZIsuF2GS0lnhOtir74pizGgW3dLpNBoXGXj9vYw" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">The hot Twitter take that the British Empire was an unalloyed evil</span></a></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
finding it so odd - I absolutely despise the evil done by my country's
empire (and don't support the monarchy), but it wasn't Liz who did it.
People seem to not understand that our monarchy doesn't make the
decisions.</span> <span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Though
it's also the case that our country spends a daft amount of time
discussing the Royals and too little time talking about the people in
our world affected by the ripple effects of colonialism today.</span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></p><p><a href="https://bbc.in/3qmxPOx" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Nana Konadu Agyeman-Rawlings first met Queen Elizabeth as a 14-year-old schoolgirl and then later as Ghana's first lady.</span></a></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Stockholm syndrome at the finest!!! At least the Europeans gave you European Jesus!!!<span class="fxk3tzhb b2rh1bv3 gh55jysx m8h3af8h ewco64xe kjdc1dyq ms56khn7 bq6c9xl4 eohcrkr5 akh3l2rg"><img alt="🤣" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /></span></span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Jesus
was Middle Eastern (and thus brown, not white). I'm sorry that some
people from my part of the world have suggested otherwise (though there
is art from many different cultures depicting Him as the ethnicity of
the artist, I think people do this to relate to Him)</span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></p><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>This is [the Queen's] legacy, the scar's she left in all our hearts today.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>
Over 5 million innocent Bịafra men ,women & children lives cut
short, murdered in a cold blood without any remorse. But she lived her
own life to the fullest.</i></div></div><div class="l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf jikcssrz"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> Those
children she cut down their lives are still fresh in our minds like
yesterday because the bondage in which she put us through all this,
we're still suffering till today.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">I'm
infuriated and disgusted by the things that some people from my country
have done in yours. I desperately wish that my government would give
more money to help where help is needed (as directed by people in the
formerly colonised countries of course). But I'm pretty sure that Liz
(though I'm not in support of our monarchy) was not responsible - army
generals and certain politicians are. She has not had power to make the
decisions (unlike monarchs we had centuries ago).</span></div></div></span></div><p></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Akanu Ibiam Denounced Queen Elizabeth's Knighthood Over Her Involvement in Biafra Genocide</i></div><div class="l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf jikcssrz"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>
In August 1967, the former Governor of old Eastern Region, Dr. Akanu
Ibiam from Uwana in Ebonyi state, returned his knighthood (KBE) to Queen
Elizabeth II, in protest against UK's involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra Civil War.</i></div></div><div class="l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf jikcssrz"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> He also in protest, renounced his English name "Francis" for the same purpose.</i></div></div><div class="l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf jikcssrz"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i> In his statement, "I can't be a Queen's knight and watch the same kingdom be killing my people in Biafra," he said.</i></div></div><p></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't doubt that utter, indescribable evil was done - but here in
Britain the monarch is just decorative (including handing out medals
like knighthoods). Things are referred to as "her majesty's", such as
HMRC (which stands for Her <a tabindex="-1"></a>Majesty'sRevenue and
Customs, it's the government department in charge of tax etc) or HMP
(which stands for Her Majesty's Prisons); and many more, but she doesn't
actually get to decide what's done. Politicians and members of the army
are to blame for the evil done in colonialism (though, centuries ago,
monarchs *did* make some of these decisions).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Here
in Briain, many people have said that the Honours System (that is
knighthoods etc) should change the words it uses - the E in KBE etc
stands for empire because of history, but Britain hasn't had an empire
for ages (I wish my country never had). </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Many
people have rejected Honours Medals offered to them because of their
hatred of the empire, and I respect the decision that they and Dr. Akanu
Ibiam have made a lot. Though 2 people of African heritage who I know
myself decided to accept their medals because they felt showing pride in
their personal achievements was important for their families, they felt
like it didn't mean condoning the empire, so there are different
feelings.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What I want
desperately is for those affected by severe poverty today (because of
ripple effects of colonialism) to be enabled to free themselves from
that poverty - I think that there are political and corporate systems
that need to change for the suffering to stop, the Queen dying doesn't
help anything.</div><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></p><p><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">[The Queen} looted our resources and our people</span></i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When
did *Elizabeth II* invade? The colonising happened before she was
Queen, and as Queen she's not had actual decision making power, it's
politicians who make decisions. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
colonising of Africa is more outrageous than I have words for, and I
believe that the rich within my country, including the Royal family,
should be made to pay substantial amounts to support the development of
things needed in parts of Africa (I am aware that the continent is huge
and endlessly varied) - but I'm pretty sure that Liz was not
responsible.</div><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></p><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F3d7K8Ln%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0OaGtpe_Gd7d1yDWwMJfC30xS_0P0M5ZksOtqTIUSYDmPW62kk8vAQ-cQ&h=AT3p_XH7CNPLKVfLWEVlEqjp56o4ZsQBgkZjYzVV0nTsClOa7l-qdwCStwELnci2oGcy-Gk0Y959cViAvHW4WLJ8-dNB2cYprdlWL_EvgExrNYrcjKYi6z7yxJBbeEMz4Naa&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT0GF9T5v0FAdm4RigDuMbP6fNmpHZSSU-0meLw0aypITVoiE_3pzUKPLGzEOlWjJvJw_V1BdxnLPyGPHv_19v2ilndu2f-ODSBjjLl9-8Ss1Gj7ysIKx5jYq84Zasy8y8UeUXj_J6X_hJtVXe_yzZgxIQzvWcXOkzqaZadjjHS7Z9-y" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">The death of <span></span></span></a><a class="qi72231t nu7423ey n3hqoq4p r86q59rh b3qcqh3k fq87ekyn bdao358l fsf7x5fv rse6dlih s5oniofx m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk srn514ro oxkhqvkx rl78xhln nch0832m cr00lzj9 rn8ck1ys s3jn8y49 icdlwmnq cxfqmxzd d1w2l3lo tes86rjd" role="link" tabindex="0">#QueenElizabethII</a> has reignited the demand to bring back the <span><a class="qi72231t nu7423ey n3hqoq4p r86q59rh b3qcqh3k fq87ekyn bdao358l fsf7x5fv rse6dlih s5oniofx m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk srn514ro oxkhqvkx rl78xhln nch0832m cr00lzj9 rn8ck1ys s3jn8y49 icdlwmnq cxfqmxzd d1w2l3lo tes86rjd" role="link" tabindex="0">#Kohinoor</a></span> diamond to India</p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">I
agree that things like this should be returned - though I reckon it's
important that it benefits that it benefits the people of the country it
was taken from, not simply given to a leader to enjoy, and that it's not a cause of conflict. But I'm finding
it super odd seeing countless people on Twitter blaming the Queen for
all the evil done under the empire - long before she was Queen. There
was so, so much indescribable horror in colonialism - but those who
carried it out (and any leaders *at the time* who sanctioned it) are to
blame, the Queen took the throne when most of it was ending, and unlike
monarchs centuries ago, she did not have political power.</span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></p><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjacobin.com%2F2022%2F09%2Fjames-connolly-british-monarchy-democracy-king-george-royal-family%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0rOb_V-IN9DcWrlCysd-NlA_r6o6jRWFhJekbG-dTTDKrEndgfQ3cuIRg&h=AT01X_wlvRCRWRs0-LklwXQb2Ymsr6ib3LIeAZhC4DCif_VkofeAfI4rcc95h1sqkKS4Vy9sevtBg9_UiBP8wYcIUDLBpXb8XEMSC4vf5fGOsvFfZIpDJvMF-vVJtrsag4N_&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1q1HX9pFeQhZ6nybmLPTHHi9wii4VGnEzP6wc2MtQmeI2dYuFKSs5oaTKZkUROdwb6SmXfrLaTfaYlfhFDK1q89jYVXa1OnytbE8WH7kste_cKpsqrQz3xnObM9NRYm3G8gmOZzp8uu1E8icUlgyc4l7xvNiY4cc8kJg4dnEFCzw" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">The British monarchy is a vestige of tyranny, a grand monument to hierarchy and plunder.</span></a></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">I
think it's outrageous that the monarchy has so much wealth (but this is
also true if other members of the super rich), and most of it should be
given to help the poorest people in the commonwealth. But it's also the
case that Lizzie had better qualities than many of our politicians, and
she somehow made some people smile on occasion.</span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto"> </span></p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/aug/24/texas-church-issues-apology-for-unauthorised-christian-hamilton-that-rewrote-bawdy-raps?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0hAOXOBlJwXnncZyekEevfkWGAFCLZFzT1lT42NzCrf4mwC8wLpX1K4HU#Echobox=1661324933" target="_blank"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Texas church issues apology for unauthorised ‘Christian’ Hamilton - The production changed lyrics, added a ‘repentance’ scene and was followed by a sermon saying God would save people who ‘struggle with homosexuality’.</span></a></p><p><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">And
they just keep on shoving their twisted “Christian “ fundamentalist
hatred at every opportunity, yet they feel </span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> prosecuted”.</span></i></p><p>H<span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">ow did they demonstrate *hatred*?</span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">“</span></p><p><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">You mean other than by suggesting homosexuals need "saving" and by violating copyright?</span></i></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">I
agree that they shouldn't have used someone else's IP, but it's theft,
not hatred. And why do you think that saying people need saving is
*hatred*? (NB, Christianity says that we all need saving).</span></p><p><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">NB,
Christianity says it's not up to us to judge but to God alone and we
should care about our own saving rather than point with fingers at
others.</span></i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Apologies
if this sounds argumentative, but what do you mean by "judge"? Is
having an opinion judging? Is stating what the Bible says judging?
Again, where is the "hate" exactly?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note that the Bible also advises us to judge all things. I <a tabindex="-1"></a>am,
of course, well aware of the verse you've referred to about not judging
*people*, and that there are plenty who call themselves Christians
whilst failing to attempt to emulate Christ (instead harbouring
disdain). But simply believing or stating God's guidance RE sex does not
necessarily mean that a person is holding onto judgemental or hateful
feelings towards *people* (Jesus' prohibition of judgement is about
people), the person could simply disagree with the *thing* (sexual
activity that's contrary to God's guidance).</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
it's absolutely the case that we should not spend time thinking about
other people's actions and should be very, very conscious of own sin.
It's absolutely awful that some so called Christians seem to obsess
about sexuality (though I suspect this is in part because of its
prominence in our culture) rather than focusing on the Gospel. But
mainstream media outlets don't necessarily give us a good picture of
whether this is what's happening, because they tend to ignore all the
other things said by a Church and just quote a non progressive statement
about sex. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We believe
that Jesus died because we *all* sin and need (and are offered)
salvation through Him, but this is too often overlooked by both some
"Christians" and MSM reporting on them.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Telling
people that they need to change who they are because of a nonsensical
adherence to a book written by men about their imaginary friend is
hatred</span></i></div><p>No,
hatred is an intense dislike of a person. Sharing what one believes to
be guidance - RE actions, not people themselves - of a loving and wise
creator does not mean hating people. If
a child urged their sibling to avoid something that they believed their
parent had prohibited, it wouldn't mean that they hate the sibling.
Theists believe that, as a parent understands things far better than
children and gives guidance that sometimes seems unfathomable to their
children, God understands things better than we do - and, like a parent
loves their children, God loves humanity. Of course, if you aren't aware
of (or disagree with) the reasoning that people have to believe in God,
all this seems daft and you're obviously entirely entitled to that view
and to ignoring the guidance - other people's views that you think are
daft don't stop you doing what you choose.</p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">There
are people who wrongly *call themselves* Christian whilst in fact not
trying at all to follow Jesus and His command to love others (that is
people themselves - we can love our neighbour even if we don't support
all of their actions) but not everyone with a traditional understanding
of Biblical teaching on sex falls into that group.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">What
I personally find frustrating (not that I expect anyone to care what I
find frustrating, of course) is that sex always becomes the focus. I
can't remember actually hearing it discussed in a Church service - and
the message of Christianity is that we *all* need, and are offered,
salvation through Jesus. *I* need to change - though not in any sexual
sense - and I don't feel at all "hated" hearing that.</div>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-15201052820457025672022-08-21T17:28:00.001-07:002022-08-21T17:28:47.086-07:00<p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">A day after he called the anger against <span><a class="qi72231t nu7423ey n3hqoq4p r86q59rh b3qcqh3k fq87ekyn bdao358l fsf7x5fv rse6dlih s5oniofx m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk srn514ro oxkhqvkx rl78xhln nch0832m cr00lzj9 rn8ck1ys s3jn8y49 icdlwmnq cxfqmxzd d1w2l3lo tes86rjd" href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/salmanrushdie?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUIVL-NMlhXVQGDCPwk1tOmyjJo7Ip9Veh7SKHP76X8Tisd4ldCN0foFk53ukhjSHFh32gFs9TgTAgsVYlm2BBmbMMmJypbbbE7so3uN9ZipuF0-iiT5VkMJXpuuBuzJNlUSrO28O1q25aa-UB-lZ6nvc3S8IpZWU4jmPhxNnto_A&__tn__=*NK-R" role="link" tabindex="0">#SalmanRushdie</a></span> ‘understandable’, Imran Khan said that his words in a UK Publication were taken out of context.</span></span></p><p><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">Anger
against someone may be "understandable", it doesn't give you the right
to physically attack them. Here in the West, there are plenty of people
mocking and disrespecting my beliefs (Christianity), it does not give me
any right whatsoever to hurt them - and our God is not harmed by their
foolish comments, He is the creator of the universe.</span></p><p></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Right...
But we are not like you... We prefer the Honor of Allah SWT, The Holy
Prophet (PBUH), and Quran over each and everything... If someone kills
us, we might keep silence... If someone burns us alive we might not
speak... If someone insults us, it's okay to some extent... </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>But
when it comes to Allah, The Holy Prophet PBUH, and Quran, then the
world must know that we not only speak, but also react whenever we find a
chance... </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>You don't
know... We can sacrifice our family, wealth, money, and everything which
we own or love, for the sake of protecting the honor of out beloved
Allah, The Holy Prophet PBUH and Quran... </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Recent
incident is the living example... Does the attacker seem to be born at
that time when Rushdie wrote that blasphemous book? Big No! That's what
you need to know and pass it on to your generations... </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Never Blaspheme Islam... Coz it's not freedom of expression, it triggers our aggression... </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If we don't show this aggression to the culprits of blasphemy in our lives, our generations do it. Period.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Your
beliefs do not give you the right to hurt other people. Do you think
that Allah is so weak that he can't cope with human words?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">And attacking people who insult Allah does not defend him, it doesn't increase respect for him - <a tabindex="-1"></a>what it does instead is make more people think negatively of Islam.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>I would simply it for you in short lines... </i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>In our Quran, Allah says, "I love my humans more than 70 mothers do combined". </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Can you bear abuses for your mum or sis? Example, If I say I spent a night with your mother last night... What would be your reaction? Would you let me go or beat me? I bet you would do the second one..If
you can't bear abuses for your mum... How can we bear insults and
abuses for Allah who loves us more than 70 mothers, how can we tolerate
abuses for my beloved Holy Prophet PBUH who used to cry in front of
Allah in the nights to save us from hell? </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>How can we tolerate abuses for our Quran which is not a book merely to us, it's a complete code of life for us...?</i></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">No, I wouldn't beat you. I'd initially be full of extreme rage, but I
wouldn't act to physically hurt you (and note that Rushdie was stabbed
repeatedly, not simply slapped). If I were to hurt you, it wouldn't make
anything any better for my mother. And I would
then reflect on the fact that I'd know that your words (about my mother)
would just be stupid lies. Why not reflect on the things you believe to
be true about your god, which other people's comments do not change?
You and I believe in The One God of Abraham (though we believe some
different things about Him). Insults make *no difference at all* to the
reality of God, He is always infinitely greater than all of the people
who could ever comment on Him and their insulting words are meaningless.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></span><div class="g4tp4svg s8sjc6am hocuxcdc mbznvplt qpyp3sab" style="visibility: inherit;"><div><div><div><span class="f7rl1if4 adechonz f6oz4yja dahkl6ri axrg9lpx rufpak1n qtovjlwq qbmienfq rfyhaz4c rdmi1yqr ohrdq8us nswx41af fawcizw8 l1aqi3e3 sdu1flz4"></span></div></div></div></div><div class="aglvbi8b bq6c9xl4 kmdng2my"><div aria-hidden="false" class="c0hsunj1 cdum9rwi opzevih6"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Okay,
if insulting Islam is freedom of expression, then attempting to kill
Rushdie or any other person who commits blasphemy is FREEDOM OF
ACTION... </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>And these actions will be continued until the blasphemous activities are not stopped. </i></div></div><div class="l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf jikcssrz"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>So the
point is, the world must join heads to heads to figure out some rule
for limiting the freedom of expression... Insulting any religion should
not be considered as freedom of expression, else we have FREEDOM OF
ACTION too... That's all!</i></div></div><i><span class="f7rl1if4 adechonz f6oz4yja dahkl6ri axrg9lpx rufpak1n qtovjlwq qbmienfq rfyhaz4c rdmi1yqr ohrdq8us nswx41af fawcizw8 l1aqi3e3 sdu1flz4"></span></i></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="c0hsunj1 cdum9rwi opzevih6"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Freedom
of action" is not a right (even if it were, it wouldn't make sense that
one person exercising freedom of *expression* entitled another to
freedom of *action*, they're different things). Freedom of expression
means <a tabindex="-1"></a>words/images that do not actually harm people
(as much as people might feel annoyed by them). Actions, stabbing in
this case, cause actual harm. The only way that people are justified in
responding to expressions is with more expression - you are free to
insult Rushdie.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">When you
say these actions will be continued until the blasphemy is not stopped,
do you mean untill it is stopped? Not at all. Blasphemy will always
happen, and the more that Muslims react with violence (I know that many
Muslims never would) the more other people will hate Islam (this will
lead to unfair discrimination against peaceful Muslims too).</div><span class="f7rl1if4 adechonz f6oz4yja dahkl6ri axrg9lpx rufpak1n qtovjlwq qbmienfq rfyhaz4c rdmi1yqr ohrdq8us nswx41af fawcizw8 l1aqi3e3 sdu1flz4"></span></div><div aria-hidden="false" class="c0hsunj1 cdum9rwi opzevih6"><span class="f7rl1if4 adechonz f6oz4yja dahkl6ri axrg9lpx rufpak1n qtovjlwq qbmienfq rfyhaz4c rdmi1yqr ohrdq8us nswx41af fawcizw8 l1aqi3e3 sdu1flz4"><br /></span></div></div></div><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fbring-back-boris-why-swing-voters-dont-trust-truss-or-sunak-0dqxlhdmb%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0A7W23hTwvgUpe-wNZ-OdCZNwRxQG4pREsIG0n8Z2Tj0N0i10mm0cTB6E%23Echobox%3D1661102727&h=AT1bQaZcajiJnIjqAhDAKg2yp_k-PFhZBFYtI3jVUHXMmrLMX6_FdfncTCZL0Cm8hLWCJ-g6VYaYOj8yczi0IsbgB2T-jr4YKPzwyc2MFwd5H51hGNOkUjfJxcPQYFrkH0wl&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT0Y1CXRVDYcjNnez4tr2kPhjmRWpIY4__-oiPat8Y23hFqNeEuWHU14Nh5tNjUSPGdnnGdKGrbWwa7JJuaK4iTDG5cvs8Z661Cpazcfg0nOCruVMbTA5FhKXHd4hivl3M5fn7Rv3m6swLv-200-9nsSTf5xHW-rOguahJOb1aiSy8I" target="_blank"><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Swing/</span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6 ztn2w49o" dir="auto">Conservative voters have “sellers’ remorse” over the ousting of Boris Johnson</span></a></p><div class="d2hqwtrz o9wcebwi b6ax4al1"><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk gh25dzvf"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
was pretty obvious that a bunch of swing voters don't want BoJo
replaced, this isn't news. Many people seemed to have voted for him in
part because they like his personality, and some voted Tory last time to
"get Brexit done" or because they'd been made to feel scared of Corbyn.
</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I'm bemused by how
many people I've seen commenting that they don't like Labour ATM first
and foremost because they think Starmer is *boring*, as though a clown
is what we need as a PM and policies or values are less important.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
Tories' strongest hope ATM is in how they've managed to divert
attention from their utter uselessness in running the country towards
culture war issues. Some voters could end up voting against their own
interests because they're worried about things the Right has
disingenuously and erroneously labelled "woke", and the longer the
Tories remain in power the more the average person will be affected by <a class="qi72231t nu7423ey n3hqoq4p r86q59rh b3qcqh3k fq87ekyn bdao358l fsf7x5fv rse6dlih s5oniofx m8h3af8h l7ghb35v kjdc1dyq kmwttqpk srn514ro oxkhqvkx rl78xhln nch0832m cr00lzj9 rn8ck1ys s3jn8y49 icdlwmnq cxfqmxzd pbevjfx6 innypi6y" href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/costofgreedcrisis?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZW6J6iRwykfSJJUlqXLrdoeSINjCy-PpBfxeRs6sgplWcTh-HfD2VrHfmH9ppgA4sPiezYgN9Kd2xg5856vNgvBy4TnyWBgtgLcHXp4o7yFwjVaOc9WUiyv-DRpahnFnRR4k9TLXAtEv--WVpkLhCWn&__tn__=R]-R" role="link" tabindex="0">#CostOfGreedCrisis</a> whilst public services whither away.</div></div></span></div><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mailplus.co.uk%2Fedition%2Ffeatures%2F214148%2Fwhen-even-the-stairs-are-bossing-us-about-its-time-we-rebelled%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1YWnSyH1ci9BIw_8GEOgeR9zbXMYPh341UgaXnU0rzPLzI6G-w76Q9dEI&h=AT3DgCGf7axGsCKER_mSred2jdficdspVWKohU8k2lrgyhAbdGiDHai0eepB7sz5xnFI4Qi2TykkimkJbZ92yKRBOjQEk3PzZsFC05WD2mtp7eU8ONSLFizsfZXeaH0RCRm0&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1XcPQPvysXvEw1zJLjAdOxY3uK14Ydhg1TTAt9idREHb1C4EwHl2ZaIqTE4gBCcHj03QXUmcg8lXadjjFLnylfUcMDtJsbufZb8YNCDYmUtbwEAaBsUzqD3mBfHS6iujDhvoGer8TYTjZlvzYejoePCVPQ_f70-cfPa3oAosWNtQ" target="_blank">When Even the Stairs are Bossing Us About, it'sTime We Rebelled</a><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL
why? Are you not able to evaluate guidance and make your own decisions?
It's quite right for advice to be given to minimise various problems,
there's no need to get stubborn about it. Advice doesn't cause you any
harm, why be offended? This <a tabindex="-1"></a>headline sounds like the thinking of a bolshy small child.</span><span class="gvxzyvdx aeinzg81 t7p7dqev gh25dzvf exr7barw b6ax4al1 gem102v4 ncib64c9 mrvwc6qr sx8pxkcf f597kf1v cpcgwwas m2nijcs8 hxfwr5lz k1z55t6l oog5qr5w tes86rjd pbevjfx6" dir="auto" lang="en">LOL
why? Are you not able to evaluate guidance and make your own decisions?
It's quite right for advice to be given to minimise various problems,
there's no need to get stubborn about it. Advice doesn't cause you any
harm, why be offended? This <a tabindex="-1"></a>headline sounds like the thinking of a bolshy small child.</span></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;">"</span><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Africa has been held back by taking on British religion"</span><br /></p><div class="ecm0bbzt e5nlhep0 a8c37x1j"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Note
that Christianity did not come from Britain originally. It began in the
Middle East and spread here via the Roma empire. It existed earlier in
other parts of Africa. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But
to follow Jesus is a decision for each person. Every person in the
world should work out their own beliefs. But it is likely that many
people who call themselves Christians, even some who are priests, are
actually not, because their actions show that they are not trying to
follow Christ. Before Christianity existed and still today around the
world, it can be a human tendency to claim to be religious as a way of
making oneself feel better whilst indulging one's greed and selfishness.
If the leaders of my country had truly been following Jesus, they would
not have carried out the evils of colonialism.</div></div></span></div><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> </span></p><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fhard-left-academics-plotted-gender-id-witch-hunt-on-colleagues-fdqnq5cb9%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR04kJcm7YXtvu6Xnadj8ac_bHTYOJn-FniYdAdWItz3RpK70cpsM0uuwnE%23Echobox%3D1660148104&h=AT2PhrBQDU1tonL_U9tcE97i-gFt10M2Ift-pPmZQdTMoMTHVPgy7LsUJ1Jl4khQ94o_KXrnzHYX9z5SOhIB_ATAYTpzROwG4hqlRMY14SXUlPDfKmNdWaWjfDjkkoZ3GRTb&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT04ZmK9cqq15S7ssNP0ibd1U5fuxOdzGzQSVSaAzDeYqdia6A1IpHXDCpfeys80JR-oJyd9XgW5CufvJOYfFVXkakPWWY-OgBgFWUibNKScSkIIunheNRM9iXMulJgcsa29yr7U8eT5qunuTm9r6EOPflli1FM8tssN7nLVWfCGybgY02YJiaqjNTz03lyaeci65vB6-w" target="_blank"><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Hard-left academics "plotted gender ID witch hunt" on colleagues</span></a><br /></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">"Left"
is not a useful word here. Issues of gender are very, very different
from issues of wealth distribution or "the means of production being
owned by the workers". What proportion of, for instance, Corbyn and his
fans' time is spent on redefining "woman"?</span><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">I agree but the left have embraced this nonsense.</span></i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"the
Left" as defined how? Ultimately it doesn't matter all that much in
itself, in that debates need to be had on their own issues rather than
on the basis of who supports which stances. But each individual has
their own set of views. "The Left" could potentially refer to the half
of the population that's further Left than the other half, but only a
tiny minority refer to the ideas described here^. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">If
you use Twitter (which is arguably on average more Left of centre than
Right) you'll see that people are arguing about trans/gender constantly -
and there are plenty opposing the movement who are on the Left. For
instance, many feminists are very angry, as are some LGB people, about
the redefining of woman/man/male/female etc.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
very Left wing pages/outlets and figures I follow barely ever mention
this debate. They're spending their time criticising the Tories; arguing
that things would be better ATM if Corbyn had won; calling for
renationalisation; supporting efforts to fight climate change; and
occasionally discussing Israel/Palestine. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">when
someone says something counter-revolutionary, not only are they out,
but anyone who supported them or failed to denounce them is out too.
That is Stalinism.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> <span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">"Left
vs Right" in politics is terminology that originated in pre-revolution
France, where supporters of the king sat on his right whilst those who
wanted *wealth and power to be more equally distributed* sat on his
left. What you've described is a type of totalitarianism, and
totalitarianism is not specifically Left nor Right. That Stalin
purported to be on the Left doesn't mean that he's in any way
representative of those who actually want wealth/power to be more
equally distributed, and for *workers to own the means of production*</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">(</span><span>Of course, the billionaire-owned Torygraph doesn't want wealth distribution to be less unjust, so it uses things like this in an attempt to manipulate voters.)</span></div><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id hzawbc8m" dir="auto"> </span></p><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fabortion-2022-midterm-elections-health-wisconsin-race-and-ethnicity-df86579fa29c2aebf405a67d937898ec%3Futm_campaign%3DTrueAnthem%26utm_medium%3DAP%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3OmKiacqWfKGnWUOPg-ICj89aOGjG3tryuows8FSVlNmMVETYnx_pJ7ro&h=AT2WC2eh9UNYPix81HkiAN4ZY1hcs0g9QerQwRn2_a71uucw1gFN2lqC6xwRG2t8y66yH8K9p6eE4c5gEidg4zgGx1mA1O1jUV0WOOM2YYYhxvCh-MF0ex99H361KeZ-Kmiy&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1WgCrJAu0IMfbpcPJ7lVkm8dyqbCBoDSJ9Rn_awE6ZAzkSlO1BQrp9137CYl4w6QU_wnzAGIq381faHR5bb2oTw9qtHvGAhFa7ZPoEaokNpbpiCMmLat3-n9zv_V5BqTYErAWg_82sgx5s0xC95o7e_Zuz-AfnFmJqgqSEQoQ5uA" target="_blank"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id hzawbc8m" dir="auto">Democrats think abortion will carry them to election wins. But they might fail to mobilize: Black voters.</span></a></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Amazing how many people here are choosing to use the word "enslaving".</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Explain how stealing 9 months and perhaps another 18 years is not enslavement by your religion.</span></i> </p><p>What does "my religion" have to do with this? Enslavement
is forced work and the loss of freedom - and historically has included
unfathomable brutality. To use the word to refer to pregnancy is plainly
disregarding the horror faced by the ancestors of African Americans
discussed here.<i> </i></p><p><i>You do not have science, so you have a weak religion belief.</i><i> It is called "Labor" because it is work. Carrying a fetus for 9 months is work. In some cases it is brutal.</i><i> It is slavery, no matter what excuses you pretend.</i><i> Rapists
and the incestuous love the new Christian Fundamentalist States of
America's new court-created law. Control and cruelty are the purposes.</i> </p><p>Seriously, with all due respect, what are you on about? When did I mention religion or oppose science? Again,
refering to pregnancy as "enslavement" disregards the horror that
actually enslaved people have endured. It's a biological process
resulting from sex, not the imposition of selfish evil by "fellow man"
that the slave trade was.<i> </i></p><p><i>[Assertions of believing that the Earth is 6000 years old,and of supporting human sacrifice] </i></p><p>Jesus
gave Himself, He was not "sacrificed by God". Why exactly do you find
Him taking on the punishment we deserve so objectionable? And again, why
are you bringing it up here? (Also no, Christianity doesn't teach that the planet is 6000 years old)<i> </i></p><p><i>c<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">ount
the “begats” and it clearly dates the planet and omits the dinosaurs. I
find lies objectionable and the Bible is full of them, mixed with some
old Jewish wisdom but riddled with falsehoods and fables.</span></i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Begat"
does not mean that they literally fathered them, it can refer to later
descendants - but it's also not the case that Adam is considered the
beginning point of the Earth, the word translated "day" in the beginning
of Genesis does not refer to 24 hour periods. There are varying
understandings of Genesis amongst Christians, but it's widely accepted
that the creation account is not precisely literal, it reflects poetic
styles from the time of writing.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The
message that human beings are loved and are all offered forgiveness is
abusive? Really? (And personally I'm very aware that I'm seriously
flawed, I've never felt feel "abused" by that being acknowledged)<i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> <br /></span></i></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></div></div><p><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbnews.uk%2Fnews%2Fthames-water-plans-to-announce-hosepipe-ban-in-coming-weeks-as-dry-weather-continues%2F350406%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR195S8cmQgjO8ZxAdKJFG1VoOMTxYnTgTrzSprBSuwHgzyPANEyxfvDXtY&h=AT3R2fU9-1osO5m_kpIv5jAaE-xscFTlUOBpI_8pO3kynFf7OUjpxwobi3aAcBsX_qZjWdHQBvv5GetSe5dyR8oWUkzBxpCCWy16GKH7srQfuFjk0DZryo3zKi-X3TVSfyN0&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT1pk1fSB3DKp9g1HL4H0IJDhDdqdwrDst3DollaUZ1EKNBF22JWNHMgRsI1wzwpFNWUofnIqpUqHCiCvXc1P2R7kLTuivhXDCtjs-Vqla6GXXaZ-TJfEPJBpE250TsabBEmn3zsl5CubgTdj7UMnQ8wqecQ_QwBAyr23XCusSOcdg" target="_blank"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id hzawbc8m" dir="auto">Another hosepipe ban looks set to be introduced...</span></a></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Water
companies have been making an atrocious mess. But that doesn't change
the fact that we, the public, also need to be sensible. We are not
entitled to hoses nor green gardens. A chunk of humanity doesn't even
have water to drink, we should think about the more often and remember
how fortunate we are.</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">surely if we pay for it we should be entitled to it? We're not in a 3rd world country!</span></i></p><p>N<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">o.
You having money doesn't mean that you are entitled or that what you
want to buy is available and accessible. And the fact that we're lucky
enough to be born into a rich country (made rich largely by the
exploration of others, as much as this wasn't our choice) doesn't mean
that we deserve more than other human beings - we should be worrying
about human beings who don't have drinking water, not brown lawns.</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">we
live on an island we're surrounded by the stuff! Have a look how many
millions of gallons are leaked through thr water company pipes. Your
statement makes zero sense. You're basically saying we should pay for
something we're not entitled to and thd water companies can get filthy
rich without providing it. My local company is called Anglian water for
a reason lol</span></i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
already blamed water companies. And that we're surrounded by water
doesn't mean that it can be magicked into your garden nor that it's even
the same thing - sea water is not rain water, it's full of salt and
other impurities.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">We pay
for water, not limitless water. We have taps, flushing loos, showers -
those are what we get for our water bills and what we need, not hoses. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Also, the headline is about my area's water company not yours, so why are you complaining?</div><p></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;">The storytellers facing violent threats: what’s going on with drag queens in libraries?</span><br /></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Why is The Times supporting Drag Queen Story hour? Why do people want to be in drag to read to children?</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Because kids enjoy it... Unlike the religious bs you spout online</span></i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">What
BS exactly? You use "unlike" as though what one writes in social media
should be entertaining children. Though for the record, plenty of
children are interested in God, as much as you might hate that.
Personally, when I was a kid I somewhat enjoyed Sunday school and
Christian kids books/videos - though I didn't believe until I was much
older, and I didn't enjoy watching drag (nor pantomime dames) - that's
just my experience, but I'm not sure what you're basing your
generalisation on (?)</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Kids tend to live and let live... People can be unique and different. The protesters would have caused fear.</span></i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">That comment, linguistically, implies that children are not people.</span></p><p><i>No you're just mentally ill. We've established this many times now Gracie....</i><i>Kids don't have hate that adults do! People like you indoctrinated into religious mythology and spreading hate</i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"no
you're just mentally ill. We've established this many times now" is
such a hilarious attempt to make yourself feel superior without looking
at the discussion. Telling other people that they're mentally ill
essentially demonstrates that you have no arguments, and imaging you've
"established" this is too funny. You could only have "established" that
someone is "mentally ill" if your qualified - and even if they are, it
doesn't prove that their comments are incorrect. If you're so
cognitively superior as you seem to think you are, you'll be able to
address what they've actually written rather than making immature Ad
Hominems.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Your comment
contrasted "kids" with "people", therefore implying, at a linguistic
level at least, that these are 2 distinct, separate groups. That's all I
wrote. How exactly am I "spreading hate"?</div><p><i>you support religion, religion spreads hate. Ergo you spread hate. Glad to have been of help <span class="pq6dq46d tbxw36s4 knj5qynh kvgmc6g5 ditlmg2l oygrvhab nvdbi5me sf5mxxl7 gl3lb2sf hhz5lgdu"><img alt="👍🏼" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tf8/1/16/1f44d_1f3fc.png" width="16" /></span></i></p><p>H<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">ow are you defining religion exactly?</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">you
think there’s a magical sky-fairy called God who created man, despite
the clear scientific evidence of evolution. That’d be a starting point
for “religion” </span></i></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;">I</span><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">t seems that you've misunderstood Christianity (for one thing, many
Christians believe in evolution), but how exactly would your definition
equate to "spreading hate"?</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">if
magical sky fairy created man in the garden of Eden, and all that guff,
how can you also believe in evolution. Sounds like some very confused
people to me.</span></i></p><p>W<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">ith
all due respect, why exactly is that you think you're informed about
Christianity? I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative, but you've
made it clear that you're not at all acquainted with the thing you're
judging.</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">I
went to a church school for years, I was forced to go to church for
years. I was force fed all the stories for years. Luckily I was able to
see past it and moved away from it as soon as I could. So believe me,
it’s informed.</span></i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">I
was taken to Church and attended Church school, those things don't by
any means necessarily provide good insight. I'm genuinely surprised that
you were unaware that many Christians believe in evolution. Have you
read writings or listened to lectures by Christian academics? Again, how
does your description translate to hate?</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"><i>I agree, religion is bad. Repent. Turn away from religion. Get your own thoughts</i>.</span></p><p>S<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">orry,
you've still not defined religion(?) What point are you trying to make
exactly? Why do you think I don't "have my own thoughts"?</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">that’s
ok. I don’t have to do what you say. But anyway … religion is believing
in some “higher power” … some named entity that you think made the
world or rules the afterlife or whatever. And you don’t allow yourself
to deviate from what that “religion” (or cults as we call them) thinks,
because it’s “un-Christian”.</span></i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Again I'm wondering what exactly you're basing your presumptions about me, or other Christians, on(?)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why would believing in a creator mean that we don't "have our own thoughts"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Consider
too that most people believe in some ideology/worldview/rules about
life even if they don't believe in a creator. And some of the most
fundamental views that we take forgranted as normal in Western society
are derived from Christianity, which held very different tenets to prior
Western cultures.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Crucially,
Christ taught us to love others. We may not *agree* with their views or
actions, but that is not in itself "hateful" as you've stated
previously - however, there are of course plenty of people who've called
themselves Christians whilst harbouring unloving attitudes, and they
are failing to follow Christ's teachings when they do so - the problem
is not Christianity, the problem is that human beings can be hateful, or
instinctively dislike the unfamiliar.</div><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Jessica Alba has criticised Marvel for its lack of diversity, claiming the flicks are "still quite caucasian" since her day as Susan Storm in 2005's Fantastic Four.She told Glamour that, "it's still quite… more of the same." </span></p><p>Why are so many celebrities so much keener to say things like this than to use their platforms and wealth to help the (non-white, as it happens) people in our world's greatest need? There are, for instance, millions of people starving in parts of East Africa right now, could she help raise awareness of their plight? Or is she, whilst implying that others are racist, only concerned about people living in her own part of the world?
<i> </i></p><p><i>People starving in western countries too!
Demons love to Target Africa the continent instead of pinpointing a small region/villages in one of the 54 countries which you people love to highlight to milk you devils for money 💰</i> </p><p>Sorry, are you calling me a demon/devil on the basis of me being white? You can if you want, but why have you?
And I'm well aware that Africa is hugely diverse. I specifically stated that there's currently famine in *parts of East Africa*, not all of East Africa let alone the whole continent. Naming more specific regions/villages wouldn't help, because most people here don't have detailed knowledge of the geography of other continents. But you seem to be lumping all white people together by using words like "demon", so perhaps you should stop doing that whilst you're demanding greater specificity(?)
And I'm aware that there are people in need in Western countries, but there's not starvation in the same way that there is in famine zones. At least we have benefits, food banks and lots of local charities, which many people are very aware of and keen to give to - there are people elsewhere who don't have those and are literally dying of starvation. I really care about them, why does that bother you? I mentioned people outside of the West because of the OP - Jessica Alba is claiming that people of colour are overlooked by Marvel (this could be a legitimate comment, only the Marvel films starring POC listed in this comments section suggest she's mistaken). I'm concerned that people of colour in our world are overlooked, in the sense that many people of colour outside of the West are disadvantaged by long term ripple effects of colonialism that made the West rich, yet in the West they're largely ignored (in contrast to responses to the war in Ukraine, or events in the US).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img alt="May be an image of text that says "In the Book of Numbers, there's an adultery test for women called "the Ordeal of the bitter water". The fact that The Bible doesn't have an adultery test for men should make it clear for any woman that The Bible was written by misogynistic men, not an omnibenevolent god."" class="i09qtzwb n7fi1qx3 datstx6m pmk7jnqg j9ispegn kr520xx4 k4urcfbm bixrwtb6" height="287" src="https://scontent.flhr10-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271925332_4754157784680599_2157274787507520400_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s720x720&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=bAZDduCY4E8AX8Y2Ie4&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-2.fna&oh=00_AT8xrpJ7Fl0Ebv-1yhkECFArZ36HJROdt2L8KwhZAOm-VQ&oe=62E8D852" width="412" /><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Many
issues here, but for one thing, the Bible is a compilation of ancient
texts, it doesn't make sense to judge the entire Bible by the attitudes
you infer from the Pentateuch</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">It's
all Bullshit, & nothing Jesus really taught or said is in that
book! The high elites of the church back then didn't want him spouting
out the truths & had him put to death! The new Testament was
written decades after Jesus past by men whom put their own spin to the
tales, to make themselves look grand! Jesus would have never wanted a
religion named after him, especially when Christianity doesn't preach
anything about what he was trying to teach!</span></i></p><p>"the high elites of the church put Him to death"? With all due respect, that makes no sense. And no, the Gospels don't make the authorities, nor the apostles, "look grand". What are you basing your assertions on exactly? What is it that you think Jesus taught but was covered up?</p><p><i>Jesus
himself in the Bible states he was angry at the Church & threw over
the table of money. The Jewish church leaders asked the Romans to kill
him, as they saw him as a threat! The Romans really didn't care about
Jesus, as he was not a threat to them, but did it to keep peace in that
part of the land where he lived.</i><i> Read
the many books that unfortunately never made it into the Book, you
might get a different perspective, but then all those books were written
by men & men only! Oh except one book, Mary Magdalene's book.</i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">So
the Bible tells us about Jesus turning over tables in the temple and
you're angry with the Bible for hiding that He turned over tables in the
temple?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It was the
religious authorities who wanted rid of Jesus, and conspired to have Him
killed - they, and those with whom Jesus got angry, were NOT the
Church, why do you think that they were? They were Jewish (though
obviously not representative of Jewish people, nor even, according to
Jesus, of the Jewish faith). The Church didn't yet exist, because the
Church is the followers (or claimed followers) of Jesus. Eventually,
people joined the Church community whilst not actually seeking to follow
Jesus (and this is super obvious in the US today) - but in the
immediate period after His ministry, there was extreme persecution for
followers, and this has continued in some parts of the world.</div><p><i>I
am not talking about the Christian Church, it was the heads of the
Jewish Temple that asked the Romans to kill him, as they saw him as a
rebel & trouble maker, & that is why the Romans agreed to kill
him! If you read the
Lost books, the so called Forgotten books, you will get a different
version to whats in the Bible, then you can make your own conclusions.</i><i> I
am not angry what Jesus said or did, he is one of the few Great Master
Teachers sent here to help us & he was against the establishments of
his times, & I admire him! The Lost books speak of his lost yrs
from a teenager until he started teaching his knowledge in his early
30's, which the Bible neglects to do!</i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">"Christian
Church"? The Church is Christian, or people pretending to be Christian
(though in modern times, some cults and spiritualists also use the word)
- the word was not used for Jewish believers/religious authorities.
That's semantics, but what's erroneous is that you've been lumping
together 2 separate groups/movements. You've blamed the Church for
killing Jesus and consider this a reason for deeming the Bible BS, but
the people who wrote the Bible were not the people who brought about
Jesus' death. And the Bible clearly *does* critique the religious
authorities of the time (who were Jewish though, again, this does not
mean that the rest of the Jewish community/Jewish people today are in
any way to blame, which *should* be obvious); it's also critical about
the early Churches and apostles - it is *not* written to make religious
leaders/elites sound good as you've suggested.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Though
the earliest discovered copies of the Gospels were written a few
decades after Jesus, Paul's letters - attesting to The Gospel - are
earlier, and the texts are dated far closer to the events than other
ancient texts are. Most people did not read/write, but their culture had
specific skills in oral communication. Christianity did not have links
to power for a long time after Jesus - so the New Testament was not
written to make people "look grand". It seems as though you're imagining
powerful, politically affiliated, potentially corrupt Church leaders of
later centuries - but the early Church was a collection of powerless
followers who were heavily persecuted.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Were
it the case that the Bible had been written by elites to make
themselves look grand, it wouldn't have all of the warnings against
false profits and greed that it does. The message of the New Testament
is that salvation is only through Jesus - not paying/sucking up to any
elites; people are equal in importance before God; and we MUST help the
poor. Of course, plenty of power hungry individuals over the centuries
and today have taken advantage of others by misrepresenting Jesus'
message (and this has been a phenomenon across history - the Bible
documents Jesus telling off religious elites for failing to truly follow
God's commands - the OT - because they didn't care about the poor).</div><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id hzawbc8m" dir="auto">Call
on the UK Government to champion stronger health systems around the
world. Protect children before, during and after future crises. <span><a class="oajrlxb2 g5ia77u1 qu0x051f esr5mh6w e9989ue4 r7d6kgcz rq0escxv nhd2j8a9 nc684nl6 p7hjln8o kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x jb3vyjys rz4wbd8a qt6c0cv9 a8nywdso i1ao9s8h esuyzwwr f1sip0of lzcic4wl gpro0wi8 q66pz984 b1v8xokw" href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/futuresatrisk?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZWsgdQbpiQ1cLo_yD9ZbjYNM3RumlcmSW-Axp-m90MNy8BGmBmSKuUqcmmZqZr37FXTRqdw7El6hrWDZeWX0TKervzYhMQI5VTDxlBVxmeEZ7sGor379oQtAzHux1C-6g8&__tn__=*NK-R" role="link" tabindex="0">#FuturesAtRisk</a></span></span></span></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Fascinating
how many of the comments here are about UK issues. Why are we so
incapable of thinking about people elsewhere in our world, in the very
greatest need?</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">because now it's us in that situation.</span></i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">No,
we really aren't. Many people outside of Western world could only dream
of the healthcare access we have, even with its serious shortcomings.</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">I
hear you but there are some in desperate situations with things like
their housing and finances who really do need help first and foremost
and they don't get it xx</span></i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></p><p>W<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">hat do you mind by "first and foremost"?</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">before
we start worrying about other countries problems. The money is there to
tend to everyones needs and it's those in power who are withholding it
and it leads to unfair distribution</span></i></p><p><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Why "before"?</span><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">stop it now. I have answered your questions adequately and you are now being silly.</span></i></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i></p><p>N<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">o
you haven't, I'm genuinely wondering about your rationale. People in
poorer countries have far less health care than we do, and each £ can
make far more impact to them than it can here, I don't understand why
you think they shouldn't be helped until everything is sorted here.</span></p><p><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></i></p><p><i>Think
of it like this Grace. Would you prefer to spend your money on your
family or give it all to the homeless people who are in greatest need. Britain
and the British are family so spend money at home looking after our
family first before spending it on countries whose principle occupation
is producing babies to starve and suffer.<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Britain
gave foreign aid to help people in Zimbabwe only Robert Mugabe spent it
on a fleet of expensive cars for himself properties in Europe and at
home and filled his personal Swiss bank account with funds meant for the
countries poor. STOP FOREIGN AID AND SPEND IT ON DOMESTIC AID AND
REPATRIATION OF FOREIGNERS.</span></i></p><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Do
you have evidence for that? Or, more importantly, that that reptesents
how Aid is spent now? Some Aid is not spent well (WHICH IS TRUE OF GOV
SPENDING IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS), the solution is to improve it, not cut
it.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">RE your earlier
question, obviously I DO spend many times more on helping people in
developing countries than on gifts for my family members, and I put a
lot of time into finding gifts that my family members would like/have
asked for on sale om charities. "Britain and the British are family" is
nonsense, why would I care more about people I don't know in Britain
than about people elsewhere? We love our families because we know them
and have close relationships with them, there's no reason to put people
we don't know in Britain before people elsewhere who are in greater
need.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Saying STOP
FOREIGN AID AND SPEND IT ON DOMESTIC AID AND REPATRIATION OF FOREIGNERS
is irrational. Foreign Aid is less than 0.5% of our GDP, and can help
people in far greater need than people here (including people who would
be overjoyed to have access to food banks), and each £ can make many
times more impact (such as buying many times more meals) in impoverished
countries than it can here. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Our
country is one of the richest in the world, because it's been taking
from other countries for centuries and STILL TAKES MANY TIMES MORE THAN
IS GIVEN IN AID <a class="oajrlxb2 g5ia77u1 qu0x051f esr5mh6w e9989ue4 r7d6kgcz rq0escxv nhd2j8a9 nc684nl6 p7hjln8o kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x jb3vyjys rz4wbd8a qt6c0cv9 a8nywdso i1ao9s8h esuyzwwr f1sip0of lzcic4wl gpro0wi8 py34i1dx" href="https://gfintegrity.org/press-release/new-report-on-unrecorded-capital-flight-finds-developing-countries-are-net-creditors-to-the-rest-of-the-world/?fbclid=IwAR10-FKUquB5KkB4H3FUbinHptW9J015grIzFXBpkKWbJF9Y4WiBJ9O4MM4" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://gfintegrity.org/.../new-report-on-unrecorded.../</a>
but certain rich and powerful figures have enabled the inequity of
wealth distribution within the country to grow whilst duping people like
you into blaming "foreigners"</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><strike><img alt="May be an image of 2 people and text" class="i09qtzwb n7fi1qx3 datstx6m pmk7jnqg j9ispegn kr520xx4 k4urcfbm bixrwtb6" height="720" src="https://scontent.flhr10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/296342899_171719972028581_1108687929816084936_n.jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg_s720x720&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=8OfGzZ3XW70AX_JYHCZ&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr10-1.fna&oh=00_AT_4z69mZjPcLvyuW0BwwSEQhreRKeQZs_95nVEI0XgBwQ&oe=62EC516A" width="522" /></strike></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="ecm0bbzt e5nlhep0 a8c37x1j"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Her
ancestry is irrelevant, but it's quite funny that she thinks her
husband's German ancestry somehow renders them innocent of crimes
against humanity. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Ultimately,
people alive today are not responsible at all for what other people did
in the past - but because we benefit from the resulting ongoing
injustice, we have a responsibility to support progress and to give to
those who are most disadvantaged in our world. And as human beings, we
should be utterly horrified by the evils of the slave trade, not seeking
to be ignorant. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I find
it baffling how some people think that they're "being made to feel
guilty" - you're not guilty of enslavement itself so why feel guilty? Is
it because your conscience is nagging at you for enjoying a privileged
wealthy lifestyle, such as believing "your vacation" is a sacred
entitlement, whilst there are people elsewhere in our world in extreme
poverty?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="e-headline u-heading-1" data-test="headline" itemprop="headline" style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/04/sandi-toksvig-accuses-justin-welby-risking-lives-gay-marriage/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1wjUKjhVk5Q59gNWc3DRhzV2wqkIQ1cK0OpViVUHfcFoAFV2gf9z4qKyI#Echobox=1659646146">Sandi Toksvig accuses Justin Welby of ‘risking lives’ with gay marriage stance</a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div class="ecm0bbzt e5nlhep0 a8c37x1j"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Sorry,
but why does she think she knows about this? Her letter demonstrates
that she's really not informed about the theological arguments in this
debate. And frankly, it seems disrespectful to those who attempt suicide
to suggest that it could be avoided if only Welby would announce
support for certain sexual relationships.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Welby
has, rightly, made clear that those who choose to follow Jesus are
welcomed members of the Church irrespective of their sexual orientation.
And whilst there may be instances of some Church leaders being
genuinely unkind - therefore unChristlike - to some people because of
their sexuality, this is not at all the same as Welby refusing to change
the Church's definition of marriage.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Christianity is about Christ, who offers anyone who turns to Him, eternal life.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">Christianity is proven mythology</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">"Proven" how exactly?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">probably the same way you can prove eternal life, or the resurrection.</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">D<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">o
elaborate. Events can have evidence or witness testimonies, how has
Christianity been "proven" mythology in "the same way" as the
resurrection or eternal life?</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>h<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">ow
do you think you can prove eternal life or the resurrection? If Jesus
was born again , why did he not share how to do this with the rest of
humanity, then we would have no death or is he/she just selfish and far
too important.</span></i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">He
rose from death, He wasn't born again. He made possible eternal life,
ie heaven, which is far better than life on Earth - He didn't come to
bring about an end to biological reality and a population crisis. </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
only came to believe in the resurrection myself after reading books by
academics on reasons for concluding that it was an actual historical
event, I'm not going to be able to convince you here. If you're
genuinely interested you could with articles like <a class="oajrlxb2 g5ia77u1 qu0x051f esr5mh6w e9989ue4 r7d6kgcz rq0escxv nhd2j8a9 nc684nl6 p7hjln8o kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x jb3vyjys rz4wbd8a qt6c0cv9 a8nywdso i1ao9s8h esuyzwwr f1sip0of lzcic4wl gpro0wi8 py34i1dx" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%2Fthe-resurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3fqVGFwKZhQNRlDTiNfp6POnklxpDa5ia-CzDyMlaCcD3WLDEm06hxRw4&h=AT0DyRlV4y7V3E0oHc94szcnl8P5fUzNYqHRn_NT-9dxhylR3EGDjqCmO9P3bMPS2XP6KWx5QhplqUe0J3Nlfy9wF6Z7hTAIwqyvb-nRMCAIvT-PGdetqkAwqzJh32iCr6MR&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT2-uHkJwsEcnrwKXx1vY_bcuOtfXYulQ3z0hMKFZu_nR-A80bDZBJNAqPM_lo3ZxrrGrBsWlBCwq5zvhhT-CQ54cd_9Mwo5qPjYPmMv-XGFr-Fig4uLPQepljMRd5LM5Q4QahGjODFvIc-U5q6edy8H2-DqqvN_CygvihdNoc4fTycs" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection</a> ; <a class="oajrlxb2 g5ia77u1 qu0x051f esr5mh6w e9989ue4 r7d6kgcz rq0escxv nhd2j8a9 nc684nl6 p7hjln8o kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x jb3vyjys rz4wbd8a qt6c0cv9 a8nywdso i1ao9s8h esuyzwwr f1sip0of lzcic4wl gpro0wi8 py34i1dx" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Fwritings%2Fpopular-writings%2Fjesus-of-nazareth%2Fthe-resurrection-of-jesus%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR037lV5-zWh7iIDXk2WQ0LGsfhDIzRGvP53dxluQ5USTOuj5nzPkvGuesU&h=AT0w2XIVs5_q2kJOfmOkRZDY8j3_94c4935IMtpsoHwhHR2TzYMMtp2p3QcoxdUb76LkCJ4X7ez-EeHjC3KqUWUugok-4XHsytHHofW0QQmGeIx7tKkGZD_DmkWmqKwx1-2v&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT2-uHkJwsEcnrwKXx1vY_bcuOtfXYulQ3z0hMKFZu_nR-A80bDZBJNAqPM_lo3ZxrrGrBsWlBCwq5zvhhT-CQ54cd_9Mwo5qPjYPmMv-XGFr-Fig4uLPQepljMRd5LM5Q4QahGjODFvIc-U5q6edy8H2-DqqvN_CygvihdNoc4fTycs" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://www.reasonablefaith.org/.../the-resurrection-of...</a> ; or books like Who Moved The Stone, and weigh up the issue for yourself.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">But still, you've not explained what proof you have that Christianity is mythology.</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">absolutely
not, because its all rubbish. There was no population crisis 2000 years
ago, why did he/she choose eternal life in a mythical place, why not
here on earth? How did he manage to come back to life when we cannot
manage it with all the medical advances we have today?</span></i></div></div></span></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">How exactly do you think that you know something you haven't read is "all rubbish"?</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
do you think it'd be better for people to all live on Earth forever
than to have the offer of heaven? (And the fact that there wasn't a
population crisis 2000 years ago isn't relevant, there'd rapidly have
been massive issues if everyone just stayed alive on Earth indefinitely) <div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The world isn't 6000 years old. No 35ft tall Ashem and Chav (aka Adam and Eve). Nur (Noah) his ark of impossibility. </i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>The
same science that gave you the device in your hand, proved your version
of the thousands of versions of fairytalesnl to be impossible. But I
understand, you're mentally ill and need a sky daddy. I have interacted
with you bs before.</i> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Why
do you think we believe that the Earth is 6000 years old? Who said that
Adam was 35ft tall? What specifically about Noah are you referring to?</div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Crucially,
why are you presuming that Genesis is all literal? Scholars believe
that its early chapters reflect poetic traditions of the culture at the
time (in contrast to some other parts of the Bible which have linguistic
styles/markers of historical records). But also, what is your
presumption of absolute naturalism based on exactly?</div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">yeah what would Sandi Toksvig know about being gay eh?</span></i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"> </span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">It's not about being gay. It's about God's word and how the Church should act.</span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">I think she summarised God’s word quite well in her letter</span></i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">U<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en">nless
I missed something, she ignored the scriptures about sex/marriage, she
seemed to think that prohibition of homosexual practice is based on
Sodom and Gomorrah. She also has misunderstood the concept of sin and
the Gospel, plainly the most important thing in *God's word*. She's also
entirely misrepresented what's been said at Lambeth and by Welby. <a class="oajrlxb2 g5ia77u1 qu0x051f esr5mh6w e9989ue4 r7d6kgcz rq0escxv nhd2j8a9 nc684nl6 p7hjln8o kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x jb3vyjys rz4wbd8a qt6c0cv9 a8nywdso i1ao9s8h esuyzwwr f1sip0of lzcic4wl gpro0wi8 py34i1dx" href="https://thurible.net/2022/08/04/fact-checking-sandi-toksvig/?fbclid=IwAR1ei9UGIMIsEMyoVrShtqJu2qY6sVsv-ERevUDdXefpndlgAiu_i4euUUg" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://thurible.net/2022/08/04/fact-checking-sandi-toksvig/</a></span></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v b1v8xokw oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></i><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>when
a non-believer doesn’t fully understand Christianity we have to ask
why? Whose fault is that? When an unbeliever thinks Christianity is
closed minded, bigoted and hateful, we have to ask why? Whose fault is
that?</i></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>Perhaps
rather than criticising Toksvigs lack of perfect theology you should be
breaking your heart that this is how the world sees us, and by
extension sees Jesus because of our witness. I know I am! </i></div></div><div class="cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql o9v6fnle"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>If
I remember the letter rightly, I’m pretty sure that Sandi said that
love was the most important thing for us, if you’re saying she’s wrong,
and that actually sin is the most important thing for us then all I can
say to that is to reiterate my point that she reflects Jesus better than
some Christians</i></div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><i>T</i>he most important thing is the love that Jesus shows in making possible salvation from sin - not sexual love.<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I
don't know "whose fault" it is, I don't know her personally. I don't
doubt that plenty of "Christians" have behaved in unChristlike ways that
have failed to show the compassion He demonstrated, and that is
obviously beyond unacceptable - but it seems very likely that she's also
chosen not to read up on the theological debate she's chosen to comment
on. I wasn't "criticising her lack of theology" in itself. But, from a
position of having chosen to avoid Christianity and scripture, she
presumes she has a better understanding than Welby.</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">It
is obviously the epitome of tragic that many people have been turned
off from Christianity for reasons like this, and we need, more than
anything, to find ways to get the Gospel across to them. I also don't
think that matters like this should be presumed to be the only reason a
person chooses to reject God (and they are, obviously, entitled to their
decision) - and we need ultimately to get across to people not only
that they are loved by God, but also that His love surpasses the
importance of things in this world (including sex)</div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"> </div></div></div></div></div></span></div></div>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-81419392101134726872022-07-23T20:36:00.001-07:002022-07-23T20:36:17.021-07:00<p>I presume that no one's reading, but have decided that I might do some rambling here again for the purposes of venting and/or practicing writing. Apologies for sounding like a twit.<br /></p>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-33463505165510281252019-07-27T20:03:00.003-07:002019-07-28T18:38:08.842-07:00<div class="clearfix">
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/LoveIslandITV2/posts/1521319738008519?comment_id=1521371858003307">Loved the Islanders Date Outfits? Buy at ISAWITFIRST.COM</a><br />
Nah. There are enough clothes ATM. We can search ebay and Oxfam online (or in store) and other charity shops if we don't have enough in our wardrobes.<br />
Many clothes are made by people working tortuous hours, being paid so little they can barely feed themselves, and our planet is being destroyed. "The value of unused clothing in wardrobes has been estimated at around £30 billion. It is also estimated £140 million worth of clothing goes into landfill each year." Fast fashion isn't worth it.<br />
Charity shops have enough good clothes (I'm aware you have to search through naff things) - and we can help people who are seriously suffering when we shop.<span class="fwb"> </span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">personal choice. I love Up cycled things but most do not. Just like veganism and vegetarianism, believe in it, do it but don’t try to push it on to others.....they will follow their paths/choices.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F07%2F26%2Fus%2Fvillage-church-texas-sexual-abuse-lawsuit.html%3Fsmid%3Dfb-nytimes%26smtyp%3Dcur%26fbclid%3DIwAR3JQgpPZmt3xnfqdm7XJVm1tIeF7_xF5Y8SeoaXJwNARa8FY_m78TJcoMw&h=AT1THrIC6Vi_Ls9vaFrGmZujdy571uwPzd4r5TD8ppUmxFUgkFfmZG7rTjwI5j44CBtiUV9t2xujiJJ3dLW8s2kWNjGB7NVSq4DcfRkqgseznxbxvrhgGAT_k7J01MEFH4CESQ" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/26/us/village-church-texas-sexual-abuse-lawsuit.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR3JQgpPZmt3xnfqdm7XJVm1tIeF7_xF5Y8SeoaXJwNARa8FY_m78TJcoMw" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">An Evangelical Megachurch Is Sued for More Than $1 Million in Child Sexual Abuse Case</span></a><br />
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Surely you should report if the case is successful, not only when a case is brought? What I've heard about this case so far suggests that, whilst the perpetrator is evil, the Church itself isn't to blame.<br />
I hate how so many people now associate Christianity with the very opposite of what Christ did and taught, because of predators like the individual in this^ case (though as other news has shown, there's sex abuse in all sectors) <span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/tc/1/16/1f620.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">😠</span></span><br />
I desperately hope that the victims find comfort, as much as one could; and that changes are made to prevent this in future.<br />
But it's nonsensical that so many people in our culture today reject Christ entirely because of the failings of others.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2019%2Fjul%2F25%2Fits-winter-in-australia-but-were-part-of-the-global-elite-now-holidaying-in-europe%3FCMP%3Dsoc_567%26fbclid%3DIwAR3gew0QsOFbjVhIXKRdodfDsvExGXp1NOlKTEplbuUL60RDOUNNc2YSsmI&h=AT1kxJ9z_VsLKvEf_-zawZ2SZWiFJFmxCEFx6pguJWqWI-phVe6x1YX0QMV_weSfjIydsQW9nl5eStOJ3kXdLnltKJR-BbhMPRQRMUf8qqH72Sjt_sd0tfuzXlGF8R8Q40vKEQ" href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/25/its-winter-in-australia-but-were-part-of-the-global-elite-now-holidaying-in-europe?CMP=soc_567&fbclid=IwAR3gew0QsOFbjVhIXKRdodfDsvExGXp1NOlKTEplbuUL60RDOUNNc2YSsmI" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">It’s winter in Australia but we’re part of the global elite now – holidaying in Europe</span></a></div>
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"Needs"? Humanity NEEDS for fewer people to fly around the globe. It's entirely unnecessary for a fulfilled life and makes a serious contribution to planetary destruction.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ukdfid/photos/a.214243090599/10157453763915600/?type=3">Alok Sharma appointed Secretary of State for International Development</a> <br />
<i>"We will work across the whole of government to deliver Brexit and make sure UK aid is tackling global challenges that affect us all."</i><br />
"tackling global challenges that affect us all"? No, the purpose of Foreign Aid is to help the world's very most impoverished people, not us, at all. Simply being in the UK, we're living far, far more comfortably than the majority of humanity. Centuries of theft and corruption have made our nation wealthy at expense of others (it's still going on - https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries ) Aid is NOT for our benefit. And I'm not a Remainer, but why on Earth are you mentioning Brexit?<br />
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I blame porn - which is also impacting some men's expectations of womens' bodies and, in turn, women's self esteem; some people' ability to function normally in everyday life and relationships; some children sexually abusing other children; and yet it's become well accepted by our society.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">or, you know, some women just like what they like</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Even if women thought that they wanted it (or their partners thought that they did) porn will still be the primary reason that it's become so normalised, which was the question posed. How many women, prior to the mainstreaming of porn, asked to be choked, do you suppose? Porn has imposed on people's minds various sexual practices that they wouldn't have wanted to engage in, and because porn interferes with the brain - making higher levels of stimulation necessary for arousal, normal sex seems boring to more and more people, such that they're increasingly likely to try dangerous things.</span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fvoiceofeurope.com%2F2019%2F07%2Fgerman-daycare-centers-under-police-protection-after-they-ban-pork-to-please-muslim-children%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3fA8zfl1vJnniJhXm1ivWBr1lQ6-97aUE1fbbUymoFnozMBBIb4gBis0I&h=AT1wx09QhRAZ9dC8x1hTDdj_VybXRHjC8I2wZ35Cohq9QYygWvyb5uxr-m7xPHCm6Mc3gBUWZGysm58KdDpTXYoY1tJMwPsi9G12YIdGB44qO0KwgnEKa7Ne2-Piglh65wFoBw" href="https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/07/german-daycare-centers-under-police-protection-after-they-ban-pork-to-please-muslim-children/?fbclid=IwAR3fA8zfl1vJnniJhXm1ivWBr1lQ6-97aUE1fbbUymoFnozMBBIb4gBis0I" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">German daycare centers under police protection after they ban pork to please Muslim children - Voice of Europe </span></a></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Under police protection after banning pork? You mean thugs riled up by pages like yours might attack playschools in protest at the pork ban?</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>thugs? So expressing dissatisfaction with new alien rules is an attack that only thugs do?</i></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"expressing dissatisfaction" could be fine - but protesting outside playschools simply because kids won't be given pork, to an extent that police get involved, is thuggish.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">but protesting is expressing dissatisfaction. You people don't like the opinion of majority, so you call the ones who disagree "thugs" and "nazis".</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I don't call people Nazis. And I certainly don't call everyone who opposes Islam a thug, I'm saying that behaviour which leads to police being called may be thuggish.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Modern history is very clear about which groups are fans of attacking children. See Manchester Arena bombings, epidemic child rape gangs in the UK, numerous rapes of German children at swimming pools, Moscow nanny beheading child, migrant school bus driver in Italy threatening to kill 50 children. But do keep your head in the sand while you're not personally affected.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I'm deeply concerned about some followers of Islam - but that's a non sequitter. Muslims differ from each other as mcuh as we do, there's no logic in lumping them all together.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i> </div>
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Human individuals who are Muslims simply by birth, and who truly believe that God wants them to avoid pork, are in my opinion misled, but not in fact linked to the evil nutters who've carried out bombings and child abuse. Just as you aren't to be judged by the actions of Levi Belfield or Harold Shipman. And since terrorist attacks have been mentioned, note that most terrorism in the US in the last decade has been perpetrated by white supremacists - it's them who've been carrying out mass shootings.<br />
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Who the frack finds this funny? With all due respect, are you too unintelligent to realise that migrants are just as human as Brits, or just too evil?<br />
Have you any idea of the poverty and conflict these people are fleeing? Has it not occurred to you that life would have to be unbearable for a person to leave everything and risk their life in a dinghy? This is what it is to be "spoiled" - even if your wealth is entirely average in comparison to other Brits, you have such a cushy life that you disregard the suffering of people elsewhere and display blatant cruelty.</div>
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<i>you do realise that you have no idea of the poverty. They are economic migrants not refugees.</i></div>
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What do you think "economic migrant" actually means? Again, why do you think that they leave everything and risk their lives in dinghies? And how do you know that they aren't rufugees anyway?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalreview.com%2Fcorner%2Fbrett-kavanaugh-not-quite-as-evil-as-promised%2F%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3Drichwine%26fbclid%3DIwAR1hALTi5Dna-xlR8I0yReE_RUQC_ERjUpjB2HfmFZkERGuqMFKJvxngA6A&h=AT2SCDEPQyXrSzb9D_KbCrzpPZA-CwEnpleg_GDxPTB-nPloE8oqPA3VjexxUco2q_xUaIEfn-JDe8taAtl3_luiVPMMoRDke9ibCa0lqrH3D-rFdE1jOVeoOyyYU1DrmEF2tA" href="https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/brett-kavanaugh-not-quite-as-evil-as-promised/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=richwine&fbclid=IwAR1hALTi5Dna-xlR8I0yReE_RUQC_ERjUpjB2HfmFZkERGuqMFKJvxngA6A" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Brett Kavanaugh Not Quite as ‘Evil’ as Promised</span></a></div>
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<i>Lucifer-in-a-black-robe had a voting record that could hardly be described as extreme.</i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If his opponents called him Lucifer-in-a-black-robe, why were witches protesting his appointment? I find it bizarre how abortion supporters proudly embrace evil whilst simultaneously calling their opposition evil.</span></span></div>
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<a href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Acrobates_pygmaeus_2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="File:Acrobates pygmaeus 2.jpg" border="0" data-file-height="243" data-file-width="290" height="243" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Acrobates_pygmaeus_2.jpg" width="290" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You may indeed find that bizarre, but that's merely because you can't disentangle your views from your religious fantasies. And to be clear, you are welcome to those fantasies- you just aren't welcome to force others to live by them.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">When did I mention religion? What "fantasy" exactly do you think I believe in? What exactly am I "forcing" on who? I'm just typing. Why does one person have the right to force another person through a vacuum suction tube, or to force their limbs off of their body with surgical tools?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">pro choice is not evil. Those trying to force rape victims to carry their rapist’s seed are evil</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It's literally 1% of abortions, according to Planned Parenthood's own data, so Wanda Iris Kore is making an unrepresentative argument. What about the other 99%? On what grounds exactly have you determined that it's not evil to support the tearing up of tiny humans, whilst it is evil to oppose it?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">you do understand that embryos and fetuses are not people . They are potential people. </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It’s not a child yet just like an egg is not a chicken.</span></span></i> </div>
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"just like an egg is not a chicken"?<br />
Yikes - with all due respect. A chicken's egg, that you buy in a supermarket, has not been fertilised. It's comparable to, oddly enough, a human egg, which is unfertilised and gets flushed down the toilet with menstruation, and no one protests. A foetus, human or chicken, has a complete genome (unlike an egg) and that genome means that it is on<span class="text_exposed_show"> course to grow into a fully sized adult so long as it isn't starved or slaughtered. By the end of the first trimester, the human foetus has all of its organs, and has brain waves and touch sensation. How do you define "child" which you're so certain that it isn't? Medical textbooks have long referred to the unborn as children on some occassions, and foetus is simply latin foor offspring. Whatever you want to call it, it's an innocent human being.</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiked-online.com%2F2019%2F07%2F25%2Fat-last-the-country-is-run-by-leavers%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1peWQ_vzaOkbHBOTs82g_OiLCeAtr1rV0pRBTotO3ivsdITu3Nd3zMmyg&h=AT0hRMDWl4DrUqkgjoAx88cm3Blu_eCGE5XNY0cV8XpVfvR1qCr-qzViruMuu1ULrqqvcVLQ2KXFSfQd2hiAEu47GmQZIgv59xjaB86IDBXN_hXT8KxtUU7XbiC-cajdBjT4PQ" href="https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/25/at-last-the-country-is-run-by-leavers/?fbclid=IwAR1peWQ_vzaOkbHBOTs82g_OiLCeAtr1rV0pRBTotO3ivsdITu3Nd3zMmyg" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">At last the country is run by Leavers</span></a></div>
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BoJo only decided at the last minute to support Leave, and had previously said that it wouldn't be his preference to leave. I've not read up on all the cabinet yet, but Gavin Williamson, for one, was a Remainer.<br />
Should our priority for ministers not be that they truly desire to make things better for human beings, rather than their stance on the EU?</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Obviously, this is awful beyond words - but I'm intrigued, what are your thoughts on the many black babies who die elsewhere in the world (ultimately because of the centuries of global injustices that have made Western nations wealthy)? <br />Apologies for the whataboutism, I'm certainly not suggesting that the issue of racial disparity in infant mortality rates in the US shouldn't be addressed, it just seems odd that, as someone who cares about those in poverty, you seem never to highlight the world's very most disadvantaged, who - $for$ -we have the power to make the biggest difference to.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> <i>go straight to h3LL with your whataboutism</i></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL, why? Do you think that we should all just forget about the world's poorest people, who are in agonising poverty at our expense?<br />Do you even believe in hell?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Babies Else where in the world are not a concern when you can't even help the babies in your own country. If this cannot gain traction in one country, how would you save them all around the world. </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">we can exactly fix policies in countries that aren't ours so....</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You can save babies elsewhere in the world, by supporting NGOs that do amazing things with our donations and Foreign Aid - far, far, far more than the same $amounts can do here. And if we enable children to grow up fully nourished and with an education, they'll become adults who CAN fix policies.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Politicians can campaign for action on multinational corporations that exploit people in poverty, and for more Foreign Aid. <br />If they care about poor people being helped, they could also use their position of visibility to remind us, whilst our media leads us to forget about human beings elsewhere, that we have the power to save and transform lives - for example, $6 can feed a starving child for a month, a child who's just as human and precious as a child who lives where we do. Such reminders would be useful in a society where it's normal to spend that amount on a trip to Starbucks and to feel dissatisfied with our own lives because we see the lifestyles of celebrities oin Instagram etc.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnewint.org%2Ffeatures%2F2019%2F07%2F22%2Fargentina-pro-life-doctors-are-growing-force-against-abortion%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1-RPACw5nteBO2l9mLhuru49T1NNXEVJP83KC9s-ey2eEcUsxs00x9J9g&h=AT2BFRhReh_5IgMiNCND8sCAlYjc99o4MiBi4rpnRpsW24ZSBIpVAH2Hf0Efs23Ok7JASrdoPECksQzq9MXX8Hx80pjA2nJKPJ4h3r6At1WO3c5IAcNIfLBANFEmN7o_KrUMgg" href="https://newint.org/features/2019/07/22/argentina-pro-life-doctors-are-growing-force-against-abortion?fbclid=IwAR1-RPACw5nteBO2l9mLhuru49T1NNXEVJP83KC9s-ey2eEcUsxs00x9J9g" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">In Argentina, ‘pro-life’ doctors are a growing force against abortion</span></a> newint.org</div>
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You're honestly arguing that doctors should be forced to tear up tiny humans? You really think that that's a noble humanitarian cause?<br />
I'm not disputing cases where abortion is genuinely vital to save the mother - but here those cases account for only several % of abortions - what's the situation regarding reasons for abortion in Argentina?</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I assume you'll never have your own children, and instead will adopt one of the countless number of unwanted children. Because you care so much about human life, and not doing so would make you such a hypocritical vile moronic arsehole.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">No it wouldn't, it would make me normal; only having an abortion myself would - on this issue at least - make me a hypocrite. But indeed, if I'm ever capable of raising a child, I'll most definitely adopt rather than having my own. However, the reason that there are children currently in need of adoption is not that their mothers should have been able/encouraged to abort them, as you imply, but because of family breakdown, and many adoptive couples specifically want to raise an adopted child from infancy.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> <i><br /></i></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">My body, my choise, as simple as that.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, it's another human's body, and life. <br />It would be just part of your/the mother's body, for 9 months. And indeed you/the mother had a choice - sex (only 1% of abortions follow rape).</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">My body, my choice. Not your business at all. For sure your are not a Mother, being mum it's not just about 9 months. Life is not about statistics, how dare you judje People you don't Know ?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">When did I say that I'm judging, or use judgemental language? <br />As I just said, it's another human's body, not simply "your body, your choice" - why have you just repeated mantra and ignored my point?</span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flibertywritersafrica.com%2Fjesus-has-done-nothing-to-save-africa-from-european-wickedness-for-over-350-years%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2x8DHCOLVm6_xE-lIfuYjxJ2AOE_ruCPonT1VzyUYgPZlvTXuL9we3VIc&h=AT0vWh5jJOfoExLjkIFqQ-bi5RA_r__nIxYMuKr53WJG_439YHySZ2DmYUjYRvqG9JP0luQVpablRuQfYYTGSbiehePMQ_MiEFx-K3rlwFhsEPaYB6E10fWn7VCGdkdqzgN6cQ" href="https://libertywritersafrica.com/jesus-has-done-nothing-to-save-africa-from-european-wickedness-for-over-350-years/?fbclid=IwAR2x8DHCOLVm6_xE-lIfuYjxJ2AOE_ruCPonT1VzyUYgPZlvTXuL9we3VIc" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Jesus Has Done Nothing To Save Africa From European Wickedness For Over 350 Years</span></a><br />
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How can that be known? There are things that cannot be directly externally measured - crucially, wealth and happiness are not directly correlated at all (which is by no means an excuse for the grotesque theft from Africa by my continent) - people who choose to seek Jesus' presence experience some deep inner joy that we spoilt (too wealthy) Europeans are missing out on.<br />
It was people genuinely seek<span class="text_exposed_show">ing to do Christ's work who convinced our government to outlaw the slave trade, and many of the organisations that have lobbied for Fair Trade, more UKAid etc, and provided aid, medical support, etc, are working in Jesus' name (though, obviously, my nation as a whole has done far, far, far too little to stop our corporations exploiting Africa, and to help those in need, it makes me furious). Here in the UK, and Europe generally, most people ignore Jesus, so they'll miss out on the eternal life (heaven) that He offers, whilst many people in Africa turn to God and will have ETERNITY in perfect joy that will make this lifetime seem like a second.<br />(NB, apologies if I seem patronising - and I cannot stress enough how enraged I am by my continent's actions in Africa)</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fscience-and-health%2F2019%2F7%2F19%2F20698391%2Fvatican-astronomer-guy-consolmagno-meteorites-intelligent-life-galileo-religion%3Futm_campaign%3Dvox.social%26utm_content%3Dvoxdotcom%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0amGpxiZ2DaZsoknBuTFsdUF5OByqKpWen3jHQJ1pRp8Y0baNS5LZLTBc&h=AT1xvD8gi75tr53_kEgXzswv3M-y8rc_3XxUYZb8mTsV0RzeZOhRp_DfB9judmQ46hJZYZ82XsgFH7uDaeGGZEjEgxM0IYAZagFatnZ0t6J0678sPH7MslqVK0T1jaZv_qKwDg" href="https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/7/19/20698391/vatican-astronomer-guy-consolmagno-meteorites-intelligent-life-galileo-religion?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0amGpxiZ2DaZsoknBuTFsdUF5OByqKpWen3jHQJ1pRp8Y0baNS5LZLTBc" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">What would alien life mean for Catholicism? The Vatican’s chief astronomer explains.</span></a> vox.com<br />
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I'm so sick of seeing laughter reactions on posts that are purely tragic. What's wrong with you?</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The idea that segregation of 60+ years ago is why children tiday cant swim is silly. Public pools are open to everyone. Beaches are open to everyone. Building a pool in your yard is open to everyone. Buying a cheap above ground pool is open to everyone.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Yikes - "Public pools are open to everyone"? How much do they cost? " Building a pool in your yard is open to everyone"? Frick, seriously? You honestly think that everyone is wealthy enough to own their own home, with a garden, and pay for a pool to built and maintained?<br />(And beaches are only an option for those who live near them - and are also not necessarily suitable for learning to swim)</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><span class="fwb"> </span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">White man can't jump is funny but black man can't swim isn't?</span></span><span class="fwb"> </span></i><br />
<span class="fwb">A</span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">bsolutely. We white people are less likely to jump well (though some are awesome) because we're, on average, athletically inferior. Whereas those who can't swim are unable to do so because they've not learned, because relative poverty has prevented them from having ther opportunity. And if a person can't jump well, it doesn't matter - if a person drowns, it sodding does, more than there are words for.</span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2Fqv7yqq%2Famazon-gay-conversion-therapy%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbus%26fbclid%3DIwAR2Xi9Qj-0i4ZcpJAQ6gzCNRgl194mn4Pe7QTGWXb1r5Yr6Qx7s6I8C-CDU&h=AT0l5EgvSSyNfdpRddhrVD3O9za1iCMDWzyH377xCCWJifRfItK6SZkBQ18H4dzvCzUthLi7siJgFH18PM2UN4q9y4BZY_v_c9SVn8qPjIByxnfkUsigldhwJny0paWFEV65zg" href="https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qv7yqq/amazon-gay-conversion-therapy?utm_source=vicefbus&fbclid=IwAR2Xi9Qj-0i4ZcpJAQ6gzCNRgl194mn4Pe7QTGWXb1r5Yr6Qx7s6I8C-CDU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans Are Pressuring Amazon to Sell Books on Gay Conversion Therapy</span></a><br />
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How, exactly, are you defining "gay conversion therapy"? What exactly is in these books?</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/vicenews/videos/207246833561502/"><span class="fwb">The Support Group for Women Who Had Abortions in Their Second Trimesters</span></a></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Obvs. there are cases in which there's been rape or where there's a serious medical issue - but these account for only several % of all abortions. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fy25pu5ca%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR09Tvc-JAiiCcKWWArf-6vhGXY8seZdRv0IYMJq5vY3Kq5wpaApDCxSFKM&h=AT0J2TS_1WPaPevS9J65yTGNd74O775iNsUtAgKmNkJodZHV0qHkTMyNiz6LAvn_8uqEgGiBUTseWwym4awB-4e_G4ighLHbZuX2QLXJ0Wfy7hmyKBKcRkF6ss6m57R0uo7s" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/y25pu5ca</a></span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">easy to judge shoes you’ve never walked in.</span></span></i> </div>
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I didn't say that I'm judging, nor did I use any judgemental language. But I resent Vice, and other media, conning people into thinking that abortion is a noble cause, and that what's killed isn't a human being. By the 2nd trimester, it has brain waves and all of its organs.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">lol Abort73? Protect me from killing babies!!</span></span></i><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It's just one page that offers a concise summary, you can check the data elsewhere.</span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I have nothing to prove, you're the one smearing fakery.</span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Smearing fakery? What do you think that my motive for that would be? And of course you have nothing to prove, but why then bother commenting on what I wrote?</span></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Wow, all this moral grandstanding is depressing. I'm 27 with Aspergers and no social life, so I took up watching last year for the sake of having a topic of conversation with my sisters and better understanding my peers (also, I've had anorexia, and seeing girls on Love Island when they're not posing for photos helps to remind me that I'm not fat, and enables me to feel thoroughly conscious that airbrushed images we see everywhere are unrepresentative).<br />It's really not as awful as those who haven't seen it presume. And if you do find it shocking, you're - with all due respect - out of touch with our society today. It's tragic that people have the attitudes to sex that they do, but it's tragic because people aren't following God, and we already knew that that's the case. It's our job to love them and seek ways to communicate the Gospel to our society <br />- we can't do that if we turn up our noses and become ignorant of modern life. Also note, the sex content on Love Island is in fact very, very tame. Almost every teenager in the UK will have seen more explicit things in 15 rated films. Following difficulties faced by previous contestants who, apparently (I wasn't watching then) had sex on screen in earlier series of Love Island, the producers decided to ban sex on the show. There are, sometimes, movements of duvet covers, and references to sex, but no actual sex on screen. There's a lot of companionship as friendships develop, and amusing conversation.</span></span><br />
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OK, but how much is it paying its factory workers?<br />
Is it keeping its workers safe, following incidents such as that at Rana Plaza?<br />
Does it have any consideration for its workers' wellbeing, or do they have no air conditioning and no breaks?<br />
I'm sick of corporations virtue signalling through, albeit very rightly, attempts to be more green, whilst human beings are living in hell.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/bbcpanorama/videos/2408518039393531/"><span class="fwb">Sex Education: The LGBT Debate in Schools</span></a><br />
<span class="fwb">There's a crucial distinction - whilst some protesters may well be driven by hatred, many are in fact motivated by the sincere belief that God/Allah, who knows what's best for humanity, has prohibited gay sex. That's also distinct from simply having the orientation. Abuse/bullying needs to be eliminated, but that doesn't necessarily mean that children need to be taught about homosexuality - rather, they need to be taught to be loving and respectful towards everyone that they go on to encounter in life.</span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">absolutely but whilst some religions think it’s ok to throw gay people off buildings inclusivity has no chance.</span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Indeed, different faiths (in this case, Christianity and Islam) are very different from each other. And each believer has their own views. Crucially, the fact that some people are protesting these lessons doesn't by any means indicate that they endorse the attacking of gay people.</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - that's distinct from simply having gay orientation, and either way, the Bible makes it clear that no one should be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.<br />Please note – many people who’ve called themselves Christians aren’t actually following Christ; Jesus was consistently peaceful and compassionate. <br />I wish our society didn't obsess so much about peoples' sex lives - each human being is a priceless individual with traits and skills that add to the community, who they have sex with doesn't impact the community, yet our culture insists on defining people by it.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">it’s funny that in your last comment here you said that you wished people would stop reducing everything to sex ... but in your first comment you brought gay sex up when, in fact, that is completely irrelevant here!? <span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t34/1/16/1f914.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">🤔</span></span> The No Outsiders scheme (which is what this is about) doesn’t teach kids about gay sex AT ALL. It’s about tolerance and acceptance ... of LGBT people and much else besides! So you brought sex into it .........</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I didn't say that No Outsiders is about sex (though kids will wonder, when they learn basic sex ed, which for me was around the age of 6). I was thinking outloud (or in type) about, as I said, society. Because our society will be shaping the protesters concerns. Do you not think that they're hostility, in part, is contributed to by the exuberance of sexuality that they observe in our nation today? I'm not saying that they're right to protest, I think that both sides are misunderstanding each other.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I still think you’re off the mark with this. The issue being discussed is the No Outsiders scheme, which promotes tolerance broadly conceived (and so a portion of it addresses LGBT issues). That can only be a good thing. Of course kids might be curious and ask questions about relationships ... that is a normal part of growing up, no? Kids see heterosexuality literally everywhere from the moment they arrive on this planet and eventually ask questions too ...?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm aware that the issue here is No Outsiders, and I'm not saying that I'd join the protesters, but I know that they're concerned because of the wider narrative as they observe it. Emphasis on concern, not necessarily hatred of LGBT people. Look at this way, why do kids need to see storybooks with LGBT characters? Again, I'm not necessarily personally saying that they shouldn't, but I'm asking why it's necessary. What's necessary - vital - is that we eliminate bullying of LGBT people. But bullying is eliminated through teaching kids to be compassionate, respectful and friendly - if we can impart these values, telling them about LGBT isn't necessarily essential. Right now, teenagers and adults have all grown up without this on the curriculum, and the majority are still supportive of LGBT rights and Pride. What our society needs is for each of us to have more love for our fellow humans, breaking down dividing lines <br />- I'd focus on using limited lesson time to do that.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No. Nationalism implies considering one's nation somehow superior than others. That's antithetical to Christ's message of humility. You can't convince millennials and genZ into conservatism with nationalism. Saving the parts of conservatism that should be saved requires highlighting the merits of those individual cases - such as the anti-abortion stance. Mostly, nationalism is in decline, and where it is growing amongst younger generations, it often links with things that you wouldn't want to be associated with.<br />We all need to focus on Christ more, it's His principles that we should strive towards, not the various isms.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">perhaps in England nationalism is on the decline. If you have no pride in your country it gets overrun by those who do not respect it. Immigrants who hate your country and do not want to be citizens create their own minicountries and destroy the nation.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Comments like that are why my generation hate conservatism and nationalism. <br />America was overrun by immigrants a few centuries ago - they sailed from Europe and massacred the native people. Obviously, I'm not blaming you for what your ancestors did, but I find it bizarre that you can have such disregard for people fleeing unbearable violence and poverty (much of which is ultimately linked to frees enacted by US governments and corporations). How, by the way, have you concluded that immigrants hate the US? And why so you care if they keep aspects of their original culture?<br />What do you think Jesus would say?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">my ancestors didn’t. I am the daughter of post WW2 European immigrants. Who wanted to be Canadian and learned the language and were proud to become Canadian citizens. Nationalism <span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t77/1/16/1f44d_1f3fb.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">👍🏻</span></span><span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t6c/1/16/2764.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">❤️</span></span></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">who do you think you are to speak for a whole generation? LOL. Maybe you should step out and find out a few things.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t6c/1/16/2764.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;"></span></span></span></span> </i></div>
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So you're the daughter of immigrants, but you think that immigrants take over and hate the country?<br />
I didn't say that I speak for a whole generation, I'm referring to broad trends, which can be observed via statistics</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ignorant comments like yours is why so many young people are turning from left wing ideology, back to conservatism. Read your bible and you will see God is the creator of nations and is no fan of human led one world governments. </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I'm not at all pro EU, why are you bringing it up? When did I advocate "human led, one world government"? What statistical evidence have you seen that young people are turning to Conservatism?</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">we ought to learn from the Old Testament when God warned the tribes of Israel and their leaders to not allow foreigners to practice their religions in Israel and Judah nor permit them to marry into the society as they would turn the hearts of men to worship foreign gods and that’s exactly what </span></span></i><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">happened. If they came as foreigners they were to obey Jewish law. We are open to all people but not to every ideology they bring. Ideologies, not ethnicities, shape a society. Conservatism is majorly on the rise which is why conservative parties across Europe, Latin America and Asia are winning elections while the left is shrinking.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">At the time of the Old Testament, God said that His people must avoid allowing paganism in their lands because they would worship pagan dieties themselves if they did. Today our society is entirely different, we each have many different choices to make as to what we believe, and make our own choices about faith. Consumerism, sport, sex ans self love are the national religions killing Christianity, it isn't immigration that's a threat. Plenty of people are turning to paganism - but that's because of human tendencies and trends they encounter in the media, they're not copying the faiths of immigrants that they meet. Most people are atheist or follow new age spirituality, individuals aren't turning from being Christians to copy the faiths of immigrants. Here in the UK, we've had decades of immigration of people from Muslim and Hindu backgrounds, but British people aren't converting from Christianity to Islam or Hinduism, most are turning from God to atheism (numbers of those faiths, esp Islam, are on the rise - but that's because they have many more children than average Anglo Brits, there aren't committed Christians converting to Islam). We've also had immigration from countries with stronger Christianity than Britain itself has had for generations, and as a result, whilst the Church of England (which, for generations, has comprised in no small part of people who've joined simply because it was socially typical) is dying, Pentecostalism is on the rise. Seriously, immigration is having a positive impact on the numbers of people truly in love with God here. In the US, much immigration is from countries where belief in God is stronger than it is in the US itself. Have you seen evidence of true, committed believers in God turning to follow religions introduced to them by immigrants?</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
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Megan's been an advocate for <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=108970206976&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBkYh5Qs8P9udwSDQrWoHlRxyvKVUIpkDC78K3YO6OOBY5teikOatmZYvHlZlTLAeOH7MRwT89ZPBJ-%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/worldvision/?eid=ARBkYh5Qs8P9udwSDQrWoHlRxyvKVUIpkDC78K3YO6OOBY5teikOatmZYvHlZlTLAeOH7MRwT89ZPBJ-&fref=tag">World Vision USA</a>. If only we could spend a bit more time discussing the people who are so poor that they live in rags, rather than constantly obsessing over what Megan's wearing.....<br />
If, for example, we bought less wear-once fashion (or bought from <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=7214031395&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARDiOGnYebdcc-sRQdR2DwGFPz-YLHYHsmdGVnEHufUeUudxWfSbLqURl5lP1k2DMhmqdLq4ou98gn_J%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/oxfamGB/?eid=ARDiOGnYebdcc-sRQdR2DwGFPz-YLHYHsmdGVnEHufUeUudxWfSbLqURl5lP1k2DMhmqdLq4ou98gn_J&fref=tag">Oxfam Great Britain</a>, which sells a lot of awesome clothes) and cinema tickets ourselves, we could use the money saved to transform lives. That's far more exciting than what Megan's wearing.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Megan will do far more then you ever can as has Prince Charles! A beautiful pic of a successful Actress, business woman.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">hen did I say that I'm comparing myself to Megan? I'm sure she'll be able to achieve more, she's one of the luckiest, most privileged people in the world. My point is that we, and our media, should spend slightly less time deifying Megan, and consider the fact that equally deserving human beings are trapped in squalour. Because of the corruption that's made our nation rich, some innocent people are born into slums, without medical care, proper nutrition or clean water, and grow up with no opportunities to escape their tortuous poverty. They are no less important, valuable, deserving human beings than we - or Megan - are. That we have the potential to help them is far more exciting than what Megan's wearing (as much as I find fashion interesting).</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">shup to F....k up you time waster. Get a life..</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">This is so funny - why tell me to shut up and f off? Why would I care that you've written that? Do you really think that you've hurt my feelings or made me less likely to comment like this in future?<br />And do you really think it's "time wasting" to care about the people in greatest need? Do you think that, in your mocking, you're somehow superior? Really?</span></span><br />
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Jayda^ needs to stop waving a cross around. Her attitude is seriously un Christlike.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">a lot of people would describe themselves as Christian or <insert name of religion here> yet act in ways that goes directly against what they profess to believe.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">That was my original point. Christianity is a label that plenty of people love to wear because they think of it as part of their heritage - but very, very few Brits today are actually committed to following Christ, which is, obviously, what Christian actually means.<br />Hypothetically, I could describe myself as musical because I like the label, and my family plays instruments - but since I don't play any instruments and haven't the foggiest how to read music, I'm in reality not musical, whatever I call myself. North Korea calls itself a Democratic Republic, but that doesn't mean that it actually is democratic, and we can't judge the concept of democracy by North Korea. Nazi is short for the German for National Socialist, but that doesn't mean that Nazism is like socialism. So people calling themselves Christian doesn't necessarily mean that they are. The reason that matters, is that plenty of people resent and reject Christianity, and thus never explore Christ, because they hate some of the behaviour of people who call themselves Christians - but in fact, the latter aren't actually following, thus aren't representive of Christ.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">So? We knew without needing to be told - ultimately it's a grossly oversized corporation that's mistreating workers, destroying smaller businesses and developing the power to spy on people. And, seriously, most of its prices aren't the best.<br />I'm not saying that no one should use it at all - but that there's no reason to get excited about Prime Day.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span> </div>
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We need to stop buying jeans, and wear out those that are already in our cupboards and charity shops.</div>
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All this fuss about our ambassador writing, in a private email, what much of the public and media here has been saying for years, seems ironic given that we're about to have a PM who verbally called "the French" (Macron) turds.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Frelevantmagazine.com%2Fcurrent%2Fthe-number-of-brits-who-identify-as-christian-has-hit-a-record-low%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0Fk5iagTQlZRsRvBusGjGIjhIXSMQiSDIPzfcm6cgiyBmPVShDSlD0NRc&h=AT2UlrB0VzzwqfFj0CYEB-AsLj9c2oOEA7PKrS3R08oqSltPZljZDlgCgLm05zog8zpdpu78jla5EeMhD7P43G62IZQzUxPVPu7CeKl9LeWWUklbjtcC0euaB0XmKJJdS3ZtJA" href="https://relevantmagazine.com/current/the-number-of-brits-who-identify-as-christian-has-hit-a-record-low/?fbclid=IwAR0Fk5iagTQlZRsRvBusGjGIjhIXSMQiSDIPzfcm6cgiyBmPVShDSlD0NRc" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Number of Brits Who Identify as Christian Has Hit a Record Low | RELEVANT Magazine</span></a><br />
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Brit here - yuh, the situation here sucks, I break down in tears if I think about it deeply enough; but this survey is pretty meaningless. There've been very, very, very few Christians for several generations - what's happened is that fewer people now are referring to themselves as Christians in surveys simply because it feels like the right thing to do.<br />
Previous surveys recorded a majority of people ticking the Christian box because it was part of their heritage - now, fewer people do that, since it's become socially acceptable not to tick that box; but the proportion of people following Jesus hasn't necessarily changed.</div>
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Gay sex? That's precisely the issue - the media and certain organisations endlessly sexualising LGBT people, when their sex lives are in fact nothing to with the rest of us. They're each unique human beings with infinite traits and interests that have nothing to do with sex, yet the thing that's done in private is what our culture so often wants to define them by.<br />
I suspect that part of the reason for this rise is the explicit nature of parts of Pride parades, and of many pop culture portrayals - ultimately because sex sells, so profit is being made by corporations that are ultimately fuelling societal division.</div>
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Global Citizen for goodness sake. People in our world are starving, and you're moaning about how many £millions footballers are paid?<br />
Obviously, it's entirely wrong that women are paid less - but it's still gross that they're as wealthy as they are when equally valuable human beings are dying of poverty. The gross poverty that innocent human beings are trapped in is ultimately the result of greed<span class="text_exposed_show"> that's made nations like ours wealthy, so rich that we pay £millions to sportspeople. <br />The media spends a lot of time debating the pay gap between male and female multimillionaires, ignoring the scores of people for whom an actual football is an unaffordable luxury - GLOBAL CITIZEN is supposed to be all about the people in serious need, whether or not female footballers can afford quite as enormous mansions as their male counterparts doesn't actually matter.</span><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0TarmUy-yLk/XTkWwdDhMhI/AAAAAAAAAzU/Oh9UcSQDtVQ9rWgyQvogLCmQig3bJw1EQCLcBGAs/s1600/3JEC5JEU7O.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="960" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0TarmUy-yLk/XTkWwdDhMhI/AAAAAAAAAzU/Oh9UcSQDtVQ9rWgyQvogLCmQig3bJw1EQCLcBGAs/s320/3JEC5JEU7O.jpg" width="320" /></a><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/bbcpanorama/videos/2268941179848077/"><span class="fwb">Is Labour Anti-Semitic?</span></a></div>
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I'm entirely confused about this issue - surely potential evil attitudes amongst branches in boroughs and towns around the country can't be comprehensively investigated within the space of one programme? Surely we need to vote based on the manifestoes and records of our MPs?</div>
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Really? I've never heard it discussed at my Church (here in the UK), and in sermons that I listen to from your side of the pond, if it's mentioned it's not discussed in a legalistic or negative way whatsoever.<br />
Personally, I've been repulsed by the notion for as long as I've known about it, despite the smiley faced cartoons in the children's' sex-ed book I was first shown (at around 7, I think), but that revulsion has been hugely nurtured by the explicit sexuality in our culture's media.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/10ways/?eid=ARBdxl-fncHC_7ilflUOy20xWSYu_jWTAoAkW0ZVxyzKSJyd1S7JAM_drP1COvhwMvdr54JtCNdAMFP6&fref=tag">10 ways to have more money </a><i>What has been your best secondhand purchase?</i><br />
Nb, there's a sale on Oxfam's online shop ATM. The best buys are those that can genuinely make a massive difference to people in extreme need.<i>except the fact only 1% of the sale goes to people in need. Why do you think the founder is a millionaire</i><br />
LOL, why do you think that only 1% goes to people in need? Seriously, where on Earth did you get that from?<br />
I agree that charity bosses are paid too much - but it's still only a tiny% of the takings. The charities commission checks up on what % of any charity's income goes to those in need, for Oxfam it's just over 80%, which is typical. Personally I make my monetary donations to charities where a higher % goes to their work, but only Oxfam has a large network of shops (inc online) and works with those people in the very greatest need, so I shop with them.<br />
The 20% that remains is divided between salaries, admin and advertising. Unfortunately, large salaries are necessary to lure in - from the business sector - bosses with the expertise to make the organisation grow its income.<br />
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Even if Ryanair don't charge much, the cost to the planet is still huge. We need to stop being misled into thinking that regular flights are necessary for enjoying life.<br />
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Nah. Abolishing slavery wasn't about abolitionists own future wellbeing. (not that I'm not supportive of climate activism, obvs.)<br />
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What, exactly, are those falsehoods? Abortion organisations perpetually hide the reality of abortion, because whitewashing it enables them to profit.<br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">the Good Samaritan act it out of his own character. He did not use other people's tax dollars and the force of government legislation to take care of the man. The difference is between the responsibilities of individual Christians, and the responsibilities of the country as a whole, and/or its secular state government. Individual Christians were told to help the refugee. Not to use government forced to do so.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">The Good Samaritan is our example. If we're striving to follow Jesus, we will want, as the Gods Samaritan illustrated, for those in need to be helped. In his setting, there wasn't the governmental infrastructure by which the poor are helped. Our nations have developed some of these systems (for helping those in need) BECAUSE of our Christian heritage. Human beings can be greedy, and we already have a disproportionate share of humanity's resources because of the greed of our ancestors and our nations corporations, thus it's necessary for governments to use some tax to help those people suffering severely because of the injustices that have benefitted us. If we object, is the love of God really in us? Are we not too attached to our money - which Jesus warned against - if we resent the tiny amounts of tax* spent on helping the poor from elsewhere?<br />*Last I read, the US spends 0.5% of its GDP on helping people from other countries.</span></span></div>
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Nevermind Oreos, it includes Cadbury(and far, far more)- I find myself annoyed by headlines that mention a tiny part of a corporation and don't give the corporation name, as though we've not heard of Mondalez and we can simply boycott one product. I object (though obviously, it genuinely doesn't actually matter at all and I'm joking) to people disregarding the basic, indisputable fact that chocola<span class="text_exposed_show">te is superior to biscuits - but headlines like this are also patronising and misleading. The reality is that almost all brands are made by one of a handful of multinationals, and they're each hugely lacking in principles. We need to do our best to buy wisely, but it's impossible to boycott products made by Palm Oil harvesting corporations altogether. <br />And whilst I'm obviously heartbroken about orangutans, I find it disturbing that our society/press are evidently far, far more concerned about them than about the human beings in agonising poverty or slavery because of corporate greed. Can the farmers who provide the cocoa and sugar for Oreos, for example, afford to feed their families? They're likely too poor to have actually eaten Oreos or other confectionery. They could be children forced violently from their homes. But whilst there's rightly a lot of activism about orangutans, we almost never hear about those human beings.<br />Sorry for ranting.</span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/2058088514499338/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2294%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D"><span class="fwb">Richard Dawkins: An Argument for Atheism </span>Do we need God in order to be good?</a></div>
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It can't be proven that we don't, since even if one doesn't believe in God, their goodness may ultimately result from having been made by God. The poetic allegory of early Genesis says that God made humans "in His image" so any human has the ability to do good - but also has freewill, which we all sometimes use wrongly.<br />
In practice, genuine love of God and deep gratitude for Christ's offer of salvation (through willingly taking the punishment we deserve) will cause us to want to follow His commands. If indeed, He exists, then when we decide to accept Him He will help us to gradually become better at defeating temptation and living in a way that helps others.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Why is the burden of proof on me? Because Sagan said so and it's been repeated Ad Nauseum as dogma since?<br />Sorry if it sounds as though I'm on the attack.<br />How do you define "proof" in this context?<br />Have you looked at the philosophical and scientific arguments for the existence of a creator? I used to think that God was imaginary, but as I studied biology, I realised that it seemed more likely that there is a creator than that there's not (eg, see, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-Gsa58Rm8Sk%26fbclid%3DIwAR16WYLAct0KTRzHINY-lBzEAOdgvy0Hk0wcOrLa4JgBAcP9AaLtAOYsRQ4&h=AT3UWEY_wysUyn2358KB7vSuyeJzHT0xqbDeJj2b1_AkSY7M4HI-0P_S1btj5wfbNbOLzzXJzr-gdnsoR7iRfKsutsjEzdRNOjrV91jx5BHa6gr7IVOEWjSN4nCpVmmSSnWk" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gsa58Rm8Sk&fbclid=IwAR16WYLAct0KTRzHINY-lBzEAOdgvy0Hk0wcOrLa4JgBAcP9AaLtAOYsRQ4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gsa58Rm8Sk</a> ). Further examination of physics convinced me further (eg , one summary, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Ffinetuning%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2I9PPlzEV6KsH0whl7_mXdrCjZDZOb293eCJvyR-cWyISfDF20yQzU50c&h=AT2DtU0h4btSN50uYxjiihWMePfVC60RBe_lWp0VhQIQy-Sw47yq0JsBCGtcDHaMoJ6YqOwk3SHIkWHogRxM1_77QAW07uE5QmhhtChb40AAdJpDii54mi4XJU016XphW5LA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning</a>). <br />There are plenty of writings and lectures by academics (published authors with PhDs) who explain the arguments for God's existence in more detail, such as John Lennox, Ravi Zacharias, Michael Ramsden, Hugh Ross, William Lane Craig, Allister McGrath and more.<br />Your conclusions are up to you, but I'd recommend not concluding that God is imaginary on the basis of presumption without investigation.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">you are asking me to prove the non existence of something you are not even able to define. illogical</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">When did I say that I can't define Him? He is the creator.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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Yikes. With all due respect, you've been horrendously misinformed about what Communion is.<br />
NB Communion is a symbol and act of remembrance of Jesus being brutally slaughtered because of the wrong things that we do. He made it possible for us to be forgiven, and thus to spend eternity with God(heaven) after this lifetime, proving Himself by rising from the dead. Theatre can be awesome, but it's nothing like Communion.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RTUKnews/videos/382134065764949/"><span class="fwb">Disney's choice of black lead for Little Mermaid film sparks debate</span></a></div>
I've been following this, only a minority of comments have been critical of Ariel being black, and some have been hoaxes. But there are some. It's tragic, in 2 senses of the word, that people are objecting to this. I think that it's primarily about nostalgic attachment to the original image, rather than necessarily about conscious racism for everyone - but people really, really ought to be conscio<span class="text_exposed_show">us of the importance of there being more main characters of colour, and that that trumps their attachment to what they're familiar with. Also that, ultimately, it's just melanin; it's disturbing that people treat it as so significant. Any white actress chosen would have had a differently proportioned face (and body) to the original, people need to remind themselves that, other than the cultural history, skin colour means nothing.</span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">just melanin? What about her lips, her hair, her body shape, her organs and skull size?<br />It's not "just" skin color, it's much more. You should try to understand the basics behind evolution.<br />Biology is the root, culture is the flower.<br />You really have no clue.</span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"><i> </i></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">All of those traits are similarly unimportant - and no white actress would have the same lips, hair and body shape as the cartoon. Do you have evidence that skull size differs between ethnicities, as you imply? That sounds like a racist fallacy.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Like I said, you really have no clue. It's very well known, and for a long time. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F24024566_Estimation_and_Evidence_in_Forensic_Anthropology_Sex_and_Race%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0goR-FQbYfVFnSA_5tSelbmDkc7zXts_ggXSku92SvIT0oDF7SXORh3yg&h=AT1_4VlA_sCykE09zIGkILZ08XNNavX-cioGX48hRSMVkQM-u76GjF4cN5DTnNOsT4IkJ4Yum_xBEewG8orkAKI2cYHAppZrWLp68jnVR_2FW9DgE0ZIGVoL6dv6cpHB3VOj" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24024566_Estimation_and_Evidence_in_Forensic_Anthropology_Sex_and_Race?fbclid=IwAR0goR-FQbYfVFnSA_5tSelbmDkc7zXts_ggXSku92SvIT0oDF7SXORh3yg" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/.../24024566_Estimation_and...</a><span class="_5uzb">…</span></span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">The linked article does not state that people of different races have different skull sizes. There are some studies suggesting a difference in the density of skull bone, but the whole concept of comparing skulls between races has been generally discredited as racist pseudoscience. In particular, there are environmental factors to consider (ie, black people are more likely to be born into poverty and thus not receive the ample nutrition that we do) but crucially, skull size is known to be inconsequential, and the skull size of any human is out of proportion from A CARTOON. As are body proportions. How can you possibly argue that it's wrong to change a Disney princesses ethnicity because of ethnic variations in shape, when Disney princesses have always had absurd proportions, and when IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE STORY? (Sorry for shouting).</span></span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show"><i>"what importance is it, OTHER THAN CULTURAL HISTORY" uuuuuhhhhhhhhhh Imagine being so woke you inadvertently admit that this is cultural appropriation</i></span><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yWfcVv3UrtY/XTkYGuJTAcI/AAAAAAAAAzo/aXkPrFxiZyQFbanGYroXW0oZY0WdqbN4QCLcBGAs/s1600/589f5f88-b6fa-4c1a-825a-764df24bb8ff.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="427" data-original-width="640" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yWfcVv3UrtY/XTkYGuJTAcI/AAAAAAAAAzo/aXkPrFxiZyQFbanGYroXW0oZY0WdqbN4QCLcBGAs/s320/589f5f88-b6fa-4c1a-825a-764df24bb8ff.jpg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">You seem to be presuming I'm fanatical about bemoaning cultural appropriation - I'm not. I'm concerned about human beings. In this case, because statistics show that black people are treated less well than white people, it's good to have a black main character whose visibility can make a tiny dent in this injustice. Our brains have proven mechanisms of preferring people of our own race, and more exposure to people who are different from us can reduce this - which is vital because, in case you weren't aware, people deserve equal treatment regardless of ethnicity.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"><i> </i></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Hey! There are about 5 million Danes. The story is Danish. The Danish have a specific look. What if the Danes would make a movie about an African myth or folklore and made them all white? The outcry would be heard from the moon! This is beyond ridiculous. This isn't "diversity" (although those who celebrate diversity also object to "diversity" as derogative, it seems they will never be happy), this is a simple case of hijacking another country's heritage.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Do you really think that this is oppressive of Danish people? Just because they live on the same patch of land as Hans Christian Andersen? Was the previous cast, for the cartoon of the Little Mermaid, Danes? Why would anyone feel entitled to a monopoly on the writings of someone else? I don't feel nor have any attachment to the writings of Dickens, Austen or Shakespeare - some of their work has indeed been recreated in entirety unBritish cultural settings and I can't fathom being angry about that.</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Cute <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:)</span></span> NB though - Jesus offers eternal life (heaven) to anyone who chooses to truly accept Him (and demonstrated the authenticity of His power over death by rising), Christened or not. (Christening is a tradition based on the misunderstanding that whether an infant that died would go to heaven was determined by a ceremony).</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">this is not a post to push your religious views</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL what do you reckon I'm advertising? How am I "pushing? I commented, we all do that.</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>I don’t believe that. So these people that murder people that just accept that there is a God and never do a kind thing just get eternal life and go to heaven? I know what the Bible says but I prefer to have the ceremony and tradition of the baptism of babies. </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If a person genuinely accepts Jesus, they'll naturally desire to try to emulate Him, thus won't murder, and will do good.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>HAIL SCIENCE</i></span></span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show">What about it? When did I say that I reject science? I'm trying to finish my Biomedical Sciences degree ATM. If you think that Theism rejects science, you've misunderstood. </span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3tW2lQo9jfHdPrxm2MPHCl2utiWCAoF4d9n9QH8okKOhqd4fzA3DtyJqA&h=AT1YkFPkPaEo3BdJDrkUjk8PmiP8hqestc28KvXcFE-GS1Mda7krkD8dD-PF-s96OAI9Y2SVAsGdKUsSE8MVKxIQJFailpuMxy-ODsy4ewzWEUsZ_009C8C36l2qckMMz0XL" href="https://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/?fbclid=IwAR3tW2lQo9jfHdPrxm2MPHCl2utiWCAoF4d9n9QH8okKOhqd4fzA3DtyJqA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a></span></span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show"><i>THERE IS NO GOD</i></span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show">LOL, I've never come across anyone saying that before...<br />Out of interest, how do you, personally, know?<br />Have you looked at the philosophical and scientific arguments for the existence of a creator? I used to think that God was imaginary, but as I studied biology, I realised that it seemed more likely that there is a creator than that there's not (eg, see, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gsa58Rm8Sk ). Further examination of physics conviced me further (eg , one summary, http://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning).<br />There are plenty of writings and lectures by academics (published authors with PhDs) who explain the arguments for God's existence in more detail, such as John Lennox, Ravi Zacharias, Michael Ramsden, Hugh Ross, William Lane Craig, Allister McGrath and more.<br />Your conclusions are up to you, but I'd recommend not concluding that God is imaginary on the basis of presumption without investigation.</span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">how do you know there is one? Science points to no, but please go one spreading your unwanted dogma</span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"><i> </i></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">As I said, If you think that science and God are opposed, you've misunderstood. Why not try the TIME magazine article I linked to? <br />Why exactly do you think "science points to no"? May I ask - since I'm fascinated by science and by peoples' views - what science you've undertaken yourself? What are your objections to the arguments made in the hyperlinks in my last comment?<br />Science measures matter and energy that God created, it's not able to analyse God Himself directly. But the improbable specificity, and the interdependence, of the universe and biological world, indicate a creator, and that's who/what God is.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span><br />
<i><span class="text_exposed_show">hey do you remember when someone told you Santa didn’t exist? Hate to bear the news but Jesus ain’t son of god either. Still, there’s loads of other great books to read. Stay sane out there 👍🏼</span></i><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show">LOL, how much have you studied this topic?<br />(No one had to tell me about Santa BTW, I worked that out around 4. Belief in God, and in Jesus, are - for me and some academics - based on scientific, historic and philosophical arguments. Have you weighed these up yourself? What do you think of the hyperllinked articles?)</span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show"><i>oh Grace. Please do tell me of the scientific proof for Jesus’ divinity. And gods existence. Enlighten me hallelujah </i></span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show">"enlighten me" - have you actually looked at what I've already hyperlinked? I could explain more myself, an add more articles by PhDs, but there's no point given that you evidently aren't going to read it.</span><br />
<i><span class="text_exposed_show">I have, what else have you got?</span></i><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I shall attempt to answer your questions in order, <br />1, yes<br />2, laughable<br />3, I didn’t ask for that, just for what else you’ve got<br />I’d be interested to hear more of the historical and scientific arguements<br />DM me by all means</span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"><i> </i></span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show">As I said, I only felt that it was likely that Jesus rose from the dead after I'd read a lot on the topic - so there's no way that a sufficiently thorough explanation can be cobbled together in a Facebook thread.<br />Is it Jesus' resurrection that you dispute, or are you entirely atheist? Did you look at the links RE manuscripts and the universe?<br />When you ask for "what else I've got", I could go on and on, if I had time, but I need to know more about what you're thinking than "laughable".</span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">no problem. That reading you did, was it all from apologists? Or have you tried to take an unbiased, sceptical look at the subject? You might find this interesting... <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FrCFuhlnsF9c%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3sfdqwJZ7ZrLUBUrI9Ie_ERsUEqxjBqir2b-OiEmLCieIAkWP7KPD_c18&h=AT35cL5WvGGaN6CZ4Cx8gng5R8Bt9-ry_oQd-45UHZS647l8N4U8n8eAHPK1te0w5Kj4XqjEBwwDJvJgkUw7tEOsUqPRkFurFsX9pG01bqqd09uVjdV1CWTbnwkx2qLQJS_G" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/rCFuhlnsF9c</a></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></i><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show">Carrier is an apologist for mythicism. Each person we read/listen to is a believer in their own conclusions and would like for others to agree with their views, so Christian apologists can't immediately be dismissed, they're explaining the reasons that they've concluded the evidence points towards God and Christ's resurrection.<br />I'm familiar with Carrier and Craig, and have evaluated arguments from both of them already. Note, for example, Wikipedia, which - though obviously never perfect nor thorough enough - is generally neutral/secular, presents a Reception portion of Carrier's page where almost all of the academic reviews are ultimately negative "Simon Gathercole at Cambridge ...concludes that Carrier's arguments, and more broadly, the mythicist positions on different aspects of Paul's letters are contradicted by the historical data"<br />"reviewing Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus.... finds Carrier's arguments "problematic and unpersuasive", his use of Bayesian probabilities "unnecessarily complicated and uninviting" and criticizes Carrier's "lack of evidence, strained readings and troublesome assumptions." "etc, etc.</span><br />
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<i>My plan to protect a woman's right to control her own body:</i><br />
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The issue is with destroying others' bodies by tearing them limb from limb in abortion. A woman can control her own body unless she's raped, but that accounts for only 1% of abortions.<br />
What I find monumentally frustrating is that, obviously, the world needs for America to have a president who cares about the poor, refugees, and climate change, but the Democrats are making plenty of people feel una<span class="text_exposed_show">ble to vote for them by fervently boasting about abortion continuously. Given that 50% of people believe that abortion is morally wrong, and that some floating voters voted for Trump because of Clinton's support for abortion, it seems likely that the Dems could win if they'd stop celebrating abortion. <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2019-05-31%2Fabortion-is-most-divisive-issue-in-gallup-values-beliefs-poll%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1fw6le5LibQAsinJJMdYyumbRKWTvMiq3EpYJ5FJylV7Vo73H8LKnxK_U&h=AT19AuGbC6knNTz6bjT3mk2fpZD7IW3W3h6aOS6CxqWyh6hPdTSIr1QWtf8-oAQE_VjsxHnWkPj0ITbWxKizLSyCjnBtJNu6CIfUiDq88OamxdeVTSATyuRzVNctTuWKolf2NPTN" href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-31/abortion-is-most-divisive-issue-in-gallup-values-beliefs-poll?fbclid=IwAR1fw6le5LibQAsinJJMdYyumbRKWTvMiq3EpYJ5FJylV7Vo73H8LKnxK_U" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>2019-05-31/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>abortion-is-most-divisive-issue-in-gallup<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>-values-beliefs-poll</a></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The real issue is that no one can be forced to allow another to use their body against their will, even if they will die without it. Nice try, though.</span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"><i> </i></span><br />
"no one can be forced to allow another to use their body" but a human can be forced through a vacuum aspirator or between surgical blades and into an incinerator? Even when the former has already had a choice (several in fact, such as Plan B) and the latter hasn't? Why? </div>
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The word "evangelical" has been massively misused for decades. Like the word Christian, many people use it because of the community that they're brought up in, not necessarily adhering to the actual meaning of the word.<br />
Christian, by definition, means "little Christ" - that is, to accept Jesus' sacrifice and in turn genuinely desire to emulate Him.<br />
Evangelical comes from "Evangel", meaning good <span class="text_exposed_show">news - that good news being that Christ offers eternal life (heaven) to anyone who chooses to truly accept Him (and demonstrated the authenticity of His power over death by rising), Ie. Evangelical means wanting desperately to share the message that we believe matters more than anything else (given the eternality of what's offered, and that we experience joy in this lifetime in knowing Christ that we want others to experience).<br />So, so often, people call themselves Christians and/or Evangelicals, whilst their actions demonstrate that they're in fact not actually interested in following Jesus.</span> </div>
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<i>yeah. Neither works just fine for me. Both are hypocrites.</i></div>
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We're all individuals. I'm well aware that plenty are hypocrites, that's what I just wrote, you needn't tell me. And I'm obviously massively flawed, though I am trying. But what you think of Christians doesn't matter. What do you think of Christ?</div>
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Those who fought for abortion legalisation were motivated by a desire to reduce the birth rate amongst people who they deemed inferior, including African Americans. It's disgusting.</div>
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NB, BoJo spoke positively about colonialism in Africa. The ignorance, or lack of humanity, that he and Widecombe have regarding the indescribable tragedy of what was done to African people is mindblowing.</div>
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ith all due respect, are you uninformed or uncaring? Slavery, to which Anne Widecombe compared being in the EU, has involved countless innocent human beings being ripped from their homes and families; brutally abused; raped; forced into to literally tortuous labour; and murdered. How can you not be horrified by that? Crucially slavery and colonialism of the past still cause immeasurable suffering today, because of the poverty and disorder left behind - and modern day slavery and colonialism are also impacting pain beyond anything we experience.</span></span><br />
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Nah. "Christian" by definition, means to love Jesus and thus desire to emulate Him. We're still very, very far from perfect, but because we genuinely want to follow Christ, we don't do things like this^.<br />
^They are one of the many, many people who call themselves Christian because it's a familiar label that they like, and which they hope might make them appear more noble, but calling yourself something doesn't mean that you are that thing, and the actions of a person ignoring Christ's teachings shouldn't determine what you think of Christ, regardless of them calling themselves Christian.</div>
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hose priests are lying hypocrites and God despises their behaviour. They've taken up a job, that doesn't mean that they're actually following God at all, evidently they aren't. If you read the New Testament, you'll see that Jesus spends much of His time brutally reprimanding priests.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">T</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hose priests are lying hypocrites and God despises their behaviour. They've taken up a job, that doesn't mean that they're actually following God at all, evidently they aren't. If you read the New Testament, you'll see that Jesus spends much of His time brutally reprimanding priests.</span></span></div>
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Obviously, we should be seriously concerned about relative poverty, but deaths in the streets and child poverty are separate issues. I'm really, really not diminishing these tragedies, but they need to be discussed in accurate detail, a phrase like "children dying on our streets" simply for emotional effect whilst overlooking the specifics is probably not helpful.<br />
There are children in relative p<span class="text_exposed_show">overty (nb, different from absolute poverty, as defined by the UN, which doesn't get enough of our attention) and data and particular contributing factors to this. <br />There are people on the streets, and some lose their lives, an issue for which there are other statistics and contributing factors. <br />Children on the streets are put into care as soon as they're found, which is of course a desperately sad situation, but it's distinct from the situation for adults on the streets who might stay there and not survive.<br />Both of these are heartbreaking beyond words, and need to be comprehensively addressed, but they're not the same thing.</span><br />
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<i>I</i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">t really is equivalence - whether the mother wants an abortion, or is over the moon to finally be pregnant after struggling, what's in her womb is a tiny, innocent, living human.<br />The point is that, rather than supporting the killing of unwanted babies, our society could support and facilitate adoption, since there are women utterly desperate for a newborn.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">so you want breeders to go through all the dangers that pregnancy brings with it as well as the mental trauma and then give birth so women who can’t have children can have a newborn? Do you live in Gilead? Adoption is an alternatively motherhood not pregnancy and there are plenty children in the world looking for a loving home already.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"breeders"? Yikes, do you not see how grossly dehumanising of women that is?<br />Are you unaware that abortion entails dangers and mental trauma? For example, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambridge.org%2Fcore%2Fjournals%2Fthe-british-journal-of-psychiatry%2Farticle%2Fabortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009%2FE8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1O5Bls6phB29ol-wE3IP5CKpAf1Ueva2dsiwThVham75PhSQ-ck1EFx1Y&h=AT2wJ6BivDfa1a_IjQmsO2kUArUkIdu8ThJkVMt__GTuWlRBau3-z141VwNQmKlTpSq2-9WfZN8klJdQQ1tsLOiJCmFcWQbGZz0_nRSmSC7lNEX9l1PBPus5WFAcJ7yOcYaO" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/abortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009/E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D?fbclid=IwAR1O5Bls6phB29ol-wE3IP5CKpAf1Ueva2dsiwThVham75PhSQ-ck1EFx1Y" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.cambridge.org/.../E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BE...</a> ; <br /><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flifecharity.org.uk%2Fnews-and-views%2Fambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2a3ivyDqW9pyTnA9XqWAKaZBJ0r4zNn2Us2FCaXP_ATmhniBdS7s3jY8w&h=AT1gReuOYdckks4trg5SU1POf8ASbAhDqC96M8yZxtXGr7wcGwYQ7bNnoFEomazndfECz_XJQHWPuJd5STULZmvouHw-6R-lz9P74APKNToFw7gZEEbrjbclthQnIZmS9g_K" href="https://lifecharity.org.uk/news-and-views/ambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics/?fbclid=IwAR2a3ivyDqW9pyTnA9XqWAKaZBJ0r4zNn2Us2FCaXP_ATmhniBdS7s3jY8w" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://lifecharity.org.uk/.../ambulances-called-778.../</a><br />In Gilead, women are raped, and they're forced to give up babies that they want (they're also forced to live in servitude); how exactly is that like women being pregnant because they've chosen to have sex, and give up babies because they don't want to raise them?<br />I'm aware that there are children in need of adoption and that's tragic - but many adoptive couples specifically want a newborn. Were it up to me, the government would do far more (than it is now) to encourage adoption of older children also.</span></span></div>
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I'm not sure what that last comment means, the sentence structure doesn't quite make sense. But if you're implying that I'm racist, and by fascinated to know how you've reached that erroneous conclusion. Nb the abortion movement was initially largely fuelled by racism - those arguing to make it legal had argued that the black birth rate should be reduced.<br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I agree that there should be free birth control and sex ed - but we also need to stop conning teenagers into the lie that sex is necessary as soon as one's 16.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I'd expect nothing less from a jesus freak. Calling a small bunch of useless biological cells "a tiny human" .</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">LOL Dinesh, define "Jesus freak". I'm happy to be called that, but what do you think it means such that you (evidently) resent it? Why do you bring it up, when I never mentioned it?<br />And a foetus is, by definition, a tiny human, who told you otherwise? I won't argue about embryos, but within 2 months, the unborn is a foetus (nb, foetus is simply Latin for "offspring") with brain waves, not just a few "useless cells". Even at the embryo stage, those cells are not "useless" they contain the genome that will direct them to grow into a fully developed adult. Surely you knew that? I haven't yet finished my biomedical sciences degree yet but I'm working on it, which scientific authority told you that a foetus isn't human?</span></span><br />
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<i>srsly, you lot in the UK can afford a home, it's whether you want to save up for it. In HK, where a 500sqft apartment goes for HKD 5 million in a remote far out satellite town, that's called a dream.</i></div>
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"you lot in the UK can afford a home, it's whether you want to save up for it."? According to who? The average salary here is £28,000 - but most young people are earning far, far less then that. Many young people then have to spend half their income on rent, since they can't yet afford a home, as well as having to pay for food etc, leaving tiny amounts to save up - so how do you reach the conclusion that we can afford homes when they cost £200,000 to £million?<br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5Q5Fut1qwEk/XTkY7SR0xBI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/dRJPxbNgaYY0OiLSNS4UI1jxBGkMr94OACLcBGAs/s1600/AdobeStock_116049078.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1069" data-original-width="1600" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5Q5Fut1qwEk/XTkY7SR0xBI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/dRJPxbNgaYY0OiLSNS4UI1jxBGkMr94OACLcBGAs/s320/AdobeStock_116049078.jpeg" width="320" /></a>I'm incredibly privileged in that my parents haven't kicked me out, I'm well aware that I live in luxury by comparison to much of humanity, and I'll continue doing housework for them and be a carer for them when they're older. But the reality, following on from the original post, is that homes here too truly are unaffordable for our generation. Yet I'm incomparably more concerned about those living in refugee camps and slums elsewehere in the world.<br />
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Far right? Far right is to abuse the poor and minorities, not simply to oppose the termination of a biological process. If a person has chosen to have sex, it's not hatred or oppression for a resulting pregnancy to continue (obviously, abortion is allowed when the mother's life is genuinely at risk, no legislation is opposing that - but such instances only account for several% of abortions ATM).<br />
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Obviously, Brunei's previously proposed law against gay sex was utterly evil - but I'm concerned that posters about events will only make Brunei politicians more certain that the LGBT movement ought to be restrained. Does Heathrow really think that what they're doing will help gay people?<br />
Can't we all stop obsessing over sexuality?<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/videos/1291275907688648/"><span class="fwb">Stella Creasy on her miscarriage pain and officials' 'blank' reaction to her pregnancy</span></a></div>
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I am really, really not unsympathetic to the tragedy of her miscarriages - but it's absurd that she's also campaigned fervently for women to be enabled to have their unborn, at even later stages of development, torn to pieces. She discussed "knowing that her baby was dead inside her", at an early gestational stage - thus by her own words, an unborn human is a baby, and yet she's been fighting to make it more possible for them to be killed.<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">NB, abortion is in fact legal in NI "to save the life of the mother" or "if continuing the pregnancy would result in the pregnant woman becoming a physical or mental wreck". I'm ongoingly baffled that some people passionately argue that it would be morally right to make it legal for any reason at all at stages when there's brain functionality.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Who is making that claim? And what stage of pregnancy do you think that is?</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I can see from your comment on this post that you're "making this claim" - how have you ended up equating NOT killing tiny humans with the killing of Jewish human beings? Can you really not see that abortion is more comparable to Nazism than restricting abortion is?<br />Brain function begins within 2 months - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehd.org%2Fscience_main.php%3Flevel%3Di%26s1%3Don%26s2%3Don%26s0%3Don%26s3%3Don%26ops%3D%26submit_button%3DRefresh%2520Page%26re%3Don%26L1%3D1%26L2%3D0%26fbclid%3DIwAR1BjVw_08AYm2wfNeWYL3CrWQdtHO3oPrOTOV3Ym5Vxgk6ISjRgwyeAdjs&h=AT3UEftShORWT-wcAGbQVrFqSw6d7XEwHqFwKyrOR59x_XGRPU9pD4Hb58_yPgoNjlSXSsEuz3xcqXpyWbm4HRLdhja_Rpg3a5yQzK7wyzocTt2gZlml-VcEr4L2KpIpzy7v" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.ehd.org/science_main.php?level=i&s1=on&s2=on...</a></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">And Tories aren't Nazis just because of this. They're Nazis because they openly and proudly hold Nazi beliefs. Their hatred of everyone who isn't a straight white man and their desire to strip everyone else of basic rights and eventually life is what makes them Nazis.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i></div>
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What evidence do you have that all Tories, or at least BoJo and Hunt, have those views? Obviously, I hate a lot of (most, I suspect) of Tory policy, and wouldn't vote for them; and obviously, some individual Tories are evil, but we can't make things better by over generalisimg groups of people. We need to assess each person's arguments and actions. In this case, BoJo has provided adequate evidence<span class="text_exposed_show"> of bigotry, and I dearly wish he wasn't on course to become PM. But whilst I absolutely don't agree with much that Hunt's done, I really don't see how you can equate him with mass murderers.<br />Opposing abortion is not motivated by hatred of others, it's motivated by the conciousness that the unborn is a living human (and also that having an abortion leaves many women emotionally scarred).</span> </div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fentertainment%2Fmusic%2Fla-et-ms-miley-cyrus-mothers-daughter-video-20190702-story.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR270b_8PtXbkJGdcGBSCqu-kGMpyk2FuXo_qarIRXQLmkmf2Q1y1H2-SrY&h=AT3AgUznMcsl6dogldeaoQzFd8C6DJaPWqLpEmTL5NKH2-PYitIMDMhwG7--6Q9QUs6aNFwgVa6pJ8LYaUTzGF67haBtBTQ8KZSdN7g2b-LkU6JX9II8s76saONAuy8enx6mkw" href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-miley-cyrus-mothers-daughter-video-20190702-story.html?fbclid=IwAR270b_8PtXbkJGdcGBSCqu-kGMpyk2FuXo_qarIRXQLmkmf2Q1y1H2-SrY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Miley Cyrus -‘Mother’s Daughter’ video</span>"Virginity is a social construct," </a></div>
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Virginity is perfectly reasonable, and is a way to avoid STIs and emotional pain - but sex sells, so it's been shoved in our faces through pop culture since the 60s, and we grow up being lied to that it's essential for everyone past 16.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.christianheadlines.com%2Fdenison-forum%2Fthe-border-crisis-biblical-responses-to-the-needs-of-children.html%3Futm_medium%3Dfbpage%26utm_source%3Dchpg%26utm_campaign%3Dchupdate%26fbclid%3DIwAR3s1bf9dhvqG3g1LIFm-7-O9kL-R0fDLmg9OL9cfsaodDCIvWkkZO-5CO8&h=AT0hnHzCYcUo3NbJjHGGcOfRh0sAAXwQqpiCtzjgp5atC0dm0ipMdPJ63QFyIsQVQtdLTzZ2FOgsMBzSGQ794DFsb7woB7sRVNKapFlDu419uljspR_-qM7pkgmuXwlKzhLtjQ" href="https://www.christianheadlines.com/denison-forum/the-border-crisis-biblical-responses-to-the-needs-of-children.html?utm_medium=fbpage&utm_source=chpg&utm_campaign=chupdate&fbclid=IwAR3s1bf9dhvqG3g1LIFm-7-O9kL-R0fDLmg9OL9cfsaodDCIvWkkZO-5CO8" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Border Crisis: Biblical Responses to the Needs of Children</span></a><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The Bible makes it clear that God wants us to help refugees....[quotations]</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">God doesn't give a ruler permission to create any laws that they like and ignore His commands - Jesus taught that to love others is the most important command after loving God, the government is not endorsed by God in breaking this command by failing to have compassion. “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Loving your neighbor as yourself does not means an impersonal love even as imperfections it doesn’t mean to enable people because they have made poor political choices and life choices so we should give them 1/2 of what you have.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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What do you mean by "poor political choices"? Seriously, how have people in South America "chosen" to be born into neighbourhoods where gangs terrorise them? Nb, much of the conflict is ultimately the result of the actions of previous US governments.<br />
It's not an "invasion". Invasion means the taking of personal propoerty and use of force - South American migrants are simply trying to move from one<span class="text_exposed_show"> area of God's Earth to another, so that they can undertake work and avoid deadly gangs.<br />Also, rates of crime amongst migrants are in fact lower than the US population - ie they're less likely to be criminals than American citezens are.<br />Good grief, you honestly think that migration is the work of Satan? Can you explain that theologically? <br />Stories about migrants in Paris have been grossly distorted - you've been misled. Though in a few instances, problems have arisen because of Islam - even still, nearly all Muslims are genuinely good people and no threat, as most ignore (or are unaware of).Muhammed's violence. Most Muslims make a positive contribution to society - but in the tiny number of cases where some migrants in Europe have caused trouble, it's parts of Islam (parts not followed at all by most Muslims) that's to blame, so it makes no sense to block South American migrants on the basis of any problems in Europe.<br />How can you overlook Jesus' teachings about the good Samaritan, and the sheep and goats?</span></div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi-d.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2Fzmp7we%2Fstockholm-fashion-week-cancelled-on-account-of-sustainability%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbuk%26fbclid%3DIwAR30JKjzIxU93nmbZQcO_wLQXB0qryypnTYW6Cqxe7agxkdV5waTY-N-3S4&h=AT0SlYL5cmPoBHw_DdKijHM_AFsHfMnIGA3mMdJn2VnIfPVfTTjpoald6FVDuiwjQWkROmVEyq4Fsf_kAg9zh6IitifmBf47F5zOXu9gBeZcouOIGVmrqvRjlayH9D20Ns5gpQ" href="https://i-d.vice.com/en_us/article/zmp7we/stockholm-fashion-week-cancelled-on-account-of-sustainability?utm_source=vicefbuk&fbclid=IwAR30JKjzIxU93nmbZQcO_wLQXB0qryypnTYW6Cqxe7agxkdV5waTY-N-3S4" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Stockholm Fashion Week Cancelled on Account of Sustainability</span></a></div>
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Awesome. Most clothes are produced by people paid so little that they have to live off rice, in slums, despite extreme hours in torturous conditions. We can transform their lives by giving to the organisations that provide education and training in their communities, and that's incomparably more exciting than buying new clothes for the sake of fashion (rather than need).<br />
I urge others to check out <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=7214031395&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARA0_vyd72tJfo7eMd88PcqHxZk6useoDttZsZkwx38YCY--Chf5aaXv25jMgjSd29nBrU3ZUE5q6xV0%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/oxfamGB/?eid=ARA0_vyd72tJfo7eMd88PcqHxZk6useoDttZsZkwx38YCY--Chf5aaXv25jMgjSd29nBrU3ZUE5q6xV0&fref=tag">Oxfam Great Britain</a>, who sell clothes online (their site and on ebay) as well as instore - some are awful, but there are enough that are brilliant if you explore.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmashable.com%2Farticle%2Fsex-positivity-asexual-demisexual-community%2F%3Futm_source%3Dsocial%26utm_medium%3Dfacebook%26utm_campaign%3Dmash-com-fb-main-link%26utm_content%3Dsocialgood%26fbclid%3DIwAR3CDE_0JaTCih5uyt726Z3kRAbVcJsZry52sMmUTOhXGnfZk_ATePKrtRA&h=AT2WOJCE79Xk_aZDsrECBDRi4kK7OVXHEcy3KMpsijqMkf9Zagki8Bbxa0K8YXUW1inxV_YEP6FjamfECpV0CG9ySJ4TuFohYlmGA2VE2_X4-qJ14F3ulvIrwFMlP03t7GpW2A" href="https://mashable.com/article/sex-positivity-asexual-demisexual-community/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=mash-com-fb-main-link&utm_content=socialgood&fbclid=IwAR3CDE_0JaTCih5uyt726Z3kRAbVcJsZry52sMmUTOhXGnfZk_ATePKrtRA" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">How the queer community can embrace the asexual spectrum</span></a><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Obviously I mean no offence to the queer community, but why do you presume that asexuals want to be "embraced" by it? As an asexual, I firmly believe that human beings shouldn't need separated communities or to identify ourselves by what we do in private (sex) - as human beings we have endless traits and interests aside from sex, and I hate how our culture has become so obsessed with it.<br />What "understanding" should we need? If we don't want to have sex, it's no one else's business. Why would I care if people think me never having sex is odd?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I think I understand it's all a bit prosumptuous that you want to be embraced not unlike Christians wanting to save people all the time <span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t34/1/16/1f914.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">🤔</span></span>. The obsession with sex has certainly done major damage to the gay community and as for body shaming <span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t81/1/16/1f60c.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">😌</span></span></span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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I'm sorry if you've experienced annoying Christians. Though NB, some who call themselves Christians are wrong to do so, since they're not in fact in love with, and thus emulating, Christ. But some of us genuine Christians are also naff at representing Jesus. Clearly there's been some misunderstanding between Christians and you. Essentially, we have certainty (some just because of their ba<span class="text_exposed_show">ckground - but some because of the evidence) that God exists and has offered each person eternal life with Him (free of all frustration and pain) through Jesus. We know that many people are rejecting that offer, as well as the joy that we experience in this lifetime with Him. Because of the magnitude of this good, and because Jesus urged us to spread Hid message, we feel compelled to tell others about Him. It doesn't score points for being on trend, nor profit, in the way that Mashable etc hope to by splashing sex everywhere. And peace with God will last forever, unlike sex lives, hence our desperation to nudge people towards it. But I'm well aware that plenty of Christians go about evangelism in daft ways.</span><br />
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What if we stopped replacing our tech devices simply because new editions come out (ie, only buy a new phone when our existing one dies etc) and gave the money we save to charities providing aid/education/training etc for those in Africa's poorest communities?....<br />
Eg. Sponsoring a child costs £25/month ($38 - or £300/year), and provides supplementary food, medical checks, lessons and mentoring for an impoverished child, enabling them to grow up healthy and able to go on to university and/or good work, rather than having to undertake tortuous work like this^. Yet it's entirely normal for us to spend more than that on updating our gadgets, perpetuating this^ brutal industry.</div>
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This is tragic, and so, so wrong. I can't stress enough - abuse of trans people is abhorrent, and MUST be stopped. Yet our society also needs to stop endorsing discomfort with one's own body. We need to help people accept who they are, especially since stereotypes are rightly being dismantled.<br />
If a person is XX, a girl is what they are, and that's it. If they want to have short hair, dress in boy<span class="text_exposed_show">s' clothes and undertake historically "male" hobbies, that's a part of the unique, priceless individual that they are - it doesn't mean, as our society impresses on them, that they were "born in the wrong body" and in need of surgery and lifelong hormone injections in order to be their "real selves".<br />Almost all children who question their gender are fine with their birth sex when they're older, if they aren't encouraged along the path to transition. It's horrific that our culture supports them not reaching that happiness with their natural bodies, and instead insists that it's moral and compassionate to begin giving them injections.<br />I can't stress enough, I'm NOT trying to criticise trans people themselves, though I know it must seem like it. It's disgusting that some trans people are attacked, and I desperately hope that that can be combatted. My frustration is with the confusion itself that some feel; and with the societal (and profit making) forces that have fuelled the reported^ increase which in fact do not have have others' best interests at heart.</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">but being trans is not about the clothes you wear. Some trans people *need* hormones and surgery. For them, these treatments can literally be life saving. I have had a double mastectomy and am *so much happier* since I had it. I have also been taking testosterone for 5 years and am much happier for that too. Now tell me, what right do you have to tell me this treatment wasn't necessary or was even harmful for me?</span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">also, no a girl is not necessarily what you are if you have xx chromosomes. I have xx chromosomes but I'm a guy.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I don't want to argue. There are things I want to respond with, but because this is such a sensitive subject, I think I should just shut up. I don't think that what I've said is wrong, but restating it with more reasoning won't achieve anything positive. All that matters to me so far as you yourself are concerned, is that I believe God loves you beyond measure.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You say abuse of transgender people is abhorrent then literally go on to abuse them by denying their existence! New level of cognitive dissonance right here</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How, exactly, is what I've written abuse? Could you please clarify quoting specific sentences from the paragraph I wrote? I'm really, really not intending to be abusive - and your stating that what I wrote is abuse suggests somewhat that you're unaware of the severe mistreatment that some trans people do face. I haven't used derogatory language, nor criticised people themselves/individuals. I'm aware that some trans people face physical attacks, which is grotesque and heartbreaking - disagreeing with a societal force, and wishing that people were able to cope with the bodies they were born in, is not the same thing.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">“If a person is XX, a girl is what they are and that’s it”. It’s untrue and denies the fact that trans women are women, just like trans men are men.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">My statement wasn't abuse, just biology. But, crucially, all people - very, very, very much including those who are trans - are equally precious and deserving of respect as individuals, so I really don't want this to become an argument.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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Of course it could be of some help - but surely, in most instances, the money that the trip costs would actually make far more impact on the cause if it were given to charities already working there? And flying around the globe has a huge carbon footprint.<br />
I sponsor several children, each costing £300/year - if I travelled to their countries, it would cost me that much and more, and I wouldn't be able to do anywhere near what the staff (from their communities, employed by the sponsorship money to teach and mentor them) achieve.<br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">90% of donations end up lost in administration fees, corruption, etc. I have volunteered in many places and donated money to others. Depends on the country, the cause, the organisation, etc</span></span></i> </div>
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Of course the mainstream is embracing it, it's intriguing or arousing for some people - but according to much commentary I've observed, many of LGBT people are angry about this fetishisation. Both Bella Hadid’s virtual kiss and Ariana Grande’s girl/girl kiss have been lambasted as queer baiting. Are you, Guardian, putting an attempt at virtue signalling and point scoring in the culture wars above the feelings of actual LGBT people?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fglblctzn.me%2F2xjhD4S%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2Dz9zM-C0_U-Xg4ivoVtzIyc-ujl-ybt2WodTsXNfcHm0Q4sA1nH7FcSw&h=AT2AlgsiiTiut6fgUSpgojEHclv7ClC9DEyRxHNQWG3l-_qb_fNFKIGJt-Hk58gGB4kg9LI__bz_v6SRRNnOe7KmDpe9IdfWgD2Wb17gKt1deSmwmJGCpQGnSMMR-qcDHyaEpA" href="https://glblctzn.me/2xjhD4S?fbclid=IwAR2Dz9zM-C0_U-Xg4ivoVtzIyc-ujl-ybt2WodTsXNfcHm0Q4sA1nH7FcSw" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Muslim Women Protest Burkini Ban in France Swimming Pool</span></a><br />
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Whilst it's obviously wrong to ban swimsuits, I really don't think that this should be compared to the oppression of black people in the US. Rosa Parks needed to use the bus for work, and was expected to get up, whilst physically exhausted, because she was treated as inferior to a white person. Swimming is a leisure activity, and everyone has the option of wearing other swimsuits. I myself can't g<span class="text_exposed_show">o swimming because I'm too anxious about a body deformity, but though is like to go swimming, life is ok. And ultimately, God didn't actually ban typical swimsuits. It's also concerning that some Muslim women are pressured into wearing things that they don't want to by others in their communities.<br />Again, I'm not endorsing the bans, I just think that this shouldn't be compared to the civil rights movement.</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fprince-william-says-he-would-fully-support-his-kids-if-they-came-out-as-lgbtq%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2MwyciWZCjlg1FtSFDaxoBB4yI2nozvRj3RY9XJyAMEt2-jQAzv1ZfRbk&h=AT3jt90fTdRyclMeatt5gpuC3B6kXlgyEIY24RrZmPTDJ4id17EX24dVBBeoto09A-D-XIuErLxQhHItsy4a6PwdyFb59LfQef1u6F88--wqGX1gaTGhXYOD6vzPo_HvtEPQIA" href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-william-says-he-would-fully-support-his-kids-if-they-came-out-as-lgbtq/?fbclid=IwAR2MwyciWZCjlg1FtSFDaxoBB4yI2nozvRj3RY9XJyAMEt2-jQAzv1ZfRbk" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Prince William says he would "fully support" his kids if they came out as LGBTQ</span></a><br />
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Obviously one would hope that all parents would love their children unconditionally (and it's tragic when this issue divides families) - but I think it's pretty wrong to be talking about the potential sexuality of small children for the sake of culture wars. It's none of our business, and children, in particular, shouldn't be defined by the adult activities they might do behind closed doors. I think that this questioning of William was more about trying to annoy those who aren't pro-LGBT than anything - and kids shouldn't be used for someone else's point scoring.<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">But then those same people look at two toddlers holding hands and say "OMG THEYRE GONNA GET MAAAARRIIIIIEEEED SO CUUUUUTE"</span></span></i> <br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QrUv4kLNYcs/XTkZ1OeBNWI/AAAAAAAAA08/JIj3j4TTHIYo3ItPeKtfY5ecWWuSjoOJQCLcBGAs/s1600/AdobeStock_164868155.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1514" data-original-width="1600" height="302" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QrUv4kLNYcs/XTkZ1OeBNWI/AAAAAAAAA08/JIj3j4TTHIYo3ItPeKtfY5ecWWuSjoOJQCLcBGAs/s320/AdobeStock_164868155.jpeg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Which same people? Indeed, it would be daft to talk about toddlers future marriages. <br />I had a boyfriend when I was 6 - but that was my decision and I'd have felt seriously violated by anyone discussing my sexuality or future marriage - not least in the press.</span></span><br />
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Jesus is God and our primary example of how God wants us to live – and He taught us that those in need, including those from opposing nations, are neighbours that we should help (the parable is so well known that we still use the word Samaritan in common language).<br />
The parable of the sheep and the goats makes it indisputable that God wants us to help the underprivileged.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F1146362%2Fboris-johnson-tory-leadership-latest-bbc-news-macron-brexit-latest-news-update%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_campaign%3Ddxfb%26fbclid%3DIwAR1jhUwo9VX6T4v0ZgYl-RDanDqpv312X6PoUpJoN4Q83UOrMolUpr8JzKY&h=AT2KMaz8jJk_-odZ3NasvH8KHegowKoYol7OuLZt932b0WPGnj_1HRG-JxxJ1l7z3rt5UMlpdR7L6tdpG7Y632-nICkiMGYETxv-zYs5XvxdN5PLJeu_KxTTnyTyGN2zo4ACpg" href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1146362/boris-johnson-tory-leadership-latest-bbc-news-macron-brexit-latest-news-update?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=dxfb&fbclid=IwAR1jhUwo9VX6T4v0ZgYl-RDanDqpv312X6PoUpJoN4Q83UOrMolUpr8JzKY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Boris censored by BBC over shock insult to the French in Brexit film to avoid Macron fury</span></a><br />
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If a person wants to be PM, they should be capable of keeping potentially diplomatically dangerous statements to themselves.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">but it's alright to interfere in there private life what hypocracy</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></i> </div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Asking Boris what happened when an argument caused so much noise that police were called is a question, not interference. He could tell the truth, which the relevant member of his private life knows anyway, but he won't because he's done something that the public, who he wants to rule, would be concerned by. That's in no way comparable to saying daft things about Macron - he's entitled to have opinions on Macron, but expressing things that are offensive will only hinder the country's prospects, and that makes him unqualified to be PM.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You keep blowing your trumpet for the e.u and I blow mine for the u.k my beloved country which is not yours stick to macron were you one of those who called for the police to go with b.b.c into cliff richards house you nosey parkers</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL, according to who is this your country and not mine? I've lived here all my life (as have my parents, as did my grandparents, my great grand parents, and so on) - and I'm not pro-EU or Mcron at all, I simply know that we need a PM with more common sense.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.premierchristianity.com%2FBlog%2FWhy-Nadia-Bolz-Weber-s-Sexual-Reformation-isn-t-backed-up-by-scripture%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0FUmKtCpnY2TjmIqR5-99uUxMchg9FB_LiV5-3mElhEDR-skFBfaQNKkU&h=AT3sFC-X_Vhn_aPr4YcSAGcaf2OmiVMvKeq-iaMn7PP0kWAtzYCdi8TBlI8IPSaFnLkduEKqHUlK9afwvNkh3R4gmKx_Nan2Kt5pqEGv_fm3_fJbCFzM7Di425dITaPS859aww" href="https://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/Why-Nadia-Bolz-Weber-s-Sexual-Reformation-isn-t-backed-up-by-scripture?fbclid=IwAR0FUmKtCpnY2TjmIqR5-99uUxMchg9FB_LiV5-3mElhEDR-skFBfaQNKkU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Why Nadia Bolz-Weber's 'Sexual Reformation' isn't backed up by scripture - Premier Christianity</span></a></div>
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<i>Interesting the analogy to Martin Luther's reformation and what Bolz-Weber proposes. The article asserts that while Luther's reformation was Scriptural, hers isn't. 1.2 billion Catholics would disagree either are based in Scripture.</i><br />
Without wanting to argue, whether or not peole agree doesn't tell us whether or not the reformation was scriptural. Something could even partially wrongly interpret a text, yet still be based on that text. Many people would disagree that Christianity as a whole is based in reality - that doesn't mean that Christianity is not real (ie, those people, despiite being of large numbers, are wrong).</div>
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We, white people, live in relative wealth as a result of the injustices that have left other countries grossly impoverished. It's right for us to donate to the organisations that have been thoroughly checked and are working efficiently to lift people permanently out of poverty.<br />
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Seriously, Sun, what is wrong with you? "Extreme Weight Loss ... Wow - she looks incredible" - obviously you've not experienced Anorexia, but do you not at least have the common sense to be aware that some people do? Are you too ignorant to know that messages like this contribute to destroyed lives, and to deaths, or do you just not care?</div>
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<i>I look forward to speaking with Prime Minister Modi about the fact that India, for years having put very high Tariffs against the United States, just recently increased the Tariffs even further. This is unacceptable and the Tariffs must be withdrawn!</i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why is it unacceptable? Your GDP per capita is almost 10x that of India.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">so we should just shove money to them because they are poor at the game of business....? We could just cut them out completely if they play hard ball if they really want to. Plus their living standards are much less than that of an American. So it actually isn’t that large of a gap. Might want to learn a bit more on those Economics....</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Poor at business? No, they're poor, and Western nations are rich, because of centuries of theft. Eg <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Findepth%2Fopinion%2Fbritain-stole-45-trillion-india-181206124830851.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3c5Ja2DiNH8FaE0PivmRrWatO5XD6w9exWrtIpe14ZS0ohsv0Gi2AP2iM&h=AT3wyJl0RgGrPYv6X24V2GY2wreX7Ru2z99uV4idDVux0d0xRf0sA7kR0_F6Ca1ACVmZhul_YOHLBY45o3rBJ-kvqSejSzxaAyH3cAjoOacbiYCTmYTxM4FKpgm-ePPiCknt" href="https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-stole-45-trillion-india-181206124830851.html?fbclid=IwAR3c5Ja2DiNH8FaE0PivmRrWatO5XD6w9exWrtIpe14ZS0ohsv0Gi2AP2iM" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.aljazeera.com/.../britain-stole-45-trillion...</a><span class="whitespace"> </span><br />"their living standards are much less than that of an American"? Is that what you meant to write? Indeed their living standards, on average, are far lower - that's why it's right for them to benefit more from trade. It's not the same as just "shoving money to them" - but, frankly, if we have enough money to squander it on cafe beverages, flights to go on holidays, etc, we should be shoving money to those who don't even havve clean water, or who rely on farming but have so little crop yeild that they commit suicide.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i> <br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">She is from England, she does not understand business or how the whole economy thing works. All she knows is how important the queen is. India needs to take care of India, if America is successful it is because we earned it. We are not responsible for every country on earth, time for all the other countries to do what we did and become self sufficient. This isn't Robin Hood. Money is not given it is earned.</span></span></i> <br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">LOL, why do you think " All she knows is how important the queen is"? With all due respect, you evidently know nothing about Britain. The Queen is nice, but not at all politically "important", and we all know it here.<br />Ha, "if America is successful it is because we earned it"? According to what authority? America made itself wealthy predominantly by stealing land and forcing slaves to farm it, and now through corporations exploiting other nations. Both your country and mine are wealthy because of injustice, not because we "earned it". It's not our fault personally, but it means that we don't deserve what we have, and we have a responsibility to help those born into the world's most severe poverty.<br />Also, God commands us repeatedly to help the poor, specifically including those of other nations, but I don't know wehether or not you're interested in Him.</span></span> <br />
<i>blaming Americans here and now, for other countries or old families and the reason how we got here, is like blaming my family for being German and Jewish people dying, yet they immigrated to the US before those wars. Can’t say the second statement with a straight face and be right so the first doesn’t work either. So nice try on your long shot, but epic fail with liberal logic. </i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm not "blaming Americans here and now" for the past, I already said that "It's not our fault personally, but it means that we don't deserve what we have, and we have a responsibility to help those born into the world's most severe poverty." - we should be more supportive of the development of impoverished countries,m where there are peole in poverty worse than we can imagine. Whether or not people happen to have "business skills" (though most of the wealth of your nation and mine is the result of theft, not skills - as well as colonialism, check out this - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR11ZdaR-RU1UY3b3AEqCNgp6DvvDTwJJsN5XHcrB38ft3ThCWjz_w7JvFU&h=AT0xFgJGTNxZmMbFaIHw9PQKvsXz_FLFYW1K-fbYq08qtYg6MgjtK0XT5Bgcd549xdJPImRvtv-UkLzD68L3cOwY2kPwjedINXxbEI8Q1sVHGXmsNcDMeASuIci5iSLlvAQ1" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR11ZdaR-RU1UY3b3AEqCNgp6DvvDTwJJsN5XHcrB38ft3ThCWjz_w7JvFU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a> ) doesn't determine whether they deserve to live comfortably or not.</span></span><i> </i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">yes we have a high GDP but we also have 330 plus million people living in this country. Such a stupid comment you just posted. We've had successful leaders which enriched this country over the years much more than any other country has ever made. Your comment is like saying oh you worked more than me and you were more successful than me so you should give me some of your money so it's even. Just shut your foreign mouth.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL, I specifically referred to GSP per capita, not GDP - ie, the amount of money PER ERSON, after a nation's wealth has been imagined as equally divided by every citezen, (and adjusted for differwent costs of living between countries, PPP) is nearly 10x higher in the US than India. But note, since you're keen to boast about the size of your population, that India's is 3x greater.</span></span><br />
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I am NOT trying to dismiss the severity of hate crime - but numbers have gone up mainly because of policies to record more, via campaigns encouraging more people to report and to expand the definition of hate crime. I'm really, really not suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned about this issue, but it's important to analyse it properly.<br />
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Jesus told us that the most important command after loving God is to love others; that if someone hits us on the cheek, we should let them hit the other cheek; and that "those who live by the sword will die by the sword".</div>
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<span class="fwb">Obviously, student debt is unfair - but shouldn't the aim be to make it possible to enter a decent job without spending years learning things that you don't use?<br />Of course, some of what's learned at university is vital - but a substantial amount is information that's not made use of in one's career - and a person shouldn't need to have a university degree to get onto a rewarding career path.<br />It should be easier for people to learn whilst working so that people can support themselves and their families whilst progressing up the career ladder.<br />Otherwise, huge amounts of public money that could be spent on healthcare etc simply feeds the coffers of university bosses.(NB, I certainly don't mean by that last statement that there should be no government funding for people to attend university at all - just that Bernie's strategy might not give the best net outcome for addressing inequality)</span></div>
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<i>why is student debt unfair? Who told you the world owes you? </i></div>
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The world owes me nothing, This isn't about me, I'm in the UK, but I'm concerned for people in the US who have to spend insane amounts on university because it's otherwise impossible to get a sustaining job.</div>
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As others have said - this is grossly hypocritical. My hugest sympathies for her miscarriages, truly - but it's vile to acknowledge that the unborn as a baby then campaign passionately in support of abortion as she's done. The word baby seems ill-defined, but biologically, the unborn is a living human, thus I'm horrified by the vigour with which Creasy and others have supported enabling the killing of those tiny humans. If she thinks of her own unborn as a baby, why does she fight to make it possible for others to be chopped up?</div>
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This is the thing - boys and girls don't have to adhere to stereotypes, that doesn't mean that they aren't boys if they're XY and girls if they're XX. XY is what boy means, XX is what girl means, and each person is an individual with an endless array of unique traits that makes them pricelessly valuable. We should be supporting kids in being OK with the bodies they're in and then pursuing their individual interests, not endorsing the idea that anyone is "born in the wrong body".<br />
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Reparations for gay people? That's a gross disrespect to the African Americans who've inherited poverty because of the barbarism enacted against their ancestors. Many white people ultimately inherit wealth that was passed down having been acquired through the labour of slaves, whilst many African Americans are born into relatively impoverished homes without opportunities that others have - THAT is the point of reparations. To equivocate minority sexualities is absurd.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">So...? I hate abortion, I don't hate the people who - wrongly I believe - have had them.<br />Do people think that pro-lifers are desperate for those who've had abortions to feel shame? How would that help anything? We aren't trying to make people feel shame, we want fewer people to choose abortion in future. This play is clearly aiming to make money from joking about the deaths of tiny humans, risking reducing the likelihood that people will take the decision seriously themselves - that's what sucks.</span></span><br />
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<i>It shows a fetus at 16 weeks, even though "90% of all abortions were carried out on women who were under 13 weeks into their pregnancy and 73% of those were under 10 weeks into their pregnancy" so it's a blatant attempt to use misinformation</i></div>
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I<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">t's not an attempt at misinformation, I didn't claim that the majority of abortions happen at 16 weeks. And that far more abortions happen earlier doesn't change the fact that millions of tiny humans at 16 weeks gestation or more have been aborted.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">But you intentionality chose in image of a fetus that is in the upper gestational stage to illustrate your point. Millions of all gestational stages have been aborted, and will continue to be so. We can give women the correct information and health care to ensure that they can make choices about their own health. Or we can use emotive images to try and control them.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">C</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">orrect information? The week no. is on the picture, so if a woman is considering aborting at erlier stage she'll know that this image isn't exactly representative forthe unborn that she's carrying presently, and she can easily find other information. You seem to think that a woman would just be misled, but the gestational stage is clearly labelled and an array of further information is available at her fingertips.<br />Why is it "emotive"? Abortion is allowed up to 24 weeks - and if that's fine, why be emotive about it? Of course, I don't think it's fine, the reason that it's emotive is that abortion destroys a tiny human, but you seem to want that to be made less clear by objecting to a labelled scan image.</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">If you can't see why using an image of a 16 week old fetus would be considered emotive, and calling a fetus a "tiny human" is manipulating the correct information, then I imagine that you are also ignorant of the plethora of misinformation out there. Agencies in America are allowed to lie to pregnant women. Religious factions are constantly trying to control our bodies the world over. If you want to discuss the medical decisions women take about their health without being emotive, then leave the ultrasound imagery out</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">But I can see why it's emotive, that's the point. The reason that emotion is felt us because abortion is a tragedy, and our society should stop whitewashing it. We feel emotive because it's wrong, abortion shouldn't be happening. Hiding images is not an honest way to help women make decisions. <br />I write "tiny human" because a lot of people repeatedly misunderstand "foetus" - it means offspring in Latin, but many people think that it means that the unborn is not alive or not human. A tiny (living) human is what it is, so that's what I write. I wouldn't argue at the embryo stage, but within 2 months there's evidence of touch sensation, and by 12 weeks all organs are in place and the unborn simply needs to grow - as written on the NHS's website.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"Abortion shouldn't be happening" ; you can't apply your choices to everyone else. Abortion can and does happen for a great many very valid reasons. If you take away the ability for that to be decided by the individual and carried out by professionals in a safe environment, you don't stop it happening. It becomes a dangerous backstreet business that kills and mains. Or those who can't access that are forced into harmful situations. <br />Wishing the world works the way you believe is best doesn't make it so. So why use a self confessed emotive picture to influence others? Quite simply because the "pro-life" argument isn't one that can be supported by fact</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i></div>
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Why? Because I try to comment quickly on posts so that my comment isn't too hidden amongst others, and that image was the first in my pictures folder. It's clearly labelled so it's not dishonest, but you're still advocating deception by arguing that images shouldn't be shown.<br />
Not supported by fact? Which facts prove that it's ok to kill an unborn human? Clearly, we aren't going to agree, but the f<span class="text_exposed_show">act is that the unborn is alive and human, and that at 16weeks, it looks as that image shows. A recent study found that at 16weeks, the unborn's facial features respond to music played by the mother's belly. It's also a fact that rape and foetal anomalies (combined) account for just several % of abortions. So there's already the choice not to have sex (which, trust me, is fine - but there are also many NHS provided contraceptives to choose from, as well as the morning after pill) and the choice to offer a newborn to a couple desperate for a new baby. Me commenting doesn't prevent a woman being able to have an abortion, but I don't believe that one person should be able to take away any choice whatsoever from another human, once it has brainwaves, by having it killed in abortion.<br />Nb supposedly safe abortions are not entirely safe. A woman died just 1.5 miles from where I am now from a Marie Stopes abortion - and some studies have found that abortion contributes to depression.</span><br />
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It's not as though this outburst (that led to the police being called) came out of the blue from a typically sensible, controlled individual - his lack of restraint might be amusing, but it's not what we need from a leader.<br />
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ho said that they recorded and waited to call the police? They might have recorded whilst waiting for the police. But given that one wouldn't want to waste police time, but hitting a record button is easy, one could well begin recording whilst unsure whether the situation justified calling he police.<br />That she was angrier and he was calmer doesn't tell us that we shouldn't worry about him, it tells us that he did/said something htat made her furious.<br />But as I wrote, irrespective of this incident, thre are plenty of reasons that BoJo shouldn't be PM.</span></span><br />
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<span class="fwb">The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - that's distinct from simply having gay orientation, and either way, the Bible makes it clear that no one should be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Of course the NT supersedes the OT - but Jesus affirms God's design of one man and one woman, and Paul warns against sexual "immorality" (sex outside of God's plan - I'm not calling gay sex immoral since we use the word differently now) and that gay sex separates people from God.<br />Crucially, sex is not at all necessary to enjoy life (as I'm finding myself, though I'm straight) and I know of gay Christians who are single/celibate and undeniably happy and in love with God - they're also sick of people trying to justify gay sex for Christians, because they've concluded, theologically, that those attempts at justification are mistaken, and they can fund them hurtful.<br />The real issues are people being unkind to gay people - which is unChristian, and our society's obsession with sex. In fact, friendships, family and a relationship with God can more than satisfy.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Actually it says "men should lay with young boys"...nothing about gay sex.</span></span> </i></div>
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It's called a vasectomy. Also, you can actually just not have sex, it's in fact not necessary for enjoying life.</div>
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<a href="https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/a-history-of-the-bible-a-belter-of-a-book-1.3924537?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fculture%2Fbooks%2Fa-history-of-the-bible-a-belter-of-a-book-1.3924537%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2hB5elhm8MDEfXwzFb25vRtui4sd42tR4sOX83SzSRYD_GlDLBw9kHpVs">A History of the Bible: A belter of a book</a><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I endlessly see people presume that it's pure fiction without finding out about it, entirely on the basis of naturalism and wishful thinking. It's full of symbolism and contextually complex accounts, but it's simply not the mythology that so many people want to assume that it is. And views amongst scholars vary hugely - so this^ book about the Bible, and others, each need to be read with consideration of the potential for bias and weighing up of differing perspectives.<br />Most importantly, the Gospel events are in fact more historically accredited than other history by several measures - as absurd as it might seem that Jesus rose, it deserves exploration given the potential significance. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bible.ca%2Fef%2Ftopical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Zkh-uBPmHyFVJ_ZTySl3Dm63DMmTALuJSttpOD_hDy5J2vLYv9wHx_oI&h=AT3DTZ-pUboYyOjgFveZhsU_cs1AHLjxTgrYWuShHIY294h8U-5dW9AHpyLslDsTybugzjBX8ZKC2NbAHYuvKk_CY0wqlZJt95bTl11SFeZ99ui3JaGxPif0GRCuU05F4Wax" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The classic God of the Bible is a genocidal maniac.Discuss.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Discuss? It's a huge topic. There are plenty of articles easily accessible that explain the issue, have you tried them?<br />Briefly - some passages in the Old Testament reflect the writers, men of an entirely different culture to ours (our culture in fact being shaped by Jesus' teachings, though we forget it often) who keenly boasted of success in battle, at a time when barbarism was the norm. <br />Many people of pagan tribes were so violent that they keenly sacrificed their children to their gods. Ultimately, God, at times, may have endorsed war against these tribes because, ultimately, He wanted to bring an end to that evil. And consider - He is just, and able to bring the innocents caught up in the battles to heaven if that was right, and their suffering living in the discomfort of BC desert amongst child killers would be over. <br />The events of the Old Testament were a lead up to Jesus coming - and it's Jesus who actually demonstrates clearly who God is.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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"He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" Micah 6:8<br />
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He's the London mayor, and he has no control over this issue, the fault is with the Home office. What, exactly, do you think he's done writing?<br />
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Indeed abuse of trans people MUST be stopped - but to suggest that the debate about trans athletes could be "perfectly shut down" is ignorance of biology and entirely disrespectful of athletes. You're supposed to be informing us, <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=13312631635&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBIYK1a4OK1OwpPXlHKxV_YZQpoOoRxGLBfKEaLRn6tjIYRD3KPj0hard1wyqbkXKlemK0jpWAheGGm%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/?eid=ARBIYK1a4OK1OwpPXlHKxV_YZQpoOoRxGLBfKEaLRn6tjIYRD3KPj0hard1wyqbkXKlemK0jpWAheGGm&fref=tag">The Independent</a>, not behaving like a child in an argument.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/2099027307066497/"><span class="fwb">These Billionaires Are Surprisingly Frugal</span></a></div>
It's far more exciting to spend money, however much one has, on helping the world's poorest people than on buying things for oneself that aren't needed.<br />
We can all too easily forget, when we pay attention to celebrities, that we ourselves are in fact wealthy compared to much of humanity. If we contemplate everyday privileges that some others lack, such as clean water on tap; an endless selection <span class="text_exposed_show">of food; secure, snug homes; endless entertainment via TV and the internet; education and opportunities, etc, we can find huge joy in them. We can then use money that we might spend on non-necessities - such as pampering, holidays, Starbucks, cinema tickets etc to pay for far more exciting things - for example, child sponsorship, transforming a life for $38/month.</span><br />
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It baffles me that this bothers anyone. No one is forcing you to do anything.<br />
Crucially(literally, the word comes from crucifixion) Jesus died for anyone willing to truly accept Him into their hearts. Everyone gets to make their own choice about that. If you reject Him, THIS^ is just a big piece of stone to you, so why get flustered?<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">as long as they allow Baphomet, or a giant Islamic Crescent, or other religious icons, we're all good.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I wouldn't be offended by another faith's statue, though I'd feel sad that there was such fervour in rejecting Jesus has increased so much that a statue as such would be put up. To atheists wanting this cross removed, it represents nothing, so putting up something else isn't equivocal. Further, the US has a Christian heritage (and, when people have GENUINELY been following Christ - as opposed to just calling themselves Christian whilst enacting human selfishness, that has done tremendous good for society), which is how this cross ended up there, so a statue to another faith wouldn't be comparable.<br />But I can't stress enough, it's people rejecting Jesus that makes me sad - this statue in itself is unimportant. I'm well aware of the fact that very few people now follow Him, and whether those rejecting Him are Muslim, Atheist or something else, it breaks my heart. That's because the study I've done has led me to conclude that Jesus did in fact rise from death thus demonstrating that He could be trusted in offering eternal life - and my experience, and that of countless others, is that genuinely accepting Jesus brings more joy and fulfillment than anything else. So I by no means believe that I, or Christians in general, are superior; nor can Christianity be forced on anyone. I'm just sad about what the desire to take this cross down demonstrates.</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I see the tax issue - and would make it the responsibility of its supporters to "maintain" it. But can anyone actually find data on what's being spent on its maintenance? What's being done to it that taxes are being spent on? And how would that figure sit as a proportion of tax expenditure?<br />Land being public property doesn't mean that everyone is going to like everything on it. The question is how is it doing you any harm?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">show me where he died n buried.. If u cant no stupid jesus existed.. Other then for people to use the ideology to rape kids.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Jesus taught us to treat others as we want to be treated, and that hurting children is the worst thing people can do. That child abuse happens is a disgusting reflection of human evil, and hapens in all sectors - people calling themselves Christians when they aren't actually following Christ doesn't determine what Jesus is like. W</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hy do you think that Jesus didn't exist? Have you tried reading/listening to the scholars who've concluded that Jesus died and rose to weigh up the matter for yourself?<br /><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0c-Jyw4yOY4HJ2DhYClZtcbNTzfRjcjJXG5M54jgydjHWW8QXJzKhF4Fk&h=AT3Udt9SLCmZlR7QhKsAgeQvySqRD88aabv03D2dLBIyv4zcVNtZK1MANsojtoX4LV7ExXI5jPURAALIND0T7NDrDL74Pp77bQTKRuuk7uA4KfmAAnIrdr5XUx7zxT5sHQXf" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection</a></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">its maintained by american tax dollars. Thats legit all that needs to be said. I dont want my tax dollars going towards anything religious and a cross is in fact religious.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How do you define "religious"/"religion" ? Seriously, many pastors draw a distinction between religion and the Gospel, criticising the former. Either way, it's a non-sequitter. The dogma of separation of Church and State that is so religiously held to doesn't answer my question - why does a piece of stone bother you so much? What impact does it have on you? It's not causing pain or trauma, it's not releasing noise or a smell. As I've said, it's maintenance should be funded by donations rather than tax - but the amount is negligible, and ultimately that money simply ends up paying workers.<br />The cross is where Jesus died for EVERYONE - it's not a symbol of superiority or exclusion.<br /><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1IAhDGYlpqY%26fbclid%3DIwAR0-XBTXcsK9D6uKexQ3Yx5s5sh8AsfYKA7w-dcbWK24FCCP1fpTl65W2mE&h=AT1D0-WWd5w4lJ7yf4NHeeu6bnKWdstQ-p3kxx55mBHvWaUyKzWYwKz2Jlemq6LuhANzYuQm6opM-1p-yyMUSIA9VfQzTz9zyEaG8W-jB06v-rzKuWktsvbIlGaeO_DE_0jr" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&fbclid=IwAR0-XBTXcsK9D6uKexQ3Yx5s5sh8AsfYKA7w-dcbWK24FCCP1fpTl65W2mE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XtQD0O7x1Pk/XTkahkH6ZgI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/xNlFqirvwkwA4Xw_EiNhl77Aihz282xkACLcBGAs/s1600/a-smiling-black-and-tan-dog-with-floral-necktie.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1143" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XtQD0O7x1Pk/XTkahkH6ZgI/AAAAAAAAA1Q/xNlFqirvwkwA4Xw_EiNhl77Aihz282xkACLcBGAs/s320/a-smiling-black-and-tan-dog-with-floral-necktie.jpg" width="228" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Your last sentence is the problem. Replace it with “Allah and his messenger Mohammed (PBUH) are here for everyone.” And also replace the cross with a crescent and star of Islam. Now how do you feel?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">That's not what Islam teaches.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span> <br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> <i>Irrelevant. I could say the same for the comment on Christianity. The question remains.</i></span></span><i> </i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">But you'd be wrong (to say the same of Christianity) - Islam and Christianity are not simply things that we can each have our own opinions on, they are distinct sets of very different texts and teachings.</span></span><i> </i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Sir, Germany was considered, in 1939 as the most churched country in Europe. Most low level Nazis were Christian.</span></span></i> <br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">No, Nazis were not Christian, because Christian means to love Jesus and thus desire to emulate Him - and His actions and teachings were entirely contrary to Nazism. Plenty of people throughout the centuries have called themselves Christians because they like the label, but calling oneself something doesn't mean that one is, and people calling themselves Christians whilst acting in an unChristlike way certainly don't define who Jesus was.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The Nazis were overwhelmingly Christian. Lutherans and Catholics mostly. Their belt buckles said“God is with us” Hitler claimed to be a Catholic himself and referred to god in both his book and speeches. Hitler belongs to Christians.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">no, people calling themselves something doesn't mean that they are, nor define that thing. I could call myself a football fan, but given that I don't actually follow football at all, I'd be wrong, and I certainly wouldn't define what football is. Nazis calling themselves Christians doesn't mean that they actually were, and it makes no sense for you to judge Christ by their actions, specifically because they were doing the opposite of what Jesus taught.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You are a pathetic self righteous imbecile.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i> <br />
What exactly - which phrases - suggests that I'm self righteous?<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Says who? Can You tell me who wrote the Bible? And where they got their facts from? PROOF! I NEED ACTUAL FACTS PLS! I'll wait! LMAO</span></span></i> <br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The Bible is a compilation of texts written by a number of different people - and different texts within it corroborate each other, with further corroboration from other texts from the Church Fathers and texts from other historical writers at the time. I personally became convinced of the resurrection after reading Who Moved The Stone, which helps one to see why the Gospel accounts can be trusted.</span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">And you stating the obvious doesn't explain ANYTHING GraceDalton....but nice try</span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Have you tried reading/listening to the scholars who've concluded that Jesus died and rose to weigh up the matter for yourself? <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2ODj7sCT7F6z7SkwU6lYgA-HtC2ypJdBVDIaXeWIP_ZEc1iamHz9A2Df0&h=AT3K6xzbPRBJ3VOg5Ax9KyMzknlHZkdWTJFBH6hcE0G4bTLYzeZxCnFftg1CFQ28R4TkoskTVDGj4sWnFzgUanxeK6AtpA54WGAyPQ0r4cArHTerAPr4WIVt59rQCYmxnadf" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection</a></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Learn biology. It’s a collection of cells that early on not a baby.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Learn biology? I've been studying biomedical sciences at university. I didn't say that it's a baby, but at 4 weeks, it's an embryo with primordial organ structures, not only a collection of cells (technically, we're all collections of cells). Personally, I'm concerned about the millions of abortions that happpen far later than 4 weeks, at stages where the unborn has brain functionality.</span></span></div>
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God hates a lot of Trump's attitudes and actions. Jesus' teachings make that clear, but also, for example,<br />
Proverbs 6:16-19 "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers."</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">the wise thing to do is to support those who are sympathetic to a just cause. Trump cares a lot more about his country and people than what we see in many other parties. All of those vices in that Proverbs scripture are easily found in the without boundaries, sex all over the place, abort when you want, climate fanatics in the democrat party.</span></span></i><br />
"America First" is not a just cause. It is seeking to perpetuate the inJUSTice of America being far wealthier than most of humanity, and all of humanity is in fact equal before God. God repeatedly tells us to be generous, compassionate and selfless. Trump is not.<br />
I am furious about the Dems' support for abortion, so couldn't vote for them.<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">So, you preferred a president who was Muslim through and through??? You must be doing well in a Christian country that gave you everything.......ditch Trump and you will soon be living in a hell of your own making.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL, I'm in the UK. How was Obama "Muslim"?</span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">His mother was, and he is[Christian]. Presbyterian actually. I'm from Britain and I know that.....do you know your own president? I think not.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How, exactly, do you know that Trump is a Christian? Countless people call themselves Christians because they like the label, but in fact it means, by definition, to genuinely love Christ so much that you truly desire to follow Him. I'm not saying that Trump isn't a Christian, I can't know, but Jesus said that His followers would be clear from their actions, and some of Trump's actions strongly suggest that he isn't trying to emulate Jesus.<br />Why are you certain that without Trump, Islam will take over?</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If you go back to [Obama's] administration while he was president. He NEVER mentioned Christians, he backed Muslim integration, and now, five times a day in New York the wailing call to prayer is heard. Obama was all the way LEFT which loves globalism, Islam and no borders anywhere. The left are responsible for the catastrophic state of both our countries today........totally supported by Obama.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How exactly did Obama back integration in such a way as to show that he was "Muslim through and through"? That there are now calls to prayer (where did you get that information?) would only suggest a greater number of Muslims, largely because they have a higher birthrate.<br />Whilst aspects of Islam are indeed deeply concerning, most Muslims are sfe or even make a positive contribution to society. Our priority, far beyond anything else, must be to serve God by sharing the Gospel with those around us - Muslim or otherwise, and by helping those in need IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THEY SHARE OUR NATIONALITY as God repeatedly commands.</span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">12 weeks. Incompatible with life outside of the womb.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Defined how? They ARE alive. Unless the natural process by which we're all here is interrupted, they will grow to be the same size that we are. Right now, they're just months further back in their lifespan than a baby. They're nevertheless human. I wouldn't argue about embryos - but by this^ stage they already have some brain function. Note that in 99% of cases, they are in the womb because of the woman's choice (only 1% of abortions are due to rape).</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">where are your pictures of unwanted babies that were beaten to death?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Explain? Seriously, how many babies born to women who'd wanted and not been able to abort them end up beaten to death? Babies being beaten at all, let alone to death is abhorrent beyond words, but that doesn't justify abortion.<br />Does it honestly not concern you that tiny humans just a few months younger than babies can be vacuumed to death or chopped up?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">when people twist scientific facts, that is abhorrent. When people try to force their religious views on others, that is the most abhorrent.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
H<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">ow am I "forcing" views on others? I'm only commenting, which we all do here. When an abortion happens, one person's view is genuinely being forced on another - one human is killed because of another's "view". I'm not forcing anyone to do or not do anything, I'm just typing.<br />When did I mention religion?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<i>Week8, <span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Size of a raspberry </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">hy does that give someone else - who's already made a choice (unless raped, but again, that's only the case in 1% of abortions) - the right to destroy that tiny human? A newborn couldn't survive on their own. All of us rely on others to survive - those who provide our water and food. Relying on others doesn't mean that a person can be killed - especially when the person on whom they rely is the person who put them in htat position of reliance.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Have you considered that not all abortions happen because the fetus is healthy?</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm well aware of the tragedy of severe deformitiy - however it's by no means accurately diagnosed in utero, ie. there are plenty of unborn diagnosed with severe deformities who are born healthy. If, tragically, they do pass away hours after birth, they could save the lives of other babies in need of organ transplants. <br />It can well be more comforting for a parent who knows that their baby will live for only hours to have an hold them for that time than to have the ache of aborting them.<br />Crucially, only a tiny, tiny minority of abortions happen because of deformities anyway. I wouldn't argue about these cases anyway, I'm debating abortion because of the huge majority - likely over 98% (see statistics and analysis here - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.johnstonsarchive.net%2Fpolicy%2Fabortion%2Fabreasons.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2hx6Rh1B-p-eDEwTt44umMydzccT2Kg3BlYxNebTS5P8mGJLWwvUjTagA&h=AT2lh0GKKmh4CH7cC4hbUIVriX0D32F2kN_vmj-sqdtuQqAQVI5z9TuGcmX3ezyp5mLiTLivd6ppWVZlInPasnbOTOn1myL2uBg_JFJCZGJyEZy8Ngw037oL21JzK3HzGu5q" href="http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html?fbclid=IwAR2hx6Rh1B-p-eDEwTt44umMydzccT2Kg3BlYxNebTS5P8mGJLWwvUjTagA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/.../abortion/abreasons.html</a> ) who are aborted without any deformity or health issue, nor because of rape or threat to the mother.<br />NB, abortion is also dangerous, for example, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flifecharity.org.uk%2Fnews-and-views%2Fambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3UK7uWeDmcS_YDTv8stcdeeTsazEZzY96iFwifOXgOgcRLIfu5bRH8bGs&h=AT0toGLyLQ_pLnv9e3u07g_B7aLZUM4xD4azbJDONKEc6J_tzfHPf7C5xma5SPCkmB3XyD3s8XNmwPdim1s9-ik0yRYnczzlOuEdEPeiFnjkDJRxon6mqE2zJucxb2wQLPlD" href="https://lifecharity.org.uk/news-and-views/ambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics/?fbclid=IwAR3UK7uWeDmcS_YDTv8stcdeeTsazEZzY96iFwifOXgOgcRLIfu5bRH8bGs" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://lifecharity.org.uk/.../ambulances-called-778.../</a><br />and harmful to mental health - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambridge.org%2Fcore%2Fjournals%2Fthe-british-journal-of-psychiatry%2Farticle%2Fabortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009%2FE8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Q0rj0QobtrcErfqf51ShGxMlflLyCqKz1dCIU4hqI-RSsOVXsvBjNOTI&h=AT10F_1t2R4zx3p7H9SRySDXpg8I7U2UKiz1W5kSyVxCcXQjzvexJcdwpiIwDhDJdXfSS2naJl9IeQQcLeo-yOAa7knpTb9up3M8tJJpBwRCVPucLFtcvH1A5FeJgAMlPfzA" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/abortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009/E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D?fbclid=IwAR1Q0rj0QobtrcErfqf51ShGxMlflLyCqKz1dCIU4hqI-RSsOVXsvBjNOTI" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.cambridge.org/.../E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BE...</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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There are plenty of adverts that mislead people into thinking that they need to buy certain things to enjoy life, and make them forget to enjoy what they have. There are adverts that encourage us to<br />
replace items with newer versions far sooner than we need to, contributing to the depletion of natural resources and to pollution. There are adverts that con desperate people into wasting the little money they have on gambling and lottery tickets. There are adverts that force people to hate their bodies and feel unavoidably anxious.<br />
Those adverts are harmful, I don't think that stereotypes are harming us anymore.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Advertising doesn't force you to do anything. Grow a spine, and take responsibility for your own actions.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"take responsiblity for my own actions"? I don't buy any of the things I see advertised. But some evidently can't - some of them on account of disadvantage leading to desperation (such that they can be lured into bingo and gambling). And the fact that I can avoid buying fast fashion, holidays via aeroplanes etc, doesn't mean that I can't be frustrated about the impact those businesses have on our planet (and, more importantly, its poorest people).</span></span><br />
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Trump regularly references God, but the Bible makes it clear that God wants us to help refugees....<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Jesus also said follow the law of the land. They are not refugees. They have crossed the border illegally, they are therefor illegal aliens.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Where exactly did Jesus say that? Can you give a reference? Either way, it doesn't change the fact that those who show no compassion to migrants are breaking what Jesus said was most important after loving God. </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Love how Lefties use the Bible to justify things that they are for, but deny what the Bible says about things they disagree with. Shameful</span></span></i><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zYozZSaoul0/XTkbsFUq-oI/AAAAAAAAA1s/8n-4f9sXELYJi-CQhJeoHoIQrDFhG1tZgCLcBGAs/s1600/cat-kitten-rozkosne-little.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="627" data-original-width="940" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zYozZSaoul0/XTkbsFUq-oI/AAAAAAAAA1s/8n-4f9sXELYJi-CQhJeoHoIQrDFhG1tZgCLcBGAs/s320/cat-kitten-rozkosne-little.jpg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How are you defining "lefties"? Which of my views denies the Bible and is shameful?<br />I suspect that you're simply making resumptions and putting me in a box. But that's a logical fallacy (ie, illogical) and I don't fit in a box.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">God has killed more people than any being in the history of the world. I don't think he's the one to make a comparison with.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How do you define "God killing"? God creates life, and eventually, life on Earth ends and He gives the option, through Jesus, of life in His presence, without the frustrations of life on Earth. Which deaths are you blaming God for when you compare them to killings for "other beings"? Why do you think that you know better than God about how long lives should last?</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">This is the land of laws and rules. How’s it working out for you in London?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Oh dear, have you been conned by your right wing press into thinking that London is a war zone? Are you aware that the murder rate here in London (murders per 100,000 people) is less than a third that of the US?<br />The violence that exists in certain areas is due to gang/drug wars, not immigrants</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">but we are to take care of our own people first! Do you have a well balanced financial plan by which we can house. Feed, cloth, educate and meet the many medical needs of the 100's thousands of illegals who have entered and are still entering our borders???</span></span></span></span></i></div>
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Linda Hooks Hutto those of "our own people" who are in need are in need because wealth is grossly unfairly distributed - multimillionaires haven't worked proportionately hundreds of times harder than people with hundreds of times less wealth than them, they have huge wealth primarily because they've been lucky. The very richest people should be taxed more to help the poorest - and everyone here has the privilege of living in a nation made rich through grossly unfair exploitation of other countries, so we have no right to disregard those born into the impoverished countries left poor because of that exploitation.<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Darwin believed that we inherit a mixture of our parents' traits because their body fluids mix during sex. He had no clue about how DNA works, and, crucially, how interdependent it is. His theory was cemented using hoax fossils, and wishful thinking by anti-theists.<br />The microevolution of variation within species is obvious - but the neo-Darwinian dogma that all life evolved from nothing by natural selection alone is more debated amongst the scientific community than the public is led to believe.<br />For example, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC3187878%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2voyLjHeeLLHfaAHWcjCEHcuN_MuWI3nialURdyaOAfCTO25p2MYEkE6A&h=AT2blN0AJ4ZzWLTIomvLPw6PEuixELW9LC8VzAsVPOkTQs_3zxV29ZZmxGKWzH4V-Ep329Mw8k8VvE2Ql-5nlq-YxESRxE34F9vMELxr1H0sGIgIKXwwbQK179653549rx5k" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3187878/?fbclid=IwAR2voyLjHeeLLHfaAHWcjCEHcuN_MuWI3nialURdyaOAfCTO25p2MYEkE6A" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3187878/</a><br /><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasons.org%2Farticles%2Fnobel-winning-dna-research-challenges-evolutionary-theory%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2OtIPEddLZMwMZMMAQ13CFZKnbQsb82AnU8YzFoHeF4szdmUObLAGCmJQ&h=AT2Hjk5NYCFfH6jAcSkAQ4oFsXFAzeqX0NtKE512lqsKg13s0V-FdJgcnYIuD-Fh1jUXQHXBW0fNxX4z59x12K_x-h5TZbiWdHtgexe84Bcnti0NQsrllpNtf8vhgJzsINRQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">://www.reasons.org/.../nobel-winning-dna-research...</a></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>evolution is a proven FACT, its the 21st century and we still have to explain this!! but you just stick to Noah and his magical zoo boat that re-populated the entire earths animal and plant life in under 6,000 yrs, yes ignorance is clearly bliss. <span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4f/1/16/1f601.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">😁</span></span></i><br />Religion = state sanctioned, controlling superstitious nonsense for the gullible.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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Steven Isherwood how are you defining the evolution that you claim is a "fact"?<br />
What did you think of the hyperlinked articles?<br />
How far (GCSE? Alevel? Uni?) have you studied biology?<br />
When did I mention Noah's ark?<br />
What is it that you think I believe?<br />
How are you defining "religion"?</div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I myself began to suspect that God exists whilst studying biology. Further study has convinced me further of His existence. Belief in Jesus is a separate topic, and interpretation of Genesis is another matter again, one that's unimportant by comparison. "Religion" is a word used differently by different people - to use it as a catch all term for anything relating to any belief in any gods is ignorant of the immense variation of beliefs and practices (not that I'm calling you ignorant personally). Are you aware, for example, that numerous pastors regularly criticise "religion", differentiating it from Christianity? Have you seen the spoken word piece that went viral several years ago, "Why I hate Religion but love Jesus"? "Religion" might be used to control people, but genuine Christianity (there's been plenty that's been falsely labelled as Christianity, not actually fitting its definition at all) is fundamentally different.</span></span> <br />
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Prioritising serving the desires of those who'll vote Democrat, whatever happens, is not going to win the election. 48% of the public believe that abortion is morally wrong - thus, Hilary lost. I'd love to see what the Dems could achieve for social justice if they'd stop this obsession with abortion - given that they don't, do they genuinely want to advance fairer wealth distribution?<br />
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"...our light and temporary affliction* is producing for us an eternal glory that far outweighs our troubles. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.…" (2 Corinthians 4:17-18)<br />
*[Paul, who wrote this, was referring to the imprisonment and torture he experienced - he was eventually executed]<br />
I'm NOT trying to minimise the evil of slavery - but I know that God hates injustice and offers eternal bliss that will make that suffering seem brief by comparison.<br />
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It's almost funny. He has no say in who our mayor is, so I'm more worried about his lack of compassion for the underprivileged, and lack of concern about the environment.<br />
I can't get my head around why anyone thinks that it's within the London mayor's power to end gang wars. Meanwhile, scores of people have died in the US due to guns, which Trump has lobbied for.<br />
The murder rate in London is around 1.5 per 100,000 - higher than the UK average, but a fraction of the rate for Trump's nation, with a murder rate of 5 per 100,000<br />
Check this out - <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3A2010_homicide_rates_-_gun_versus_non-gun_-_high-income_countries.png%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0jhx2HU2GwbFWlFuRbTik4KEB7rv7L_msNSJWHiKv6no0avd5jsEXOlx4&h=AT39mPMbRaW91As14B8kQvxzPRTKhPvt9fegcexM2CoPK50gZso8FvCLVDL9NSdb9TC_2rLZEvpQ7C7SEAishhGn9J_WO9IMOlHAlKAxJ3zAuWP_3J9NDrvf550px_-PAif4O1kH" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>File:2010_homicide_rates_-_gun_versus_non<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>-gun_-_high-income_countries.png</a><br />
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It's nothing like The Handmaid's Tale - in the Handmaid's Tale, women are raped; forced to give up children; and kept in servitude. IRL, women can use contraception, tubal ligation and PlanB - and, importantly, sex isn't necessary to enjoy life in the first place (*I'm not debating the 1% of cases of abortion that follow rape).<br />
I'd love to see what the Dems could achieve for social justice if they'd dro this issue and consequently take back power.<br />
Why do people (who criticise prolifers) seem to think it's wrong to want to stop the tearing up of tiny humans?<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Absolutely - I'm just struggling to believe that you really care about poverty given that you've bought yourself a third home.</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">You guys are missing my point. I'm not saying that he's equivocal to billionaires, nor negating that he's doing some good work - and I'm not saying that rich people are a different speceis as some of you imply, nor ignoring the fact that mist politicians have a lot of money. I'm saying that it's hard to believe that someone genuinely desperate to help the poor would want to spend so much on property. Would it not give him more joy to use that money to build small, secure homes for hundreds of those living in slums in the developing world? (Money spent there can buy many times more what it can here - the cost of one property here could genuinely transform scores of lives). It makes me wonder to what extent his heart's greatest longing is to see the poor helped - or whether his primary concern is his political career.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I understand that you’re trying to make a point but it is so fucking stupid I can’t quite connect to dots. According to you or someone who has a little bit of money is not or can’t care about those who don’t? Are you human?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i> </div>
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It's not "having a little bit of money" that I'm debating, it's choosing to spend on buying yourself a third home.<br />
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What matters is people suffering because of poverty, violence and exploitation, whether it's because of their gender or not. Why is so much of the time and energy of do called progressives, such as Trudeau, focussed on us females having exactly equal representation whilst there are still people in this world without clean water? And I'm aware that space science provides some useful information here on Earth - but why is so, so, so much spent on pride projects, like putting someone on Mars, when those $amounts could end the agony of scores of people suffering from injustice and natural disasters we've caused?</div>
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I'm not happy that centuries of global corruption, greed and injustice has culminated in some people having "luxury lounges", whilst equally precious human beings live in slums or sleep on the streets in countries where they have no access to a welfare state nor opportunities, and would be ecstatic just to have a secure single-roomed home with a sofa.</div>
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There are plenty of adverts that mislead people into thinking that they need to buy certain things to enjoy life, and make them forget to enjoy what they have. There are adverts that encourage us to replace items with newer versions far sooner than we need to, contributing to the depletion of natural resources and to pollution. There are adverts that con desperate people into wasting the little money they have on gambling and lottery tickets. There are adverts that force people to hate their bodies and feel unavoidably anxious.<br />
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Yuh, but those African countries that aren't peaceful are conflicted primarily because of the gross colonisation that the West inflicted, which multinational corporations continue to perpetuate.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2312432805490638&id=135775283156412">Maajid Nawaz hits out at the "rank hypocrisy" in the fallout following Jo Brand's battery acid joke, calling out the tribalistic politics behind calls for her to be sacked.</a></div>
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I find it interesting to compare what the NHS website says about a pregnancy that's wanted and one that isn't. If you read their advice page on abortion, they describe it as pregnancy tissue, whilst on their pages about pregnancy, aimed at people who want theirs, describes the same foetus (rightly) as a baby.<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">There's a distinction to be made between actual homophobic abuse of people themselves, which must, obviously, be eliminated; and simply not endorsing sex that God has prohibited, which is a stance motivated by trusting that God knows what's best for humanity, rather than by hatred. <br />But how do you define "religious"? Plenty of people call themselves religious/Christian, but to genuinely be committed to God and following Christ means disregarding nationist pride. <br />"Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." James 1:27</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">first. Nobody endorses it. We are asking for understanding and acceptance. And to not be punished for whom we are emotionally and physically intimate with. <br />Second, in Loving v. Virginia 1967, SCOTUS ruled that marriage cannot be infringed by the state. In Oberfell v. Hodges 2015, the same agreement was reached in regards to same sex marriage. It's taken so much blood, tears, and sweat to get this far. <br />And it's not right for other countries to criminalize something that cannot be changed because it's an intrinsic part of who someone is.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">W</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hen did I say that "punishing" you is ok? Jesus compels us to be compassionate to everyone, even if not celebrating their actions. Even though He's forbidden certain sexual behaviours, you are nevertheless immeasurably valuable to God, and we as Christians should keep that in mind always.</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">which god prohibited sex? If you're Christian, where does Jesus say anything about homosexuality? And since homosexuality shows up in multiple species, it's obviously natural and therefore must be part of the plan. So how can it be prohibited?</span></span></i></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EomJtUAfA4g/XTpVWu1G8DI/AAAAAAAAA14/FaBJ_Pou_K4Kf1lXaHwCU62-yhDj8EJXgCLcBGAs/s1600/dog-2246528_960_720.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="960" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EomJtUAfA4g/XTpVWu1G8DI/AAAAAAAAA14/FaBJ_Pou_K4Kf1lXaHwCU62-yhDj8EJXgCLcBGAs/s320/dog-2246528_960_720.jpg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">It's a complex topic - and it's truly unimportant by comparison to the Gospel. Christianity is almost only discussed in wider society when the issue is homosexuality, but EVERYONE, no less us Christians, needs Jesus - we've ALL done wrong, separating ourselves from God, and through Christ's sacrifice, any of us can be reunited with God if we genuinely choose to accept Jesus. <br />Only a tiny minority of the things that Jesus said in His years of preaching are written down, so, contrary to the oft repeated claim that we should presume Jesus endorsed homosexual sex because the New Testament doesn't mention Him forbidding it, we can only conclude that it wasn't deemed important enough for the Gospel writers to include in their concise accounts. At the time, the Jewish audience wouldn't have been considering that homosexuality might be Ok.<br />Jesus affirmed Yahweh, and God's design of one man and one woman. Paul, following Jesus's direction, wrote that homosexual sex stands in the way between people and God.<br />Crucially, when religious leaders brought Jesus a woman caught having sex that God's old Testament law had forbidden, Jesus saved her from being punished, and told her to go and sin no more. He didn't endorse the sex, He told her to stop it, but He also showed her compassion rather than allowing her to be hurt.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">in other words, you can't answer my questions. You're assuming Jesus condemned homosexuality because he told a woman to stop having sex outside of marriage? If he talked about it, but the gospel writers didn't consider it important, why do you? By the way, we didn't say he endorsed homosexuality only pointed out that he didn't condemn it. You are pushing your own prejudices into the words you read. Now that's going to get between you and your god.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i> </div>
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I did answer your question. And as I said, Jesus's endorsement of Yaweh's design, as well as his message through Paul, can't be overlooked. This is one better explanation - https://www.tvcresources.net/resource-library/articles/jesus-and-homosexuality<br />
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Importantly, there are gay Christians such as those at Living Out who've attained plenty of qualifications in theology and concluded that God wants them to remain celibate, but are enjoying life because friendships and a relationship with God are more important than sex. I'm straight, but also celibate, andfeel frustrated that our society perpetuates the lie that sex is necessary to enjoy life.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>No, you ignored the part about it being natural. And here's an interesting article that showed up on my feed today. Homosexuality was not in the bible until 1946.</i> </span></span></div>
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That the term homosexual is relatively new isn't the point - the Bible refers to sex between people of the same gender. I never said that the orientation is to be debated.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RTUKnews/posts/2212980195658518?comment_id=2212999692323235">Why are there still so many unanswered questions? </a><a class="_58cn" data-ft="{"type":104,"tn":"*N"}" href="https://www.blogger.com/null"><span class="_5afx"><span aria-label="hashtag" class="_58cl _5afz">#</span><span class="_58cm">Grenfell</span></span></a> <span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why the frack is there a laughter reaction to this?</span></span> <i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Because sometimes accidents happen. It's impossible to foresee all eventualities. Almost 95% of the residents paid no rent at all and were totally supported by the taxpayer so were you expecting every flat to have it's own fire warden ?</span></span> </i> <span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How do you know that "Almost 95% of the residents paid no rent"? And do you know how difficult it is to get work here in London ATM? Note also that many were elderly or disabled. Regardless, to laugh about them being burned to death is evil.</span></span> <br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">imagine for a moment that I need a kidney transplant. It happens that your kidney is a perfect match. I ask you to donate it to me. You say no. I tell you I will die without it. You still say no. I die. Did you kill me?</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Your need for a kidney wouldn't be the result of me choosing to have sex. And preganancy lasts 9 months, giving up a kidney means that it's permanently gone. But I wouldn't say no - I tried to offer my kidney, for anyone who might need it, several years ago, but was told at the time that I wasn't healthy enough.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">All people have Body Autonomy. It is a basic human right. It means that No One can use another's body without that person's consent, even if saying, no means that person dies. Body Autonomy is why rape and slavery are illegal! So a fetus is not entitled to use a woman's body, and that woman can have that fetus removed, if she does not consent. Oh, and Body autonomy extends into death, which is why you can't take organs from dead people unless they consented when they were alive. So by denying a woman abortion, you are in fact stating that she is a) Not human and therefore does not have human rights and b) that corpses have more rights and respect than a living woman</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Bodily autonomy? The human in the womb's bodily autonomy means that no one else had the right to tear it up. Unless the pregnancy is the result if rape, which is the case in only1% of abortions and I won't argue about those, there's already been bodily autonomy to not have sex (and to have tubes tied, use contraception and PlanB).</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">it literally says in the bible a baby isn’t a baby until it’s first breath. it’s not murder, it’s freedom of your own body.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I never mentioned the Bible, but no, it doesn't say that. Care to share what verse you're referring to?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I see you’re religious. Well, god says life begins at first breath (Gen 2:7), so either you’re wrong or your lord is, and we know what he does to people who defy him!</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Genesis 2:7 is an allegorical description of initial creation, by no means doesn't it say that a feotus isn't alive until it's born - and it's blatantly obviously biologically that it's alive in the womb (there are also numerous other Bible verses indicating that the unborn is precious and human, but I wouldn't use Bible verses to try to convince people).</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">you have no concept of body autonomy. That literally means that someone else cannot use your body without consent. No matter what. The person using your body, in this case the embryo, then fetus, cannot shack up in a womb without your consent. It does not matter the fetuses body autonomy because they are the one using the other person, a pregnant woman is not using the fetus to sustain her life. </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><br /></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">a fetus had no brainwaves. It is alive but not living. Why would a fetus have bodily autonomy over a fully formed woman? I'm honestly curious what your view is on this.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">W</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hy do you think that a foetus doesn't have brainwaves? There are debates within the scientific community about it - but brain activity definitely begins well within the 2nd trimester. By 16 weeks, the foetus changes its facial expressions as music is played by the mother's belly.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Pay special attention to verse 21. Quote "when he makes your womb miscarry...". "He" as in the lord. As in El, Aba, Alah, Yehweh, Elohim, the father, the lord on high, the one above all.... YOUR GOD, just gave you an instruction manual on how to perform abortions. Is this or is this NOT the divinely inspired, immutable, infallible word of God?!</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">A priest saying some words whilst holding some dusty water is a symbolic ritual; it's not sticking implements into the uterus to dismember a foetus. It's also a command specific to the Hebrew people at a particular time; Christianity is primarily to follow Christ.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Read the whole thing. It says God will cause the womb to miscarry! Nevermind. You haven't read 90% of the bible so I don't expect you to care.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Obviously, I've read the whole Bible multiple times, what evidence do you have otherwise? God saying that He might cause a miscarraige is, again, not the same as people being permitted to tear up a foetus. And God is suggesting that He might make a decision - He knows better than we can what' best - it's nothing like a woman and a corporation that profits from abortion making the decision.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">grow the fuck up and get an education</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL, how exactly have I demonstrated lacking an education? Folowing health issues, I've not finnished my degree yet, which I'm furious with myself for - but I have looked at embryology at uni. What edication do you have that I've missed?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Oh and Grace, you can go ahead and shove your little book of hate and oppression where the sun doesn't shine, because "God" is irrelevant in this situation and you trying to force you religion onto people is just as bad as trying to downgrade women to subhuman!</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">It wasn't me who brought God into this discussion. Do you think that telling me to "shove your little book of hate and oppression where the sun doesn't shine" will somehow hurt my feelings or nudge me towards changing my opinion?<br />Your phrase "little book of hate and oppression" demonstrates that you've fundamentally misunderstood genuine Christianity - perhaps because of the many unChristian actions of people claiming (since they lke the label) to be Christian. It's because of Jesus' teaching that our society has standards of human rights and compassion that were lacking from pre-Christian cultures.<br />I'm not "trying to force religion on people", I'm just commenting, on the basis of my concern about destruction of humans, not "religion" - abortion forces peoples' opinion into an unborn human by actual killing them, whilst me typing doesn't change anything.<br />"Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world." James 1:27<br />"Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” " Matthew 22:37-40</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Wow. You choose to ignore the bible or simply twist it to suit your own set of beliefs. The bible says god does abortion. And so you move the goal posts: "Tearing up a foetus" is not what happens. Plus 80% of terminations are pre 11 weeks and the vast majority do not involve an invasive procedure. You need to do some research instead of screeching biblical and "pro life" nonsense.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">" it's nothing like a woman ... making the decision." No it's absolutely not. The difference between your invisible man in the sky making an imaginary decision and a pregnant woman making a real decision about her body and her existence is really a very very big one.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">A miscarriage is not the same as an abortion. We could go round in circles with this, I have other things to do. I'm aware, and glad, that the majority of abortions happen early - but given that the foetus winces when prodded by 7 weeks, we can be certain that there are plenty of brutal procedures being carried out. And why do you think that no abortions involve tearing up the foetus? Seriously, what's your source?<br />More importantly, "invisible man in the sky" is a serious misunderstanding of what I believe. Have you looked at the scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of a creator for yourself?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">There are no valid scientific arguments for the existence of a creator. There are a lot of philosophical arguments for "Belief" in a creator, sure. But then there are philosophical arguments for belief in a many things which are not real..There are many mythical creator stories and you seem to not believe in all the rest of them. Nor do I.</span></span></i> </div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZD40bY5Wi00/XTpVWr5ETpI/AAAAAAAAA2A/JctD37xRs_079_cl_7dDxMiD36rBm-W2ACLcBGAs/s1600/dog-3415990_960_720.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="960" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZD40bY5Wi00/XTpVWr5ETpI/AAAAAAAAA2A/JctD37xRs_079_cl_7dDxMiD36rBm-W2ACLcBGAs/s320/dog-3415990_960_720.jpg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">That doesn't answer my question (about what I've missed). You're essentially just saying that I'm wrong because you're right, you've not explained or proven anything. Also, I was curious as to how much you or others had studied biology, since I've told that I'm uneducated (not that I care about insults).<br />How you've concluded that the biological process that we're here because of, and which can be avoided by not having sex (or using contraception and plan B) is torture is beyond me, but clearly this argument is futile.<br />Ultimately, all of this unimportant by comparison to the question of God, ans your earlier comment demonstrates that you're unaware of that field of debate, so I think that we should stop wasting time here. There are plenty of scholars (with PhDs in sciences and philosophy) who explain why they've concluded that God exists in books and easily accessible online articles and lectures. If you wanted to weigh them up for yourself, you could, but you've just chosen to ignore them. I can't force you.<br />Have a good week, seriously.</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I've got a ton of evidence of 'creation' via physics and chemistry and biology. What have you got?</span></span> </i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Good grief, you think belief in God opposes belief in physics, chemistry and biology? Why? Seriously, I urge you to try the work of some scientists who are Christian, like this, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2F-Gsa58Rm8Sk%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1nOyXXsqUO1oltnQDEa62SG3CxyLbppbrHfrZlY9Ud2rsWW_Cvr3WzKVk&h=AT0PDC7r5J0umdonCBskORhKPMHHMTRIUIiCyWH9AofXp1ZHc4JxQZaQ_PrpvdFjO1jIdN7StTMDAj2AbXFex9Enj96_CGVfY2oD9fMT1ovojKolKIc0rL6UgnzvKV7yzwHz" href="https://youtu.be/-Gsa58Rm8Sk?fbclid=IwAR1nOyXXsqUO1oltnQDEa62SG3CxyLbppbrHfrZlY9Ud2rsWW_Cvr3WzKVk" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/-Gsa58Rm8Sk</a> At very least, please try this article from TIME <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1QVSlCe8QP1FCxy1LkKhPEUoiA6PeRpMaL1rsoKLoNcG_c2SudYy3D5yk&h=AT1ytCs5e06_4u6ywJkvSldJLWlWio3M6oHcN7zjcuZXwTi02ho45zN46FgUFxnYB4v3nM0Ss6x3G4EdLp1jwss6zRgMRdGaNFnO5vRiM83LzaM99MC_Sw-F2xfp3m33oVaK" href="http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/?fbclid=IwAR1QVSlCe8QP1FCxy1LkKhPEUoiA6PeRpMaL1rsoKLoNcG_c2SudYy3D5yk" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a></span></span><i> </i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Just a few important points - I'm not advocating literal young Earth creationism, few Christians do. Early Genesis is endlessly debated amongst Christians, but theologians and scientists general conclude that differences in language and writing style account for differences between a literal interpretation and geology. In fact, current genetics dies refer to a mitochondrial Eve and a Y chromosome Adam, but either way, you've not disproven the concept of sin, which we trust on the basis of revelation from God through prophets and Christ given crediblity by miracles.</span></span> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">If you looked at the lecture to which I hyperlinked, and others by scientists who are Christians, you'd start to see that this isn't about a god of the gaps, but that the impossible specificity and interdependence of the universe and biological world demonstrate a creator. I can't make you agree, but you should be aware that there's a serious argument to be made for a God, not that everyone who believes in Him is necessarily rejecting science.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Considering the Bible advocates for men to force abortions on their wives of they suspect their wife became pregnant by another man...maybe try not to use the Bible as a moral compass. That & your religion represents your beliefs, it does not represent mine or millions of other ppl who follow different religions or no religion @ all. If your argument is based on your interpretation of your beliefs, then you have no real argument to begin w/.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i> </div>
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No, the Bible doesn't advocate that, you seem to be selectively interpreting the Mosaic law. Our moral standard is Jesus, who compelled us to love others. His teachings are the foundation of the positive moral values that our society has.<br />
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How exactly have you determined this, Vice? I don't suppose that you spend much time in Churches.<br />
Have you statistically analysed research from large numbers of Church attendees? I am BY NO MEANS excusing any abuse or suppression of it being addressed, but I suspect that you don't actually have enough information to know that it's "almost impossible" to speak about abuse, and that you're just usin<span class="text_exposed_show">g an opportunity to the bashes the Church. I know, for example, that a particular evangelical Church that has been said, by a main newspaper, to be covering up an incident of abuse, did in fact inform the congregation about it last year (I was listening then).<br />I think that you're taking advantage of grotesque abuse for the sake of an article.</span> NB - Evangelical, by definition, means to want to tell people about how Jesus died and rose for humanity - not everyone who calls themselves evangelical actually fits that description, and anyone who genuinely loves Jesus will hate some of Trump's words and policies. <br />
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It's bizarre seeing people describe this as "sweet". She could save starving children in Yemen and DRC, but instead pays for tiny unborn humans to be torn up.</div>
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Seriously, what biology textbook told you that? "Nothing more than parasitic tissue"? With all due respect, you've been seriously misled. The fact that it temporarily relies on the mother's blood supply doesn't mean, at all, that it is "nothing more than parasitic tissue" - it is, by definition, human. I'm not arguing about zygotes - but a foetus begins to have brain function before the 2nd trimester, and I don't see why someone else has the right to suction or chop it to pieces. People who need blood and other donations aren't in that situation because someone else chose to have sex, so they're not at all comparable. Of course, people in need of donations ARE provided with them, rightly so. <br />
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Why are people shipping them? Seriously, I really want to understand.</div>
I stronglly suspect that people are so interested to see gay relationships - since they're rarer - that they don't care about Whitney being heartbroken. It was the same with Christian and Syed - people seemed so excited and not to think that it mattered that Syed's fiance would be devestated. The same thing happened several months ago in Neighbours - loads of people were shipping 2 girls to get together, irrespective of the fact that one was engaged (to the other girl's brother). Obviously homophobia needs to be addressed, but it seems sad when people are so excited at watching relationships that will leave fiances hurting.<br />
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Whilst this case is abhorrent, we can't just turn up our noses and ignore the world's most severe suffering. Oxfam needs to change - but it's nevertheless beneficial to humanities most disadvanted people if we buy things from Oxfam shops (and their website) rather than from typical retailers. And there are many other charities that we can donate to which are working in the very most impoverished places.<br />
That we can feed a starving child for a month for £4 is thrilling, and development has made a serious dent in poverty in recent decades because it can be amazingly cost effective - there's still horrific need that we have the privilege of helping.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">We have children in poverty in this country, we should feed them first and help our homeless. I could not care less what the % of our GDP it is.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why?<br />In fact, children are fed in this country. Few parents are genuinely unable to buy food, and there are free school meals, benefits, and food banks. The system needs to be improved, but those children who have the least do so because of issues with the DWP, not because we should give less to those whose poverty is even more severe.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">here's the thing: Nobody was christian outside of Europe. If this doesn't prove no god exists, then you will find out eventually.</span></span></i> </div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Christianity began outside of Europe, and spread to parts of Africa and Asia before Europe became Christian. Regardless, why would whether/where/when people follow Christianity determine whether God exists? Before a scientific discovery is made, people won't believe in a given scientific reality, but that won't mean that it isn't true.</span></span> <br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Christianity, from its own texts, is PRO slavery.</span></span> </i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">The Bible was written in a society where slavery was the unquestioned norm, and it compels slave masters to treat their slaves well, contrary to other cultures at the time, and to ultimately to free them. It specifically outlaws kidnapping - so taking slaves is banned; slaves already existed, more equivalent to employees today than the slave trade's victims.<br /><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zachariastrust.org%2Fdoes-the-bible-condone-slavery%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1k9pUAqlPHTJLA-58C_GpuvZzD6AfoCbkkl8SA-qSe9NjDgfqMny5TyR4&h=AT0JKJLV-YMJwAk80PMb3tN36p953Fa9wZUC1cn87ygjs3W2rnvYlmc3k1enXjtppKZOerlegxp9JJbr2uPU2wfisJQAgRAbRPY6BS-yeRomRkAjK905PiMna44J27NUr5Bd" href="https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone-slavery?fbclid=IwAR1k9pUAqlPHTJLA-58C_GpuvZzD6AfoCbkkl8SA-qSe9NjDgfqMny5TyR4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone...</a><br />God gave rules to the Hebrews designed to help them best manage society at the time given deeply held attitudes at the time. Their culture presumed that women were property - God's laws for them at that time were to challenge those attitudes, He couldn't force people to immediately view the world entirely diifferently.<br />Jesus shows us how God actually wants us to live and treat others.</span></span><i> </i> <i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Jesus would have owned slaves if it were within his station during his life because he was a devout Jew, which means his own religious guidance came from the Old Testament.</span></span> </i> <span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">That Jesus was a "devout Jew" means that He was dedicated to Yaweh, not that He copied other people who were Jewish by heritage. Jesus taught that we must treat others as we would want to be treated, and that most important thing aside from loving God is to love others.</span></span> <i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I'm glad that's your position, because it means you're more moral than the bible. The bible literally gives instructions on how you can beat your slaves, where you can get your slaves, and Jesus tells slaves to obey their earthly masters as they would the Lord.</span></span> </i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, people at the time that the Bible was written saw it as entirely normal to beat their slaves, and the Bible sets bold restrictions - by no means does it "give instructions on how you can beat your slaves". And the words about obedience to which you refer are Paul's, not Jesus's. Again JESUS COMPELLED US TO LOVE OTHERS AS OURSELVES. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftheweeflea.com%2F2019%2F06%2F12%2Fa-s-k-3-does-the-bible-condone-slavery%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0KVoDTJO6AcXVdJ8paLYiUHRnaly232mfgTXDvX95hap74AeFte2XD0XU&h=AT3KqUlTTXqeMBYy7bVJi3W3PDsbHar5NmHhf3gZLh3jAY7vR9YFKPbwv4w2ap1UxfdnNhIRTc3pQ_s4y6VBxabzY2c7GJo-gNlXqIe12rHuAfqtECKGjQ41s1n7E8UAe4S9" href="https://theweeflea.com/2019/06/12/a-s-k-3-does-the-bible-condone-slavery/?fbclid=IwAR0KVoDTJO6AcXVdJ8paLYiUHRnaly232mfgTXDvX95hap74AeFte2XD0XU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://theweeflea.com/.../a-s-k-3-does-the-bible.../..</a></span></span><i> </i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"Go die, bitch." - paraphrased Matthew 15:21-28</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Jesus was prompting the woman to state what needed to be said. Other teachings of His, such as the parable of the good Samaritan, make it clear that He wants people of differing ethnic groups to be treated the same.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
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I think it will lead to dangerous rage amongst the far right - I think that societal injustice and disharmony probably require more nuanced solutions.<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">They're human beings, not flooding. They're moving because the places that they've been born into - through no fault of their own - make it impossible for them to survive or life comfortably. At the very least, we need to have comassion.</span></span> <br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It's absolutely their fault, Muslims are never in peace since the day of their existence. Millions of lives had been lost due to the Shia vs Sunni over who's more peaceful between them. The facts is they are not the most peaceful people on earth nor they are poor, Islamic countries are well known for their rich natural resources. Look at Europe, wherever Muslims spread their peace, crime rates keep going up triple.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm well aware that some aspects of Islam are dangerous - but someone being born in am Islamic country doesn't mean that anything is "their fault". Each individual is different, and the minority who behave as criminals aren't the fault of the innocent, suffering people who happen to have been born in the same area. Many people who are Muslim by birth in fact contribute more positively to humanity than us average Europeans. Correlation is not causation : the increase in crime in Europe is the result of various factors, and the increase in Muslims doesn't mean that Muslims are to blame - both trends are factors of the modern world. A particular cause of increased crime, amonst others, is that fewer people are trying to emulate Jesus than previously.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
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According to the NHS's own website, "Just 12 weeks after your last period, the foetus is fully formed. All the organs, muscles, limbs and bones are in place, and the sex organs are well developed."<br />
Why do people (who criticise Hunt here) seem to think it's wrong to want to stop the tearing up of tiny humans?<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">because at 12 weeks gestation and even up to 22-24 weeks they cannot live outside of their mothers womb. In all real sense, until they can, they could be considered a parasite! After all, they take nutrients from the mother, cause sickness and other medical problems. If it were an intestinal worm, you'd want rid, humans aren't all that you know. Just look around you! And before I get the "I hope you never breed" comment, I've had 4 children and the last one nearly killed me. </span></span></i><i><br /></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"A parasite"? By what definition is someone a human in your ideology?<br />Of course I'm concerned for the mother, and there should be far more support for them. However, the mother has, in 99% of cases already made a decision; and stands to go through a normal biological process, whilst the unborn human stands to be torn up.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why on Earth do you think I'd say that I hope you never breed? I'm so sorry that your pregnancy was tough.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">it's none of your business.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You might well argue that a parent hasn't the right to kill their newborn - it would be none of your business, but it would be right to argue because the newborn is a human who no one else has the right to kill. A foetus is simply a few months younger - saying that "it's no one lse's busniess" doesn't make killing that tiny human OK.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>there are abnormalities that aren't picked up until the 20 week scan. One that can kill mother and foetus in utero or shortly after birth. Not all abortion is used as birth control.</i></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No one is opposing abortion that's genuinely necessary to save the mother's life. Which abnormalities are you referring to? Many don't justify abortion.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">even in the Bible, life begins at the first breath and a foetus is not considered to be a separate person. If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one, but don't force your opinions on other women.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL, which Bible have you been reading? Seriously, it doesn't say that, and several verses refer to the preciousness of the unborn</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Fabortion-what-the-bible-says-and-doesnt-say_b_1856049%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3p6UVxRaAchOfT89uYVlsd9m_D2ZQsf1clSvLTg-m6__ZJnoYVKTCdnNE&h=AT2DhmyQTiZnh_XrImKipHLtEe690PSZ7p5UjlnyY5Nq8PtPVddmnm9pByUNEY1uXfNhT1sb2EuIdvfHIAoUAiHhjqyB67w_6RBTqDVSnuFpTsGUuyijQSDZw691aoBAHLYf" href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abortion-what-the-bible-says-and-doesnt-say_b_1856049?fbclid=IwAR3p6UVxRaAchOfT89uYVlsd9m_D2ZQsf1clSvLTg-m6__ZJnoYVKTCdnNE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.huffpost.com/.../abortion-what-the-bible-says...</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">In any event, why should your opinion be forced on another woman? Noone is asking you to have an abortion you don't want.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I'm just commenting, we all comment, it "forces" nothing. An abortion forces someone else's opinion on the unborn human by actually destroying them. And why not actually highlight the Bible verses you're referring to? Why should I read a Huffpost article (Huffpost is seriously biased, I'd rather not give it ad revenue unnecessarily).</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
N<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">one of those verses indicate that life "doesn't begin until breath". The verse about being called in the womb is not be necessarily only about the nation by any means. And obviously, there are other verses about being in the womb, such as Psalm 139. In the NT, we're told that John the Baptist lept for joy in His mother's womb - which is of course, not strictly literal, but clearly makes the case that the preborn are considered to be alive and important. Of course, I wouldn't expect anyone who isn't a Christian to care what the Bible says, and I didn't bring it up.<br />What bothers me is that some abortions happen at a stage where the foetus is sufficiently developed to have brain activity - and that's long before 24 weeks. Last year, a prize was won for a scientific study of how 16 week foetuses change their expressions in response to music played just outside the womb. Ultimately, contraception is freely available, there's also the morning after pill, and there are parents desperate for newborns. This isn't even about banning abortion, only banning it after 3 months. There are plenty of options available - and as I've found, contrary to the lie we've been sold since the 60s, it's perfectly possible to enjoy life without sex <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:)</span></span></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">you god-squadders make me sick. You have no regard for a child born with multiple disabilities, living with absolutely no quality of life at all. I have worked with such children, have you? Have you given birth to one?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;"><i> </i></span></span></span></span><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9WLK-88FyJo/XTpV90C25kI/AAAAAAAAA2Q/eb0IFNc81O0Zwg-5EDY41Z4S0uy7YogowCLcBGAs/s1600/feeding-1811837_960_720.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="960" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9WLK-88FyJo/XTpV90C25kI/AAAAAAAAA2Q/eb0IFNc81O0Zwg-5EDY41Z4S0uy7YogowCLcBGAs/s320/feeding-1811837_960_720.jpg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Yikes, "God squadders"? I didn't even bring up God. Without thinking about God, I'm concerned about human beings being torn limb from limb, is it only us Christians who care about that? Why do you think we don't care about children who are disabled? I didn't say that whether or not abortions should be allowed for the very most severe cases, I asked which "abnormalities" are being referred to - because I wouldn't argue in those instances where it could be certain that the child would suffer more than they'd enjoy life, but in many instances that isn't the case. There are plenty of examples of women who've been advised to abort because of "abnormalaties" but have refused, and their child has been born healthy. There are also endless examples of abnormalaties being a reason that doctors advise abortion, but in fact the child, though not entirely "typical" grows up to be a blessing to those they meet, such as many cases of Down's syndrome. There are "abnormalities" that, increasingly, can be treated, such as spina bifida which has begun to be operated on in the womb. There are also plenty of cases of women refusing to abort a baby with severe abnormalities, and being glad to have spent a few hours with the baby after birth - though it's heartbreaking for a baby to have an abnormality that means that they won't survive, the parents still find that, in such a situation, it brings them more peace to bring that baby to term than to abort it.<br />Crucially, "God squadders" have been driving care for those with disabilities throughout Christianity's history, because of the belief that every person is valuable to God, whilst various atheist figures and political groups advocate for killing the disabled. (Nb, I'm well aware that most atheists would not advocate that).<br />No, I've not given birth to anyone, I've not had sex. Our culture has conned us into thinking that we all need regular sex as soon as we reach the age of consent - it's a lie perpetuated because sex sells.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;"> </span></span></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">it's also possible to enjoy life without alchohol drugs good food and especially religious nut jobs. But who wants too? Give me my sex I love it! Think this is a case of religion telling others how to live. Thankyou for your perfect life but we now have a life worth living not some narrow minded medieval hell! Your type had 1500 years to make a difference and all you brought was hypocrisy pain and suffering.</span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Your type? Countless people have called themselves Christians because they like the label ans feel it makes them appear noble <br />- but not actually been trying to follow Christ, which is, I'm fact, the definition of Christian.<br />Many who actually have been following Jesus commands have done awesome things - though Christianity became such an assumption in our society that we often to recognise how much of the good in human history was inspired by people wanting to emulate Christ. (Nb, that does NOT mean that I consider us superior). <br />This wasn't even a debate about Christianity, with all due respect, have you actually read what I've written? And it isn't about people trying to control women, it's just expressing the opinion that once a woman has chosen to have sex, and a tiny human has developed to stage of brain activity, she shouldn't kill it. You might well argue that a parent hasn't the right to kill their newborn - it would be none of your business, but it would be right to argue because the newborn is a human who no one else has the right to kill. Even if you deny that a human several weeks younger than that is a human, it's my knowing that it is that males me frustrated with abortion.<br />Ultimately, God, who loves everyone, is an incomparably more important topic than this, and I hate wasting time on these debates. We Christians have other things we want to tell the world.</span></span><span class="fwb"></span></div>
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The iPhone is not the problem. Kids will likely encounter anything that they might on the internet via other kids and/or when they're slightly older. They need to be taught what's right and wrong with reasoning and discussion, so they grow up resolved in their own minds to do the right thing. There are also, obviously, ways for parents to restrict access to porn - trying to cut kids from the internet altogether, now that it's so integral to preparing for work, will cause other issues, and will make them more tempted to seek out bad things when they eventually get the opportunity.</div>
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Jesus made it clear that everyone is loved and should be welcomed - He also told us that to love God is the paramount command, so we should support God's design rather than "celebrate" someone rejecting it.<br />
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Mike Heffernan how are you defining "allows"?<br />
God commands us again and again to treat others well.<br />
We'd be robots lacking free will and thus meaning if He blocked every wrong human action - but if we're all merely molecules and no more, how and why do you care about abuse?<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Obviously, it's inexcusable for him to disregard the suffering of the underprivileged in this country, and obviously, there are people in great need, and the DWP is failing some people horribly. However, we ourselves should note that this is relative poverty, distinct from absolute poverty. The 14m live in households with incomes below 50% of the national median - but the 40% of people in Africa in absolute poverty live on less than £1.50/day.<br />Our culture doesn't pay enough attention to the grotesque poverty in other parts of the world - many of which are ultimately poor because of the colonialism that's made us rich (as well as the following despotic regimes that colonialism enabled; the natural disasters resulting from our lifestyles; and the greed and corruption of our corporations).<br />I constantly see comments that we shouldn't donate to those in poverty overseas because of the need here - but those helped by charities overseas have no NHS (and do have many diseases that we don't have to face at all), and have little or no state services/welfare state; as well as little or no education access and even fewer job opportunities (if any) than there are here.<br />Our government should be doing far, far, far more to help the disadvantaged here, the wealth gap they've facilitated is despicable - but we should also keep in mind that equally precious human beings are suffering even more severly beyond our little island; and you and I can, with thrilling cost/value (eg, we can feed a starving child for a month for £4), transform some of their lives.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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As a Christian, I believe that God has forbidden gay sex - I also believe that He nevertheless loves EVERYONE (and we are ALL sinners); and that He commands us to have compassion and respect for everyone, as well as common sense.</div>
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<i>a<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">s a human being i would guess if an all powerful entity with the power to create everything in the universe from nowt that my diary would be too busy to be arsed about the odd species copulation habits given he created billions of them. Seems unlikely given his workload, i mean if he wasn't arsed about Hitler going off on one or the ongoing millions starving throughout the world where he has been, let us face facts here, caught napping a bit on, i'm sure a bit of sex with another consenting adult is not something he'd be bothered about despite the pish somebody wrote down millenia later after learning how to write and produce papyrus and ink.</span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Wow, I've never come across anyone claiming that before! (excuse my sarcasm). I've been looking into and debating this much of the time for years. I'd still argue that, evolutionarily, fundamental aspects of Christianity can't be accounted for in a solely Darwinian worldview. Seriously though, what exactly has led you to that conclusion? Have you looked at the points made by Christian academics, from science and philosophy, for concluding that a creator - ie, God - exists, for yourself?<br /><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Ffinetuning%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3GTlfwRgsaiJB-c_P07T6JZLRPhz9zbZSku1UrW4ning8TkqIeEjIR8Po&h=AT2F3xgmi-y7LlHNyYP0emSgrLkHs6GSucqlJfIVajML7k4iQjVgkNC8YuFShnYPg9EI-X1BwENYStlLDS2TV1tXr586kp9qpFZJQatgaRm2lT0-6YYaFm4WQySnck_F-AlZ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning</a></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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But we need to be tactful. Simply making people angry, and making them think that Christians are bigoted, serves no purpose. Our aim is to encourage people to consider turning to Jesus, not to cathartically let out our frustrations with today's society. We can say what God has told us - that He forbids gay sex - but we must be careful how we say things; and must, at the same time emphasise that God also loves everyone and has commanded us to be loving and respectful (as Jesus demonstrated).<br />
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Yuh, we're all human, obviously. And God repeatedly commanded us to love our neighbors. But Jesus taught is that He is The Way, The Truth and The Life, no one comes to The Father other than through Him. He then proved Himself by rising from death. If we actually love Muslims, we should pray and look for opportunities to talk to them about Jesus - in a manner that emulates Him.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Which part of 'Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." ' do you dispute? Obviously, other verses back it up (eg, Acts 4:12 'Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved'); as do writings of the Church Fathers (who lived straight after the disciples - when witnesses were still discussing Jesus, and there'd been no oportunity for Imperialism or mythology to alter the message).<br />I never said we should "force beliefs on others", we should explain, asking God to guide our words, what we believe and why - especially since Muslims have been taught many falsehoods about Christianity.<br />Why do you think that "Jesus wants" us not to talk to others about the awesome offer He has made to them? Surely you're aware that He said 'Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If you do a character study of Abraham, you would not find a very nice person.... Sarai is Abraham's neice;...in fear he gave her to a king to be in his harem.... after Isaac's birth he gives in to Sarai's anger and sends his other son out in the desert with his mother, to die...only they did not...and tried to kill Isaac saying God told him....not a vary stable old man</span></span> </i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Scripture cannon came with the Popes 100s of years after Christ's death. Quoting empty scripture with no true knowledge of the historical facts doesn't provide support to your uneducated opinion.</span></span> </i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">No, my source is called THE VATICAN. You just don't get to lie about facts. You know lying is still a sin, right. "This question is technically one of canonicity. “Canon” means norm or standard. The term was first applied by St. Athanasius to a collection of Jewish and Christian writings around the year 350. A fourth-century bishop of Alexandria, Egypt, Athanasius was a powerhouse.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The decision of which texts were to be included is not at all the same as the writing of the texts themselves. They were written within decades of Christ's death. (Also, I don't follow the Vatican)</span></span> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">What "outlandish claim"? And how would you know whether "no Biblical historian agrees"? Have you read the work of all of them? Why have you ignored my point that the decisions on which books to include is a different matter from the writing of the texts themselves?<br />What evidence is there of salvation - from death - apart from Jesus?<br />And why are you so argumentative? I've specifically stated that we must love Muslims, yet you're reacting as though I'm an Islamophobe.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Jesus is a Prophet in the Muslim faith. They are also descended from Abraham. </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why all the obsessing about whether or not Islam is Abrahamic? It is, but what reason does anyone have to think that that's crucial? (crucial really being the operative word here.....). Jesus defeated death, and offered everyone eternal life through belief in Him; Abraham doesn't determine eternal life. The New Testament, obviously, repeatedly emphasises that Jews and gentiles are equal.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">What do you mean by "Your job is not to determine who is or who is not "right""? I didn't say that it was (my job to determine WHO is right) - but do we not all seek to find out WHAT is right? (+the Bible tells us to do so), <br />"they could all be right or they could all be wrong." no, it's not possible for all beliefs to be right. Muslims believe that Jesus didn't actually die on the cross - it's not possible for that belief, and what the texts from the actual witnesses saying that He did die (and rise), to both be correct. Do you trust Muhammed, who lived 600 years after Jesus, or numerous writers who lived at the same time as Jesus?<br />"it is not for you to judge." when did I say I was "judging"?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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There are couples desperate for newborns. Many of us are desperate for tiny humans to no longer be torn to pieces.<br />
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40% of people in Africa live in extreme poverty (below $1.90 per day, when different costs of living are accounted for). For goodness sake, pay generously for Africa's minerals, and develop strategies to end the scourge of conflict minerals.</div>
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Why? We're genuinely privileged to have regular ice cream, and to ever visit zoos or boats - most of humanity isn't so lucky. If we focus on how much we have to be grateful for - including things we take for granted - we can really, really enjoy them.<br />
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It's colonialism by Europe that's left Africa with the poverty that leads people to risk their lives trying to migrate. Our ancestors stripped the continent of the equivalent of 10s, likely 100s of $trillions; and today, our multinational corporations continue the theft<br />
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OK. If only the news would talk about other things now.<br />
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They're just characters - but do you really think it's ethical to impose your belief onto someone else and deny their biology?</div>
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God hates sexual exploitation. And ultimately, Jesus teaches "In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you."<br />
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<i>I don’t like the word tolerance.</i><br />
<i> I don’t tolerate somebody. I respect somebody, I work with somebody, I love somebody.</i><br />
<i> I don’t like the idea I’ve got to tolerate them because they’re a different faith. No, respect is a much better way.</i><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Ooh, but what is your faith, Jeremy?<br />(Obviously, they're great words, but saying that some people are of a different faith implies that you have some faith, and it'd be fascinating to know what that is)</span></span><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"> </span></span></div>
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He doesn't "have to have one" - but his saying "I’ve... they’re a different faith" implies that he has a faith, and I was under the impression that he didn't. I'm always fascinated to know what people believe - because I find the big questions interesting, but also because "faith" can impact decisions.<br />
Plenty of people, especially politicians, call themselves Christian because it's a familiar label that they like, or that they hope will score them a few votes; if people genuinely believed in Jesus enough that they desired to emulate His example and teaching, our country would be a fairer, more compassionate place.<span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">God, Jesus and whatever isnt about compassion. Compassion is a trait amongst humans that should be taught regardless of faith. Bear in mind, people use faith as an excuse to discriminate against LGBT and minorities. You dont see that intolerance in most atheists, so how would faith make the world a compassionate place? Religion has been around for who knows how long, and there has always been a lack of compassion towards others who are different. The only time being different has been accepted is when atheism came into the picture..</span></span></i><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></div>
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Not about compassion? Many of our society's values stem from its Christian heritage. Jesus repeatedly commanded compassion for others - and throughout history across the globe, there's otherwise been barbarism because human nature can be selfish.<br />
As I said, there's a crucial distinction between people calling themselves Christian - because they like how familiar it feels to them or <span class="text_exposed_show">because they hope that it might mean that some people think more highly of them - and actually following Christ.<br />PS - atheist regimes (since you mention atheism) have killed far, far, far more people than so-called "religious wars" (which were often, in fact, entirely opposed to what Jesus actually taught us about how to live).</span><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">what atheist regimes? And why do people in every faith use their faith as a means to discriminate and oppress others for being different, if its so compassionate?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">and im in no means saying religion isnt compassionate, i dont believe in religion but if people use it to actually be compassionate then more power to them. I dont understand why they need to be compassionate because a God says so rather than just to be a decent person but if theyre being compassionate then whatever. Im referring to a statement like "religion would make the world compassionate". That statement is false, religion is the reason ISIS do what they do, why Westboro hate LGBT, why Buddhists are killing Muslims in Myanmar, why Israelis are killing Palestinians, why Nazi's attacked Jews and their are countless more examples. Also, do you know anything about history at all? Religious wars are the cause of most wars throughout history. The idea that atheist regimes have killed far more than religion is absolutely ridiculous.</span></span></i><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Stalin, Mao etc - were firmly atheist and killed many times more people than the crusades. <br />As I said, human beings are all selfish to some extent. So when you say that "religious" people mistreat others and try to justify it by "religion" it's simply because, as I said, it's a label that they like, or they hope some people will think of them as more noble. So "religion" is simply the best excuse they can think of for trying to justify themselves - but what they say and do doesn't actually define what genuine Christianity is.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I didn't say, as you've just said I did, that faith would make the world a better place. I said that if people were genuinely trying to follow Jesus, the world would be a better place. Plenty of people who call themselves Christians aren't actually following Him. Those of us who are trying still fail - but we become more compassionate than we ourselves were before we followed Jesus. It's not, as you suggest, because we want to score points with God - that's the ideology that other faiths teach, and that we can fall in to, but in fact Jesus taught that it's not what we do that determines whether we get to heaven. Nothing we could do is enough - but Jesus offers heaven to everyone, so salvation depends entirely on whether we truly, deep in our hearts, choose to accept Him. IF we do, we naturally WANT to love others as He taught. And we also believe, though obviously you don't, that by committing ourselves to Jesus, we're giving Him permission yo work with us in overcoming our inclinations to sin - so the good that we do is NEVER anything to be boastful about, because it's through God's help that we gradually become better people.</span></span><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Why mention ISIS? I never said anything suggesting that we should follow Muhammed. And Westboro can call themselves whatever they want, they're wrong. Their attitude plainly shows that they're not following Jesus, therefore by definition, they aren't Christian. As Christians, we believe that God has told humanity not do certain things, and gay sex (nb, not orientation) is one of them - but He's also repeatedly told us that it's not OK to bully others - we MUST love the people themselves, even though we don't support some of their choices. Jesus response to the woman caught in adultery shows how He wants us to respond to sexual immorality (of course, adultery is not the same as homosexuality, but both are sex that God has advised against).</span></span><br />
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Indeed, everyone needs to be correctly regarded as equal, and discrimination needs to be stopped - but that everyone needs to watch sex scenes.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">But should sex scenes be censored just because they are between two people of the same sex?</span></span><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></i></div>
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No, I'd feel the same about any sex scenes - some degree of action is OK, but often they go further than I think they should; more importantly, we shouldn't define people by sex, and Elton John should stop his exhibitionism.<span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></div>
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Obviously, attacks like this are vile and unacceptable - but you're deflecting and deliberately misrepresenting Pro-life. I'm absolutely not excusing any abuse by pro-lifers, but ^this, in the absence of any discussion about the violence against thousands of times more humans by abortion itself, is unbalanced.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Govt forced pregnancy is violent. Imprisoning/executing women and doctors is violent. Condemning newborns to dangerous situations like abuse, infanticide resulting from lack of abortion access is violent. Pro-life obsession with cutting social programs is violent. Abortion isn't violent, its healthcare. If you genuinely felt sorry for an embryo, you would try to make the country more hospitable to having a family without going into financial ruin and miserable situations.</span></span><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"Govt. forced pregnancy", Claudia Barrett? No, pregnancy is the biological result of sex which people choose to have (only 1% of abortions are due to rape, according to Planned Parenthood's own data). And newborns needn't be "condemned to abuse" because there are couples desperate to adopt newborns (also, just because a baby is conceived by accident doesn't mean that the parents will ignore their natural instincts of care and abuse it).<br />I'm desperate for poverty to be tackled (and obviously, there should be universal essential sex ed and contraception). You seem to be presuming that I'm opposed to things that I didn't comment on the basis of my opposing abortion, but that's a fallacy - I hate abortion because of the destruction of tiny humans, I'm not unconcerned about injustice. I'm in the UK, where I vote left and spend much of my time arguing against the causes of poverty, abortion isn't my top concern</span></span><i> </i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Roe vs Wade gives every woman the right to privately make her own reproductive decisions, no matter the reason, and the majority of citizens do NOT want Roe vs Wade overturned..You can venture an opinion that 'abortion is murder' but it's just that, your opinion and it is irrelevant ,except to you.</span></span> </i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">most people want abortion time allowances here in the UK reduced, so even if people don't want abortion banned entirely, you can't assume that the public are fine with everything that currently goes on. And that's not the point anyway - the life of a small human shouldn't be in the hands of public opinion. And I'm well aware that what I write here is just my opinion, we all just write our opinions online, so what's your point?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">what about the violence against those who are already born? You might want to check those statistics. And what about the violence against entire generations of people by war. You might want to ask yourself the question as to why you believe an unborn embryo or fetus is more important than those already born. I think abortion is ugly and not something I would have done. However I do not feel I have the right to dictate to anyone else as to what they should or shouldn’t do when faced with this situation. Empathy is essential for understanding what it feels like to walk in someone else’s shoes.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">What do you mean by dictate? We all comment online, we aren't actually determining what happens to another person. Though in this instance, I and others feel compelled to comment because another human, who cannot speak up, is the victim. I'm not arguing about tiny embryos only several weeks gestation - but there are thousands of tiny humans who already have brains who are dismembered, so prolifers "speak" (type) up in despair.<br />Yikes, of course I'm concerned about humans who are already born! Why presume that I'm pro war? I'm heartbroken about victims of war and severe poverty, why would opposition to abortion mean that I wasn't? I'm well aware that there may be a correlation, but each person has their own set of opinions, abortion isn't legitimised by the evils of some Republicans.</span></span><br />
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Nonsense, who's telling women that "they have just one option — give birth and try raising a child"? There are parents desperate for newborns who could adopt - and there should be ample support for pregnant women in this process, including pay for time off work etc, obviously.<br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Those countries which educate their youth about the issues have far fewer unwanted pregnancies. Fact. Ignorance, poverty and the absence of free general health care and advice create the problem in the first place. Nowadays you'd think unplanned pregancies wouldn't coccur but they do, at all levels of society. The difference is that the wealthy end the pregnancies with experienced help. The rest look for a coat hanger. Fact.</span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"><i> </i></span></div>
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What's your point? I'm desperate for poverty to be tackled, and obviously, there should be universal essential sex ed and contraception. You seem to be presuming that I'm opposed to things that I didn't comment on the basis of my opposing abortion, but that's a fallacy - I hate abortion because of the destruction of tiny humans, I'm not unconcerned about injustice or anti-contraception.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I've not researched the heartbeat bill enough to have a clear opinion on it - but the point stands that there's the option to not have sex; to use various forms of contraception and Plan B; or to bring immeasurable joy to an infertile couple desperate for a newborn. <br />For the record, I'm in the UK, where I vote left, I'm not a Republican. my primary political concern is that wealth should be more equally distributed.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">potential human. 1:4 fertilized eggs never go on to even that status.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">As I've just said, I'm not arguing about zygotes (fertilised eggs), I'm arguing about the feotuses that are torn into pieces. Which textbook told you that prior to birth there is only a "potential human" and not a human? It has it's own unique genome and genetic coding that will bring it through childhood to being fully grown. Our NHS's website (not that that's what I rely on for biology, obviously; I quote it since it's an authoritative source, without bias, and the NHS performs abortions) states that at 12 weeks, the "baby" has all of its organs and now just needs to grow bigger. <br />What's your biological criteria for the start of a human? Are premature babies not human to you because they've not had 40 weeks gestation? Or caesareans because they've not been through the vaginal canal?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">viability. The woman counts too.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I never disputed that the woman counts. But this isn't an either or situation. There should, obviously, be far more support provided for mothers. I don't know enough about your health system's maternity care, but I get the impression that it's unfair - here everyone having a baby is going to get decent maternity care on the NHS, including support during and after pregnancy (as well as free contraceptives), I'm concerned that the poorest in the US may not be so fortunate (to clarify, I'm not boasting, we're just lucky). There should also be ample support for women to link with couples desperate to adopt newborns, and, obviously, laws to prevent a pregnant woman being disadvantaged by pregnancy.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">and that’s not going to happen with this administration. So maybe the best thing is to leave medical decisions to the woman and her doctor. It’s really no one else’s business.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I wasn't arguing in support of the administration, I was only arguing against abortion.<br />I argue (NB, we all argue online about everything, we're each entitled to simply have opinions), though it's "none of my business" because another human being is victimised. If you knew that someone was going to tear the limbs off a newborn in a hospital, you might argue about it, even though it's "none of your business"</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> <i>tear the limbs off a newborn in a hospital? That's a bit of a dramatic reach.</i></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span> </i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">All those that claim a two week old embryo is a "person".... you support the dealth penalty for women and doctors who participate in an abortion right?</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Rape only accounts for 1% of abortions, according to Planned Parenthood's own data. And Alabama is still planning to allow life-of-the mother [exceptions]. I still believe that., if it weren't for Hillary's support for late term abortions, she'd have won, and so many Democrat policies are desperately needed.</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">That it's misleading that it's endlessly brought up as an argument for allowing abortion, given that it accounts for such a tiny proportion of cases.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span class="fwn fcg"><span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":"k"}"></span></span></i>I follow US news outlets as well as British, because your culture has enormous oimpact on ours - and thus attitudes here are hugely influenced by America. Much of the film, music, TV and internet content consumed here, esp. by my genration, is from your side of the Atlantic, so I need to know what's going on with you guys if I want to understand my country's trajectory. And you're welcome to tell me to GTFO, but this the WWW, you have to put up with us foreigners <span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">and anyone non white)</span></span></div>
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Even if that's slightly true now - which is very disputable, and why the opinion of one economist has made so many headlines is beyond me - when we're in our 90s (which we will be, people are living longer) many of us (myself included) will find that it can suck to have no family.</div>
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Not that ^this isn't an outrageous tragedy, but please make clear that this refers to relative poverty - having a household income below 50% of the national average; which is very different to absolute poverty - “the inability to acquire the basic goods and services necessary for survival with dignity.”, living on less than $1.90 a day (using PPP exchange rates).<br />
Much more needs to be done to help those who are underprivileged here in the UK, so please don't think that I'm opposing that - but many, many people argue that Aid should be stopped since there's poverty here, and we need to clarify that there's even more severe need in developing countries (thus we should give more Aid).</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">In the Handmaid's Tale, women are raped, have wanted children taken from them; and are made to live as servants - to restrict abortion is nothing like the Handmaid's Tale, dressing up like this^makes no sense. All but the 1% of abortions due to rape, a choice was already made, to have sex.<br />Even when "safe" abortion is dangerous to womens' physical and mental wellbeing. What's needed is a combination of encouraging of abstinence (which is best for avoiding heartache, STIs, etc) alongside sex ed; free contraceptives (inc. vasectomies and tubal ligation) and far improved networks for pairing up unwanted unborn babies with parents desperate to adopt newborns.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. And abortion is 14 times safer than giving birth.</span></span> </i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy"? According to what authority? It's biology. Today, there are plenty of contraception options, and adoption.<br />Do the foetuses that have their skulls crushed and limbs ripped off give consent?</span></span> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> <i>Its pretty simple, consent to one thing is not consent to the unwanted outcome. Consenting to drive a car is not consenting to getting hit by a drunk driver. Otherwise we should just let nature takes its course and let them bleed out on th</i><i>e pavement. They knew the risks when they got behind the wheel, right? Contraceptives are a seatbelt in this analogy. Sure, it prevents a lot of damage, but isn't fail proof.</i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">No, because the reason that sex originally existed was for procreation; driving is necessary for many people to work; and being hit by a drunk driver is a very infrequent occurrence that's primarily the fault of someone else, and is also entirely possible as a pedestrian. I wouldn't argue, were it not the case that, in the situation of pregnancy, a tiny human is destroyed. If the stage of pregnancy is so early that they don't resemble a human, I wouldn't argue either - but that only lasts several weeks, whilst there are abortions happening on foetuses with all of their limbs and organs - including brains - I can't help but feel upset about it.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">okay then be a baby making machine but leave me the f*** out of it. I'm not a Christian I'm never going to be a Christian and I'm never going to live by Christian values. Christian values states that women are for breeding purposes only they reduce females to be breeding Mares.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Good grief, why do you think that Christianity sees women like that? The Bible's events take place in a very different culture from ours, so its partially reflective of a society were seen as property - yet many passages demonstrate remarkable egalitarianism for the time.</span></span> </div>
<i>[Angry testimony about sexual abuse; Church involvement; and being rejected by family when abuse came to light]</i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Obviously, I'm more sorry than I have words for for what you've been through. But a vital point needs to be emphasised - many Catholic Churches (and some others, obviously) have leaders who aren't actually in love with, and thus seeking to follow, Christ. So they shouldn't be a reason for rejecting Him.....</span></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Crucially, Jesus taught that “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’<br />Therefore when people are cruel, they're not following Him, because He's clearly instructed us to love others.<br />I genuinely can't fathom why you were told, or got the impression, that being sexually abused is a sin. I'm also bemused as to why you're angry with the pregnancy centre for encouraging you to speak up about the abuse, especially when you're angry with the Catholic Church for not encouraging you to speak up....</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">....So do you think that you should have been advised to keep the abuse quiet? Really?<br />The fault is with the abuser, and family for abandoning you. Encouraging victims to report abuse is the right thing - by consensus across our society - to do......</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">....I'm so, so sorry that you've felt depressed. You seem to think I'll be upset that you're having sex - why? I believe that sex should only happen within marraige, but I'm well aware that that's the case for almost no one, and that it's none of my business - and it doesn't upset me. That people reject God upsets me, the heartbreak and illness that some people suffer as a result of current sexual norms upsets me, and your depression, whatever its cause, upsets me. <br />I'm NOT comparing my experience to yours, but I was prescribed anti depressants as son as I was old enough to take them and have been on them ever since. I was sectioned (forced against my will under mental health law into a mental health facility for most of a year). It resulted in me spending huge amounts of time (since I was stuck indoors) looking at the reasoning supporting the existence of God and the resurrection of Jesus, concluding that (though I couldn't get my head around them) they were true, and then drew closer to God. That's enabled me to feel happier than I ever had done. But I know that will all sound daft to you.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x5flqcW1Lf8/XTpXV0YYAPI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/6WGRiFLtd9UbYDzxvc7bMz9TytIs-tv4wCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-1586948.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="627" data-original-width="940" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x5flqcW1Lf8/XTpXV0YYAPI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/6WGRiFLtd9UbYDzxvc7bMz9TytIs-tv4wCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-1586948.jpeg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I suspect that you're lumping me together with other prolifers who've offended you. My comments in isolation aren't enough for so much rage - though I don't mind, curse at me all you want. But I recommend addressing any erson's argument on the basis of what they themselves have written.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span> <br />
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We don't need to know. If we think about people like these^, we can enjoy what we have less than we otherwise would. We should focus on the fact that, compared to most of humanity, most of us are very wealthy - we have comfort and luxuries that people living a century ago, and most people elsewhere in the world could only dream of. Excitingly, we can make an enormous difference to the lives of some of the world's poorest people; we can also simply be happy about the countless everyday blessings we forget to enjoy.<br />
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Defined how? Plenty of people have co-opted Christianity because they like the label - but genuine Christianity, by definition, means to follow Christ, because of overwhelming gratitude for His self-sacrificial death in our place.<br />
What's fundamental, is that Jesus has made the offer of eternal life to anyone who will accept Him, though none of us are deserving. So whilst God may have "chosen" some for certain tasks, we have no reason to feel proud, and we are compelled to have empathy and compassion for everyone.</div>
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"Harsh"? To NOT endorse tiny humans being torn limb-from-limb? In all but the 1% of abortions due to rape, a choice was already made, to have sex.<br />
Even when "safe" abortion is dangerous to womens' physical and mental wellbeing. What's needed is a combination of encouraging of abstinence (which is best for avoiding heartache, STIs, etc) alongside sex ed; free contraceptives (inc. vasectomies and tubal ligation) and far improved networks for pairing up unwanted unborn babies with parents desperate to adopt newborns.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> <i>excuse, “tiny humans”? The word you are looking for is zygote, which is a clump of cells. Not even a fetus yet! </i><i>Tiny humans... seriously?</i></span></span> </div>
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How much embryology have you studied? There was quite a lot of embryology on my uni course - but even if there hadn't been, I'm fully aware of the zygote phase - it lasts 2 weeks, and I'm not arguing about termination at that stage. By 12 weeks, according to the NHS's own site, the foetus has all of its body parts, and simply needs to grow. Most Democrats, and plenty of abortion activists here, are advocating for abortion to be allowed far, far beyond this point, and here in the UK abortion is legal up to 24 weeks, at which stage babies born prematurely now often survive.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/newsbusters/videos/2152114741524925/"><span class="fwb">Ilhan Omar Calls Pro-Lifers Hypocrites Who Aren't Concerned With Kids At The Border</span></a></div>
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That's a logical fallacy - indeed some "pro-lifers" wrongly lack compassion for suffering migrants who are fleeing horrendous circumstances; but that doesn't change the fact that abortion is killing of a tiny human.<br />
Also, as politicians should be able to acknowledge, everyone is different, so whilst some pro-lifers may have certain other views, not all pro-lifers share those views (on migration etc). Would she want us to lump all Muslims together?<br />
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Christianity means more to me than anything - but the reason that I hate abortion (NB, I hate abortion, not people who have abortions) is that it's the destruction of a tiny human.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Here’s an idea: hate abortions? Give everyone proper sex-ed and free access to birth control. Abstinence-only sex ed doesn’t work, but teaching people how not to get pregnant and giving them the means to avoid doing so works wonders on the teen abortion rate.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">H</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ow much embryology have you studied? Yes, it is by definition a tiny human. There was quite a lot of embryology on my uni course - but even if there hadn't been, I'm fully aware that there's initially a clump of cells - but only for a very short time, and I'm not arguing about termination at that stage. By 12 weeks, according to the NHS's own site, the foetus has all of its body parts, and simply needs to grow. Most Democrats, and plenty of abortion activists here, are advocating for abortion to be allowed far, far beyond this point, and here in the UK abortion is legal up to 24 weeks, at which stage babies born prematurely now often survive.<br />If it were necessary to attach another human to me to keep them alive, I'd absolutely oblige - but that's not comparable, because the woman has already chosen to have sex (only 1% of abortions are due to rape - and yes, obviously the man should be forced to pay ample child support).</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">what baby, it’s not born, not your body, none of your business, your forcing your views onto women, which you are not one. It’s a women’s choice only</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"Forcing"? I'm just commenting. we all comment on things online. But why should it be the woman's choice, with no arguments from anyone, to tear limb from limb another human being?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You need a lot more than that. Does the tiny human suffer? Would it suffer more if not aborted? What about the suffering of the mother who doesn't want it?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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G<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">iven that a foetus winces away from surgical instruments with which it's prodded by around week 7, do you really think that it doesn't suffer if it has its skull crushed and limbs pulled off?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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Perhaps, but you don't get to decide what other peoples' motives are. How can you know that all of the tech billionaires who give are "bribing society" rather than expressing genuine desire to do good? Either way, what matters is that some people in need are helped.</div>
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They both make huge incomes by making girls feel that they're not pretty enough and that they need to buy expensive cosmetics. They should both stop.</div>
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Why is it thought to be fantastic to shun purity rings? No one should feel constrained by what their parents or minister have told them, that goes without saying. But God's guidance that we avoid sex before marriage is because He wants what's best for humanity, it's not sinister.<br />
And given that the brain releases high levels of oxytocin during sex, as well as the risks of STIs, it genuinely is optimal for mental and physical health not to have sex before marriage - but our culture worships sex, and outlets like Buzzfeed clearly deem it blasphemous to suggest that we shouldn't all be sexually active ASAP.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I hoped that we'd leave the EU entirely because I suspected that it might be the best outcome for developing countries (then didn't vote because of the racism I saw amongst some Brexiteers) - but it's plainly untrue that, as this article states, Aid has done nothing to reduce poverty in Africa. There are plenty of stats that demonstrate that progress has been made, there's just a long way to go. Aid needs to be improved, but already most of it is being used well - we should be fixing its problems, not cutting it. Aid that provides essentials, such as clean water, tools and education, will enable further progress toward self sufficiency.</span></span></div>
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We know you did, you've reshared this countless times, Vice. It's still gross - and it's grim that you'd spread the message that people should be reduced to their body parts. Don't you have anything more helpful to write about?<br />
Having a committed, private, unique bond with one person has worked well for much of humanity for much of human history - especially when people are older and an emotional bond increasingly becomes more important than sex. It seems sad that you don't get that.</div>
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I don't care about other people's sex lives, that's the point. I really wish that Vice could use it's platform to to more that contributes to better understanding of real world problems. But I am bothered by the impact that things like this have on long term relationships and wellbeing - articles about sex serve as profit making clickbait, but ultimately Vice could be influencing some readers to do things that, long term, could affect the wellbeing of them, their partners or their children.<br />
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I know this will seem concerning to people here - but seriously, £15m, in terms of government spending, is nothing. It's less than 0.0008% of our GDP. And those kids in Poland will be in greater need than most here.</div>
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But politicians' wrongful disregard for immigrants doesn't justify abortion. We need to urge politicians to have compassion for immigrants - but that doesn't change the reality that abortion destroys tiny humans. I'm so glad I'm not an American voter.</div>
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Awesome - but Kanye needs to get that following God isn't about him (Kanye) being superior, as he seems to relentlessly tell us that he is. The Psalms were mostly written by King David, who learned that being humble before God is vital. God loves and reaches out to everyone, and one day our personal wealth and success will be meaningless, whilst only our decision about Christ will matter. Kanye's "Sunday service" suggests that he's more interested in appearing enlightened than seeking God - but that's just my impression, I could be wrong....<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">We should certainly be compassionate and respectful to everyone - but that doesn't determine whether abortion itself is OK. We'll never *know* the terminated humans who could have been born, and they never had a *choice*; someone else decided to overrule their *bodily autonomy*. It baffles me the media are so keen to celebrate the destruction of tiny humans - we could be improving access to contraception and adoptive parents (since there are plenty who are specifically desperate for babies), instead, we're encouraging a procedure that's damaging to mental health <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambridge.org%2Fcore%2Fjournals%2Fthe-british-journal-of-psychiatry%2Farticle%2Fabortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009%2FE8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2UOSQ7bQHOjlUAPHgtjP32zS2i39Q5O3p20qSucCLSsLmuUpuHxhz37do&h=AT28FpuU3ssTOTf4N1s-T49upUEg5lpTGsxULjhKiuz6h5rts4CCNkvmJPhd8rInWKiLmoPBV2rqkPsu4HHK_JHQtel5Fia2DBd4eCojZPY6Ac-_kPJmLe_Vo1n-tezBa_Cf" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/abortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009/E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D?fbclid=IwAR2UOSQ7bQHOjlUAPHgtjP32zS2i39Q5O3p20qSucCLSsLmuUpuHxhz37do" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.cambridge.org/.../E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BE...</a> and physically dangerous <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flifecharity.org.uk%2Fnews-and-views%2Fambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2Ha1yFNA-iv4WiWw-NIKgC-M-5siaUc44EGUr_E2ssfCNBG2ax4exrXn8&h=AT2yyWZ1IYte3cUg29Ci15JmCGIXbbS-x6V_8jDJK6DziO4VDd0Qi24u5h9RZhZCuPzynH0BCNc8KDMvvNMNKGz-0qlXgR2esLTDHOX1BNj-9tjJ39y1XUaDkOu9dwk4JM_b" href="https://lifecharity.org.uk/news-and-views/ambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics/?fbclid=IwAR2Ha1yFNA-iv4WiWw-NIKgC-M-5siaUc44EGUr_E2ssfCNBG2ax4exrXn8" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://lifecharity.org.uk/.../ambulances-called-778.../</a></span></span></div>
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Emma Mad why do you think that you know what's going on in a stranger's mind? What's the point in ignoring what someone says, and accusing them of motivations for which you have no evidence? It suggests that you just don't want to consider a different opinion to your own, so all you can do is demonise those you disagree with whilst not addressing their points.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Your argument rests on the assumption that all humans who exist wanted to be born, but we can never know because someone else "overruled their bodily autonomy" and made that decision for them. So in fact, the unborn have no rights to choose whether or not to exist, nor even the capacity to make such a choice. It is always a pregnant woman's decision. The ability to obtain an abortion simply ensures she actually has a choice.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">By extension of your reasoning, anyone vulnerable could be killed on the basis that they might actually not want to be alive. Your reasoning would justify killing children, ill, disabled and elderly people who are only alive because other people are keeping them alive. And your argument rests on there being a significant likelihood that a person would regret being born - but only a tiny minority of people wish that they'd never been born, and on account of suffering things that they should receive support for. And why do "the unborn have no rights", when they're human as we are?<br />Other than in cases of rape, which account for just 1% of abortions, the woman has already made a choice.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I never used the phrase "dead babies" - but there are, indeed, dead human beings as a result of abortion - and you're honestly arguing that that's OK just because you want to put it out of your mind?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"Never know the terminated humans who were never born"? We are supposed to mourn these imaginary beings? If your parents had sex a day later you would have been an unborn human and another would have taken your place.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">T</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">he campaign "YouKnowMe" is calling on us to have empathy for people that we don't know on the basis that they're human and that people we do know might be included in the group - unborn humans are also human beings, like those we know and love only younger, and yet abortion deems it OK to tear them limb from limb.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"Abortion rates are rising" In fact, the exact opposite is true. Abortion rates are at an all time low and that is mostly due to sex education and easier, cheaper access to more effective birth control options. If you start out with such an easily disprovable lie, there is no reason to listen to you at all.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">embryos are not humans... maybe focus on the actual humans, the women making these decisions from themselves</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> ...</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">is an egg a chicken? No. Is an acorn a tree? No. </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span></i></div>
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No, you sodding didn't. Preventing the destruction of a tiny human whose existence resulted from sex that happened by CHOICE is nothing like raping someone, and to equivocate them is a gross disrespect to rape victims.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">or you can enrich your own life on a budget break, and still fulfil your philanthropic needs.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i></div>
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It's a counterfactual, she can't know. Most people who feel unready to become mothers end up loving their child. And one might well say that they feel positively about something about which they feel inwardly ashamed or bereaved because they're desperate to convince the world - and themselves - that they're strong. But there is evidence to suggest that abortion negatively impacts womens' mental wellbeing. </div>
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Of course it wasn't my decision, I'm just expressing an opinion, because that's what we all do here. I'd argue that abortion shouldn't be a decision that's available in the first place; a decision was already made, (other than in cases of rape, which are only 1% of abortions) and now, another human's body and life are at stake - and that human gets no say.<br />
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Yup, that's pretty clear from the New Testament. Jesus offers eternal life (to anyone who'll follow Him, BTW, not only those from Christian backgrounds, in case that was unclear), so we'll put up with being mocked, esp. when it's nothing compared to what Christians in countries outside of the West are suffering. But we really, really need to make sure that it's Jesus' teaching and example that we're following, not tribalism leading to lack of compassion for others. If we become hateful, as some who call themselves Christians do, we deserved to be shunned. Jesus needs to be at the forefront of our minds, not political warfare.</div>
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Jesus genuinely did change everything, but most people ignore Him. Why is Vox so keen to write about one Christian when it never writes about Christ? (NB, I mean no disrespect to Rachel HS)</div>
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With all due respect - it is a non-sensical tradition. What do you reckon Jesus and His disciples were wearing during the original communion? Crucial to Christianity is that Jesus is Holy yet chose to be an entirely unglamorous human, and God loves each person immeasurably, not giving a toss about outward beauty. Communion symbolises Christ dying brutally to offer us eternal life - why over look the ultimate offer to focus on makeup and dresses?<br />
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With $38/month, you could sponsor a child, and completely transform their life and future - that's far, far, far more "hope", and fulfillment of hope, for your money.<br />
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It's remarkable how often people mock the entirety of "religion" as a fairytale without looking at the scientific and philosophical arguments for God.<br />
Aside from that, it's pretty vile that people are laughing at the potential for this^ guy to be murdered - and if you think that there is no potential for it, you're very much unaware of the epidemic of persecution of Christians outside of the Western world. Did you not see the crowds of angry men in Pakistan screaming for Asia Bibi to be executed?</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The same Asia Bibi who wasn't executed, was in fact acquitted and is fine and dandy in Canada?</span></span> </i></div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Yes, after spending a decade on death row. My point is that scores of people in Pakistan genuinely wanted to murder her, and they did murder several of the officials who stood up for her. Have you ever read about other Christians who are imprisoned, firebombed and murdered around the world for their faith?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Arguments, whether scientific of philosophical, are not irrefutable evidence to support any religion as fact. You type of thinking is why this man could be killed if he is returned to Pakistan.</span></span> </i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How do you define "irrefutable evidence" exactly? What "irrefutable evidence is there for the things that you do believe? What "irrefutable evidence" should there be for God that is definitively lacking such that you presume Him not to exist? Have you ever examined, for yourself, the scientific and philosophical arguments I'm referring to?<br />What about my "type of thinking is why this man could be killed"? All I've implied is that I believe that God exists - though as my profile makes evident, I also want to emulate Jesus - this^ man is at risk because of people trying to emulate Muhammed, who was entirely different (though, obviously, the majority of people who consider themselves Muslims would never dream of copying Muhammed's violence).</span></span> </div>
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I'm really confused by this story - of course children should lose out because of their parents, and if children become genuinely malnourished it's outrageous - but seriously, what's wrong with sandwiches? I always had sandwiches at school (until I stopped having lunch as a teenager), and would have been grateful for them to have had jam (what you call jelly) in them. I'm seriously upset about the<span class="text_exposed_show"> equally deserving children who are genuinely without food, not only limited in lunch options (or who have only rice to eat, since it's flavourless) - how often is there outcry about their suffering? It's amazing how many starving children we can help with each $ when we give to the world's poorest, yet most people just ignore them.<br />*Seriously, I'm not condoning the school being mean, I just don't understand the hysteria over this</span> </div>
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GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-14753219475837698072019-05-08T19:03:00.000-07:002019-05-08T19:03:04.650-07:00Diarmaid MacCulloch’s ‘A History of Christianity’ — Episode 110 years ago, the BBC aired <em>A History of Christianity</em>, and recently recycled it. More specifically, it’s <em>Diarmaid MacCulloch’s ‘A History of Christianity’</em>;
and the crucial question is to what extent the programmes are an
accurate summary of Christianity, or are primarily MacCulloch’s personal
opinion. Broadly speaking, he addresses and narrates to us with a lack
of nuance; his interpretation is presented as fact, whilst little time
is afforded to Christians to describe their own beliefs and experiences.
But what proportion of viewers will be cognisant of the convolution and
intricacy of history, and that differing historical artefacts, and
differing interpretations of them, render history an inexact science in
which scholars regularly have varying views of what took place?<br />
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It would be preferable for the series to highlight some of the most
consequential differences of opinion among respected historians, and the
evidence supporting statements made, rather than MacCulloch
presumptuously expecting viewers to fully trust his interpretation.<br />
<a href="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Ananias_restoring_the_sight_of_st_paul_%2834663925%29.jpg/220px-Ananias_restoring_the_sight_of_st_paul_%2834663925%29.jpg?resize=238%2C298&ssl=1" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" border="0" class="thumbimage alignleft" data-file-height="1179" data-file-width="943" height="298" src="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Ananias_restoring_the_sight_of_st_paul_%2834663925%29.jpg/220px-Ananias_restoring_the_sight_of_st_paul_%2834663925%29.jpg?resize=238%2C298&ssl=1" width="238" /></a><em>“We’ve all heard something of the Christian story. Jesus, the
wandering Jewish teacher crucified by the Romans. Paul, who had hunted
down Christians until, on the road to Damascus, he experienced a
blinding vision of Jesus Christ, resurrected from the dead. Paul’s
new-found zeal focused on people beyond the Jews, Gentiles. It took him
far from Jerusalem to Rome, and it reshaped not just the faith of Christ
but in the end, all Western civilisation.”</em> Does he truly think
that “we’ve all heard” those points? I suspect, given how unfamiliar
most of Britain is with the Bible, that only a minority know of Saul’s
Damascene conversion. Yet no explanation is offered
— leaving the audience without a significant piece of the rationale for
trusting Christianity. That a zealous antagonist of Christianity,
passionately committed to destroying it, would become its most
influential exponent is too remarkable simply to mention in passing. It
demands an explanation. The New Testament tells us that Saul was
overwhelmed by a supernatural experience of Jesus. We can infer that
MacCulloch rejects that this truly took place, but it is negligent that
he does not mention it as a component of Christians’ rationale for
belief.<br />
<em>“Somehow, the followers of Jesus became convinced that he rose from here to new life,”</em>
MacCulloch declares — failing to offer any further explanation
whatsoever in the entirety of his programme. This is, undoubtedly, the
biggest problem of the whole series. My personal experience is of having
gone from disbelieving to believing in the resurrection through
consuming the work of Christian historians, who expound the case for
concluding that the resurrection was an historical event. Offering
viewers no insight whatsoever into the basis for Christians’ conclusions
regarding the resurrection prevents the audience from comprehending the
mindset behind the movement he spends six hours documenting. It also
demonstrates that he’s not grasped what Christianity is — it is not
merely a cultural institution.<br />
Amidst a montage of evocative images, MacCulloch opines that <em>“The
belief that Jesus can overcome death is the most difficult and
troubling affirmation of the Christian faith. Over twenty centuries it’s
made Christians act in heroic, joyful, beautiful, terrible ways.”</em>
How, exactly, has he concluded that Jesus overcoming death is “difficult
and troubling” — let alone “the most difficult and troubling”?<br />
Why are not the existence of hell; the doctrine that we are each
flawed and sinful; or Jesus’ warning that we will face persecution, more
troubling? Is it legitimate to attribute to belief in Christ overcoming
death the “terrible ways” in which some throughout history have
behaved?<br />
Next, he asserts: <em>“You see, at heart, Christianity is a personality cult,”</em>
which comes across as sheer opinionated denigration. The Gospels tell
us of Christ’s teaching, miracles and mercy, and it is because of the
implications that these have for us that we follow Him; not because we
croon over His charisma. MacCulloch is presenting his interpretation as
fact, whilst withholding from viewers crucial arguments to weigh up so
that they might make their own evaluation.<br />
After a brief wander through diverse chapels surrounding the Holy
Sepulchre — such as the Coptic, Ethiopian Orthodox and Syriac — he
states, <em>“The main character here is not Jesus or the Gospels. It is,
in fact, the Church, the institution of Christian faith that has fought
its way through history.”</em> But he has not called his series “The History of the Church.” How can he justify trivialising Christ in <em>“The History of Christianity”</em>?
This reinforces a fatal misunderstanding that’s ubiquitous in our
culture — “Christianity,” perceived as a single amalgam. But in truth,
Christ is of paramount importance: He surpasses, and is not defined by,
the Church.<br />
Explaining that a Roman siege of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 prompted the first Christians to flee, MacCulloch asks, <em>“Where would Gentile Christians look now?”</em>, and again presuming his audience to be acquainted with the New Testament, he remarks, <em>“You might think obviously west to Rome, because that’s where Paul had gone. But at the time it would not have seemed obvious at all.”</em>
But is this not a false dichotomy? At this point in history, churches
had already been established in the cities to which Paul wrote his
epistles. Why would devastation in Jerusalem terminate them? And why
does MacCulloch ignore them?<br />
<a href="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Ercole_de_Roberti_Destruction_of_Jerusalem_Fighting_Fleeing_Marching_Slaying_Burning_Chemical_reactions_b.jpg/220px-Ercole_de_Roberti_Destruction_of_Jerusalem_Fighting_Fleeing_Marching_Slaying_Burning_Chemical_reactions_b.jpg?resize=220%2C140&ssl=1" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img alt="" border="0" class="thumbimage alignright" data-file-height="637" data-file-width="1000" height="140" src="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Ercole_de_Roberti_Destruction_of_Jerusalem_Fighting_Fleeing_Marching_Slaying_Burning_Chemical_reactions_b.jpg/220px-Ercole_de_Roberti_Destruction_of_Jerusalem_Fighting_Fleeing_Marching_Slaying_Burning_Chemical_reactions_b.jpg?resize=220%2C140&ssl=1" width="220" /></a><em>“What if you take the other road out of Jerusalem, east? —
southeast Turkey. In the first century it was called Edessa… special
because its ruler, King Abgar set an important precedent here… by
adopting Christianity as the kingdom’s official state religion… For the
last 17 centuries, Christianity has been repeatedly linked with the
state. So, in the United Kingdom, the monarch is still supreme governor
of the Church of England… It all started in the ancient Eastern
Christian kingdom of Edessa. And Edessa pioneered… Church music.”</em>
Here MacCulloch appears to perpetrate historical fallacy. In his
eagerness to ascribe aspects of our culture to the East, he’s making an
assertion in which I can’t see the logic. How would the tradition of
monarchy being linked to the Church have arrived in Britain given that
Christianity was not brought here from the East? Have not many
civilisations throughout history joined together rulers and priests? We
know full well that a monarch took over the Church in England to take
power from the Pope, not because he — I mean, of course, Henry VIII —
sought to emulate Edessa.<br />
Church music, also, cannot simply be attributed to Edessa on the
basis that it existed there at an early point. The Bible recounts
singing praise to God, not least by David, whose songs still play out in
our churches. Prior to that, <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+15&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Exodus 15</a> records the Song of Moses and Miriam; and <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+5&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Judges 5</a> the Song of Deborah and Barak. Mary’s song in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A46-55&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Luke 1:46-55</a> is one of the most recited passages of the Bible; and Paul apparently recycles early Christian songs, or fragments thereof, in <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+2%3A6-11&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philippians 2:6-11</a>; <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+3%3A16&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">1 Timothy 3:16</a>; <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians++5%3A14&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ephesians 5:14</a>; <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+1%3A15-20&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Colossians 1:15-20</a>. In his letter to the Emperor Trajan, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Younger" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pliny the Younger</a> (A.D. 61 – <em>c.</em>
113) describes how the first Christians “were in the habit of meeting
on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang an anthem to
Christ as God”<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1">[1]</a>; Church father Clement of Alexandria (c. A.D. 150–215) is also recorded as having written a hymn.<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2">[2]</a><br />
Thus, MacCulloch’s assertion that, <em>“Latin Gregorian chant, Johann Sebastian Bach, even the tambourines and guitars of the Pentecostals: all come from [Edessa],”</em> seems untenable.<br />
He tells us that, <em>“singing would have been the last thing on the minds of Christians in the western half of the Roman Empire,”</em>
owing to the severe persecution by Roman Emperors — but there’s a
curious failure to acknowledge the significance of the first Christians’
persistence in singing in spite of their (often physical) torment. If
Christ’s resurrection was not known to be fact within the society
surrounding the event, would a large following have willingly suffered
martyrdom as they did? But MacCulloch has no intention of considering
points that support the historicity of the resurrection.<br />
<em>“But then something completely unexpected happened in the West. A new Roman Emperor, Constantine, made Christianity his own.”</em>
No mention is made of the accounts of Constantine having been converted
by a revelatory dream. Yet again, MacCulloch evades arguments which
favour of the historical reality of Christianity. Constantine’s move
both to make Christianity an officially sanctioned religion, and to
promote it financially, “brought power and wealth [to Christianity],” we
are told. This is true; but in the absence of discussion of the
reasoning that people had to follow Christ, it makes Christianity sound
like an essentially selfish entity.<br />
<a href="https://i1.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Constantine_and_Helena._Mosaic_in_Saint_Isaac%27s_Cathedral.jpg/200px-Constantine_and_Helena._Mosaic_in_Saint_Isaac%27s_Cathedral.jpg?resize=200%2C315&ssl=1" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="Constantine and Helena. Mosaic in Saint Isaac's Cathedral.jpg" border="0" class="alignleft" data-file-height="550" data-file-width="349" height="315" src="https://i1.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Constantine_and_Helena._Mosaic_in_Saint_Isaac%27s_Cathedral.jpg/200px-Constantine_and_Helena._Mosaic_in_Saint_Isaac%27s_Cathedral.jpg?resize=200%2C315&ssl=1" width="200" /></a><em>“But
in the East, many Christians were unimpressed… Jesus had told people to
abandon wealth, not to ally with the rich and powerful. Remember his
joke about a rich man wanting to enter the kingdom of heaven was like a
camel trying to get through the eye of a needle?”</em> I’m grateful
that, at last, mention is made of Jesus’ words here — the series is
seriously sparse on scripture — though I wonder if MacCulloch might be
overestimating the extent of the public’s Bible literacy. I suspect
that, contrary to the assumption presented by the rhetorical question,
some viewers won’t be familiar with the camel trying to pass through the
eye of a needle. It’s right to chastise prioritising of power over
adherence to Christ’s teaching, but MacCulloch’s distinction between
East and West is grossly oversimplified. Given that those outside of the
Church tend to have generalising presuppositions about Christianity
anyway, I wonder if MacCulloch’s narration here might give some the
impression that all Western Christians were suddenly primarily
interested in power. In reality, each Church will have members with
differing ideas. Furthermore, in presenting Christianity merely as being
East and West, MacCulloch is at this point overlooking the spread of
Christianity into Africa — a place where, in the early centuries of
Christianity, it was in some ways at its most vigorous and lively.<br />
He goes on to summarise divisions of belief, as concepts beyond the
human mind were debated in the young Christendom. MacCulloch admirably
endeavours to explain complex questions — but it’s regrettable that
again, the audience is deprived of Biblical exposition. He explains the
Arian controversy, followed by the Nicene Creed: <em>“It states that God
is equally the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are
three in one. The Trinity. The Emperor must have breathed a sigh of
relief.”</em> Whilst this is true, to present the Trinity primarily as a scheme for imperial unity by the Emperor is unfairly cynical.<br />
MacCulloch next presents the contrasting claims of Nestorius and of
Cyril of Alexandria, creatively employing the visual aids of a glass of
water and oil — which don’t mix — and a glass of water and wine, which
do. Skipping over naming the councils of Constantinople and of Ephesus,
he explains that,<br />
<em>“The Council of Chalcedon met… recognised [Christ] in two
natures, without confusion, without change… without division, without
separation. And that compromise is how the Churches which descend from
the Emperor’s Christianity, the Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox have
understood the mystery of Jesus ever since. But frankly it… left plenty
of people unhappy.”</em><br />
Elucidating that this was the catalyst for schism between East and West, he says, <em>“It was a watershed. Imperial and non-imperial Christianity would never be reconciled.”</em>
He’s not wrong, but again this seems somewhat to be an
oversimplification with overemphasis on imperialism. In a programme
ostenisibly about Christianity, rather than about the Roman Empire,
might it not have been more relevant to have briefly mentioned Augustine
at this point?<br />
He proceeds to describe <em>“a new Eastern church… the Syriac
Orthodox Church… The seminary offers a glimpse of what imperial Western
Christianity might have looked like,”</em> and meets Father Fady, who claims that, <em>“the
liturgy in the East [is] much richer in symbolism. The way people
communicate is not only through words but through gestures,… [through]
his body, voice, or tune.”</em> But might the differences in style
between Western and Eastern Churches today might not be more attributed
to their differing cultural milieux than to Chalcedon? Why endorse the
suggestion that the Eastern Church has a monopoly on symbolism,
gestures, voice and tune? All of these feature in some Western Churches.
In stating that all Western theologians are philosophers, and all
Eastern philosophers are poets or icon drawers, Father Fady presses a
false dichotomy that goes unchallenged.<br />
Father Fady also argues that, <em>“if you want to read the spirituality of the church, you really need Syriac”</em>
— that is to say, a language that is a defining feature of his Church
and is related to Christ’s native tongue of Aramaic. Yet surely, whilst
understanding of Syriac would certainly be an asset, it can hardly be
essential given that the New Testament was not written in Syriac, nor
Aramaic? Only if it could be proven that New Testament manuscripts were
preceded in date and superseded in reliability by Syriac manuscripts
would this claim to superiority be justified. In Acts, disciples are
enabled to communicate God’s message through new languages — so might
not the Holy Spirit have guided the New Testament’s authors to write
God’s word, irrespective of whether that were in the same language which
Christ spoke?<br />
MacCulloch proceeds to recount the threat of <em>“a rival new
militant faith, Islam… [which] brought huge damage to imperial
Christianity. As it travelled west, it wiped out much of the southern
provinces of the old Roman Empire [i.e., North Africa].”</em> However, he then goes on to say that on its Eastern front, Christendom’s experience with Islam was <em>“more of an encounter of civilisations,” in which, “in fact, they did deals with local leaders.”</em>
His description endeavours to portray harmony, but the ‘deal’ to which
he refers, the Pact of Umar, is eerily oppressive; prohibiting the
construction of any new churches, or the rebuilding of those which have
been destroyed; prohibition of disclosing one’s Christianity in public,
trying to convert a Muslim, or trying to prevent a Muslim attempting to
convert others to Islam; banning of Palm Sunday and Easter parades, and
of hanging crosses on churches. The pact also obliged deference toward
Muslims; specific hair styling and attire; and payment of the jizya tax.<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3">[3]</a><br />
<a href="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/La.Vie.de.Mahomet.jpg/170px-La.Vie.de.Mahomet.jpg?resize=170%2C263&ssl=1" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" border="0" class="thumbimage alignright" data-file-height="559" data-file-width="362" height="263" src="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/La.Vie.de.Mahomet.jpg/170px-La.Vie.de.Mahomet.jpg?resize=170%2C263&ssl=1" width="170" /></a>Many historians describe Islam’s barbaric expansion.<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4">[4]</a> Crucially, Muhammad’s words inspired conflict; such as in the <a href="https://muflihun.com/bukhari/2/24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sahih al-Bukhari <em>hadith</em> 2.24</a>, “I have
been ordered by Allah to fight against the people until they testify
that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is
Allah’s [Messenger]… then [will] they save their lives and property
from me.” And in <a href="http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Surah 9:29</a> of the Qur’an: <em>“Fight
those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of
the Book [i.e., Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with
willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”</em> However,
MacCulloch simply mentions this in passing, and pursues in detail only
amiable aspects, claiming that the two faiths aided each other. He
appears to put political correctness before accurate balance. An Imam
with whom he meets suggests that Islam’s custom of praying five times
daily derives from Christianity, though no evidence is offered for this
(and no Bible verses command it).<br />
He gushes praise over his perceived synergy of Islam and Christianity
in Syria and Central Asia — but is his characterisation an accurate
representation?<br />
He continues, <em>“Christianity is at heart a missionary faith.”</em> I feel frustrated by the absence of any of the Bible verses that underscore this truth. <em>“In
the Abbasid Empire, conversion from Islam was forbidden. So the Church
of the Middle East decided to spread to the Far East.”</em> In reality,
conversion from Islam is banned in many Islamic countries even today,
not merely in specific empires. Is MacCulloch again deliberately
concealing the severity of “the religion of peace”? Furthermore, there
are suggestions that Christianity spread far eastwards prior to the
impact of Islam; Arnobius, a Christian apologist who died <em>c.</em>
330 A.D. wrote that, “the deeds can be reckoned up and numbered which
have been done in India, among the Seres [a Roman name for China],
Persians, and Medes… they have… hastened to give up their fathers’ mode
of life, and attach themselves to Christian truth.”<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftn5" name="_ftnref5">[5]</a>
Christianity is also known to have spread to India, potentially as
early as A.D. 52 via the apostle Thomas, from where several monks took
Christianity to China when they traded silk.<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6">[6]</a>
Thus, though the Church did spread East as MacCulloch asserts, it’s
misleading of him to imply that Islam served to help Christianity to
grow. He meets with Martin Palmer, who is slated by <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/6495955/Diarmaid-MacCulloch-on-his-new-series-A-History-of-Christianity.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the review of the programme from the Telegraph</a>,
where the writer says that “warning bells sounded, for me, when he
wheeled out his first expert — veteran multiculturalist Martin Palmer.”
Sadly, he is the first and only expert in this episode — might not the
BBC have included at least a second independent historian to offer their
interpretation of these first centuries of Christian history? Martin
Palmer proudly presents a Buddhist temple, the Daqin Pagoda, which he
excitedly describes having discovered to be a past Christian church. His
conclusion was based on the direction in which the temple was facing,
and the words of an elderly Buddhist nun (presumably through a
translator?), but his theory is disputed.<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7">[7]</a><br />
<a href="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Da_Qin_Pagoda.jpg/200px-Da_Qin_Pagoda.jpg?resize=200%2C267&ssl=1" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img alt="" border="0" class="thumbimage alignleft" data-file-height="1600" data-file-width="1200" height="267" src="https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Da_Qin_Pagoda.jpg/200px-Da_Qin_Pagoda.jpg?resize=200%2C267&ssl=1" width="200" /></a>The
two of them attempt to explore the pagoda, but are prevented from
entering by locals, with whom MacCulloch narrates that he can
sympathise, given Western imposition for centuries. But no mention is
made of the fact that today in China, it’s Christians who are brutally
persecuted.<br />
As he draws his first episode to a close, MacCulloch reflects that <em>“maybe the Christianity we know needs to regain its ancient ability to listen.”</em>
It seems ironic in that, today, the Church is not listened to. He’s
quite right that the Church should listen; but to what extent is he
aware of Churches attempts to do so? Is he conveying the message to
non-Christian viewers that they won’t be listened to if they explore
churches? Is he alluding to churches’ continuity in teachings on issues
such as sexuality, presuming that Christianity ought to prioritise
cultural assimilation over adherence to scripture? The five further
episodes may help us better to understand whether MacCulloch’s drift
away from Christian heritage is attributable to the Church — and perhaps
the public’s drift away also.<br />
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<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1">[1]</a> See <a href="https://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1-300/sing-and-make-melody-to-god-11629579.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1-300/sing-and-make-melody-to-god-11629579.html</a>.</div>
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<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftnref2" name="_ftn2">[2]</a> <a href="http://biblicalworship.com/wqotw/2017/1/11/clement-and-the-earliest-christian-hymn" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://biblicalworship.com/wqotw/2017/1/11/clement-and-the-earliest-christian-hymn</a></div>
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<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftnref3" name="_ftn3">[3]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar</a></div>
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<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftnref4" name="_ftn4">[4]</a> <a href="https://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm</a></div>
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<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftnref5" name="_ftn5">[5]</a> Arnobius, <em>Against the Heathen</em>, 2.12. <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/06312.htm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/06312.htm</a></div>
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<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftnref6" name="_ftn6">[6]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_into_the_Byzantine_Empire" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_into_the_Byzantine_Empire</a></div>
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<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/04/02/thoughts-on-diarmaid-maccullochs-a-history-of-christianity-episode-1/#_ftnref7" name="_ftn7">[7]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daqin_Pagoda" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daqin_Pagoda</a></div>
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The presence of several perverts in a huge organisation is, unfortunately, a statistical likelihood - it doesn't change the fact that money given to <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=7214031395&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARD92DPWjULNkmS81jfVmv7hf0tL75RgqpKy5g_u69JIz6qJArLJGoHtc0XHx8Kn4pHBGr_U9BWYnTGe%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/oxfamGB/?eid=ARD92DPWjULNkmS81jfVmv7hf0tL75RgqpKy5g_u69JIz6qJArLJGoHtc0XHx8Kn4pHBGr_U9BWYnTGe&fref=tag">Oxfam Great Britain</a> does more than almost any other money spent on anything to reduce human suffering.<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">We need to clarify to our secular world that many, many people falsely claim to be Christian - but by definition, Christianity is to follow Christ, and evangelicalism, by definition, is to be desperate to tell others the good news (the evangel). If our world hates Christians ourselves, it doesn't matter, but we need to urge people not to ignore Jesus on the basis of those who aren't living as He commanded.</span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I believe christians are as capable of committing horrible acts as anyone else.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How are you defining Christian?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">In this case? A church-going person who believes in Christ. I don't differentiate between "real" christians and "fake" christians.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why don't you? Why is someone to be considerd a Christian simply because they enter a certain building often? How do you know whether they believe in Christ?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Do you sin? Or have you arrived?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Of course I do. But you said that Christians are "as capable of committing horrible acts as anyone else". In fact being a Christian means genuinely loving and following Jesus, such that you desire to be like Him, and such that you're changed by the Holy Spirit. So although we are far, far from perfect; and we have no right to see ourselves as superior to others, Christians aren't as capable of committing horrible acts.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Unless you can see a person's heart you can't say they are a Christian or not a Christian. Christians still sin, and sometimes we sin big time. Being a Christian doesn't make you perfect.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">As I've said, as Christians we're still far from perfect - but we're not "as capable of horrible acts" once we've begun to desire to emulate Christ, and once we've asked he Holy spirit to fill us. <br />"By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.…" Matthew 7:16<br />"And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:11</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You are not qualified to say someone is a Christian or not based on your judgement of their behavior. Keep in mind too God doesn't judge sin on a sliding scale - a small lie is no different to him than murder or adultery. It's man who grades it. And Christians have been doing horrific things in the name of God for thousands of years.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i> </div>
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So you honestly think that someone in love with Christ, with the Holy Spirit in them, would shoot up a synagogue? Indeed God doesn't judge on a sliding scale, but that doesn't mean that we ourselves are equally capable of doing one thing as doing any thing.<br />
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There are scores of women with no access to any medical help, nor comfortable, clean surroundings, when they give birth - they'd do anything to give birth in a hospital. There are still many deaths in childbirth. Let's worry about those women, Meghan's fine.<br />
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Contrary to atheist rhetoric, faith is not to believe in something for which there's no evidence, it's to trust something about which there cannot be definitive certainty, which is in fact almost everything.<br />
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"Religious" defined how? Human beings do evil things, and claiming that they're fighting for "god" makes them feel nobler about it.<br />
What humans do doesn't, in fact, determine what a "religion" is, and the main "religions" are very, very different from one another. Each person's interpretation of their "religion", as well as the extent to which they actually live by their own wants rather than by <span class="text_exposed_show">the religion they profess to follow, vary endlessly also.<br />Ultimately, this^ reflects an ignorant oversimplification of "religion"; and RT's hatred of theism, though atheist communist regimes, such as those in Russia's history, have killed many times more people than wars fought (usually falsely) in the name of "religion" (NB, I'm not blaming Russian people, nor communists, just to be clear).<br />"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." James <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" href="https://www.facebook.com/grace.hb.dalton/allactivity?privacy_source=activity_log&log_filter=cluster_116#" role="button">1:27</a></span></div>
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Thankyou. There's never enough coverage of crises in the developing world - it's as though our society thinks that impoverished humans are less precious than those are born into wealthy nations like ours, and that underlying attitude infuriates me endlessly. Just being reminded of tragedies like ^this should make us more appreciative of our comfortable homes, about which we forget to be glad. It's thrilling how much difference we can make when we donate to the charities helping those in the greatest need, and incomparably better value for money than things we buy for ourselves.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Perhaps they "can", but that doesn't mean that they should. And what if they allow terrorists jihadists, white supremacists or otherwise - to connect with each other to plot and kill, and to encourage other people to do the same? Do you really think that social media platforms should enable deadly content for the sake of free speech?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">no censorship....that's why it's free speech.</span></span></i><span class="fwb"></span></div>
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Obviously, people should in principle be allowed to say what they want and I'm certainly not OK with some of the censorship that's occurred in recent years, but having the right to free speech doesn't necessarily mean that we have the right to spread that speech worldwide via internet platforms if there's genuine danger because of it. Each case has to be sensibly weighed up when there's a serious likelihood of real world consequences - it's pretty disturbing that you're arguing that free speech is more important than the lives lost in terrorist attacks.<br />
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It's still only 0.7% of our GDP, that's tiny. And it makes many, many times more difference per £ than any other spending; helping people in poverty beyond our imagination (and worse than anyone in the UK); whose poverty is the fault of colonisers and corporations from our country - ie, we're rich because they're poor.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">What evidence do you have of those expenditures? If so, then of course they are very, very wrong - but Aid needs to be improved, not reduced. Huge progress has been made in recent years to prevent spending on unnecessary projects. Unfortunately, all government departments spend on things that they shouldn't (far, far larger amounts than in the Aid department). Most Aid is providing the very most essential things that money can - and more improvements, not stopping Aid.</span></span><br />
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Is it not slightly patronising to claim that a person's decision to end their lives would be determined by a Netflix show?<br />
We spend both seasons wishing that she could somehow not be dead; I've not been suicidal but I really feel that it would more likely to make people think again about the frustrating tragedy of suicide than to think that suicide looks like a good idea.<br />
And as others have said, correlation obviously does not equate to causation - there are numerous trends that could have contributed to the tragic increase in suicides - adults trying to pin it on a programme seems to ignorantly disregard teenagers' struggles.<br />
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He's not actually Christian, as is the case for many who claim to be, since he's evidently not actually following Christ.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hi ! Which brings the question, what is exactly following Jesus Christ ?</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">To endeavour to emulate His example and teachings, because of joy and gratitude that He's offered The Way to heaven.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">To follow Christ is to follow the Law of His Father which explicitly demonises homosexuality, dont be a hypocrite</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">God says that people must not have gay sex - simply being of homosexual orientation is not criticised, and in either case, Jesus would never have condoned the way in which this pastor behaves. When a woman caught in sexual sin was brought to Jesus, He prevented her from being stoned, and told her to go and sin no more, so indeed, He didn't accept sexual sin, but He spoke to her humanely, whereas this pastor is clearly just full of un-Christlike hatred.</span></span> </div>
<i>Oh please I can 100% guarantee you're not a follower of Jesus either because Christian views on LGBT is exactly what Pastor Steven is conveying, hence, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.</i> </div>
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Christian means to follow Christ. I'm not denying Sodom and Gomorrah, but Jesus showed that we should treat others with compassion, never condoning gay sex but always having concern for the people themselves, especially since we are all also sinners in need of forgiveness and help in fleeing sin. </div>
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<i>No true Scotsman fallacy.. many Christians go astray when they take it upon themselves to judge people in God's place yet that does not exclude them from being in the body of Christ. They are repeating what they feel and believe. If they are wrong then that will be revealed, as will all things.</i></div>
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Indeed Christians continually fail to follow Jesus perfectly - but no one who was genuinely trying to could be as abusive as this pastor (I've seen a documentary on him, not only this article). Jesus said, in Luke 6:43, that "No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit." referring to peoples' words, ie, a person's words will reflect what's in their hearts.<br />
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But it's not his fault. It's a hugely complex societal issue, and a mayor could never solve it on their own. If a mayor is responsible, it could just as well be BoJo for holding the position for 2 terms and leaving a mess for <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=275283499191111&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARDKS6QcB8MOXFaPmt47oGxMd8sH4uGiPRRHCDnw519w3VTnQSt9IGpk_8dORlechxuzunzx0ULsQnB_%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/sadiqforlondon/?eid=ARDKS6QcB8MOXFaPmt47oGxMd8sH4uGiPRRHCDnw519w3VTnQSt9IGpk_8dORlechxuzunzx0ULsQnB_&fref=tag">Sadiq Khan</a> to deal with. In fact, the lives of most people who get caught up in or targeted by knife crime are almost entirely independent of things that the mayor can control. It's a complicated tragedy, and BoJo trying to score points by blaming Khan simply makes him look out of touch.</div>
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Vice, it's obviously vital that we have concern about all minorities that are under attack - but these attacks were specifically against Christians, are you really just going to minimise that by not even putting it in the title? Surely if attacks had been against another minority group, you'd have made clear that that group is under attack and demanded our sympathy?<br />
Christians in dozens of countries are continually persecuted (no, I'm not referring to privileged Westerners like myself who are mocked for being Christians, I'm referring to scores of people losing their jobs, having their homes bombed, being imprisoned and attacked) - are you ashamed to admit that because you so resent Christianity?</div>
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S<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">eriously, how do you define history? I mean that, how do you know anything about what happened thousands of years ago? We rely on texts written at the time, and have to consider them in conjunction with other texts and artefacts, as well as examining factors such as how many copies were produced, to determine their credibility.</span></span><br />
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NB numerous Bible verses oppose this^. God wants us not to feel compelled to try to impress with our choice of clothes, and, specifically, to put helping those in need before adorning ourselves.</div>
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The Bible makes it clear that God wants us to help refugees.<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">He also says something about obeying the laws of your nation, being honest, not committing murder, etc. but that doesn't seem to matter to the "immigrants" entering our country illegally or the Democrats who are protecting them at the cost of the American citizens!</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why on Earth are you judging all immigrants by the tiny, tiny, tiny proportion (a smaller proportion than the American public) who commit crime?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">The First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."..Believe what you want, live your life accordingly, but leave others to do the same. No wonder religion (and people's intolerance of that of others) is the cause of most of the wars and misery on this planet. How ironic.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How are you defining "religion"? They're extremely different, and how each individual behaves is up to them; if a person enacts war, they might well claim that they are fighting for God because to claim that makes them feel noble, it doesn't actually mean anything about God. If people genuinely followed Jesus, they wouldn't fight.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I’m not judging anyone. I’m stating facts.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>All they have to do is come in legally and they will be welcome. I lock my doors, how about you</i>?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><br />
I<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">t's a fact that nearly all migrants are innocent, your statement imagines that all are the same as the tiny few who are criminals.<br />Locking one's door is a false analogy. We lock our doors to protect our personal possessions, and other people wanting to break in might well have bad intentions; people trying to get into the country aren't going to take anything, and they don't have bad intentions, they simply want an opportunity to earn and buy a decent home and get away from drug gangs.<br />How, exactly, should they go about applying to come legally? Do you know yourself? How are they supposed to find out if they don't have internet access? What exactly would you do?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I think you would lose if you want to go around quoting Bible verses, there is a lot of war, killing of ALL people, plundering and conquering in the Bible.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The Bible is largely a history book, not an instruction manual all the way through. Jesus's words show us how God actually wants us to act.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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We can feed a starving child for a month for $6 (with <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=109934439031299&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARAVjwuamdh75K5EgjqvLN33Riu_hQDSkA-g4W9XqwZGwKueEygban1Co02Zz3xV_MzteA8n29Dx0Vq7%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/lgfth/?eid=ARAVjwuamdh75K5EgjqvLN33Riu_hQDSkA-g4W9XqwZGwKueEygban1Co02Zz3xV_MzteA8n29Dx0Vq7&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry USA</a>, obvs there are plenty of similar, awesome charities), so why spend extra on organic when you could instead do something far more exciting with the cost difference by buying cheap and donating?</div>
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He is - but simply dismissing him entirely won't help to reduce racism, it only makes his supporters more angry and more likely to act out racism. You can't change a racist's mind or actions by calling them racist, that only makes them more angry and in turn likely to act horribly to others; you need to dialogue to help them see that they're wrong.<br />
Furthermore, Trump appeals to many voters for reasons completely separate from race, and so to lump everything together as racism can ignore nuances and issues (issues apart from race) that need in depth discussion.<br />
Can we prioritise reducing societal conflict over criticising politicians?</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">do you remember what happened last time racists were appeased? You don’t fix racism by ignoring it or giving it a platform, you fix it by treating it as what it is: a cancer in our society and doing whatever is possible to get rid of it.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">What are you referring to by "last time racists were appeased"? I'm not advocating for appeasing them. I'm saying we need to hate racism - simply spouting hatred of Trump only serves to make his supporters less willing to listen.</span></span><br />
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Indeed - but we need to do all we can to make sure that we keep Jesus at the forefront of our minds, and seek to actually follow His teachings and example. It's all too easy to fall into tribalism, prioritising opposition to parts of our culture - our priority must be Christ.</div>
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We need to continually aim to speak what and how Jesus would - hard as that might seem in a debate. He avoided arguing, and frequently asked His adversaries questions in response to their questions so that they might think more deeply than our adversaries do when we reactively snap back at them.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, the Bible says that people should not have gay sex - that's distinct from simply having gay orientation, and either way, the Bible makes it clear that no one should be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</span></span></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yaWM2Rgk-Ac/XNNuri3zg8I/AAAAAAAAAuc/nRLNIDHwtEMtPN5zVvI1p8C0TIwpoRibACLcBGAs/s1600/two-little-black-red-kittens-leaning-each-other-gr_8353-8949.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="417" data-original-width="626" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yaWM2Rgk-Ac/XNNuri3zg8I/AAAAAAAAAuc/nRLNIDHwtEMtPN5zVvI1p8C0TIwpoRibACLcBGAs/s320/two-little-black-red-kittens-leaning-each-other-gr_8353-8949.jpg" width="320" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">being gay or having gay sex is not a sin. Get off the “we all sin” soapbox. You sound just as bigoted as Graham.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">What do you think sin actually is?</span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Sin is to do things - including indulging thoughts - that are opposed to God's guidance. I always find it perplexing that people who've rejected God feel angry when others have the opinion that some of their chosen actions are sin - if you don't believe in/care about God, why be angry about Him not approving of your choices?<br />"BUT God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."Romans 5:8</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The Old Testament only. When Jesus came the Old Testament was effectively replaced with the New. Interesting how evangelicals, in particular, rely on the Old Testament to justify their various bigotries. For example, Jesus never spoke about homosexuality!</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How do you know that Jesus never spoke about it? Only a tiny fraction of everything He said is recorded, the fact that there's no record of Him mentioning it doesn't mean it's OK, esp. that He'd have had no reason to discuss it with an audience who already believed it to be wrong.<br />Acts 15:28-9 "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality." - distinction is made between different themes in Old Testament law; most OT law no longer applies, but we should still avoid pagan customs and prohibitted sex.<br />Of course, Paul also warns against homosexual sex; and when Jesus is asked about divorce, He urges adherence to God's original design for relationships, evidencing the importance of God's plan illustrated in Adam and Eve (whether you think them to have been historical or only illustrative). Jesus addressed food regulations, over turning Levitical laws on food at the same time as warning against sexual immorality, which would, to His audience, clearly included homosexual sex. <br />Try this, for example, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvcresources.net%2Fresource-library%2Farticles%2Fjesus-and-homosexuality%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Xaem9x9Y2R4F8O1E9zwvHYf_GFNqlZhaZ4iBo3kvc4ubXyCvYB0_tQdU&h=AT2yG6lrdW9Rgw0d_8aXoLHZM5MTgkaw5F3J3PlfXlgT8MAfsDvld0jwFSBhNZw46hlXQsc_GZI4nNHSMum8J-c3HRMcMJEb-VMBVicUn5Pfg8drTrLnKB_xNcwOf3p41Ekj" href="https://www.tvcresources.net/resource-library/articles/jesus-and-homosexuality?fbclid=IwAR1Xaem9x9Y2R4F8O1E9zwvHYf_GFNqlZhaZ4iBo3kvc4ubXyCvYB0_tQdU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.tvcresources.net/.../jesus-and-homosexuality</a><br /><span class="whitespace"> </span><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livingout.org%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2GWJgqxcB6jmDarCttEbh3jdUr03QGxAuBJrcUeoKO3cwb8hxi52IVOeg&h=AT3dG4lTKk-XxA5tZrlMghOrJ4-tEEj1JzO_t9_gMbb6oAh6TRT2JzpLK9n74HvUyqDVPWs_3RSOLUJppJmNkFSTAgTUtw3b0dG5XyPYw-mEWBBLor9jWYk1SoDw53jnQYA1" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.livingout.org/</a> is particularly interesting - a site by gay/same sex attracted Christians who can explain their reasons for and experience of being celibate. Here's just one lecture from one of them - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVnVskwil3Z4%26fbclid%3DIwAR2qtN4GbDxxhLUUZodzFp8gCEYbcDoXuxBO0BB-FzWhKHKuB2-u87E0Dts&h=AT0Syynj0K4UvCZB48uEg87FbquTdDZEOsGBvGXyqukSJSHKY0iHhaG_7qSaHKF-zQSSWL4nwrFP4wI8iWi4Vvh9dNK0odranF1D5_AvKz58Bdgh7P9BC6xEbXmFrV2Uhxzl" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVskwil3Z4&fbclid=IwAR2qtN4GbDxxhLUUZodzFp8gCEYbcDoXuxBO0BB-FzWhKHKuB2-u87E0Dts" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVskwil3Z4</a><br />Crucially, Jesus loves, and died for, everyone, and it's tragic that this debate endlessly detracts from more important things; Jesus reduces temptations, and offers something imcomparably better than sex.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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Seriously, I follow <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=131759943686870&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARDwHcu8rPgDg99pol8jUn2C-NLZRDwOraUibfqy_ThXPBTNRt2CtAbEfVTjUdbNNm6ZB4rkw7KzinMV%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/GlblCtznUK/?eid=ARDwHcu8rPgDg99pol8jUn2C-NLZRDwOraUibfqy_ThXPBTNRt2CtAbEfVTjUdbNNm6ZB4rkw7KzinMV&fref=tag">Global Citizen</a> because I'm concerned beyond words about extreme poverty - why on Earth do you presume that we'll all be pleased about this^? A waste of money and space to detract emphasis from womens' personalities and actions, to focus on genitalia instead.<br />
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Indeed - but we should be incomparably more concerned about others being on course to miss out on eternal life.<br />
Though it sucks, discrimination of Christians in the West is nothing compared to the persecution that some Christians elsewhere in the world experience. And the New Testament tells us that it's an honour. But our hearts should be broken for those around us who haven't accepted Christ's offer</div>
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Some of his attitudes are awful - but plaquards in themselves won't help, they'll only make those who are slightly sympathetic of him more angry unwilling to listen to those who are concerned by him.<br />
Large numbers of people gathered together can actually do things that make a practical difference - £thousands could be raised to help refugees, and those living in unimaginable poverty because they were born into the countries that Trump calls s***holes, if those protesting held a fundraising event (music, food, fairground games, bring and buy, skills auction etc).</div>
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I can't understand why people pour their energy into arguing about the gender pay gap and other feminist issues, when there are far, far more serious injustices in the world. I'm not denying that there is mistreatment of women in our society that's inexcusable and should be addressed - but whilst there are still human beings without clean water, food or shelter; or working 12 hours days in sweatshops, plantations and slavery, why do we not spend our time on tackling these issues?</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The bible also commands the stoning of adulterers and those who break the sabbath.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Have you not read that Jesus specifically prevented the stoning of a woman for sexual sin? We follow Jesus (who is God in flesh), not all Old Testament commands are necessarily applicable to all humanity throughout history, they require detailed study.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">so you pick and choose the bits you adhere to? What is your criteria?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, not at all. We have to prioritise what Jesus said, and if there appears to be a conflict between His words and the Old Testament, we look at other words of His, and other words from God, to discern how we should respond. We also have to examine the contexts, and for some passages, relavent literary concepts. Some Old Testament laws were specific to the time and setting in which they were given, just as parents or teachers have certain rules for children in particular scenarios that don't apply to those children forever. Since Jesus is God in flesh, He best demonstrates how we should act, and that He rebuked priests for trying to stone a woman for sexual sin demonstrates that God does not want for that punishment to be enacted now.</span></span><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mJEh0q5aolA/XNNuqyMQD5I/AAAAAAAAAuY/afFyFQf4DGEstcJRWmhI2E0xb6wnkn04ACLcBGAs/s1600/closeup-cats_53876-32445.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="626" data-original-width="626" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mJEh0q5aolA/XNNuqyMQD5I/AAAAAAAAAuY/afFyFQf4DGEstcJRWmhI2E0xb6wnkn04ACLcBGAs/s320/closeup-cats_53876-32445.jpg" width="320" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Of course, if all this happened now Jesus would be diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. Just as well he was around to impress Bronze Age goat herders who were largely illiterate.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Interesting, how have you reached the conclusion that He'd be diagnosed with Schizophrenia?<br />How much have you studied the condition?<br />Which of Jesus' words indicate it?<br />Which of His words do you actually find so objecionable that you want to spend time arguing about Him?<br />And why do you suppose that numerous onlooker would all have been conviced that they'd seen Him risen from death, so much so that they were willing to die to share the message? What are your thoughts on the work of scholars who espouse the resurrection?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If someone today claimed to be the son of god that would be a possible diagnosis. Resurrection at the time was common place. People had very little medical knowledge and so someone appearing to be dead was in fact still alive. </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">the religious are unable to budge from their position. I would budge if offered compelling evidence. If your beliefs are ridiculous you can expect to be ridiculed.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"The religious are"? How do you know? And how are you defining "religious"? Have you, perhaps, observed some aspects of some people who believe in God, and you're now subconsciously presuming that we're all the same? Can you see that that presumption is fallacious?<br />I, for one, don't care if you think me ridiculous - you've actually shyed away from answering Chris's question. So I'll try - why are expending your time on a conversation with Christians who you don't know and who you believe that you can learn nothing from? I know how it feels not to want to let someone else think that they've won an argument by not replying to their last comment; but life's too short, there are much more useful and/or enjoyable things to expend finite free hours on than bickering with strangers. The reason that I too often do keep going with threads like this (and I do, so please be aware that I've seen comments like yours innumerable times) is that I believe that Jesus does actually offer eternal life. I don't feel like I do, in the sense that I can't get my head around it and I'm naturally lacking in emotion and spirituality - but as I looked at both sides of the debate in greater and greater detail, I concluded that the resurrection must have happened. So I waste time in conversations like this desperately hoping that someone reading might look again at the historical arguments and choose to accept Jesus' offer of eternal life. I don't want people to miss out, just because they presumed that the resurrection is a laughable myth and never actually got themselves informed.<br />So, if Jesus would today be diagnosed as mentally ill, what's actually your point? As comical a question as that might seem, think about the logical error here - that Jesus would today be diagnosed as mentally ill doesn't tell us whether or not He actually rose from the dead. Of course, the idea that He dud sounds ridiculous, hence the potential diagnosis today, but in fact we need to examine the arguments around the resurrection themselves. Have you?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">TLDR. </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Please show me evidence for any of your claims and I’ll be happy to change my mind.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">TLWW? Too long, why write? Seriously, if you won't read the paragraph above, what's the point in spending typing out the arguments for Christianity if you won't read what we write?<br />And have you not heard about Google? Apologies for being condescending, but in all seriousness, there are plenty of scholars (published authors with PhDs) who present these arguments far better than I could in lectures and articles online. Why would you not at least start by perusing some of those? Obviously, there's plenty on the internet, by Christians, fake Christians and others, that's utterly naff, but there are plenty of resources that you're evidently ignoring.</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">faith which has been responsible for untold suffering over the millennia. <br /><i>I’m an atheist and yet I manage to be kind, compassionate, empathetic and humane. In fact so do the vast majority of atheists. They account for less then 1% of the prison population. The religious zealots of the world are considerably less humanitarian.</i></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> I’m sorry you can’t cope with a little robust dialogue. It doesn’t define me! Grow up and understand that feelings sometimes get hurt.</span></span></i><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-APZInA2ypOo/XNNuqis39pI/AAAAAAAAAuQ/nhpo7iARq88nvJMC7fiWeAkSIpxf2uiIQCLcBGAs/s1600/curious-kitty_19-138141.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="213" data-original-width="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-APZInA2ypOo/XNNuqis39pI/AAAAAAAAAuQ/nhpo7iARq88nvJMC7fiWeAkSIpxf2uiIQCLcBGAs/s1600/curious-kitty_19-138141.jpg" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Since you've been talking about evidence, so I'm compelled to ask, what evidence do we have that you "manage to be kind, compassionate, empathetic and humane"? Your attitude in this conversation doesn't suggest much kindness. I'm teasing, slightly, I'm really not having my "feelings hurt" - but my point is that you're expecting us to simply believe something for which we have no evidence, whilst you mock us for another belief that you presume, without investigating, to be without evidence.</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How have you reached the conclusion that our faith has "been responsible for untold suffering over the millennia"? We have nothing to do with individuals who've enacted the violence to which you refer. We follow Jesus - even if they did, it would be a fallacy to attribute all of their actions to their following Christ, but in fact their actions (violence) demonstrate that they aren't following Christ, regardless of what they say. Anyone can call themselves anything, it doesn't mean that they are that thing, it certainly, certainly doesn't define what that thing (to follow Christ) actually is. Atheist regimes have in fact killed many times more people than so-called religious wars - because human beings can be evil, and it's perfectly understandable that some people who enact evil would claim to be serving God, because it might make them seem (to their contemporaries) or feel more noble.<br />Why make a decision about Jesus Himself, why let your response to Him by determined by other people?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Here's a starting point in explaining the rationale for our conclusions (and there's far more on the site that's worth looking at) <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Ffinetuning%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR24fohuN2Qe054kKjV1z0eI6L12aULkQlTgSaB7uZI9RP9B2YGVqC0mo64&h=AT3Xu-OMnBVhhC_sLz02MHHbeoqJQq6vAb6dfLEs-ScV76l5IqnfACpZ4HrD0AT3zrHaofUQZLk5Ki2jk3vVS6EtC3T6KW0k3Ld-5wghwmv-BUopTGM18sH37Lz1WgcKu5KR" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning</a></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">untold suffering - how about the holocaust? Hitler said he was doing 'the lord's work' (quote from mein kampf). Atheist regimes have also done similar - Stalinist Russia for instance but crucially, not in the name of atheism. What about the child abuse perpetrated and condoned by the catholic church?<br />Why would I make a decision about Jesus when there's no evidence to suggest that he existed, let alone that he was divine. [links to video of Hemant M. trying to rebut fine tuning with the pudd;e analogy]</span></span></i><br />
A<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">pologies that this sounds argumentative, but which part of what I've said did you not understand? (seriously, I'm not feeling or intending to be condescending) Firstly, Hitler could (in the sense of being able to, not in the sense that I don't mind write whatever he wanted, that doesn't mean that he actually was doing the Lord's work; and it really, really doesn't mean that God is at all OK with what Hitler ws doing. Can you see not the logical error you're making? I could claim to be a supporter of you, should you then be judged by my actions? Secondly, what is the point of this conversation? I've explained why I'm here - and this is my page - but why are you? I don't mean that in a hostile sense, I'm genuinely curious. You asked about why we believe in God, I shared a hyperlink as instructed and instead of actually responding to it (which I wasn't asking you to do, we should have just ended the conversation there) you've simply shared a link to a pop-Youtuber. Did you actually watch the clip that I shared, or just look at "Fine tuning" and presume that your linked clip overrules it? Because you've not actually responded to the clip I shared itself - what do YOU actually think? I mean that, why not address the clip yourself, at least a little?<br />Since you haven't, I'm not sure why I should bother responding to the clip you shared. But still, the argument that Helmant makes, which I am of course familiar with, is essentially ignorance of science. How do you suppose that serious scientists who research professionally would respond to entire universe being compared to a hole? An analogy doesn't necessarily prove what you want it to - the universe is not a hole in the ground, and that actually matters.<br />The universe is a mind bogglingly complex system of energy and matter, and our existence relies on numerous parameters beings precisely correct - to argue, as he does, that if something were slightly different about the universe, life might have developed differently, is to ignore the complexities of countless physical and biological systems. If something is altered, it has consequences for other things, and a functioning system of living organisms could not exist. If the molecules in a mass of water position themselves differently, it impacts nothing. And it would not happen anyway, it's nonsense.<br />The molecules of water would not sit as they actually do were it not for the parameters that the fine tuning argument originally discusses. They position themselves as they do because of physical and chemical laws within the universe, whilst the fine tuning argument is highlighting supposedly happenstance factors of the universe bringing about those laws, having been brought about by, in your view, nothing at all. But I'm not explaining this well, there are plenty of other people who have addressed the puddle analogy, for example, https://crossexamined.org/mistaken-objections-seek.../</span></span></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Anyhoo, biology is far more interesting than physics. I can't get my head around the idea of God, but I started to feel that God might actually exist whilst studying biology. Try this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gsa58Rm8Sk</span></span></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">My issue is not with god or Jesus because they don’t exist. My issue is with people who do bad things in their name. That is the fault of religion.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
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<br /></td><td class="_51m- vTop _5ep6"><a data-ploi="https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56942536_2206584102771326_4074436144282992640_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=db962261c1257a2c92d8433f780852fb&oe=5D6924CE" data-plsi="https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57218014_2206584099437993_7290766431602343936_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=13f7a17f6b1f27824c18220174cb398d&oe=5D6E613A" href="https://www.facebook.com/unitedhumanists/photos/a.358715847558170/2206584092771327/?type=3" rel="theater"></a>But how do you define religion? I don't care what you think about religion, I was never arguing for religion, I argue for Jesus. You observed what I'd written, which in this case was specifically about how helping humans in need is more important than religious buildings, and decided to argue about Hitler. Where's the logic there? Evidently, though you say that you don't have an issue with God, clearly you deem the actions of human beings as part of your reasoning for not being open to finding out about Him. And whether or not you believe God to exist, it's still illogical to base your understanding of Him on the actions of people who claim to follow Him and then do the opposite of what He commands.<br />
If a bunch of thugs in Loch Ness monster merchandise mugged me, I wouldn't think of the Loch Ness monster as associated with violence, attributing a negative value to the concept of the fictional Loch Ness monster, because the Loch Ness monster hasn't actually supported mugging. if there were many historical documents about the Loch Ness monster, and they repeatedly stated that Nessie had spoken against mugging, I'd be even more amused if the muggers claimed to be her followers.<br />
<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jcF2ITkl2xU/XNNuq4iOQjI/AAAAAAAAAuU/RZ2kVBHrGI8X1WMZ7Ac0M98Yib9KJM25wCLcBGAs/s1600/dog-1027549_960_720.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="960" height="213" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jcF2ITkl2xU/XNNuq4iOQjI/AAAAAAAAAuU/RZ2kVBHrGI8X1WMZ7Ac0M98Yib9KJM25wCLcBGAs/s320/dog-1027549_960_720.jpg" width="320" /></a>If Harry Potter fans mug me, I won't think that Harry Potter is an evil character, only the words or actions of Hary Potter in the original texts about him would lead me to think of him as an unkind/violent character. And because I believe that he, and the Loch Ness monster, do not exist, I would waste time arguing about them with some of their other fans.<br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You criticise the use of analogy and then use 2 yourself!</span></span><br />
Yuh, did you actually read what I wrote? I didn't say that we shouldn't use analogies, I said that analogies don't necessarily work. Besides, the analogies that I made were superfluous, I'd already written my point, which you've still not replied to, whereas you've not written anything, you've only shard a video clip that relies on a flawed analogy.<br />
What do you yourself actually think of the video I posted in the first place? What do you think of the lecture?<br />
Why are still wasting time here? I genuinely care about you as a human being, I don't want to have conversations that become so bitter.<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The analogy is sound because it recontextualises the nature of the universe and our place in it. It encourages to see things from a less egocentric point of view. I don't really have time to watch a 90 minute video but I'll say this: our inability to understand existence is not proof of the divine.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">But you've overlooked my criticism of the puddle analogy. His presumption of an egocentric view is unfounded, and inaccurate for some of us, and you've simply restated his presumption, which I didn't even mention in my naff attempt at a rebuttal, rather than addressing the rebuttal itself, and you've still not commented on the original fine tuning clip. Have you actually watched it? Did you try the article about Mistaken Objections to it? <br />When did I say that our inability to understand existence IS proof of the divine? Are you not treating our inability to understand God as proof of atheism?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I did watch the video - rather than typing out a protracted response and simply replied with a video which does it for me. Richard Dawkins also does this in more depth in The god delusion. <br />The point that theists usually get to is to say that because we can't explain the origin of life god must have done it. I assume that's where the video was going.<br />Atheism needs no proof - it is just a lack of belief in god.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">You assume that's where the video was going? So you didn't watch it? <br />Have you read any of the critiques of The God Delusion? There have been many publications on its logical errors.<br />Agnosticism is the term for simply not believing in God - atheism is to believe that God does not exist, even though none of us has experienced enough of the universe to have any certainty that it's not simply the case that our experience if Him, so far, is what's lacking, rather than His existence (ie, how do you know that there's not a God somewhere that you've simply not encountered yet?). And atheism entails belief that the universe came about of its own intuition, and that everything within it, and within the biological world, as well as the existence of consciousness, came about entirely by chance. I couldn't continue to believe that as I learnt more about the complexity and interdependence of planetary and biological systems (esp. at the molecular level).</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Once again, nothing you’ve said constitutes proof of the supernatural.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How would you define proof of the supernatural? God is not comprised of the matter and energy of which the universe is comprised, so we cannot have "proof" of Him in the sense you seem to demand it. We can deduce His existence from the impossibility of the universe and biological world having come about by chance, and countless experiences of Him by people seeking Jesus add weight to the argument.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">So if you use god to explain the universe you’re left with the bigger problem of having to explain the existence of god!</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">W</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">hy? The universe demonstrates design, indicating a designer, the designer Himself was not created. And seriously, why are we still wasting time on this? I'm afraid I'm verging on terminating this thread, not at all because I want to seem bitter, but simply because this is terrible waste of time, particularly since you're still ignoring most of what I write. You've not actually addressed the Fine Tuning clip yourself; nor my response to the puddle analogy; nor the article on objections to fine tunig; nor lecture on biochemistry; nor the explanation as to why disregard of Jesus in any part on account of human violence is fallacious; northe questions about whether you've bothered to look at the arguments for Christianity, or rebuttals to Dawkins, yourself. Obviously, one doesn't need to respond to everything in a debate, but I can't help but feel that I should terminate this now and get on with other things.<br />God bless</span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Can Bob fly his cock into outer space or not? Please note that using his cock has different implications.</span></span> </i><br />
I<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">f Bob is an astronaut and is still attached to it, then yes, he probably can; if not, then he probably can't There's no evidence that God is bothered either way.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Well, the "creator of the universe" has apparently taken a stand on the matter, including stoning to death women who have sex without being married and condemning to death those who masturbate. And if "most people who believe in God are also interested in science" I wonder how they respond to scientific indications that their God is a myth.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">here does God say that masturbating condemns people to death?<br />Are you unfamiliar with the account of Jesus preventing a woman being stoned to death for sexual sin? What exactly are the "scientific indications that God is a myth"?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">they might be interested in science but studies show that they lack the ability to differentiate fact from fiction because they were brought up listening to bullshit stories (Noah, Jesus, Talking donkeys, Nephilim, shekels in fish, to name a few). Not being able to differentiate fact from fiction is why we have anti-vax, flat earthers, anti-5gers, anti-nuclear folks, again the list goes on. If they really understood science, they would reject all fiction except as entertainment. </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I don't think it's that simple - here in the UK, I know many Christians, but none are anti-vaxxers or flat-earthers; the 2 anti-vaxxers I do know aren't Christians. Obviously that's anecdotal, but I think that there's a cultural component that you're overlooking in your seeming presumption of corelation-causation. And no one should be a Christian simply because of their upbringing (nor should they be an atheist simply because of their upbringing) - we each need to look at arguments on both sides of the debate to reach our own conclusions.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Wow, Grace. This is much more than can be covered in a Facebook post. There are volumes of science books that cover these issues. I suggest that you might read some of them. As far as masturbation goes, the Bible nowhere explicitly states that masturbation is a sin, but there is no question that the actions that usually lead to masturbation are sinful. Masturbation is nearly always the result of lustful thoughts, inappropriate sexual stimulation, and/or pornography. The Old Testament condemns women who have sex without marriage or who are not virgins when they marry. I know that modern Christians tend to brush aside the Old Testament pointing to the New Testament as the final word of God. But why would God, in his holy book, proclaim all of this stuff and then, in the New Testament, proclaim different things? What did he do? Change his mind? And science, if you step back for a moment from religious doctrine and study it with an open mind, is in direct conflict with the majority of things presented in the Bible. You said, in your initial post, that God, "if he exists" will better understand optimal choices regarding genitalia than our hormone controlled brains. OK, if God exists, did he not create our "hormone controlled brains?" And did he not also create psychopaths, mental illness, The Holocaust, kids with cancer, and all of the evil that exists within the world? I realize that I'm not going to convince you to abandon your religious beliefs. Just as you are not going to persuade me to abandon my belief in science and evidence. But I would encourage you to take a step back from your religious doctrine, (if you are confident in your beliefs then this will not be intimidating) and explore the science and the evidence that explains our universe. As a former Christian, churchgoer, choir member, a church deacon, and church governing board member, it was careful, and unbiased study of the Bible and religion that finally led me to my current Atheistic views. We could debate this forever, and I am going to choose not to. I will just end by encouraging you to peruse some actual science, and casting a critical eye on everything that you have thus far been indoctrinated to believe.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">On what basis do you presume that I'm indoctrinated exactly?<br />Indeed, this is all too much for one ror Facebook post, and I need to get on with work, but I need to comment at least that the New Testament does indeed overrule the OT on laws such as that mentioned, not because God "changed His mind", but because specific rules were given in the OT as needed for that time and setting. That's perfectly reasonable - the army, for example, migt enforce different rules on its troops when they're overseas from when they'training in barracks near home; parents will give different rules to their kids at different points in their lives, etc. Jesus in God in flesh, therefore His teachings are our primary source of guidance - inc. not stoning people for sexual sin.<br />And yes God created our brains; but if He exists, there may counteractive forces (Satan) as well as our own freewill contributing to our doing things the are opposed to His design. Asking Him for strength to overcome temptation leads to a depth of relationship wirh Him and of joy that are greater than simply being robots would be.<br />I do peruse actual science, I'm studying for degree in biomedical sciences and read more science besides because it interests me, but I know that I need to keep digging deeper.<br />I need to stop this, but anyhoo, thankyou for being far more polite than most people who criticise me. Have a nice week </span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><br /></span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">None of the atheists I know were brought up atheist... but they might have been brought up secular. Since atheist is one specific belief (no - god) it can’t be a form of upbringing... Also I think you’re having trouble understanding why I mentioned anti vax/flat earthers. They are extreme examples of people rejecting science. </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Yikes, no I didn't "hear “correlation doesn’t mean causation” one time and run with it". Why, epecially after I've highlighted that our cultural settings are different, are you so presumptuous about me? Also, obviously, it's a logical fallacy to suggest that the gullibility of some people brought up in Christian households means that God does not exist.</span></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">And RE "condemning homosexuals to death", Jesus, God in flesh and thus our ultimate guide, specifically prevented someone from being executed for their sexual sin. Obviously, the Bible also commands us against genocide, murder and depravity, and humanity tends to engage in those without the influence of Christianity - our society would be far, far more barbaric than it is had it not been influenced by Christianity.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How do you define "immoral" if we're all merely amalgamations of atoms?</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Asking "Name some "evidence" of your God that isn't also "evidence" of any other God past or present" seems odd - there's evidence suggesting that there is a creator, that's the fundamental point. <br />However, more specifically, Yaweh demonstrated Himself through prophecies and miracles, but most importantly, through Jesus' resurrection (which, obviously, needs more investigation than this thread allows - I recommend Who Moved The Stone).</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm well aware that Christmas and Easter traditions include traditions of pagan festivals because of the time of year at which each takes place, that doesn't in any way disprove the events (Jesus' birth and death), and it's a complete non sequitter.<br />Which part ofthe concept I outlined is so dfficult for you? That the Old Testament is primarily a record of history, and requires detailed contextual examination; and it's Jesus who tells us how to live?<br />How do you know that "there's no evidence"? Your comments make clear that you've not actually looked. (ie, if you had investigated and simply disagreed, you wouldn't be arguing so bluntly).<br />Seriously, what is the point in this conversation? Why are you wasting time arguing when you're only telling me I'm wrong with no reasoning or addressing what I've actually written? I could answer your pointsin more detail, but I really have better things to do than this, I'm sorry that you don't. <br />Have a nice night, seriously.</span></span><br />
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ow, you honestly think I spend time on my knees in front of statues? You really don't understand Christianity at all, do you? For the record, "burnings, hangings" etc, were not genuine Christianity, they were examples of people claiming to be Christian as an attempt to appear noble whilst they acted on their human blood lust - they weren't following Christ.<br />Do you really not have anything better to do than this? Part of me feels compelled to respond, because I believe that this topic actually matters, but since you just believe that I'm deluded, why are you spending time arguing with me when you could do something more useful and or enjoyable?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">It's no accident that religions are called 'faiths'. Faith is a belief in a supposition even without valid evidence. If you are happy in your faith and it gives you some kind of comfort then that's good for you. Be content that there are many others who do not buy into the myths. They are equally happy in their beliefs. Morality, empathy and the ability to live a good and productive life in society has Nothing, nil, nada, zilch to do with religion.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">No, faith is believing in something of which you can't be conclusively certain, usually because there's no way in which it could ever be perfectly, indisputably proven. It applies to almost everything. For example, we have faith that we can trust certain people. We have have faith in our own brains' abilities. Atheists have faith that there is no God - and, by implication, they also have faith that the universe, the biological world (despite its extreme complexity and interdependence) and conciousness came into existence on its own.<br />You have faith that our society would have the values of concern for others that it has if Christianity had never been part of it, despite that fact that other civilisations were barbaric, especially by comparison to Jesus' commands.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">There is no god</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How exactly do you "know"? What do you think of the academic arguments for His existence?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">whose existence?</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">S</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hould I take that as a no? You know that I mean God's existence.<br />You are, of course, entitled to comment, but what's the point in arguing with other peoples' comments, especially if you don't care enough about the issue to look at the arguments?</span></span><br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lQi7L0duqcE/XNNvFWnJuWI/AAAAAAAAAuw/GowO_sNasGkiK7Oxw4xS1ryL2rF4uvSfQCLcBGAs/s1600/Get%2BFree%2BStock%2BPhotos%2Bof%2BGinger%2BOnline%2B%2B%2BDownload%2BLatest%2BFree%2BImages%2Band%2BFree%2BIllustrations.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="312" data-original-width="353" height="282" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lQi7L0duqcE/XNNvFWnJuWI/AAAAAAAAAuw/GowO_sNasGkiK7Oxw4xS1ryL2rF4uvSfQCLcBGAs/s320/Get%2BFree%2BStock%2BPhotos%2Bof%2BGinger%2BOnline%2B%2B%2BDownload%2BLatest%2BFree%2BImages%2Band%2BFree%2BIllustrations.png" width="320" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">you're mentioning god, but not telling me which one. Surely you know there are hundreds, if not thousands. There are thousands of religions and no one can prove the existence of a god or gods. I was raised as a christian and spent the majority of my adult life as one as well. I can tell you the god of the bible is an misogynistic, patriarchal, abortionist, who codified slavery and rape. It's right there in the bible and anyone who ignores it is cherrypicking.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The God who created the universe.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Created the universe 6,000 years ago?</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">It's not cherrypicking to study the Bible instead of grabbing verses out of context as you're doing. (Or perhaps you've grabbed them off one of the websites where angry atheists try reassure each other). Do you want to go through all of the verses to which you're referring, or will I just be wasting my time? It's 5am and I think I ought to finally get some sleep, I get the impression that you aren't willing to consider opinions you don't like anyway. G</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">oodness, do you honestly think that the Bible tells us that universe is 6000 years old? That's called Young Earth Creationism, and a very small minority view among Christians because it's not in the Bible at all. I think you may have somehow been led into a rather inaccurate understanding of Christianity....</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Bible was written/redacted by Peter who kinda created money-property- pedophils system of Catholic church. But now it's about historical building not some mythical creature.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
T<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">he fact that perverts have falsely called themselves Christians and opportunistically used the institution if the Church to do evil doesn't change the facts of what happened and was recorded by Jesus' witnesses.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">if your Jesus is so f great, why he's such a looser?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">He took our sin upon Himself, thus He was brutally killed.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You see problem with your Jesus that he knew he will be resurrected on Third day, so he goes with his plan of public exhibitionism without really loosing anything.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Without losing anyting? The point wasn't simply that His life would end, the point was that He experienced the unfathomable torture of all of humanity's sin being poured upon Himself, as well as the torment living His life knowing that would happen</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I don't even know where to begin but the, "god made the world & everything in it, is the Lord of Heaven & Earth & does not live in temples made by human hands",... that comment contradicts itself for a start, if god "made the world & everything in it" then HE made the hands that made the temples he won't live in because apparently he was very outdoorsy and if he is powerful enough to do all that crap it says he did in the buybull, because lets be honest that was some impressive power he had, then surely he was powerful enough to stop these lavish buildings from being built in the first place, no fires needed, no wrath, no firefighters lives being put at risk etc and most importantly he would have been powerful enough to stop the abuse & rape of countless children around the globe that suffered at the hands of the men & women that supposedly used jesus as an excuse to do evil. If the jesus of the bible is so almighty where is he when bad things happen</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">So what if "he was powerful enough to stop these lavish buildings from being built in the first place"? He often leaves human beings to do as they choose, because He's given us free will. This lifetime is momentary compared to the eternity we'll spend with Him if we choose, during which there'll be no desire to build temples and no suffering.<br />God uses suffering for good if we let Him, though I know that sounds dismissive and I don't mean it to. <br />Since God knows what's going on in other peoples' minds, and will go on in the future, He may well have reasons for things that we don't (yet) know about, just as parent might not always do what their toddler wants because they know better than their toddler does as to what's best for them (for all of us, the gap between our knowledge and God's is even greater than that between a toddler and their parent).<br />Personally, I only became a Christian because I was forced (by teachers and doctors) to stay home from school when I had anorexia, and the illness has kept me at home much of the time since - being at home, I ended up using time to examine the case made by academics who believe in God and in Jesus' resurrection. Had I never had anorexia, I might have a decent career, but I wouldn't feel fulfilled in the way that I do knowing God.<br />There are countless examples of people who've had far more serious struggles than me, and are in fact full of joy in their relationships with God. Have you checked out Nick Vujicic?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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I can't understand why people pour their energy into arguing about the gender pay gap and other feminist issues, when there are far, far more serious injustices in the world. I'm not denying that there is mistreatment of women in our society that's inexcusable and should be addressed - but whilst there are still human beings without clean water, food or shelter; or working 12 hours days in sweatshops, plantations and slavery, why do we not spend our time on tackling these issues?</div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>Religion has killed more people than anything....anything in this world</i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Contrary to various commets here, this has nothing to do with religion. The IRA are fighting about nationalism.</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Idkthis...I don't know much at all. But what I do know is that a lot of shit don't make sense... Religion</span></span></i></span><i><span class="fwb"> </span></i><span class="fwb"></span>There a 2 issues here - the situation in Ireland, and "religion". The situation in Ireland today is about nationalism, tribal identity, ans anger about the past. "Religion" is an overly broad term that everyone uses in different ways. It's a bit like hating politics, and blaming politics for everything: religion, like politics, includes completely opposing ideas and entirely differing practices, s<span class="text_exposed_show">o it's not logical to simply lump it all together.</span><br />
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<span class="text_exposed_show"> Many people, throughout history, have believed that they can use religion to earn their way to paradise, and/or have used it to try to feel pride or to appear noble in the eyes of others. Jesus spent much of His time pointing out that this was mistaken. The people who've acted in violent ways, even if they've claimed to be Christian, have by definition not been following Christ, who repeatedly commanded us to be peaceful. And He taught that He makes The Way to paradise available - to EVERYONE - we don't earn it. The Bible also says that true religion is to help the poor.</span><br />
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But how can you know when you've not been in any other skin/family? I realise that I'm privileged and have no right to dismiss another person's experience, which I'm not, I simply suspect that trying to compete (ie. "EVEN harder") is unhelpful, and that those darker skin might in fact experience more racism<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Indeed - but we who are privileged enough to be relatively safe mustn't appear to have developed a victim mentality (ie, a victim mentality is clearly what many non Christians, particularly across the pond, where content is created that feeds my generation and the next, believe we have). The persecution in some less developed countries is unfathomable - yet I've seen laughter at articles in the last week about Christian persecution, in part because non Christians are unaware of the violence, but also because Western Christians sometimes moan slightly too much. <br />Because we know that Christ offers each human eternal life, we must feel primarily concerned about our neighbours ignoring Him and missing out, incomparably more than (being concerned about) being personally insulted.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Genocide has been used as a weapon of war by Christians for centuries. What they sow they now shall reap, it appears</span></span></i></div>
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Someone who enacts genocide is by definition not Christian, regardless of what they call themselves. Christian means little Christ, that is to emulate Him, because you are so grateful to Him that you in fact desire to live as He taught us to.<br />
Anyone can call themselves anything, it doesn't mean that they are that thing, it certainly, certainly doesn't define what that thing (to follo<span class="text_exposed_show">w Christ) actually is. Atheist regimes have in fact killed many times more people than so-called religious wars - because human beings can be evil, and it's perfectly understandable that some people who enact evil would claim to be serving God, because it might make them seem (to their contemporaries) or feel more noble.<br />And what do you think that the people in Sri Lanka have to with the violence to which you're referring? If a murderer has a favourite football team, should that team be judged because of the murderer's actions - and would it be "reaping what was sown" if some one went a killed innocent people who happen to support the same team?</span></div>
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The far right are deluded in thinking that they're Christian, because the actual definition of Christian is "little Christ", ie, to emulate Him, and the far right ignore His commands and example by not trying to love their neighbours.<br />
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No, I'm really not. And I still don't get why anyone believes any of this.<br />
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Don't define "Evangelical", nor "Christian" by the people who claim those labels. Anyone can call themselves anything, and they will if it makes them feel noble - then many non-Christians avoid Christianity, or evangelical Churches, because of the actions of people who don't fit those terms at all, rather than considering whether they want to find out about Christ.<br />
Christian, by definition, means "little Christ" - ie, to emulate Him; Evangelical, by definition, means to desire to tell others the Good News (that Christ offers everyone forgiveness and eternal life). Don't let hypocrites deter you from investigating Jesus.<br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">81% of evangelicals voted for Trump. He embodies their message of white nationalism.</span></span></i> </div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dzpvCwzMSns/XNNvFa_t31I/AAAAAAAAAu0/k1FomY0onGwqT1gPFLRwROYwY_kvamPFQCLcBGAs/s1600/little-red-dog-lying-white-background_1088-1017.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="417" data-original-width="626" height="213" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dzpvCwzMSns/XNNvFa_t31I/AAAAAAAAAu0/k1FomY0onGwqT1gPFLRwROYwY_kvamPFQCLcBGAs/s320/little-red-dog-lying-white-background_1088-1017.jpg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm well familiar with the 81% figure - but white nationalism is antithetical to the Gospel. From what I've seen, many evangelicals who voted for Trump did so because they couldn't bear to vote for Clinton given her support for late term abortion. Perhaps you're OK with late term abortion, but in the minds of many, it demonstrates real evil that they felt compelled to vote against. I saw many evangelical ministers around the election, and since, condemning some of Trump's attitudes, but for many people, the notion of voting for a president who supports the option to kill premature babies was out of the question. I'm not saying that it was right to vote for Trump, only that it shouldn't be presumed that white nationalism was the driving factor for a majority of voters.<br />Crucially, as I said, what a person calls themselves is relatively insignificant - what matters is what Christ said and did.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Yeah, abortion is what evangelicals hide behind to try to appear moral. But when you look at abortion statistics, those most evangelical states are having them just as often. Meanwhile they're fine with putting brown children in cages.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Y</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ou're still ignoring my point - anyone can call themselves evangelical, but if they genuinely don't care about children in cages, they evidently don't have God in their hearts. How have you concluded that evangelicals are "hiding behind" the issue of abortion? Why presume that we people aren't actually concerned about things like this? <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebridgehead.ca%2F2019%2F04%2F18%2Fthis-photo-of-a-beautiful-baby-killed-by-abortion-stopped-me-in-my-tracks-you-should-see-it-too%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1T4jtdCSF3U0XiEmKbpiI7NCUrn33YSLwfqB5AOkazZ6ZUGKle1kF7_Io&h=AT08EjFeACLcVLOWTWC6rWuds8AMqLxOTRMTqfuTtunmhrLjj_xVvEaYbzEn8HXQHeLCdrl06mB9OD5KEDcSdoo03ngBAgz4FhWxnkjiB0JyJIcpbcGkbAOX9wi3dOfN94WW" href="https://thebridgehead.ca/2019/04/18/this-photo-of-a-beautiful-baby-killed-by-abortion-stopped-me-in-my-tracks-you-should-see-it-too/?fbclid=IwAR1T4jtdCSF3U0XiEmKbpiI7NCUrn33YSLwfqB5AOkazZ6ZUGKle1kF7_Io" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://thebridgehead.ca/.../this-photo-of-a.../...</a><br />Keep in mind also that each person who calls themselves an evangelical is an individual - if 2 people call themselves evangelicals, and one has an abortion, it doesn't mean that the other is a hypocrite. Rather, the first may be calling themselves an evangelical because it's just a comfortable label that they grew up with,the other might be genuinely distressed by what they perceive as murder.<br />As Nancy Sky rightly said, Jesus died to offer each person, regardless of background, eternal life - that sounds like nonsense before one's investigated the academic case for the historical events in question, but it's worth fiding out about, rather than expending so much time as we all do arguing about politics. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0sIs1xPeG-uOLBgWKGVvSDhBvYKXWJK0IjaVFcoEnm1-U-N8daGyZBx3U&h=AT0xq-BAkylUY0yEMjKXZvrvtl9kzv1Y9xpUbCKlLNKaKbasAFUBo6QN4uiIGJFfvBWsmEvsm4Zgh_z85iqTIT1LUSIg8acATmv3FKIKdvtNEUdwpiaaeA7J_BMS_YRiAx3c" href="https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection?fbclid=IwAR0sIs1xPeG-uOLBgWKGVvSDhBvYKXWJK0IjaVFcoEnm1-U-N8daGyZBx3U" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection</a><br />Whatever you think of people who callthemselves Christians, know always that Jesus taught that the most important thing after loving God is to love others.</span></span><br />
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Buildings don't need tributes. Today is a day of remembering that Christ willingly died in our place, and the extent of the deification of the cathedral that's been demonstrated this week is disturbing.</div>
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Indeed - what's really bothering me is that a $billion will be spent on restoring ND whilst there's currently such horrific suffering in Africa because of Western inflicted poverty; Idai (and other natural disasters) and civil war. It's grossly unChristian to spend so much on one building given how much that money could do in evangelising to and helping suffering human beings.<br />
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Obviously, I'm not saying that this fire isn't sad, but I really, really wish that it weren't the case that stupendous amounts of money w<span class="text_exposed_show">ill be spent on trying to rebuild. Far, far too much has been spent on extravagant Church buildings rather than ministry, inc. helping those in poverty, which the Bible actually does command repeatedly. It's grotesque that people will now donate £millions to this because they feel sentimental about it as a historical building, whilst there are people in Africa who've lost everything because of cyclone Idai and Boko Haram; and in the middle East because of war.<br />Acts 17:24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands."<br />Micah 6:8 "and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?"<br />When Jesus died, the curtain in the temple was torn in 2 - destruction of a part of the place of worship to make the point that everyone can draw close to God, not only those who are able to participate in a grandious institution.</span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Bloody hell, you moaning, negative, sad sacks! Have you got people telling you how to spend your money?Are you this negative all the time? Why can you not just praise the man for wanting to restore such beauty and and history? The church gives comfort to millions who visit and draws people to France for just that, boosting the economy. He does an awful lot of good for a lot of charities. More than you moaners realise! Learn to be nice always instead of turning every positive into a negative because of your I'll educated beliefs. Be happy!</span></span></i><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> What's the point of history, which is about and thought about by humans, if one leaves humans to die of preventable, agonising poverty? What you're saying is that the nostalgia that we privileged Westerners can feel by having Notre Dame restored to exactly how it was is more important than alleviating the agony of starving humans who've had the misfortune of being born elsewhere. That mentality suggests a lack of both logic, and of desire to follow Jesus.<br />Why is it "their money"? Because they've been stupendously lucky. People working in sweatshops and plantations will have done more hard work in their lives, but multimillionaires have the money they do because they've had opportunities to profit from the systems of colonialism and greed that have made our nations wealthy at the expense of others.<br />Comments in recent days have made abundantly clear that people prize buildings over God, so I do wonder if extravagant Cathedrals like this shouldn't have been built in the first place. You say that the Cathedral brings comfort to people, but I've not seen any comments suggesting that Cathedrals have brought anyone from agnosticism to knowing God; so for non believers, it's just history, and we believers can experience God's comfort without a Cathedral. We should be worshipping God in simple buildings and using Church offering money to tell the world the Gospel and to help those in <i>need.</i></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">We must not question the motives of others, or what they give to. We need to sort out priorities first. How much did I spend on the bathroom renovation, that holiday abroad, that new car, or even that smart new hair do, compared with what I gave to the poor and needy. Jesus said something about a plank in our own eye.....</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Indeed, but I don't spend any money on travel nor my hair (other than budget price shampoo/conditioner - I also haven't spent on renovations, though I don't own the house so I won't claim that's relevant) - I honestly don't understand why people do.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">who cares about africa <span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4e/1/16/1f644.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">🙄</span></span> if your that bothered go live there and help them yourself</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Why should people in Africa be cared about less than you?<br />I don't go since, given my health issues, I wouldn't be much use. More importantly, I don't know the languages or culture, and were I to simply turn up as a random white person, I'd likely just be mugged and then ignored (which is, if course, not to say that African people in general are muggers, only that any society has a few, and for those few, I'd be a prime target).<br />It's more effective for me to give the money that it would cost for me to get there, and more besides, to charities like Compassion, Tearfund, Feed the Hungry and Samaritan's Purse, who've formed partnerships with local Christians and trained missionaries.<br />Then, because of the donations (from money I can only earn by being here), more people who speak the local languages and understand the culture can spend their time ministering to those in need; and the donations also pay for Bibles, food and more.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Im not asking people to care about me i control my own destiny but like you said all africans are muggers at least you are being honest so stop chatting crap and be honest who cares about africa not me and not you</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Honest? I do care. A lot. But that's not the point. African people are every bit as human as you are. No, you don't control your own destiny, you use products made by other people, bought with moey paid to you by other people. What would do if you were born into a slum? What would you do if your home and source of income and food were destroyed by a cyclone? THEY are poor because of the injustices that have made US rich. <br />And how the frack have you reached the nonsensical conclusion that "all africans are muggers"?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">There's no contemporary evidence that Jesus existed, merely the book that claims he's God. That's like claiming a Batman comic is evidence of Batman. Hell, most of that evidence wasn't written until over 200 years after he was supposed to have existed anyway and even that was adapted.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Why on Earth do you think that "most of that evidence wasn't written until over 200 years after he was supposed to have existed anyway"? Seriously, that's plainly wrong, historians date the Gospel accounts to 30-60 years after Jesus' death, and some of the epistles are believed to be earlier. And there is evidence from outside of the Bible, who's told you that there isn't? No, this is nothing like "a Batman comic is evidence of Batman" - it's a compilation of historical accounts and letters. Batman was written to make money via entertainment - the New Testament writers were persecuted to death for their message, but they spread it because it mattered.<br />I see that your "mental crutch" is to cling to what you've heard and would like to believe, and not even read a newspaper article for fear that you might not like it. <br />But seriously, apologies for sounding so argumentative, I'm having a stressful night. I need to get back to other things now, enjoy your Thursday</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Does the Bible not say When Jesus was condemned for having expensive oil poured over his head " There will always be The Poor" <br />As probably one of the most visited Cathedrals on this occasion I feel it is right to Restore His House which is there for all to visit and whose works of art and the labour were given To Glorify ????<br />But Yes I agree one can question the inequality in the World and ask oneself why !</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Jesus told His apostles that they would always have the poor with them, but not always have Him. He was making the point that Mary's expenditure on perfume for His feet was a unique situation, as He wouldn't be physically present for long. He wasn't in any way condoning us today spending stupendous amounts on cathederals whilst innocent people are in physical agony for lack of food and water.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It strikes me that the more you give to the needy the more needy they become, look at our own neer do wells who wont work, cant work, been educated to avoid word, aided by the welfare system. Think there is a little flaw in your thinking.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gQ6hlhCMONU/XNNvcTLMjaI/AAAAAAAAAvU/QCFmCfZp1nUA3kHtsGxWuQYtjoJ2K4IfgCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-146083.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="650" data-original-width="431" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gQ6hlhCMONU/XNNvcTLMjaI/AAAAAAAAAvU/QCFmCfZp1nUA3kHtsGxWuQYtjoJ2K4IfgCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-146083.jpeg" width="212" /></a>H<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ow exactly does that "strike you"? Have you looked at data from developing countries? I wasn't talking about people born in wealthy countries (like ours) who receive benefits - though why do you think that they've " been educated to avoid word" (I presume that you mean work, not word)? A small minority of people are lazy, and our society encourages everyone to think that we deserve to have what we want easily - but most people on benefits have other, complex reasons, most of all that right now it's almost impossible to get work without experience, and experience can't be gained without work. I was referring to people in poverty in places where people work horrendously hard growing their own crops, or in factories and plantations, because they have no other options - yet still can barely survive. Nations like ours have become wealthy through colonialism and corporate theft (eg <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2uAE0onkU0qwoDXdQu3BKZSOfx3iy7NDo_bnriZPtCct36FiBGDrJvQmU&h=AT0-TKxKVed6N1xJdKfIhtMKTbiCZB-uuPPNrTLcHislJGThAbKXWvqn1OCDRXgOyknB99PV9p5aHWuEVh8PXfrG2nB3Lcv_SWkYVfkE226B-DlR3MrS43yU-AF4NQnUmK_u" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR2uAE0onkU0qwoDXdQu3BKZSOfx3iy7NDo_bnriZPtCct36FiBGDrJvQmU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a>) that's made developing nations poor. <br />As we donate to charities providing clean water (so that people don't need to spend hours walking for water, still contracting water bourne diseases); training and education, we enable people to look after themselves, their families and their communities. <br />One woman I met had been a sponsored child - before she was sponsored, she and her 3 siblings had to sleep on one mattress in their mud hut, with animals walking in at night (and once chewing her hair off, apparently). Being sponsored meant that her parents were less strained, since she was being fed and had extra food, mattresses and other supplies for her family. The education that she received because of sponsorship enabled her to earn money when she was older, with which she supported her family, and ultimately, all of her siblings went to university as well as her. Though only she'd been sponsored, the effect transformed multiple lives. The charity, <a class="" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=121872441181818" href="https://www.facebook.com/compassionuk/?hc_location=ufi">Compassion UK</a>, enables any of us to sponsor a child for £25 per month - how many of us would spend that on a takeaway, several coffee shop trips, or a beauty treatment?<br />If you do look at data, you'll see that, contrary to your presumption, aid has been dramatically reducing need - it's thrilling <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:)</span></span> For example, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2F2014%2F11%2F24%2F7272929%2Fglobal-poverty-health-crime-literacy-good-news%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3Iq5Uk-UqrFIlJUP68fIVUJl55r2A92ddlMWb5Pe99JCMRtS4ApvFjYbU&h=AT02oc7oqHAfAVsPa47LArJmCtLK_pqBUMim56enJTr7YRNwMImE9lyBirt32oBFJSIyBsuD5b8hI-7E8SQvKygoxD4D0jGJ8RR5igAyNUFPo5Qj8A-NBM13XnNAS_56Mtqm" href="https://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7272929/global-poverty-health-crime-literacy-good-news?fbclid=IwAR3Iq5Uk-UqrFIlJUP68fIVUJl55r2A92ddlMWb5Pe99JCMRtS4ApvFjYbU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.vox.com/.../global-poverty-health-crime...</a></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Europes cathedrals are far more important than people in far off lands. It is quite right that the money be spent restoring a grand symbol of the genius of European man.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
F<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">rack, why? Why on Earth do you think that our opportunity to walk around old buildings is more important than other humans' access to food and water? <br />Why is it "right" for the money to be spent on that, when that money has mostly ultimately been taken from those "far off lands" through colonialism and this <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1unUtRh-FEdUdeADUTd7fX5r2sNoYO-N18NAAUxxI9sZLi79K-cwkoh1w&h=AT2U3RFaezyc0YNP_AFeEbLJ-_dYT_scn6xH8pnQeTfmJ2W_NaMI8hEJ2svjykmiz_YW5PbgMJtL_KSbbGolpYpvC3OMUwkvIuZI4OKmSEK4A1CTqxMsGEV2biPLtg4NXS07" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR1unUtRh-FEdUdeADUTd7fX5r2sNoYO-N18NAAUxxI9sZLi79K-cwkoh1w" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a> ? Genius of European man? What anti-scientific racist rhetoric has been fed to you to lead you to think that human beings of European ancestry are superior? We've built more because we've been stealing resources from the rest of the world for centuries, were you honestly unaware of that?</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">what god is that then ?</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Set aside the historical traditions of religion for a moment (they take a lot if separate, nuanced discussion, plenty is false or is allegory) God is first and foremost the creator of the universe (and biological world, which I personally find more interesting) and science is to examine that creation is ever greater detail. As science has progressed, it's found more and more detail and interdependent specificity that demonstrate that the universe and biological world couldn't have come about by chance (in addition, if course, to the fact that the universe couldn't have created itself, obviously). </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><br /></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">nothing to do with an old book written in Bronze Age Palestine but with cultural heritage. History and the preservation of such beautiful buildings does matter, whether religious or not. Keep your silly quotes to yourself.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How can it have "nothing to do" with the Bible, when the Cathederal would never have been there without it?<br />Why would I "Keep my silly quotes to myself" when we all qrite our opinions on social media? Why do you care?<br />How much do you know about that "old book"? It's actually a compilation of 66 texts, varying hugely in style and purpose - and how can you know that it's unimportant if you don't know about it?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">people can spend their money how they want.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UY9RRrZ8hQs/XNNvcW_8BnI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/I1KVXN9Cq3clFDfFExebKp85megiWVHagCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-1643457.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="750" data-original-width="500" height="320" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UY9RRrZ8hQs/XNNvcW_8BnI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/I1KVXN9Cq3clFDfFExebKp85megiWVHagCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-1643457.jpeg" width="213" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Developing nations are grossly impoverished by comparison to our nations because of centuries of exploitation and theft, by our ancestors and by modern day corporations - so we've been born into an economy where we benefit from what's made other people suffer, thus the wealth of the billionaire donating is not simply "their money", these billionaires have that money because people born into relative wealth (we who live in the world's richest countries) because of injustice (colonialism, and this - <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lists/1473379266042760?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/lists/1473379266042760</a>#) have bought from their companies. They've not endured as much toil as many farmers in developing countries, or labourers in factories, who have to work painful hours providing things that we buy.<br />Obviously, they can do what they want with the money they've been lucky enough to end up with. I'm just expressing an opinon, that's what we all do here.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why is this an either/or situation? False dichotomy.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It's how money works. If you have $X, you cannot spend those $X on a lavish building and also spend the $X on shelter and clean water for those who've just had absolutely everything destroyed by a cyclone or war. I, and God, would argue that it should spent on the latter.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Money doesn't exist on its own - that money to rebuild pays wages to workers so that they can live.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Of course - but why would these donors, and the government, want to employ builders to recreate the complex designs of a cathederal rather than to build homes and hospitals? And are the builders who'll be hired actually struggling to make a living currently? Certainly, they won't be in need remotely like that of the victims of the cyclone and wars. The French economy, like ours, has vast wealth that's the result of taking from other nations, it's logical to send this smidgen of it back. And surely a chunk of the money spent on the restoration will ultimately be paid to very wealthy consultants?<br />Apologies if I seem argumentative!</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">It goes beyond religion though, specially nowadays where science superseded it mostly. Cathedrals are, above all, house of arts - architecture, paintings, sculptures, music with dynamics that a studio can only dream of, reverberation. Lots of them in countries like Germany, for example, are used more as concert houses for classical/baroque music rather anything else. If you've never attended an organ concert in one of them, you definitely should.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">S</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">cience has superseded what? God created the universe, science enables us to understand that creation in greater detail; to presume that science and belief in God are in conflict is to misunderstand God, science, or both. There's an organ at my Church, organ music is OK - but experiencing God is far better.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">there is no proof of your sky fairy, science is always provable. Wake up it's the 21st century, we don't need a god now to be the answer to questions that couldn't be answered, in todays enlightened times we can now either answer those questions with science, or say we don't know. God is obsolete.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">R</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">eally? I've never come across anyone with that opinion before...<br />Sorry, excuse my sarcasm. What's led you yourself to the conclusion that God's "made up"? Have you looked at the work of academics who explain arguments in support of His existence?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Your opinion is completely wrong. You have the spirit of Judas in you. The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization in the world. We do plenty to feed, house, and educate the poor. What utter nonsense</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How exactly is what I've written evidence of "Judas' spirit"? I'm well aware that the Catholic Church does some awesome charity work. And I never suggested that the Catholic Church should be destroyed, I was only saying that most of the money that is going to be spent on trying to make the Cathedral how it was, should instead be spent on providing Bibles and essential needs (clean water, shelter, food, education) for those trapped (through no fault of their own) in daily physical agony because of poverty and war.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">This is Ireland dear. You lose all credibility the moment you start talking about God's. You become offensive when you start quoting passages from books written by Jewish/Muslim deluded old men 2000 years ago.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
N<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">o, not all Irish people are atheists. Why do you yourself think that mentioning God means that I've "lost credibility"? Why on Earth do you think that the Bible was written partially by Muslims? Why do you deem it "offensive" to quote a Jew?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">why those in other countries why not sort our own country first </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Because our country has an NHS, welfare state (albeit very flawed, I know), school for everyone, homeless shelters, soup kitchens and food banks - all of which I know need more support, but people in hit by the cyclone, Boko Haram and war could only dream of these things.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">they could start by helping themselves !</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How exactly? What would you do if you were born into a slum; stunted as you grew up by malnutrition; forced to spend hours each day collecting water; lacking access to healthcare or government support; and stuck without any opportunities for a career?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How much of you wages do you donate I'm guessing nothing</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL, why do you "guess nothing"? Christopher Stephens I'm studying and job seeking, so I have limited income, but yes of course I have sponsor children, additional direct debits to charities and make additional donations.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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It's not wrong in itself, what is wrong is nurturing the suggestion that he's actually "a girl born in the wrong body" who needs hormone injections and surgery. Kids should be supported to feel happy with who they are, not told that they should one day transition.</div>
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NB, opposition to Islam, the ideology, is not necessarily the same as bullying of human beings who are Muslim. The former may be OK, the latter is not.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No preaching? God is worth talking about, why would it be good not to preach? And no jdgement? God is just, so of course there's judgement, why lie that there isn't? What's thrilling, is that Jesus offers to take the judgement for us. We urgently need to tell our world - if we lovd others, how could we not?</span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I guess I'm not clear where we're called to be judgemental towards the unbeliever. The scriptures actually say opposite (we are not to judge people outside the church...just judge those INSIDE the church. Evangelicalism has moved towards switching those two things but it's entirely unbiblical). As for preaching, there is not real standard for what MUST happen within corporate worship. Perhaps the song will speak to someone. Perhaps a hug or a loving word of encouragement will turn someone towards Christ. Remember, God draws people to repentance through His kindness. Does preaching work at times? Absolutely. Does harsh truth? You bet. Is it necessary or even most often the best way? Not according to the New Testament scriptures.</span></span></i></div>
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I'm certainly not advocating that we be judgemental towards unbelivers, I'm saying that we should explain that judgement exists, for the sake of justice, and that everyone is offered forgiveness instead because Christ has taken that judgement.<br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I’m not sure how judgement fits in with unconditional love.....I’m not sure why so many Christians feel that they need to “teach” others how to live the right ( or their) way when we are all made in God’s image and God “dwells in us” The church, and therefore many Christians have, for too long, made it their job to tell others how to live. The greatest commandment is love. Unconditional, affirming and all consuming sacrificial love - just like God loves me.</span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span></div>
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Is the slang term Glory Hole (from which the name Glitter Hole is obviously derived) used on your side of the pond, or is it just here (in Britain)?<br />
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Why exactly? Seriously, how much have you looked into this? There are Christians in parts of the world being ostracised from their communities (and water sources, work etc), and physically attacked, as well as Churches being bombed, and the media doesn't bother to cover it. Indeed, we in the West are almost always safe, so don't think that we're complaining on behalf of ourselves; for you to simply disregard this^ suggests that you're making seriously inaccurate presumptions. Try looking at <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=55984857501&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARAiV-IUWY20XDYm7IvZz7MKXKdUnnI9P5jbIZa_C2781Cl-oOJTx4wOVrjy_qCEm4TgxsGds2Ho-IWM%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/opendoorsuk/?eid=ARAiV-IUWY20XDYm7IvZz7MKXKdUnnI9P5jbIZa_C2781Cl-oOJTx4wOVrjy_qCEm4TgxsGds2Ho-IWM&fref=tag">Open Doors UK & Ireland</a>; <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=158758150725&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARAlNa--leB-3bRGwk2Zh3BVLFIjCEMPXfLiBJdSNLqZd7Gb00NaU7IhbEfC-YUvwb_RtYq79Lk2uaDI%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/BarnabasFund/?eid=ARAlNa--leB-3bRGwk2Zh3BVLFIjCEMPXfLiBJdSNLqZd7Gb00NaU7IhbEfC-YUvwb_RtYq79Lk2uaDI&fref=tag">Barnabas Fund</a> and <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=908971925867366&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARAIphfUYDBd7UDWCQPflkt-okYbKk8QLwENS_pobcEybTT9fx8eab4Xoc5DSmZQoTp3Cs8dkTwZ1WiR%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/ChristianSolidarityuk/?eid=ARAIphfUYDBd7UDWCQPflkt-okYbKk8QLwENS_pobcEybTT9fx8eab4Xoc5DSmZQoTp3Cs8dkTwZ1WiR&fref=tag">Christian Solidarity</a>.<br />
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Why the frack are people laughing at this? Seriously, I'm curious, what is it that people think about Christians and or Sri Lankans that makes them laugh at their slaughter?</div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show"></span>What's your point, Anthony? People can be evil, and have frequently claimed to be fighting for God, since doing so made them feel noble, but each "religion" is different, and each individual makes their own choices.<br />
The people who were gathered in the Churches where the massacre happened were there to celebrate Jesus, who offers each person eternal life (heaven) though we don't deserve it; and Jes<span class="text_exposed_show">us repeatedly taught that we must love others, even our enemies, and avoid violence. It's the opposite of the ideology driving terrorists (and it was clearly not in the minds of people who have called themselves Christians and then engaged in war and bullying - anyone can call themselves what they want, it doesn't mean that they are).</span><br />
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Stop this Premier, seriously. The wider world constantly allows mussuse of the word Christian, but you know full well that it is, by definition, to follow Christ. These parents were therefore, evidently not Christian. Quotation marks don't suffice, you need to stop propagating this dangerous falsehood that contributes to many, many people never exploring genuine Christianity.</div>
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Indeed, but she should be aware, we don't all have homes. I, and many others of my generation, live with parents because there's no way we can afford not to - and I'm not complaining, I'm stupendously lucky to have such awesome parents, but it does mean that we can't necessarily do whatever we want hospitality wise.<br />
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It makes me so, so upset that the word evangelical has become a slur to refer to Trump supporters and those for whom pride in claiming to call oneself Christian means more than Christ.<br />
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The amygdala (part of the brain) can naturally cause us to feel more comfortable around people like ourselves - so we have a serious responsibility to challenge our instinctive biases.<br />
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Seriously, we're extremely privileged, stop moaning. Watch some world news and contemplate how stupendously lucky you are; then pick one subscription, cancel others and you can use the money saved to sponsor a child<br />
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Obviously that's grossly insane - but it's fallacious to use this as an argument for keeping abortion legal. The headline is also is distortion of reality - ie, it's a bill, not a law, but even if it were a law, it wouldn't by any means necessarily be enforced. Here in the UK, the law says that abortion is technically only legal when 2 doctors agree that it's necessary for the woman's life, yet ev<span class="text_exposed_show">eryone knows that a woman will be able to have an abortion purely because she wants one. Judges aren't going to sentence women to execution for having abortions, even if the bill passed - and I am NOT supporting the bill, I'm just sick of misleading headlines being used like this.<br />Note that an abortion is already a death sentence for a tiny human who's had no choice in the matter at all.</span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The only argument you need for keeping abortion legal is that it's the woman's body and she has the fucking right to decide what to do with it. Body autonomy is not negotiable!</span></span></i><span class="text_exposed_show"><i> </i></span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">N</span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">o, it's partially the woman's body, for 9 months. because she made a choice (rape, Alex Nelson, only accounts for 1% of abortions, I'm not talking about those cases). It's the entire body and life of the tiny human that gets aborted - if there's bodily autonomy, destroying someone else's is wrong. But there are other arguments - abortion can be very harmful to the woman as well.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">S</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">orry, but no. I don't care when you consider a fetus is an independent being; as long as it can't sustain itself outside the woman it's still her choice to terminate if she sees fit. Y'all acting like women go around choosing to get pregnant and then have abortions like it's a good time. I can assure you they're all heartbroken during the process, because they're not monsters and it wasn't an easy decision. No one has the right to take that decision away. How is the bodily autonomy of a fetus more important than a pregnant woman's?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I didn't say that "the bodily autonomy of a fetus more important than a pregnant woman's", but the woman has already made a choice, and it's the foetus that stands to die.<br />Of course you don't care what I think, this is Facebook where we can comment on articles. All I did was to type to release my frustration, you don't have to agree, nor waste both our time arguing.</span></span></div>
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I really, really, really don't care. People in Southern Africa have had their homes and livelihoods destroyed by a cyclone; people in other parts of Africa are having their lives destroyed by Ebola, Boko Haram and the exploitation our corporations are responsible for; people in Yemen have had their homes bombed and are now starving because of weapons we sold to Saudi Arabia; people in parts of Asia are suffering in sweatshops and plantations to provide things we buy and throw away, etc, etc.<br />
Brexit or lack thereof is tedious trivia compared to what some people are going through. If only some of our politicians could put some of their time into addressing serious human suffering.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">there is suffering in the UK as well. Have you been to Croydon?</span></span> </i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">we have serious human suffering going on in the U.K. believe it or not ,we already send millions in aid around the world !</span></span> </i></div>
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Y<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ou seem seriously unaware of what I'm talking about. Of course, far more should be done to help the UK's poorest people; but at least there's a benefits system, even if flawed; we have an NHS, schools and police that benefit everyone; there are shelters and food banks, which obviously, I wish no one was forced to use - but they're all things that people in the countries I mentioned can only dream of. <br />Right now, the cyclone victims don't even have clean water and are on the verge of contracting cholera; they're so starved that they're forced to fight over rice, and they've lost everything, including loved ones.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">we send millions to some of the country’s you are talking about , it is down to the corrupt governments in those places to make sure the aid gets to the people !<br />I am NOT seriously unaware of what you are talking about .....I have relatives in Venezuela so you do not need to preach to me about what we should be doing .As I said ,we have people who need help in the U.K. and all the money and the bleeding hearts in the world will not solve the problems abroad whilst they are being fleeced by their own governments </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">We give 0.7% of our GDP, why on Earth do you think that that would be enough to resolve things? Meanwhile, our corporations are taking even more than that - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3Mg9bD-YkmKdjDfGfXWT9UrC5Ve28P2MAiRmkuCAXG8lbj-sY-8eBdy98&h=AT0tAwhwXhcv0uC-RQtRsFFUAbt2JcxoGwFDyfxZuaonYesrvgrTLOLSAh7zKUm8yghRc7P-2BEfhh9K-JUD_-2mB89T2hvOJSAXcrFnX76XERiEe5oCB6TE_Xu2kN8Or17P" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR3Mg9bD-YkmKdjDfGfXWT9UrC5Ve28P2MAiRmkuCAXG8lbj-sY-8eBdy98" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a><br /><i>And if their governments are corrupt, why should we leave the people to starve, as though it's their fault that their politicians are unfair? Also, it's colonialism, including by our ancestors, that led to the corrupt governmets of developing countries.</i></span></span><i> </i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">If a government is corrupt, that doesn't mean that aid can't reach the people. <br />Indeed, the Middle Eastern countries that have wealth should help their neighbours - but if they don't, it's not the fault of the innocent starving people. Compared to the people of Yemen, we live in extreme luxury, spending loads on things that we don't need whilst they starve to death - and weapons sales that have added to our economy are largely responsible.<br />Africa's been left poverty stricken by nations like ours having brutally robbed it of its natural resources, and its people robbed of land by our multinational corporations. Today, multinationals use corruption to take many, many times money from developing countries than we give in aid.<br />We have an NHS; school for everyone; warm, dry, comfortable, furnished homes; clean water on tap; electricity, broadband and endless entertainment via technology; all the food we could want, and so much more. How can you possibly think that we shouldn't help people whose homes have been destroyed and who are in physical agony for lack of food and water?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Let me give you a for instance about the corrupt governments in other country’s .......Venezuela has gone days without electricity , water , food ,medicines etc .....it was sent by the US amongst other places and was confiscated at the border by the government ,the people are starving and dieing so what’s your answer to that Grace Dalton</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">hat's happening in Venezuela is awful, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't help other countries which can be reached by Aid. Also, I never said that there shouldn't be more done for the least well off people in this country; I said the opposite, that far more should be done to help them. But they're poor because the wealth of our nation is stupidly unfairly distributed, not because of Foreign Aid, which, as I said, is a measly 0.7% of our GDP.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span></div>
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Why put time into teaching kids about same sex relationships in the hope that doing so will reduce bullying, rather than instead using that time teaching children never to bully for any reason? I didn't know about homosexuality until the very end of primary school - but I, like most of us, wouldn't dream of bullying an LGBT person. We need to teach kids that all human beings are equally precious and all deserve respect.<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Then why are kids still bullying other kids,for a multitude of reasons that have nothing to do with sexuality? Obviously, some children will always treat others horribly, but it makes more sense to spend limited school time on addressing bullying as a whole.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span></div>
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What you might not get (or not fully grasp, having not experienced it), is that a person's relationship with God can be a hugely meaningful part of their lives. He could feel joy in knowing God, and also a responsibility to serve a congregation. The issue is the Catholic Church forcing priests to be single - it's not Biblical.<br />
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Surely "Will I always get the desires of my heart?" is a somewhat moot question, in that we don't necessarily know what we want; and that the desires of our hearts change (ie, perhaps what we get will not be what we want at the time, and later we'll be glad that we received it)<br />
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If we can't get bacon as cheaply, or at all, it's absolutely trivial by comparison to the concern we should have for impoverished people in Africa who could suffer because of this. We can easily just buy other meat - for some people in Africa, this could mean losing their source of protein and or income entirely.<br />
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Good for them. Contrary to the messages our sex obsessed culture brainwashes us with, sex isn't actually necessary to enjoy life. And if more people delayed until they were married, they'd suffer less emotionally, and avoid STIs and accidental pregnancies. Corporations that profit from selling sex-related products and splashing sex across our screens have misled people into doing things that ultimately reduce long term wellbeing.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Sex obsessed culture? Your comment highlights your opinion and personal attitude to the issue, not more. How are you going to marry someone if you never have never had sex with him/her? Copying traditional outdated social models where sex before marriage was a taboo is not the answer.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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H<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ighlights my own opinion? Isn't discussing our own opinions what we're all doing here? And what do you mean by "How are you going to marry someone if you never have never had sex with him/her"? Are you imagining people being married and still not having sex with each other, or are you saying that people couldn't get married if they'd not had sex first? If the latter, then why?<br />And how exactly is not having sex before marriage "outdated"? Just because something was normal in the past and isn't now, doesn't mean that it's wrong.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">japanese are going to die out due to not having sex. I think being sex obsessed is actually a good thing in this case.</span></span></i></div>
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A<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">lmost all people here who are young and sexually active are preventing that sex from leading to babies - to increase its birth rate, a society needs families to each have more children (not that kids born to single mums aren't equally awesome, obviously - but statistically, they are more likely to have a tough time).</span></span></div>
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Meanwhile, some equally deserving human beings in developing countries have no shoes at all.<br />
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I'm confused - why are you (in the US) joking about what's going on here? Here in London, there's nothing funny about the knife crime problem - and this^ is incredibly hurtful to the families of knife crime victims, and the many worried that their teenagers could become victims.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">not laughing at the crime itself. <br />Laughing at your totalitarian government. The idea that a government is so controlling that it decides whether or not you get to own cutlery is amusing to us.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The government hasn't decided whether people can own cutlery, what are you talking about?</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">seems your gun regulations did not fix your hoodlum problem</span></span></i></div>
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<i> -</i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i>So it doesn't come here? We have guns. No one brings a knife to a gun fight... But you wouldn't know that because you gave them up...<br />We didn't. That's why we're under American rule and not British rule and why you'll be under Muslim rule.</i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Of course gun regulations alone don't eliminate crime, why would they? If we didn't have them, we could have mass school shootings like you do. The knife crime issue is complicated, and related to gangs and drug dealers forcing teenagers into conflict, with more innocent people still becoming victims. It's not because we don't have guns.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">it’s mocking the idea that banning a type of weapon will greatly reduce murder rates instead of focusing on the mental aspect of why the crimes are committed in the first place.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-Gun laws prevent exactly zero criminals from acquiring guns.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-you will never eliminate the tools with which people will do evil. You can't outlaw rocks. Trying to take away the tools is extremely ineffective. But it provides a great source of comedic material so please, do carry on.</span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-The real joke here is the UK itself, and its soft-handed treatment of the most vile criminal scum imaginable.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-apparently pocket knives, steak knives, kitchen knives and butter knives are now too dangerous for the public to have access to there. Sharp sticks next.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-I think the joke is believing that totalitarianism will solve it.</span></span> </i><i>- Grace Dalton is trolling, surely...</i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-it completely baffles me how anyone can seriously consider passing laws against kitchen cutlery. Blame the criminal not the knife. I have a drawer full of razors sharp knives. Not one of them has ever committed a single crime, ever.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-I agree this article was a little too far. They should have made one making fun of the acid attacks in London.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Because in America, we still have free speech and can make fun of England whenever we want. Nobody cares if you dont like it. Nobody owes you an explanation. But ill give you one free of charge: <br />-Your govts totalitarion denial of basic rights is not designed to keep you safe. Its designed to subdue and control you and you're too dumb to realise it. You cant ban and legislate crime away. There is science behind this. The root cause of most violent crime is the poverty/addiction cycle. Everyone knows this, but you keep making more and dumber restrictive laws. You are rubes. You are getting played.</span><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-Man, I'm so glad we broke up with you.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-Once most of the knives are seized, watch for Mayor Khan’s Imam to call for the Knife Intifada in the UK to advance toward Sharia Law.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-I guess bombings and truck/van mass killings are better than a mass shooting?Personally I’d take a shooting over a bombing.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">-people make fun of it because the gun rights supporters here have routinely said that if we banned guns, the next thing politician would come for is knives. They laughed at us... Now we laugh because of the stupidity the left espouses and how accurate our predictions of their stupidity is</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-”I live like a slave, but your opinion on basic human rights hurts my extraordinarily weak feelings, so curtail some of your individual freedom so I look less foolish.” -An Idiot Named Grace-</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-When you keep voting in people who do not vett the Muslims who are coming into your country from areas that are known for being "radical" Muslims, you can expect that kind of violence.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-If only you had guns to defend yourselves.</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-I honestly can’t tell if this person is trolling or serious</span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-You banned cutlery</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">-</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">We in the U.S. are well aware of your stabbings, as well as car attacks, acid attacks, etc. Knives aren't your real problem. Open borders are.</span></span></i><br />
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<i>-<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">it is hilarious because you fools conflate safety with less freedom. Enjoy the slow rot of your once great empire at the hand of your own demise.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Wow. How did you all end up so unpleasant? <br />And you seem to be seriously misinformed - but then. if you're getting your news from sites with names like "Professional Troublemaker", I shouldn't be surprised.<br />Cutlery is not banned, why on Earth do you think that? The knives that have been banned are zombie knives - please Google those if you don't kow what they are and tell me why one Earth you think anyone should have them.</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I've already said that the knife crime issue is complex and relates to gang culture amongst other things, so why are so many of you accusing me of blaming the items themselves? The reality is, that if a teenager feels nervous because of gangs in their local area, or want to seem tough to their peers, and they decide to buy a knife to carry, it's more likely that someone - including that teenager themselves or someone entirely innocent, will end up injured or dead than if they can't easily buy a knife. And if guns were legal, far, far more people would end up dead. Obviously criminals will still ignore laws, and obviously, some people will always find other ways of inflicting injury, but the fatality rate will be lessened if fewer people are carrying knives and end up using them in a moment of panic and adrenaline. It's the Left who are fervently arguing that the problems are more deep-rooted than knives themselves, and who are campaigning for more youth clubs and mental health services.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Ultimately, this is obviously about you feeling tragically attached to guns. It's simultaneously funny and sad - you think that we're oppressed and living under a totalitarian government because we don't own killing machines. There are many, many things that people here disagree about - but no one is seriously arguing for us to be allowed guns. You're like addicts, terrified that someone will take away from you the thing that you're addicted to, whilst you're in fact the more imprisoned one, trapped by your addiction and unaware that things would actually be better if you were free of it.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Also, for the record, we are not being over run by Muslims. Some of your media has seriously conned you on this topic. I am personally concerned about Islam itself - but the vast majority of Muslims are not following, or are not even aware of, the dangerous aspects of Islam. And in reality, many Muslims have virtues that society could do with more of. <a class="" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=275283499191111" href="https://www.facebook.com/sadiqforlondon/?hc_location=ufi">Sadiq Khan</a>, for example, got my vote because he worked hard, coming from an underprivileged background, and has a stable family, whilst his (white) opponent had everything in life handed to him, and had cheated on his wife. Of course, 1 example proves nothing, but you're seriously mistaken thinking that Khan and Muslims are destroying Britain.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">....yeah...it kinda is. You lie about not having a crime problem and one of our political parties use you as a guide for their agenda so they can drag us to EU standards calling it "progressive." It funny...sad.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">When did I say that we don't have a crime problem? Every nation has a crime problem because every nation has human beings. What "EU standards" are the Democrats trying to enforce? And why are you moaning at a Brit about the EU?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Because knives don't kill people, roving packs of Bengali kids do. At least that is what I was told when I was in London 15+ years ago. We were told by our guide not to mess with the kids/teens on the street, he said they might look 95 pounds soaking wet after a full meal, but he said many of them were in gangs and all carried knives. Politically incorrect. but that was what one Londoner told us.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span></i><br />
W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hy would you "mess with" anyone? What does being Bengali have to do with this? Seriously, I follow the news, I can't remember any of the crimin\ls we see images of being Bengali. And I've already said, it's not just the items that a responsible- but if fewer potential attackers had knives with them, there would be fewer tragedies.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">you're entire data collection for criminal statistics is where the English and Europians lie. To call those tactics "skewing" is an understatement If you want to play the "I as an individual never said that" fine....but it's your government that does.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"if [I] want to play" - what? I'm not "playing" anything, I'm not responsible for what my government says. I didn't even vote for them. Why on Earth are you arguing with me about what politicians who happen to be in the same country as me have done?<br />But also, how on Earth do you know that my, or the UK government's data is wrong? Seriously, it's bizarre that you have certainty that you know better than another nation's government about what's going on in that nation when you're thousands of miles away.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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Obviously not the point, but why are nurses being paid less than firefighters and police officers? Nurses have to do a lot of unpaid overtime and courses/training days (for new medications and procedures).</div>
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Does that mean that the magazine will stop incessantly printing articles about sex? That would be awesome.</div>
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What actually matters is that the vast majority of Brits believe Christ's offer of salvation (or, stupefyingly, Christ Himself) to be fictional. We urgently need to make people aware of the historical case for the resurrection. <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1VWE0DKvhAv0mC89n9riATGvIqvlerWVGYE4yLVZGOQ8P2K2z44TFaT5g&h=AT0d3d6Q6zCpVmI5e8zunm4rLxnhmYWBjzAB-5XTINqMzCl1tw1hFFTXjZVFZ-NH-m66zWlksaqWfpvGZ-imD-es-fT2g3ZX0oOOlFc4_V2MA1TLo_JJ_pqEImCiRXpAJiKFA17q" href="https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection?fbclid=IwAR1VWE0DKvhAv0mC89n9riATGvIqvlerWVGYE4yLVZGOQ8P2K2z44TFaT5g" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection</a></div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The historical case for magic space wizardry is a non-starter.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You're proving my point. Why not look at the writings of Christian academics about the resurrection?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">What you’re saying is the vast majority of Brits are thoughtful and intelligent and understand that the story of a resurrection isn’t unique to Christianity. It exists in cultures that predate Christianity by thousands of years.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">T</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hat's (the idea that Jesus' life is fabricated from other myths) a common conspriracy theory, and easily disproven. Try this, for example, <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjwwartick.com%2F2012%2F06%2F04%2Fparallelomania%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3kQaPj4XryQhqJwcFR--k3Z8sT1zlAMRsAh4EdTpX6WHMSSbTVlIb-N1c&h=AT1DBOIl2z6tAYgQg6TNRWLpl7ETyA6CvR6r9bEWLVFQp5b-r_jUCeAnD39hmFXG70vHhJQ8urkDfUUFDyoUs2WYZSLuYWaWeT7PNU95JJEZZ4-D6x2IJ42qvLzz1e9LgZry" href="https://jwwartick.com/2012/06/04/parallelomania/?fbclid=IwAR3kQaPj4XryQhqJwcFR--k3Z8sT1zlAMRsAh4EdTpX6WHMSSbTVlIb-N1c" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://jwwartick.com/2012/06/04/parallelomania/</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">LOL! Oh, my sides!!</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RWGTjogByxU/XNNwS12vIeI/AAAAAAAAAwI/T_LOMsULrJsqByQLto8qHWTOmnCoEPbkgCLcBGAs/s1600/mastomys-332686_960_720.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="720" data-original-width="898" height="256" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RWGTjogByxU/XNNwS12vIeI/AAAAAAAAAwI/T_LOMsULrJsqByQLto8qHWTOmnCoEPbkgCLcBGAs/s320/mastomys-332686_960_720.jpg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Precisely. You don't want to believe in God, so you assume that anyone who does is stupid, even though some have numerous PhDs. If their writings/lectures were all nonsense, you'd be willing to look at them and point out how they're wrong, but you'd rather just laugh and ignore because you don't want to have to examine your current faith. <br />Did you look at the hyperlink I posted in response to your claim that the resurrection is derived from other cultures' myths? There are plenty of other articles I could have added, I could write out myself why your idea is mistaken, but I'd just be wasting my time, since you aren't going to read anything you don't want to agree with,are you?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">A PhD in theology is a like Seinfeld: About nothing.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">According to who? Why is your opinion on Academia superior to the universities that from which people obtain theology qualifications? And when did I say that the PhDs I'm referring to are in theology? My favourite Christian writers are PhDs in philosophy, mathematics and astrophysics.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
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I really, really don't care. What can we do to help the cyclone victims in southern Africa? Or the Yemeni people starving to death because of a war fought with weapons you've sold?<br />
Can we use Brexit to address the grotesque injustices in trade that leave those who provide our cocoa, coffee, tea, sugar, clothes, technology etc in tortuous poverty?<br />
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Our media almost ignores Africa. It's as though some people think that people with the darkest skin, in the poorest countries are less human. It's horrifying.<br />
Yet what's thrilling, is that when we donate to charities working with the world's very poorest people, it makes many times more of a difference than anything we can spend our money on here. For example, <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=146534838701616&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARCV_6NOuLwR4Pjz0X-D1OJB0IdODSuFPoNB5vgRUbSPpTyygbZWEEz9osk13fJ76xsgPfha2dAj6a6l%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/fthuk/?eid=ARCV_6NOuLwR4Pjz0X-D1OJB0IdODSuFPoNB5vgRUbSPpTyygbZWEEz9osk13fJ76xsgPfha2dAj6a6l&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry UK</a> (obvs. one of many<span class="text_exposed_show"> awesome organisations working in the crisis area) can provide food for a family for a month for £15. Many people will have spent that amount, or far more, on a takeaway or booze tonight - I wish that more people were aware of the incomparably more exciting ways that we can spend. Why doesn't the media discuss it more?</span><br />
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The Bible urges us to be pure - ie, not to sleep around; but the concept of priests remaining single and celibate is an invention of a Pope, it's not from God. There's specifically a suggestion in the New Testament that, unless a person is truly happy and comfortable with lifelong celibacy, each should be married and have a respectful, generous intimate relationship with their spouse.<br />
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If Clinton weren't so supportive of abortion, Trump wouldn't have won. How serious are you about helping the poor, if you're going to continue letting this^ issue stand in your way?</div>
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Indeed - but so do the many people who state that a foetus is "just a clump of cells"</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">we’re all just clumps of cells. Don’t fool yourself about an invisible man in the sky making you special.</span></span> </i></div>
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Y<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">up - so if we're each clumps of cells, why is calling a foetus a clump of cells considered by those who do so to prove that it's fine to kill them? And note the word *just* - we are comprised of cells, but we're not "just clumps", we have unique genomes that determine the development of cellular structures; cell networks; tissues and organ systems - and we have brain function and consciousness.<br />When did I mention an invisible man in the sky? You seem to be mocking what you presume I believe, whilst not at all understanding what I actually do believe.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The question is, whose clump of cells? If it isn't yours, BUTT. OUT.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">A murder victim isn't anyone else's clump of cells, so should we butt out then? What do you mean by butt out, given that all I'm doing is typing, I'm not actually stopping anyone from doing anything?</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Describe a fetus however you want, it’s not a person, and even if it is, its existence is entirely dependent on whoever carries it, not you, please mind your business and find a real issue to be upset about.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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S<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">o how do we define a "person"? And why does dependency determine that killing is OK? We're all dependent on other people to farm our food, and on the living things (inc plants) that we eat to survive - more straightforwardly, babies and severely handicapped, ill, injured and elderly people are dependent. Crucially, the person on whom the foetus is dependent made the choice that brought about that dependency(other than in cases of rape, obviously, but these account for literally only 1% or abortions, according to PP's own research).<br />But I should shut up, because though this is a "real issue", there are others that I ought to be focussing on - I'm heartbrokn by severe poverty in developing countries, and need to stop wasting time discussing other things.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">first of all: Yawn. Secondly, are you a gun control advocate? Or perhaps volunteering to help the current influx of immigrants from Central America?? Didn’t think so.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">What? I live in London, England. I follow news outlets from around the world, because I want to be better informed (also, US culture feeds right into ours, since so, so many websites/vloggers/films/tv programs etc that people here consume are from the US).<br />So I can't volunteer with migrants from South/Central America, I wish I could. Gun control? I'm baffled that people (other than farmers or soldiers) have guns at all. If it were up to me, they'd all be got rid off ASAP.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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Ridiculous, obviously - but in fact, she wouldn't have needed a payrise because she's already earning several times what the average Brit earns, and hundreds of times what some women - those who pick our tea, sew our clothes, harvest our fruit etc - earn. Why is our culture so obsessed with things like this^ and unconcerned the human beings earning so little that they have to live in slums?</div>
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Thankyou so much for saying this. I'm so, so, so sick of our nation obsessing over comparative trivia whilst there's serious suffering elsewhere in our world.<br />
My generation, who've grown up fully aware of severe global poverty, and who would claim to be concerned about social justice, are passionately fighting against Brexit (and plastic entangling sea life - which is obviously bad, but insignificant compared to this^), and marching in the streets because of it, whilst almost ignoring the most severe human agony.</div>
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Most of the time, that's true, but you also don't help anything by disregarding peoples' feelings - and headlines like this help nothing, but will push some white people towards racism.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"Yeah, but...(inserts feelings)..." And, uh, if this article pushes somebody towards racism guess what. They were already racist. In other words, this headline might make a racist feel like expressing their racism.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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Y<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">uh, and people of colour suffer more when more people express racism, so why are you implying that this is a good thing?<br />If a white person "imposes their feelings", you can point out if/how those feelings are unjustified - if you simply tell people shut up because they're white you aren't helping anything, you're just being racist.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why should black people have to constantly point out white people whining?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">yeah, nah. First of all those racist White people have been expressing their racism all along in a million ways. We've been talking about that for years. So called non racist Whites like you have been saying "Shhhhhh" for years.<br />You don't seem to realize that they use emotions as a tactic to shut down debate. We can't allow that. <br />Believe me. Blacks have endured the bullshit of racist Whites for years. We will handle it. <br />You need to spend more time tone policing your White racist brothers and sisters and less time trying to prove the articles on this site right.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ih-kUD20yVY/XNNwS4i9lYI/AAAAAAAAAwE/LFyazYfEGdgti6VYVqlDV945aAs8TNiZgCLcBGAs/s1600/be1ff203eb5ec74999dc475b7513a58c.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="846" data-original-width="564" height="320" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ih-kUD20yVY/XNNwS4i9lYI/AAAAAAAAAwE/LFyazYfEGdgti6VYVqlDV945aAs8TNiZgCLcBGAs/s320/be1ff203eb5ec74999dc475b7513a58c.jpg" width="213" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"So called non racist Whites like you" are you implying that all white people are racist? Or that I'm racist? (NB, I'm not moaning if you are as some people do, I'm just trying understand what you're saying).<br />What do you mean about me needing to "tone police my white racist brothers and sisters"? You've just said that you "will handle" racist BS (I never suggested you should have to) so why are you then telling me police peoples' tone? And why would I be able to police what other people say? Why would anyone change their tone because I ask them to? Who are my "brothers and sisters"? Other white people aren't my brothers and sisters, we're all individuals with entirely varying views. I'm not connected to people on the basis of having similarly low levels of melanin.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I don't know if you are racist or not. I was drawing a parallel between you and the people that you said would become more racist if they saw a headline on social media. You might or might not be racist. I have no skin in that game. I guarantee a racist White person will listen to you or any other White person before they listen to a person of color. And yeah. You are here trying to tell us to tip toe around the feelings of White people. That is tone policing. Take that energy elsewhere. <br />Yes. Black people will shoulder the weight of White racism. But its White people who need to use their energy and influence to put an end to it.<br />Or you could sit here debating with Blacks about how we should be more accommodating to racist when they manipulate the dialogue with emotional outbursts.<br />Which is kind of what you're doing now.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm definitely not "trying to tell us to tip toe around the feelings of White people". If white people whine, you're in no way obliged to "tip toe"/pay them attention. I'm not asking you to be accomodating. All I was saying was that the headline, that white people should shut up about their feelings, is mistaken. And indeed, unfortunately a racist white person might be even less likely to listen to a person of colour than to me, but they still won't take seriously what I say if I suggest that that they change their tone.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">perhaps you don't realize this, but you are demonstrating the point of the article by continuing to center your feelings about the headline in this discussion.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Pretty much everything you've said has been about white people feelings, Grace, and you're white. Unless you're an emotionless robot and you're pearl clutching by proxy, you're talking aboit your feelings.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I am an emotionless robot, I have Aspergers (not to speak for others with Aspergers, obviously). You've not answered my question - which words or phrases in what I've written are about emotion? Raymond, how am I being defensive? You're essentially saying that I should just shut up entirely because I'm white, which is fine, but you're not going to tackle racism by telling people to shut up.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Black people aren't being racist. We don't have the power to do that. We can be prejudiced, not racist. Still, prejudice assumes we have no memory, history, or legacy to judge against, and that's just not true. Even the so-called good white people have had selfish aims often.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">... you are holding yourself up to not be a racist while having the symptoms of a racist. <br />To put it succinctly, if you aren't talking about reparations or true systemic reform as a white person to black people, nothing else you are talking about matters. It'll just be lip service or self-serving, like a distraction, which is maybe your intent all along to maintain the status quo or protect your own racial feelings.</span></span></i><br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2bl-goeME04/XNNwS5GkIYI/AAAAAAAAAwA/NJjhqQRzfnshNCu-tFjl0n2Dz9GCSI_IACLcBGAs/s1600/9d618a0e484d7b27a7cbc134a95a9152.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="771" data-original-width="564" height="320" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2bl-goeME04/XNNwS5GkIYI/AAAAAAAAAwA/NJjhqQRzfnshNCu-tFjl0n2Dz9GCSI_IACLcBGAs/s320/9d618a0e484d7b27a7cbc134a95a9152.jpg" width="234" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Whites are not all individuals. That is a common ploy. What I mean is, whites act as a group when it's convenient and they act as individuals when it's convenient. When there are BAD whites that surface, then you claim that that person has nothing to do with you or your culture. Meanwhile, 'mainstream whiteness' will accuse black people of being inferior, not on an individual basis, but as a group. You thinking you are an individual is something that comes out of white supremacy itself. It's a response that is expected to pretend there is a meritocracy here... that you never got anywhere by anybody else's hand, that you are where you are of your own volition, that your attitudes are bohemian and nuanced, that you aren't the average, mediocre rube who just wants to bother somebody for no reason at all. It's a defense mechanism to keep you racially innocent. You are very much connected to other whites as a group. It's what confers benefits of this system upon you. You weren't a slaveowner, but I guarantee you that you share their group dynamic in having some power over somebody else. If you lied about a black man raping you tonight, that person could end of dead just based on a word. Just a word. No action, no evidence, doesn't even have to be an actual black man who exists - they'll pick up any warm body they find or 'suspect' to hold us accountable. All because you make a claim.</span></span>[etc]</i><br />
I suspect that much of our misunderstanding is bourne of me living in London, where, though I'm aware things are far from perfect, there's far less racial tension than in the US, so I'm failing to appreciate the issue of racism not only because of being white, but also because I've not lived amidst the tension that exists elsewhere (again, I'm certainly not claiming that there's no racism here, nor that Londoners are otherwise superior, obviously). What I do observe far more, is the abhorrent disregard that many people have for those in developing countries, and I spend much of my time on social media desperately trying to make people think again - but it's blooming hard, people often cling to their opinions even more strongly when they're challenged, so telling people to change their tone or shut up about their feelings is only going to make those people less willing to listen.<br />
"You absolutely were by telling us to not tell them to shut up" - can you see how bizarre this conversation has become? You're scolding me because you think I'm telling some people not to tell other people not to verbalise their feelings. Is that a quadruple negative? I don't know about where you are, but here (in the UK), an endlessly lauded value is freedom of speech - I disagree with some instances of this, I don't think autonomy trumps the safety of others if the speech that a person wants to be free to have incites harm, but discussing feelings usually won't do so.<br />
In fact, I didn't say that you shouldn't tell them to shut up, I firmly believe that you're entitled to do that, I was only commenting that I think it won't help the cause and in some situations will make things worse.<br />
And as I said right at the beginning, I agree that in general, we should shut up. I was only ever querying part of the title, not the article's message as a whole.<br />
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Why do you assume that me writing a brief comment on an article means that I have unlimited time? More to the point, why would I spend time on this? I'm not helping anything. I spend most of my time on Facebook trying to make comments that encourage people to consider giving to those in developing countries, and to have more compassion for migrants. Why spend time here being criticised by someone who's angry with presumptions they've made about me? Eg, "I know that your expectations for behavior do not apply evenly across the board" how do you know? You've only read a few sentences from me, and you're imagining me to be like other people you've encountered, even though we're in different cultures. I didn't tell you to "be nice about racism", I don't care about white people finding things "palatable", I only care about unnecessarily moving some people a millimeter in the wrong direction along the racism continuum (not that those people have any excuse, obviously), and I'm bemused as to why you're so keen to argue about that.<br />
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He calls Himself our Father, Jesus calls Him father. To call Him mother because it makes you feel better is wrong. We need to dig deeper into understanding Him, not call Him what we want to think of Him as.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Finews.co.uk%2Fopinion%2Fcomment%2Fwe-never-want-to-return-to-the-days-of-section-28%2F%3Futm_source%3Dfb%26utm_medium%3Dfb%26utm_campaign%3Dijp%26fbclid%3DIwAR1bRpI3OIjG23MJkB6-XnwWQlF3c5_Ye2cROmYSp02lhss2PURviKezgDw&h=AT3ZVAvE0jGn-D6ar1YoA3MMdE8ANZRxQ5vVqgdIbcikoMa6N69pVbX9noVR4uxVcYDXDgDs2pz0hoTquQC20hDqoFOn64zeUbVOFvpKPFeFz6RJQK5YpmKAOhWvOWRTGPMB9A" href="https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/we-never-want-to-return-to-the-days-of-section-28/?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=ijp&fbclid=IwAR1bRpI3OIjG23MJkB6-XnwWQlF3c5_Ye2cROmYSp02lhss2PURviKezgDw" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">‘We never want to return to the days of Section 28’: these are the faith organisations supporting same-sex education in schools</span></a><br />
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The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - that's distinct from simply having gay orientation, and either way, the Bible makes it clear that no one should be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . [etc]</div>
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<i>So what? By all means, don't have gay sex if you don't want to. But keep your proselytising away from here please.</i></div>
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How are you defining proselytising? This is Facebook, we all comment on things, and I commented in relation to this article. I'm not expecting anyone to do as I say, as with any commet online, it's discussion.</div>
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<i>Your special book is meaningless. No magic sky daddy exists smh</i></div>
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have you misunderstood my original comment? Leviticus makes clear that gay sex is sin, and Paul reaffirms this later (in contrast with many Levitical laws) - but Jesus, as I wrote,saved a woman from being stoned for sexual sin, and told her to go and sin no more. All of us have sinned, even if never seually, and Jesus offers each of us forgiveness if we turn to Him. He made clear that we should treat others with compassion and love - so we shouldn't support sex that God has warned against, but to be Christian (countless people have misused that word) means being loving to people themselves whatever they've done.<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Your special book is meaningless. No magic sky daddy exists smh</span></span></i> </div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I never mentioned a sky daddy. Obviously, I encounter that phrase all the time - but it demonstrates that you've misunderstood what I mean by God. The "special book" has sold many more copies, and had far more influence, than any other book in history - but it's extremely complex (in particular, it's not a straightforward book, it's a compilation of 66 texts with entirely varied contexts and purposes) and has often been misused. I'm not expecting you to believe it - but this article is about people who supposedly already do. And I wonder, how much have you looked at the academic arguments for God's existence, and for the historicity of the Bible?</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Sod this I'm going on grindr to hook up. Stupid fake bible ya nonsense jesus and your imaginary god</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Why do you think that the Bible is fake, that Jesus is nonsense or that God is imaginary?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Not exactly - firstly, I'm well aware that there are many people sharing those traits with you; secondly, "grinding my gears" suggests that I'm annoyed or angry, which I'm not at all. I believe that God is awesome and it seems heartbreaking that people ignore Him, so I'm saddened/concerned for you (huge apologies that that sounds patronising, I'm struggling to find better words); but that's a very different emotion to anger.</span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Gay people, animals etc. have always been in existence whereas the guy in the sky was invented. Education needs to focus on giving a good grounding for life, nothing more, and definitely not on religious mumbo jumbo.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Obviously, I see this dogma repared endlessly - that God was made up - but why exactly do you believe that?<br />BTW, I wasn't suggesting anything about "religious mumbo jumbo" being taught, and everyone needs to reach their own conclusions based on the evidence. However, teaching kids about how God has told us to live, to care for others, avoid violence, eschew materialism etc, is no bad thing.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span> <br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I know many christians think that's progressive Christian thinking (my father believes this) but to classify love between consenting adults as sinful isn't progressive at all. The Bible was written 2000 years ago when what was the norm in same sex relationships was not consentual love. Study what it meant in Roman and Greek times. Plus sodom and gomorrah is more to do with the whole wanting to gang rape visitors. That isn't the same as a loving same sex relationship. Lgbt people aren't fans of gang rape and abuse either. I grew up in the church, I'm gay and I'm still undoing the harm done by this type of thinking.A friendly reminder that the bible wasn't too keen on priests being married either but protestant priests were happy to reevaluate that belief. Don't condemn others to a life of celibacy unless you think you would endure the same applied to you and who you consentually love.</span></span></i> <br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I absolutely don't deem Sodom and Gomorrah as a reason, I'm well aware that that was about rape. The Bible doesn't oppose married priests - the Catholic Church instituted this centuries later, wrongly, but Paul earlier wrote that it would be ideal for people to be single, yet since most people would be overcome with lust, it was right for people to get married.<br />I'm not condemning anyone, just commenting, having looked at this topic extensively - including the argument about relationships being different in Greek and Roman culture, in fact the words used the Bible don't refer to those relationships, but specifically refer to same sex sex. And I do - live celibate. But I can't stress enough, I'm not judging, just commenting (ie, I don't feel judgmental/negatively towards people, I'm only commenting on an action). <br />As I said, I'm a sinner in need of God's forgiveness and help; and He loves everyone, even whilst He calls us to stop certain actions.</span></span> <br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Oh where in the Bible does it explicity say Gay sex is a sin? ... Its says "love thy neighbour" not stone them to death because they are different to you...</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Have you misunderstood my original comment? Leviticus makes clear that gay sex is sin, and Paul reaffirms this later (in contrast with many Levitical laws) - but Jesus, as I wrote, saved a woman from being stoned for sexual sin, and told her to go and sin no more. All of us have sinned, even if never sexually, and Jesus offers each of us forgiveness if we turn to Him. He made clear that we should treat others with compassion and love - so we shouldn't support sex that God has warned against, but to be Christian (countless people have misused that word) means being loving to people themselves whatever they've done.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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I'm in the UK, so although I've tried to find out about "purity culture", I'm somewhat out of the loop. From where I'm standing, this headline looks concerning - in itself, purity is obviously something that God calls us to. If some people have used it as an excuse to be unloving to others, we need to each draw closer to God and know that His forgiveness is what matters, not others' opinions; we s<span class="text_exposed_show">houldn't rebel to such an extent that we demonise purity itself and pretend that premarital sex is morally virtuous. Seeing Nadia Boltz Webber with her vagina sculpture made of melted purity rings was sickening. Jesus offers each of us salvation when we turn to Him from things that we shouldn't have been doing (obviously I'm not just referring to sex) and we should be ever marvelling at that truth, rather than trying to counter the judgementalism of others by celebrating things that God has advised against.</span><br />
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Some individuals within Oxfam did; but it's an enormous organisation saving scores of lives. That so many want to stop donating because the actions of several staff who aren't even part of Oxfam anymore is gross cruelty to the world's poorest people.<br />
Having said that, there are many awesome organisations doing the same work, so one could give to one of those instead, but Oxfam charity shops (inc via their website) are the best place to buy anything - it's utterly thrilling how much of a difference our money can make <span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
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I'm not denying that what she did was beyond awful - but people laughing at her misery and that tiny children died is gross.</div>
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Our media almost ignores Africa. It's as though some people think that people with the darkest skin, in the poorest countries are less human. It's horrifying.<br />
Yet what's thrilling, is that when we donate to charities working with the world's very poorest people, it makes many times more of a difference than anything we can spend our money on here. For example, Feed The Hungry UK (obvs. one of many awesome organisations working in the crisis area) can provide food for a family for a month for £15. Many people will have spent that amount, or far more, on a takeaway or booze tonight - I wish that more people were aware of the incomparably more exciting ways that we can spend.</div>
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I really, really don't mean to sound unsympathetic - but I can't stop thinking about how the children dying simply from lack of clean water or adequate food are in fact no less human and precious than Maddie; thousands of them could have been saved from a slow and painful death with the money that's been spent on this investigation.<br />
We ourselves, though we haven't £millions can save a child by, for example, sponsoring for the cost equivalent of one takeaway per month - that's thrilling, and we should focus on that rather than constantly being shown sad articles about Maddie.</div>
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Jesus offers eternal life - why would the Pope not want Muslims to be offered that?<br />
*NB, I am, of course, not at all condoning forced "conversions", only that people are presented with information to make their own choices.<br />
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As a Christian, it does indeed frustrate me when companies mock so repulsively, but I try not to think about it - what actually matters though, is that most people never seriously examine the historical case for the resurrection. We'll all die some day, and eternal life is being offered to each person by the one who defeated death, but most people presume it to be fictional without actually looking into it themselves. <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2vFOvR1EAO6iiHQ7oYDyCyn9ywKY-TfV15fN_lLV2VY8B1yJ1tDTfA91Q&h=AT3rqNTKIgCDUdEadRmxaEtah4zOH2QE91T1rlYsgRi5lCxT7FoZTj7qd6ACUehFAX73D4qZiw68mStWDnO2XpUic9u9IH1n4CPXQIpnmlTKw3p9BRcurIReE9fcNbnpi-yvbN9t" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection</a></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">the reason people don’t seriously examine the resurrection is precisely because there is no historical evidence it ever happened.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Y</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">ou're proving my point. You're making presumptions having not looked.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">So basically if we dont agree with you, we are proving your point? Right-ee-o</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, the comments simply presume that there are no arguments for the resurrection, demonstrating that people haven't looked. It might be that someone has lookedat the topic and queries the arguments for the resurrection such that they believe it didn't happen, but the above comments don't address any part of the topic, they simply mock it</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">.</span></span> </div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HRsapHKT1FQ/XNOCTlPI5aI/AAAAAAAAAwg/EguzmWNFzn8ay-yfYal08VEwql5II10kQCLcBGAs/s1600/portrait-five-adorable-golden-retriever-puppies_53876-64780.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="304" data-original-width="626" height="155" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HRsapHKT1FQ/XNOCTlPI5aI/AAAAAAAAAwg/EguzmWNFzn8ay-yfYal08VEwql5II10kQCLcBGAs/s320/portrait-five-adorable-golden-retriever-puppies_53876-64780.jpg" width="320" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">not at all.. I went to Roman Catholic convent schools my whole childhood and researched over a number of years after.<br />No actual conclusive evidence whatsoever. Seeing as Christianity was established a few hundred years after the event and was mostly designed as a control mechanism to galvanise fractured peoples and other religious groups of the time.<br />It’s mostly conjecture and speculation. No actual evidence of Jesus Christ himself, no evidence of crucifixion or the resurrection.<br />It’s why it’s called faith as you don’t need evidence to believe it. <br />I’m honestly not trolling you, but you are insinuating the bible as fact when in fact it’s a lot of bits and pieces (mostly unsubstantiated) put together 100’s of years after and then translated (badly) depending on the needs of the church at the time, to create the book that you read now.</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I certainly don't simply presume the Bible to be fact. From what I've heard of convents, they build up resentment and don't seriously explore apologetics. How/where did you research? How can you be certain that "no evidence exists whatsoever"? What if you've just not encountered it yet?<br />Why do you think that Christiaity was established centuries after the events?<br />If you think I'm deluded, wy waste time with this thread?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Which story in the bible is the correct one? They all disagree about what happened so which one is correct? If the bible is supposed to be the perfect word of God why can't it get its most important story straight?</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Which disagreements are you specifically referring to? BTW, I honestly don't have time for an endless discussion, as interesting as this is.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How long was jesus "dead", how many people were at his tomb and when, where was the rock that sealed the tomb and many other contradictory stories. You'd know about them if you'd actually read your bible</span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">You think I don't read the Bible? Why?<br />The Gospels tell us about the same accounts from different perspectives - were the events all an elaborate lie, those propagating it would likely have put forward identical false testimonies, so I'm not sure why you think that the Gospels not being identical means that the events didn't happen. The differences are the minor differences in use of language that we'd expect when different people recount events. So, for example, you asked how many people were at the tomb, but there's no reason to presume that each Gospel writer intended their list to be exhaustive. So Mark mentions Mary Magdalene, Mary (James' mother), & Salome, Matthew mentions just the Marys and John mentions just Mary Magdalene - because different people describe things in differing detail depending on what they deem relevant.<br />Jesus was crucified on Friday and found to have risen very early on Sunday, obviously, the Gospels don't disagree about that, nor about the stone having been rolled away..</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I’ve been to the church of the nativity in Bethlehem and seen the manger/cave where He was born, I’ve touched the empty tomb at the church of resurrection, I’ve been to the Olive Garden where He was betrayed and I’ve walked the stations of the cross, I’ve also been blessed by the Pope on a separate occasion, and I’ve still not heard one convincing argument to believe in the bible other than the 10 commandments basically being a guide to not being a dickhead. I have a faith but the bible is pretty much full of fanciful tales designed to control the (at the time) uneducated masses.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">W</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hy would visiting those sites, or being blessed by the Pope, in any way mean that your understanding of the history would be all that there is? Apologies if that sounded rude. <br />Why do you think that the Bible's events were designed to control people? How wo</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">uld the resurrection narrative, (and Jesus' words that belief in Him - NOT actions nor money - is what determines eternal life) control people?</span></span><br />
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Prosperity "gospel", for those unfamiliar with it, is not Gospel at all. If he exists, Satan is behind it.<br />
And God is very, very angry about some of Trump's stances, given that He urges us throughout the Bible to care for the poor and for migrants (as well as, obviously, to be humble, honest, and to avoid lust.<br />
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I'm seriously worried that this mess will make some people more unsympathetic and distrusting when they hear about genuine acts of discrimination.</div>
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There needs to be a distinction made between institutions and beliefs. Actual Christianity, by definition, is to love and want to emulate Jesus - and throughout history, people have called themselves Christians to appear noble whilst not actually following Jesus at all. Church abuse scandals demonstrate this taken to the extreme, with entangled power hierarchies and corruption. There needs, obviously, to be drastic action to counter abuse - but it's not logical to reject Jesus because of the actions of perverted human beings.<br />
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It's nothing to do with "religion", she was just appropriating and mocking Church, entirely ignoring the concept of what prayer actually is.<br />
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I know that most people reading this think that the idea of God is laughable - but He does provide help in dealing with the questions of despair she asks. (Of course, that in itself is not a reason to believe in Him - there are reasons to actually conclude that his existence is true). The scene was a tragic irony - hinging on traditions of Catholicism that are outside of Jesus' teaching.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">good use of the No True Scottsman fallacy.<br />But a fallacy nonetheless.<br />They are Christian.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I encounter this constantly. No, it's not the NTS fallacy. The point of the NTS is that one assumes that all of those of a certain unchosen identity will make certain choices. In reality, being Scottish is not a choice or belief system, so it's a fallacy to presume that it would determine choices about other things or actions. Being a Christian is entirely different fro being of any given heritage, it means, by definition, that a person has chosen to follow Christ. This WILL impact future decisions and behaviours.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">according to you? In the Bible killing is condoned if is by mandate, also is permited in cases of apostasy, if a woman it's not a virgin, if a person plant two different seeds on the same field, if a brother don't want to marry the widow, if someone work on the Sabat, if someone is blasphemous. Also slavery is also acceptable by biblical standards so is treating a person according to the place they are born and I can keep mentioning stuff that says in the bible.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Have you entirely ignored what I said? Christianity is to follow Christ. The Old Testament has commands given to specific people, at a specific time, for complex reasons, which I honestly don't have time to go into detail about right now, I have work to do, and there are plenty of articles that do explain those odd commands if you're willing to read (and BTW, those commands don't include killing for apostasy, you seem to be thinking of Islam). God showed us how He actually wants us to live in Jesus.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Something funny you guys are saying is that the New Testament null the old Testament when Jesus itself call to respect the law. More over in many ocations in the New Testament talk about obeying the old law.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"YOU guys still killing in the name of God today"? No, I'm not, what evidence have you that anyone on this thread is? "Witch Trials, the Inquisition, Invasions, pillaging, the crusades, the Holocaust" were NOT today, and as we've said, were carried out by people who weren't actually following Christ. Attacks on minorities also, go against what Jesus taught, so what point are you trying to make?</span></span><br />
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But how do you define "religion"? It's endlessly varied. Throughout history, people have claimed to be following religion whilst simply acting out their greed, since claiming to be religious might make them appear more noble to those around them. But "What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself fro<span class="text_exposed_show">m being corrupted by the world." (James 1:27).<br />If people genuinely tried to live by Jesus' teachings and example (which is what Christianity actually is, it isn't simply to re-enact anything recorded in the Bible), society would be massively improved. And research repeatedly finds that people who follow God have greater life satisfaction.<br />But more to the point - has this philosopher, or others reading, looked at the rationale of academic Christians for actually concluding the Gospel to be true? What if Jesus actually is offering something beyond this lifetime?</span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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Why start there? Why would you expect to make sense, with your human mind, of the creator of ll matter, including the atoms of which your mind is comprised? Why not start by looking at the rationale of academic Christians for actually concluding the Gospel to be true?</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">The porn industry has a seriously detrimental impact on peoples' lives. Sexual assault is becoming rapidly more common because some people feel that what they see on screen is normal- including children <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffightthenewdrug.org%2Fhow-porn-fuels-child-on-child-sex-attacks%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2GnlpZMVRb0mnhFFwzFNXEmzb5GKUlwTCFIKRg9MRZgz6uqYXCmDkhSCE&h=AT1H78S8KJZ5AhDiFHhWirxNaevFNnF7SbqbIGfyfR9WrtMvhHvdW0WtplrmQKgxnwmtJ16vBtk7LdSOF0q7vFKIcobNsal6UluPTAW8hLNyhJ9e9_sJQ1LjVwJSXmtpKpw4" href="http://fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-fuels-child-on-child-sex-attacks/?fbclid=IwAR2GnlpZMVRb0mnhFFwzFNXEmzb5GKUlwTCFIKRg9MRZgz6uqYXCmDkhSCE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-fuels-child-on-child.../</a><br />Some porn performers have been trafficked into the industry, and or are grossly abused within it. Girls are increasingly pressured by boyfriends into sex acts that they're uncomfortable with, as well as being made to feel that their bodies are inadequate. People addicted to porn can have their lives and relationships ruined. The industry does too much harm to be worth defending. There are more than enough other things to watch.</span></span><br />
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Indeed - yet there's been remarkably little coverage, as though some people think that people in developing countries are less human. It's horrifying.<br />
<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oWYlvD1YCoM/XNOCyqjpZvI/AAAAAAAAAws/QaCgQur8DCEJWugjnadoeTJhzKIAhO--QCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-598966.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="393" data-original-width="500" height="251" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oWYlvD1YCoM/XNOCyqjpZvI/AAAAAAAAAws/QaCgQur8DCEJWugjnadoeTJhzKIAhO--QCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-598966.jpeg" width="320" /></a>Yet what's thrilling, is that when we donate to charities working with the world's very poorest people, it makes many times more of a difference than anything we can spend our money on here. For example, <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=146534838701616&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBVGYoapv9xAtry4C_YpeFv0C-nIX1W7rjRdnbnnWb4Sg16UH4jjc6FMHRKW5ps70Cn9P9GbVwc-ABR%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/fthuk/?eid=ARBVGYoapv9xAtry4C_YpeFv0C-nIX1W7rjRdnbnnWb4Sg16UH4jjc6FMHRKW5ps70Cn9P9GbVwc-ABR&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry UK</a> (obvs. one of many awesome organisations working in the crisis area) can provide food for a family for a month for £15. Many people will have spent that amount, or far more, on a takeaway or booze tonight - I wish that more people were aware of the incomparably more exciting ways that we can spend.</div>
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I have felt so, so strongly for ages that its bizarre that my fellow young lefties are incomparably more energised about environmentalism than about the world's very poorest and most oppressed human beings. I'm not unconcerned about the planet, but what actually matters is ending human suffering, yet no one's marching about that.</div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">why has God made the world so horrible, do you think? What’s his plan?</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Have you asked Him? Don't we have free will?<br />Ultimately, His plan is that those who want to will spend eternity with Him. It will make the horrible things of this world seem momentary, and those horrible things will be gone. <br />Evidently, when there are no horrible things, human beings are more inclined to ignore, reject God, so that we out ourselves on course to miss out on that awesome-beyond-words potential future, and the existence of things that some would consider horrible sometimes results in good things, by all sorts of means. For example, a disability might be considered horrible, yet many of those who have them bring a unique joy to others and the greatest bonds to their families. Many "horrible" events draw people closer together, creating friend and family relationships that are more wonderful than a problem-free life would be. Consider Sliding Doors - fiction, but it illustrates well that what seems to us to be horrible could in fact be necessary for some better outcome, even though we never realise it. <br />A toddler will think it horrible when they have a needle stuck into them, their parent knows that it's a vaccination that's entirely necessary - God is incomparably more knowledgable than we are, so whilst a parent can know of reasons a toddler doesn't, God can know of reasons that we don't.</span></span><br />
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">why should he? He lost his mum as a child, has learning disabilities and many celebs richer than him. Its his money he can do with it wat he wants.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I respect him himself, I'd comment the same about any super rich individual. Being rich is primarily down to luck, and it's painfully unfair that some people are so stupendously lucky whilst other people - who are innocent and have in fact done far, far more hard work (such as long days of farming in Africa) have to suffer beyond anything we can imagine from hunger, grief, cholera etc. It's thrilling how much of a difference we can make to the lives of the most disadvantaged people - providing homes for dozens of people who've just had theirs swept away by the cyclone would be incomparably more exciting than having lots of spare rooms. <br />But the rest of us are very wealthy compared to the Global average, even if far, far less wealthy than celebrities, simply because we happen to have born into the UK where almost everyone has a warm, dry home, television, our choice of food and clothes, state provision of healthcare/education/police - and so much more. We have the privilege of seriously helping others who, for example, are starving but can be fed by us giving around £5 per month.</span></span></div>
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Surely many people can't afford to "pull their kids out of public school"? And how will there be hope of effective voices against ^this among the forthcoming generation if they're entirely segregated from their peers? Surely parents should talk with their children about why these^ things are wrong, so that they grow up well equipped to stand firm in our messy world?<br />
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Why do you refer to people as Christians when they're clearly not trying to live for Christ? Christian means little Christ, clearly these people aren't in love with and trying to emulate Christ, therefore they are not Christian. Anyone can refer to themselves as anything, it doesn't mean that they necessarily are, and that we should endorse their erroneous missuse of a word. Trump calls himself a genius, but I doubt that you'd call him a genius - so why simply agree to the self declaration of these^ people^?</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The epithet "Christian" was created by people in Antioch to refer to those who talked about the "Anointed One" (Christos). It's only used 3 times in the New Testament. Those in the New Testament Church, "The Way," called themselves disciples and saints instead.</span></span> </i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Where are you getting the idea that the word refers to - potentially uncommitted - people who merely talk about Jesus? Acts19:26 "The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch"<br />It was a term of mockery, I'm well aware that they called themselves followers of The Way and saints; why would they not use for themselves a name that's inspiring rather than one that was derisory at the time?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Look up the logical fallacy "No True Scotsman"</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I encounter this constantly. No, it's not the NTS fallacy. The point of the NTS is that one assumes that all of those of a certain unchosen identity will make certain choices. In reality, being Scottish is not a choice or belief system, so it's a fallacy to presume that it would determine choices about other things or actions. Being a Christian is entirely different fro being of any given heritage, it means, by definition, that a person has chosen to follow Christ. This WILL impact future decisions and behaviours.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">NB, contrary to popular misconception, the Bible doesn't say that people in hell will suffer there for eternity - its flames are eternal, not its inhabitants. Fire destroys. And the Bible makes clear that EVERYONE is offered forgiveness, ie not to end up in hell; it's a place for those who choose to reject God's offer of eternal life.<br />It seems odd to me that whilst the most well known verse, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." implies that it's only those who choose to be with Christ who'll exist eternally, yet many people assume that hell is "eternal conscious torment" as though God would continue to sustain the existence of people purely to hurt them. But it's a bigger topic - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Frethinkinghell.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0QLb4zYqHEq1w4phqOwWw5S3dqu_6yJhDC4QS3woYWeFqesT7hg-gj8Qo&h=AT2F7l1Xq3cPLwTFD6szqCYVju3LupijFLQJjXWpFFVy7s42J2N_rHJAS3q4uYhba54RJb1pmfC2DSCTVbwX6xXtYpmcIamdkE9zl78qlQXBWbidgnwcJmMKCyASzHOk5Exo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://rethinkinghell.com/</a> is interesting.<br />Crucially, "The Lord.. is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)</span></span></div>
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But contrary to <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=167115176655082&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARCGKPOnhEiVsbrBWvwd91wxe0lj8aW07xFJ6iDiaik7Cjw_Rv_QgNHF-xU9RnGF6Y5b5vGCXcrvRj1l%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/VICE/?eid=ARCGKPOnhEiVsbrBWvwd91wxe0lj8aW07xFJ6iDiaik7Cjw_Rv_QgNHF-xU9RnGF6Y5b5vGCXcrvRj1l&fref=tag">VICE</a>'s tragic delusion, we don't actually need to masturbate nor have sex. You spend most of your time trying to convince everyone that they urgently need something which in fact will cause a lot of people pain.<br />
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Indeed, Cosmo is a scourge on society. Although just throwing them away won't help - kids also need to be very gently told that the reason not to read Cosmo is that it's evil and that it hurts people. If kids just things taken away from them in a harsh manner and without explanation, they'll just seek out more vices and learn to hide them better.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2Fwjpzdb%2Fporn-stars-reveal-the-secret-to-massive-cum-shots%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbus%26fbclid%3DIwAR1ANguVM-1Pi8RlHQypDbY4DS1io2Re2a2tiY64s3u2-LRHPT8nL8NjGjA&h=AT2V-6Ygyf1T98q57rCnNUSGXr2PiaTIsuZTBGZrX1mEdRh7-nrBCaY4vx-BbC20kc3g4aHOK4DjVxM9Agk3AH2JRvvZpLFi-L-Ij7d0Hlm9nofxvVu0RKvbDbJy-R3lJrivOQ" href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjpzdb/porn-stars-reveal-the-secret-to-massive-cum-shots?utm_source=vicefbus&fbclid=IwAR1ANguVM-1Pi8RlHQypDbY4DS1io2Re2a2tiY64s3u2-LRHPT8nL8NjGjA" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Porn Stars Reveal the Secret to Massive Cum Shots</span></a><br />
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This^ was vile the first time you posted it, and posting it repeatedly doesn't make it any better. If for some reason, we wanted to read about the most disgusting aspects of sex imaginable, we'd be on porn sites, but you *sometimes*produce excellent journalism - why not stick to the <span class="text_exposed_show">latter?<br />You have a thrilling platform to discuss serious issues - like the disaster in Africa that's affecting millions of people - which don't get enough coverage from our mainstream media which seems to care little about the world's most disadvantaged people. Raising awareness can inspire us to support charities that are even saving lives, as well as to be more grateful for what we have. Yet here you are, yet again, posting about ejaculation.</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebridgehead.ca%2F2019%2F01%2F07%2Ftheres-a-reason-leftists-throw-more-violent-temper-tantrums%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0sivolniY7-kYrQpfx7lANhp9VOkArllChVHpDBuC18-eggtF2FNuFWSI&h=AT2XnL-gOHp8dtebGdpFLnWzEV-0mTOsyQuk_azIkAELk_cZX4HEDO82bUMsMgvdV70YCKWJnde76Xr0K7Q1zuIitKW12eKuYqnTRgpvYXsUlgNBT2Pq-xDewtDXV5stHJcKHw" href="https://thebridgehead.ca/2019/01/07/theres-a-reason-leftists-throw-more-violent-temper-tantrums/?fbclid=IwAR0sivolniY7-kYrQpfx7lANhp9VOkArllChVHpDBuC18-eggtF2FNuFWSI" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">There’s a reason leftists throw more violent temper tantrums</span></a><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">More violent than what? The right have perpetuated more violence, not least in Charlottesville, and in Christchurch. But I'm well aware that most on the right have nothing to do with those extremists and their actions, in turn it can't be presumed that "the left" is just one amalgam. We need to carefully address each issue if we're going to make progress in reducing support for abortion etc.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">not so. What about the 150 Christians murdered by muslims in Nigeria in the last week. Just because the media chose to ignore it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.</span></span> </i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">one cannot underestimate the number of people who have been slaughtered since the seventh century in the name of Allah.</span></span></i></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">left socialism is not christianity and never will be! And is destroying true freedom!</span></span></i></div>
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I really, really don't want to seem uncaring to her parents - but thousands of children die each day because they lack clean water and food. The money spent on Maddy would save thousands of lives how is it OK to spend it on a single child who probably won't be found?</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I do have compassion for thm, I'd not say this to them if I met them, I'm just expressing opinion here. It isn't them that I'm crticising, I'm blaming those who decided that so much money should be allocated to this case, since £ are so limited.</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Because its British money to find a British child. Not funding with a shelf life, so idiots like you can send it off to the third world</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Why is it idiotic to care about human beings who are living, and dying, in unimaginable suffering because they weren't privileged enough to be born in a wealthy country? Why do we deserve so much more than them? Much of our nation's wealth is the result of centuries of exploitation of other nations, which is still going on - see; <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0zzdJkBVNK2GY8xJ5Bx7tE-Urugj8IwI-8y94fwL4l5wdyOWFAk_yImSk&h=AT0E8tX3gPSbCtDfMj4ecmv5_A6wyl4AOPwYUM1-d67jHmj1Kgp1a6Aycgl4W1W_h6wAjgIxW2R-Eg6TLL5uDO6q7MwaBTqevhkOd4Dg1mZ38NsbTEOuzfQqTPMzcwMF1TyH" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR0zzdJkBVNK2GY8xJ5Bx7tE-Urugj8IwI-8y94fwL4l5wdyOWFAk_yImSk" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a><br />How can you think that it's logical to let thousands die because money that would have saved them is spent on an investigation for just one person?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If your child was missing and you had there resources...would you turn it down to save kids from lack of fresh water????</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I'm not a parent, but even if I were, I can't imagine putting the vague possibility (it seems stupidly unlikely after all these years) of finding my child over the lives of thousands of children. But that's not the point, I'm not blaming the parents for the amount spent, I'm blaming those within the police force that have made the decisions - presumably they like to just keep working on the same case.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">if your speaking for the likes of africa THEN NO the money shouldnt be given to them AFRICA is a bloidy rich country. Let them deal with their own ffs!! Why not take their government to thr world cpurts due to genocide of their people? Nope lets just fling then millions!! Take care of our own. Perhaps that the attitude the african goverment need to adapt ans stop looking for handouts</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">A rich country? It isn't even a country, it's a continent. Rich by what statistics? In Sub Saharan Africa, 40% of people live below the poverty line - ie, on less than £1.43 per day - (though this is down from 60% below the poverty line several decades ago, since aid and the ingenuity of African people has enabled progress). Africa was rich with natural resources - and for centuries nations like ours have thus been grossly exploiting it. And check this out - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0tEq9hY5c2uHO4V1cHHRwEKGu0pk1Hnb3avviUj82R956NeTpuoiXD9UU&h=AT1iYXRa1S3Je8jFk9Ga9lv-GKzXQR8vvkHjtorHe40qPhmoAnocMpic96z_0G_gXMpLDNoE0NitjWCrAlUcP2CsUzyHDp8GrQl6VSPPSMPirdOE_Brn_1kFRYNGZzHAInJz" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR0tEq9hY5c2uHO4V1cHHRwEKGu0pk1Hnb3avviUj82R956NeTpuoiXD9UU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a><br />Indeed, there are many corrupt leaders in Africa - we should have concern for the populace there, it's not their fault that they've been born under the rule of tyrants. It was the colonialism that nations like ours imposed which led to developing countries having corrupt leaders (such as by paying the nastiest individuals in Africa to entrap and enslave other Africans; and by leaving the people so desperate that they later fell for the lies selfish politicians). And when many people grow up malnourished and forced to miss school to carry water/gather crops/be married as teenagers - or can't afford/access school - how are enough of them to acquire the ability to remove and replace their corrupt politicians? Does our government do things that you disagree with? Should you be deemed responsible, in the way that you've just held impoverished people responsible for the actions of their governments?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">my question for the third world country all that money that we raise every year wheres it going how many years a have we been donated when is the clean water coming i 1960s been adverts for them poor people</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">A huge difference has been made, the fact that poverty's not resolved yet doesn't mean that here's not been exciting progress. Given that the amount we give is such a tiny, tiny proportion of national income (Foreign Aid is 0.7% GDP - and our corporations take far more than this from developing countries), it's not surprising that impoverished nations have not yet been lifted from poverty entirely, but the data shows that there's been significant change- <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development%2Fdatablog%2F2015%2Fjul%2F06%2Fwhat-millennium-development-goals-achieved-mdgs%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR01psIwDrNYs3n9XnUlkhv-PNhrgmWhTuXGQbEsHav5XILEnro7IHeYf9o&h=AT2qFV0sgv3MZD8vgtksNRuYFG1dkm64CBiMHvlELgZtQWSVudJgDEWlN7WCbMt6HJbd4qqitUpnN0otoGroo4sYcVn-Vmo16ukyjkKNHYg-N53jABKqDfh1W4XXmYEEAZMl" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/datablog/2015/jul/06/what-millennium-development-goals-achieved-mdgs?fbclid=IwAR01psIwDrNYs3n9XnUlkhv-PNhrgmWhTuXGQbEsHav5XILEnro7IHeYf9o" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/.../what-millennium...</a></span></span><br />
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There's more than enough in the media trying to make us feel ugly, thankyou - why are you showing us this^?<br />
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Here in the UK, there's been tonnes of coverage of the NZ attack (obviously, that was an abhorrent tragedy that should have some coverage) and almost no coverage of the cyclone on Mozambique which has killed around 20x as many people, and left 10x more homeless. It's always like this - we ignore Africa, and it infuriates me. It's as though our media bosses just don't believe that African people are as human as others, which is sickening beyond words. It's particularly tragic because Africa's poverty is the fault of our nations; and because if we donate to well run charities in Africa, we can make far, far, far more difference $for$ than we can in our own countries.<br />
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It's horrendous. Why should the world's poorest people, lacking healthcare; living in slums etc miss out on potential donations because of an MP's race baiting?<br />
Having said that, I donate to charities working in developing countries themselves, rather than <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=34341434454&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARCrWtfhps1qsRrn39soRvGKNoBmaNsmGnRQHZHDm7pYKu7pOb1_DEEMIo2XJVKg0Uv1XaBvoy3tXyNl%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/comicrelief/?eid=ARCrWtfhps1qsRrn39soRvGKNoBmaNsmGnRQHZHDm7pYKu7pOb1_DEEMIo2XJVKg0Uv1XaBvoy3tXyNl&fref=tag">Comic Relief: Red Nose Day</a> since it splits it's funds between the UK and the 3d world, and I'd rather that all of my donations go to the world's very most disadvantaged people. And £ for £, far, far more of a difference can be made when we give to charities working in the poorest parts of the world- it's utterly thrilling how much each donation can do <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" role="presentation" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png" width="16" /></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">India isn’t a third world country any more. It seems all our outsourced business sits there - so many people here out of work because it’s cheaper to set call centres up in India. We are fast becoming the country that will need aid soon.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">There are many people in India in poverty far worse than anyone here, and it's those people who charities help. And consider this - <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Findepth%2Fopinion%2Fbritain-stole-45-trillion-india-181206124830851.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3n7rHHEciCl8pTozuAd5GviGtVTqfQqOz9QuIheLncrSU2rZvD_lFCBDg&h=AT3fM8dRQ7BAOrLkPJvScyjUGlfhgWrO6uCSV0Dh3ENC9Lljd5Et0B17603beCCg-fXNVIfWtKAwzPQS0YR-mBGxA95oofWc9tGvD0c4cYr-QirOZiRKhmvl0SjeVHdpbllT" href="https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-stole-45-trillion-india-181206124830851.html?fbclid=IwAR3n7rHHEciCl8pTozuAd5GviGtVTqfQqOz9QuIheLncrSU2rZvD_lFCBDg" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.aljazeera.com/.../britain-stole-45-trillion...</a></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I said to an indian ,oh indias a poor country and he said to me no its not ,its a very rich country but its got poorer people just like you have in uk , the problem is corruption and lack of education caused by the corruption , india even said they do not need nor want uk money</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"charity begins at home" - why? I hear it all the time, but it's not a statement of fact, or a logical argument, it's a slogan people use to try to avoid admitting that they think of people like them as far more important than those of other races. Why not do as much as possible to reduce suffering? That means helping the people whose agony is most severe; helping the people with fewest opportunities; and helping the people for whom, £ for £, donations make the most difference. Indeed, far, far more should be done to help the homeless here - but in war torn and developing countries, people could only dream of access to food banks; shelters; job centres; welfare state benefits and the NHS. And we can make a huge difference - educating a child in a developing country, for example, costs roughly 1/10th of what educating a child costs here. For the amount that many of us would spend on a meal out, tools or a goat (to milk) could be provided to make a family in one of the poorest parts of the world far more able to support themselves. Just £4 can feed a starving child for a month. Why would we not?<br />Consider also, that our home country is far, far wealthier than most because of centuries of exploitation and injustice, which is ongoing. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3g3xg9_ZX5fahmPSzmhYjQ6L23X8Wss8zDNx7jLumDRrCSz33uMLPRPUg&h=AT2buysmctHjOSbP12H7RDjVIi6_r0_NiP9IBDLyhr0DkFvWSkkmYw3RFI1O68an0J8CxkVpa0n1eSEA9C6gUaPJRlEdcWaeaTRt9aQ-5-OdJ779GiEJXV_ksMuBlBeWFFac" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR3g3xg9_ZX5fahmPSzmhYjQ6L23X8Wss8zDNx7jLumDRrCSz33uMLPRPUg" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> <i>I am not saying countries that need assistance should not have it - I am, however, saying is too much of our business is outsourced to India. House and feed the homeless & hungry here, help the families below the poverty level in the U.K. </i><i>- why are so many children going to school without breakfast, why is their main meal a school lunch, why are elderly people on state pensions of £141 per week.cant keep pouring money into other countries</i></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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Seriously, why does Vice feel the need not only to post this, but to repost it endlessly? And why use a stockphoto that is clearly inaccurate? What proportion of the public do you suppose this^ information applies to? Are you in fact exploiting trans people for the curiosity of readers?<br />
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Thankyou for posting this. We all too easily forget how incredibly fortunate we are, and that there's suffering beyond anything we can imagine in nations left ravaged by the coloinialism and multinational corruption that's made our nations wealthy.<br />
Thrillingly, when we donate to the charities that are able to reach these people, an astonishing difference can made, buying far, far more per $ than our money can at home.<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - thus, since a couple choosing to marry suggests that their relationship is sexual, it's logical for bishops not to endorse it.<br />
However, it is grossly unChristlike to actually mistreat any individual. Action is distinct from orientation (ie, the Bible says nothing about simply having gay orientation); and either way, the Bible makes it clear tha<span class="text_exposed_show">t Christians have a duty to care for others. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be compassionate to everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The Old Testament has citations agaist against women and bad eating habits — good grief. Nothing about homosexuality in The Gospels. And only thing related to sex was the women caught in adultry — and Christ‘s reaction to that was “do NOT judge”. Read up.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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He's not Christian. Christ taught repeatedly that we must love others and be peaceful.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">what about crusade</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">No, he isn't. A Christian, by definition, is someone who is dedicated to Christ. Christ continually avoided violence, and commanded us to be peaceful, even to love our enemies. Any one can claim to be anything, it doesn't mean that they are. North Korea calls itself a "Democratic republic" - but is it democratic? Plenty of people claim to be things that they'd like to be seen as, but it's meaningless if they don't adhere to the definition of what they claim to be.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">As much as you would want us to believe that Christians are moral people, incapable of atrocities history proves otherwise. You don't get to define Christianity for us. We already know.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> Christ went into the temple, overturned the furniture and drove out the worshippers. That's an act of terrorism without the blood.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I didn't say that Christians are moral people. BTW, how do you yourself define "moral"?<br />It's not me thinking that I "get to define Christianity", to love and follow Christ is literally what it means, and is how it originated. Why should people calling themselves Christians whilst not following Jesus get to redefine it? If I call myself a chocoholic yet eat no chocolate, would you judge chocolate by my actions simply because I called myself a chocoholic?<br />Christ offers each person eternal life - that's more significant than the actions false Christians, so why ignore Him on the basis of them?</span></span> Y<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ikes, you consider Jesus turning over the tables in the temple to be terrorism? Why? It is the only time that Jesus is recorded acting angrily, and it was with very good reason - He was furious that traders were using the temple to con people. Some traders wee deliberately stealing from worshippers, and some were exploiting worshippers who believed that they were obliged to buy animals to sacrifice to God. He didn't hurt anyone by turning over the tables, He didn't even slap the traders as one might well be tempted to, He was simply acting out of His concern for impoverished and exploited Israelites.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters. Keep it up Garce.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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T<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hose are Paul's words to people living at a time where those concepts were the norm anyway; where "slave" meant employee more than what we think of as slaves; and where there was a serious risk of conflict and persecution, such that it would have been genuinely dangerous for those he's talking to rebel. And the hope that they had because of Christ gave them enough to hope to persevere.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The Crusaders were Christian too ,butchering their way through the ME</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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H<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">ave you ignored what I'd already written? Jesus taught us to be peaceful. Those who went on Crusades and were violent were either seriously mistaken in thinking that they were serving God; or were only claiming to be fighting for God because it made them feel and appear (to their communities) noble whilst they indulged their lust for power. Jesus taught us to love our enemies.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You sound like the muslims who keep saying that Islam is the religion of peace. Now the religion of love has learnt from the religion of peace. I guess we are all screwed.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">How exactly do I "sound like" them? My point is that Jesus commanded compassion, and lived a life of peace, unlike Muhammed*.<br />*Though obviously, the fact that Muhammed was violent doesn't mean that Muslims are, the vast majority are an asset to our society.</span></span><br />
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Though I am certainly not in any way condoning revenge porn, might it not be advisable for people to stop taking nude pictures of themselves in the first place?</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Pride comes before a fall. I really, really am not blaming women who have their pics shared by people who shouldn't, but I bet that women who experience that wish that they'd never taken the pictures. Also, plenty of women will feel compelled to take nudes because it's become normal, and because some guys will pressure them into it. Our culture's attitudes tosex are seriously messed up.</span></span><br />
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We shouldn't use the extreme wealth of celebrities as a reason not to share our wealth with those in severe poverty. I'm so frustrated with our media attacking Comic Relief simply for involving famous people, when the organisation does serious good. I won't give to Comic Relief, but not because of the celebrities, rather because only half of its expenditure is developing countries, and because it's so much more exciting to give to charities that share the Gospel as well as helping physical needs. I love how much difference charities like Samaritan's Purse, Tearfund, Compassion, Feed the Hungry, The Leprosy Mission etc make when we donate to them.<br />
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I'm not a remainer, but it amazes me that people are so emotional about this. How is being in the EU harming our lives such that there's now fury that we've not left yet? Living in the UK makes us some of the most privileged people on Earth - much of humanity could only dream of the state services, standards of living and opportunities that we have - why moan? Why are we not instead angry about po<span class="text_exposed_show">verty, here on account of government mismanagement, and even more so in developing countries? Why are we not instead arguing for fairer trade and help for the most disadvantaged?<br />As Christians, we know that there are more important things than even the biggest political issues. Being free from the EU is utterly trivial when we have freedom in Christ.</span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, it blooming well isn't. Why would you say that? Are you uninformed about genuine slavery, during the slave trade and in human trafficking industries today? People have been brutally snatched from their homes and families, and forced to do excruciating work with the threat of being beaten and raped. How can you possibly compare that to being in the EU?</span></span><br />
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<span class="text_exposed_show">B</span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">ut the foetus isn't straw, it actually is a human (yes, obviously I'm well familiar with the strawman concept, but I hope you see my point)</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Abortions are never performed on viable fetuses in the US. They are always removed via C-section when the mothers health is in danger. If they were, you might have some kind of point here, but they </span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Where did you read that? Abortion clinics themselves explain that foetuses are removed with instruments up the cervix - not by C section - for any reason.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">are not.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It is a human non-person, which is the real defining characteristic for why it does not have the same rights as a human person. It makes no sense to me why a heartbeat should be more relevant than distinctly human brain function, which occurs in the late or early 3rd trimester. The center of what makes a person a person is the mind, not the heart.</span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How are you defining a person? Why is it OK to kill a human if they don't fit your definition of a person?<br />I agree, brain function is important, but this begins around week 7, not the end of 2nd timester.<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehd.org%2Fscience_main.php%3Flevel%3Di%26s1%3Don%26s14%3Don%26s2%3Don%26s0%3Don%26s3%3Don%26ops%3D%26submit_button%3DRefresh%2520Page%26re%3Don%26L1%3D1%26L2%3D0%26fbclid%3DIwAR21dROhrDl0CrP47sjAdAPXstm_SI2QzKqeM6lluTLKCpwzFOmz_bgX-Qg&h=AT0E4zxp9mUma620jFG-oAlqCTG6QvF9Bmot1JypK_u93SpBHzC9SkCc3DkJCarPZYQrLZk_0MhzvxsfLQsmbYluIwCPjyaU1O43VnHXoSggMXnSTd9X0DuiPHeqCxmVYJZl" href="http://www.ehd.org/science_main.php?level=i&s1=on&s14=on&s2=on&s0=on&s3=on&ops=&submit_button=Refresh%20Page&re=on&L1=1&L2=0&fbclid=IwAR21dROhrDl0CrP47sjAdAPXstm_SI2QzKqeM6lluTLKCpwzFOmz_bgX-Qg" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.ehd.org/science_main.php?level=i&s1=on&s14=on...</a><br />Last year, an igNobel award was won for research that observed how the facial expressions of16 week foetuses changed in response to music - why do yo think that brain function is absent before week27?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i>A<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> fetus isn’t a newborn either.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i></div>
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Or, rather, Chinese politicians want to inhibit Christianity because they want citizens to deify the government, and to lack the hope that Christianity offers, in case it would make them less easy to control.<br />
Christianity is not a Western invention, we all know full well that it began in the Middle East and its true definition is to follow Christ, whose teachings and lifestyle were strongly opposed to numerous aspects of Western culture. If individuals in China conclude that the case for His defeat of death is credible; and/or experience His presence, no government officials nor Western institutions have any right to prevent or profit from them.</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">The goverment has done more for the citizens than christianity. China is a serious country, unlike their rat eating ressurrection performing BRICS brother.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, entrepreneurship has done a lot for China, allowing it to flourish following governments previously forcing misery on the nation. Christianity gives people incomparably more hope and inner peace than money; and commands people to love others and avoid greed, violence and dishonesty, thus benefitting society more than any government can.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">those people dont need that imaginary, fairytale stuff. they already are a well functioning people, christianity like in Africa and elsewhere it reaches, it will divide the people and bring about behaviour like that of SA.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">"imaginary, fairytale" - people say this about Christianity all the time, but how do you know exactly? How much have you looked at the work of academics (professors of science and philosophy) who've concluded that God exists?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">yes there's a lot. European school of thought scholars. <br />my question to you is, how old is the religion? and why should a people with a history more than 5000 yrs look to christianity that is as I said "imagiary" than their reality?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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Y<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">ou've not answered my question - how do you know that Christianity is imaginary? Have you looked at the arguments supporting it?<br />Age doesn't determine truth - until a few centuries ago, it wasn't known that the Earth is a sphere that orbits the sun, that doesn't mean that it's not true</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AehEqDm_3J8/XNOEG0K44sI/AAAAAAAAAxc/ddy1RZ4kUY0EcZL7HZnMnqXeeMwtKvC6gCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-164703.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="333" data-original-width="500" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AehEqDm_3J8/XNOEG0K44sI/AAAAAAAAAxc/ddy1RZ4kUY0EcZL7HZnMnqXeeMwtKvC6gCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-164703.jpeg" width="320" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">do research on the ' council of Nicea ', that's the birth of your religion. <br />fact is, no real History have records of Jesus. go look. <br />second, Christianity is watered down African religion stolen from Kemet's ancient history. look that up. I need you to ask question that matters Grace, If you wanna know whats imaginary? Adam and Eve, Noah, Tower of Babel, Abram to Abraham story, The Exodus. ... the list goes on until we reach the tale of Jesus.</span></span><br /><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">lets focus on true History. <br />my questiona as clear as day... what is a Jew? how is a Jew different from an Israeli? and who are the Hebrew people? <br />my questions are based on the fact you ignore that Religion has always been used as a weapon, and as it could be in this case. <br />Another thing I know about christianity is that it does not promote peace at all. It came to Africa, after that our people now call our ancient spiritual systems and practices "demonic and satanic" and the bible is always their point of reference. thus christianity always requires you to a tool brain. We are talking modern politics yes, we are talking race yes.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Christianity DOES promote peace - because it literally means to follow Christ. Plenty of people with selfish or power hungry instincts have claimed to be Christian whilst mistreating others, since labelling themselves as followers of God makes them feel noble. Those people don't change the fact that Christ taught us to love others and to be peacemkers.</span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></i></div>
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">hat do you mean when you write " whats imaginary? Adam and Eve, Noah, Tower of Babel, Abram to Abraham story, The Exodus. ... the list goes on until we reach the tale of Jesus"? Are you claiming that they're all imaginary? Why do you think that? <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Fscholarly-articles%2Fhistorical-jesus%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR13bH-pLVMgX5d36IGdyRdtqu6WhdM2p_xAjG9XIvMmYBYxbs9taqL7csY&h=AT2JjFJBAt3t0Uwfs-dcFaaA1g1yaIR2whRWgTpkFX65be882OdwhS68hisrUswX0b0k6drQ_kbUEYB-mQ0DVPWbaCg5W3i4pGs9SvsTrK0oi1cZlELosS1XEWEurpdOwxnd" href="http://www.reasonablefaith.org/scholarly-articles/historical-jesus?fbclid=IwAR13bH-pLVMgX5d36IGdyRdtqu6WhdM2p_xAjG9XIvMmYBYxbs9taqL7csY" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.reasonablefaith.org/scholarly.../historical-jesus</a></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i>please try finding history from neigbouring places where they say Jesus walked in those days. if you ever get to please have a good read. I doubt there is, lest it be propaganda.<br />another thing, how does the bible promote peace by telling</i><i> us not be yoked with unbelievers? or when it says woman brought about the fall of man and along brought death? peace? that if you preach to a person and they dont "repent" you dust your feet at their doorway in passing judgement for rejecting "Christ"? </i><i>stop playing Grace.. the christian faith is based on a book called the bible. if you read that books you </i>will realize there's nothing peaceful. there some good quotes yes but no liberty at all</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">hat "history from neigbouring places" are you referring to? Are you saying that I shouldn't believe in Jesus unless He's written about in historical texts from adjacent nations at the time He walked the Earth? There aren't preserved, accessible detailed historical records from every place at that point in history - do you have corroborating historical accounts from neighbouring nations for all of the history that you believe? Why would all of the texts about Jesus be wrong, especially given that those who followed Him suffered for doing so? Historians just don't seriously doubt whether Jesus lived. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2017%2Fapr%2F14%2Fwhat-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2bs4h2KjDMWkIudvXMHzDlqoTy3nAWhbUrCbNcFhQlE39eBf1M8ApLbp0&h=AT0Z5qDfgW1tUcmwyzrbK50mLT0PQC7yg9si4GxFtB5iJ8I8QP9HxThVWBvybTLV8jz236rKH844oAuEvTcy0YCGVFcpKW1ACm8r-xB_CGC8g2o71oEphENRMCFXmc08Pboc" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died?fbclid=IwAR2bs4h2KjDMWkIudvXMHzDlqoTy3nAWhbUrCbNcFhQlE39eBf1M8ApLbp0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../what-is-the-historical... T</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">he New Testament is, compared to other historical texts, remarkably reliable <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bible.ca%2Fef%2Ftopical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1aZYQZT-jc-EwpLzbllOPuvYhueKaFyrdyeneSWMQC0SHY7OPETz0dyCU&h=AT25m3LlLJSUPXHG2ZXt9n7xJ8RTN64Yj2nTM1XKmfVqcMZyT3gfOjn-2a2BM91BDQKve0EtViGUMtnbi5XwtP1ErniMJJJqH-aSf3ejSEIGORk4_LYTl8PHWAAhMb2mUgye" href="http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm?fbclid=IwAR1aZYQZT-jc-EwpLzbllOPuvYhueKaFyrdyeneSWMQC0SHY7OPETz0dyCU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">hen you say "the christian faith is based on a book called the bible." are you presuming that I haven't read the Bible? Obviously I've been through all of it, multiple times. And it's extremely complex, particularly since it was written to people with very differnt pre-existing norms to us. Commanding us not to be yoked with unbelievers means not being bound to them, it doesn't mean that we should argue with them, let alone fight. Jesus makes it clear that we must love others. The Bible isn't blaming women for death, you're taking a verse of Paul's out of context. Why do you think that the verse about shaking dust from one's sandals implies conflict</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">lol. . im sorry Grace. I can tell you are a real person of Faith. <br />now do me a favour, get back to my first 2 comments. argue that. There never was someone called Jesus. never. Its not a complex book, its mostly foklore and myth. im not clueless on it, I read the book for years. I know what im talking about. until you learn world history and current events you will remain believing the world started with Adam and Eve and stay unable to understand human race and ethnicity. you will never understand why all invaders and emperialists served religion to the people they oppress, you will never understand why women was sidelined by the bible in general, you will never stop reffering to "god" as a 'HE' and not she.. simply because you chose to be naive and gullible. And why do you exclude the old testament from a being a reliable source of information compared to the New? the very same book promoted rape, slavery, genocide, separation and intolerance. Please Grace. .. educate yourself on religion. be critical in thinking, ask questions. ... yes like when Adam and Eve were formed, were they Black people or what?</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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W<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">hy do you think thar I don't investigate world news and history?<br />How have you concluded that I'm gullible when you don't know how I've reached my conclusions, or even, it would seem, what they are? That you keep on bringing up Adam and Eve when I never mentioned them demonstrates your stawmanning - you're arguing against the thoughts that you've imagined I have, and not engaged what I actually wrote. Telling someone that they're gullible doesn't prove that they're wrong and you're right, it simply suggests that you don't have any arguments to make.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">No, the Bible does not promote rape, slavery etc, though looking in detail at the verses that you've misinterpreted to reach those conclusions would take more time than I think is worth sending since I've already wasted so much time on this thread, and I think you're not willing to take anything I write seriously. Briefly, some verses regulate slavery since it was deeply ingrained in society, and entirely different from what we think of as slavery today, more akin to employment - God's commands regarding "slavery" were fr more compassionate than would have been typical in that setting, but simply commanding that all "slaves"be released at that point would have meant that masters simply ignored God's commands altogether. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zachariastrust.org%2Fdoes-the-bible-condone-slavery%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3N6sVnIBdwQjEYo3ZnRx0qz876R7PK4W90ldPMGua8KZwymf05F2TANBM&h=AT1jejBAAh9lKfmwmlDhXY51gKaw-d1gdPqiATinnBPZWrSruEoON7DOMlNp1JWn_D5Pkg06AXGIDRWqjIGAgfH4qmVSQXsJWF9x46PTtAF3F-0nThE9VbwQ6sjsyxVmMJWd" href="https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone-slavery?fbclid=IwAR3N6sVnIBdwQjEYo3ZnRx0qz876R7PK4W90ldPMGua8KZwymf05F2TANBM" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone...</a></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Seriously, why do you think that Jesus never existed? Even non-Christian historians don't doubt that He existed. I'm well aware that there are a few conspiracy theorists who claim that He didn't - because doing so enables them to sell books, there are conspiracy theories about everything these days. But their hypothesis have been thoroughly refuted. Qualified, credible scholars agree that He existed - which part of the articles to which I linked, above - do you disagree? <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.probe.org%2Fancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0DJkXhLy-0dJuret4uBYseuOqwCOAn947oVV5Qpl-uHj34-IJ_7VMlles&h=AT0SUWjlzdrG_axUMJp95HcNVikdhnf3QbdmdThFFHdW-GH86vsNphK8ZAyhJQhKMEVDXXEVU-D7Yypmju52PzGq0sl_uu2K2xsGjIJl_PtkCKweJ6xI-MQDccF_wDWLeMQL" href="https://www.probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2/?fbclid=IwAR0DJkXhLy-0dJuret4uBYseuOqwCOAn947oVV5Qpl-uHj34-IJ_7VMlles" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from.../</a></span></span></div>
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We<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> really need to stop this conversation, we're clearly not going to understand each other. I will research African history further, though I'm not sure why it would lead you to "reject any religion"- whether or not Christianity (or Islam, or something else) is true is not determined by the history of either of our homelands. I'm aware that people calling themselves Christians, from my country, did indescribably evil things in Africa, and their actions make me FURIOUS - but they weren't actually adhering to Christianity at all, because Christianity is to follow Christ, who repeatedly taught us to love others. The letter J did not begin when the King James Bible was written, though I'm well aware that its use in Christ's name was not original. His name was, obviously, in a Hebrew language, and the King James Bible simply translated His name into a variation that's easier for English speakers to pronounce, it doesn't mean that He didn't exist, there's nothing that I need to allow to "sink in". Christians today are well familiar with calling Him Yeshua too.<br />When I asked about what's imaginary, I wasn't disregarding what you'd written, I absolutely take you seriously, I was simply unclear what you meant. I wasn't sure if you meant that you believe all of those individuals to be imaginary, since Jesus is so undisputed by historians. I certainly wasn't only relying on "the good book" or Christian historians, and some of the links that I added explained this - why do you refuse to look at them? Why do you think that we should only get information from books and not the internet? I'm well aware that there's some nonsense (that's incorrect) on the internet, but there are also books with errors, and there's plenty on the internet that's of the highest standard of accuracy. Genuine information, from academics in all fields, is put onto the internet, so that we can all access it; whereas information in books can only be accessed by those who can get hold of each book. Most sites reference books anyway, so they're no less accurate than books, and they're making information available. I'm not expecting you to simply believe the articles that I linked to, we all need to weigh up everything we read/hear to determine what's most likely to be true - how can you know that someone else is wrong, as you think I am, if you refuse to even look at a few articles?<br />And yes, I am well familiar with the council of Nicea, but the Gospels, and other documents about Jesus are known by historians to have been written long before it.<br />Anyhoo, I'm really sorry if I've seemed disrespectful or argumentative, because I certainly do respect you and have only been trying to understand what you believe. I'll research African history and traditional beliefs to try to understand better, I hope that one day you'll look at some of the historical evidence for Christ. And PS, you mentioned that "to tell my sons that some white man named Jesus died for him would be the most evil thing i'd do" - which is tragic, because the amount of melanin in a person's skin doesn't determine how human a person is, those of us who are white are part of humanity as you are - but I never said that Jesus is white. He was brown, He came from the middle East - illustrations which have shown Him as white have been lazy.<br />Have an awesome day <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:)</span></span></span></span><br />
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I'm confused as to why most of my fellow Londoners are firmly anti Brexit, for reasons including that we currently import food from the EU - surely we need to stop shipping so much around the globe if we want to reduce the fuel usage that's destroying it? We should be producing our own ingredients, particularly using new schemes like rooftop gardens and underground hydroponics, as well as getting <span class="text_exposed_show">better at reducing food waste. <br />There are people beyond the EU struggling to feed their families, and/or working unimaginable hours for stupidly little pay to produce things that we consume - I desperately wish that our politicians would focus on tackling Global problems and on making trade fair. Brexit is unimportant by comparison.</span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">This is tragic. Studies repeatedly show the vast majority of young people who question their gender are happy with their actual sex if they're not encouraged to embrace an identity as the opposite sex/gender. By supporting children to transition, we're doing them serious harm; they'll end up enduring endless medical intervention (not helping the struggling NHS, BTW) and have a massively increased risk of mental health problems and suicide. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thepublicdiscourse.com%2F2015%2F06%2F15145%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2689721cxDhue55c5jNtxKNH0xC8loeyMcni0sTfFTUKe6WKka7QhQ1p0&h=AT2dEAK76vNLF_2dcv47tS_ze0pVV7pJXRFRvx1jdYqR09AJ2eGxS_EIFeR8Xs70KB1YWejtcg42jwU__JNJaUDN0Hq0CKipvKjDEabm24vAm6PTPnV9I1KVvM9glaY8NX4r" href="http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145?fbclid=IwAR2689721cxDhue55c5jNtxKNH0xC8loeyMcni0sTfFTUKe6WKka7QhQ1p0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145</a><br />They are of immeasurable value to God, so much that gender is irrelevant. We each have our own interests, style and skills. Some of us have XX chromosomes, some of us have XY chromosomes (and a very, very few have another combination) - the former are female, the latter are male; that's biology. It doesn't matter - in that each human is equally and immeasurably valuable and must feel no obligation to conform to stereotypes. And if a person isn't happy with the genitals they're born with, it's understandable; all genitals are disgusting. Fortunately, they don't actually impact what we do in life, so people should be helped to overcome that anxiety and encouraged to focus on other things.</span></span><br />
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My sympathies from here in Britain. When I heard Trump say that we have "unbelievably strict gun laws" I found it hilarious. Obviously, guns are no laughing matter, but it was extremely funny that he deemed odd what is to us entirely normal and rational. I desperately hope that future presidents address the issue. (and apologies if I sound patronising, I wasn't meaning to!)<br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">T</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">here are many times more murders by gun in the US than by knife here (per 100 000). And whilst, obviously, every death is utterly tragic, much knife crime relates to gang warfare - there's not the same possibility for a neo Neazi or psychopath to grab a weapon from a store that can kill dozens of people in a public place. But indeed, human beings can be evil whichever nation they're in.</span></span><br />
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The gap in living standards and opportunities between us (women) and men is nothing compared to the gap between us as Britons and people in developing countries, yet there are endless campaigns and virtue signaling about feminism whilst people seem not to care that there are still human beings without even clean water.<br />
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This should be pretty obvious. We should deny that a girl is a girl and a boy s a boy, we should let them be the versions of girls and boys that they want to be.<br />
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The Catholic Church is comprised of hundreds of millions of individuals, almost all of those individuals are not sex abusers.<br />
It astonishes me that so many people are only interested in unChristian things done by people falsely calling themselves Christians, and never bother to actually investigate Christ - who commanded us to love others and who offers you something greater than anything in this world.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Indeed, those who've covered for abusers are obviously also evil - but still, this will only be a small minority of all Catholics. Part of the issue is that those with evil intent push hardest to climb ladders of power, and power itself corrupts, so some of the most senior Catholics enacted or enabled the abuse.<br />What's illogical is that many people consider this messed up institution to be a reason to ignore Jesus, though abuse is antithetical what He practiced and taught.</span></span> <span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">it happens in all denominations....and they cover up there misdeeds also..</span></span></i> </div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">But who is "they" exactly? Are you presuming that members and staff in every Church are aware of all the actions of all of the staff in every other Church of their denomination?<br />Still, all of this is missing my point...</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If I owned a string of restaurants and was covering little kids being molested in the bathroom and it became public, would you still come for my $.99 breakfasts and help keep me afloat?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, but you've just said that you were covering the abuse - most individuals within the Catholic Church won't have been aware of the actions of other individuals in other Churches - why would they be? If you were a branch manager of one restaurant, or a waiter, cleaner or customer at one, how would you know of all the actions of branch managers at other restaurants in the chain?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">"... this will only be a small minority of Catholics. Part of the issue that those with evil intent push hardest to climb ladders of power, and power itself corrupts ..."The problem is that a religion/faith has room for this kind of behavior to be allowed if not actually ENABLED. <br />Small minority? ASSUMING that's true, the power structure, chain of accountability, or whatever doesn't include law enforcement. I don't care how much good the church CLAIMS it does, there should be no excuse for a lack of proper oversight and circumventing the law and accountability. Period.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">How do you define "religion/faith"? People who abuse others are not following Christ, therefore they aren't adhering to what Christianity actually is by definition, they're charlatans taking advantage of an opportunity to have power and influence.<br />I think that institution is a mess - but my point is that the institution itself is unimportant by comparison to Christ, yet continually people reject Christon the basis of an institution that falsely misappropriates His name.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">If I owned a string of restaurants and was covering little kids being molested in the bathroom and it became public, would you still come for my $.99 breakfasts and help keep me afloat?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span></i><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">No, but you've just said that you were covering the abuse - most individuals within the Catholic Church won't have been aware of the actions of other individuals in other Churches - why would they be? If you were a branch manager of one restaurant, or a waiter, cleaner or customer at one, how would you know of all the actions of branch managers at other restaurants in the chain?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I'm not willing to throw innocent children under a bus - what exactly did I say that indicates that? Nor am I being a rape apologist. It goes without saying that the abusers should be very, very severely punished (personally, I reckon that sex abusers should be castrated). My point was that it makes no sense to presume that all Catholics would have known about actions happening out of their site.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w4X1zPlJp3o/XNOEk7DegqI/AAAAAAAAAx4/_EhBnz2Yre8j_OjsuHLjBGXTQ0iXnZW-gCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-209112.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="292" data-original-width="500" height="186" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w4X1zPlJp3o/XNOEk7DegqI/AAAAAAAAAx4/_EhBnz2Yre8j_OjsuHLjBGXTQ0iXnZW-gCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-209112.jpeg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Do you know what's going on in all of the branches and buildings/offices of the organisation you work for/study in? Why presume that every Catholic knows what every other Catholic is doing?<br />Most of us have seen Leaving Neverland now - family members actually were just walls away from the use, continually in contact with the abuser and victims - yet didn't know that sex abuse was happening. Why presume that Catholics in separate locations when abuse was happening and who don't personally know the victims or abusers would know about the abuse?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I am most certainly not saying that the figures who were aware should be excused. Nor am I at all in favour of the structure of the institution, nor its theology.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">All of this is missing my original point, which you seem to have ignored - that the institution of the Catholic Church - or any other Church - is a group of human beings, flawed as we all are. It's not logical to ignore Christ Himself on the basis of people who simply claim to be His representatives, whilst not actually following Him - yet many people in our society do just that.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
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Anti gay how exactly? The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - that's distinct from simply having gay orientation, and either way, the Bible makes it clear that no one should be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I never said that gay couldn't have companions, only that the Bible says that people shouldn't have gay sex. Sex isn't at all necessary for human happiness.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I didn't say that I could decide what other people do, I was only commenting.<br />I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make with your table analogy - but a gay person is not somehow a lesser person in God's eyes than a straight person. Crucially, God loves each person beyond measure; and can provide joy to peoples' lives that far exceeds that of sex.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD6g3QOFQE/XNOEk2IkXcI/AAAAAAAAAx8/crsX_XlpRrg-36J0NOH4ZXbnA7T0Le7qwCLcBGAs/s1600/lion-animal-nature-predator-40835.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="333" data-original-width="500" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mDD6g3QOFQE/XNOEk2IkXcI/AAAAAAAAAx8/crsX_XlpRrg-36J0NOH4ZXbnA7T0Le7qwCLcBGAs/s320/lion-animal-nature-predator-40835.jpeg" width="320" /></a><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">God guiding humanity to avoid certain behaviours does not determine how loved and valued they are - His telling people to have gay sex doesn't mean that "<br />They have been deemed not worthy",. but that the action is something He's warned against, because He knows - better than we ever could - what's best for human beings, and He wants what's best for each human He's created.<br />"why do gay people have the ability to have sex then?" That a person has the body parts and a desire to do something doesn't mean that God should will them to do it or that it should be done - we all the potential and temptations to do things that we shouldn't. <br />Seriously though, we should stop debating - because all of this is meaningless compared to Christ Himself. Christianity (ie the root of the subject word in the above headline) is supposed to be about following Him, yet the media can almost only be bothered to discuss it when sex is involved. If a person has done things, sexually or otherwise, that God prohibits, Jesus still loves that person and offers them more than anything in this world if they choose to turn to Him.</span></span><br />
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Why the frack are there laughter reactions to this?</div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">I often wish the FB laugh reaction had never come to be. It’s always there when it shouldn’t be, and I’m petrified that I’ll someday accidentally be that person who uses it inappropriately.</span></span> </i></div>
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">It's opened my eyes to how inhumane and racist so many of my fellow millennials and Britons are. Yesterday, for example, Shamima Begum's (British teenager who ran off to join ISIS) baby died, and I've seen laughter reactions everywhere. There are frequently a lot of laughter reactions on news stories about race. It's seriously depressing.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"><i> </i></span></span><br />
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">she has no regret at all and is unapologetic. How does that make you feel ? Yes laughing at this is sick. But poor example</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
A<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">ll I was saying is that laughing at a baby dying is sick, not that I agree with Shamima Begum's right to be here (though I don't think that she should be left in Syria, that's not fair on Syrians, she should be here in prison).</span></span><br />
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And there was me thinking that all the money in professional football is legitimate, deserved and well spent.</div>
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Meanwhile, many people around the world can't access surgery that they genuinely need, nor other healthcare.<br />
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There's no logic in that - if abortion facilities are where women access other healthcare such that your assertion could have some accuracy, the funds saved by cutting funding of those facilities should be used to develop new clinics. Using money to provide contraception rather than abortion will be far, far more cost effective and safe.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Abortion is perfectly safe. And perfectly legal.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">According to who? I'm in London - here, abortion clinics have to call for an ambulance 466 per year (obviously, there'll also be many further women injured only less severely or immediately - and there have been deaths). <br />There's also evidence that abortion harms mental health later on (though gathering data on this is obviously difficult, since few people will report feelings of painful regret) <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambridge.org%2Fcore%2Fjournals%2Fthe-british-journal-of-psychiatry%2Farticle%2Fabortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009%2FE8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR19YsZtWxQ34zhCda20M8_khQ3WemXuZjxrqvr63GSuF4pJRVbPDSY6EYw&h=AT1ajFG_pkmK2bBMKWiwJcWzTZZ-99LIgJT3183VrFVVojSsJSENA4woU5GOVhtRVovJfC1w7LCNW95l58ZXF7yxpQ3ZFsV-8MsEsRcfkbxveDBUEUUjH4vKGKWAlXjJJ-qb" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/abortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009/E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D?fbclid=IwAR19YsZtWxQ34zhCda20M8_khQ3WemXuZjxrqvr63GSuF4pJRVbPDSY6EYw" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.cambridge.org/.../E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BE...</a><br />And it's not "perfectly legal" - laws regarding abortion are different in different states and are changing back and forth. Most abortion laws, including ours here in the UK, state that a woman should only have an abortion if it's necessary for her health - but statistics show that nearly all abortions actually happen because the woman simply didn't want a baby. Even if something's legal, that doesn't prove that it's OK. In SauiArabia, it's been illegal until last year for women to drive. Hitler legislated for mass murder - that it was brought into their law didn't make it any less evil. <br />NB - abortion is also unsafe for the tiny human involved.<br />Wouldn't it be awesome if the money currently being spent on abortion could instead be spent on contraception and other - life saving - healthcare?</span></span> </div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I ride an ambulance. 466 calls per year for all those people is absolutely nothing, especially given that many of those calls are precautionary only. Childbirth and pregnancy are infinitely more dangerous. These are known facts. It is also a known fact that the majority of women DO NOT suffer emotional trauma post abortion. This has been thoroughly studied. You just don't happen to like the results. Abortion is not only to save a life. If birth control fails, it is what one does when they do not wish to be pregnant. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, and no one is obligated to donate their body for 9+ months against their will. A fetus is NOT a baby. It is a potential life we are not obligated to bring to fruition simple because it exists. Keep your hitler nonsense out of it. The majority of us blatantly disagree with you.Abortion is not taxpayer funded. And no, the money spent on it SHOULD be spent on it. And WILL be spent on it.</span></span></i> </div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">A "known fact that the majority of women DO NOT suffer emotional trauma post abortion" according to who? As I said, most people won't report something that they regret, feel upset about and want to forget, so it wouldn't be surprising if some studies suggested no trauma, yet there IS evidence that trauma can result, as highlighted in the METAANALYSIS from Cambridge that I linked to.<br />According to who is there "absolutely nothing wrong with" it?</span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">It IS a human life. I wouldn't bother arguing about embryos, but by the stage that it has pain sensation and brainwaves, how can it be OK?</span></span></span></span><br />
<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">You say "if birth control fails" - though I was only making the point, in response to the earlier comment that abortion is "perfectly legal", that the law is being bent in most cases because it says that abortion should only happen when necessary for the mother's health - but nearly half of abortions happen when contraception wasn't even being used. <a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.johnstonsarchive.net%2Fpolicy%2Fabortion%2Fabreasons.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR19YsZtWxQ34zhCda20M8_khQ3WemXuZjxrqvr63GSuF4pJRVbPDSY6EYw&h=AT2E_fSIVNgTF8oGsn_p0FRBaGoW2-kD5aO8EYaAMkV9j3KV8V1hJWG19FzTx1IsngWh5wn7gbytOZgYj8oIkY46rWWI8e6ywaq4_YfC2DDlm5rWroNuboP-YsTCnIDqURuK" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/.../abortion/abreasons.html</a><br />There's the option to not have sex; and the option to bring immeasurable joy to a couple desperate for a baby by arranging adoption.</span></span></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fWtRsLRI_ZI/XNOE_s3J71I/AAAAAAAAAyQ/BJzZXDN2ke4Ruiq34ZSh7PwiWUtgwMbvQCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-1458915.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="647" data-original-width="500" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fWtRsLRI_ZI/XNOE_s3J71I/AAAAAAAAAyQ/BJzZXDN2ke4Ruiq34ZSh7PwiWUtgwMbvQCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-1458915.jpeg" width="247" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">The laws in the US made abortion legal in ALL circumstances. That was the intent. It is the same in many other countries. You're insinuating something that was never existed. There is an entire movement called Shout Your Abortion, where women are actively destigmatizing abortion, and talking about how they were NOT traumatized by them. They were shamed by others, and trauma was inferred where none existed. You are grossly exaggerating something to justify your desired outcome. There is NOTHING to be traumatized about in abortion. Unless you had to abort an actual baby for medical reasons, there was no tragedy. That's what you don't get. When you reject the propaganda, and recognize the simple scientific fact that there is no baby and no murder, there is ZERO to regret.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Is that what your law says, that abortion is definitively allowed for any reason? Either way, as I said, your argument that abortion is "perfectly legal" presumes that my original comment was about what's legal, when in fact I'm primarily concerned about what's right, especially given that the law varies so much. If it's illegal to do something in one place and legal in another, it can't be presumed to be morally fine, more discussion is needed.<br />I'm well aware of the shout your abortion campaign, what's your point? Are you claiming that anecdotal claims overrride the findings of metaanalysis? It's the former that's propoganda, the latter that's science.<br />You mention that it would be tragic to abort an "actual baby" which I find bizarre - what exactly is an "actual baby" that could be aborted tragically, by contrast to the not-actual-babies that are usually the targets of abortion?</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Yes, that is what our law says. It is also what the law says in many countries. Google could have told you that. It could have also told you that there have been many studies which already disprove your one lone metaanalysis supposition that you keep clinging to. Shout your Abortion is far from anecdotal. You simply cannot accept the notion that thousands of women are out there publically announcing they have no regrets. NONE. They are happy. They got EXACTLY what they wanted. An embryo and a fetus are not babies. Nor are they "tiny humans". They are potential humans who become babies if the women in whose body they inhabit chooses to allow it. That's it. Her choice, 100% of the time. Consent to sex is NEVER consent to pregnancy, and it never will be. Nor is it up to you to tell someone to "close their legs". Sex is an option for anyone: whether they wish to become a parent or not. A woman isn't a baby generator for adopters. Let them hire someone who wants to be pregnant. There are still laws all over the place outlawing all but the missionary position during sex. The existence of those laws does not mean having sex in another position isn't "morally fine". You're ridiculous. I've heard enough nonsense for one day. I encourage everyone reading your drivel to make a donation to Planned Parenthood in your name. I just did. Congratulations. You inspired me to donate $20.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">N</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">o, Google doesn't tell me that, and you've not offered any evidence. There are plenty of long articles about abortion legislation, so I'll get reading those, but there aren't straight forward answers from Google. My point is that it's not "perfectly legal" as you suggest - the legislation is extremely complex and varied, and crucially doesn't determine whether or not something is OK.<br />You claim that the meta-analysis has been disproven, but again provided no evidence - and that you mention "many studies" suggests that you might not know what a meta-analysis is.<br />I didn't say that a foetus is a baby - though I'm still intrigued that you earlier mentioned an "actual baby" which could be aborted, and have ignored my question about what you mean by that. But yes, a foetus is a tiny human, by definition - what makes you think otherwise?<br />Why am I ridiculous because you've suddenly brought up sex positions? You've finally acknowledged my earlier point - that whether something is legal and whether something is moral are different issues, yet your original criticism was that "abortion is perfectly legal".</span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">You're ridiculous because you equate an inconsistency of laws as proof of moral ambiguity, instead of merely jurisdictional nonsense.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"></span></span><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">the problem is that the people who lobby for outlawing abortion and defunding PP are also the same people who work to prevent sex education and basic human biology in schools as well as slashing the funding for WIC and other programs that help feed and provide health care for mothers and their children. So if your intention is to harm poor people and more importantly poor woman and their families then these barbaric policy changes make perfect sense.</span></span></i></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">Yes, that's a good observation, though an overgeneralisation - I for one am in favour of defunding abortion and PP but of ensuring sex ed and, most importantly, more help for those most disadvantaged. We need to consider each issue on its own arguments, rather than lumping everything into merely left vs right as this article does.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span></div>
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<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">not an over generalization at all. Many men, particularly religious men have no problem with women being second class citizens and are pursuing public policy that would bring this about. Step one, go after organizations that provide services to the poor and disenfranchised. Step two, once poor and disenfranchised women are in crisis declare that they don't have the capacity to make their own health care choices without supervision so they are stripped of their civil rights "for the safety of the children". The really terrifying thing is seeing the number of women who will enthusiasticly throw other women under the bus.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></div>
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Of course it's an over generalisation. Each person has their own beliefs and motives, and you're simply presuming that everyone who wants to cut abortion provision has the same thoughts.<br />What evidence do you have that all pro-liers want to make women second class citizens? Has it not occurred to you that many pro-lifers are in fact driven by rage at the destruction of tiny humans? You might not care that tiny humans are being destroyed; or might plainly deny it (though it's very obvious from a scientific standpoint), but you know full well that this is what pro-lifers believe - yet you're claiming that their motivation is what you say it is.</span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g"> </span></span> </div>
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uRuTyn21eD8/XNOE_h6ET6I/AAAAAAAAAyM/xkIbycdRXv4kzRwUE4b0umjZTqKYfjOKQCLcBGAs/s1600/pexels-photo-434046.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="333" data-original-width="500" height="213" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uRuTyn21eD8/XNOE_h6ET6I/AAAAAAAAAyM/xkIbycdRXv4kzRwUE4b0umjZTqKYfjOKQCLcBGAs/s320/pexels-photo-434046.jpeg" width="320" /></a><i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">I don't need to look any further than their words and actions to determine their intent. If so-called pro-life men really cared about those little lives then they would back WIC and other programs that feed those children once they are here. They would also back organizations that help women manage their health care like PP. They also wouldn't make jokes about keep women barefoot and pregnant and other such tropes. Bottom line, I will never have to carry a child to term so I don't have a dog in this fight but I am a man and have witnessed first hand much of the deplorable behavior we are capable of. If you want to give men power over you and your reproductive system go right ahead. No one will stop you but it's not something I would ever do. It's not something I would inflict on any person. I pray that you never have to live in a world where you are force by court order to carry a child to term but it looks like that's where we are going. Don't say nobody warned you. There is a good reason why there are no laws regulating men's reproductive health.</span></span></i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"> </span></span><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x"></span></span><br />
Y<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">ou're trying to make this conversation about certain political figures, but I never mentioned them. I vehemently disagree with opposition to social programmes that help the poor and to forcing women into pregnancy. Not all pro-lifers fit the characiture you're describing.<br />PS - I won't be forced carry a child to term as you mention, since A) I've had anorexia since puberty and consequently don't menstruate and B) I don't have sex. If, hypothetically, I were to become fertile, and was raped and then pregnant, I'd absolutely carry it to term. Right now, my life is implicated by the eating disorder such that I can barely look after myself - but I hope that in the future I can do more to help children whose parents have abandoned them (ATM, I'll just keep sponsoring kids).</span></span><br />
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GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-2382623877154360392019-03-07T20:21:00.001-08:002019-03-07T20:21:40.342-08:00The Debt SavioursA recent documentary, The Debt Saviours, aired on a Friday evening on BBC2. I was already well familiar with the organisation that it probes, Christians Against Poverty; I watched with the aim of considering the messages that were to be imparted to hundreds of thousands of non-Christians.<br />
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“How do you expect to be judged at the gates of heaven?” John Kirkby, head of CAP is asked in one scene.<br />
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“I’m not expecting to be judged at the gates of heaven, I expect to be welcomed in.”<br />
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“What makes you think that?”<br />
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“My faith.”<br />
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My worry about the fragment of interview quoted above, is that some viewers will perceive this as a sense of entitlement on Kirkby’s part, and perhaps on the part of Christians generally. The Gospel is that anyone is welcomed on account of what Jesus has done and not by any merit of our own; but this is not made clear in the documentary, and therefore it may well seem that the emphasis is on a Christian believing that HE will be “welcomed.” I wonder whether Kirkby said more at this point about Christ, words which the BBC omitted to show?<br />
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Instead, responding to the presenter asking him why he’s just brought Jesus into a conversation with a beneficiary — despite the willingness of that client to be prayed for — a CAP staff member very capably explains: “We believe, as a Christian body, that there is a place in heaven for everyone, and I think it would be too good to miss out on. One thing that God promises is, in heaven, we don’t have any of this — we don’t have any sickness; we don’t have any stress; we don’t have any poverty; and you’re there for eternity. That’s what we believe as a Christian faith. It would be very selfish not to share that news with other people.”<br />
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But this is not followed by a further question — or if it was, it’s been cut. So the audience sees Kirkby saying that he believes he’ll be welcomed into heaven on the basis of his faith, but the good news that there’s a place for everyone is brushed past.<br />
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At numerous points in Debt Saviours, we’re shown congregational singing of some of the most recent Christian songs. How many people are deterred from Church in some small part because they wrongly imagine them to be exclusively filled with hymns? (I commented, on a post about the ‘loneliness epidemic,’ that Church is an opportunity for social contact that more people should try. The reply to my comment was that it might work if one is over fifty.) It seems bizarre, however, that so much time is spent with the camera closed in on Kirkby as he participates in the worship — it’s as though the camera man is trying to push Kirkby into snapping at them to get out of his face. Kirkby continues to sing and smile ear to ear, but I suspect that a deliberate attempt is being made to portray him as unhinged. Why not give the wider congregation a few more moments of screen time instead of expending quite so many on Kirkby? That many people are filled with joy in worship is skirted around so that Kirkby can be implied to be eccentric.<br />
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At several points, text facts are shown on screen in white font against a black background — but why not present some measure of CAP’s efficacy or independently assessed credibility? More relevant than telling us the number of staff, for example, would be the success rate that CAP has in getting beneficiaries into the black. We’re told that 6,000 clients have committed to Christ — to an agnostic audience, this might well prompt some suspicion, and no numbers are offered telling us of how many clients this 6,000 is a part (only 4%, according to CAP’s site). We aren’t told how many clients have been helped with advice; how many have been supported into work; how many have become debt free, nor any other measure of success that would convince the secular viewing public of CAP’s virtue. There’s plenty of data in CAP’s financial reports. So why did the documentary not include any of it?<br />
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Also absent is any remotely adequate explanation of CAP’s practical support; jobs clubs; life skills classes and debt counselling offered to beneficiaries for free by CAP which are life changing for tens of thousands of the nation’s most disadvantaged people. But the audience aren’t shown this. CAP’s initiatives are obscured, so that viewers are left ambivalent about its merit.<br />
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We see Kirkby entertaining bankers at a fundraiser on “Jersey, The Channel Islands”, as an on-screen caption tells us. We’ve not been told anything about locations at any other point in the documentary. Might this reference to the islands be a deliberate, subtle attempt to subconsciously conjure up viewers’ anger about tax havens? We’re given several lines about the payment system operated by CAP: indebted individuals pay CAP who pay off their loans, and CAP has an arrangement with banks from which they benefit financially. It’s oddly vague. Presumably CAP’s funds and involvement ultimately make it possible for extortionate interest to be avoided by those in debt; but what’s shown might give the impression that CAP is aiming to profit itself. Kirkby is shown telling the bankers that their plans are expansive and they “have needs” but no footage is included of him telling the bankers about beneficiaries. It seems a deliberate effort to give the impression that Kirkby is greed-driven.<br />
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We see an aged photo of two small boys. Our tugged hearts are broken as a late-20’s Gaz tells us that at the time that he was one of those boys, he was being abused. The nickname that he tells us that he was subsequently bullied with when his torture became known to his classmates makes us aware that this abuse included rape. His mother threw him out as a teenager, leaving him living in a skip. Gaz’s attitude is truly remarkable; our secular culture today favours the concept of moving on, but he goes further, telling us that his experience is nothing to run from, but is a tool to help others. Will non-Christian viewers take note of this? One of the most frequently expressed objections to God is that He permits suffering — but Gaz, like many Christians, is testament to the fact that suffering can be used for good when our lives are dedicated to God, almost nullifying the atheists’ objection. Watching him later recount to CAP beneficiaries having encountered his abuser in adulthood, Gaz describes his conscious decision to forgive — but we see no mention of Jesus. It seems to me certain that this will have been on account of the programme’s editing.<br />
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Glen Scrivener, a notable online evangelical personality tweeted about the making of this programme, “The BBC cameras were there when @MartinSLewis came. They filmed him saying ‘Christians Against Poverty is not about helping Christians, it’s about helping people.. I, not as a member of your faith, will continue to support you with every ounce of my being’.” This was affirmed by Martin Lewis who retweeted Glen Scrivener’s comment — and yet that moment of footage ended up on the cutting room floor. Why? Martin Lewis has an OBE, appears regularly on television — both as a guest and as a host of his own programme — and has 12 million people subscribed to his website’s weekly email. To exclude commentary from such a respected figure would seem to betray significant bias on the part of the programme makers.<br />
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According to 2017 Barna research, 59% of British adults see a role for the Church, but only 33% believe that Churches are currently making a positive difference in the world. Debt Saviours should have been an occasion for some of the non-Christian public to discover that the Church is serving a role; but the obfuscation of CAP’s efficacy in relieving debt has perhaps denied them this.<br />
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Have the BBC cut footage of Jesus being mentioned? It seems to me unlikely that evangelicals would fail to mention the Gospel for all of the time that they were being interviewed. CAP’s site states: “we all have joy, hope, peace, love and compassion in our hearts that we believe are the fruit of knowing and following Jesus. [... P]ouring love, care and attention into often very dysfunctional families [... is] what we believe Jesus asks us to do.” The programme’s neglect of these points renders it shallow, devoid of the ultimate message of hope, and misleads the audience into imagining selfish motivations on the part of CAP.<br />
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During CAP’s retreat, Kirkby informs one beneficiary — Holly — that she’s now debt free, and he and a female mentor shower Holly with congratulations. Holly sits alone on her bed and releases some of her joy in expletives. It’s authentic and heartwarming, as much as I dislike the F word. Prior to this, she’s discussed wanting to become a Christian and being uncertain of how to do so. Later she declares her intention to engage substantially with the Church. Her story truly appears a genuine example of a CAP client becoming enthusiastic about exploring Christianity — but the documentary has been so devoid of The Good News being shared with beneficiaries, one might wonder why.<br />
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It is made clear, however, that prayer is offered, as we witness during several visits to beneficiaries. Kirkby, quizzed about this by the interviewer, expounds, “I hugely believe in the power of prayer.” “But they’re vulnerable,” the interviewer asserts — “so it’s not surprising that an individual would say yes.”<br />
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Kirkby: “Well yeah, they’re in need of hope.”<br />
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Based on this programme, perhaps many non-Christians will take the view that the deception which they consider Christianity to be overrules the hope that’s created. It’s common practice for journalists to ask questions to which they know the answer of course, so perhaps the interviewer has the intention of drawing out of Kirkby what needs to be underscored. Yet it seems very much to be the interviewer’s presumption that it’s inherently wrong that people would be presented with an offer of prayer whilst they’re particularly likely to accept it. It’s been pre-determined that prayer is inherently conniving or exploitative, and that CAP are cynically targeting disadvantaged, perhaps even gullible people of whom they can take advantage. Christians watching are gladdened to see the good news being shared; but the interrogation by the presenter — who keeps himself off-camera throughout — seeks to affirm non-Christians’ suspicion that the priority of Christian organisations is proselytising.<br />
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On their blog, CAP published a statement about Debt Saviours. One point that feels pertinent is that they were allowed no editorial control. They decided to agree to the project whilst taking this into consideration since it would be an invaluable opportunity to make themselves known, but what legitimate reason could the production company have had for allowing CAP no input whatsoever? “It wasn’t a perfect representation of CAP but still worth doing. Of course, there are frustrations that the documentary didn’t show all we wanted but viewers aren’t daft. They see through it.” I dearly wish that were true for all viewers! but I’m certain that it wasn’t. CAP were manipulated by the programme makers — and some tweeters and bloggers observed this whilst others were led to believe that CAP is the manipulator.<br />
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Nevertheless, as they note on their blog they “felt the love. A team of us were kept busy on social media through Friday night and #TheDebtSaviours was trending. Across the weekend it never stopped.” The crux of the matter is whether the net positivity in viewers’ minds on witnessing CAP’s help and kindness outweighed the negativity felt by viewers as a result of the skewed portrayal of CAP’s Christian ethos. On the assumption that individuals who are opposed to offering prayer to non-Christians would have already harboured this resentment, such that in their minds the programme would have made little difference, I suspect that Debt Saviours may indeed have had a slight net positive impact. There’s certainly multifarious commentary on social media:<br />
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#debtsaviours The more I look into CAP, the more frightening it looks. If only it was just helping 'The Poor'. It/Kirkby appear to have links with C3, Phil Pringle, and a host of apparently rich evangelists in NZ, Canada, Australia. These were not mentioned on the programme. Why?<br />
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@CAPuk @JohnKirkby #debtsaviours OMG, am I the only 1 who finds all this a bit sinister? These ppl are vulnerable & to get them up and speak about what CAP have done for them was using their abuse/history for donations. What a lucrative business though! BTW, r cults tax exempt?<br />
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#Debtsaviours Seems to be a program on BBC2 where evangelicals are preying on the most vulnerable people in our society. Very creepy.<br />
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#Debtsaviours just a big recruitment drive for their church.<br />
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Watching #Debtsaviours Known @CAPuk since it started & nothing I didn’t already know. As an atheist I always struggle with people with firmly held religious views not least because faith in a god is so clearly ridiculous I assume that anyone who says they believes is a fraud.<br />
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#debtsaviours I personally have no faith but I do know that the work my Mum does for @CAPuk is about helping people of all faiths (or none) and backgrounds in the community. She was disappointed the portrayal on @BBCTwo didn’t show more of their work within EVERY community.<br />
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Conflicted by #Debtsaviours. We work with @CAPuk and they deliver great outcomes for clients. But some of the evangelical practice did make me feel very uncomfortable. Questioning my own bias as most of #twitter seems supportive.<br />
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Christians Against Poverty's work has had a positive impact on the lives of the people it's helped. But that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to some of its more ethically dubious practices, says our chief executive @Stephenmevans1 https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2018/10/the-questionable-ethics-of-evangelical-debt-advice … #TheDebtSaviours<br />
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The article to which this last tweet linked — a statement by Secularism UK — conveyed predictable hostility, alongside the single complimentary sentence, “Christians Against Poverty’s work has had a positive impact on the lives of the people it has helped.” It claims — on what evidence is undisclosed — that “CAP has a poor reputation amongst professional debt advisers from organisations such as Citizens Advice.” But that it then states that, “A particular concern is that the volunteers invite their clients to pray. It also invites some clients along to ‘discovery breaks’.” This suggests that there’s a lack of real evidence that CAP are ineffective in debt alleviation. Secularism UK alerts us that clients are “manipulated into considering ‘the reality of a God who loves and cares for them.’” But does not ‘manipulation’ imply the motivation of profiting from the person being manipulated? Some viewers of Debt Saviours will interpret CAP as manipulative — but some will acknowledge that, if nothing else, CAP’s pastoral care is positive for individuals feeling dejected. As one tweet in reply to Secularism UK stated:<br />
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Struggling to see the “ethically dubious practices” you seem hung up about. @CAPuk #DebtSaviours does not insist clients participate in prayer/weekends away in order to use the service. They are just taking a more holistic approach, they care, is this so wrong?<br />
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I was slightly disappointed in #DebtSaviours @BBCTwo @CAPuk is an amazing organisation which helps people of all faiths and none, but it was portrayed as slightly cultish in its #Christianity which I think gave the wrong impression.<br />
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@BBC You've focused too much on the 'Christian' and not enough on the 'Against Poverty'. I think you've been pretty divisive, if I'm honest. Not all clients make any link to a Church, but they still get help!!.....<br />
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….I have to agree; pretty nasty attempt by #BBC to discredit #CAP in the eyes of our liberal pluralistic society - #DebtSaviours last night. Debt is a killer - too many suicides. CAP has literally saved hundreds of lives.<br />
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Well done @JohnKirkby putting up with this muppet skeptic interviewer<br />
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What a guy. Could listen to John Kirby #christiansagainstpoverty @CAPuk all day<br />
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Many other tweets gushed with glee to see a Christian organisation on BBC primetime television, but most were conspicuously from Christians. Perhaps some will be inspired to consider ways in which they support work like CAP’s; but of paramount significance is the impact that Debt Saviours had on viewers like these:<br />
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Sorry, I'm a militant atheist but I don't think people are being fair to CAP. They do good work and sure, they bang on about god a bit, but their motivation is to bring people into their community rather than dump them when the job is done.<br />
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Can’t fault religion when it causes people to do good things like this @CAPuk #Debtsaviours<br />
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#Debtsaviours If you believe that they were following an imaginary friend in the sky, and are deluded, at the least, their delusion is leading those who work for CAP to strive to help those in desperate need. This isn't being a fraud, it's genuinely seeking the good of others.<br />
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It falls to us to pray and strive for those around to come to know that indeed CAP wants to tell people about Christ — because He offers to pay the ultimate debt that we each owe.<br />
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.<br />
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<br />GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-60398269934097076202019-03-07T20:19:00.002-08:002019-03-07T20:19:29.486-08:00Something wicked this way comesSabrina the Teenage Witch was rebooted for Generation Z recently.
It’s just one marker of an undeniable trend — of reboots, but also of
witchcraft. Whilst I and other millennials were growing up, Sabrina was
popular, and I avoided the programme having somehow picked up the idea
that witchcraft — albeit in a sitcom — was not something with which we
ought sympathise. Sabrina would have otherwise appeared innocuous,
apparently busying herself with seemingly trivial travails of
adolescence amidst tepid comedy. By contrast, the Netflix reinvention is
entitled ‘The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina,’ and whilst Sabrina is
still a high school student, reviews indicate a radical shift in tone. A
‘chilling’ atmosphere, of course, is not necessarily something to
object to. What <em>is</em> deeply disturbing is that the new programme
has Satan as a central presence. Sabrina is the daughter of a Satanic
priest, and is expected to undergo a “dark baptism” — her family’s
equivalent to a Bat Mitzvah, as she tells her boyfriend. She comes to
doubt whether it’s right to surrender her soul to Satan — not because of
his being Satan, of course, but because of her objection as a feminist
to submitting to a male.<br />
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As just one small marker of the embracing of the programme, a
Buzzfeed survey of almost 100,000 people placed ‘The Chilling Adventures
of Sabrina’ as the most popular new drama series of the year. The
survey also found it to be the most popular Netflix original series of
the year, suggesting widespread acceptance of the occult amongst young
adults and teens. Reportedly the program includes cannibalism, but
whether this is conveyed as morally right and wrong I can’t say.
“[W]hatever is true, whatever is honourable, whatever is just, whatever
is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any
excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these
things.” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+4%3A8&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Philippians 4:8</a>).<br />
Sabrina’s reincarnation coincides with that of ‘Charmed’ — a 90s
series about three sisters who are witches. Both programmes have been
greeted with tremendous excitement. Nothing surprising about this, of
course. We grew up with Harry Potter, as well as ‘The Worst Witch’ and
other media celebrating witchcraft. Disney and many more stories suggest
that witches are dangerous — but I’m certain that JK Rowling has done
much to convince my peers of witchcraft’s virtues.<br />
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil…” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+5%3A20&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Isaiah 5:20</a>)<br />
If this social trend in popular perceptions of witchcraft is clear
enough, less clear is how many people are progressing from that into
identifying as witches or practising witchcraft. <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/witchcraft-wiccans-mysticism-astrology-witches-millennials-pagans-religion-1221019" rel="noopener" target="_blank">A Newsweek article in November</a>
declared, “Number Of Witches Rises Dramatically Across U.S. As
Millennials Reject Christianity,” but the article failed to provide a
reference to the data that it claims this assertion is based on
(“religious studies from Trinity College, Connecticut,” seem not to be
online), and the Media Research Centre <a href="https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/jacob-comello/2018/11/20/newsweek-witchcraft-rises-millennials-reject-christianity" rel="noopener" target="_blank">argues that Newsweek’s claim is unwarranted</a>.<br />
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Ultimately, the religious label that a person chooses to wear when
surveyed doesn’t necessarily provide clear insight into their beliefs
and practices. For decades, almost ten times as many British survey
participants have labelled themselves as Christian as read the Bible and
attend Church. As MRC suggests, Witchcraft is increasingly considered
not to be evil (as it previously was), but instead to be a resistance
movement aimed at supposed good. Witches were, until (relatively)
recently, the villains of stories, with the word ‘witch’ itself
frequently being used to refer to any unkind female. Now, those who
identify as witches believe themselves to be noble warriors against
social injustice — particularly The Patriarchy, which they blame in no
small part on Christianity. Consequently, when surveyed regarding their
religion, some might answer that they are Wiccan or Pagan whilst in fact
not participating in the practices.<br />
Nevertheless, <a href="https://qz.com/quartzy/1411909/the-explosive-growth-of-witches-wiccans-and-pagans-in-the-us/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Quartzy’s claim</a>
that Pew Research data has found that 1.5 million Americans identify as
Wiccan or Pagan is disturbing. Whether casting spells or not, these
individuals are rebelling against Christianity — likely their own
misinterpretation of it based on negative aspects of its history, but
ultimately against the Gospel itself. This is a tragedy. Here in
Britain, <a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religioninenglandandwales2011/2012-12-11" rel="noopener" target="_blank">the Office for National Statistics found that 57,000 people identified as Pagan and 39,000 as Spiritualist in 2011</a>.<br />
This community of occultists remains cloistered, yet inklings occasionally appear from mainstream media sources, such as the “<a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19211852" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Secret life of modern-day witches</a>”
from the BBC in 2012 which interviews witches in Lancashire. One “runs
her own witch school and has taught more than 60 witches,” claiming, “We
never do nasty spells. They’re always so life takes a better turn.”<br />
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Percolating through numerous mainstream news outlets across the pond
earlier this year was the story that Sephora, a prominent cosmetics
brand, had advertised a “Starter Witch Kit.” It was soon removed from
sale due to public outcry — not that the public are unsettled by
witchcraft, but rather that the kit was considered heinous cultural
appropriation.<br />
Yet there’s certainly plenty of money in the occult merchandise industry. Buzzfeed’s “<a href="https://www.buzzfeed.com/corinfaife/how-witchcraft-became-a-brand" rel="noopener" target="_blank">How Witchcraft Became A Brand</a>”
last year spotlighted spiritual item subscription boxes — that is,
subscribers paying monthly to receive a surprise selection of tea,
crystals, aromatherapy and “spiritual growth tools” by post. Buzzfeed
spoke to the owner of Goddess Supplies, which, at a cost of $30 monthly,
increased its subscriber base from 300 to almost 6,000 in 18 months;
today, its site boasts having featured in extremely widely read
magazines, including <em>Refinery29</em>, <em>Glamour</em>, <em>People</em> and <em>Elle</em>.
Etsy, which I’d already read is a hot spot for witches, is said by
Buzzfeed to offer 28,000 results for the search term Witchcraft — but
upon searching the site for Witchcraft today, less than 17 months later,<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/02/07/something-wicked-this-way-comes-a-reflection-on-the-popular-rise-of-witchcraft/#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1">[1]</a>
I’m returned over 44,000 items. Of course, there are plenty of
witch-related items that simply don’t have Witchcraft in their title or
tags. I’m struck by the numerical evidence of rapid growth. Items
include T-shirts and jewellery — but many of the listings are for
trinkets purporting to have magical powers. It bemuses me that so many
would wish to spend money on entirely unscientific tools; I’m quite sure
that many others would deem this a laughable superstitious con — some
may be literally snake oil. The high number of listings is in spite of
Etsy <a href="https://www.dailydot.com/irl/etsy-witchcraft-ban/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">apparently causing uproar by banning listings of spells two years previously</a>.
Despite the reduction in sales the ban will have caused, from its
imposition onwards, Etsy saw growth in witch related purchases increase
almost 60% over the subsequent two years.<br />
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“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”</div>
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Matthew 6:21</div>
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Market Watch <a href="https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-millennials-are-ditching-religion-for-witchcraft-and-astrology-2017-10-20" rel="noopener" target="_blank">reported in October 2017</a>
that the psychic services industry grew to be worth approximately $2
billion by 2016. “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be
also” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A21&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Matthew 6:21</a>).<br />
The same article also claimed that more than half of young adults in
the U.S. believe astrology is a science — but it’s unclear whether this
includes those who mistakenly confuse astrology with astronomy. In a
discussion with another spiritual subscription box seller, the piece
quotes that “she says she’s seen a 75% increase in her audience in the
past year,” and references an astrology app, Co-Star, which crashed
three times in its premier week due to excess of demand.<br />
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No niche apps are necessary for those wishing to explore witchcraft
of course — the conventional, most widely used apps are rife with
Paganism also. Reports repeatedly reference Instagram, where, for
example, #witch today returns 7,271,165 posts — almost twice the 3.7
million that Buzzfeed refers to in their aforementioned article of a
year and a half earlier.<span class="image-and-copyright-container">
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<em>Stylist</em> (distributed freely to commuters) wrote two years
ago that, “Some white witches now cast emoji spells,” and offered
readers suggestions to “infuse your daily routine with these magical
practices, which may or may not work…” — including a Fertility spell and
“Career crystal.” Earlier this year, the magazine sought to enlighten
readers as to “<a href="https://www.stylist.co.uk/long-reads/tarot-reading-card-witchcraft-witch-magic-wellness-mental-health-books-reading/200830" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Why it’s time to awaken your inner witch</a>,”
claiming that Tarot “cards guide you on solutions and a better sense of
self-awareness, as opposed to the Yes, No, Ask Again Later advice of a
Magic Eight Ball…. Magick is a way for us to weave meaning into our
lives.” This is at once laughable, disturbing and tragic. One is duty
bound to ask why people are so dismissive and/or unaware of the rational
belief to be had in Christ, that they feel somehow comforted or
empowered by pieces of stiffened paper? Have they considered that they
might simply be being conned into spending on magical merchandise? How
do they understand failed spells and predictions, without having the
trust in a God who knows better than we do? Those pursuing Paganism are
in rebellion against God — as we all were (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A23&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Romans 3:23</a>)
— but at the same time, they’re engaging with the occult because
they’re spiritually thirsty. Their misunderstanding of Christianity
means that they’re unaware of the thirst-quenching offered to them in
the Gospel.<br />
<em>Vice</em> regularly champions witchcraft, as well as offering
readers ongoing diagnoses of their star signs — oddly juxtaposed with
some high calibre journalism (* that is to say, some of its other
journalism is high calibre, there are also many varieties of folly aside
from spiritualism). 2015’s “<a href="https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/xye9zz/the-trials-of-being-a-witch-today" rel="noopener" target="_blank">The Trials of Being a Witch Today</a>”
reflected upon historical persecution of those accused of witchcraft,
and argued that, “Although women are no longer put to death for their
magical powers, many still face prejudice in today’s society.” One
interviewee, we were told, “was in primary school when she first found
paganism.” This is a startling remark. I can’t help but wonder whether
the girl was influenced by bullying, by a tumultuous home life, or by
childhood fiction. She recounted being “told by a preacher that I was
going to go to hell after he noticed my pentacle… as I walked past him
to give a homeless man a cup of tea and a pasty because it was a cold
afternoon. I found it rather ironic that I was told I was going to hell
when I was clearly trying to help another in need.” Whilst a comment
like this should not for a minute be regarded as anything like
persecution, the anecdote should remind us as Christians to be
thoughtful in how we interact with those following dangerous spiritual
paths. She now “truly believe[s] children should be taught about
paganism in schools as it would help to promote a better understanding
of what it’s about.”<br />
<br />
<br />
Another witch in the same article recounts, “I was cornered and
attacked in the toilets by a group of girls, who called me a Satanic
bitch.” From this she argues that “the law desperately needs changing as
we should be better protected by the [Criminal Justice Act 2003], and
being able to put our belief on the census as an ‘official’ religion
would be an amazing start.” We aren’t offered any data regarding attacks
on witches, and conclusions can’t be drawn from a single anecdote; it
is vital, however, that in opposing witchcraft, we make clear that we
don’t condone any such abuse (since non-Christians will all too readily
blame Christianity for discrimination). The account serves as a reminder
that whilst paganism is one demonstration of an attitude that rejects
God, many others reject God also: the person who violently attacks a
witch is just as much in need of the salvation Jesus offers, as the
witch herself is.<br />
But will the census and the national curriculum ever include
witchcraft as this witch suggested? It will presumably depend on whether
the upward trend in their numbers continues. That seems plausible. Some
data <a href="http://derby.openrepository.com/derby/bitstream/10545/622746/1/Chapter+19+Goddess+in+Witchcraft.pdf" rel="noopener" target="_blank">suggests an increase in Wicca of 1675% in just one decade between 1990 and 2001</a>.
Rather than this being a passing trend, almost two decades later the
movement is flourishing, and highly popular screen depictions such as
Sabrina and Charmed will prime the next generation. A Buffy reboot is
reportedly in the works, along with a series adaptation of ‘His Dark
Materials.’ Harry Potter may have finished at Hogwarts, but the
franchise is still luring in young readers as well as continuing to
entrance the millennials who grew up with it.<br />
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<br />
Whilst paganism is not yet an option on the census, another indicator
suggests that society is shifting in that direction. The British Armed
Forces have just initiated “the Defence Pagan Network.” This was
highlighted in Spiked’s recent opinion piece “<a href="https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/11/30/spare-me-this-pagan-revival/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Spare me this Pagan Revival</a>,”
in which Julie Burchill bemoans the fact that “it’s been quite a year
for pagans,” referencing their demand for prison chaplains and ‘Thought
For The Day’ slots on Radio 4. She puts forward the interesting
proposition that “these days the occult has to some extent taken the
place of sex for the notoriously chaste Generation Z,” though she also
acknowledges that since paganism is saturated with sex, “such people are
generally perverts, and not even sexy ones.” Refreshingly, she
promulgates the value of Christianity as a force for good in society —
but millennial media voices seem not to see this.<br />
<a href="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/270/media/images/62320000/jpg/_62320966_kathynew.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="Kathy Rowan-Drewitt" border="0" class="js-image-replace" data-highest-encountered-width="270" height="299" src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/270/media/images/62320000/jpg/_62320966_kathynew.jpg" width="224" /></a>Another of Vice’s many features on witchcraft <a href="https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/qvwe3x/the-young-brujas-reclaiming-the-power-of-their-ancestors" rel="noopener" target="_blank">declared in January 2018</a>,
“Long stigmatized by colonizers and the Catholic Church, indigenous
forms of spirituality and witchcraft are experiencing a renaissance
among Latinx<a class="sup" href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/02/07/something-wicked-this-way-comes-a-reflection-on-the-popular-rise-of-witchcraft/#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2">[2]</a>
millennials,” and several others have gleefully reported on an apparent
movement by some African Americans to unshackle themselves from the
supposedly oppressive Christianity that was imposed on their enslaved
ancestors by immersing themselves in African tribal witchcraft. Perhaps
the lesson of this is that, as Christians, we need to be more forthright
and forceful in denouncing racism, even if not personally responsible
for the accusations made by anti-Christian sources.<br />
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The extent to which some modern withes believe themselves to be morally superior was evidenced this summer <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45928212" rel="noopener" target="_blank">when dozens of them gathered together to place a hex on Brett Kavanaugh as he was awaiting confirmation to the Supreme Court</a>.
One organiser remarked, “[We see] the witch as a political figure who
threatens and works to take down the patriarchy. This has been seen
throughout history, but more recently in American society. We uphold
this legacy which merges art, political theatre, religious iconology and
socio-political resistance.”<br />
A decade ago, Richard Dawkins and co. confidently asserted that
belief in the supernatural was on its death bed. Would they have
foreseen gatherings of witches making international news?<br />
Nevertheless, amongst what we might lump together as ‘modern
paganism,’ there are those who are in fact atheists. I refer to members
of the Satanic Temple, an organization which recently sued the makers of
the Sabrina reboot for its appropriation of their deity. I was struck,
last year, by a Vice report, in which members of the Satanic Temple
explained that Satan is, to them, a <em>symbol</em> of rebellion, rather
than a supernatural being. Their site lists “seven fundamental tenets,”
including, “One should strive to act with compassion and empathy
towards all creatures in accordance with reason” — though others
highlight the threatening nature of the organisation — “The struggle for
justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over
laws and institutions.” Whilst positive in theory, will clearly lead to
fervent protests; “One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will
alone,” is a staunch pro-abortion proclamation (as the footage I’d seen
demonstrated). “The freedoms of others should be respected, including
the freedom to offend,” is an unashamed declaration of intent to attack
Christianity; and, “To wilfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms
of another is to forgo one’s own,” evidences their belief that they are
entirely justified in doing so.<br />
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<br />
Meanwhile, the separate Church of Satan proclaims on its site that
“Satanists are atheists…. Our position is to be self-centered”. It
states that Satanism is “not congruent with any other philosophy or
religion which endorses the belief in supernatural entities — inc. Wicca
and Voodoo.”<br />
Ironically, there is active occult practice alive within the Anglo-Catholic Church, <a href="https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2018/14-december/features/features/on-the-wings-of-the-dawn-the-lure-of-the-occult" rel="noopener" target="_blank">according to a Church Times piece in December</a>.<br />
We have vital lessons to learn through this grotesque trend. Whilst
we pray against the forces of the occult, we must remember that
“rebellion is as the sin of divination” (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+15%3A23&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">1 Samuel 15:23</a>)
— humanity is not a binary of Godly and pagan, we must each continually
repent of our sin and seek God’s help, without allowing ourselves to
feel righteous because of the erroneous spirituality we see around us.
It would be wrong to endorse any spirituality other than the Holy Spirit
— but we must avoid demonising the misguided individuals ensnared by
this evil, recognising that most are driven by frustration with
historical injustices which were also antithetical to Christ’s command.
With God’s guidance, we may be used by Him to steer some of those who
are hungry for the supernatural towards the true bread from heaven.<br />
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<div class="footnote">
<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/02/07/something-wicked-this-way-comes-a-reflection-on-the-popular-rise-of-witchcraft/#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1">[1]</a> This observation was made in November 2018; doubtless the figures have risen still more since then.</div>
<div class="footnote">
<a href="https://etimasthe.com/2019/02/07/something-wicked-this-way-comes-a-reflection-on-the-popular-rise-of-witchcraft/#_ftnref2" name="_ftn2">[2]</a> For the confused reader: this is a term intended to avoid the gender bias inherent in the masculine word ‘Latino.’</div>
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My January sales shopping <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span aria-hidden="true" class="_7oe">:)</span></span><br />
256 reindeer - some glitter covered ornaments, most small solar powered dancing figures. I waited and waited for the Poundshop to lower its prices on Christmas stock, from 50p just after Christmas. Eventually, the items went down to 30p each (and I had a 10% discount code)<br />
So happy <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span aria-hidden="true" class="_7oe">:)</span></span><br />
(Obviously, they're for <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=98111658208&extragetparams=%7B%22__tn__%22%3A%22%2CdK-R-R%22%2C%22eid%22%3A%22ARAM7Zmte0WbGoQEox_nzZ_cYeX9xHYnFFjHsDH9uBPXPJ8SP7ifLk9y36Oogpyx4ubNCJBnnNvMYLhX%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22mentions%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/OCCshoeboxes/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARAM7Zmte0WbGoQEox_nzZ_cYeX9xHYnFFjHsDH9uBPXPJ8SP7ifLk9y36Oogpyx4ubNCJBnnNvMYLhX&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDWj7SNC2t8JIlulHs1zY6eNkclZ9_DMVqNDmfZPPfnXhbg7ULVS4KRTK6SmX0lTbnq6lb90cgOEpynp8gNG9Xu4XuNw07f8-QpY5vFB9EersMObYxcjlY3DDM4KEVhEfCSbtvyldY-u7_qCXZ1EHVGm06rnd_4G-5QGEBK4Xvc43tJKx3mZc8VALwQ38I1VhDs7P-TSnxbKoxk">Operation Christmas Child</a> boxes later this year)<br />
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I recently watched the documentary The True Cost (I should have watched it ages ago).<br />
I was aware of the grotesque exploitation of garment workers, working all waking hours and being paid barely enough to buy their depressing diet of rice.<br />
I was aware that they're also put at serious risk - because corporate greed means that safety precautions are scandalously inadequate - leading to numerous casualties, including 1,134 when the Rana Plaza factory collapsed (not to mention many more left crippled - in a nation without support for the disabled - and their families left without mothers). I haven't words for how wrong it is.<br />
Something I'd not been aware of that the programme discussed was that, in the Indian subcontinent, giant multinational corporations (namely Monsanto) sell farmers pesticides made with waste chemicals that cause extremely high levels of birth defects and cancer. Victims' families endeavour to pay for treatment (having no NHS, obvs) - inc. drugs from the same multinationals - but end up in debt.... 250, 000 Indian farmers have been recorded as having committed suicide in the last 16 years, 1 each half hour (presumably, there'll be more who aren't recorded).<br />
It's all too heartbreaking to process.<br />
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This (Youtube clip) is utterly, beyond-words horrible, but I feel it needs sharing:<br />
<a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dt0kC1B__CJ4%26fbclid%3DIwAR00ivzLN5unXKFW83qb3s10or7gerMYF2N5FZ2EAzIcFCAEKSBRU1Z72rU&h=AT2CzhOnypVcMOGL1qICPSL6Gppkkxw1wWyszzRecChbtmZX4oimaZU9KcKAwpQ-uu3VcGX2E0lb5_e866SQVBnFswWTXO2U0_AJM2uvcOqgkYZeWwMQhq-2qkJtuSLjXy90Rqsnf9v5Lj4xefXYJ-BHK4EkFXUEbQ" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0kC1B__CJ4&fbclid=IwAR00ivzLN5unXKFW83qb3s10or7gerMYF2N5FZ2EAzIcFCAEKSBRU1Z72rU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0kC1B__CJ4</a><br />
It continually astounds me that many people - particularly young lefties like myself - genuinely believe that abortion is a moral cause and that those opposed to abortion are immoral. This is pure evil.<br />
NB, I'm aware that many (hopefully most) people who would consider themselves pro-choice would not support what's discussed in this clip - but this t<span class="text_exposed_show">ruly is a slippery slope issue. Here in the UK, the law states that an abortion should only be allowed if 2 doctors agree that "the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family". Yet we all know that abortion is always presumed to be a potential choice when someone is pregnant, irrespective of whether there's risk to the woman; and that almost abortions (as evidenced by statistics) happen because the woman feels that she doesn't want a baby at the time, not because the pregnancy is dangerous.<br />Please note also, I *hate* abortion - I do NOT hate those who've had them. Pro-choicers endlessly bemoan pro-lifers for being "judgemental", but whilst some pro-lifers may be judgemental, that doesn't mean that we all are. As you might hate hard drugs and knife crime but not hate/judge all of those caught up in them, I hate abortion itself rather than women.<br />If you felt that the foetus was a human (which it is, there's no question about it biologically) child, you might hate abortion too.that's<br />Ultimately, abortion is mostly only ever wanted because our culture has misled us into thinking that sex is healthy and necessary regularly once we turn 16 - most accidental pregnancies occur because sex very early in a relationship has been normalised (by corporate forces, because sex sells), when in reality, that's just not necessary to enjoy life. So I blame companies that have manipulated attitudes to sex for putting women in situations where they face the stress of an accidental pregnacy.<br />Sorry for rambling away like a nutter.</span><br />
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<a href="https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/british-catholic-herald-magazine-met-with-steve-bannon?fb_action_ids=2060252650688749&fb_action_types=og.comments&fbclid=IwAR1bRNfmk3ufdYT4OP3UiqvGqY6t4c-VsGeb5wPbDUVXmWXfpgwmYlNqyTQ" target="_blank">A British Catholic Magazine Met With Steve Bannon To Come Up With A List Of “Catholic Influencers And Millionaires” </a><br />
I'm compelled to beg anyone reading this - don't let hypocrites who clearly aren't following Christ determine whether you ever explore Jesus Himself.<br />
Jesus spent much of His time arguing with people who claimed to be religious whilst in fact having hearts that were only in love with power, not with God. The same thing has continued throughout history; plenty of people use "religion", because it makes them feel proud and superior, to assume dominance. Jesus Himself made it cle<span class="text_exposed_show">ar repeatedly that we mustn't seek wealth, and commands us to love and humbly serve others. <br />There are historical arguments for Him genuinely having defeated death; and today billions of people experience inner peace and joy because of Him; and whilst I don't expect anyone reading this to take it seriously, please, please don't let people like those in this article be the reason that you don't explore Christ.<br />"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world [love of wealth] corrupt you"James 1:27</span></div>
GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-43697096276869473672019-03-03T09:35:00.000-08:002019-03-08T14:57:40.240-08:00<div class="_42ef">
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com%2Ftrending%2Fkylie-jenner-youngest-billionaire-forbes-magazine-11315084%3Fcid%3DFBcna%26fbclid%3DIwAR1bqhB_dEn6eloJlJNWbvbnOfJ5il_FkjjaAsduj3zY8B2qjnlOJJSReD0&h=AT2UzZOJUbH8YS3Sv02zNGeaD1NFgKQEnJ8Xr2eelByoLCfWeQPpedDLXPJPu9iV1r79TXAU7jqFeWdb0HrO0LEuanuODtt0UKJWe8Dqk-fV8hc0zSpspPVWe9GGmuTHWlabPA" href="https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/trending/kylie-jenner-youngest-billionaire-forbes-magazine-11315084?cid=FBcna&fbclid=IwAR1bqhB_dEn6eloJlJNWbvbnOfJ5il_FkjjaAsduj3zY8B2qjnlOJJSReD0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Keeping up with Kylie: Jenner is world's youngest billionaire</span></a></div>
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She's
not at all self made. She has the money that she does because of the
fame that she has on account of her family, and the fact that social
media makes it possible for the very luckiest few individuals to gain
millions of followers and in turn customers. People working in
factories, earning barely enough to survive, work far, far, far harder
than Kylie Jenne, but she's simply ridiculously lucky.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fus-people-michael-jackson-idUSKCN1QM2DB%3Futm_campaign%3DtrueAnthem%253A%2BTrending%2BContent%26utm_content%3D5c7f13674b7385000164e08f%26utm_medium%3DtrueAnthem%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2cDV0Zlrbnu1q1TOSOhlJ6h6Wy0Zzzp_HwbVo-vB4KdLauyQq-dmXGFjY&h=AT1PlwyT54TFkausLrqQSbPNOMz5B0fC70UlWDL9UMV0i25iUxS5b4M1-GuZgnnP3D6n98yjxvZZoj7WeU4A1WC3jXM8gIp1FYxJGysxdUrg4aj5p6EtFVOlpgxyVCZTGVsfOg" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-michael-jackson-idUSKCN1QM2DB?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c7f13674b7385000164e08f&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2cDV0Zlrbnu1q1TOSOhlJ6h6Wy0Zzzp_HwbVo-vB4KdLauyQq-dmXGFjY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Backlash begins over 'Leaving Neverland' Jackson abuse documentary</span></a></div>
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Might
not all this obsessing over Michael Jackson as a spectacle for public
interest be somewhat painful for other victims of abuse?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2019%2F03%2F05%2Ftrans-prisoners-are-not-dangerous-but-thats-the-message-a-separate-unit-sends-8810178%2F%3Fito%3Dsocial%26fbclid%3DIwAR2YpvJPM3nBoDue8xBC7GB4l2ePdVNKi0Oi2Em_nHP559K3wWkFILNvTl0&h=AT0gC6_9r5AFh_4g83AMzYLnm8f_eQ70KjZwi2nSuL9xXuf_h6Iw5JkctnxBGHI_aHIlBAcv14sdNMPIsiwJ71WxdK_TKm_R2CZjYDsah6Z1THHcqPXxyk3-DAcqV6d0plbUPw" href="https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/05/trans-prisoners-are-not-dangerous-but-thats-the-message-a-separate-unit-sends-8810178/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR2YpvJPM3nBoDue8xBC7GB4l2ePdVNKi0Oi2Em_nHP559K3wWkFILNvTl0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Trans prisoners are not dangerous, but that's the message a separate unit sends</span></a></div>
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It's
not just about trans prisoners - unfortunately, it has to also be about
those who'd claim to be trans in order to have opportunities to assault
others. It's wrong to put "messages" you think are sent before safety
from rape* (NB again, not rape by trans people, but by some who might
claim to be trans so as to access women)<br />
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zD0zbSbTNE8/XIHFKAbPvAI/AAAAAAAAAqY/qACZ1WT0qx0eZA8QZdccCM3Ue5aiK6uTQCLcBGAs/s1600/daniel-lincoln-1328147-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1280" height="320" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zD0zbSbTNE8/XIHFKAbPvAI/AAAAAAAAAqY/qACZ1WT0qx0eZA8QZdccCM3Ue5aiK6uTQCLcBGAs/s320/daniel-lincoln-1328147-unsplash.jpg" width="256" /></a><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2019%2F03%2F04%2Fmodern-etiquette-im-getting-abortion-tell-father-8809953%2F%3Fito%3Dsocial%26fbclid%3DIwAR2_M9kJKlD5NKZ-KBYp5cUvG2Pd960UFByFnxWQDB6OzJ0PCrH9dYNGdXg&h=AT1175pcVJPfatPKPy9-TiWC23yoIRYCTGKnC4hTezQQKMsLhz7TDo_is2I039_QzAd9ew8-XrY8vMK-pPDgGQnNOQNJQiNwRaVPa-_9LuDvxUyFgBfoUwFD-MAxiU-jm-OKHw" href="https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/04/modern-etiquette-im-getting-abortion-tell-father-8809953/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR2_M9kJKlD5NKZ-KBYp5cUvG2Pd960UFByFnxWQDB6OzJ0PCrH9dYNGdXg" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Modern Etiquette: I'm getting an abortion - do I have to tell the 'father'?</span></a></div>
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"Etiquette"?
This is literally a matter of life or death, if Metro thinks that
etiquette is the issue here then why should anyone care about Metro's
opinion?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F10%2F17%2Fopinion%2Fgay-and-in-love-at-an-evangelical-college.html%3Fsmid%3Dfb-nytopinion%26smtyp%3Dcur%26fbclid%3DIwAR0pjOsChfrWRfNBivghuOMas4ObYnnoqgoSV0EY3JpsRe6DIhPQj05-JEs&h=AT3mBs6f1_iGNR9FwJ4HgLWXGlVua_jubHAZmcB8yFHliPDQDLZYyr6nSkID3ZwlgxVCYuO9L7vnESAW7aaGY8QGWuZ4CtzKL4qX2Gn1SsTExNpX6PiJLp4FE9xUtWG1Y1VMjw" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/opinion/gay-and-in-love-at-an-evangelical-college.html?smid=fb-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0pjOsChfrWRfNBivghuOMas4ObYnnoqgoSV0EY3JpsRe6DIhPQj05-JEs" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Gay and in Love at an Evangelical College</span></a></div>
The
Bible says that people should not have gay sex - that's distinct from
simply having gay orientation, and either way, the Bible makes it clear
that no one should be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why
Christ died for us.....</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">It
also says women should be quiet in church..that's what happens when you
take verses out of context. Jesus never addressed that issue. St. Paul
was the NY one who said that--he also said that we should obey our
leaders...so Germans should have obeyed
Hitler? That's an example of taking things out of context. Paul wanted
Christians to be blameless in the eyes of the Roman Empire. They were
being persecuted and some were killed for not bowing to the Emperor.
Paul wanted christians to be model citizens.</span></span></i></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Paul's
words about women were written to a specific Church - His words on gay
sex are about the future implications, so aren't restricted to a
community with particular issues in the same way as the verse about
women (other verses in the NT show that, in other Churches, women were in ministry without Paul disputing it).<br />The
NT only contains a tiny chunk of all the things that Jesus said in His
years of ministry, so the fact that it doesn't record Him discussing
homosexual practice doesn't mean that He never did. Even if He never
did, it wouldn't mean that He endorsed it. In the society He was in, it
was a given that homosexual sex was prohibited, so it's unsurprising
that He didn't mention it.it wasn't recorded. Rather, if He did endorse
it, at a time when His audience believed it wrong, why would the NT
writers not have recorded it? He did specifically urge people to adhere
to God's plan of marriage being between one man and one woman, and
condemned Porneia - which translates into sexual immorality, thus would,
to His audience, have included homosexual sex. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvcresources.net%2Fresource-library%2Farticles%2Fjesus-and-homosexuality%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR01gR0D9v4wbb8G24_vWlMQNrt4qTfnYOpITQEaSn08eUUBWe22fi-cF28&h=AT2P2WSL54zvWh7oc3vwp0s9zalWoQz-ry5CWFaADZYL7jEs64b_1PL_Bafffixj1LkTpQ2SwaNHQwNVkv7gXj2Tdsj8xoeIhhyqnhW8EMFFMO33HcMjfeC6IUv5VQ__GEn5" dir="ltr" href="https://www.tvcresources.net/resource-library/articles/jesus-and-homosexuality?fbclid=IwAR01gR0D9v4wbb8G24_vWlMQNrt4qTfnYOpITQEaSn08eUUBWe22fi-cF28" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.tvcresources.net/.../jesus-and-homosexuality</a><br />Ultimately,
God loves EVERYONE, and offers infinitely more joy than sex. There are
gay/same sex attracted Christians who choose to be celibate and can
explain far better than I can their reasoning and their joy in life. The
real issue is that our culture is sex obsessed and unaware of what God
can give. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Filluminaet.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F08%2F31%2Fa-bridge-between-statements-a-bridge-between-worlds-why-i-call-myself-a-gay-or-ssa-celibate-christian%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1daghKJywGrzYW2OSf8WRcTzj8Xn1_IKBnCjk8vJil3ghyzCO9Naeb69w&h=AT1i6qS3VH9ayil1zGQhyQ4x8laSCYHh_enC4-B6g43amQqQ09aC10cARN2VYe5zx9jTqYC_GT69eVxLt-L8mgOFEI0BHegxWoDLpAyX7d13ATAQmK7RIvnyM3-LfXEZ3Oqn" dir="ltr" href="https://illuminaet.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/a-bridge-between-statements-a-bridge-between-worlds-why-i-call-myself-a-gay-or-ssa-celibate-christian/?fbclid=IwAR1daghKJywGrzYW2OSf8WRcTzj8Xn1_IKBnCjk8vJil3ghyzCO9Naeb69w" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://illuminaet.wordpress.com/.../a-bridge-between.../</a></span></span></span></div>
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</span><span class="_36rj"></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm
interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned
in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian,
always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price
for her be? I’m also a business
owner and I have an employee who insists on working on the Sabbath.
Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? I’m
hoping you have answers because when I say things like the thing you
said, and the things I just said, people normally look at me like I’m an
idiot, but I feel that you get me.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why
presume that all of the laws in Exodus are equivocal? Any institution
of manual may have some rules that are situation specific and some that
are permanent. Customs such as arranged marriage and work change over
time, so God may well give particular
guidelines in situations where people are already following particular
traditions; sex is the same thing irrespective of wider society, so
God's guidelines on it can be ongoing. Crucially, various verses in the
New Testament demonstrate that many Old Testament laws no longer apply,
but that those relating to sex do. Eg, "It seemed good to the Holy
Spirit and to us not to burden You must abstain from food sacrificed to
idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual
immorality." Acts 15:28-29<br />"For out of the heart come
evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false
testimony, and slander. These are what defile a man, but eating with
unwashed hands does not defile him.” Matthew 15:19-20</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">hey if you’re going to pick and choose which rules you’re going to foist on others, I get to pick and choose mine. What exactly is the penalty for my wife insisting on wearing a cotton-poly blend? That’s not “voided” by the New Testament and I’m worried that I have to kill her too. Or
if you only mean the sex-related ones, I know that anything you touch
when menstruating is unclean, and that if I were to touch you when you
were, so would I. Does that still apply if I click on your Facebook
profile when you’re menstruating? Or is it only if you were menstruating
when you made the profile?<br />Or is it just the “doin’
it” sex ones, in which case, do I personally have to stone all of the
non-virgins that I know (Deut 22:20) or will you handle that? Or
is it only New Testament rules? If so, I’m also deeply concerned about
your Facebook profile and you having multiple changes of clothes. Luke
3:11 is pretty clear about you needing to give those away to someone who
doesn’t. We’ve established that it isn’t that though because you keep
bringing up the Old Testament rules. I’m so confused! It’s almost like
the goalposts keep moving to satisfy your agenda and that the rules
themselves don’t actually matter!</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e-qpEb0YGZI/XIHFJzPswQI/AAAAAAAAAqU/t6uPQstpDzYfbzvsaLs3lFzNcsDKdr4dgCLcBGAs/s1600/adam-grabek-27370-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1600" height="320" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e-qpEb0YGZI/XIHFJzPswQI/AAAAAAAAAqU/t6uPQstpDzYfbzvsaLs3lFzNcsDKdr4dgCLcBGAs/s320/adam-grabek-27370-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You've
ignored my last comment. It's legitimate not to lump all of the Bible's
rules together, but to consider their context and conflicting verses to
determine which are timeless and which are situational. Also, I'm not
foisting rules on anyone, I'm commenting, and I'm trying to discern God's guidance. And
re me - I rarely buy new clothes, when I do they're from Oxfam (so the
money goes to the poor, which is what the verse you're referencing asks
for). And I don't menstruate, not that the Bible suggests at all that that would be a reason for avoiding someone. Christ
is incomparably more important than this, it's bizarre to bicker about
these far less significant matters rather than Gospel.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It's hard to argue against the self assured self righteous</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What
exactly did I say that suggests I'm self righteous? I'm just
commenting, based on what I can understand of God's word, since that's
what informs genuine evangelicalism. Though obviously, many people who
label themselves as evangelical aren't in fact evangelical at all, hence
bullying by some of them.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span> </div>
<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Ftvandshowbiz%2F8550760%2Fholly-willoughby-evacuated-storm-freya-batterys-luxury-cruise-ship%2F%3Futm_campaign%3Dsunmainfacebook%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR3DoY_XTHXYohnMlKsOuxyKGYtPikC5A9jGGTNLYxNKhr0DTDQvRuhiAmA%23Echobox%3D1551623144&h=AT08IsJyn-Ew8Z7wQhEz8smUJT1eTJXcw_03JnVQqvyrdPwX6AwINOh2PkJKEl5SlUXh8sXW-d1hUbt-Gt-OtfGtLws9TeqcjV6NcQmz6OYjDzUYfp98tXNKG-Zv4w1AX_xCtw" href="https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/8550760/holly-willoughby-evacuated-storm-freya-batterys-luxury-cruise-ship/?utm_campaign=sunmainfacebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3DoY_XTHXYohnMlKsOuxyKGYtPikC5A9jGGTNLYxNKhr0DTDQvRuhiAmA#Echobox=1551623144" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Holly Willoughby evacuated from launch of £750m cruise ship as Storm Freya wreaks havoc</span></a></div>
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The world needs more homes for the homeless and those in slums; more clinics for those with no healthcare; better distribution of nutritious food and help for those who are disadvantaged. The world does not need more cruise ships.</div>
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<i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">do you go on holiday every year or do you stay home?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I stay home. I've not been abroad since family holidays as a child. We're so, so lucky to live in a country where we can have an awesome time without going anywhere <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:)</span></span><br />I'd far, far rather spend the cost of a holiday on something longer lasting, and on giving to those who aren't as lucky as we are in the UK. Most holidays cost more than it costs to sponsor a child for a year, so why would I use that money on 1 week of slightly sunnier weather?</span></span></span></div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fvatican-meeting-shows-a-church-incapable-of-holding-itself-to-account-1.3810159%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3mhx3RP-N9nU3OjYXeUrnrJdWqqkB7znqfxgTsEyd5HUOa6FlPCSB3RDQ&h=AT23LBr64d2ElwkmTCsMV2GjQt81g2zwn5C-v5QyxTJ9ejxWplTuIkOFpDfaf8UJU7roiLiGzdap0S6z7840byt3cb2mD-_Bk6HTxumP8x9z6JOqG7cBlzqMkqv3wFPkvRkWZA" href="https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/vatican-meeting-shows-a-church-incapable-of-holding-itself-to-account-1.3810159?fbclid=IwAR3mhx3RP-N9nU3OjYXeUrnrJdWqqkB7znqfxgTsEyd5HUOa6FlPCSB3RDQ" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Vatican meeting shows a church incapable of holding itself to account</span></a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I hate how so many people now associate Christianity with the very opposite of what Christ did and taught, because of predators like this^</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">the bible teaches incest, murder and abuse. Religion is a problem. No evidence of anything they claimed is there.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">No, the Bible really does not teach those things. It records occurrences of them, much of it is history, it's not just a manual. Christianity is to follow Jesus' teaching, and He repeatedly tells us to love others, meaning that the things you mention are by definition unChristian - though the Bible has plenty of other verses opposing those things in addition to Christ's teachings.<br />How do you know that there's "no evidence" exactly? How much have you investigated? What evidence should there be, if it were true, that's lacking?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">its a most unreliable "history" book written 500 years or more after the facts it purports to represent occured. Its difficult to get a solid testimony from people actualy present at an event, but a 500 + year remove is just works of imagination. Religion is the greatest confidence trick anybody ever concocted.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hy on Earth do you think that the events were written 500 years after they took place? Where are you getting your facts from?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Written by romans to control an unruly populace. Not a shred of evidence exists for god. None.</span></span></i></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">LOL, why would the Romans invent a God who warns people against things that the Romans worshipped and who demonstrates that He's superior to the Roman rulers?<br />How could you know that there's "not a shred of evidence" for God? Has it occurred to you that there might be things you've not yet discovered? Have you actually been looking? Ie, there are endless books, articles and lectures by scientists and philosophers who believe in God that explain why they believe in God - have you weighed up their arguments?<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Ffinetuning%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3HbEhXYUYhpbg7AIfBUYxSH8wwbigBRD17RKKcVIGg56TZCOfQT-iAack&h=AT16A6W63WPDM2XHygB6Me-QZd2kJqM7GYKK5u1jgQA-tHzhduX9Gruf9ZnPa3K1ufCUuTCM2IUODCmAKtw0pJpR7a8KQHMR0PJj_4vLBeDHsKQGEut7_7kfBSgZvlUXW2Lm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></i></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">good woman, you go on believing in your sky wizard.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> the "bible" records only fiction</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">why do you think that the Bible is just fiction and that God is a sky wizard? Seriously, what sources have led you to believe that?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">w</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hy are you defending the indefensible</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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Mick Dalton great surname. I'm not defending the Catholic Church, what do you think I'm defending that's indefesible?</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">'What makes you think the bible is fiction?' We could start with the Adam and Eve fantasy. Then there's Noah's Ark, there's a good fairytale. And how about the guy who spent three days inside a whale, ffs! Not only is it fiction, it's really bad fiction.</span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">S</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">urely you're aware that the Bible is comprised of 66 books? Christian academics debate the literality of some parts of the Old Testament - Hebrew words don't translate perfectly into English and allegory and symbolism were important in the culture in which the Old Testament was written. <br />But who's to say that the creator of nature and its laws can't override those laws on occasion?<br />And whether or not the events that you mention are literal is of little importance by comparison to the fundamental matter of Jesus - if He truly defeated death, we should consider His offer to each of us, and nothing else matters at all as much.<br />Here's an Oxford professor - <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fare-miracles-possible%2Fthe-question-of-miracles-the-contemporary-influence-of-hume%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2OS1o7YfKyctvSNq5-BjNLE59km4Wt1_HmwTVbISbY8V7DQCN5O54D7kk&h=AT3nSQhzlQ1IVtPIrY44DQb0uZLCqc8fHa9i-8LuQPQgPFGAYFTGdHzMWF9Uvwye1yBur5Z0M0NnYhnLwRCgPM19o2oN6MGtci5wJ1i4mHrqul3YkAqSHTphdiIkoW6bHxRq" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/.../the-question-of-miracles...</a></span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Get a reality check Grace. Jesus is a character in a fairy tale</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yWCF1mPOUeY/XIHFcNpSkmI/AAAAAAAAAqk/Jwmo9gpoTNkLSaS1_SZgOnAaYrpHuc-rACLcBGAs/s1600/antonino-visalli-1368711-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1281" data-original-width="1600" height="256" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yWCF1mPOUeY/XIHFcNpSkmI/AAAAAAAAAqk/Jwmo9gpoTNkLSaS1_SZgOnAaYrpHuc-rACLcBGAs/s320/antonino-visalli-1368711-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">How do you know? Have you just bought into a popular conspiracy theory on the basis of your pre-existing faith (in atheism) or preference? <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2017%2Fapr%2F14%2Fwhat-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1G-jhVsVllLqwkJ3WbUKDX2ET7eL44GJgg6bF0KsLQzYIsx78D3cl8HYQ&h=AT0KNtcrhRyEboRGwAVnbXPTXXK2PGpxfcU_nVT9aNFr4MTyQDm7Rl8EPveGrfj_wpzzfjDKl19h8wPzkK9Mas__jRCJqNFKEs8NKAiA6oGM5CLh2RjDKCGsecdJw87ujPVL" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died?fbclid=IwAR1G-jhVsVllLqwkJ3WbUKDX2ET7eL44GJgg6bF0KsLQzYIsx78D3cl8HYQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../what-is-the-historical...</a><br />Have you listened to lectures from academics who believe in the resurrection explaining their reasoning?<br />I felt like you, until I read Who Moved the Stone, I'm well aware that it sounds like fiction - but given that how we spend eternity is the most important issue we face in this lifetime, it's odd that most people simply ignore it. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%2Fthe-resurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0M8yckkngGDBqHQLlJ0FwiPqd_YcW70X0ytGt2ruj90-H_Ce7KeOYYmN8&h=AT0DFfZ0DnnNR-vaZm3AprvFuuF35XTy5VwzOPtKLwDJAtuH3Q6q89Ej9bWF7HmjVUr90ETcFgOi_Ib4gIHRFllKgmFeUCX9-1Q0MiqrKVFPopaPiY450Nz_nopsEuXUPQV8" dir="ltr" href="https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection?fbclid=IwAR0M8yckkngGDBqHQLlJ0FwiPqd_YcW70X0ytGt2ruj90-H_Ce7KeOYYmN8" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection</a></span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">not to mention all the wars and death created in the name of said religion.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Jesus specifically commanded us to be peacemakers. Those who've gone to war claiming to be fighting for Him in fact were proving by their actions that they weren't in love with and trying to follow Him at all. Human beings have often claimed some noble reasoning in attempts to justify their hunger for power, their actions don't change what genuine Christianity actually means, which is to commit to Christ.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The only thing that truly separates the Catholic church from other Christian Churches is the weight of millennia of history, and the influence that still accompanies that. </span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You've missed the fundamental differences between Catholic and other Churches. It's because you're thinking of Christianity only as an institution.<br />Indeed, institutions are full of problems, but as I originally pointed out, Christianity is not, in fact the messed up institutions we think of as Church. Christianity is, by definition, to accept Christ's offer, and in turn love Him so much that we truly want to follow His teaching and example. So the problem is with individuals who take up positions of power in Churches but in fact aren't committed to following Jesus, and who act to serve their own desires instead.<br />There are numerous differences between Catholicism and other Christianity - including the Pope, beliefs about Communion and Saints - but most importantly, Catholicism teaches that you earn your forgiveness, and ultimately entrance to heaven - following purgatory - through things that you do, such as giving to the Church. Other Churches (in theory, each minister might teach their own ideas) teach that it is ONLY Jesus' sacrifice that enables our salvation - our actions don't achieve it, only our genuine, full hearted acceptance of Christ. Because we love Christ and want to emulate Him; and because the Holy Spirit fills us; once we commit to Jesus we will do increasingly more good - but it's not those good actions that themselves determine salvation.</span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.umc.org%2Fwhat-we-believe%2Fwhat-is-the-denominations-position-on-homosexuality%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1CzTTP0QEtRONAhsXNTvW2VESD_WgxABmNv-9YFOmyEocZph55wuxJsBY&h=AT1MaxKFMmUsddVE-9jao8zdfiWV8MwJOYczI6Otl7bSMAhPt0UJ-s0l78S9xY17p0c0qWwh7l8wTloT7ZSU06wO0klwaS4LNtUnqAWJjHuRifShKtPgUCjx8P8agKhjj5iYZw" href="http://www.umc.org/what-we-believe/what-is-the-denominations-position-on-homosexuality?fbclid=IwAR1CzTTP0QEtRONAhsXNTvW2VESD_WgxABmNv-9YFOmyEocZph55wuxJsBY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">What is the denomination's position on homosexuality? – The United Methodist Church</span></a></div>
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Whilst we support God's design and prohibitions regarding sex, it's vital that we denounce actual mistreatment of LGBT people. Many, many people consider Christianity to be homophobic, and this deters them from exploring Christ. Jesus stopped a woman caught in sexual sin from being stoned, then told her to go and sin no more - it's crucial that we emulate His compassion, rather than behaving like those doing the stoning. It's great that the Methodist Church is holding up God's law on this topic - but what's truly exciting is when more people turn to Him, and we need to focus on emulating and sharing Jesus as the top priority in our lives.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecanary.co%2Ftrending%2F2019%2F03%2F01%2Fdavid-lammys-take-down-of-comic-relief-is-spot-on%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3-KKMjpTyvZ3n4sV8pd1tWigNDPVWj30c0axBYSCnpZxQFNcvnalcL5x0&h=AT2us6JDrsd6SvgxDoSuds1PJFdBOAYWI088_lsG3uQBT1f9OaFbwddKkHgM48xa22GZKtCjWLhaEdjdjoEl1-pkcPGztxLfFfRtZtUSI9HLhfmpnxhEg58zGojablQiSAZUNw" href="https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2019/03/01/david-lammys-take-down-of-comic-relief-is-spot-on/?fbclid=IwAR3-KKMjpTyvZ3n4sV8pd1tWigNDPVWj30c0axBYSCnpZxQFNcvnalcL5x0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">David Lammy's take down of Comic Relief is spot on </span></a><br />
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If David Lammy genuinely cared about the world's poorest people, he'd be highlighting the evil of colonialism on other occasions, not attacking an organisation that's making a significant difference.<br />
He was right to mention colonialism - but it's because of colonialism that we have a duty to help. We have nothing to feel proud of if we do - but even if we did, what matters is that suffering is red<span class="text_exposed_show">uced. Stacey will be helping people by reminding people of the injustice; all he's doing is adding to racial tensions.<br />David Lammy presumes that white people feel like saviours as though we aren't capable of genuinely wanting to help. The reality is that Stacey sharing her pics from there will help raise more money and save lives - how dare he ignore that and put identity politics before eradicating suffering? He earns almost 3x the average British salary, and more than most Africans will in several lifetimes. It's disgusting that he would discourage something that's helping the most disadvantaged people.</span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Colonialism isn't responsible for the problems in today's Africa, it's corrupt African leaders who choose to steal the proceeds of their countries natural wealth and fill their off shore bank accounts Instead of helping their own people. </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It's colonialism that enabled corrupt leaders to take control. Even if leaders weren't corrupt, the fact that colonialism, and present day corporations have taken so much, and prevented development that we've enjoyed here, means that it's rightfor us to give. When all children grow up with adequate nutrition and education, their generations will be able to develop better government.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">did we run the slave trade then</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Indeed, we didn't, but we live in far, far, far greater wealth than most of those in Africa because of colonialism, so it's right to give back.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How about don't tell black people how to feel about racial issues?</span></span></span></i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I didn't tell him how to feel. His feelings are none of my business, obviously, but I object to him making statements that will cause other people to feel starvation.</span></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">he is specifically talking about the promotion of an individual over the community they are ‘helping’.<br />It’s white privilege to be ignorant to the fact that most of these celebrities do it for self promotion.<br />Lammy only speaks truth in my experience. And as a white man I can see the privilege in exploiting ‘good deeds’ for self gain. Money is actually not the solution, education and independence is.</span></span></span> </i></div>
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H<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">ow do you know Stacey's (or Ed Sheeran's etc) motives? "The individual" already has a promoted position and scores of followers whilst "the community" is usually ignored as we (Britain) live off the spoils of colonialism and put out of our minds the human beings in the most severe poverty. She's using her platform to remind others of the need they ignore and their potential to give.<br />Money is not the solution, education is? Are you unaware that many, many charities working in developing countries put money into providing education?</span></span></span><br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dsn3IESFMgk/XIHFxlQ5lfI/AAAAAAAAAqs/sO_NwaowYFA840ubUz78D8pheIxMYmCwgCLcBGAs/s1600/jametlene-reskp-642910-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1067" data-original-width="1600" height="213" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dsn3IESFMgk/XIHFxlQ5lfI/AAAAAAAAAqs/sO_NwaowYFA840ubUz78D8pheIxMYmCwgCLcBGAs/s320/jametlene-reskp-642910-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">you really are ignorant to the facts... </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">there are intelligent well educated people trying to change Africa and the countries that exploit yet Dooley holds a baby who is impoverished and can't tell Dooley the problems that the 1st world's causes by exploiting their country but it makes a great typical white saviour photo lol</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Of course there are, and there's plenty more suppressed potential in Africa. But why presume that Dooley's not talked to anyone, only held a toddler?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I am completely aware Grace, but I’m afraid you’re missing my point. I do not disagree with charity or helping charity, and I don’t disagree with promoting your charitable efforts.<br />But if you look at the facts and numbers, the promotion of white westerners to help impoverished countries (which by the way we caused) is a grey area. They may not be helping to the extent they believe, so, with facts in place what is there motive to be so public about their charity? Is comic relief the best charity to support? Probably not with £100k+ salaries for execs.You are what I would call, pedantic and misinformed. You need to look at the facts and motives before your message is relevant</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i> that's a blooming adorable photo, but it doesn't demonstrate that Stacey is arrogant, that she feels like a saviour, or that a majority of African people would rather she didn't share the photo she did. <span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">also, do you not think it’s insane that children need money to be educated? Who is really benefiting from the lack of education? Say what you like about money spent, but clearly they’re not educated well enough. So is money the solution?</span></span></span></i> <br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">What "facts and numbers" are you referring to exactly? Which statistics show that, as you claim, measure the effect of white involvement? The facts indeed show that a few charity programmes are of little benefit - but many do help. And over the last few decades severe poverty in developing countries has been dramatically reduced. You say that money isn't the answer because people "aren't educated enough" but that's illogical, just because a problem isn't yet entirely resolved doesn't mean that you should stop something that's helping to reduce the problem.<br />Why do you presume that I'm uninformed? And why do you presume that I give to Comic Relief? I don't, I give my donations to charities that do all of their work with the world's poorest people, where there's no NHS, and where there aren't the food banks and welfare state that we have here (though I am well aware that those are seriously deficient and our government should be doing much, much more). When we give to organisations that both help and empower the planet's most disadvantaged people, it's amazing how much difference can be made.</span></span></span> <br />
<i>well I read the news and follow media and I've watched Dooley investigates it's hilarious ... yet you still don't understand the irony of your initial comment take away with one hand and have a showbiz event to give to another lol</i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">That you find the programmes hilarious seems concerning given the severity of the subject matter. Are you simply laughing at Stacey for being white, working class and ginger? I hope you aren't like that. But that you consider that giving with one hand and taking with another is going on demonstrates simply lumping the entire nation together as one amalgamous lump. Are you unable to appreciate that Stacey, and most others who support overseas charity, aren't actually personally responsible for poverty in Africa? The decisions that led to Africa's poverty have been made by colonial invaders, slave traders and dodgy corporate bosses. We have unjustly benefited, by being born into a country made rich by exploitation, therefore we have a responsibility to help, but you stating that anyone's taking with one hand and giving with another makes no sense.</span></span></span><i> </i><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Stacey Dooley Investigates is hilarious it takes serious issues and turns them into two pints of lager and a packet of crisps there's a reason it's on BB3. But you still don't get the issues with the white woman saving the day and how we're also responsible for Africa's predicament along with the rest of the 1st world</span></span></span> </i><br />
H<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">ow on Earth are the documentaries like two pints of lager and a packet of crisps (no, her documentaries aren't on BBC3 because they're meant to be comedy, BBC3 has plenty of factual programmes)? Seriously, you seem just to be mocking her working class accent.<br />And why shouldn't white people help? No one said that she's saving the day, she's there sharing photos to remind people who follow her, and who are otherwise unconcerned about the suffering that colonialism caused, that they are immensely wealthy by comparison therefore ought to give.<br />Do you actually care about people in poverty being helped?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Feels like if I choose to help charities I should apologise and be adhamed for being white. This has put a nasty taste in my mouth and I probably won't give to these charities any more, favouring locsl homeless charities now!</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Please, please don't give less to people in the world's most severe poverty on account of people who deem identity politics more important than helping. The child who Stacey is holding, and others like him, shouldn't miss out on vital help because of <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=19129786540&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/DavidLammyTottenham/?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">David Lammy</a>.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Stacey Dooley's motives are neither here nor there. What matters is the impact of her actions, rather than her intentions. Nobody is saying that white people "feel like saviours." Nobody is saying Stacey Dooley shouldn't help, but the way in which it is done can be improved and she needs to own up to that. She had no idea and that's fair enough, but now she can adjust her approach which can help stop reinforcing problematic stereotypes and assumptions. This has nothing to do with taking aid away from countries that need it. The child in the Instagram post would not have missed out on any of Comic Relief's aid had Stacey Dooley not taken a selfie with him and put it on social media.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">But it is taking aid away, because interference like <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=19129786540&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/DavidLammyTottenham/?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">David Lammy</a>'s deters some people from donating what they would have doe otherwise. And if Stacey didn't share photos, fewer people would remember, amidst our comparatively wealthy society and our hectic lives, that we should be helping those elsewhere. What exactly should she be doing?</span></span></span> <br />
Ultimately, we're on the same side, in that we both care about disadvantaged people beyond our own borders, unlike a terrifyingly substantial proportion of the British population. We should all be keen to better understand the human beings in need and to move towards the most effective means for addressing the injustice, we shouldn't be arguing.</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"things haven't changed"? According to who? <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fafricaindata.org%2F%3FlinkId%3D32475084%26fbclid%3DIwAR32MtmflNASPkwiOy7ksxAuHlbYgOlowNl7A0yPx3am-6e2r9LJkVn8_wE%23%2F3&h=AT0kbNSJ4V5zom_QxGfgike2VSzyom6zwEtaBR3QSnDUafi16M1-W9v78XilTzqGPU16t7Sn6td6L6dzQUxQQF2KzjurY-94PBpLQKdKevWKQOurckdvryAvcgjq7_ffpHsj" dir="ltr" href="https://africaindata.org/?linkId=32475084&fbclid=IwAR32MtmflNASPkwiOy7ksxAuHlbYgOlowNl7A0yPx3am-6e2r9LJkVn8_wE#/3" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://africaindata.org/?linkId=32475084#/3</a><br />There are so, so many articles reporting on the progress made in cutting severe poverty, I'm amazed that you think nothing's changed. If we give to well monitored charities, (as opposed to the few that haven't got money to where they were supposed to) that provide tools, training and healthcare, people become able to help themselves - and do so incredibly well.<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development%2Fdatablog%2F2015%2Fjul%2F06%2Fwhat-millennium-development-goals-achieved-mdgs%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1HMfLLajWvCnsgA_VWHjzA7t7Ov6S3ltpWHpWzuX4OB2o5HUhEe3m-cwE&h=AT3u9bD73JzKEBt82eWUkf-MHa0twX7ioFrc-DXvjdAUP105SiWbvx3dl-nJwWP1nv7Zy-H5T8QLD6aSHapy-6-YcZb8V86R-ZC34HDtqzmYRoT340V7EGM0isaob_iw2CBW" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/.../what-millennium...</a></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">We need to stop giving. It clearly doesn’t work or get to the people in need. Sometimes you have to make your own lives, as when you do things for yourself you achieve much more.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Indeed people should be able to help themselves ignores the extent to which some countries have been ravaged by colonialism and war - how can people "help themselves" if they grow up malnourished, with limited access to school, forced to put all their energy into gathering food and water and without the state services or opportunities that we have? </span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I sponsor a child there, and highly recommend it - £25 per month is small amount for most of us, but it enables a child to receive education, food and medical checks, as well as mentoring, so that parents aren't so desperate for money that they allow their children to exploited like this^ (though obviously, it's only sometimes in their hands) - and so that if they were to be abused, they'd get help. There just aren't words for how grotesque this^ exploitation is.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">how do you even know your money is actually going to where your thinking it is going </span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i></i><br /></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The government charities commission, and independent organisations such as Charity Navigator monitor it; and I get regular letters from my sponsor children.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Cancel foreign aid and get the govt/taxpayer to fund good causes. Let africa beg</span></span></span></span></i><br />
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NB - Christianity means believing that God's plans are better than our desires, NOT that mistreatment should be endorsed. Please don't lump together decisions like this^ with the bullying carried out by some people who aren't following Jesus at all (even if they claim to be).<br />
The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - that's distinct from simply having gay orientation, and either way, th<span class="text_exposed_show">e Bible makes it clear that no one should be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">OFFS. Your Bible also says that touching the skin of a dead pig (Leviticus 11:7), wearing clothing of different fibers, and growing two crops in the same field should result in stoning. Are you going to do the stoning for these “sins?”</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Leviticus has rules on different themes for differing reasons; for example, "tattoo" isn't the original word, the prohibition is against marking skin for the dead, since that was a component of pagan worship of ancestors amongst neighbouring tribes. Mixing clothes fibres was also a pagan worship custom at that point, with tribes neighbouring the Hebrews beleiving that doing so had spiritual power. Eating shellfish or pork would have caused food poisoning in that setting, and regulations about food served, in their very different culture, to illustrate the importance of being careful and selective about what material we consume. Peter's vision from God voided restrictions on food. Acts 15:28-9 "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality." - distinction is made between different themes in Old Testament law; most OT law no longer applies, but we should still avoid pagan customs and prohibitted sex. Of course, Paul also warns against homosexual sex; and when Jesus is asked about divorce, He urges adherence to God's original design for relationships, evidencing the importance of God's plan illustrated in Adam and Eve (whether you think them to have been historical or only illustrative). Jesus addressed food regulations, over turning Levitical laws on food at the same time as warning against sexual immorality, which would, to His audience, clearly included homosexual sex. Try this, for example, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvcresources.net%2Fresource-library%2Farticles%2Fjesus-and-homosexuality%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR18bckMAhgIiX2D2W7h8cjMFGyPFeXAMpdmbWWqLUrnvbwoHFVViTpd034&h=AT3k4_x8yCE84T7Gix75TKkpmAC1_HkocYo9z3fvmIXy9Qnb4rWLMmcmX1eE0bcsbAiM0VEJ6N3Uue80fpS71Znzk08JKwBqtrvEq3X0OLIgjk9EdXProkVPOtGR5ftjnD43" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.tvcresources.net/.../jesus-and-homosexuality</a><br />Obviously, I could link to endless articles and lectures about this, but would you look at them? <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livingout.org%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1wBLAYfPDkGZyEbqBUkiKWekv6Rhi5OoT8_Wz_Dk0mgpCmZOlnltmtfiU&h=AT1aMJuwiST9eRUJ1sKutus2BLmoifRGLgTcdJwnfOCfy04LwLM2SsxECk38bYrtAlOUwfpbJW-wwES4gJV7vrJnkkthFuaFxsT2JLDpTec4oPzozjw4XeCQ15tKpBo5uBtu" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.livingout.org/</a> is particularly interesting - a site by gay/same sex attracted Christians who can explain their reasons for and experience of being celibate. Here's just one lecture from one of them - <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVnVskwil3Z4%26fbclid%3DIwAR068zCeDN6Wso480_lJ_GZRxjJxnnDVjjRbAZaybV0fVjaG-ONY62uV36w&h=AT3fIoDXcFiFzz0b5JrI4lIUhAs6An4JSG4JGCYnlXMLB2DujWbGqSrQDa59NlZQeYMfIGWGJHIMyI1s4okmkOtRy9le4Oeq6WZU7AAaay3SrmrSpdH4fh0p809YHvMd96tS" dir="ltr" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVskwil3Z4&fbclid=IwAR068zCeDN6Wso480_lJ_GZRxjJxnnDVjjRbAZaybV0fVjaG-ONY62uV36w" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVskwil3Z4</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Oh, does it Ms. Bully? Give me a scripture where the word “gay sex” or “homosexual” is used. You won’t be able to find one.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> Why do you think that? Try this <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.crossway.org%2Farticles%2Fwhat-does-arsenokoitai-mean%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3Lc_hO8SwRetipl08qhm4wM31zdOCDiUeE_TXe37KoKA8_QQmbFqf4J8s&h=AT1fzBjBqC3x9-SLg2bzjFf3pxgM2yLvHl9wS6RoJ_PfKAYsK6Z5OwYw3XFOFNfViFSISQnGqF0xYfFOzTS3xB3BpDV-A2sux99GzhVcQ1aYi1VfRddPs_QxfRhd9wbjb1Jo" dir="ltr" href="https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-arsenokoitai-mean/?fbclid=IwAR3Lc_hO8SwRetipl08qhm4wM31zdOCDiUeE_TXe37KoKA8_QQmbFqf4J8s" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.crossway.org/.../what-does-arsenokoitai-mean/...</a><br />I'm certainly not trying to bully ayone, would you please explain what I said that was bullying?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The quote from Leviticus is taken out of context and mistranslated. Read in the larger context with a historically correct translation, there is nothing about homosexuality. But that doesn't fit the narrative of conservative churches so the twist what proclaim to be the word of God.</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How exactly do the context/translation overturn the interpretation? I have studied this in more detail than you seem to presume, what have you read that's led you to your conclusion?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i>I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, Homosexuals do not believe what they are doing is a sin. Are you saying if they should be accepted into the church so they can be helped to change their ways in regards to homosexuality?</i></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
E<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">veryone needs God's help in overcoming sin, and everyone should be welcome in Church. That doesn't mean that the Church should endorse sin itself.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Ultimately, our past empire is probably a significant underlying reason for this</span></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Of course it's our fault. Because we were the only ones with an Empire. I still can't get over being colonised by the Romans....</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I see your point, but it's not merely colonisation itself (it's also relevant that the Romans were here several times as long ago) what the empire actually did is the issue. Specifically, in this case, partition. But also, for example, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Findepth%2Fopinion%2Fbritain-stole-45-trillion-india-181206124830851.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2gA9uW36yFlrFVqOgQTTIlgb6XESQcyHDxetP5B1FvyNYpQOl0B04Nk04&h=AT3Dz-pptjQa6oXBAeo94L1tWOMPRZc36pDtEQaCm8vV6X_TFqn0jG5z-GJpKbqiM7WYwOUwloSTBgbCsVYP0Ve87T3PtkPjSxX86TbYaWTSSIJigf7oDdQZ4kSZPIOzCA_e" dir="ltr" href="https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-stole-45-trillion-india-181206124830851.html?fbclid=IwAR2gA9uW36yFlrFVqOgQTTIlgb6XESQcyHDxetP5B1FvyNYpQOl0B04Nk04" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.aljazeera.com/.../britain-stole-45-trillion...</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i>Dont feel bad. It would had been another Empire to take the place.</i></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Feel bad? I didn't say we should feel guilty - we ourselves weren't even born. But we SHOULD consider that most of us are now living in far, far better conditions - and in greater safety - than people living in ex-colony nations, and think about how we can address the suffering.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'll defend the British Empire to some extent because as well as the exploitation it also brought a civilising influence, effective bureaucracy, education and infrastructure that's evolved from empire into a commonwealth of nations</span></span></span></i> </div>
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Why do you presume that India wouldn't have developed if it hadn't been colonised? Did you read the article that I added above?</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Freason.com%2Farchives%2F2019%2F02%2F27%2Fcan-a-giant-cross-be-secular%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0TDVdqSWrrGQCSV68WD4repkAkv3chkBP9uCjTwKgsCeHNwelR9Hk1-Pg&h=AT0vUoQhAHC8PB8lPexGBjLMXa11B6oH7AZRFPC07wN2_V9e1AuPH5fpMup-3mkrdMOHSkp_7Mr2w4iUw_XJ0mCloDt6fCx-4Qm1k7Nk0MujmeXhxZJhk4w2_ZhUHPJIWrw4cg" href="https://reason.com/archives/2019/02/27/can-a-giant-cross-be-secular?fbclid=IwAR0TDVdqSWrrGQCSV68WD4repkAkv3chkBP9uCjTwKgsCeHNwelR9Hk1-Pg" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Can a Giant Christian Cross Be Secular?</span></a><br />
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Why does it need to be? How is it harming anyone? What happened to freedom of expression?<br />
The cross is used because it's where Christ willingly offered His own life to atone for our evil and failings. Are those who want rid of it ultimately ashamed and defensive about their own sin?</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fiplayer%2Fepisode%2Fm0002twh%2Fthe-big-questions-series-12-episode-8%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3mMeeHxRBJWqLitxhET-K08CfdUMYBd8qSRwHcATMTaYxsMfR_ZckUYkY&h=AT2FgHyRUo21lVNrk3VUFNRw_cv1V56GrxBYp8-1Fqbp48LTpkI6rrgiwp9ylomMPmv1aLV3V_0cgWe2-qWpp7_3F2Limd4Fwsn2-BnMAB4pfXXUM4fXdoMCsFGvVkDlnh_B0w" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0002twh/the-big-questions-series-12-episode-8?fbclid=IwAR3mMeeHxRBJWqLitxhET-K08CfdUMYBd8qSRwHcATMTaYxsMfR_ZckUYkY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Big Questions - Series 12: Episode 8</span></a></div>
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Campbell was positive about re-incarnation, yet as ever, only mocks Christianity. I don't understand how such a blatantly biased presenter can end up roles on national TV and radio.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Christians appearing on this show in future have got to be more streetwise. *don't* try and give direct answers to his 'trick questions'. Do what Jesus did in the Gospels and point out the flaws and contradictions in either the question or the premise on which the questions are based!</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">So true - we need to avoid simply arguing and actually emulate Jesus, who was able to make questioners think about why they were asking and what their own presumptions were.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2F2019%2Ffeb%2F26%2Fbrutal-and-dogmatic-george-pell-waged-war-on-sex-even-as-he-abused-children%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26fbclid%3DIwAR0zRiK8s1QlAIcUMiH1vMdhmyl6VdQcK9cFAIAfKt6010wTHu8FUa7fGUc&h=AT16zBCBWEx_GrrIJ8UAALKwkSplaH0EXine0BRGQaqMBfPRus81z0jsi7P0N6HmQbnIo1Bp20gp8Rnrw9rBgalwA1ku-M77Ywi5IiDuLkh_JKxhMVY8jyDdcy5VkZ6hFcK_3A" href="https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/brutal-and-dogmatic-george-pell-waged-war-on-sex-even-as-he-abused-children?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR0zRiK8s1QlAIcUMiH1vMdhmyl6VdQcK9cFAIAfKt6010wTHu8FUa7fGUc" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Brutal and dogmatic, George Pell waged war on sex – even as he abused children </span></a></div>
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I hate how so many people now associate Christianity with the very opposite of what Christ did and taught, because of predators like this...^ .</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">child abuse has been at the heart of the Christianity from the beginning. If you do some research you will see for yourself that the clergy have been using their powers for abuse from the start.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Have you some sources of evidence you think I should see? Even if that's the case, you seem to have missed the point - this is the opposite of what Christ demonstrated and taught, yet evil individuals (who demonstrate through their actions that they don't love God) wear the mask of priesthood as a way to get more respect and power.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The Church invented the character as Jesus as way to distance themselves from the angry God of the new testament. A more welcoming and divine leader. And yet, despite the preachings of live and understanding the Church has consistently been an oppressor, abuser and silencer of the innocent. Their entire history is soaked with the blood of innocents. If you're a member of the Catholic Church you're supporting the largest institutionalised paedophile ring in human history. If you want to find God go look inside yourself. Don't ask others to be the middle man. They're all demons.</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> I'm not a member of the Catholic Church (nor Anglican). Even if I were, it wouldn't make me liable for what idiots within the organisation have done - especially since there are sex abusers in every sector. In fact, how do you know that the Catholic Church is the largest ring? I'm certainly not defending the Catholic Church, but unfortunately there are many more incidents of sex abuse that come to our attention, so how can you know that the Catholic Church hasn't had more exposure whilst other institutions have the same numbers? I'mfascinated that you mention demons. I'm sure you're right, but what exacty do you mean by "demons"? If you do believe in supernatural beings, how have how come to believe in them, and also to believe that Jesus is "invented"? I see people claim that Jesus is "invented" constantly - but why do you actuallybelieve that? What is the evidence for your hypothesis (about why Jesus was "invented"). To what extent have you explored to work of academics who do affirm the resurrection? Just for starters - <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2017%2Fapr%2F14%2Fwhat-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0OXKsv18ipbzzHCg30w64YboLuDNaYNjkj2wkKGUq-8hreSvLqzw7RMU4&h=AT0AMEgG1UNsL76D-Zh5uBZgspjJz0cyJeTdThCx8lerwE2qHMfuVAi70O975B44G9ib32RjneswJzMRRfJ23cPoF-PGLlMgrX6ykWawCaL64QYsgd2iXlWVy7bRRkBCBggw" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died?fbclid=IwAR0OXKsv18ipbzzHCg30w64YboLuDNaYNjkj2wkKGUq-8hreSvLqzw7RMU4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../what-is-the-historical...</a></span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Ffact-check%2Fjay-z-said-satan-is-our-true-lord-and-only-idiots-believe-in-jesus%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0QIaoF3HjtT3bJgn6Toe-H1M9e9iQF5BnCGEIZ846iVKkpICPGi7rxQiE&h=AT394S7gpfDmIVlf93d2JeOL-eLaigqaN6BY5iH8ZClS0FmEieYHADxSG9a2X6M8-vAv8gJ_3hSy-twMkGF_T3kVMRYrBt1EBmjREBvM-wbzNSQV4p-ILhV_PrlAQVjBh7LVvA" href="https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jay-z-said-satan-is-our-true-lord-and-only-idiots-believe-in-jesus/?fbclid=IwAR0QIaoF3HjtT3bJgn6Toe-H1M9e9iQF5BnCGEIZ846iVKkpICPGi7rxQiE" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Did Jay Z Say 'Satan Is Our True Lord' and 'Only Idiots Believe in Jesus?'</span></a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">God is not a vending machine, you can't ask for anything at all and get it. He knows incomparably better than we can what we actually need, which isn't to have so much wealth and fame that we become proud and ignore Him, since that would mean missing out on heaven, which will be better and infinitely longer lasting than anything JayZ has.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"Ask and thou shalt receive" I mean he says it apparently hes a vending machine, but I'm sure that's taken out of context.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Indeed, there are many contextual points relevant here - crucially, He's addressing people who genuinely desire to follow God, thus won't feel that they want to use Him for material gain.</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Apparently, god must think that some people need to be raped, dispossessed, suffer from mental illness, etc. Because he is a loving god, amiright?</span></span></i></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">God hates rape and other acts of cruelty. But you seem to be ignoring the point that heaven is eternal. For example, consider Paul, who was grossly persecuted, and wrote in 2 Corinthians 4:17 "For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all."<br />Since you mention mental health, I've had problems with it for most of my life (diagnosed, obvs) including being sectioned previously (detained by doctors against mt will under the Mental Health Act - law)- it's worth it because it's led me to God, who provides deeper joy than anything.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Better analogy: god is like superman, all the most awesome powers in the world and yet still does not exist in reality.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dnb4A1kX-9U/XIHGRpA-4LI/AAAAAAAAArA/RVZUChbc5zk24RHq1bazq0vmkVRSVWImgCLcBGAs/s1600/antonino-visalli-458280-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1600" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dnb4A1kX-9U/XIHGRpA-4LI/AAAAAAAAArA/RVZUChbc5zk24RHq1bazq0vmkVRSVWImgCLcBGAs/s320/antonino-visalli-458280-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Superman was invented for comic books; God created the universe.</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Im sorry you're this delusional Grace, hope it dosent translate into other parts of your life.</span></span></i></span><i> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What exactly am I deluded about? I suspect that you presume that anyone who believes in God is plain daft, because you only believe in what you can see - have you looked at the scientific and philosophical arguments for God?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">You are daft and have an imaginary friend!!!! PROVE YOURS is real and we will all bugger off!!!! Not with words!!! Actual proof!!!!</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Not with words? How else do we communicate?<br />I could write a book on why I believe, I won't waste more time on this thread trying to go through it all - but there are many scholarly articles and lectures online, as I asked already, have you looked at the scientific and philosophical arguments for God?</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">If god were not a vending machine, why are all the television evangelists taking payment for people getting in to heaven?</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Televangelists do need some money to produce their programmes (ie pay TV crews) - but many are corrupted by greed and are barely following God - some never were, and were only ever con artists.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I believed in god until I was 17 years old. Then I dug & dug for info. I took a philosophy of religion class my first semester in college. It was in that class that I realized that all religions are just made up. Abrahamic religions have roots in ancient religions from thousands of years prior to their existence. It’s cyclical. People needed there to be a god to create order. We don’t need that anymore though, our society has advanced past it.</span></span></span></i> <span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><br />Indeed, colleges tend to oppose any interpretations that support theism. I'm very familiar with the idea that religions pick up mythology from older faiths - though many of the claims made by those who hold to such theories are erroneous. For example, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjwwartick.com%2F2012%2F06%2F04%2Fparallelomania%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1vaBhQVAi48m_QA0f5lz4iNEY3Hzjd7icn3Fn9BAInCAC04L5ifqaqBgk&h=AT1oYNf9ntTowr1RngzGd3OhhTbd3Pd6rpa9sTDgPEBPxHJUHJAtKRVz-Hl6f9lWaPCjylQco0xTxL4Byx5b3fle50lWiiwGJsODMZP5yquYF5zg9YOoN5_WPrRPJ8nhW6jv" dir="ltr" href="https://jwwartick.com/2012/06/04/parallelomania/?fbclid=IwAR1vaBhQVAi48m_QA0f5lz4iNEY3Hzjd7icn3Fn9BAInCAC04L5ifqaqBgk" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://jwwartick.com/2012/06/04/parallelomania/</a> - supposed similarities in accounts cannot prove that they've copied one another, especially when about broad themes such as a creator, but furthermore, many things that some writers have said about ancient beliefs are in fact entirely unevidenced. <br />And have you considered the notion that many civilisations came to believe in a god because of an inbuilt instinct from a creator? Obviously though, many civilisations theorised what gods might be like based on what they saw in humanity; gods with bodies, who fight and reproduce with each other etc.They're very distinct from monotheism, which doesn't create an imagined character.<br />Fundamentally, as I studied microbiology, I became convinced that there must be a creator, and exploration of physics gave me certainty. After reading Who Moved the Stone and other work by PhDs on the case for the resurrection, I concluded that though I can't wrap my limited human brain around it, Jesus must have risen.<br />As I asked earlier, have you looked at the arguments for God to weigh them up for yourself? One site I've found interesting is <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Fwritings%2Fscholarly-writings%2Fthe-existence-of-god%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3a1phLxZi8UcN9jhZ2mDZpZJe2cYNV2GhIAxHhrLYns_AhrgH9umoXBnE&h=AT35xl7WLTcHkP7EPubAadrd6zVMQJlewZGEAjA96cjORHjJQwCOmpNLcHT5m6h9NzemcqWwirL-ieMb6GcUm-2VAGl-dxcjfT9SI3kXXaxEiq5QUI0xx01PEoPxB2NgRlE9" dir="ltr" href="https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writings/the-existence-of-god/?fbclid=IwAR3a1phLxZi8UcN9jhZ2mDZpZJe2cYNV2GhIAxHhrLYns_AhrgH9umoXBnE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.reasonablefaith.org/.../the-existence-of-god/</a> or <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Freasons.org%2Fexplore%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0Genz-0dO1BsCGx-gWDoxqKN5pbP0eTBvBQojjdXlZ3ITyaL3IySAdn80&h=AT3w12VqxyzKR2ngWRSr7Y8ia_Pd_gS3lLv1KIm7eCMFasDJLzfaA48atGgxywYogLNUi7VI72f2ubcVzXRG06kW43xhZK7zm-_-RCrXWIzr-FyX7VVbgs4Pw8IyJNOc9_oL" dir="ltr" href="http://reasons.org/explore?fbclid=IwAR0Genz-0dO1BsCGx-gWDoxqKN5pbP0eTBvBQojjdXlZ3ITyaL3IySAdn80" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://reasons.org/explore</a></span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">i find it i quiet ironic that you're so concerned about proof when its about something that Challengs your faith, but you're so certain god is real without any hard evidence whatsoever. Im sorry you have mental health problems, and that might explain your need to have such a beliefe. But you're fooling yourself in the long run.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What, exactly, do you mean by "without any hard evidence whatsoever"? You've already demonstrated that you're unaware of the information which has led me to conclude that God exists. What "hard evidence" do you personally have for your beliefs?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I dont have any beliefs Grace. Tho it would be awesome to wake up in Valhalla when i die<span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4f/1/16/1f601.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">😁</span></span> but personal experience tells me thats not gonna be the case. There is absolutly no evidence for a supreme being, there is evidence for evolution. In the bacterial world you can even see it in real time<span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;"></span></span></span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">O</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">f course you have beliefs. You believe, for example, that the universe and entire biological world, came into being on its own from nothing, with no energy or mind to initiate nor direct it. You believe that your own mind, and the sources that you've encountered, convey truth, though they contradict others. How do you know that "There is absolutely no evidence for a supreme being"? What, exactly, do you know about evolution? In mentioning bacteria, you're referring to micro evolution, what is your thought process regarding macro evolution? Consider, for example, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC3187878%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2r3Hl1llBOyXlq_bHG8fhE5yRML-J_vS_VwzYJDlDNpykaLEeP4s7CRZU&h=AT1AgbTKu19a_W3l0Ka8Gp92Ua78zq3W7zKlWjfvCTkJw_dr42biCKBpeayRZkybAozhJkwn3U9RbUpyB8XHWupS4PiRsZ3o6jUsQCaWzKvCRQBcc4ZLdsP98VxnJsYkgZoF" dir="ltr" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3187878/?fbclid=IwAR2r3Hl1llBOyXlq_bHG8fhE5yRML-J_vS_VwzYJDlDNpykaLEeP4s7CRZU" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3187878/ </a>Regardless, why would evolution of any sort disprove God?</span></span></span></div>
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Kristian Nygaard Kristensen have you read my earlier comments about why I believe? How do you define evidence? If you have no clue about how the universe began, how do you know that it wasn't created by God, who created through the process now referred to as the big bang?<br />
As I've said, discussing the evidence would take far more than a Facebook thread - but start here <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Ffinetuning%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR316SmiogrA7gUJnhAWme1sf0yAEhptulTl4TT0Nd7GHjSaExmdJiophug&h=AT0bmKsCVkEcH4kiwnJu1i5d8vcRY1PxN2FSLNUOefhKHj5qv3_KCmQkZzzcbqPKZVB1baTNtjOpKdxHFkXGiYS7RaC60EUI0qOi_zJ4DVm2g_mVDyBXHgsGONtcK9p_grfA49-6" href="https://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning?fbclid=IwAR316SmiogrA7gUJnhAWme1sf0yAEhptulTl4TT0Nd7GHjSaExmdJiophug" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.reasonablefaith.org/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>finetuning</a></div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I actually like talking with you Grace. Tho you'll prob never convince me of gods exsistence. Sorry if i came off harsh, it wasnt meant that way. I know nothing of you and your hardships. Ill read what you linked just out of respect for you:)</span></span></span></i><br />
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Why do you insist on defining him by his sex life? Countless people have enjoyed his music, not having sex with him, so why should the film feed your hunger to see sex themed content? And who said that it should be all about him rather than the band as a whole? You're saying that Freddie Mercury's sex life is more important than the rest of his life, his work, and his the lives and work of his bandmates.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2Fpanq5k%2F2018-was-the-deadliest-year-on-record-for-civilians-in-afghanistan%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1RJR13xkRLwZStNlZGFzfNupXpOGFaUEaybMNTi4tASte7gnLfHFn8Rj4&h=AT29n8Zwbj_hzdrNn9IuYNOMNtLReV2a50qRzqTQMEPGf9AIasF5gDEBEfeQUu9f06-2IuVvYVIpwUQdJ9aCqomd25IRQ5TJvrNFrksTx160_JaVkC1_vgW-VTrW9GtYW-M4jw" href="https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/panq5k/2018-was-the-deadliest-year-on-record-for-civilians-in-afghanistan?fbclid=IwAR1RJR13xkRLwZStNlZGFzfNupXpOGFaUEaybMNTi4tASte7gnLfHFn8Rj4" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">2018 was the deadliest year on record for civilians in Afghanistan</span></a></div>
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We all need to remind ourselves of things like this daily when we're feeling frustrated about our first world problems. We're so, so privileged, simply to live in relative peace. Perhaps we can feel more joy in the every day basics we forget to be happy about, and in turn spend a little less on things we don't need so that we can give to charities helping these^ people? Can Vice advise on which charities are most able to reach them^?</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/153157938942768/" target="_blank">“You instilled those beliefs on those people and then you left them with nothing.” South African singer-songwriter on colonial legacy in Africa </a></div>
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What beliefs is he referring to? Chistianity having largely erased tribal beliefs isn't a cause of under development - and it gives hope to many people amidst suffering. Africa isn't "backwards", it simply hasn't had quite so many schools and universities because our colonialism crippled it. Indeed, as he said, our ancestors took everything, and it amazes me that I regularly see people argue that,<span class="text_exposed_show"> because colonialism is over, we owe nothing to Africa now. It's thrilling how quickly development happens when people are given basic resources - people in Africa are intelligent and enterprising, and we should be working with local groups there to help eradicate remaining lack of food, clean water, education and healthcare. And we need to stampout existing exploitation, we're still grossly taking advantage of Africa.</span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/10ways/photos/a.208709642499935/2098107900226757/?type=3" target="_blank">This deal won't be for everyone but iPhone XR £623.98 (saving £125)</a> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yes, it is. And with Tesco Pay as You Go (which also gives Clubcard points and a 10% on regular top ups), I can donate every £ that I spend on credit to charity (which I find so, so exciting <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:)</span></span> ) and use the free credit for my phone needs.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">If everyone stops buying new and buys refurbished phones, they’ll be no new phones purchased to be refurbished for anyone to buy..</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
T<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">heoretically, but that's not going to happen, especially whilst so many people get new phones with new contracts. Right now, it's become normal to upgrade far more often than necessary- which is particularly tragic given that people in the world's poorest countries have slaved away to mine the materials used to make phones' internal components.</span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fstonewall-drives-away-backers-with-trans-agenda-q6vgtvd58%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0v9scwG5zcwiJhOEamkJyo8_YYAzAWa5dymkONmB2YUdGXG8JnKqFpSKw%23Echobox%3D1551023185&h=AT3hvJAls_lFFKphTgN9aSr2gJoN3ZU_5AVdDEwlrZDGzABYyrtHAqETpim98vtOZXzGnjr-MJ-IKSpzgm-ZlJ2CcSpvMQCI1saWpH-2bhNWqPcXY50QAairYcvtFt0_-z97SA" href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-drives-away-backers-with-trans-agenda-q6vgtvd58?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0v9scwG5zcwiJhOEamkJyo8_YYAzAWa5dymkONmB2YUdGXG8JnKqFpSKw#Echobox=1551023185" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Stonewall drives away backers with ‘trans’ agenda</span> - A television grandee says she stopped funding the gay pressure group after it put trans causes ahead of women’s rights.</a></div>
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I'm so, so frustrated by the discussion about whether Shamima Begum should be allowed back into the UK, with most people (so far as I've seen) hysterically moaning that she shouldn't. It goes without saying, she doesn't deserve to return (since she's not sorry)- but how dare we treat other countries as rubbish bins in which to dump our problems?<br />
Syrian people are suffering horrendously, through no<span class="text_exposed_show"> fault of their own. Many Bangladeshis are in extreme poverty because of Britain's colonialism. We have comparatively cushy lives; why should we expect them to have to put up with our terrorists?<br />Here, she can be locked up, and potentially later tracked, to prevent her doing harm; instead, we're leaving her to be a threat to Syrian people, as though we think they don't matter. She should be here being investigated by anti-terrorism forces, so that they can better understand - and thus tackle - radicalisation.</span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">aren't we being treated like a rubbish bin? Even Holland want nothing to do with her. You might argue Syria allowed terrorists into their country so really is up to them to sort her out.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">why should WE she hates this country, if she comes back I hope to god it’s in a box </span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i></i><br /></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">You've ignored my question, why should Syria have to have her? She's from here. And here, should could be incarcerated and tracked - you think it's right that she's left to endanger Syrians?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">you think it’s right to endanger everyone in the country she hates??????<span class="_5mfr"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t82/1/16/1f92c.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">🤬</span></span> fingers crossed she’s gruesomely killed ASAP!</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I don't think it's right for her to endanger lives anywhere, she's from here therefore she should be here, in prison. I can't understand how you keep ignoring that Syrian people don't deserve a British terrorist among them - do you think that Syrian people are somehow less human than us?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">why don’t you just say Syrian Christians should be given sanctuary here, instead of pretending, as usual, that your concern is for every Syrian? You’re a Christian fundamentalist, stop trying to cover your beliefs with politics!!</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What the frack? The faith of the Syrians I referred to hadn't even crossed my mind. You're putting words in my mouth, presumably because you hate Christianity and clearly obsess about that hatred, I never mentioned it at all here.<br />Since you mention it, what do you mean by "Christian fundamentalist"? And what have I done to demonstrate that I am one?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">previous posts on this very site. You didn’t mention the faith of the Syrians you refer to. That’s my point..you never do. It’s always ‘gee wouldn’t it be great if we could all get along...’ ‘wouldn’t it be great if there was no poverty in the world...’ ‘it would be so awesome if there was...you know..some kind of all powerful force watching over us, who...just off the top of my head, sent his son down to earth to save us all...OH HANG ON!!’ Perrr-lezz Grace, just be honest, and open with your views. This is kinda what this site is all about. I don’t hate Christianity, I just hate sneaky entryists...</span></span></span></i><br />
H<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">ow do my previous posts prove your point? You're just assuming that the only reason I would have for caring about people is that they might be Christian? Why? Do you specifically only care about people in need if you know that they share your beliefs? Say perrrlezz all you want, you're just imagining what's going on in mind purely on the basis of speculation. The fact is that I have an emotional attachment to other human beings, and seeing suffering and injustice can make me upset and angry, and induce an instinctive urge to want the injustice to be addressed. I hate myself for not being able to do more. If you only care about yourself or people like yourself, that's up to you, it doesn't mean that I'm the same.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> Additionally, if I only cared about Christians, why would I have commented that Shamima should return to Britain, rather than stay in Syria where the Christian population is smaller?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">because you say one thing, and mean another. The undercurrent of all your posts is your Christian faith, and how the world would be a better place if many more folk shared your faith too. Me assuming is bad? Like you assuming that I only care about me and those that are like me? I think I said I dislike how you try to smuggle your religious views in to your posts, pretending they are a political view. Not wanting the UK to allow an unrepentant Islamist, with deep connections to a group of barbarians, is actually looking after my fellow man. Something I thought you’d support...</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">How? How do my posts have an "undercurrent of Christian faith" that demonstrates that I only care about Christian people? You're still making assumptions without any reasoning.<br />I only suggested that you only care about those like you because that's the assumption you've made of me, and I couldn't see why you'd presume that someone you don't know feels that way, unless it's because that's a feeling that comes naturally to you yourself.<br />Indeed, I wish that other people accepted Christ - because I believe that He offers them eternal life (heaven) and also greater inner peace and fulfillment in this lifetime. That doesn't change the fact that I feel an intense desire to see suffering reduced for any human beings.<br />And what, you've still not said, is a "Christian fundamentalist"? I am, fundamentally, committed to God more than anything else in life - that doesn't mean that I feel that other people should be controlled by theocracy in the way that Islamic fundamentalists do. Even more than one otherwise might, because I desperately want to follow Christ, I hate the violence and bullying carried out by some people in the name of religious fundamentalism.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">so two wrongs make a right? You have a go at me for making assumptions about you, so in retaliation you make them up about me? Very mature.<br />‘And what, you’ve still not said, is a “Christian fundamentalist”? I am fundamentally , committed to God more than anything else in life...’ There you go, you answered your own question. I take it you believe in the bible?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><span class="fwb"> </span></div>
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<i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">believe in the teachings of the bible literally. What was written, was what happened</span></span></i></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Which books?</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">well tell me the books you take literally, and the ones you think fiction...</span></span></span></i><br />
<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uBhOMtmChT4/XIHNfgEq62I/AAAAAAAAArY/NKCrFen7TSY3JntvsYdF5AhlYcmid0l_gCLcBGAs/s1600/christine-mendoza-527608-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1600" height="320" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uBhOMtmChT4/XIHNfgEq62I/AAAAAAAAArY/NKCrFen7TSY3JntvsYdF5AhlYcmid0l_gCLcBGAs/s320/christine-mendoza-527608-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">There are endless articles, lectures and books about interpretation of the Bible. Some parts are historical records; some parts are poetry; some parts are allegories or parables; some parts are letters. None was originally written in English, obviously, and translation between languages isn't precise. <br />For example, the original Hebrew in which Old Testament genealogies were written uses the same word for son and descendant. Thus, when family trees were written -that some people calculated to indicate that humanity has only existed for a few thousand years- they will in fact have ben referring to far larger stretches of time, because they referred to great great great etc grandsons, not sons, but they didn't have distinct words for these as we do now. <br />The word translated as "day" in Genesis doesn't necessarily mean 24 hour period - just as we might say "back in my day" "the good old days" etc, the creation in Genesis is referring to eras.<br />Jesus repeatedly uses metaphors and allegories, such as calling Himself The Light of the world - He's not literally a light, but thr book of the Bible in which His words are recorded is a historical account, not "fiction". How much have you studied the Bible yourself?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">not since I was a child, but you’ve clearly studied politics, because if there was ever a politicians answer....the above was it!! Ok, do you believe we’re all descended from Adam and Eve? That Jesus turned water into wine? That he rose from the dead? Is God responsible for every living organism on earth? Does he punish sinners, and reward the righteous?</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I really want to discuss all this with you, but I genuinely need to stop spending time on this conversation. Would you look at sites where academics discuss some of these questions, or are you not actually interested?<br />In a nutshell however, I'll at least say that I do indeed believe that Jesus rose, defeating death - but only because after reading books on the details of the accounts, I can't see any other option that isn't too flawed. I don't expect you to think any other than that I'm mad for believing in the resurrection, and I can't at all get my head around it, but it's a topic that needs far more exploration than a Facebook thread. If you're ever genuinely interested, I recommend Whooved the Stone in particular, though I suspect that you're only here to.mock me(?) rather than find out other peoples' rationale(?).</span></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I began to believe in God whilst learning about the biochemistry of photosynthesis. Cellular processes are not only immensely complex, but their interdependence shows that they couldn't have developed by chance natural selection alone, without a designer. Ie, if one chance mutation occurs, and happens to translate into a change in a protein molecule, it can only provide an advantage to the organism that could contribute to evolution if a multitude of other, separate proteins are in the precisely correct shape to bind with it.<br />We can't test forGod directly because He's not composed of the matter/energy that scientific instruments measure, but what we can measure demonstrates that the universe and biological world have a designer. <br />"If the rate of expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, it would have recollapsed before it reached its present size. On the other hand, if it had been greater by a part in a million, the universe would have expanded too rapidly for stars and planets to form." (Stephen Hawking) And there are many other things about the universe, such as the ratio of the masses of protons/neutrons that are similarly remarkably correct against the odds. One of Hawking's closest colleagues, Sir Roger Penrose, calculated that the odds of our universe - given the values of numerous parameters (such as the cosmological constant, the proton/neutron mass ratio etc) occurring by chance are around 1 in 10^123 (10 with 123 more zeros).<br />Of course, there are plenty of lectures and writings by maths/science PHDs that explain this far more thoroughly, just one example being <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.johnlennox.org%2Fguide-to-resources%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3FjhxDSAqEx-uSJ816S5lWyERKdIHkMJsFYpuncn4R8cxYZFRkNFwiRM0&h=AT0dDuM1e4r_9FAAjerWmdbBFg09FI7t3LYg0cFRZaAxv4RLCnrqKUFaOWtKrKj-nRNIsEnfuUU9mAELh97TG_lLNC0Y16r6NsdtAdMrA1I1l4QDbZbn9IrIhWVxcz3lsUvm" dir="ltr" href="http://www.johnlennox.org/guide-to-resources/?fbclid=IwAR3FjhxDSAqEx-uSJ816S5lWyERKdIHkMJsFYpuncn4R8cxYZFRkNFwiRM0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.johnlennox.org/guide-to-resources/</a> but I could add more if you're interested.</span></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/2062123043863579/"><span class="fwb">How Far-Right Extremism Is Dividing America</span></a></div>
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That cross has no place there. I am so, so, so furious with the far right using the cross - the cross is a symbol used in our culture because Jesus committed the ultimate act of selflessness on it, it's entirely the opposite of selfish nationalism.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">using the cross is a form of worshipping an idol sis</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">we (actual Christians, I can't speak for the far right who misuse the cross, or claim to be Christian, for the sake of pride) don't worship the cross, we worship Jesus. The cross is a symbol that indicates to others that Jesus is the focus of our lives; and it helps us never to lose focus on what Christ has done.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<span class="fwb"><i>He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied. — Gospel of Luke 22:36-38, NIV </i></span></div>
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<span class="fwb">Don't hikers/explorers carry swiss army knives? At the time in which Jesus was speaking to His disciples, carrying a small sword was simply the norm for practical purposes, and potentially for self defence. Jesus' other teachings make it abundantly clear that He doesn't want His followers to strike anyone. Matthew 26:52-53: “Put your sword back in its place… for all who take the sword will die by the sword. Try this - https://charismactivism.com/2013/01/18/why-did-jesus-tell-the-disciples-to-buy-two-swords/ </span><br />
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Surely parents need to deter children from porn and encourage discussion if they're tempted, rather than trying to cut them off from technology? Technology is increasingly useful - sometimes vital - for learning, and if kids aren't prepared then some day, they'll find that they're isolated from many peers and desperate to rebel.<br />
Parents should warn their children from an early age that there are <span class="text_exposed_show">things on the internet that are very, very bad, and can hurt their minds, so they should stay on safe websites and talk with their parents about anything that they see which is strange. Parental locks/various child-proofing firewalls can be set up. Then children could have the benefits of the internet and grow up with an instinctive hatred of porn without wanting to look at it when they eventually get the chance.</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F1091358%2Flabour-anti-semitism-jeremy-corbyn-independence-group-tony-blair-lord-charlie-falconer%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3kOsPMtJKwyTlIYkfP-bvqhp87OQlUhgXcnQojY0Am0GpUqSnZ6k_9b9E&h=AT2y1Xqn6leLaT6kl_qseAtXmmYy7GUHPPfcLwJhawLOplcTPlVyW0nAsLNR_psufWnfnOzO1g_KzDvCN-aukGnE9ye1aSfLx0AMb_lGO5BRNfDJCAknrtDLa3PrllxC34PBUg" href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1091358/labour-anti-semitism-jeremy-corbyn-independence-group-tony-blair-lord-charlie-falconer?fbclid=IwAR3kOsPMtJKwyTlIYkfP-bvqhp87OQlUhgXcnQojY0Am0GpUqSnZ6k_9b9E" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Corbyn hires Tony Blair's former roommate in DESPERATE bid to solve anti-Semitism crisis</span></a><br />
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Anti-Semitism is, obviously, evil beyond words. But the lack of evidence leads me to suspect that the furore about it is mainly an effort to obstruct Corbyn.</div>
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As a Brit, I'm constantly infuriated and ashamed by how many of my compatriots deny the extreme oppression and theft by Britain of India. We owe you so, so much.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2F3am%2Fcelebrity-news%2Fthe-beckhams-total-sham-claims-14040373%3Futm_source%3Dfacebook.com%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dmirror_main%26fbclid%3DIwAR222q1UwsU9Lh4BbxdAWdZC3hkahOAecXKaPHXPlDtvHx8DMbqlCZq-ojY&h=AT2FLbOoxiw6EDPVi3ytBzjq6XCcQNfnsIxbdg3e0LITbu2eEqruwTICgfgLTJss_ADrjedy2J192a84BXHqvVYGMWasOuZWAbhWdLihvVFqDuXszgMfOumdaTFyusJTbgkODg" href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/the-beckhams-total-sham-claims-14040373?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main&fbclid=IwAR222q1UwsU9Lh4BbxdAWdZC3hkahOAecXKaPHXPlDtvHx8DMbqlCZq-ojY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">'The Beckhams are a total sham' claims Piers Morgan</span></a></div>
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Giving time to support <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=68793499001&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARDxadwS7rgXCNI6ZW4E8tErpGFA0a8Z_0mi3ZjLI3IeiB8Uac5OwSZtBYtpPTPIGx_gVxz-7-sDruAV%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/unicef/?eid=ARDxadwS7rgXCNI6ZW4E8tErpGFA0a8Z_0mi3ZjLI3IeiB8Uac5OwSZtBYtpPTPIGx_gVxz-7-sDruAV&fref=tag">UNICEF</a> makes them better than the vast majority of the super rich so far as I'm concerned.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftonic.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2F8qjv7v%2Fwhat-happens-to-your-brain-when-you-stop-believing-in-god%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbuk%26fbclid%3DIwAR3JOym9yfaIqKmZqmWhmZPR_nLrpUJt9EvEP6G1YFop5Cux99QbT_fmh9c&h=AT0ZXPk88xUkLeFjHn_XSezaoOksHaOIUYRksHOqPeZy1qXhVFfIs0q1lPgRQdmZOBMLjharP-_nI8Ai6bJ-fEwuPEIHVK2Ijb7CkhzMRg3TOaEKoZk49da7-_QgjUtZPVwmeA" href="https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/8qjv7v/what-happens-to-your-brain-when-you-stop-believing-in-god?utm_source=vicefbuk&fbclid=IwAR3JOym9yfaIqKmZqmWhmZPR_nLrpUJt9EvEP6G1YFop5Cux99QbT_fmh9c" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God</span></a></div>
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You shouldn't believe in something merely on the basis of culture - but there are legitimate arguments from science and philosophy to conclude that God exists. It's irritating observing Vice and much of our culture simply presume that everyone who believes in God is brainwashed without even being informed of the academic debate around God's existence.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fsojo.net%2Farticles%2Fover-my-spirit-faithful-dissent-full-lgbtq-inclusion%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR07uQYaNFqcZYwwLAvn2sYH1c5UGzCapZilFKKjsjdP2tq5NXsXABqeC4U&h=AT3soxNL47JRjURKW806d963v5NdlX4xw4p8cyHHRSoC1Vp7VS9FgCabQJVENn9Evss2V4wXh_RUx2hAfB8na7nf6YREWXWEAoMCMoO1audtKCCXNmeIYBRn68_ByZUBt9Ggsg" href="https://sojo.net/articles/over-my-spirit-faithful-dissent-full-lgbtq-inclusion?fbclid=IwAR07uQYaNFqcZYwwLAvn2sYH1c5UGzCapZilFKKjsjdP2tq5NXsXABqeC4U" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">In Over My Spirit: Faithful Dissent on Full LGBTQ Inclusion</span></a></div>
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Jesus prevented a woman caught in sexual son from being attacked, then told her to go and sin no more. Those who bully others demonstrate that they aren't in love with, and thus seeking to emulate, Christ. We know that God knows better than we ever could what's best for human beings - so we shouldn't ignore His prohibition of gay sex, but orientation does not compel action, and action does not justify cruelty.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">yet you ignore his prohibitions regarding the eating of pork & shellfish - prohibitions against tattoos & divorce - rules for proper behavior of menstruating women - prohibitions against the participation of women in the function of the church - you are just another self-righteous, sanctimonious, hypocrite - your religion is not allowed to impose its beliefs upon other citizens who do not share those beliefs - you have no right to interfere with the way people live their lives...</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Leviticus has rules on different themes for differing reasons; for example, "tattoo" isn't the original word, the prohibition is against marking skin for the dead, since that was a component of pagan worship of ancestors amongst neighbouring tribes. Eating shellfish or pork would have caused food poisoning in that setting, and regulations about food served, in their very different culture, to illustrate the importance of being careful and selective about what material we consume. Jesus later addressed food regulations, over turning Leitical laws on food. <br />Peter's vision from God also voided restrictions on food. <br />Acts 15:28-9 "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality." - distinction is made between different themes in Old Testament law; most OT law no longerapplies, but we should still avoid pagan customs and prohibitted sex. <br />Obviously, Paul also warns against homosexual sex; and when Jesus is asked about divorce, He urges adherence to God's original design for relationships, evidencing the importance of God's plan illustratedin Adam and Eve (whether you think them to have been historical or only illustrative).</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-atTjVtBy0IQ/XIHNf-qGixI/AAAAAAAAArg/zHpIENG7g1smy_ECYOUgPuvNcOd--ERHgCLcBGAs/s1600/geran-de-klerk-355392-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1067" data-original-width="1600" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-atTjVtBy0IQ/XIHNf-qGixI/AAAAAAAAArg/zHpIENG7g1smy_ECYOUgPuvNcOd--ERHgCLcBGAs/s320/geran-de-klerk-355392-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Paul actually urges us to never marry at all. And Adam and Eve never formed a bond of marriage. Then think further that their children engaged in what we would think of as incest. After that you move on to multiple wives, sleeping with your in-laws, and even more types of marriage that work and end. It is extremely dangerous to ignore the fact that those were cultural norms and not biblical design. Do not let your own preferences determine the standard for someone else.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">My preferences? Indeed, my preferences never determine what anyone else does, but this is all just discussion, and how have I demonstrated being the rationale for my points? Hetero marraige isn't my "preference", I think that all sex is vile and will die a virgin, I'm just trying to understand what God thinks. Multiple wives etc were not God's command, so they don't help us to understand what He does and doesn't think is OK.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ultimately, what the bible really says or means is irrelevant, since it's all a bunch of fairy tales and superstitions - in the USA the followers of any religions, by law can not impose their religious beliefs on other citizens - you are free to worship your deities and practice the rules & rituals of your faiths to your heart's content - but you are not permitted to impel everyone else to do the same...</span></span></span></i><br />
W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hen did I say that I intend to try to "impel" anyone to do anything? I only commented, we're all entitled to an opinion. Specifically, I commented on God's guidance, and if you don't believe in Him, why care at all what I think about His commands?<br />Far more importantly, why do you think that He's a fairytale?</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> <i>Please show me where Jesus said ANYTHING about homosexuality.</i></span></span></span><br />
O<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">nly a tiny proportion of all the things that Jesus will have said in His years of teaching are recorded; even if everything that He'd said was recorded, there'd be no reason to expect Him to discuss homosexuality, since amongst the Jewish people to whom He preached it was known to be against God's law, people likely wouldn't have been debating it. Though, as I mentioned, He does say "“Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman? It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’ " (Matt 19) demonstrating His support of the original design for marriage.<br />Your question seems to imply that, because we don't have a record of Jesus condoning homosexual sex, it's OK with God - but this is a fallacy, Jesus' not having discussed it in the NT simply means that we need to try to understand God's view from other scripture. It also means that the issue shouldn't be a cause of division - the Gospel is incomparably more important.<br />Crucially though, sex isn't necessary to enjoy life (as I can testify) and there are Christians, such as a family member of mine, who live celibate because of their orientation - they're not depressed/oppressed. I urge you to check out <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=163727123972591&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/davidacbennett/?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">David Bennett</a>, Sam Alberry and LivingOut.</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">He made them man and woman. There was no marriage at the time so Adam and Eve never married. They had children. Think on this - who do you think their children had sex with in order to have more children... Does that mean that because God didn't create more than just one man and one woman that in today's society incest is acceptable to God? Be careful how far down that rabbit hole you fall. Society's moral code prior to Jesus' birth was not one man and one woman. In many cases it was one man and several women. Women were also bartered like property. This didn't change due to Biblical edict or teaching. It changed due to society. For you sex isn't necessary to enjoy life. For others it is. Neither is wrong. I am saddened to hear your family member feels the need to remain celibate because of their orientation. I don't believe God made a mistake in their orientation, I believe those around them made a mistake in supporting the idea they're not made in His image just the way they are. What a waste.</span></span></i></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">When did I say that we should aim for "Society's moral code prior to Jesus' birth"?<br />What does the incest between Adam and Eve's children have to do with this?<br />Who are you to say that my relative is wrong in their decision to be celibate? He wasn't dictated to by people around him, he believes that it's the best way to live for God, as do other gay Christians as mentioned (obviously I could list more). He's 70 and one of the happiest people I know, in a strong relationship with God - who are you to say "what a waste"? And given that some of the most important people in Christian history, not least Paul and Jesus Himself, why do you think that sex is genuinely essential for anyone? In addition to family relationships and friendships, do you not believe that God can provide enough joy and satisfaction?</span></span></span><br />
<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It also says women should be quiet in church..that's what happens when you take verses out of context. Jesus never addressed that issue. St. Paul was the NY one who said that--he also said that we should obey our leaders...so Germans should have obeyed Hitler? That's an example of taking things out of context. Paul wanted Christians to be blameless in the eyes of the Roman Empire. They were being persecuted and some were killed for not bowing to the Emperor. Paul wanted christians to be model citizens.</span></span></i></span><br />
<span data-offset-key="cm6ct-1-0"><span data-text="true">Paul's words about women were written to a specific Church - His words on gay sex are about the future implications, so aren't restricted to a community with particular issues in the same way as the verse about women (other verses in the NT show that, in other Churches, women were in ministry without Paul disputing it).</span></span><br />
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<span data-offset-key="dl5hf-0-0"><span data-text="true">The NT only contains a tiny chunk of all the things that Jesus said in His years of ministry, so the fact that it doesn't record Him discussing homosexual practice doesn't mean that He never did. Even if He never did, it wouldn't mean that He endorsed it. In the society He was in, it was a given that homosexual sex was prohibited, so it's unsurprising that He didn't mention it.it wasn't recorded. Rather, if He did endorse it, at a time when His audience believed it wrong, why would the NT writers not have recorded it? He did specifically urge people to adhere to God's plan of marriage being between one man and one woman, and condemned Porneia - which translates into sexual immorality, thus would, to His audience, have included homosexual sex. https://www.tvcresources.net/resource-library/articles/jesus-and-homosexuality</span></span></div>
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<span data-offset-key="bia14-0-0"><span data-text="true">Ultimately, God loves EVERYONE, and offers infinitely more joy than sex. There are gay/same sex attracted Christians who choose to be celibate and can explain far better than I can their reasoning and their joy in life. The real issue is that our culture is sex obsessed and unaware of what God can give. https://illuminaet.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/a-bridge-between-statements-a-bridge-between-worlds-why-i-call-myself-a-gay-or-ssa-celibate-christian/</span></span></div>
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<i><span data-offset-key="bia14-0-0"><span data-text="true">I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? I’m also a business owner and I have an employee who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? I’m hoping you have answers because when I say things like the thing you said, and the things I just said, people normally look at me like I’m an idiot, but I feel that you get me.</span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why presume that all of the laws in Exodus are equivocal? Any institution of manual may have some rules that are situation specific and some that are permanent. Customs such as arranged marriage and work change over time, so God may well give particular guidelines in situations where people are already following particular traditions; sex is the same thing irrespective of wider society, so God's guidelines on it can be ongoing. Crucially, various verses in the New Testament demonstrate that many Old Testament laws no longer apply, but that those relating to sex do. Eg, "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality." Acts 15:28-29<br />"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. These are what defile a man, but eating with unwashed hands does not defile him.” Matthew 15:19-20</span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2F1090401%2Fgay-christians-christianity-conversion-therapy-survey-poll%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR20Fv04LZ4JlA7zVlvBOvNoqEbb4aVyZKzqrU5w-l0PQKeh2umQ-6FRAk0&h=AT0af-m1Q-FdW1Cu1qEBLT2b-JkameVGnHqgRj9tLshDC-1So5hlsyeyW9F-iqlVP97pZ2IZV5rT5qVgLGV3EYEA6i0rGEZB0FVkS0S2fq5O5u08xt841_BvTBn43rOJc7ixdA" href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1090401/gay-christians-christianity-conversion-therapy-survey-poll?fbclid=IwAR20Fv04LZ4JlA7zVlvBOvNoqEbb4aVyZKzqrU5w-l0PQKeh2umQ-6FRAk0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Gay Christians in UK forced to have straight sex in ‘gay cure therapies’</span></a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">There's nothing Christian about this (forcing people that is, I'm not blaming the "Gay Christian" victims, obviously). I'm so sick of daft, evil things being done by people falsely calling themselves Christians, who demonstrate by their actions that they aren't following Christ at all.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> NB, some Christian groups offer counselling to LGBT people, which is nothing like this^ - but the media lumps it all together as "conversion" or "gay cure" therapy.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Eliminate religion. All of it. All it does is give more reason for people to persecute one another.</span></span></i></span></div>
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When religious leaders asked Jesus if they could stone a woman caught having sex that broke their Old Testament law, he saved her – then said to her to go and sin no more. To say that all religion should be eliminated is to fatally oversimplify. The reality is that most positive and compassionate values and institutions stem from Jesus teachings' impact on society.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fwe-need-to-take-the-arrogance-out-ofatheism-zpr98rj98%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2s4Ti4NJPlcFk6CWxzpWpH_0fMnS26FnaXU8ED35tBOTnhu2hL4MNVv_k%23Echobox%3D1550764077&h=AT3OaKsQhHpvtG0Aeuo6bUy4JydfNvZyq1QeIou7-byUMIPQ0MTypxBdfHpBQ5YmmXIbaybjy61j7sOeAqFC-oNyCeorvzK4d1ExN8yFMsyYkz_HWHhX_qAHf9jfy0fP8WRN-Q" href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-need-to-take-the-arrogance-out-ofatheism-zpr98rj98?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2s4Ti4NJPlcFk6CWxzpWpH_0fMnS26FnaXU8ED35tBOTnhu2hL4MNVv_k#Echobox=1550764077" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">We need to take the arrogance out of atheism</span></a></div>
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I continually encounter people who simply laugh at the notion of God without even looking at the scientific and philosophical arguments for concluding that He exists. There's a presumption that the concept of God is ridiculous, to the extent that many people seem to think themselves intellectually superior for not becoming informed about the academic debate.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2019%2Ffeb%2F21%2Fgay-conversion-therapy-bigotry-lgbt-community%3FCMP%3Dfb_cif%26fbclid%3DIwAR0H2dQlQTIoQCV3Fh3bCu02J6r-ikrg4oIu2NjraSqSaEfLFsj1ikkh-a0&h=AT3u8Yw9moaF9a4abBwKuzmrvfWpq91prMfCvoTbh3-Qr98V2gISDwJRgXtbBS08_ELadBS_f0fzY2OQTKXAbj22iWxeXxQJ5TstCiumNIhEFqepMvc-NnWXb8zR9DHienAnJg" href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/21/gay-conversion-therapy-bigotry-lgbt-community?CMP=fb_cif&fbclid=IwAR0H2dQlQTIoQCV3Fh3bCu02J6r-ikrg4oIu2NjraSqSaEfLFsj1ikkh-a0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Gay conversion therapy proves there’s still bigotry towards LGBT people</span></a></div>
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But the term itself is too vague. Evil things done to some people in the past are not the same as other people today choosing to have counselling. And beliefs about certain practices (gay sex) do not equate to hatred of human beings.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2F2019%2F02%2Fthe-independent-group-cant-survive-just-on-anti-corbyn-hatred%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR33OVFxyh003PmPmk1OmHTtap8ZzOdJODQD3WQ7dtg7pamyQcZKAYf_1B8&h=AT20tG-TNHKewMZJiAcLXuG3SeAx3EOQ8Pep3-Q7Biekt02P42yPRcus2fqdK3NfuTWNgsQjP6Kb6cdhQTfxp7Y_cbxF0-PTu4MzBsBtpgheSnE_12FNbIlDBwvvDNRQiWN8jw" href="https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/the-independent-group-cant-survive-just-on-anti-corbyn-hatred/?fbclid=IwAR33OVFxyh003PmPmk1OmHTtap8ZzOdJODQD3WQ7dtg7pamyQcZKAYf_1B8" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Independent Group can’t survive just on anti-Corbyn hatred </span></a></div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fusa%2F451987-dc-comics-superhero-jesus%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2-1Y4Ks6WmoU6pzDvpgz8ns5anq9gCibMaLJu8ccg8VFarFp2zzbUOCYk&h=AT1MKTAksUwVJo5t0tEVGkXOFKSMLlejnRbAigKQa_RWoU7OAv4uz4cP6A13pYxfNliP1xQs4rO_uw7RuwbOVS4-JPV-8DjshC7x-4RnaQtRQT_4fipUs0Ipzcqp9r3jnpJyDg" href="https://www.rt.com/usa/451987-dc-comics-superhero-jesus/?fbclid=IwAR2-1Y4Ks6WmoU6pzDvpgz8ns5anq9gCibMaLJu8ccg8VFarFp2zzbUOCYk" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">DC Comics drops ‘superhero Jesus’ series after campaign calls it ‘blasphemous’</span></a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Worse than a potential comic, is that our culture has normalised simply presuming Jesus to be fictional and never actually looking at the historical case for Him.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i>the historical case being how all historians who aren't uber religious say there is no proof of him right?</i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Who told you that? That's a popular conspiracy theory, ignoring serious history because it's easier and more fun for people to mock than to investigate Jesus. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2017%2Fapr%2F14%2Fwhat-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0B2T_uqJRaB_IEu6ttnsLZnTUasQAYWWvZyk6AZCklhEg4L0Co0Gl4rIA&h=AT3wf0Tw6iVQ9PDUF1GQbEbMZqDkxb92eoz0OSo8zR-S2H4hlEbo1ZPZcCThUDZ4vv_U5T4rxBvvoD0WTxJyTVu9x0G_oqekZYt_uHxZSAzzd3lAn1x5pRepR_-GNYPaF3Rk" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died?fbclid=IwAR0B2T_uqJRaB_IEu6ttnsLZnTUasQAYWWvZyk6AZCklhEg4L0Co0Gl4rIA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../what-is-the-historical...</a></span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mS-4MqbJ8Kw/XIHNgOlpvDI/AAAAAAAAArc/2NuCTzfAcnM_yUKYBJ_ioolxDCYoZ1M3gCLcBGAs/s1600/kate-stone-matheson-1141289-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1080" data-original-width="1600" height="216" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mS-4MqbJ8Kw/XIHNgOlpvDI/AAAAAAAAArc/2NuCTzfAcnM_yUKYBJ_ioolxDCYoZ1M3gCLcBGAs/s320/kate-stone-matheson-1141289-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I find that 100+ year after the fact hearsay doesn't really count as evidence though. In the court of law today we don't even accept hearsay from hours after an event. So why should 100+ year old written hearsay about Jesus be taken at factual value? Especially when there was many active writers recording other major events in the same area around the same time as Jesus lived/died?</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why do you think that Jesus' life is "100+ hearsay"? The first Christians, living at a time in which people passed on information by thorough oratory technique, weren't prioritising writing - yet the New Testament's earliest books were written within a few decades of the events. The New Testament is in fact far more reliable than other historical texts <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bible.ca%2Fef%2Ftopical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2nj-DuOy4hjgB0q0DVHCh7sNfiNB-quQPG8cTLQ8hbGOGGnrjd2XxcLiI&h=AT1CjFsu-jDq_KoOsm9OAN87BxVt2P38v55_vaG_G0jM4R6RYcnU7FMO984Xeim2WZisAPW7bLcin2-Vd7rSHJT6lrL12BB9R745oxMLdaeIcH-PE4qun06NCe-Wc2RDX2AE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why do I think it's hearsay? Because it is. In the New Testament he is mentioned ~40 years after his death. Outside of the New Testament he isn't written about by anyone of his time period until over 100 years after his death. Even the earliest Christians didn't start mentioning him until decades after his life. That's the very definition of hearsay. There was many proficient writers and documents from the same area and time Jesus was said to have existed, yes people used oral tradition but there was many writings as well. It's just a red flag to me that there isn't any about what apperently was the the most significant event in human history at the time. "The New Testament is in fact far more reliable than other historical texts" Does it say that in the New Testament?</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why do you think that the NT is "40 years after His death"? The Pauline epistles are dated to 20 years after His death - entirely different to the "100+" that you originally claimed. Who told you that "Even the earliest Christians didn't start mentioning him until decades after his life."? Why do you expect that there would have been texts that were written even earlier; also survived 2000 years; and also have been found, given that, as I highlighted already, other historical works have a far larger time gap, and that persecution of the early Church brought the destruction of many artifacts? "Does it say that in the New Testament?" no, I'm obviously referring to data regarding the span of historical texts, as summarised in the article to which I linked.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">people have been looking for Jesus for 2000 years more or less... still nothing has been found.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Indeed - He was raised up, there's no body to find.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I'd get ready to collect your Nobel Prize if you have somehow been able to do what no other historian thus far has been able to do. <span class="_ezo _6rsx" style="color: #f1765e; font-weight: 600;">Congratulations</span>!</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Have you ignored the articles I've already linked? They specifically address the common fallacies that you've espoused. Should I link to work by further scholars, or are you opposed to reading anything you want not to be true? Why exactly do you think that " There is no 'historical' case for" Jesus? <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjwwartick.com%2F2012%2F06%2F04%2Fparallelomania%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1D03C_TckXF-yJnQLkmlnxCjkFIdkKyKERKU9_uFxqwLKr5PXNJMAI-mI&h=AT19jUB3XBpXGOyqkczjS55jqTPeZBN0Q51-cdCaYicWitDQ9fpQR7UGOFzC7ezH5uu5X7mM7SBQxumEhencvh3CC-zRaV3RhCOpYSkxRdc4-5OeMxQmhxt88utLYu2351Py" dir="ltr" href="https://jwwartick.com/2012/06/04/parallelomania/?fbclid=IwAR1D03C_TckXF-yJnQLkmlnxCjkFIdkKyKERKU9_uFxqwLKr5PXNJMAI-mI" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://jwwartick.com/2012/06/04/parallelomania/</a></span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">All his mericles can be explianed with non magic means</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">That's circular reasoning. You're saying that supernatural things don't happen just because supernatural things don't happen, you aren't explaining a rational argument. By definition, the laws of nature virtually always apply - that's what makes something a miracle. But the creator of nature itself can break those natural laws on occasion. Indeed, there are many, many events which some people refer to as miracles that in fact aren't at all - but that doesn't mean that miracles are impossible when God's involved. Have you read the accounts of Christ's resurrection?<br />Have you investigated the work of academics who explain why science and philosophy point to the conclusion that God exists? For example, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fare-miracles-possible%2Fthe-question-of-miracles-the-contemporary-influence-of-hume%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1cf4x5nChgBdalLvBKbZcA7cHJd65o95aLwr_SSbFUq67wvhy4lTol6rA&h=AT1064eyrLWPZYHzkZNquHxpg7eRRv4lZ8R-bjSXk5jAxlXIgfJ6lywXpeXgt44fU9tvMhGBwkMqc-fEibXTH2Wmww2YMK3LH4MAB8CgcPQzND9G8L2cvHOsDuxaTyB0Lb3W" dir="ltr" href="https://www.bethinking.org/are-miracles-possible/the-question-of-miracles-the-contemporary-influence-of-hume?fbclid=IwAR1cf4x5nChgBdalLvBKbZcA7cHJd65o95aLwr_SSbFUq67wvhy4lTol6rA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/.../the-question-of-miracles...</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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$5k could provide education for at least half a dozen other children (who themselves are too impoverished to have access to hot chocolate).<br />
We can't be certain that he's racist, so calling him "little Hitler" is non-sensical - plenty of people genuinely think that the wall is a solution to the opioid crisis. But his parents should instead be encouraging him to think about those who aren't privileged enough to be born into the relatively comfortable life that he is (and we are). Their "values", in putting their own isolationism before the exciting potential to help others (with money raised for charity) are disturbing.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmunchies.vice.com%2Fen_uk%2Farticle%2Fkzndwm%2Fwatch-a-man-drop-a-pound30000-bottle-of-champagne-in-a-nightclub%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbus%26fbclid%3DIwAR1a97cJHhvVVXc4IdrAY1OxFO7873M9J5bjlkGz-0bMXRkBJsae8VU8SXU&h=AT1MrbkQcqdGTamIQmYkt8WiwqBQ0XEj5FTWzmk5QMxH0gIEtRE_7j5BBnLNU80l82BNAQp38nUh7SPnL1Va2mLJ80G_6QOyUP4cfqTOQjqKmMz7dFms6TU4dx8M-IIH3izxpw" href="https://munchies.vice.com/en_uk/article/kzndwm/watch-a-man-drop-a-pound30000-bottle-of-champagne-in-a-nightclub?utm_source=vicefbus&fbclid=IwAR1a97cJHhvVVXc4IdrAY1OxFO7873M9J5bjlkGz-0bMXRkBJsae8VU8SXU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Watch a Man Drop a £30,000 Bottle of Champagne in a Nightclub - This might be the most painful thing you see all day.</span></a></div>
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Why painful? If someone's wasted £30,000 in an attempt to show off or get drunk, why should we feel particularly concerned about where the liquid ends up?<br />
Sorry that probably makes me very heartless, I'm just struggling to empathise with someone who'd spend £30.000 on a drink for themselves/mates, when there are still people in the world who don't even have clean water to drink - it's them who I feel pain for.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harpersbazaar.com%2Fculture%2Fpolitics%2Fa22717725%2Fwhat-is-toxic-white-feminism%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0FFsYp6L1jLCQw9uceRi_3LTJohR6x55Y9T4Fan8LsQsA0104XNylmgLo&h=AT2Ro3gR2UkomdELl0pbhcgEgM5CC3pY-yzx4ov4NWBgzcsPW-8pLYhKKBBKAeDpfHUGGrABvUSwP0qggWZR9J4L9Cwus9Ai1b2h8Oi_SiM8Ms8tQrWvXilZoEXUpx6_legAbw" href="https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a22717725/what-is-toxic-white-feminism/?fbclid=IwAR0FFsYp6L1jLCQw9uceRi_3LTJohR6x55Y9T4Fan8LsQsA0104XNylmgLo" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">When Feminism Is White Supremacy in Heels</span></a></div>
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I don't understand why the media here is massively concerned about the gender pay gap - especially between male and female millionaire actors and TV presenters - and not concerned at all about the pay gap between most of us in the West and those in developing countries.</div>
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The cross is about us being offered liberation from sin; not about men subjugating women.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">it's a fictional story.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">How do you know? Have you just bought into a popular conspiracy theory on the basis of your pre-existing faith (in atheism) or preference? <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2017%2Fapr%2F14%2Fwhat-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3N8NDEpNJCjw4V8gAZguD2nNwV2SgthOekAbkQOnUA8Pw_H9SYKrApSog&h=AT1nQsSVtgSxdugxfnBqbynd_0iZSO5gB7cEt98mZVY2XmdLWFq42X2YmxH1X47of4eg4lF-jNXkLTChmzMkZqRa7RFWII4fPlLqOlYC1s_hRjW_tpiYSz3Q6nAvZggUAx32" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died?fbclid=IwAR3N8NDEpNJCjw4V8gAZguD2nNwV2SgthOekAbkQOnUA8Pw_H9SYKrApSog" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../what-is-the-historical...</a><br />Have you listened to lectures from academics who believe in the resurrection explaining their reasoning? <br />I felt like you, until I read Who Moved the Stone, I'm well aware that it sounds like fiction - but given that how we spend eternity is the most important issue we face in this lifetime, it's odd that most people simply ignore it. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%2Fthe-resurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Bg2OKKWnDNk0H8DpWlnGwdrWvpinpJW_VulqgohxzLg8Xdr-i7qpfH1g&h=AT0CqbmMQt_oewO2bZK9O9vP4zjWMpsJNPohF7DxtPyeo6WJeR8xai1DjIHUgxO--5GB08IV_NWXfTMRE5lmU5667K2qXcMRx96-0FiWCxR-cU3YvpgHE7iHRQOMJF2fLxxl" dir="ltr" href="https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection?fbclid=IwAR1Bg2OKKWnDNk0H8DpWlnGwdrWvpinpJW_VulqgohxzLg8Xdr-i7qpfH1g" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">bahahaha I suppose you believe in the tooth fairy too</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why? I've not ever believed in the tooth fairy, it was obvious when I was first told about it as a small child that it's fictional - that's entirely different from God. You lumping the 2 together shows that you've not looked at any of the academic discussion regarding God. You might find that you still disagree, but there's lots for you to consider.</span></span></span><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It boasts about overspending on unnecessary luxuries, whilst we live in a world where there are people living in slums/sleeping on streets; without food; without clean water; without healthcare; without electricity - and without any way to escape their poverty- because of the corruption that's made our Western nations so wealthy that popstar are able to accumulate far, far, far more money than they could ever need.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How will underpsending on luxuries solve those problems?.</span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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You can't "underspend on luxuries", any luxury by definition is unnecessary, so there's no required amount to undercut.<br />
If public figures stopped boasting about their wealth, more of their fans would be able to see how lucky we are to have comfortable homes; good food; public services etc, and enjoy those things more - and more people might ultimately donate to help the world's poorest people because they wouldn;t be wasting their money on things that Grande and Co mislead fans into thinking are necessary.</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>You have a good point concerning the topic of underspending on luxuries.But I find everyhting else that you have mentioned to be very questionable. Most</i><i> schools in the UK are open air borstals that close at three thirty in the afternoon.Various subjects are often taught in a disjointed,non-linear, fashion.Causing pupils to lose interest or at best have a poor understanding of the subject concerned. Ask yourself the following question.When was the last time you ate a decent meat joint.For me it has been many years!.The quality of food in the UK is very bad. As for the issue of charity solving the economic problems of various countries.What makes you think it will work or has not been tried?.The UK government alone in 2016 spent 13.4 billion on overseas aid.Quality of life can only be raised through the behaviour of the population concerned.Money alone will never be the answer.Because money is a means and not a end.</i></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">What do schools or meat have to do with this?<br />The aid that we give is 0.7% of our GDP - why do you think that that would be enough to resolve poverty in developing countries? You're presuming that, because £13.4 seems like a large amount, the fact that poverty hasn't been ended - but in terms of national budgets, it's tiny (as I said,0.7% of what we have). And our corporations are, in fact, taking more from developing countries than is given in government aid <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1EakW1ANIXd2Ejom5rQNdZcDctDTQ7WuXgvAI2R7vsmDSaRevy4aXXcWQ&h=AT2buBNoCqNXMcTdjaazHZBMXyLr7lUE4jJv9aEfuASGs4P00Yb9Bo8g8j-b5_VjJYrja7zi4mdAZoMYHtmKDiNbTrqPeJOZxCulMfI0BgFR-W6fKXQqtQIVi0jsSEBjdRCA" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR1EakW1ANIXd2Ejom5rQNdZcDctDTQ7WuXgvAI2R7vsmDSaRevy4aXXcWQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a><br />Crucially, if we give to organisations that enable people to become self sufficient, it's utterly amazing how much of a difference can be made. For example, sponsoring a child with the money saved by skipping a restaurant meal each month (£25) gives them lessons, mentoring, health checks, and more - enabling them to grown up to support their family. Giving a family a goat can give them an ongoing supply of milk, preventing malnutrition and the risk that children will grow up weakened.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.marketwatch.com%2Fstory%2Fbernie-sanders-says-its-time-for-the-super-rich-to-do-the-morally-right-thing-2019-02-15%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0w5_vYwSw1jGW_b1Ih_kJ0hGEVHOCTyzrf66ic-O99Bk5pM0dQRb1Mue4&h=AT1cGRFekf85kL4BsegLRX5P7m3RgE1gPxr-z824LGq-4RMBaVqI1rjYxQFgrI-r5ZlktD67zwaBF9NXTUFpkWVsGRnSwez1CXfW_4mWmYL4D8WH3mR1Un7tpQLXTrArpe_BqQ" href="https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-says-its-time-for-the-super-rich-to-do-the-morally-right-thing-2019-02-15?fbclid=IwAR0w5_vYwSw1jGW_b1Ih_kJ0hGEVHOCTyzrf66ic-O99Bk5pM0dQRb1Mue4" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Bernie Sanders says it’s time for the super rich to ‘do the morally right thing’</span></a></div>
As opposed to when it wasn't time for the super rich to do the morally right thing?<br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1INRUXNpd3Y/XIHNhWxwxTI/AAAAAAAAArk/YtQ40GnEAd0Dl0LfF5KFqJ3vesFhVmAlQCLcBGAs/s1600/manki-kim-1079858-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1067" data-original-width="1600" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1INRUXNpd3Y/XIHNhWxwxTI/AAAAAAAAArk/YtQ40GnEAd0Dl0LfF5KFqJ3vesFhVmAlQCLcBGAs/s320/manki-kim-1079858-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a>We should keep in mind though, that even though we're far, far, far less wealthy than those to whom Bernie's referring, many of us are still in the top 10(or less)% of the world's wealthiest, and have lifestyles incomparably more comfortable than much of humanity. If we resist corporations' attempts to pressure us <span class="text_exposed_show">into spending on things we don't need, we can genuinely make a significant difference to some of the world's poorest people. I find it incredibly exciting how much of a bargain it is to sponsor a child in a developing country, for example - the equivalent of half a dozen Starbucks trips each month could give a child a totally transformed future.</span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/10ways/photos/a.576437339060495/2080093328694881/?type=3" target="_blank">Get rich and get skinny. £6.49 at The Range.<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></a></div>
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I know this will sound stupidly oversensitive, but as someone who's had life ruined by anorexia, would you please consider not casually telling people to "get skinny"?<br />
I know that, for those who've not had an eating disorder, it sounds laughable - but in reality little phrases like this get stuck in our heads - and because we never think we're skinny enough, you're instructing us to starve ourselves. Unfortunately, we can't simply switch off the messages that get stuck in our minds.<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">yeah but obesity is an epidemic now and if throw away phrases like skinny are banded about, its not a big price to pay to sort out the biggest killer which is obesity Anorexia is not a common problem, we are all overweight</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hen you say "not a small price to pay", I presume you're referring to the lives of those who have eating disorders? <br />What about the parents' and others who are devastated at seeing their loved ones waste away? <br />I'm aware that obesity is a huge issue, but the phrase "get skinny" isn't going to help it at all.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">When did I say that life is only about me? Millions of people suffer with eating disorders - and most have numerous family members who are affected as a result. I'm not unconcerned about those struggling with being overweight - but the phrase "get skinny" won't help them.</span></span></span><br />
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How can we encourage individuals like Ellen Page to see that there are distinctions between a person, their feelings, and their actions? Ie, to feel or desire something does not compel one to act on it - our culture gives the message that humans are powerless pawns to our sexual urges (should I blame Freud?) but we know that human beings are more powerful than that. If a person does act, God - cliched as it sounds to those of us in the Christian community - loves the sinner whilst hating the sin. Our culture ignores the inherent value of a human by insisting that to disagree with their actions is to hate them.<br />
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No, one person's words don't "prove" something about everyone on one side of the political spectrum. Obviously, I don't doubt that there are some of the left with indefensible views - but everyone is unique, with their own combination of opinions, influenced by their personal experiences and knowledge; and everyone is responsible for their own words, not other peoples'.<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Many cocoa bean pickers are so poor that they can't afford to buy any chocolate themselves. The $hundreds or $thousands that it costs us to go on holiday could genuinely transform life for one of them, and their family (even after subtracting enough$ to buy a stack of chocolate for ourselves, if we so choose).<br />And wouldn't it be great not to add the large amount of gas that flying produces into the atmosphere?<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzEN4hcZutO0%26fbclid%3DIwAR2jbS7x4NG3XP-843tluO2nxCAHrPcIUT9pLmUCF9W4UEB_cfZf-fDUHag&h=AT21bmq4vX3TVFzRkWItmd16ONFYdw8grfMGN_TS0w6wk3VEUM3UVMwTNtqdm0smjQ_lhGY-hO7ilSXujpEWNai5Cc-PNsCOzFYqLqy-G_DXcJ6SqpKDJUktTnfRzYc-1KmT" dir="ltr" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEN4hcZutO0&fbclid=IwAR2jbS7x4NG3XP-843tluO2nxCAHrPcIUT9pLmUCF9W4UEB_cfZf-fDUHag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEN4hcZutO0</a></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Africa needs law and regulations badly</span></span></span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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Indeed, colonisation left it ripe for unscrupulous individuals to seize control over their plundered nations. Whilst nations like ours were gradually developing an - albeit far from perfect - democracy, which evidently requires time and stability, slave traders and colonisers paid the selfish (which any society has a few of) to help them steal from and enslave others. The continent was left lacking governance and infrastructure, with some people so desperate that they could be manipulated into joining militia groups (such as Boko Haram).<br />
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I've been stunned by how many people genuinely believe that the foetus is "just a clump of cells", that it's not human, and not a living thing.<br />
The extreme, rare incidences of fatal abnormalities are repeatedly presumed to justify law changes that will lead to the death of tens of thousands of healthy unborn humans. Photos of foetuses are deemed offensive - whilst scans of foetuses of the same ag<span class="text_exposed_show">es are celebrated when the parents want them. Rape is regularly used as an argument in support of abortion, though Planned Parenthood's own stats say that rape is only the cause of 1% of pregnancies that women want to abort (it's reasonable to suspect that the real figure would be less than 1% here, and without the bias of PP). <br />Has it not occurred to us that women are more likely to have unsafe sex when abortion is readily available?<br />Are abortion supporters unaware that women are often left emotionally scarred after having abortions – and that some have died in legal supposedly "safe" abortion procedures? <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fis.gd%2F8AHSzb%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3Kzr6uC1cH6S-rkeWYofn7JSGxL7tiJWNknqZtSAipUBmNizEb7Qwxds0&h=AT2tHN_LfN5sJ4ko10eHjHrTLke3DrlzoDfqoEXz57-K0GtOzAaeb9GWu2BR1LYsiRewFtFe9td4BBvfKs4ojTUMgSEix29itl-dVp9kHV13Sm8496VRxg2g9zKmOrgMka88HiPA" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://is.gd/8AHSzb</a> Ambulances were called a total of 466 times at London abortion clinics over the last year.(data from the London Ambulance Service)<a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flifecharity.org.uk%2Fnews-and-views%2Fambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3fSwmElUhW8m9aERaUpVzwaN1hAnzeZnJuaK9SrCGzkP9OALARekrKkbE&h=AT2L6pN3aseHuPI8_4dq7_1R9HOIG3HYtC6qoIEIoCTVfXMlD1f4dtAFQTQdv4q4rDXnYUfW21aT9GTPyQbw_orUO4AxPKxJyPKR9wRqyBScoFn5yBOfnPsQguwao_MbP8PUPtI6" href="https://lifecharity.org.uk/news-and-views/ambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics/?fbclid=IwAR3fSwmElUhW8m9aERaUpVzwaN1hAnzeZnJuaK9SrCGzkP9OALARekrKkbE" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://lifecharity.org.uk/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>news-and-views/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>ambulances-called-778-times-london-indepe<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>ndent-abortion-clinics/</a> <br />There are infertile couples desperate for babies - why are so many people in support of it being possible to suction them to pieces?</span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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I want to be supportive - but people boasting about and deifying money is at the root of many of humanity's problems - if only she could use her skill to rap about something else.<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Explore Oxfam - they sell online (their site, and ebay) a well as in store. It's better for the planet than any new items, and the money all (aside from admin costs) goes to the world's very poorest people. Some of the items are brand new, some are from very expensive brands, styles vary endlessly.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Only problem is, about 90% of what is raised by Oxfam goes on administration, wages, fees etc, only 10% goes to those who need it. You'd be better off buying from a Hospice shop (eg St.Luke's) where the figures are reversed.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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Why do you think that? Where did you get that data from? Oxfam spends aroud 20% on admin, similar to other charities. And what's led you to think that hospices are vastly more efficient? Though indeed, it's obviously better to buy from a hospice than to buy froma regular shop.<br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why do you think that Christianity's equivocal to astrology? Christianity's based on science, philosophy and events - obviously, you interpret science and philosophy differently, and you presume those events to not have actually happened (have you weighed up the arguments on both sides?) - but they mean that believing in Christianity is entirely different from believing in horoscopes.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Astrology is science based on the vibrations the planets were making when you took your first breath. Anyone who has tried to disprove this science, has come back as a believer.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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Why would the "vibrations" of planners when we're born affect our life's course or personality? Which scientific findings are you referring to?<br />
Why do you think that "everyone" who's set out to disprove astrology has become a believer in it? (Ie where's the data that's led you to believe that they have?)<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - but that doesn't mean that gay people are to be bullied in any way or excluded from Church. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . </span></span></span><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">That's Paul encouraging employees to be respectful, not God saying that anyone should have taken slaves in the first place. <br />It was written in a society where slavery was the unquestioned norm, and the Bible compels slave masters to treat their slaves well, contrary to other cultures at the time, and to ultimately to free them. <br />It specifically outlaws kidnapping - so taking slaves is banned; slaves already existed, more equivalent to employees today than the slave trade's victims.<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zachariastrust.org%2Fdoes-the-bible-condone-slavery%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0ZHG1s48oHFI5CWsuufCSRAVd_4rCTZTUlWHnETIZ4ZllkTj6jD7SDV3o&h=AT3Kp9bNkIeg5hZxf7P3i51W3W7cp385dWkvVpPYlmW4EF6-FDKFAfCRKm3fL8ZCPb1h54VwFHTwelEej_-6qvPJvxS1FZ2XpPdLub5AAvI142MnXmpA9OcRqbXp5VAq7wZM" dir="ltr" href="https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone-slavery?fbclid=IwAR0ZHG1s48oHFI5CWsuufCSRAVd_4rCTZTUlWHnETIZ4ZllkTj6jD7SDV3o" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone...</a><br />Jesus shows us how God actually wants us to live and treat others.</span></span></span><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span></div>
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I never said that God opposes love, it's sex that He gives guidelines on. Our culture misleads us into thinking that sex is love, and that it(sex) is necessary for a fulfilled, enjoyable life. It isn't.</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Leviticus says gay men should be stoned. Utter bull crap. Stop cherry picking.</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">No, it doesn't. Also, did you read my original comment? Jesus stopped Jewish leaders from stoning someone for sexual sin. Christianity is to follow Christ.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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She's not a feminist. A feminist catres about women, and she's spending her life on trying to make herself (what she deems to be) superior.<br />
"If you can do what makes you happy, then you should just go for it, no matter what people think"<br />
According to who? I imagine that criminals and dodgy bankers are doing what makes them happy, should they just go for it? If we want to make the world a better place, we need to consider others - which I'd have thougt was obvious, but she seems keen to affirm the stereotype that she claims to oppose.<br />
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It's MAD<br />
(Mutually Assured Destruction)- and such a tragedy given all of the people who could be freed from severe poverty if the money spent on weapons were spent on water pumps; schools; hospitals and tools instead.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2F2019%2F2%2F10%2F18219708%2F2019-grammys-michelle-obama-surprise-appearance%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3BCcru4iPXCWUD8EFy1MN-nLA7NobsLD2HhF7KLF2UWUEiXU5hLihYiLI&h=AT3141VT8SJI8lXOKy4qLGT7_Y70fbB2mWzmJLMIQpPv2nTTLmalgMda-jqGAXMxcH8lDKOWIHRjnnl9hK-g0OH-h0XNk0vipudZBPnZekKRKauYniY-eek-eBrJ72NLMov7XQ" href="https://www.vox.com/2019/2/10/18219708/2019-grammys-michelle-obama-surprise-appearance?fbclid=IwAR3BCcru4iPXCWUD8EFy1MN-nLA7NobsLD2HhF7KLF2UWUEiXU5hLihYiLI" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Michelle Obama makes a surprise appearance at the opening of the Grammys</span></a><br />
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<i>"[Music] allows us to hear one another, to invite each other in. Music shows us that all of it matters. Every story within every voice. Every note within every song."</i></div>
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It certainly can do, but quite a bit of music in the charts ATM is about sex and money, it's not inviting or unifying.</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Because anyone with common sense knows sex and money sells. Better chance of making it big rather than singing about how Charlie is lonesome because his wife left with the dog</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">T</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">here has been plenty of successful music that's not been about sex or money (though obviously , they've always been themes). Just a decade ago, a lot of what was in the charts was about emotion and angst. </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It bothers me that people get misled about sex - such as girls feeling that letting themselves be used as objects for guys' gratification is the way to affection; and that people feel dissatisfied with what they have when songs boast about luxuries.</span></span></span><br />
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Looking at some of the Grammys dresses, I reckon there's a lot of money to be made in chopping waist holes in tents, sewing lampshades on top and calling them designer dresses.<br />
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"Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ "Matthew 22:36-39<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"Religious" defined how? Indeed some "religious" people have spread harmful messages; but "religious" groups and people vary endlessly. That sex should happen exclusively between two people who are married to each other is a concept that would save immeasurable disease and heartbreak - and God advises it because He knows (better than we do) and wants what's best for us.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">wearing a condom cut down on std's and sti's and are way more effective than a wedding ring and also condoms doesn't discriminate against the LGBT community, like religion dose</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">When did I say that wedding rings solve problems? It's people actually being faithful that's beneficial; why are you presuming that most married people have sex with other people?<br />Why are you lumping together people who discriminate with belief in God? Christianity teaches that people shouldn't have gay sex - but those who actually bully gay people (or anyone) are demonstrating that, even if they call themselvesChristians, they aren't actually following Christ.</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Anal sex in marriage. Yay or nay in gods eyes?</span></span></i></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">God doesn't say, I doubt that He's bothered - but He tells us to avoid perverted thoughts, so it's not a question I want to give thought to (also, regardless of my Christianity, I personally find the idea of any sex to be repulsive). Medically, anal sex has a far higher risk of injury and infection (relating to the particular skin and bacteria in the region).</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">So christians should only have sex to produce a child and not for enjoyment as im guessing god herself deems lust a sin?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hen did I say that "christians should only have sex to produce a child"? Several Bible passages specifically suggest otherwise. Your putting words into my mouth suggests that - perhaps - you've developed firm beliefs about Christianity, and perhaps some of these are misconceptions...</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">But sex is a sin, the church have proclaimed that for centuries or am I mistaken?</span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I suspect you're mistaken. However, there are some Churches that teach nonsense - on all sorts of issues - so I can't be certain that no Church has proclaimed x y or z. DON'T base your understanding of Christianity on Churches or people who claim to be Christian unless their words and actions actually align with Jesus's teaching. The Bible never says that sex itself is a sin - only when it takes place in the wrong contexts. <br />"[Wives and Husbands]Do not deprive one another, except by mutual consent for a limited time, so you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again" 1 Corinthians 7:5<br />Throughout history, many people have used the label of being Christian or religious to seem superior, whilst not actually being in love with and thus wanting to emulate Christ. He is who actually matters, ignore the hypocrites.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">So every other religion is nonsense apart from yours? That seems very hyporitical to be fair.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">When did I say that? I never said that any whole religion is nonsense, only some teachings by some people/institutions, and wasn't even talking about other religions, only some Churches (like Westboro, which is not actually Christian at all, as it's not following Christ).</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Ah so you believe That the gods of other religions are real but your god is more powerful then.</span></span></i></span><i> </i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Talking of gods, what about the Greek gods, the Roman gods, the gods of the Egytians and even Nordic gods? These gods were worshippedjj for thousands of years. What is your opinion on these great civilizations that believed they were real?</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I believe that science demonstrates that the universe and biological world demonstrate that they could not have come into existence and developed by random, mindless chance - therefore there is a creator, and that is God. <br />Ancient peoples, such as those you mentioned, created stories about gods with differing personalities and bodies, based on what they saw of human and animal behaviour. By contrast, God spoke to individuals (prophets) and enacted miracles to demonstrate Himself. Ultimately, Jesus fulfilled prophecies; performed miracles and gave teachings that have been immeasurably important to humanity - and then defeated death, as witnessed by many people a the time (as opposed to religions based solely on the testimony of one person who claims to have experienced god). The Holy Spirit has continued to act in people's lives when they are open to God ever since.<br />It's not about one people group being superior - God loves humanity, of all ethnicities and nationalities; Christ's offer of eternal life is open to everyone.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">there is an old saying "history repeats itself" <br />You have literally compared your religion to the same god worshipping of those a millinia ago.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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What do you mean by "[my] religion" exactly? And what's your point? God created the universe billions of years ago; some people were following Him in the past, and some follow Him now. A belief isn't simply made false by time.<br />
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Obviously, I'm not going to be deliberately disrespectful/antagonistic/rude - but why would I respect an ideology that misleads people? How would doing so be loving to them? God tells us to eschew spirituality that's separate from Him. He wants all people to know The Truth.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">you do understand that a couple of billion people have a faith at least as strong as yours ... but in a God that isn’t yours? That you are considered the misled one by them?</span></span></span> </i></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yes, and I've not seen any that has support from historical evidence in the way that Christianity does. That Christ defeated death is an event, as opposed to a belief based on story telling traditions.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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She's misunderstood the Church (<a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=95374650409&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARA3NDdIjRGpLb-PV3lGJIHSiaJOvov2YJPEFzLzVgKgqDunEEHdXNchTJUBNEvrR9x5HU8K3DLcJprZ%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/hillsongchurch/?eid=ARA3NDdIjRGpLb-PV3lGJIHSiaJOvov2YJPEFzLzVgKgqDunEEHdXNchTJUBNEvrR9x5HU8K3DLcJprZ&fref=tag">Hillsong Church</a>), and Christianity's position on homosexuality in general.The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - but that doesn't mean that gay people are to be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</div>
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Apparently, EllenPage tweeted about it - "Oh. K. Um. But his church is infamously anti lgbtq so maybe address that too?"<br />
How can we break through the misunderstanding that non-Christians have about genuine Christianity's stance on homosexuality? Ie, the Bible tells us that gay sex is wong, but also that we must be compassionate and non judgemental; and, crucially, action and orientation are not the same thing. How do we get people to look at Jesus rather than presume Christianity to be bigotted?</div>
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Most of us have comfortable places to live that protect us from the elements; clean running water on tap; all the food we could want - with endless options to enjoy; snug furniture; electricity; limitless entertainment via books, TV and the internet - and so, so much more - all things that we easily forget to be happy about but which human beings elsewhere or in previous centuries could only dream of.<br />
Thrillingly, recent decades have seen dramatic reductions in the most severe poverty; more people have clean water and education; child mortality's halved - charities working in developing countries that are well run can enable those unjustly impoverished to become able to care for their families.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2019%2F02%2F07%2Fbaptist-minister-forced-girl-13-get-two-abortions-raping-8470251%2F%3Fito%3Dsocial%26fbclid%3DIwAR3B2IEH2mdHTtedB7wczlU7baVixF1fe-yI9L4r2Ufzu_bdYrh0tX2OHe4&h=AT3Y3aYouQJ6H957tS0UPBC__QNFHgJmbChs-q_tD774I2O208qbv_D1_4XIZNV6gCtn9IRekzxIUoxafA3FreffvJxjx7EGigeQ7QwZ54SPPOverAWoHmaVtPZFsVsS2ArsOA" href="https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/07/baptist-minister-forced-girl-13-get-two-abortions-raping-8470251/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR3B2IEH2mdHTtedB7wczlU7baVixF1fe-yI9L4r2Ufzu_bdYrh0tX2OHe4" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Baptist minister 'forced girl, 14, to get two abortions after raping her'</span></a></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Hey gave everyone free will, that's his get out clause</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> It's the perpetrators who are responsible for sex abuse - do you think that they aren't? Why does God need a get out clause?</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">im guessing your only familiar with what your taught about the bible and not what the bible actually contains </span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> LOL, why on Earth do you think that? My life's purpose is to serve God, I've been through the Bible again and again and daily listen to lectures and debates about it. What is it you think that you know and I don't?</span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbrightside.me%2Fwonder-animals%2F21-dog-photos-that-are-better-than-any-antidepressants-550210%2F%3Futm_source%3Dfb_brightside%26utm_medium%3Dfb_organic%26utm_campaign%3Dfb_gr_brightside%26fbclid%3DIwAR1p6hDv6sBF2997IBJHYAIs35SNXN5FTSsXLPtUnhU49FhuaBKcUpvZ5F8&h=AT3B1oE4VpF8WkB5CuXG_EqxQYXJwglrSl9qpvqkrkBBhQhgxd7oMjqsKVnC4cZ9tI_esn84fcrz2hd8QKb1lwBV0YP4HwMrk41vrzzyO5SH0EeXt7UTjLWdkK7A3ivIdtfmSA" href="https://brightside.me/wonder-animals/21-dog-photos-that-are-better-than-any-antidepressants-550210/?utm_source=fb_brightside&utm_medium=fb_organic&utm_campaign=fb_gr_brightside&fbclid=IwAR1p6hDv6sBF2997IBJHYAIs35SNXN5FTSsXLPtUnhU49FhuaBKcUpvZ5F8" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">21 Dog Photos That Are Better Than Any Antidepressants</span></a></div>
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Antidepressants resolve imbalances/deficiencies in neurotransmitter concentrations, nice as these pics are, it's incredibly ignorant and inconsiderate to claim that these photos are better than medicine.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-gb%2Flifestyle%2Frelationships%2Fthe-rise-of-the-star-studded-instagram-friendly-evangelical-church%2Far-BBTfrW7%3Focid%3Dob-fb-engb-1511253547831%26fbclid%3DIwAR3arnqYHxc_fZf14xltT6enrRvb2y3EuT3Wln5M0pMRAuz4AGNaWKIp2eY&h=AT2QjAdvreNYGeUNidDzbUNjZjfpQem6maHD3M8D-jFn_s_Xay-uA-WCvH0Hv_emfQG83RTdLBPK_Q-eL-xMdfPzBbSPZA-vyMA1YR6VM4unVmAv2l2AEDX5i7EEzWt8-jV5_g" href="http://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/relationships/the-rise-of-the-star-studded-instagram-friendly-evangelical-church/ar-BBTfrW7?ocid=ob-fb-engb-1511253547831&fbclid=IwAR3arnqYHxc_fZf14xltT6enrRvb2y3EuT3Wln5M0pMRAuz4AGNaWKIp2eY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The rise of the star-studded, Instagram-friendly evangelical church</span></a></div>
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The word is constantly misused. By definition, evangelical means to want to tell others about something awesome - ie. Jesus' offer. There are many people labelled as evangelicals who demonstrate through their actions that they're not actually in love with and trying to emulate Jesus at all (not referring specifically to those in the photo^).<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2019%2F02%2F06%2Fdonald-trump-visit-uk-major-nato-summit-london-8453328%2F%3Fito%3Dsocial%26fbclid%3DIwAR1G0LHKQXxajrUDeuDhnHyX27dMLE1hJUF75oOLDnyoq5eFTe1-ovpBKoI&h=AT2jjbl-lS9L1E0-KRpkkPqBgOubd3QKgrJJcJHHFUXKyuodQY_nK3NRzPRv04vhyz-nQ1SHeifMaYzOxP5jhdt1HZooZi7b4B_NSICxCShZmb-iG9VGaQ1oIo8DvBf9quIBwQ" href="https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/06/donald-trump-visit-uk-major-nato-summit-london-8453328/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR1G0LHKQXxajrUDeuDhnHyX27dMLE1hJUF75oOLDnyoq5eFTe1-ovpBKoI" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Donald Trump to visit UK for major Nato summit in London</span></a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Could there be something more constructive than a protest this time? Such as a huge fundraising festival in central London to raise money for refugees?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Refugees! If anything was held should be raising funds for brits struggling in our own country</span></span></span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br /><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Our homeless x armed forces and familys put into hardship from benefit sanctions through no fault of there own. That's who need it first.</span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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Why? Refugees have had their homes and loved ones blown up through no fault of their own. Unlike the poor here, they have no welfare state, no homeless shelters, no NHS, no local opportunities for work to rebuild their lives. I absolutely am not saying that there shouldn't be more help for the poor here, there absolutely must be. But refugees are in even greater need (and I mentioned them specifically because this is about Trump).<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fmoney%2Fbrighthouse-store-closures-full-list-13958273%3Futm_source%3Dfacebook.com%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_campaign%3Dmirror_main%26fbclid%3DIwAR14ygTgcj_vDVBp3bW_W0hyPvL9iTtKE_nC68gZ1eTDzRr63YUWHsbXhnk&h=AT1K53P1kKoDCceZY4_-B3Z9-UHekua2Whfmftsa19QadkNHOwPv_Akmo04G7X1HYCJU8na-io8-z162kJqS7w36GB8VFSsmr2Hf7dIE4ffrKKQK2ghvYg1vY5UcAB7Dac-xYA" href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/brighthouse-store-closures-full-list-13958273?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main&fbclid=IwAR14ygTgcj_vDVBp3bW_W0hyPvL9iTtKE_nC68gZ1eTDzRr63YUWHsbXhnk" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">BrightHouse store closures - full list of shops shutting down</span></a></div>
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I'm sorry for those people's jobs - but the company should die, it grossly exploits the poor.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fpublic-sector-workers-sex-work-prostitution-austerity-cuts-study-a8763016.html%3Futm_term%3DAutofeed%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR0UZnTmM3EJD-kfp12tMNp0Zb3DPUgENB27yT0pVF6L41kn0tAKL9PWVwg%23Echobox%3D1549358478&h=AT390wrI4xH4ZP3mp-xVtOFX2HT7cRtoCJxYz1uIrZRbqKEo9iZQVipye3hp8grzsSkdmDjgVWMVPy61WCViuovauwNj4CtPgOOVv1EuPATiVsA7iO9eb1f_aiI1Uk0eZ_ilMQ" href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/public-sector-workers-sex-work-prostitution-austerity-cuts-study-a8763016.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0UZnTmM3EJD-kfp12tMNp0Zb3DPUgENB27yT0pVF6L41kn0tAKL9PWVwg#Echobox=1549358478" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Nurses and teachers are turning to sex work 'because of austerity'</span></a></div>
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Decriminalising it would also make it easier for men to force women into sex work. Public sector workers should be paid more - with money raised by taxing billionaires at higher rates - decriminalising sex work is not the answer, and ultimately is endorsing of something that is ultimately grossly harmful to women.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ffilm%2F2019%2Ffeb%2F06%2Fis-liam-neeson-cancelled-of-course-not-hes-played-this-character-for-years%3FCMP%3Dfb_us%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1PLP5HoT95-kn0eqGPj8x7hUd-uJ_UNQfLqcJLtdHwLSgdXUJ2Qmn657U%23Echobox%3D1549475056&h=AT3A-Rr8dOUhiGyceS9-uRv8vtt0CiRbGhSiEhcAY0XTc1Ocz9WbUMYWPhPRe3QX7quOUbNNOKyaUqeu0qs5aSBATn8jaE6sBbje7RQGI_lcd5eQnC3rXRjVyh3bSMVFpouJ2g" href="https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/06/is-liam-neeson-cancelled-of-course-not-hes-played-this-character-for-years?CMP=fb_us&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1PLP5HoT95-kn0eqGPj8x7hUd-uJ_UNQfLqcJLtdHwLSgdXUJ2Qmn657U#Echobox=1549475056" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Is Liam Neeson cancelled? Of course not - he's played this character for years</span></a><br />
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He was sickeningly, abhorrently racist. It is possible for people to change. But we white people need to be sensitive to the reality that there are still racist thugs in our world, people of colour are entitled to be angry. We also need to - about all evils in life - be humble enough to admit our mistakes and that we need to become better people.</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"our mistakes"?</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yes. We all do things that wrong. most of us, no where remotely nearly as bad as Neeson considered doing, but we should still identify our failings and challenge ourselves to become better people.</span></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/VICE/videos/2158296641151040/"><span class="fwb">Raised Without Gender</span></a></div>
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Girl or boy, female or male, is simply what a person is (unless intersex) synonymous with their having XX or XY chromosomes. That's simply what those words mean. Whether a person is male or female, they still have their own unique personality; immeasurable - equal - worth as a human being; and shouldn't feel bound by gender stereotypes.</div>
<i><span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x">you know that chromosomes and biology are a lot more complex then a binary right?</span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
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<span dir="ltr"><span class="_3l3x _1n4g">Yes, I studied biomedical sciences at uni. But with regard to this trait of human genetics, it is extremely rare not to be XX or XY - and it shouldn't be something to argue about since both girls and boys should be allowed to explore the different activities, styles and career paths they're suited to.<br />*This is, obviously, not to deny that those with gender dysphoria, who are trans or who are intersex should not be protected from the beyond-words-abhorrent abuse that they're targetted with*</span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/298148207570656/"><span class="fwb">Bible literacy classes in schools: Are you for or against?</span></a></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Kids will be able to make up their own minds. Our culture presumes that the Bible is pure fiction without bothering to investigate - kids should be informed of the philosophical and historical support for it that most adults are unaware of, as well as opposing arguments, so that they can decide for themselves. Either way, the Bible has messages that can be seriously positive. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0N4DonKYBxwhYHMyMnXGvNgme2pa9Icyy4HYpxuiFZxwsR2WEB2tFoTMQ&h=AT0UOuK9708y85lIHfO-hNX-O36pU25kiRrrZcTBEVUuIKEbsOf-6kLEZhVTLXI3tGJ9stqVe9R78MX12MklY-WRGkYdjH9iyuNTGdWUvMmUkSr6Jj1cv_5RCQhBJtiuClsx" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection</a></span></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">which ones? The ones that support retribution, slavery, sexism, rape and incest?</span></span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span></div>
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The Bible is not merely an instruction manual; much of it recounts what flaedhuman beings did. So it informs the reader about incidents of the things you mention, and, often their consequences. It's not instructing them.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2019%2Ffeb%2F02%2Fif-the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-feminist-myth-then-why-not-disclose-salaries%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26fbclid%3DIwAR25U5CFNyeFIfEBKgGBe_-h6n3_zbEsWpUrHXOphjj6WeXCI8DdmTokgI8&h=AT2qfd2zrcXZnh1y4AT5PdxGslPO3Z-DY9l2BjhyU8FAG8F0SbMmnvf1NsPaFxzDfbdbzNfLLpuYj1OMNbbApTb-l8MaJzWhVgoIAzBtWRkUHPAjXj_i1Np8_qMOzUMeSWWf_Q" href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/02/if-the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-feminist-myth-then-why-not-disclose-salaries?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR25U5CFNyeFIfEBKgGBe_-h6n3_zbEsWpUrHXOphjj6WeXCI8DdmTokgI8" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">If the gender pay gap is a 'feminist myth', then why not disclose salaries?</span></a></div>
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Why are we not more concerned about those paid just several £ per day - for 12 hours, in dangerous conditions - for the multinational corporations who sell us food, clothes and electronics?<br />
Instead, female politicians and screen personalities get the attention for not earning as much as their male counterparts. Whilst that inequality is obviously wrong, I'm heartbroken that finite media attention is expended on women who are the most privileged on the planet whilst other human beings work incomparably more depressing jobs and struggle to afford their diet of rice whils living in extreme squalour.</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">you know you can be concerned about more than one thing at once?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">But public attention is finite. If, in place of articles about actresses, TV presenters, business women etc, there were more about the human beings actually suffering because of lowpay, there might actually be significant transformations to harsh lives.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/yahoonews/posts/10157893602466037" target="_blank">Bernie Sanders to significantly raise taxes on the wealthiest 0.2 percent of Americans</a>.<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Aw, those poor little billionaires.<br />Seriously though, we mustn't let the insane wealth of the top 1% lead s to forget that most of us are still in the top 10% (of humanity in terms of wealth) - let's keep reminding ourselves how luxurious it is (compared to most of humanity or those who lived earlier in history) to have comfortable, furnished homes; clean water and electricity; an endless selection of food and entertainment; and so much more. We're surrounded by a culture that encourages us to feel frustrated that we don't have the things that we see celebrities have, but we enjoy life far more when we remember to be glad about what we have.<br />And we can make a truly amazing difference to those who are in poverty beyond anything we can imagine; for example, each $6 (a trip to Starbucks?) can feed a starving child for a month with <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=109934439031299&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/lgfth/?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">Feed The Hungry USA</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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I don't doubt that there is hatred on the right that needs addressing - but simply believing that God knows better than we do about sex does not mean that <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=6726182861&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARCzrAhP7n8hPr8_P_vqEwnFoefoKbdtcI8hpeTYdGe6zCWe4KoiA22uR4c7TULpaFZA6eHRialRgmpx%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/mikepence/?eid=ARCzrAhP7n8hPr8_P_vqEwnFoefoKbdtcI8hpeTYdGe6zCWe4KoiA22uR4c7TULpaFZA6eHRialRgmpx&fref=tag">Mike Pence</a> hates people and is trying to cause suffering. I'm in the UK, so I don't know enough about this - but has he specifically said or done hateful things?</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">two words: conversion therapy</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">OK, that's helpful, thank you - but can you clarify what Pence has done regarding conversion therapy and what you mean by conversion therapy? Ie there's a world of difference between people being forced into something and choosing to ask for something; and between the evil electric shock treatments of the past and counselling.</span></span></span><i><br /><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">when you're sitting with a computer in front of you and ask other people to do your homework for you it doesn't really look like you want answers. Google is your friend.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
O<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">bviously I've looked at various sources, but I'm curious as to the options of those who agree with Ellen Page since despite having researched Pence, I can't see the logic of her statement. Honestly, I think that there's a huge chasm between what Christianity actually is and how secular society perceives it - in part because of the many who call themselves Christians because they like the label, whilst not actually being in love with (and thus longing to emulate) Christ.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">As I said, we need clarity about what's meant by "conversion therapy". It's a catch all phrase used to decribe entirely differing things. Talking therapy (for people wanting to reduce sexual thoughts) is not evil, but gets labelled "conversion therapy" along with historical practices that obviously were evil. As the Snopes link points out, it was wrongly reported that Pence supportd electric shock treatments. Elizabeth Walton is there evidence that the aversion conditioning that you describe is whay Pence supports?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why do you think that the Bible was editted again and again, Stephen King? Textual studies of the ancient manuscripts evidence the crucial fact that scripture, deemed as Holy, was copied meticulously, Many pious Rabbis learnt Moses' words (from God) by heart with immense pride - it couldn't be that edits werre made since others would object.<br />However, Jesus taught that the laws regarding material things - food, appearance - no longer applied. It's perfectly reasonable that God would have given the Hebrews in Moses' time specific guidelines for that time and place,for their own safety and for the purpose of avoiding the paganism surrounding them at the time -thus some of the Levitical laws relate to avoiding food that would have been dangerous with the limited cooking techniques of the time, or to avoiding pagan worship customs of surrounding tribes.</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Ultimately, Jesus, when brought a woman caught having sex that she shouldn't have been, saved her from being attacked, and told her to "go and sin no more". So Christianity is, without question entirely opposed to the abuse that Ellen Page refers to. He demonstrated that there's a distinction between people and their actions, ie to believe that an action is against God's plan doesn't mean hating the person. And I can't see how Pence disapproving of gay marriage would lead to people physically attacking gay people - I think that the sad reality is that some people just get a kick out of violence.<br />At the same time, all of us Christians need to do better at showing the love that Jesus commands.</span></span></span><br />
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Does anyone know what % of the cost of Starbucks drinks go to the third world labourers who provide the coffee beans (and cocoa and sugar)? The cost of a Starbucks drink could feed a child in a famine for weeks, so I can't help but think of it as a symbol of unjust capitalism.</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I see why you're single.</span></span></i></span><br />
N<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">o, that would imply that I've tried to get a partner and failed because I'm irritating. Indeed, I am irritating, but I've not tried at all to get a partner of any sort in the first place. Thus the reason I'm single is that I choose to be. And I don't care that you think I'm weird <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:)</span></span></span></span></span> <span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><br /></span></span></span> <i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Does anybody care? Don't buy a Starbucks and donate your coffee money to a charity if that's how you feel.</span></span></span></i>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">You honestly don't care about the human beings working all hours and being paid so little they can literally barely afford to eat - who provide what WE consume?<br />Why? Are you unaware that they're every bit as human as you?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"Sent from grace's iPhone"</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">W</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hat? I've never owned an iPhone. Trying to point out someone's hypocrisy blatantly fails when what you're basing your comment on is your own factless assumption.</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The cost of the computer or smart phone you types this reply on could feed a family for a year. I'm actually sympathetic to the point I think you're trying to make, but it doesn't make sense as a barrier to entry. Otherwise, we are all guilty and none of us should try do anything helpful.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm on a laptop, from an outlet so that it was cheap, that was my birthday gift from my parents. Without it, I'd be unable to look for work (which I need in order to get money to donate) or research global issues. <br />My phone is a very old model, from a second hand seller, and vital for the childcare work I do. I've discovered a trick with my phone service provider that enables me to donate all of the money spent on texts/call minutes to charity.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><a href="https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/31/boohoo-missguided-shamed-failing-promote-sustainable-fashion-8418652/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR2wAcf8xrxrbKPNPMk6jPK_k0WkO3x6ojaXhzoPcBM3yRvyqt_zg-g6YS4" target="_blank">Boohoo and Missguided have been listed among the worst offenders when it comes to failing to take </a>action to promote environmental sustainability and protect its workers </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why buy from them anyway? Oxfam shops - and their website and ebay listings - have higher quality and vintage items. And isn't it awesome to know that, as well as buying an item of clothing, you're also making a significant difference to the life of one of the world's very poorest people?<br />How can it be right for 300,000 tonnes of used clothing to keep going to landfill (UK) every year? How can it be OK for clothes companies to still maintain supply chains where garment factory workers work 12 hour days (in dangerous factories) for annual salaries of $900?<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fqz.com%2F1186813%2Ftop-fashion-ceos-earn-a-garment-workers-lifetime-pay-in-just-four-days-oxfam-says%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3tpnPNnDT27mcs6ZOCPASmggF-6_FJvV7p5Hy0iXdeh4SRUxx7O1bRSx8&h=AT3t7n7Zyu2EIBQFrU9Cbk-rHnZx_XNjEcyxdVpDhVYKswKrBJkmtpWg4hJisFo61sxmvTVNILhW9xb1Ve8oGzusihE4Py-rnN07va-8OEgHRrgUCCRBmb0xygf-7TDSMkKx" dir="ltr" href="https://qz.com/1186813/top-fashion-ceos-earn-a-garment-workers-lifetime-pay-in-just-four-days-oxfam-says/?fbclid=IwAR3tpnPNnDT27mcs6ZOCPASmggF-6_FJvV7p5Hy0iXdeh4SRUxx7O1bRSx8" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://qz.com/.../top-fashion-ceos-earn-a-garment.../</a></span></span></span><br />
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But should we not end the system of giving EU citizens priority over those from elsewhere? We should be prioritising those who most need to come - ie refugees before EU citizens who already have safe places to live.<br />
Ultimately, if Labour is too pro-immigration, they'll never win back enough of the voters who are concerned about immigration to take power and be able to enact their principles.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/VICE/videos/309438119704725/"><span class="fwb">What Happens To Religious Professionals When They Stop Believing In God</span></a></div>
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I'm wondering what got them into ministry in the first place that's changed(?). I think that some do because they have a faith upbringing and or experience - but it seems surprising that people enter a profession based only their hearts and not their heads. I only became a Christian when I was convinced that science indicates a creator and then that the accounts of Jesus' resurrection add up. Have these^ ministers abandoned the supporting arguments for God's existence amidst emotional weariness?</div>
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Trump has some seriously concerning attitudes - obviously - why traumatise people by talking about his genitals when there are serious issues that need discussion?<br />
She won't make his supporters less likely to vote for him - if anything she makes some voters more opposed to the left because she's adding to their perception of Trump's opponents being sexually immoral.<br />
Clearly, she's just trying to keep her spell in the spotlight going - it's a shame that she doesn't instead use it more constructively.</div>
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<i>That Corbyn, a lifelong eurosceptic, plumped for Remain at the EU referendum, and is now at the forefront of pushing for a softer Brexit, dashes any claim he might once have had to be a ‘man of principle'</i></div>
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No, it doesn't, because one can have long had concerns about an institution but see that at the present time, it of net benefit to the population (not that I necessarily think that is myself, I still don't know). Ie, the situation may have changed, and/or his understanding of it may have changed, he is not necessarily without principle.<br />
Crucially, a politician may have principles greater than whether or not we're in the EU. it amazes me that politics and the press spend nearly all of their time obsessing over Brexit whilst ignoring actual suffering that they could address. Imagine if all the energy put into arguing about Brexit could be put tackling poverty and modern day slavery....</div>
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day slavery? Like in Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Oxford, Newcastle
and the scores of other towns where Labour turned a blind eye to English
girls being used as child sex slaves?</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You
seem to be tragically unaware of the issue of modern day slavery -
indeed some Islamic groups have done abhorrent things, but
unfortunately, the problem is far, far more extensive. And I refer -
with regard to slavery and poverty - not
only to that which exists within the UK. Our nation is wealthy in large
part because of greed that has made other nations poor, and many items
that use daily have been in part produced through gross exploitation of
human beings elsewhere in the world who are every bit as human as we
are. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.globalslaveryindex.org%2F2018%2Ffindings%2Fcountry-studies%2Funited-kingdom%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3HgKYoTTl_rijWD-Y_b1rQfZ_ApPs6baczwBBdXBAHUUvaFoY1v6RggBA&h=AT1IZKe8QkN0WM8fK-U3FjnbEE8CDvtIR8S-shVGc_zouiviNrNi9kvk_QmRfBH3-QGuGosNjIU89KuA2WDE_EnzoKVifP2VfSSkCISHV2JSvpT7N5QiT7xqfnzADrXBGWhr" dir="ltr" href="https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/united-kingdom/?fbclid=IwAR3HgKYoTTl_rijWD-Y_b1rQfZ_ApPs6baczwBBdXBAHUUvaFoY1v6RggBA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/.../united-kingdom/</a></span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Our
nation is not "wealthy in a large part because of greed that has made
others poor". It is wealthy due to education, law and order which we
exported around the world. Poverty is mostly caused by ignorance and
where there is no law and order. Ie see where there is socialism.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Are
you honestly unaware of the colossal quantities of natural resources
and slave labour that Britain took from other countries? And today, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3UtCZrOVKE96u-0EHiZd4FEXbhVkzQcKMNr8zAVgh9MWbpkYXiHsVU_Xo&h=AT1emZ-92J82U7MQ8ulRpz_eOVYP5oam3b8y71unqOmSRo3UUlLY6GhTZP7tSDx-T59ltqoD2Vs2bQnph84NVBKI-06Eeq-38nTuSnXda8mF8YoTG1rhErkj6hq2-pAly0mC" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR3UtCZrOVKE96u-0EHiZd4FEXbhVkzQcKMNr8zAVgh9MWbpkYXiHsVU_Xo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a><br />Indeed, impoverished countries have a
lack of "law and order" and education - because colonisation left
countries without the democratic/legal systems and educational
institutions that we have. The people are every bit as human and
deserving as us, but are born into circumstances where they lack the
protection and educational opportunities that we all have here, What
would you do if you were a young person in Africa who couldn't go to
school because your parents couldn't afford it, or needed you to help
with crops so that the family had enough food to survive? What would you
do f you were a young adult with no job opportunities other than to
work in a sweatshop or plantation?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchtimes.co.uk%2Farticles%2F2019%2F25-january%2Ffeatures%2Ffeatures%2Ftravel-hotel-stay-for-the-culturally-curious%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3Qmmi-SyrD9Fd1KWrT-ru_Y7MoX1yGFxdGCMa7IXg_sAA6oHtN8iL8c3I&h=AT0LTjMtNE_K_1lbrvxLEOHSVfrMG795SbCTxUwWxKmlJ4i8G-4aM5o61w97-JmBwe39PXrVFRYbfcEsTIe53zUFmEisBptM6_GYfnYxuUQBtKTJDz1nFqeHEqGn4E165Ol64A" href="https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2019/25-january/features/features/travel-hotel-stay-for-the-culturally-curious?fbclid=IwAR3Qmmi-SyrD9Fd1KWrT-ru_Y7MoX1yGFxdGCMa7IXg_sAA6oHtN8iL8c3I" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Travel: Hotel stay for the culturally curious</span></a> churchtimes.co.uk</div>
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I find myself ever more baffled as to how this is "Church" Times.<br />
God calls us to seek justice and help the poor - not use wealth that we
have on account of being in a nation that's become rich through
injustice to indulge ourselves with holidays that cost more per day than
much of humanity earns in a year.<br />
We can sponsor a child for £300
annually, giving them Christian mentoring, lessons, healthchecks, food
etc - and a future. Or buy 60 Bibles for those without access to them.
Why is "Church" Times encouraging us to spend several times that amount
on a brief experience (which will also add a substantial amount of CO2
to the atmosphere through travel fuel)?</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen_uk%2Farticle%2Fpanbyb%2Ftweets-of-our-time-that-new-one-from-the-pope%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbuk%26fbclid%3DIwAR2yQtj7d-9VF6QhYo33-YX8ykpJczIbeOcEf_TTfvfD2jpqOYXJN9K-NTc&h=AT0K_bxHfQqXltIRMoKvu0htGcx9Q8-l9I6oGKM2KbvZUPDkcvioYxFLbOERLBa4LgMNwf02LDgvM7L_lHfZkB1w6RfEOm3Z8JaOBxQXGaDVMB0zx4XTJzr87ryG9b1-3DbFuw" href="https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/panbyb/tweets-of-our-time-that-new-one-from-the-pope?utm_source=vicefbuk&fbclid=IwAR2yQtj7d-9VF6QhYo33-YX8ykpJczIbeOcEf_TTfvfD2jpqOYXJN9K-NTc" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">It's 2019 and The Pope Just Named the World's First 'Influencer'</span></a></div>
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Nice, but the Old Testament mentions influential women also, so why is Mary the first?</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2Fbm4353%2Fwhy-we-need-to-challenge-the-culture-of-monogamy%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbus%26fbclid%3DIwAR1Ri8a2vwUAgpTZAvZ-6kJ7RWVXgBzos01zU4c6OI8NHlICJSzFrHhkoMY&h=AT2vHxKlXW7sjRzmmv_tT6Lgr79PnC3QuhQOvJhTfXJp8k__OmbsdViKui_E9QnLQcDXLJ1xl0bbf6pSzjUT94zE8PjLAXvfYYgTy88_LG8rTUa1GQEcos45Lap_-SBppZHKVQ" href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bm4353/why-we-need-to-challenge-the-culture-of-monogamy?utm_source=vicefbus&fbclid=IwAR1Ri8a2vwUAgpTZAvZ-6kJ7RWVXgBzos01zU4c6OI8NHlICJSzFrHhkoMY" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Why We Need to Challenge the Culture of Monogamy</span></a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It
minimises heartbreak, STIs, housing struggles, and emotional suffering
for kids. But you don't care about those things, obviously, because
hookups and polyamory will get you more clicks. You're putting profit
before human wellbeing.</span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DA0tbBBPZxk/XIHNhgRQUyI/AAAAAAAAAro/nvkPapg26A4RrE--Dm0UDuSW2Y-InpI_wCLcBGAs/s1600/serenity-mitchell-1395947-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1067" data-original-width="1600" height="213" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DA0tbBBPZxk/XIHNhgRQUyI/AAAAAAAAAro/nvkPapg26A4RrE--Dm0UDuSW2Y-InpI_wCLcBGAs/s320/serenity-mitchell-1395947-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The
brain releases a tonne of oxytocin during sex, making many people feel
subconsciously attached to their partner. Our culture of having sex
early in a relationship means that people end up hurt.<br />Statistically, children who don't grow up with fathers
are far more likely to have difficult lives (to drop out of school, to
end up in jail etc) - though obviously, single parents are heroes.<br />We're
not designed to have scores of sexual partners - media like Vice have
contributed to changing societal norms in a way that seriously hurts
people.</span></span></span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Also,
research repeatedly finds that married people are happier (this will be
even more significant as more people live longer, and in old age want
companionship more than new sex partners) - VICE even wrote about it <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftonic.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2F8xvx8a%2Fmarriage-makes-people-happier-new-study-finds%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1IHDjHdGKnAgT4kHAyArKZ6H7rSvKZnnEQgg1gXGV8ckwzi4aM9eonWzc&h=AT3HhY_UlaqS_-ciN8t9uPnYf5ZVGip4-9BQQVailRPmBQAshq04iSrWuX5RmpifATF1xX41raVspujcL2NXKexpn-r7qyx8ZaYG149lAdM-tosNUAf3j310nwXeafht5VhC" dir="ltr" href="https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvx8a/marriage-makes-people-happier-new-study-finds?fbclid=IwAR1IHDjHdGKnAgT4kHAyArKZ6H7rSvKZnnEQgg1gXGV8ckwzi4aM9eonWzc" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://tonic.vice.com/.../marriage-makes-people-happier...</a></span></span></span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Do
you really think that one person's opinion piece suggesting that part
of the correlation between marriage and happiness may be because happier
people are more likely to marry voids the many studies showing that
marriage aids happiness? And if happier
singles are more likely to marry - which would still not disprove that
marriage aids happiness - it will be, at least in part because those
happier unmarried people are in relationships that are committed and on
track towards marriage.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Sorry
Grace but I don't trust someone's opinion on polyamory whose
introduction on their page is "I can be forgiven because of Jesus's
horrible death; so can you"</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">That's
a logical fallacy - you haven't addressed the reasons that I stated as
to why monogamy is positive, my opnions on another topic don't determine
whether or not those points are meaningful arguments.<br />But I'm not expecting you to "trust my opinion", I just felt the yrge to comment on Vice's post. We all do that.<br />More
importantly, have you looked at the rationale that scholars who are
Christians have for believing what I stated about Jesus? Many people
simply believe because of their background, but there is an endless
array of written work and lectures exploring the events that actually
demonstrate the concept in which we believe. Have you investigated the
historical and philosophical arguments yourself, or simply presumed it
all mere myth without exploring?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I
was like who is this idiot seeking attention... then I just realized
everyone was berating you for your idiotic views on abortion. You must
be hard up for attention and have no brains to follow a cult. Get a
life.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">we
have explored your religion and many others. You have only looked at
the side they are feeding you to indoctrinate the weak minded.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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You say you've explored my religion - how exactly? Have you
read/listened to writings/lectures from Christian academics regarding
the scientific/philosophical/historical basis for what we believe? It's a
ridiculously misunderstood word, how do you even define "religion"?<br />
How do you (think you) know that I "have only looked at the side they
are feeding you to indoctrinate the weak minded"? My points haven't even
mentioned Christianity, why does your hatred of Christianity disprove
that monogamy minimises heartbreak, STIs, housing struggles, and
emotional suffering for kids?</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fthe-goods%2F2019%2F1%2F23%2F18194315%2Fapple-iphone-global-warming-emergency-calls-trump%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3wKDlRlOMTfAE-cQWNQn2oOsGc2RfKlsDllAwP7TD9KcdiUURvxN5L7Ho&h=AT2Eo_w6Nt-Qo0smfn-XxVEO83J18o9ECsrBKuOiIg5BdmaEPrWMMiWm4BfSVMpqTkV27SCTC2kLkg_6J0EfwNJlu0xDa-UbpCIhDfXhViN9g7n3tTqzUV8L5GWoXbyTba8wvw" href="https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/1/23/18194315/apple-iphone-global-warming-emergency-calls-trump?fbclid=IwAR3wKDlRlOMTfAE-cQWNQn2oOsGc2RfKlsDllAwP7TD9KcdiUURvxN5L7Ho" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Apple predicts you’ll use your iPhone as a flashlight when the world ends</span></a></div>
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If
it hadn't become normal to constantly throw away and replace things*
simply to have a new model, perhaps the planet wouldn't be in so much
trouble.<br />
*Things like iPhones</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbroadly.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2Fgyxq5m%2Fletters-from-women-pleading-for-abortion-sent-in-1917-mirror-emails-sent-today%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbus%26fbclid%3DIwAR2JBqgUwlRcwvReDxiiijRinVMpCNu44kPAous_Jg9A59POGTvcaG83wMI&h=AT3t2YoN_4aidItUKxHzw_3QqblpKVjr66OkqJ2DY4vGntPFNu1b6HSS2_BHrv0tqMk3X0ZQSyAtduv8jvRI2xrbSh9yr-1EvajvEefanxCX47L1nIcxE-jXLWmCVOsqmJM3aw" href="https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/gyxq5m/letters-from-women-pleading-for-abortion-sent-in-1917-mirror-emails-sent-today?utm_source=vicefbus&fbclid=IwAR2JBqgUwlRcwvReDxiiijRinVMpCNu44kPAous_Jg9A59POGTvcaG83wMI" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Letters from Women Pleading for Abortion, Sent in 1917, Mirror Emails Sent Today</span></a></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Reasons for abortions vary endlessly - very, very few happen because of partner abuse. <br />If
that situation does arise, the solution is to leave the partner, who,
aside from the issue of abortion, clearly should be avoided on account
of being dangerous. Fortunately, there's more help for women in abusive
relationships today than there was in 1917, though obviously much more
is needed. What this^ ignores is the reality that today, there are many
forced into abortions by abusive partners or pimps, and the pro-abortion
movement, campaigning for no-questions-asked abortion - including for
teenagers without parental knowledge - and campaigning against pro-life
groups, are aiding exploitation.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">lol "leave the partner" that ignorance is so blissful huh</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Gosh,
I'm not suggesting that a woman in abusive relationship can easily
leave her partner - but it's ridiculous that a clinic will kill the tiny
human and send the woman back to the abuser rather than help her to
leave him.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span>I know I don't get to decide, I'm just commenting. We all do that online.<br />
But on the subject of doing things with other peoples' bodies, why is
it that you think it's OK for a person to destroy the body (and life) of
a tiny human?<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.johnstonsarchive.net%2Fpolicy%2Fabortion%2Fabreasons.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2nKbPqAruflvfflfmpQFIz7tyPyzTh42-gzieplOKMoIqn-bYBIDrdvjw&h=AT2UU0z9LN-6Gu9PuImhyPC0kOH4VGAEehJlI8a8cXLFwBEiG7g_C14M6heP0dgI0Qti8ys3JgnMjZwkFgpqxVFDxzdpWM9Kywhuc82MdbTzcBFR5WD3uM-xj5vXN1RUWVdB" dir="ltr" href="http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html?fbclid=IwAR2nKbPqAruflvfflfmpQFIz7tyPyzTh42-gzieplOKMoIqn-bYBIDrdvjw" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"> http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/.../abortion/abreasons.html</a></span></span></span></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Religious. What a surprise. Keep your insane sky-daddy nonsense out of reality.</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">When did I mention a "sky daddy"?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Your head must be up the same ass you pulled those figures from.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"Those
figures"? Is that what you were referring to? The data is from the
Guttmacher Institute - the research division of Planned Parenthood.
You're all accusing me of being ignorant of abusive relationships
- but the point of my comment was, as the data shows, that they're
almost never the reason for an abortion, thus the original post title
and caption by Vice) are misleading. <br />I'm aware that
it's extremely difficult for a woman to escape/be freed from, an abusive
relationship, I was merely stating that I believe that more should be
done to help these women, rather than more be done to facilitate
abortion (which is what Vice is arguing for here).<br />What
Vice is attempting to do is to justify abortion on the basis of
exceptionally rare cases, which is faulty logic. Trump uses the same
strategy when he uses cases of crimes by migrants to justify keeping out
all migrants - (please note that I'm comparing Vice - not women - to
Trump) - the vast majority of migrants are not criminals, so policy
should be based on helping innocent refugees; the vast majority of
abortions are not because they would avert partner abuse, so discussion
regarding abortion should be based on those more common reasons.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What's
ironic that when the far right christian taliban goes on about
abortion, once that teen mom gives birth, they call her a whore and deny
her benefits. Republicans don't seem to care about living children or
they wouldn't put them in cages.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You're
presuming that because I'm not pro-abortion I must be far right and
would call teen mums (or anyone, for that matter) whores and endorse
putting children in cages? Why? Did you even read my earlier comments? <br />I'm in the UK, and always
vote left. My biggest political concern is poverty - most of all in
developing countries, I spend a lot of my time on Facebook arguing in
favour of supporting migrants and increasing foreign aid.<br />Anyone
can call themselves a Christian, and I know that where you are, many
people do because they like the label - but if you think that actual
Christianity is at all comparable to the taliban, you've very much
misunderstood</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">there
is NO such thing as a "PRO-ABORTION" movement FFS. it's called
PRO-CHOICE. you do not get to decide what another wants to do with her
body. that's it. don't want an abortion, don't get one!</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I know I don't get to decide, I'm just commenting. We all do that online.<br />But
on the subject of doing things with other peoples' bodies, why is it
that you think it's OK for a person to destroy the body (and life) of a
tiny human?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcbsn.ws%2F2CKyEr4%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3Z9PdhlpbmKG54UiNpjeyEBY0b-FVQyC-6LPjsvllPWQtX6l1FVoVFrVg&h=AT1i6y7MXPdzQKifcEqamiJ6D909axlNlfiMJAni5Q7e5_TTihnD5ls-YV8fDsOUZpbQbQWXer_T_o68JmJXKXmQyeYOYykcSsbMIt2ksRLvt_ym4Sm97DS4p6CWSJ3udOZmQg" href="https://cbsn.ws/2CKyEr4?fbclid=IwAR3Z9PdhlpbmKG54UiNpjeyEBY0b-FVQyC-6LPjsvllPWQtX6l1FVoVFrVg" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Collins says shutdown accomplished "absolutely nothing"</span></a></div>
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So
far as I could see, it accomplished the strengthening of community
relationships as people helped one another and demonstrated that
compassion trumps politics.<br />
NB, I'm not saying that that justified the hurt caused to workers, I'm seriously upset that they were so mistreated.<br />
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Because
their countries have been ruined y the colonisation and exploitation
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a grip, as a person above said, they were a refugee and rather than
bypass countries, they would go to the nearest country where they would
be safe, trouble is uk is way too soft, soldiers and kids sleeping on
the streets! Yet take in people who could have found safety elsewhere
nearer in their journey</span></span></span></i><br />
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country they would be safe - which is? And why should other countries
take all of them? We take in a tiny, tiny fraction of the numbers that
France and Germany do. And in France, they aren't even allowed to work.<br />Do you speak
any other languages? What would you do in a country where you didn't
speak the language at all? If people are fleeing extreme poverty or war,
they'll be desperate to go somewhere where they feel that they have
some chance of integrating and getting work. Because English is a second
language in the most countries, and filters into media and the internet
that's viewed around the world, people coming from impoverished and war
torn countries are more likely to know some English (than another
Western language). They come here clinging to the hope that they'll be
able to support themselves and their children.<br />See - <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-44660699%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3MtbggisgY0xfK61VrlhAs8u0PlQ0Gks3RONZQyfjI8Ui0r4byCUgGfSM&h=AT1yPCY2mPCdmjHRexg6nLb_TiVliOzWzT-1CamNwFsLBa1yyngCp7T_yi_gvXX-FeXrghJPJtUi7O0Y1g-f8iN1aGCfxz5_vY9-bAaLhHBv3kX8LrdqXAoldNyRrXWo1NEy" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44660699 </a>and <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2018%2Fmar%2F09%2Fwe-want-to-work-refugees-tell-france-why-uk-is-so-attractive%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2wA1b5_JYlTWdruPD_3dm4kisUehHi8gZl2O2Ny2wW3KE7uu_TMPCGXs8&h=AT1Mu4pAl8p1iq6iWup2L_TWdBcb9FuhzjOzTnc-62aST1MpWQ4djX2pLPfBUkV-byQ7LEhzqzTX5IWwpXS9I20d7MuHMjcifMeU1Po-fTSOg-TvDw_jGBigQynMo5PNIqR2" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/09/we-want-to-work-refugees-tell-france-why-uk-is-so-attractive?fbclid=IwAR2wA1b5_JYlTWdruPD_3dm4kisUehHi8gZl2O2Ny2wW3KE7uu_TMPCGXs8" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../we-want-to-work-refugees...</a></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
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I hate how people are described as being "worth $X". Human beings are each of equal value.<br />
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<span class="_2aPXR"><a class="_3XzpS _1ByhS _4kjHg _1O9Y0 xLon9 _3l__V _1CBrG" href="https://unsplash.com/@agmakonts">Adam Grabek - </a></span><span class="_2aPXR"><a class="_3XzpS _1ByhS _4kjHg _1O9Y0 xLon9 _3l__V _1CBrG" href="https://unsplash.com/@mundane">Serenity Mitchell - </a></span><span class="_2aPXR"><a class="_3XzpS _1ByhS _4kjHg _1O9Y0 xLon9 _3l__V _1CBrG" href="https://unsplash.com/@ninovisalli">Antonino Visalli - </a></span><a class="_3XzpS _1ByhS _4kjHg _1O9Y0 xLon9 _3l__V _1CBrG" href="https://unsplash.com/@zambiaadventure">Koryssa Risteen- </a><span class="_2aPXR"><a class="_3XzpS _1ByhS _4kjHg _1O9Y0 xLon9 _3l__V _1CBrG" href="https://unsplash.com/@geran">Daniel Lincoln - Geran de Klerk -</a></span><a class="_3XzpS _1ByhS _4kjHg _1O9Y0 xLon9 _3l__V _1CBrG" href="https://unsplash.com/@reskp"> Jametlene Reskp - </a><span class="_2aPXR"><a class="_3XzpS _1ByhS _4kjHg _1O9Y0 xLon9 _3l__V _1CBrG" href="https://unsplash.com/@kstonematheson">Christine Mendoza - Manki Kim -Kate Stone Matheson </a></span></div>
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istory, these things could only be dreamt of for all but nobility.GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-49150529146099257302019-01-25T19:24:00.001-08:002019-03-07T20:05:16.408-08:00<div class="_42ef">
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Bloody ridiculous. It's pants that corporations selling sanitary products would work with drugs manufacturers to manipulate women like this.<br />
We should, however, be aware of and concerned about women in developing countries, who lack access to contraception and sanitary products, some of whom are shunned by their communities during their periods.<br />
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<i>As images of teens seemingly mocking protesters and giving apparent Nazi salutes go viral, parents can help ensure children understand sensitive issues</i></div>
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Should the Nazi salute incident really be conflated with Sandman smiling?<br />
NB, I'm questioning incidents being pre-judged on assumptions, I'm most definitely not suggesting that racism isn't a monumental evil that needs discussion.</div>
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<i>Wearing a MAGA hat means supporting racism</i></div>
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No, it doesn't. I think it's wrong that people wear them, but the message isn't about race. <i></i></div>
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<i>Then what is it? Enlighten us</i></div>
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People are concerned about factories laid to waste and communities consequently becoming impoverished; they miss a time when traditional industries thrived - and are perhaps ignorant of the suffering that those of colour were experiencing in the supposed good old days. People are also upset by the deterioration of traditional families and communities. Ultimately, many people wearing a MAGA hat will do because of the feeling of camaraderie that it gives them with others(which will certainly be a teenager wears one) and or because of resenting actions and attitudes of the opposing side (such as its support for abortion, which they truly believe to be evil). I'm well aware that many who wear MAGA hats are racist, and that everyone should be sufficiently concerned about Trump not to wear a hat even if they agree with some of his statements - but to simply label everyone in a MAGA hat as racist only makes it harder to understand and then change their minds.</div>
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<i>Wearing a white robe and pointy hood gave those who wore them a feeling of camaraderie as well. Just like those matching Brown Shirts did. It’s about white nationalism, specifically.</i></div>
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That's a logical fallacy. People also feel camaraderie wearing college sweatshirts, sports merchandise and more - the fact that some uniforms are evil doesn't mean that they all are.<br />
And how exactly do you know that "It’s about white nationalism, specifically."? I'm aware that that's true of some who wear MAGA hats, but there's no evidence that it's true of all, or even the majority. And obviously, there are some people of colour who wear MAGA hats.<br />
Again, I need to stress, I'm not OKing MAGA hats, nor nationalism, and I'm desperate for more to be done about racism, which is perhaps the biggest single evil in the world. But over simplifying these huge issues makes it harder to tackle them. </div>
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<i>Sorry, do you actually read anything that’s in the American media about who Trump supporters are and what they believe? Do you actually follow the news and understand Trump’s policies (Muslim ban, border wall, immigrant bashing and stereotyping)?</i></div>
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Yes - how do you yourself know what they believe? Which sources do you follow? I follow media across the political spectrum, so I can see how both sides misunderstand the other. I see plenty of racism, and it both breaks my heart and sickens me - but it's plainly wrong to presume that all on the right are the same as each other. Have you ignored my earlier points? </div>
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<i>What exactly do you think the word “Again” means in the phrase MAGA? It means returning to a time when white supremacy was ascendant and unquestioned. A time when women couldn’t get credit without a man co-signing for it. A time when LGBT people didn’t dare even admit to themselves what they were. In short, it’s symbolic of the repression of everything that isn’t straight, white, Christian and conservative. It asks that the country returns to some bullshit Leave It To Beaver paradigm that only ever existed for a few privileged people, while many others were struggling at best. If you honestly can’t see that disgusting red hat is a symbol of divisiveness and hatred, I don’t know how to change your mind.</i></div>
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Why are you entirely disregarding the points I've already made? I'm well aware that those problems existed, but that doesn't mean that those with MAGA hats are in support of those injustices; at the forefront of the minds of many are the issues I mentioned earlier - the decline of industries, families and community. You can't convince misguided people of their error by ignoring their concerns and assuming their motivations for them. It's the epitome of the straw man fallacy. If we want to actually address racism, we need to inform people of injustice, not prompt them to put their fingers in their ears by calling them racist when race isn't actually what they're thinking about.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fblogs.spectator.co.uk%2F2019%2F01%2Fjustin-welby-has-shown-why-his-church-is-in-such-trouble%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3QLgPW0LYep_cvFeT68yvNyReQIEdYBpyyVmY4vLHljGnUmBUf-ajE-kI&h=AT05S0sSxBfn7w_9kAmkSdz7clTRb-Z9b6DzxHOe2hEcnjSN8Z7qpRUEFDjftWx0dNl-W6IVeE4C-C2R6y-nxbGVyEdJYuRNdybnzod1I74wmCxkhVuZlXNC1xGL3dt0VA7mrQ" href="https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/justin-welby-has-shown-why-his-church-is-in-such-trouble/?fbclid=IwAR3QLgPW0LYep_cvFeT68yvNyReQIEdYBpyyVmY4vLHljGnUmBUf-ajE-kI" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Justin Welby has shown why his church is in such trouble </span></a></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">Ecumenical enthusiasm is all very nice, but a Church is in trouble if it can’t say why people should stay within it, or choose it over other options</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">It sounds as though you're entirely misunderstanding the purpose of Church (as have many throughout history) - the entire point is to follow Jesus, not maintain institutions.</span></div>
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<span class="fwb"></span>I presume, since ou've used a capital C, that you mean the Roman Catholic Church (as opposed to the other use of the word catholic) - in which case, why do you think that it's the only way to salvation? Have you oerlooked the verses that say otherwise, such as Acts 2:21<br />
"And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved" ; John 3:36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life." ?</div>
Some of the distinctions between denominations are significant - but they aren't by comparison to rejection of Christ. So when Welby talks to an outlet which will mostly be followed by individuals who are rejecting Christ, why would he put attempts to prop up dominance over attempting to nudge people who are missing out on Jesus towards considering Him?</div>
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<i>Simply I disagree with the 5 solas especially Faith Alone. I believe in the Catholic Church and it's teaching in that we are justified by faith but sanctified by works.</i></div>
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Not being Catholic doesn't necessarily mean commitment to the 5 Solas. Personally, I think it's a false dichotomy. If we have genuinely accepted Jesus, we will do good works - accepting Him into our hearts does not leave our hearts unchanged. God sanctifies, if there are no good works, there is not saving faith.<br />
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JCB? Can he dig Britain out of the hole he's helped to put it in?<br />
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It strikes me that "father" is often used by those who avoid using "mother" for fear of implicating the woman's responsibility and the foetuses humanity.</div>
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Kudos to her for her concern for the bombing victims; but deifying sex (God is a Woman) and money (7 Rings) is not what any generation needs.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftonic.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2F9k47w8%2Fgluten-is-perfectly-fine-for-the-vast-majority-of-people%3Futm_source%3Dtonicfbus%26fbclid%3DIwAR1y9Yl2Lxe8Kxjz9Vksf0hkt0u-ZI2zb0eTEk0tfwbXDUkS4HpsuVFapuU&h=AT25emtKLKBKUxWcrO9KICO0WIp1Jh1PMMcjlrrdQROGuN6sCtR4oSGh82yOZFLtufgjL6vspmw4NdrCF8En7pI3oJJ6JGTRp0HtQJYNWrxA5PmO3OCBpKDWjJuyOuSgFsNy_Q" href="https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/9k47w8/gluten-is-perfectly-fine-for-the-vast-majority-of-people?utm_source=tonicfbus&fbclid=IwAR1y9Yl2Lxe8Kxjz9Vksf0hkt0u-ZI2zb0eTEk0tfwbXDUkS4HpsuVFapuU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Anti-Gluten Craze Is a Huge Wellness Lie</span></a></div>
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And you can develop allergies or intolerances to things if you avoid them. It's so tragic that, whilst there are people starving who we could help, we're urged to instead spend that money on unnecessarily expensive gluten free versions of food. (EG - $6 can feed a starving child for a month with <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=109934439031299&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBtheQVfF_ymQd8ZMobniFa8OVKgh7zckzO1Zyb1NKKABOL-pN8KySKnq2ajYQRpNmtZDMRMIVlA39a%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/lgfth/?eid=ARBtheQVfF_ymQd8ZMobniFa8OVKgh7zckzO1Zyb1NKKABOL-pN8KySKnq2ajYQRpNmtZDMRMIVlA39a&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry USA</a> - and $6 to do that could be saved by buying several cheaper, regular food products rather than gluten free versions)<br />
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<a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italian-populists-take-aim-at-paris-for-keeping-africans-poor-z76nrl0jk?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3jK1b2uLcqviSYBSC7i0-TuHgPdPG8E3UhQ99e1lGJJJ9f49I2W-1cQIM#Echobox=1548177780" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Italy </span><span class="fwb"> accuses </span></a><span class="fwb"><a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italian-populists-take-aim-at-paris-for-keeping-africans-poor-z76nrl0jk?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3jK1b2uLcqviSYBSC7i0-TuHgPdPG8E3UhQ99e1lGJJJ9f49I2W-1cQIM#Echobox=1548177780" target="_blank">France of stoking migration through its “colonial” exploitation of Africa. </a></span><br />
<span class="fwb">Indeed - colonisation by us, France, and Belgium are the root cause of the extreme poverty and conflict that migrants are desperately fleeing. We're living some of the most comfortable lifestyles that human beings ever have because of the greed that left others poor. And now our multinationals are continuing the exploitation and theft, eg https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...<br />We may not be personaly responsible- but it's seriously wrong that we're so lacking in compassion.</span><br />
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<span class="fwb"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/reverendstevechalke/posts/10156656149275469" target="_blank">Steve Chalke</a> - <i>Would a God of love really punish people with eternal hell based on decisions taken in their few short years of life on earth? If God's grace is real, amazing, undeserved, uncontainable grace - there has to be a different story.</i></span><br />
<span class="fwb">You can't decide what God does on the basis of what seems right to you. His ways are not ours. However, I think that there's a good case for concluding that scripture points towards experience of Hell not lasting eternally. The destruction of something brings about its non existence - things that burn burn up, they don't endlessly exist in an ending flame forever. We think of souls as lasting eternally because of what Jesus told us about following Him; if a person rejects Him, God won't force them. So Hell is a temporary experience that terminates the existence of those who refuse Christ's offer, and maintains justice. Rethinking Hell has thorough exploration of the Bible passages relating to Hell and why they point to this view.</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fbusiness%2F2019%2Fjan%2F21%2Fworld-26-richest-people-own-as-much-as-poorest-50-per-cent-oxfam-report%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR141PLLQWGQ4gTMrndOYLhzeK7k145BFJFdX213GMEPl60B2SFdDgfomOk&h=AT1MdFMqWdqpYtsge6ug7-rBv8uK8sWacHRzQLUZwcn6pxUnNpFcnG8njQSN2CmA_oylhgROdoENakkpHzg23s3Vdik6hxOY7-rZsmxw-cpYqbw2jlb5ha9W4d5pgcaJRp55zg" href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/21/world-26-richest-people-own-as-much-as-poorest-50-per-cent-oxfam-report?fbclid=IwAR141PLLQWGQ4gTMrndOYLhzeK7k145BFJFdX213GMEPl60B2SFdDgfomOk" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">World's 26 richest people own as much as poorest 50%, says Oxfam</span></a></div>
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Yet, when we donate to efficient charities working in developing countries, it's remarkable how much we can enable the world's poorest people to free themselves from poverty.<br />
£for£, money donated to organisations helping the very poorest people in the world makes far, far more difference than anything we can spend it on here. For example, £4/$6 can feed a starving child for a month; £25/$38 monthly can provide a child with mentoring/health checks/bedding and more. If we refuse to be lured by corporations into spending on things we don't need, we can do incredibly exciting things with that money instead</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen_us%2Farticle%2Fywmykm%2Fwe-asked-couples-why-they-opened-up-their-relationship%3Futm_source%3Dvicefbus%26fbclid%3DIwAR1w_lKkd8ecg2LliUv8qnMzOzaOglKLSWFE0WndEdFpHIG6y0u6qht8Q1s&h=AT1PXgq_QIS0XJivIKxdd-GMgUdP8Cr0xybhZBXGX-Snmk1cd9osw42C1ToAgdhQheqSNop4ALqDX-iq7hQcbqfvHIP3X5G9tkUXjRtmBxGo1LolVDuQXuQUYZ26obW06wxABw" href="https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywmykm/we-asked-couples-why-they-opened-up-their-relationship?utm_source=vicefbus&fbclid=IwAR1w_lKkd8ecg2LliUv8qnMzOzaOglKLSWFE0WndEdFpHIG6y0u6qht8Q1s" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">We Asked Couples Why They Opened Up Their Relationship</span>"He gets so much enjoyment from my body—my boobs are huge—but he can't perform in the same way as someone with a bigger penis."</a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Seriously, you're posting this again? It's vile, you're blatantly endorsing reducing human beings to sex objects.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">well.. it’s kind of written in our dna to be sex objects...</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Nah - a few of our genes relate to sex drive, but human beings are so, so, so much more than that. And we're biologically designed to become emotionally attached during sex, so the message that our culture's given us is ultimately leading to more heartache (as well as infection and accidental pregnancies).</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0W3qjgLO7rQ/XEu9LPankmI/AAAAAAAAAmc/YMVXRm48fOkbpu_LInJZMMulZSwJRHnFQCLcBGAs/s1600/gez-xavier-mansfield-284645-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1067" height="320" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0W3qjgLO7rQ/XEu9LPankmI/AAAAAAAAAmc/YMVXRm48fOkbpu_LInJZMMulZSwJRHnFQCLcBGAs/s320/gez-xavier-mansfield-284645-unsplash.jpg" width="213" /></a><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">that’s not even a little bit true. Maybe you should do a bit of reading on our DNA and how we are programmed.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i></div>
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Just telliing me I'm wrong is meaningless - obvously I've studied biology, so why not actually tell me what I need to read up?</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2019%2F01%2F20%2Fdinghy-carrying-eight-suspected-migrants-lands-beach-near-dover-8365491%2F%3Fito%3Dsocial%26fbclid%3DIwAR2pZWedoeKoZcoP6FViXUkCN407nOCbC-dGGoLkGYcYDgUqW5_UPELNJko&h=AT0wawyeufNE_F4qf4XrRB-sFhikC0Ci0rBjlwH3u_jst_AWPfVjuza5nOidbI-Z2e9V7gxEMYIFneR2nypUbM94mZgg1KgTf1gJ9Bz6CD_fNg42XmTz5qN_GfjQLILPkiMbkQ" href="https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/20/dinghy-carrying-eight-suspected-migrants-lands-beach-near-dover-8365491/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR2pZWedoeKoZcoP6FViXUkCN407nOCbC-dGGoLkGYcYDgUqW5_UPELNJko" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Dinghy carrying eight suspected migrants lands on beach near Dover</span></a><br />
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It's as though some people think that non-Brits are less human than we are. We're mostly oblivious to the hellish places that migrants are fleeing.Centuries of greed by nations like ours have substantially contributed to the conditions migrants are trying to flee. We need to do far more to help their nations develop, with genuinely fair trade deals; action on corporate tax dodging and misinvoicing (https://www.filmsforaction.org/.../aid-in-reverse-how.../), and effective aid programs that enable future self sufficiency and peaceful stability.</div>
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<i>Its not nations of countries like ours that made them like they are No its their own leaders filling their own pockets</i></div>
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Our colonisation enabled corrupt leaders to take power - we left countries undeveloped and weakened so that the most ruthless individuals could take control. Now, our multinational corporations exploit poor nations and cheat financially - and did you not read the hyperlink?<br />
Regardless - people are suffering far beyond anything we suffer, through no fault of their own. We should help.</div>
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<i>please explain why there are only ever men in these boats and never women and children?</i></div>
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Why do you think that there are never women or children? I've seen them in some of the footage, but even if you haven't, you couldn't know unless you'd been at the coast overseeing all the dinghies.<br />
But obviously, men are more likely to come because women and children are more likely to feel too afraid of drowning.<br />
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This art work is daft - but what actually bothers Jesus is that so many people reject Him. How many never bother to explore the case for His resurrection? If He truly defeated death, He's our hope of something beyond this lifetime - but we ignore that and debate sculptures.</div>
<i>Many of his biggest followers (evangelicals) are big league intolerants. </i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How do you define evangelical? Plenty of people use the label for themselves simply because they like it - by definition, what it actually means is to passionately want to tell others The Good News.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Not hard to reject fictional stories</span></span></span></i></div>
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Y<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">ou're proving my point. You aren't disproving the resurrection, you're presuming it to be fictional on the basis of your pre-existing faith or preference. Have you listened to lectures from academics who believe in the resurrection explaining their reasoning? I felt like you, until I read Who Moved the Stone, I'm well aware that it sounds like fiction - but given that how we spend eternity is the most important issue we face in this lifetime, it's odd that most people simply ignore it.<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bethinking.org%2Fresurrection%2Fthe-resurrection%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR02H66VzhLBLgB273-IPuYvm9IXX-OFr664uzqqLkyjehCT-BagvpZ9EG4&h=AT1Ke60KwC4mtKeorlZDv8THwcjMNop021ysLMI_gRVyOYIflA0LfePIqm2jZ0dxeJjeRGxzmIlCo83foAPm8RtNzJ_hOa1FpUOFWFqIRRvPUtxY4Rg618SJWaMJHpkdHpzP" dir="ltr" href="https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection?fbclid=IwAR02H66VzhLBLgB273-IPuYvm9IXX-OFr664uzqqLkyjehCT-BagvpZ9EG4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection/the-resurrection</a></span></span></span><br />
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Sex doesn't need saving. What needs saving is genuine love and commitment, and our sex-obsessed media is harming it.<br />
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Why should they? School is about preparing kids for real life and work, not about further entrenching the message they'll be fed all over the internet and on TV/film that human beings are just pieces of meat for sex.<br />
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I encounter so, so many people who argue that we shouldn't give to charities working in developing countries because and doesn't work - but such an attitude is seriously uninformed. It's thrilling how much the world's poorest people have been able to make changes (to the nations broken by global greed) with the minuscule* donations given in recent decades.<br />
*here - in the UK - overseas aid from the government budget is only 0.7% of GDP, and the % s lower for most wealthy countries.</div>
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I'm autistic - and have found Vice helpful in reassuring me of my belief that sex is vile.<br />
And more broadly (excuse the pun) it's seriously unhelpful that our culture today gives the message that sex is necessary for enjoying life and that we should do it as soon as we're 16. Because sex sells, it's been shoved n our faces (on screen, in magazines etc) along with the message that it's normal for everyone over the age of consent, and now it is - but what's actually best for long term wellbeing? We're biologically designed to become emotionally attached during sex, so the message that our culture's given us is ultimately leading to more heartache, as well as infection and accidental pregnancies.<br />
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This is utterly horrific, but based on so many comments I've seen on similar stories, I know that many people won't care. </div>
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<i>How many homeless people have died over the last couple of years? Because they are put at the bottom of the list because foreign so called refugees get put at the top ???</i></div>
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I'm deeply concerned about homeless people - but refugees aren't the cause of homelessness. And reports that you see of homeless deaths will include many refugees - have you been to a soup kitchen?</div>
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If you genuinely cared about access to contraception and cancer screening, you'd support services that provide them without also doing something that is so divisive.<br />
It's not "extreme right-wing" to believe that tiny developing humans shouldn't be killed. Personally, I'm generally left wing in that desperately want wealth to be shared more fairly; guns to be eliminated; racism to be ended and war minimised. But it makes me angry that Planned Parenthood profits from misleading women into thinking that sex necessary to enjoy life, and then that an abortion is the right thing to do and that the foetus is "just a clump of cells".</div>
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Nuh. Barbie doesn't have giant breasts at all, she's no more than a B cup. She also has normally sized lips. What's abnormal about her is how narrow she is, esp. at the waist.<br />
(Also, obviously, this^ is tragic - in several senses of the word. Men who think that women ought to look like that should look like this^ should be ashamed; that money/surgeons' time is being expended on this^ whilst there are many, many people unable to get the medical care that they desperately need is plainly wrong; and that women feel the need to do this is seriously sad)</div>
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Perhaps his priority is to make society more equal, rather than to keep it easy for us to go on continental trips?<br />
Obviously, many believe that the economic effects of Brexit might harm the poor - but if Corbyn isn't convinced of that, which is plausible given that the EU spends so much on extremely highly salaried bureaucrats (and booze for them) and given that Global markets are changing so sign<span class="text_exposed_show">ificantly.<br />Personally, I desperately wish that our politicians would put more time into discerning which Brexit and other policies will best help the world's very poorest people escape extreme poverty - such as forcing internationally trading corporations to pay more to plantation workers, rather than arguing about how much we'll trade with Europe.</span><br />
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ISIS are following Muhammed's example, fortunately, most Muslims don't, and are awesome people.<br />
Actual Christianity is to follow Christ, therefore there is no Christian version of ISIS, since Jesus forbade violence and told us to love even our enemies.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Vox/videos/746948389038222/"><span class="fwb">The gospel according to Aretha Franklin</span></a></div>
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Awesome as it is, this is definitely not The Gospel according to Aretha or anyone. The song Amazing Grace is The Gospel. Shackles by MaryMary is pretty close.<br />
The Gospel is that Jesus died to take the punishment that we deserve, so that we're offered eternal life with God (heaven). Gospel means good news, and that good news is that forgiveness and entry to God's presence are offered to everyone - Son of a Preacher Man, though a good song, s not about good news.</div>
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<i>not all of mankind are destined to live in heaven. PS 37 v 11 'the meek will … find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.' On earth. Happy day, Grace. </i></div>
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What do you mean by destined I certainly wasn't saying that everyone will end up with God/in heaven, but that everyone is offered it.<br />
Acts 2:21 "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'<br />
2 Peter 3:8-10 "The Lord is ...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."<br />
Joel 2:32 "And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved"<br />
Romans 10:13 "for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."<br />
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<i>I find the uncomplicated progressivism of my generation so vapidly shallow, and I find the old-hat conservatism of the past naive and out of touch with reality. </i></div>
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What continually baffles me, is why do our generation our their energy to make the world better into fighting for acceptance of non-traditional attitudes to sex rather than into fighting the causes of extreme suffering in our world? There's more anger about some people not approving of other peoples' sex lives and chosen identity than ther is anger about the injustice that means that some people still lack housing; access to education; healthcare; clean water etc. It's great to tackle discrimination, obviously, but why is trying to force others to agree about sexual ethics seemingly the ultimate cause that our generation feel virtuous for defending?<br />
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Wouldn't it be most sustainable not to fly?<br />
You could even use the money saved to sponsor one of the children in severe poverty there for years, literally, enabling them to support their family and community in the future <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" role="presentation" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png" width="16" /></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>So for the last few months I've been moaning about R and I still being in a tiny 1 bed flat and me having my bed in the living room. HOWEVER, since being back from hospital I noticed it does actually have it's perks while I'm unwell:<br />• My bed is close to the kitchen- easier to make a cup of tea, take meds, get water etc.<br />•Bathroom is easy to get to.<br />•Finding it difficult to clean so having less rooms is easier<br />•Living room looks like funky hippie studio flat....I kinda like it!<br />•I can watch the big TV that has Netflix and Prime while in bed.<br />•I've already said this, but my bed being close to the kettle is VERY important to me.....I NEED to make tea and hot water bottles. The kettle is VERY important to me!!!!!<br />See that's looking on the bright side of things people!</i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I love this - our nation is one of the wealthiest on Earth, and our culture constantly urges us to want more, so we forget how awesome it is to have a secure, warm home with plumbing, electricity, comfortable furniture and endless entertainment. Seriously, how fantastic are those things?! Sometimes I see snippets of property programmes, and feel so, so annoyed by people talking about needing a spare room for guests, whilst much of humanity lives in slums, single rooms for whole families, refugee camps or on the street. If we think about what there is to be glad about, we can be far happier with what we have than we could be simply by having more.</span></span></span><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why presuppose atheism?<br />Darwinism suggests tiny accidents in DNA leading to gradual change - but for an organism to function and ultimately pass on that DNA accident, it must have scores of other precise DNA codes in place to transcribe the other molecules that work in conjunction with the molecule produced by the aforementioned mutation. <br />And this scales up and up - eg, a protein molecule within a mitochondrion, if formed by transcription of a random mutation, will only be of use to the organism if other protein molecules have been correctly coded for in that mitochondrion, and if other organelles within the cell are coded for etc. Then, within multicellular organisms, millions of different cell types are working together, and the organism wouldn't survive otherwise. And organisms almost all rely on other organisms to survive. <br />So why presume that there was no guiding designer?<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasons.org%2Farticles%2Fnobel-winning-dna-research-challenges-evolutionary-theory%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3nqpuxZHFAFJeNW4DIPyMPh3qaZn5JkWD4a7zujNWxJztxdq9K6lu9gmE&h=AT1ukKpEmXlHxaGb2u4h1hdSmQqcrVgjZVlZCdEgTAHY2We061St0_Z3rOsv3VTNMzHTilahNmuksGDi6qvvThihWLqJr48ieH85mPt4Nzvr6QzfOEgmTSpDqBV6p94s34ng" dir="ltr" href="http://www.reasons.org/articles/nobel-winning-dna-research-challenges-evolutionary-theory?fbclid=IwAR3nqpuxZHFAFJeNW4DIPyMPh3qaZn5JkWD4a7zujNWxJztxdq9K6lu9gmE" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.reasons.org/.../nobel-winning-dna-research...</a></span></span></span></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i>Because none of the evidence suggests there was. Feel free to believe that though. </i></span></span></span></div>
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Why don't the dozens of precise parameters required for life that the universe meets (thus overcoming odds many magnitudes greater than the number of atoms in the universe); the innumerable complex and interdependent features of the biological world; and the existence of conscousness suggest that there is?</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isnt correct. I clearly don't understand your blatant stupidity, yet it is clearly there.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">LOL, when did say that because I don't understand something, it isn't correct?<br />Do you honestly think that calling me stupid either wins a debate or hurts my feelings?<br />Why not specify which errors I've made that demonstrate my stupidity?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>Because generally the person making the positive assertion is supposed to provide evidence of its existence, not the other way around</i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Did you not understand my comment?<br />What evidence, specifically, are you expecting that's lacking?</span></span></span></div>
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No, not all teenagers have sex. I spent my teen years wishing that pers at school would shut up about it; and statistically, though I'm in a minority, teen sex is definitely not "universal"</div>
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And yet occult is increasingly celebrated in our culture.</div>
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<i>she doesn't even have the mental capacity to understand religion or Christianity</i></div>
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Are you saying that occult is part of "religion or Christianity"? </div>
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<i>of course it is... the occult is built into religion, a component of religion. Not sure where you studied theology, but you really haven't got a clue. I presume you would like to see a nationwide revival of witch trials.</i></div>
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The occult is the antithesis of Christianity, so why, when I mentioned the occult, would you say that she was pa=rtaking in the opposite? Why do you think I don't have a clue when I've only written 2 short sentences? Where did you study theology?</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>as a blogger you obviously prefer argument to reason, and just so as you understand for future reference, your reasoning is flawed from the outset. You've failed to recognise the 'occult' within your own religious life, and from what I can gather you're one of the evangelist/ Charismatic Christian types. So when you talk to God .. you call it prayer, but when this young woman was spoken to by angels, you suggest that she's engaged in dabbling with the occult. Interesting, because there's a whole lot of Muslims who hold the belief that their prophet spoke with angels. Ever read Al Qur'an? So you waffle on about the occult antithesis of Christianity and then fail to recognise prescribed rituals, celebrating Mass, The Eucharist and the rites of exorcism. Do you wear a crucifix? many Christians do, but in reality that is an amulet. I suggest that you get out more and try to travel, it broadens the mind. You might meet different, diverse cultures that celebrate life and living, dying and death and the afterlife in ways that you won't be familiar with. Their traditions and rituals that predate your religion. You'll certainly have to confront your self righteous indignation and prejudices and you'll be challenged by their beliefs.. some of which you'll consider the occult. India is good for that, it's where deities meet gods meet demons meet spirits, wrapped in layers of superstition. However, I like the states.. I met loads of Christians there, speaking in tongues and wrestling serpents, singing the gospel and speaking about Voodoo. Tibet is cool, can't beat the Buddhists for occultism... they meditate and stuff. I'm sure some Buddhist practice is banned in the Bible. Oh and Africa.. don't get me started, the elders chuck the sacred chicken bones around before they let you pass through their territory.</i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"perhaps you could enlighten us.." sarcastically mock me as much as you like, but me leaving a short comment on a public post doesn't mean that have time to write an essay. But in response to your previous comment - how are you defining occult? It appears that you're conflating occult and spirituality, but occult is by definition spirituality that is not part of genuine Christianity. Jesus announced the Holy Spirit, why do you presume that 'd be upset about people speaking in tongues? No, a crucifix is not an amulet, why do you think that? It's a symbol to the outside world of what means most to us, and a reminder to ourselves continually of what Jesus did for us. I also had God's<br />Riches<br />At<br />Christ's<br />Expense - tattooed on my arm, because I ache to tell people.<br />Why do you think that I'm unaware of other cultures and their spiritual traditions? Though you saying that in Africa elders chuck chicken bones over you is a worrying attitude - I presume you're aware that this is only a minority practice (?). The vast majority of African people are Muslim or Christian. And yes, I have been there, as a teenager - but I won't travel again since the money that it costs to do so could make such a huge difference if donated to the world's poorest people.<br />What exactly have ii said that demonstrates " self righteous indignation and prejudices"?</span></span></span></div>
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Why not eat your own food at home? You could easily save enough to sponsor a child - or several <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" role="presentation" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png" width="16" /></span><br />
And you have quiet/privacy/choice of music/option to wear pyjamas etc</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>because I hate to cook. Reason enough for me. </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You don't really need to - our supermarkets have plenty of options for food that needs no serious cooking, and there are endless superfast meal ideas online.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>please,darling, I am 83 and I pretty much do what I want to now. I like to eat at restaurants. I am contributing to the restaurant economy. They employ people who cook for you and people who serve you and people who wash your dishes. Without me and people like me, those folks could face unemployment. Why begrudge me my pleasure and those folks a livelihood?</i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm not begrudging you anything, just making a comment in an online forum, which we all do all the time.<br />I desperately wish that we could move towards a world where all of the labour that people were doing enabled people to have what they need. Our countries (I'm in the UK) are far, far wealthier than others because some of our ancestors and corporations (https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor... ) have grossly exploited others for centuries. Now we have the option of eating out and moaning about the noise, whilst some equally deserving human beings elsewhere work all working hours - many to provide things that we buy - and have little to choose from other than rice. I'm just thinking out loud because it bothers me, I'm well aware that everyone else can do what they want :)</span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rxECkZ7DDqo/XEu9064PvTI/AAAAAAAAAm4/V-ZWqeRAywca9C6Zv9x3zZ6MVRtteguugCLcBGAs/s1600/752749aa-fa1b-4ca8-89c0-22149117f476.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="193" data-original-width="269" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rxECkZ7DDqo/XEu9064PvTI/AAAAAAAAAm4/V-ZWqeRAywca9C6Zv9x3zZ6MVRtteguugCLcBGAs/s1600/752749aa-fa1b-4ca8-89c0-22149117f476.png" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>so you don’t eat out and you do sponsor a child? Just asking!</i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I sponsor 2 children (and have direct debits to other charities working in developing countries) and haven't eaten out (or bought from coffee shops, takeout etc) since I was a child and it was my parents' decision. And I'm not trying to boast, because it's nothing to boast about, I'm trying to make the point that we don't need restaurants to enjoy life, and it's exciting what we can do instead </span></span></span></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">But will what abortion exactly is also be discussed? It's odd that so many people describe it as "just a clump of cells" when there are plenty of medical textbooks and pregnancy websites that explain what's developed in each week. <br />There should be far, far more done to inform people about and support adoption.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i>Some people cannot go ahead with the pregnancy due to circumstances, adoption is not an option to them. Abusive relationship, financial /housing situation, risks within the pregnancy.<br />Please do not be so judgemental about somebody's choice. Yes it is a clump of cells, that indeed has the possibility of becoming a child but that is all it is very early on. </i></div>
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What, exactly, did I say that's judgemental?<br />
I'm well aware that it is a clump of cells - but only for a few weeks, whilst abortions can happen up to 24 weeks. By 12 weeks, according to NHS's own guidance, it's fully formed - ie, it has all of its organs, it only needs to grow.<br />
And indeed, there ought to be plenty of support for pregnant mothers who aren't well-off.</div>
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<i>And the 14, 15, 16 year olds...no one should force a child to carry a child. Yes, they had sex but poor sexual education can be to blame (at least here in the US)....if we here did more than teach abstinence or just did more in general for sex ed then we could teach more teenagers to be safe.</i></div>
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Only a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of abortions are because of genuine physical risk, obviously, I'm not going to debate those. Abstinence? Young people are growing up in a society that gives the message that it's good to start having sex ASAP. And it's ultimately because sex sells - featuring it in programmes and magazines constantly serves corporate interests, and people suffer as a result.</div>
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<i>Because, let's face it - if a teenager wants to have sex, they will. It's extremely important to keep them safe and educate them about it, whether you WANT them to be doing it, or not.</i></div>
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Of course - but part of them "wanting" to do it is the result of misinformation - programmes/films/adverts that make it appear far more glamorous than it often is; lack of awareness of the emotional risk; peers who make them feel that they're losers or losing out if they don't become sexually active etc. So yes, they should DEFINITELY get information about protection - but also about why abstaining might not be such a bad idea.</div>
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<i>yep. Plenty of scientific evidence that there is no contiguous brain activity, denoting a sentient being until 28 weeks and until that point it’s a collection of cells</i></div>
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"sentient" defined how exactly? Newborns aren't sentient. Would you think it OK to kill them? The scientific community is still trying to understand brain development in the womb - but there's evidence of flinching at being prodded around 8 weeks, and last year a prize was won for a study showing that 16-week foetuses' facial expressions changed in response to music.</div>
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<i>Grace Dalton ahhh it's been a while, still not got two brain cells to rub together.</i> </div>
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Care to explain how exactly I've demonstrated that - or do you just not like my opinions?</div>
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<i>you're opinions give away your lack of nowce.</i></div>
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So I was right -you can't actually explain what's incorrect about what I've written, you just don't like it.<i></i></div>
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<i>they do a lot to inform about adoption they try not to let you pick the abortion option and adoption isn't all that a lot of kids end up in bad homes or not being adopted at all unless your gonna adopt all these kids I don't think you have a right to judge tbh</i></div>
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Really? Who's "they"? The reason that there are kids in need of homes is that their parents wouldn't/couldn't look after them when they're a child - there's an excess of couples desperate to adopt new babies.</div>
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<i>they as in the hospital, doctors and nurses will inform you of everything you need to know also that's false many ppl can't even be allowed to adopt we have plenty of children in Foster homes nobody once them I think it is you who is misinformed about the situation and what gets me is that you've most likely been on this planet longer than I have but don't even know the basics of abortion, adoption and the Foster care system</i></div>
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I'm not sure what you're saying - you said that people aren't informed about abortion and implied that they should be, then that they are in fact given all the information they need(?)</div>
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<i>so you think it's only young girls who are not wise that have abortions?<br />You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about educating them but plenty of women know exactly what they are doing, know what the risks are and have made a very tough decision.<br />Judgemental people who assume that the best way is a always to have the baby despite every reason not to have no place in this form of arguement</i></div>
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What, exactly, did I say that's judgemental? It would be judgemental if I described women who have abortions in negative terms, but I never did.<i></i></div>
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<i>No, there are plenty of babies in foster care, particularly drug addicted babies nobody wants. They'd have been better off as abortions.</i></div>
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"They'd have been better off as abortions." Wow. According to who?<i><br /></i></div>
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<i> According to discussions I've seen with teens who said they wished they HAD been abortions, for one example. And have you ever witnessed a baby going through withdrawals? Plenty of unwanted children out there who never should have been.</i></div>
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Wow. It's tragic that increasingly many people feel depressed and might say (not necessarily feel) that they shouldn't have been born - but if they're made aware of how precious they are, they can become incredibly strong people who have amazing lives. It's tragic that you'd just agree that they should be dead.<i></i></div>
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<i>Tell that to abused children. The point is not every pregnancy is a blessing. Better to terminate a few cells way before it becomes anything than to bring a baby into the world unwanted.</i></div>
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You're entirely ignoring my original comments - I'm not arguing about a few cells. Within the first half of the period in which abortion is allowed, sensitivity and all organs have appeared.</div>
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<i>And its still nonviable. Bottom line, for all your angst and ranting, abortion is legal and will stay that way. And if it wasn't, women would still do it. Don't like abortion, don't have one.</i></div>
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It's not a matter of "Don't like abortion, don't have one" (which I've seen repeated so, ludicrously many times) because this is just discussion - we all talk online about things that we have opinions on; and because this isn't just about the mother, it's also about the human within her. The issue is that you deny and or don't care that that human exists. As I've said repeatedly, I'm not arguing about pregnancies at the stage when the embryo genuinely is only a cluster of cells, but the pro-abortion lobby endlessly refers to any abortion as "just a cluster of cells", when in fact that stage lasts only for several weeks of the 24 in which abortion is allowed.</div>
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<i>No matter what your argument, abortion is legal, early or late term for whatever reason. You arguing yourself blue in the face is not going to stop it. Not all pregnancies are blessings. Obviously you have never been in that situation so you don't have room to talk. You can have an opinion, but you can't condemn anybody who has a different one.</i></div>
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I can argue myself blue in the face? I just made a comment, and you've made it into an argument. Why? Why not just comment on Metro's post yourself?<br />
And when did I say that I condemn anyone?</div>
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<i>Every time you parrot "killing little babies is murder</i></div>
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LOL, but I never did! You're just proving that you've not been reading my words properly, you've just been arguing with your pre-judged characature of someone who's not pro-abortion.</div>
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<i>"Why is it ridiculous to want a tiny human being not to be killed?" Pretty much the same thing.</i></div>
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No, it isn't. That a tiny human is killed is the most straightforward, unemotive way to state what abortion actually is - I deliberately didn't use the word murder, nor baby. If you don't like that a tiny human is killed, stop arguing in support of it.</div>
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<i>If your that bothered about your view point do something about it...otherwise it's just noise with no motion</i></div>
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I hope that I can do in the future - whilst I'm unwell and unable to afford anywhere of my own to live, I'm not sure what I can do. I donate whatever I can to people in developing countries, since it makes far, far more difference £for£ than donating here; but I hope that I discover ways to be more practically useful in the future. But the internet is full of "noise", we all comment on things whether or not we're capable of changing them.</div>
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<i>i was enjoying reading all the comments, then someone brought up the imaginary friend in the sky. That ruined it.</i></div>
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I never said anything about an imaginary friend in the sky. If I did, why that "ruin" anything? Surely you'd have no reason to care?<br />
More to the point, as I've already asked, how much have you investigated apologetics? (ie, the scientific, philosophical and historical arguments to support God's existence)?<br />
What are your thoughts on the points made by academic professors who are theists as to why they've concluded that God is real? </div>
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<i>I got to the point around 12-13 that I just couldn’t accept it as being true. I researched it thoroughly over a period of several years before finally concluding its fantasy. It’s Brothers Grimm meets Hans Christian Anderson</i></div>
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Ooh, it definitely isn't (Brothers Grimm meets Hans Christian Anderson), I think you've been given a very false impression. I certainly wouldn't expect you to believe in God just because you were told about Him as a child. I came from a Christian household, but it was when only whilst looking at uni level science text books that I started to genuinely believe that it's most probable that God exists.</div>
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<i>There are hundreds of thousands of kids that are already *here* who need families.If adoption was such a great thing,why are there so many kids in foster care. Whenever anyone brings up the adoption trope,it just proves you're not pro-life,simply pro-birth</i></div>
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As I already said, there are adoptive parents desperate to adopt a new baby. Sadly, older children can end up waiting years for adoption because adoptive parents want to raise a child from infancy, and, tragically, because they may be nervous about adopting an older child who's been emotionally abused. I see the trope that those opposed to abortion are "not pro-life,simply pro-birth" all the time - what I am is upset about killing that's ultimately mainly the result of misinformation and manipulation (by corporations that profit from selling entertainment by glamourising sex, and from telling people that a foetus is "just a clump of cells so that they can sell sex products and abortive treatments).</div>
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<i>any woman that’s had termination has their own personal reasons. And there’s no good spouting off about planned parenthood and selling body foetal parts. You can’t force a woman to go through a pregnancy, then to hand the child over for adoption, just for the sake of not going through a termination. Ridiculous concept. Defeats the idea. Never judge.</i></div>
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I know I can't, but I can have an opinion. I never said anything that's actually judgemental, other than about the corporations involved. Why is it ridiculous to want a tiny human being not to be killed?<br />
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I urge anyone who doesn't already to check out Reasons to Believe - tonnes of articles on all areas of science, and how it demonstrates that God exists.<br />
Back in my day..."... "In the good old days..."..."Look at the world today"... - day isn't necessarily a 24 hour period. And "son" in Hebrew uses the same word as grandson, great grandson etc. Thus I reckon we should accept mainstream geological findings about the age of the universe and Earth, rather than presume that the Bible is telling us that creation happened 6000 years ago in 6 days.<br />
However, based on my study of biomedical sciences, I myself can't accept Darwinism - Darwin knew nothing about genetics, and thought that offspring receive a mixture of their parents' traits because their sexual fluids mix. His idea became so well accepted that scientists can't dispute it as their work would be rejected by scientific journals, institutions and the academic community - but now that DNA is understood, the idea that we evolved from apes which evolved from bacteria doesn't work. Stretches of DNA rely on each other; so a mutattion, as Darwinism recognises, can create a minuscule change such as eye colour, but it can't produce the complex functioning components of cells, let alone the systems of cells that interact with each other; and rely on separate organisms within tthe ecosystem.<i><br /></i></div>
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Is it not also because we're increasingly realising that we have enough stuff? It's far more exciting to buy a goat for one of the world's poorest families than buy an additional top/bag/trinket etc when you already have plenty, or to buy what you need from a charity shop so that the money helps a good cause and the impact on the environment is reduced.<br />
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In addition to the fact that we should have far, fsr more compassion for everyone, I'm utterly baffled as to why plenty of people seem to believe that every migrant is the same. Recently, for example, when I commented on a public post about the migrant "crisis" that we should have empathy, one person replied that we shouldn't allow migrants because of their attitude, since she's recently seen an African woman haggling in Primark. I'm simultaneously amused at the lack of logic, and very angry.<br />
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As a Brit, I am BORED TO TEARS hearing about Brexit constantly. More importantly, there are incomparably more serious issues in the world - like making trade fairer so that the world's poorest people can be helped, and fighting modern slavery - but our politicians and news have been stupidly obsessed with Brexit for 3 years.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10162007580470725?comment_id=10162007588915725" target="_blank"> President Donald J. Trump</a>’<i>s schedule for Wednesday, January 9th:<br />· Signing ceremony for Anti-Human Trafficking Legislation<br />· Senate Republican policy lunch<br />· Meeting with Congressional Leadership</i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i>only legal one</i></div>
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According to what science or scripture?<br />
What would you do if you were born in a country with the world's highest murder rate?</div>
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<i>I would move my family to another country Legally. Just like your family did when they came here</i></div>
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"your family did when they came here"? My family aren't there. We've been in the UK as long as there are records for. When the settlers/pilgrims etc arrived in the US, did they have the bureaucratic processes to go through that are now required? Donald Trump is in America because his grandfather emigrated illegally.</div>
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<i>no illegal. no matter what your gifts are. we are nation of laws</i></div>
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You say people should just move legally - what if they can't? Do you know, exactly, how it's done? What if they lack phone or internet access? What if they're denied, as many will be?<br />
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be controls, I'm saying that there needs to be more compassion, because it's only by the luck of the draw that we've been born into wealthy nations whilst others have been born into poverty - and that wealth/development gap is largely due to greed by some of our ancestors and corporations.<br />
God tells us repeatedly to help the poor - including "aliens". Surely you know the parable of the good Samaritan?<br />
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That's awesome - but why is <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=13312631635&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARDzTHEEtHQXPQ4gJZr6YicR3Wsz8gAHTYPFIfsddjidEdrbDtAOQq7XjBtM3_oM5UZT2rYhRv660faT%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/?eid=ARDzTHEEtHQXPQ4gJZr6YicR3Wsz8gAHTYPFIfsddjidEdrbDtAOQq7XjBtM3_oM5UZT2rYhRv660faT&fref=tag">The Independent</a> continually eager to post (and repost, and repost...) about community work done by Muslims specifically?<br />
Seriously, I'm not trying to oppose Muslims, I just can't help but feel that there's a serious bias here.<br />
It's clear from countless comments on posts from <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=13312631635&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARB9kFZtQ-isr7KnRjff5bVp3SyjZBBxOnCI3KgqAsuEnKg70ihLNwoW4Hes_J7xSK4kXPZQNsj9wswu%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/?eid=ARB9kFZtQ-isr7KnRjff5bVp3SyjZBBxOnCI3KgqAsuEnKg70ihLNwoW4Hes_J7xSK4kXPZQNsj9wswu&fref=tag">The Independent</a> and similar sources that a lot of people think that Christianity is only a force for bad, since the charity/community work done by Christians is never reported. And if we're hated, that's fine - but it bothers me that the resentment apparently is part of the reason that people never explore Christ.<br />
The imbalance suggests that <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=13312631635&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARA1ru4k4GMo4gG4OA6ih02g_iLPuEZ-LEkPIz4hWea3gxEDdeOmXN-cSojBA42RAeKI677iTB7Npp9n%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/?eid=ARA1ru4k4GMo4gG4OA6ih02g_iLPuEZ-LEkPIz4hWea3gxEDdeOmXN-cSojBA42RAeKI677iTB7Npp9n&fref=tag">The Independent</a> isn't particularly independent after all.<br />
<i>cos Christians aren't getting demonised daily in the UK, stop continually comparing and accept some people doing a good deed.. that's a Christian way of thinking I would have thought? </i></div>
That depends on which media you're referring to. Indeed it's evil that Muslims are sometimes misrepresented by certain papers; but I can tell from countless comments, and survey data, that many people assume that Christians never do anything useful, and whilst indeed it doesn't matter whether or not people like us, it bothers me if a misunderstanding deters people from being open to finding out about Jesus.<br />
<i>the media isn’t big enough to mention every story in the country as it happens. I’m sure you can find publicity of other organisations if you use your brain and google. And in what world are Muslims getting good press? We are mocked daily and the minute something nice is said it’s only the nice things highlighted. Don’t be jealous, I actually feel sorry for you.</i><br />
I'm not jealous - as I said, I don't care what people think of us for the sake of reputation, it bothers me that I see, constantly, people arguing that Christianity does nothing helpful and they use that as a reason not to find out about Christ. All I care about is people knowing Him.<br />
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Yuh, to counter the obesity crisis that's estimated to cost society £27 billion. Corporations manipulating our natural appetite mean that everyone is suffering; some because they themselves are overweight and thus developing heart conditions, cancer, diabetes, knee issues and more; or because the cost to the NHS means that other treatments are restricted or delayed; or because they're watching loved ones suffer because of the situation. You really think that a sugar tax from Labour is the thing we should be opposing?<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i>schools need them for organised exercise. We had at least 6hrs lesson-time exercise - gym, netball. </i></div>
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Whatevs. We'll all have been destroyed by global warming, superbugs, WW3 or a robot take over before we're retirement age.<br />
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I desperately wish that my culture (in the UK) was more concerned about the inequality of people living in slums; struggling to get enough to eat; not having access to healthcare; being forced to work absurd hours for almost no pay in factories and plantations; or being forced into marriage, FGM or slavery.<br />
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It seems ironic that some people are staunch believers in Britain's strength and sovereignty, yet have a hissy fit over a tiny number of immigrants and demand that France deal with them.<br />
In 2017 there were 33,780 asylum claims here, compared to 99,330 in France and 222,560 in Germany.<br />
Why do so many people react as though the migrants aren’t human beings? Some are fleeing extreme violence (even if<span class="text_exposed_show"> the conflicts aren’t ones which we see often on the news, such as those in parts of Africa) – or the famine that results as people are driven from their land; even if they’re “economic migrants” they’re coming from places where life is far, far harder than it is for anyone here. No healthcare; no opportunities; no welfare state; no reasonable accommodation –what would you do? They’re no less feeling or deserving than us; centuries of exploitation has led to us being born into comfort and wealth (compared to most of humanity, and previous generations) whilst places that we’ve taken from have been left impoverished and disorganised. Our government should be improving Aid so that fewer people want to come; and assigning those who do come to jobs that need doing (including as carers and builders) – they are no less worthy of enjoying life than those of us lucky enough to have been born here.</span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show"></span>LOL, I've lived in London all my life. We have "white" hairdressers up the road, but I bet an African barber (though I presume you mean black, not necessarily straight from Africa) could cut your hair.<br />
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<span class="text_exposed_show"><i>this country is the 2nd most generous nation in the world and gives more foreign aid than France & Italy combined. So, how should the government "improve" the aid we give? The current crop of migrants trying to get into the U.K rather than the 190 other countries are from Iran. A country that is not at war. Or suffering from famine. Nor was it ever a colony of Britain. </i></span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">It needs to be better organised and monitored (as does every other area of gov. spending) - but per £, it makes more positive change than anything else.<br />Our nation is one of the very welathiest, largely because of greed by previous generations and our inetrnational corporations grossly exploiting impoverished communities in the developing world (historically the slave trade; now sweatshops, plantations, stealing people's land, misleading new mothers into using all their money on powdered milk, etc and see - http://www.filmsforaction.org/.../aid-in-reverse-how.../).<br />By providing people with clean water, education, farming tools, vital healthcare (and contraception +sex ed, which they otherwise often don't have) we can make a thrilling difference. https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get.../myths-about-aid/</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">vacuous virtue signalling. Most of the world does not have the welfare state, access to education, health, housing etc you receive due to the endeavours and excellence of your ancestors. You should literally live a subsistence life, donating all but the most essential of income (such as to buy turnips) to people in Burkina Faso for example, to show how much you love this global equality thing. Insincere rubbish</span></i></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">It wasn't excellent that our ancestors stole the equivalent of many trillions from other nations.<br />How do you know I'm insincere? What did I actually write that you disagree with?</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">how many refugees are you personally taking in and providing for their well-being?</span></i><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">That's a non-sequitur, the refugees aren't asking to live in people's houses. If I could, I'd give a refugee my bedroom and sleep on the sofa myself - but it's not my property, I'm not allowed. In the meantime, I donate (instead of going to cafes/restaurants/getting takeaways/having pampering/beauty treatments/going out for entertainment/ having memberships or subscriptions to anything/travelling/drinking etc - which I only say because you're apparently so interested in my life)</span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">I was behind a black lady in Lewisham who had these vouchers in primarks and she was still trying to barter the price!</span></i></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">Wow, you're honestly letting your experience of one person of colour determine your view of immigration? Where is the logic in that? How do you even know if she was an immigrant? Do all of us white people behave in exactly the same way?</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">well she has an africain accent! She could hardly speak a word of English. Lefty loon</span></i><br />
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<span class="text_exposed_show">So, she could have been a tourist. That 1 person you saw bartering in Primark would be an argument against immigration makes no logical sense at all. Do you behave the same as every other English person?</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">You clearly don't know what you talk about. The Middle East is extremely rich! and taking in all people from there won't solve the problems in the Middle East, it will only cause problems in the UK too.</span></i></div>
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What would you do if you were born into a slum; grew up having to spend hours collecting water each day or farming; were weakened by malnutrition and/or disease (that we with an NHS are kept from/treated for); and had no job opportunities anywhere near by?<span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">they are not migrants fleeing danger. There illegal immigrants that have travelled here for freebies passing several safe countries on the way. Stop watching YouTube videos with your little foil hat on.</span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></i> </div>
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<span class="fwb">If you were in a genuinely safe country, why would you risk your life in a dinghy to leave?<br />In France, refugee camps are being torn up.<br />Also, they're far more likely to be able to speak some English than French, therefore, here, they'll be most likely to find work. Our government ought to assign them roles as builders and carers.</span></div>
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I<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">n shared bedsits created from the hundreds of thousands of empty houses that our country has? (Obviously, rough sleepers ought to be offered this also) <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.co.uk%2Fsam-lewishargreave%2Fwhy-are-there-so-many-aba_b_14543208.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR29UqQJ7N2kI60-zHML1hlcg9eEM9PHE9vwyKq_JnOihp42vQkUj0XcymI&h=AT32QjUlzdkHD7CqeSZzI2X6Fgzx6_J0wrJ1dxsFdJ5WKeK_c0nNWK_kMhMRXB6X5CyWSeUr2e3mSUSwcIm1emaqrj7Q-4aRSyqsDnpKCFTqY3JytmIz1Rhn1wIgIx3i-Ojh" dir="ltr" href="https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam-lewishargreave/why-are-there-so-many-aba_b_14543208.html?fbclid=IwAR29UqQJ7N2kI60-zHML1hlcg9eEM9PHE9vwyKq_JnOihp42vQkUj0XcymI" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/.../why-are-there-so...</a></span></span></span><span class="fwb"></span></div>
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<span class="fwb">They don't leave all women behind; but it does make sense for men to come, as they're more likely to be strong enough to swim for their lives on the dangerous journey, and are more likely to find jobs.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">They pay 4K to be smuggled in to the UK via the channel. That money should of been used to settle them in the first safe country they entered!</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">How does the fact that they pay their life savings, and often money donated from relatives, justify leaving them to drown? They wouldn't be risking their lives on dinghies if they had opportunities to build lives for themselves elsewhere. </span></div>
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<span class="fwb">People want to come here because they're most likely to be able to speak some English, and/or they'll be most likely to find work. As I said, we need builders and carers. And in France, refugee camps are being torn up.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">the iranians that come here are normally homosexuals or deviants</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">"charity begins at home" - why?<br />It's not a statement of fact, or a logical argument, it's a slogan people use to try to avoid admitting that they think of people like them as far more important than those of other races. Why not do as much as possible to reduce suffering? That means helping the people whose agony is most severe; helping the people with fewest opportunities; and helping the people for whom, £ for £, donations make the most difference.<br />Indeed, far, far more should be done to help the homeless here - but in war torn and developing countries, people could only dream of access to food banks; shelters; job centres; welfare state benefits and the NHS.<br />And we can make a huge difference - educating a child in a developing country, for example, costs roughly 1/10th of what educating a child costs here. For the amount that many of us would spend on a meal out, tools or a goat (to milk) could be provided to make a family in one of the poorest parts of the world far more able to support themselves. Just £4 can feed a starving child for a month. Why would we not?<br />Consider also, that our home country is far, far wealthier than most because of centuries of exploitation and injustice, which is ongoing. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">i agree in theory but which country are you specifically referring to which western and or 1st world countries have been stripped of their resources and abandoned? I see it more that the immigrants see a safety net in the form of welfare. Otherwise, why not go to countries such as Armenia, Georgia or Turkey. They are much closer in distance</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">People want to come here because they're most likely to be able to speak some English, and/or they'll be most likely to find work. As I said, we need builders and carers. And in France, refugee camps are being torn up, whilst in Turkey and other countries there's political unrest. Turkey can't take in more and it's leading to conflict with Turkish nationals. I agree, if people can find new homes nearer to their home country, that's absolutely better - but we can't just expect other countries to deal with the issue, esp. when Britain is so comparatively wealthy. We need to start with compassion and work out a solution that's genuinely best, not just a solution that keeps as many people out of the UK as possible, which appears to be many peoples' priority.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">I read a survey once indicating that the overwhelming majority of Telegraph readers identify as Christians. No, really.</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">It doesn't surprise me - plenty of people like the label of Christian because it feels like part of their heritage, and they feel that it makes them superior - but in fact Christian, by definition, is to follow Christ, and many of the comments here show that people aren't.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">Here's another snowflake you all need shooting do your research isis members smuggle them self's in to these people I don't want risks coming in to my country thank you. Did you hear about the beheading of louisa and her friend? These people don't like us westerners they want to take over the world and take of our heads wake up ffs</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>They have crossed other safe regions so could have settled there. The reason they want to come here...BENEFITS! </i></span></div>
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<span class="fwb">Do you speak French? Many migrants are desperate to come here because English is the language they've learned, and vital for trying to find work. Also, France has been demolishing migrant camps<i>.</i></span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">I like the ones with iPhones and Nike Air Max</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">Exactly what proportion of refugees have Nike clothes and iphones? Where are you getting your data from? Do the photos you've seen show you the age/model of the items clearly The fact is that what those people own is stuff we've thrown away.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">and rightly so to demolish illegal migrant camps. Perhaps if the migrants would register accordingly they would get help. But since most of them are not refugees, they won't declare themselves, as they would face to be deported.</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">Right, so if they would get deported back to countries where they're struggling to survive, what do you suggest they do? What would you do?</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">It is not our problem what they do. Our responsibility is to our own people and country. Your silly attempts at guilt-tripping does not work any more.</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">"It is not our problem ... Our responsibility is to our own people" according to who? That's a statement purely of opinion with no logic or data to support it. And as I said, our nation's become wealthy through the injustice and exploitation that's made other countries poor.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">in order to exploit another country you would need the consent of their regime. Obviously if a corrupt african leader is selling everything in his country and pockets the money, he doesn't care for his people. For generations we are paying foreign aid, with no success to fund Africa. They wouldn't be poor if they had an import tax on european agricultural products, that way local farmers would be back in competition. Large areas of Africa could be in much better condition if they wanted to be and would change their economic systems.</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">How could people make their situations better, exactly? What would you do, if you were born in a slum, had no access to education, had to spend all day farming and gathering water just to survive, and were continually threatened by tropical diseases and terrorists? The money given in aid is just 0.7% of our budget - how could you expect that to eradicate poverty? Yet it has made an amazing difference - eg https://www.vox.com/.../thanksgiving-poverty-war-hunger and note, we actually take far more from developing countries than we give - https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</span></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>if foreign aid had made a difference over the past 50 years, then they wouldn't have all the problems you've just described. So obviously that's not the solution. Again, local corrupt african leaders are not investing in their people. They sell to foreign Corporations and don't feed their people. So if they would care, there wouldn't be any slums, they would have education, infrastructure, etc. Africa has the potential to supply itselve with enough food. Instead Europe is exporting the overproduction of funded agricultural products to Africa. They don't impose import tax, and therefore local products are more expensive, which puts farmers out of their jobs. The solution is easy.<br />And note: they will have to fight their crime and terrorist, just like anyone else has to do. Each country is responsible for their inner safety. It can't be used as an excuse to become an illegal migrant.</i></span></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>That makes no sense. The point is that Aid has helped significantly, but because it's such a tiny proportion of national expenses, and because corruption means that our (Western) corporations are still taking from the developing world, there's still work to do.</i></span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">Your source is VOX which is considered far left on the political spectrum and for it’s biased</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">It's highlighting data from official sources; posted that link because it summarises relevant information well, the political views of the site's editors don't invalidate it. And who, exactly, defiined it as "far left"?</span></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>what a load of crap, we have been feeding theses impoverished nations for decades with billions £ still they have not learnt to care and improve their lot ,there comes a time when we say enough is enough put Britain’s people first , then when we have looked after our own I don’t mind helping others </i></span></div>
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<span class="fwb">Have you ignored my earlier comments? The Aid given is proportionately tiny - and Western companies are still taking from the developing world. Why should we only help British people first? Here there are already - though imperfect - many welfare state services that help the poor, suffering in developing countries is far, far more severe - and inescapable. And £for£ money spent helping the poorest people in the world makes many times more difference than it does here - for example, providing schooling for a child in Africa costs roughly 1/10th of what t costs here, so by spending there, we can help far, far more suffering people</span></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>if they are so deserving why dont they get together and make life better for themselves how much has it cost them to get to here already ,and why has no one questioned all the money that has been sent as foriegn aid and what charities have begged for that never seems to get to the people ,only to fat cats wages ,if they cannot help themselves how are they able to help us ,remember or pot has got a bottom what happens then ,once its gone its gone remember that ,dyna mic . </i></span></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i> ow are they going to "make life better for themselves" in countries with no infrastructure, virtually no government services, no healthcare, virtually no education, and no opportunities?</i>As I said, the Aid given is proportionately tiny - 0.7% of our GDP - and Western companies are still taking from the developing world. Why would you expect that to eradicate poverty? Yet it has made an amazing difference - eg https://www.vox.com/.../thanksgiving-poverty-war-hunger<br />£for£ money spent helping the poorest people in the world makes many times more difference than it does here - for example, providing schooling for a child in Africa costs roughly 1/10th of what it costs here, so by spending there, we can help far, far more suffering people.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">the last part of your comment... puts the rest of your jibber jabber down the pan to be fair. “Lucky enough to have been born here”. Get a grip you self righteous imbecile, our grandparents kept this island safe for us to prosper, we rebuilt after the wars to become the country we are now and not to let migrants who are fleeing no wars in for no reason what so ever.</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">More people died fighting in WW1 in Africa than Brits died. Either way - our grandparents' actions don't mean that we're more entitled. And why on Earth do you think that people are fleeing "for no reason what so ever."?</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">i see you were born yesterday ! We as in western nations have sent billions upon billions of dollars in food aid then some dim whit political snow flakes decided to join the UN & send billions of dollars / pounds in cash & the amount just keeps going up ! All whilst the population of these countries has lessened by hundreds of millions of people ! So tell me why does our money increase whilst there population lessens ? Any ideas ? Ever get the feeling were paying for our own invasion snowflake !</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">Who told you that the populations in developing countries are falling?<br />We give 0.7% - why do you think that "billions" should have resolved the poverty when it's such a tiny amount in terms in national economies? Besides, we take far, far more than we give - see: http://www.filmsforaction.org/.../aid-in-reverse-how.../</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">in total derrrrr & yes decreasing because millions have dispersed into Europe & western countries ! Told you born yesterday !</span></i><br />
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<span class="fwb">No, actual population data. Seriously. You can simply Google "Population time graph Africa" and immediately get that in 2015 the population there was 1,194,369,908, and it's now 1,287,920,518 (data from the UN). Charities educating people about contraception, and providing it, is having an impact, but your idea that the population's decreasing simply from your own speculation, rather than data, suggests that you ought to look for information more and presume things less.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">I know of some charities who are looking to place refugees with families in the U.K.<br />Any chance I can give them your name so they can get in touch - do you have any spare rooms or even a sofa?</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">I wish - I'm afraid I can't afford (nor am I healthy enough) to move to somewhere of my own, shameful as that might be. I don't have permission to take in a refugee where I'm living.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">of course not. Funny how that pans out on every occasion isn’t it?</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">Oh yeah, I'm just loving the fact that I have no prospect of buying a home, I totally chose this. Why do you think that means that people should starve at home or drown in the channel?</span></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>they are two utterly different subjects.<br />Your inability to choose a lifestyle and career that means you are incapable of buying a home has nothing to do with immigration - apart from the obvious pressures on the housing market caused by mass immigration of course.Your inability to correctly use logic in an argument may also show certain things too..</i>.</span></div>
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<span class="fwb">"inability to correctly use logic" - would you please clarify what you're referring to?<br />I never said that my situation is linked to migration - I was asked about housing migrants personally, so I explained why that's not possible ATM. But this discussion was never about anyone having people in their houses anyway.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">But feel free to virtue signal on behalf of hard working British taxpayers, just getting by, paying rent/mortgages, struggling to get food on the table, while our Gov send BILLIONS in Foreign aid from our overtaxed labours to these corrupt, unproductive populations.</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">How exactly are you calling corrupt and unproductive? The people who work all waking hours to provide crops and items that we buy? Or those who have to walk hours each day just to get water? Or those who've been driven from their homes by war or terrorism?<br />As I said, Aid is 0.7% - and far, far more is taken from those countries by our corporations.</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">Stop basing your information on charity videos! Try actually visiting these places and see for yourself..</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">Why do you think that I base my understanding on charity videos? I read coverage from outlets across the political/ideological spectrum. And I've visited Mozambique - but won't go abroad again anytime soon, the amount that it costs can sponsor a child for years.</span></div>
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Any of us could die in January. Some have to handle illness as we get closer, and it's awesome when such people are still able to be positively-minded amidst the struggle.<br />
Why do so few of us think about what might happen to our consciousness beyond this?<br />
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If you're not truly in love with a trying to follow Christ, you are in fact, by definition, not evangelical even if you claim to be. The word "evangelical" means wanting to tell others good news - ie, the news that though we are ALL impure, and undeserving of God's presence - heaven - Jesus has offered us The Way to be forgiven and to spend eternity in perfect peace with God. Truly believing that message will cause a person to want to emulate Jesus, who told us clearly to be loving to others, and not to seek wealth.<br />
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Whereas Vice generally ignores science for unacknowledged societal ends?</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It's hard to answer which is not considered, you're asking me to identify a negative; but I'm thinking particularly of its celebration of sexual habits that have hurtful consequences; its promotion of satanism and witchcraft; and its endless horoscopes.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i>the right proves how dumb they are with every sente4nce, wow. vice is clearly better with biology than lobster boys</i></div>
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<i>lmao there's no inherent differences between genders or races, it's harmful pseudoscience that persists today</i></div>
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Yes, there are literally inherent differences. Genes.<br />
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Ie, a female has inherited one chromosome that's different from those inherited by any male, and it's in every cell n her body (other than denucleated red blood cells, obvs) - but she also shares genes with some males that she doesn't share with some females; and is impacted massively by her life experiences, so she can't be presumed to meet expectations of stereotypical females, nor be presumed unable to undertake traditional male tasks well.<br />
A black person has a gene for more melanin than a white person - and likely also have genes for better athletic ability - but their other genes and experiences will determine their personality, skills and interests, so it's unscientific and evil to treat them as though they're any less important or intelligent than a white person.<br />
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Why should Jeremy change position to appease paid-up members? Surely we want politicians who are trying to consider the views of as many citizens as possible?<br />
Whether or not we can easily travel to Europe is out of the equation - all that matters is helping those in greatest need. Yet more time being taken up tangled with the EU might not be the best way to address serious injustices.<br />
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Why not instead buy an exercise bike or treadmill and spinlock dumbbells and workout at home (where you can watch TV/ lectures online etc at the same time, skip travelling to a gym and have privacy)?<br />
With the money saved (by not having a gym membership), we can literally save/transform lives (by donating to charities working with the world's poorest people - eg, sponsoring a child with money save<span class="text_exposed_show">d from not using a gym will mean they have lessons, healthchecks and protection from traffickers). <br />Just mentioning because many people haven't thought of it -corporate forces want us to spend on ourselves so that they get our cash, thus they work to make us forget that we have a disproportionate share of humanity's wealth, and -excitingly- we have the privilege of genuinely changing lives</span><br />
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LOL, I'm a Putin troll, just because I'm not pro-abortion?</div>
<i>What you do with your uterus is NOT my concern and what I do with my uterus is not YOUR concern!!!!</i></div>
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I never said anything about YOUR uterus specifically. But, in general, it does bother me that people choose to kill the tiny humans that are the result of personal decisions to have sex. Before 12 weeks, the foetus has all of its organs, and has brainwaves. I'm well aware that the decision isn't mine, but I'm still upset that another human would be chopped/suctioned - it's that which is the issue, not the uterus.<br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">nothing lives without God's breath of life. It is a clump of cells until then.</span></span></span></i> <br />
God? When did God say that inhalation determines life? The Bible mentions the unborn as being alive on several occassions.<br />
<i>it comes down to science you dolt. A fetus is not a baby or person until a certain number of weeks. Get an education and stfu about what women do with their bodies. Not your choice or your concern!</i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">What science are you referring to? Science uses specific terminology, and the fact that it doesn't refer to the fœtus as a baby or a person doesn't change the fact that it's a living human. In fact, if to read scientific literature, the words baby and person are virtually, or absolutely, never uses anywhere (for born humans)</span></span></span><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">NB - Mormonism is not Christianity.<br />The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - but that doesn't mean that gay people are to be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Seriously - contrary to what Vice thinks, sex is not the greatest thing in life. God is incomparably greater, and loves EVERYONE beyond measure. It's tragic that anyone feels excluded from coming to Him because of issues around sexuality. Jesus died for them.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Ever been divorced?Were you a virgin when you got married? Yeah. I doubt either. Careful what </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Did you read my post? It's specifically about not throwing stones. But no, I've never been divorced, and yes I'm a virgin. </span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><br /></span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Because the Bible itself states the world is only about 5,000 years old, despite a ton of scientific data that proves the world is far older than that.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Where exactly does "the Bible itself states the world is only about 5,000 years old"? I think you've been misinformed.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">all you have to do is track the dates. I get math and science are of the devil to you.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">No, maths and science are vital, and I along with Christian scholars don't dispute that the Earth is roughly 4bn years old (and the universe roughly 13bn). Genesis's early chapters are not strictly literal, and the original Hebrew words don't all translate perfectly to English; so what has been translated as "day" didn't refer to 24 hour periods; and where the word "son" is used to describe Adam's family tree, it will often have meant descendent. Only a tiny minority of Christians reject mainstream geological dating.<br />Eg, see <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Freasons.org%2Fexplore%2Fpublications%2Frtb-101%2Fread%2Frtb-101%2F2007%2F12%2F04%2Fthe-nature-and-duration-of-creation-day-six%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3ePkjUXK5ckAETcHiReNuQTOY-jTDtpPJ17-3KQXD6QwteS7VbKeicsRk&h=AT3JsuomH-iqA8YLQvRBoBI52G194HC13xC8jp1_RHb6rYo1X7Hsu0euOSUBVo0fBP29I0Lb8GqiYLQflloD3DNsLHr54wb41hq5T17aIYqgn-Txc52RXlEjw5TEJB2L9eAv" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://reasons.org/.../the-nature-and-duration-of...</a> and <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Freasons.org%2Fexplore%2Fblogs%2Ftodays-new-reason-to-believe%2Fread%2Ftnrtb%2F2003%2F01%2F01%2Fthe-genesis-genealogies%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1nmQKRTELf23S9t4IKdkE7yreznHkObgQKerFm-H4MnUYwT3nlJBchz_g&h=AT3pe5aLcOaoTEzqdvvvhA0tUSI5ZecmOnrJQ5jgMn3S5nFURCcMNuZTydEqltN6rdqflUH8vh_jU9NE29AMIN2NYD1vYV7Avsg2lSuZEI4vqbybIuIXp3pCrq6MrF2V8sdR" dir="ltr" href="https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/read/tnrtb/2003/01/01/the-genesis-genealogies?fbclid=IwAR1nmQKRTELf23S9t4IKdkE7yreznHkObgQKerFm-H4MnUYwT3nlJBchz_g" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://reasons.org/.../2003/01/01/the-genesis-genealogies</a></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">even with all that Judaism only began roughly 5 thousand years ago so the judeo-christian God is only as old as his oldest group of followers. consider civilization began almost 15,000 years before Judaism came about. So I again prefer my Gods to predate that. I mean if I'm going to believe in purely fictional onimpetent asshats who let the world burn, it might as be ones that are at least as old as the oldest civilizations.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What if some earlier people were worshipping what is, in fact, the same God? Why do you think that God is purely fictional?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">considering the earlier civilizations were all polytheistic the likelihood of them worshiping the same "god" is about the same as a person being nailed to a cross, dying and waking up three days later. in other words absolutely none. as to why because mankind created gods in their image to explain where we are going and why, to make it easier to get through life when their only purpose was just to survive in the earliest hunting gathering tribes and for the ruling class to control people through fear of the unknown. that and to make money. That is why no one has ever seen these fictional deities. they will say such bullshit is I see him in fill in the blank. but ignore his/their absence when humankind burns the world to the ground.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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Why do you think that the first faiths were polytheistic? Even if they were, why would that disprove that there is one creator God?<br />
If Christianity was simply wishful thinking, it wouldn't include the belief that we're all flawed and in need of forgiveness. What if, instead, people now convince themselves that there's no God because they can then feel better about doing whatever they want?<br />
Of course people don't see God - we see because waves of light are reflected from atomic structures and create nervous signals in our optic nerves which are transmitted to our brains. God is not made of atoms.</div>
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<i>because it is a matter of historical facts. you know things that actually happened unlike dead Arab guys walking on water.</i></div>
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<i>not a single mention of Jesus there[in linked article RE Bible and homosexuality]. And Paul never met Jesus. He turned up decades after Jesus' death. So are you a follower of Jesus?</i></div>
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Jesus spoke to Paul supernaturally - initially startling Paul so much that he went blind and changed course from killing Christians to giving his life to being a Christian. And Jesus did specifically discuss one man and one woman in marriage being God's design.<br />
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<i>And Jesus said to Paul on the road to Damascus, "Saul, gay people are bad." Is that how it went down? Jesus was answering a question about divorce when he spoke of that relationship. Different context. Quit telling homosexuals that their love is sin. It's not.</i></div>
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I didn't tell anyone that their love is a sin; firstly because this thread is only abstract opinion, I wouldn't discuss an actual person or challenge them about it; secondly because I never mentioned love, it's only sex that I believe God has warned against.</div>
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It's great that it's challenging racial disparity - but it's simply celebrating another instead. We need fewer films about the super rich which make us less aware of how privileged we are. There are scores of Asians with no choice but to work every waking hour in factories producing things that we buy, or picking tea, rice etc, for salaries that they can barely survive on. Pretending that this film is heroic is not helping the real suffering.<br />
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How is it right that some humans have enough excess wealth to spend £1000s on something that will only last a week, whilst other humans live in slums?</div>
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<i>Well it all depends on your attitude to life. People can live in slums because they make no effort and are lazy. Others have the drive to succeed and work hard. They deserve their success! Why should you have things when you don’t bother striving? People are all different. You shouldn’t be jealous of those who work towards success.</i></div>
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No, they live in slums because our ancestors, and now Western multinationals, have stolen the natural resources and farm land of now impoverished countries, and left them unable to develop, without the infrastructure, services and opportunities that we have from birth. People who sew our clothes, make our electronics, pick our tea etc work harder than politicians, but have no way to leave slums and survive on little more than rice. Plenty of those trying to get here on dinghies have worked hard - then had their homes blown up by wars (that our government is partially responsible for).</div>
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<i>what a load of idealistic tosh .. time to grow up .. but then some people never do ..</i></div>
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I discovered recently that the word tosh derives from people in Victorian times searching through sewage in the streets for dropped coins. But things are better than that now - so why shouldn't we hope to reduce the agony of those in the poorest parts of the world?</div>
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Jill Oberlin-Harris you honestly think that the reason Javid was on a luxury holiday whilst others are risking their lives to get here from warzones and slum dwelling is that he tried hard and they're lazy?<br />
Indeed money doesn't grow on trees - but the reason that some people earn more per hour than others do in a month is that injustices have made our economy, and some professions, vastly wealthier than others.</div>
<i>you do realise that India, where a lot of the poorest people live in slums, comes 4th in the league of countries of billionaires, unimaginable wealth that most people on here can only dream about, struggling to get by. And you are trying to make ordinary citizens feel guilty, when we already pay millions in aid to these poorer countries, who have the means to have a space program, but won't spend the money for basic sanitation for its people.</i></div>
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But Aid isn't handed over to governments, it's used to run programmes that directly help the poorest people to become self sufficient. The injustice and lack of state services in India is largely because Britain exploited it so much and left it ripe for unjust individuals to take control after the Empire.<br />
Try this - https://devtracker.dfid.gov.uk/countries/IN<br />
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34398449</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>[Those on expensive holidays] have worked hard at school and maybe university and have striven to better their skills and knowledge to enable themselves to get a well paid job and their families to have a better life. Money does not grow on trees Many of these countries have corrupt leaders and governments who do not rule in the interests of the general population</i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You honestly think that the reason Javid was on a luxury holiday whilst others are risking their lives to get here from warzones and slum dwelling is that he tried hard and they're lazy?<br />Indeed money doesn't grow on trees - but the reason that some people earn more per hour than others do in a month is that injustices have made our economy, and some professions, vastly wealthier than others.</span></span></span><br />
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Indeed, there are plenty of people who call themselves Christians yet aren't actually following Christ. It's odd that so many others consider those hypocrites (who call themselves Christians but aren't following Christ) as a reason to ignore Jesus.</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - but that doesn't mean that gay people are to be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.<br />Please note – many people who’ve called themselves Christians aren’t actually following Christ; Jesus was consistently peaceful and compassionate.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">No where in the Bible does it refer to homosexual relationships. Try looking at Tony Campolo or Steve Chalk for examples of ministers who support same sex relationships....</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">It refers to men having sex with men, in the old and new testaments.<br />The reality is, we don't need sex to enjoy life - at least, not when we have the joy that a relationship with God can provide. There are plenty who can testify to this, Sam Allberry, Rosaria Butterfield and David Bennett are just a few with particularly awesome testimonies of being gay but leaving gay sex behind and loving life. (I'm also celibate, though straight, and not missing out).<br />I'm well of Tony Campolo or Steve Chalk.<br />My point was not to argue about homosexuality - my point was that the man in the photo with a plaquard s not behaving as Jesus would.</span></span></span><br />
<i>but we have already established that the instruction in the Bible was not specifically about gay relationships/sexuality.....That's an interpretation you and others have made... I am a Christian but do not agree with that interpretation, along with many other Christians and Christian leaders......it is a matter that divides in the church...we must be open about this otherwise people might think all Christians think as you do. I would encourage you to look at the Jayne Ozanne foundation to appreciate a different view.<br /><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">How/what exactly have we supposedly established?<br />Of course I'm familiar with Jayne Ozanne.<br />What's agonising is that our culture worships sex, and so presumes it absurd to suggest that anyone could be happy without it, and is oblivious to the joy of knowing God which more than compensates. https://www.faithwire.com/.../gay-christian-provides.../...<br />"We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea.” C.S. Lewis,<br />I desperately wish that more people would explore Jesus, and not ignore Him on the basis of comparatively unimportant issues like this.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm pretty sure vanity is a sin too, one look at your profile shows you for the hypocrite you are.<br />If following a deity works for you then fair enough, but the majority in this country are not religious so telling us we are sinners is ignorant and judgemental. But then why should so called 'Christians' change the habit of a lifetime.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">What exactly is hypocritical about my profile? I had to do several photo shoots 8 years ago for work and still use those photos, I hate my face too much to take more.<br />You say that "telling us we are sinners is ignorant and judgemental" - what is it you think sin is?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I don't believe in sin, I believe in what's morally wrong and right. You may get your kicks from a book of fairy tales but don't you dare try and tell people they are living in sin because of it. If you want to be celibate then that is your prerogative, but others have the right to enjoy sex. You do your thing and let them do their thing.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You didn't answer - as to what you think sin is - even if you don't believe in sin, you must have some opinion about it since you're furious with me for calling gay sex sin. And if it doesn't exist, as you believe, why does it matter?<br />Why do you think that the Bible is "fairy tales"?</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>It also says love thy neighbour but it seems Grace Dalton only cherry picks those things she agrees with.Love is never wrong and quite frankly neither is sex between consenting adults</i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm well aware that it says love thy neighbour - my comment isn't hateful. I mentioned that the Bible says that people shouldn't have gay sex - that doesn't mean that those who do are any less precious than any other human being. I specifically said that it's wrong to harass people, the whole point of my comment was that bullying is unChristlike. All I did was to say that God has said that a particular thing shouldn't ne done. If a child had a sibling who was doing something that their dad (WHO knows far better than they do) had said they shouldn't do, it wouldn't be unloving for that child to tell their sibling what their dad had said.</span></span></span><br />
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This (abuse) is so, so, so antithetical to what Jesus taught. The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - but [I commented as for above headline]</div>
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<i>where specifically in the bible does it say that people should not have gay sex?</i></div>
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I could quote the verses, but added explanation is helpful; try this - http://www.livingout.org/the-bible-and-ssa</div>
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<i>I want the specific book, chapter and verse and not in an altered version bible, but original text.</i></div>
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Original text, as in Hebrew/Greek? What do you consider altered about the verses in the article to which I linked? What Bible do you use?</div>
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<i>I think that what you shared is not original but someone's translation. I also believe from what you wrote and the text that you shared both are judgmental.</i></div>
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Again - what translation do you use? We all use translations if we aren't using Hebrew/Greek, but those translations are carefully developed by teams of scholars to ensure reliability. Still, obviously, we can compare different translations - but they still give the same message about homosexuality.<br />
What exactly have I written or shared that's judgmental?<br />
Do you not see my original point?</div>
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<i>These are the only two verses in the entire bible that explicitly deal with homosexuality and they are both part of what’s called the ‘Holiness Code’ from Leviticus 17-26. The holiness codes outlaw a lot of things, like wearing garments of two fibers such as cotton socks and a wool sweater, eating shellfish, getting a tattoo, or working on Sunday. Leviticus also calls for the death of those who commit adultery, or brides who on their wedding night are discovered not to be virgins, or even disrespectful teenagers. There are all sorts of violations that we overlook now because times have changed and what is seen as an abomination has also changed. </i></div>
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Things like not mixing fabrics refer specifically to pagan customs of neighbouring tribes at the time, and thus are not relevant now, as made clear by numerous verses in the NT. Sex, however, is a timeless human choice, not a cultural phenomenon, so the OT's command to avoid it still stands - and this is made clear by Paul in the NT. Why not look at the article I linked to?</div>
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<i>I did read the article you linked to. My post still stands. Tattoos are a timeless human choice. Eating shellfish is a timeless human choice. Non-virgins getting married is a timeless human choice. You shouldn’t pick and choose which specific passages you believe should be adhered to and others ignored.</i></div>
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No, the word tattoo didn't exist, the phrase was markings on the skin for the dead, and they were prohibited because it was pagan ancestor worship. Eating shellfish would have been extremely dangerous because of food poisoning, but people at the time didn't understand that, so it would make sense for God ban shellfish for the sake of peoples' health. And as I said, teachings about sexuality are reaffirmed in the NT.</div>
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<i>regardless as to how tattoos, eating shellfish, etc. were thought of in the past, they are accepted now. You either accept it all or deny it all. You seem to choose just what fits your personal beliefs and ignore what you dont like.</i></div>
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"regardless"? You're simply ignoring the explanation because you dislike it. There are many situations in which some rules are kept whilst others aren't. When I entered the sixth form, I no longer had to follow school uniform rules - that didn't mean that it would suddenly be OK to stand on the desks. There's no logic in "You either accept it all or deny it all."<br />
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Because we expect the state to pay when we need bariatric surgery, diabetes medication, and the myriad of other medical treatments that obesity leads to.<br />
Corporations have been exploiting the population, normalising eating more than is good for us so that they profit whilst people suffer. The government's plans won't stop anyone eating what they want, they'll just make it harder for food retailers to take advantage of people.<br />
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We're all overindulging this week - let's remember how stupendously lucky we are.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/archbishopofcanterbury/posts/1945069235547213?comment_id=1953631544690982" target="_blank">Highlights from this year; Bishop Michael Curry preaching the revolutionary love of Jesus Christ </a></div>
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It was great, truly - but I'm not sure if there was a huge amount of emphasis on the "revolutionary love of Jesus Christ. Jesus' love is not only to care about others and social justice, as invaluable as those are, but that He willingly died to offer us The Way to God, though we are undeserving and stained by sin. The message of social justice and compassion is monumental and indeed in need of far, far more attention - but we aren't loving our neighbour if we fail to share Jesus' ultimate message with them.</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Love is love and the same reason Jesus Christ laid down his precious life on the cross of cavalry was because of his love for you and me.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"love is love"? Meaning what? The original Hebrew/Greek Bible texts have several different varieties of "love" described. Love between 2 people in a sexual relationship is extremely distinct from the love Jesus has for humanity. Love of a football team, love of a parent for their child, and love for the poor who we help, are each again entirely distinct.<br />How do you understand Jesus' love?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The Bible termed it "love". If it's real in your heart, then it's real love cos the Bible did not give us various forms of it.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">No, the Bible termed different types of love with differing names, and in our English translation, just one word is used because the English language isn't broad enough. Seriously, "love" is not homogenous - you know that love between sexual partners is distinctly different than from the love between a parent and child, or between friends, or the love a person might have for a thing or cause. The love of Christ is different again - He sacrificed Himself for us though we deserve punishment.</span></span></span><br />
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We all know that it wasn't the 25th of December, and obviously, His name might have been pronounced differently in Aramaic. But there's a good case to support the Gospel's historicity - yet it's a huge, complex field - why would we believe the opinion of the Telegraph over the many different historians whose views we can explore and weigh up online already?<br />
For example - https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection</div>
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<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YtKX1TIyOFo/XEvBgb4yomI/AAAAAAAAAoM/ucOAh7QvreU9wXMQ4AD78WQFJnv0h9m8ACLcBGAs/s1600/wai-siew-1208624-unsplash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1068" data-original-width="1600" height="213" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YtKX1TIyOFo/XEvBgb4yomI/AAAAAAAAAoM/ucOAh7QvreU9wXMQ4AD78WQFJnv0h9m8ACLcBGAs/s320/wai-siew-1208624-unsplash.jpg" width="320" /></a><i>My (pretty limited) understanding was that they weren't written down until around 100 AD. Plus they are contradictory! They certainly have historical inaccuracies, such as there being no census, the plot device to get them to Bethlehem!</i></div>
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As I said, this is a hugely complex topic - but, in short, the Gospels were written (initially, they were spread by oral tradition, which was a specific skill and custom at time) onwards from around 60AD, not 100AD, and some other New Testament books are suspected to have been written sooner. The "contradictions" are minor and can be explained, such as by exploration or turns of phrase from the time.</div>
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<i>There is nothing to to support the Gospel's historicity, only that communities of believers formed and eventually became the Catholic Church, amid a plethora of 'Gospels' in circulation. .The only historical records merely record what the Christians had been claiming about Jesus. No first hand accounts of anything that Jesus said or did, or of His fate. Just as no one witnessed how Muhammad pbuh came to be able to recite what was subsequently two centuries later recorded as the Quran.</i></div>
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Why would you ignore statements from Christians automatically? If Jesus truly rose, most people who chose to write about it would also believe, and thus become Christians. Would you refuse evidence that the Earth is not flat from people who themselves aren't flat Earthers? Would you only believe testimonies about a place from people who weren't from that place? It's not like a company or political party where members stand to profit from their organisation's success such that they'll be biased and potentially inaccurate.<br />
Yet, there are pieces of supporting evidence from historians the time who observed parts of theGospel events, eg https://probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non.../</div>
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<i>The most reliable source is our common sense. If we use our common sense, we would agree that people at that time were very likely to exaggerate. His followers were greatly disturbed by his death. People in OUR DAY keep on claiming that "Elvis is alive", how hard it is to imagine people in the 1st century AD to claim that "Jesus is alive"? Perhaps they have seen someone similar. Perhaps they have not found his body where it was supposed to be. Rumors started that he "is alive". Naturally, the power of his teaching combined with this story of "resurrection" was enough to sufficiently impress contemporaries in order for them to create a record of what happened - "New Testament". How reliable is it? Common sense tells us, that it is full of exaggerations. After all, it claims that Jesus repeatedly violated the laws of physics, and, as we now know, this is literally impossible. Again, it is understandable, since people at the time did not know what the laws of physics are, believed in miracles, and the record itself was meant to impress and to gain new followers, not to "establish the facts". Hence if we want to use common sense, we must agree that:<br />1. Jesus was a very interesting person<br />2. He died a very tragic death<br />3. That gave rise to speculations and exaggerations, recorded in what we know as "New Testament"<br />But, of course, if we want to be deceived, we can convince ourselves that it is "true", and since there is no way to check it, we can remain in this self-deception forever. Fair enough, I suppose.</i></div>
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A few people claim that Elvis is alive - and they aren't believed because they're people who are otherwise evidently confused, who've not been in the vicinity of Elvis, and whose stories don't add up (with each other). Jesus was witnessed resurrected by crowds, and their testimonies were believable enough to convince others, and thousands of people suffered and died for holding to their beliefs.</div>
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<i>There's over 2,500 Gods throughout the different religions... but of course yours is the real one! lol.</i></div>
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No - I believe in the existence of one God, on the basis of inexplicable complexity and interdependence in physics and biology, I didn't simply pick a god from a selection.<br />
Separately, having looked at arguments on both sides for years, I've reached the conclusion that Jesus did, absurd as it seems to our limited minds, rise from death. I won't expect you to take me remotely seriously, because as I've said, it's only after much reading and many lectures that I've reached this conclusion and I can't convince that into a Facebook comment to present to you. Because Jesus declared that He is The Way to The Father (God) and eternal life, then proved Himself, I follow Him; and I and countless other people (many, many times more than for any other "god") have experienced that choosing to accept Him leads to unmatched inner peace.<br />
The other "gods" you're referring to are based on ideas that people in differing cultures had about how what hey saw around them might have come about - Christianity, by contrast, is based on the calculation of a creator, and historical events regarding Jesus.</div>
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<i>Of course I accept evidence from Christian witnesses, such as what probably happened at the Council of Chalcedon. But there are no witnesses to Jesus. All of these well known references to Jesus have been written incidentally by Chroniclers not even based in the Holy Land, just repeating what Christians believed about Jesus. Your link to the the internet site Probe shows how dangerous you are. In its founders page it features 'Kerby Anderson (who) provides various perspectives on the link between Islam and terrorism, including how Americans and Christians can think about its encroachment on our culture'. You do not keep good company.</i></div>
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What evidence do you have that "All of these well known references to Jesus have been written incidentally by Chroniclers not even based in the Holy Land"?<br />
I don't "keep company" with Probe, the site simply has a useful summary of info relevant to the discussion - and did you even read it?<br />
How on Earth am I "dangerous"?</div>
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<i>The fact that a lot of people believe something is irrelevant. A lot of people believe in Islam. A lot of believe in Hinduism, a lot of people believed in a lot of other stuff. So are they also correct? Your “but lots people believe it now, so it must be true” argument is stupid.</i></div>
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“but lots people believe it now, so it must be true” is not my argument. What I wrote was that more people follow Christianity than anything else, but that wasn't my argument. My argument is that that's where the arguments lead.</div>
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<i>there were many writers/historians in the area around the time that Jesus is alleged to have performed his miracles; it's very revealing that none of them mentioned him at all.<br />Btw do you believe that Noah's ark is a true story - that a 600 year old man built an enormous boat to house and feed ALL those animals for a year??</i> </div>
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Who are those "many writers/historians"?<br />
BTW Noah's ark was afloat for 40days, not a year, and he needn't have had anything comparable to the number of animal species that exist today, since those have developed through microevolution since Noah. It's very plausible that the "world" flooded was the known world to the writer at the time, not necessarily the globe. And are you aware of the evidence of a flood from other cultures, supporting the notion that one indeed took place and that future people groups descended from Noah's family? It's also plausible that the story is an allegory - in reality, it's not something I have strong views on because what matters is Jesus.</div>
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<i>does it not bother you that the whole 'gods son in mortal form-killed by people-resurrected and ascends to the heavens- is a story line recorded in multiple religions predating the Jesus myth?<br />The architects of the Christian church picked a well tried formula.</i></div>
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Which multiple religions? A lot of people make that claim, in fact Christianity is distinct from myths, and there are plenty of explanations of this to read, just one example - https://jamesbishopblog.com/.../23-reasons-why-scholars.../</div>
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<i>....Gravity, mathematics and recognising the irrationality and mental health disorders related to religious belief.</i></div>
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<i>I am a philosophy Professor, I teach this stuff. I’m am well familiar with the subject not to feel any need to browse dubious “websites”. I read original arguments by St Augustine and Thomas Aquinas and their refutation by Hume and Kant. I discuss this with students in class on a regular basis. Leaving a comment on Facebook takes about 5 minutes of my time, not a huge investment</i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Indeed they had no TV or radio – thus there wasn’t fame to be gained that might inspire making up extraordinary events as there would be today. And because of the lack of media, people learned and committed to memory things that they’d seen far, far, far better than we do. As you’ll have read, and perhaps even experienced, our abundance of media and technology today mean that we don’t have memory capacity as good as our grandparents, and when 200 years ago; and in Jesus’ culture, it was a specific practice that people precisely memorised and repeated records of events – oral traditions. In a culture where only some would read, whilst Christians thought that Jesus would return soon, there was initially no urgency in creating a documentation of events. When the Gospels were written, they were the first accounts which survived – that doesn’t mean that no stories appeared until years after the fact. The gap between the events and writing was far, far less than that of other history of millennia ago. <br />Still, this conversation is futile, I wouldn’t be convinced by the few naff comments I’ve made – this is far too big a topic for this thread.<br />What are your thoughts on the book Who Moved the Stone?<br />Kudos on your philosophy credentials – but why should that mean that you ignore the work of other scholars? Obviously, Kant’s ideas have not settled anything, others highlighted issues with his reasoning, eg <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.catholicapologetics.info%2Fcatholicteaching%2Fphilosophy%2Fkant.htm%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR30tkHth33i-YD3Mlen8tYjA33AymKV4xrqGXNReBJ3uxqYe9Y2frt6qcI&h=AT38lm2ofzRjiPIgK9XNKIW3QC5qvSjNGh2BHDAoOG1f_2CNS7f6dzij57TAPp9Et9z2yD5R3OJs7eDxGluKuWuAZjILWEvz3kcuTQVaNjhJaRLvx6MlwfSTSqxIo2cVWM4R" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.catholicapologetics.info/.../philosophy/kant.htm</a><br />- And there are numerous arguments for God’s existence aside from Aquinas’s anyway, as you know. But we could be here until next Christmas discussing them, and I’m sure that, like me, you have other things to do <span class="_5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_6qdm" style="background-image: url("https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t4c/1/16/1f642.png"); font-size: 16px; height: 16px; width: 16px;">:) </span></span>- <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Day_Db4RwZ_M%26fbclid%3DIwAR11QBC2nwtEkHZBoHDY3v-U80URxE0JtK_t1I02hIFIPAitGJkvM6tp-To&h=AT3vThWU0nAjriC8AWChffwz5tlFC6RZZAvHu08735nMWsFgvbRzfIY3eibjU4j7mGLvak6qizcdcWD-Gw47cunOUfzUDhLa5HcQ7aG5zFVxH7vlCaxtlASQ4IBuKhDGztir" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay_Db4RwZ_M</a></span></span></span></div>
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"Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ " Matthew 22:38<br />
I don't think that Jesus would approve of quite how lavish some Churches are. Nor certain other aspects of the institutions. Those flaws shouldn't deter people from Christ Himself.</div>
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<i>he certainly wouldn’t have approved with the mass covering up of child sex abuse either..</i></div>
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Obviously He's more furious about it than we regular humans are even capable of being. Which is why it seems odd that so many people cite the scandal as a reason for rejecting Him.<br />
<i>so furious there are no consequences for those those that do, but eternal damnation for the poor victims of said rape who then commit suicide unable to cope with the emotions?</i><br />
Who told you that? The Bible doesn't say that suicide is a sin. If a "Christian" told you that it is, they're extrapolating dangerously; ie, they're presuming that because God created life and tells us not to murder, it must also be sinful for a person to kill themselves, but there's no clear statement of this point itself in the Bible, and to call suicide a sin is obviously unhelpful and insensitive.<br />
We all sin in other ways, however - but we're all offered forgiveness through Christ. IF we genuinely take up Jesus' offer, we'll naturally want to become better, and He'll help us to become more and more compassionate. Those who've abused children have demonstrated that, although they call themselves Christians, they weren't in fact following Christ at all. And yes, they'll face consequences - though I don't think that the Bible actually indicates that Hell keeps people suffering eternally (fire burns things up) but it's a debated subject amongst Christians.<br />
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There are people in our world living in slums, lacking healthcare and even clean water. Holiday costs really, really do not matter. Seriously, we should be using our campaigning energy to urge politicians to make trade fairer, tackle modern slavery better and improve aid, not bicker about potential consequences for us that won't stop us from continuing to live more comfortably than almost everyone in human history.<br />
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<i>what a load of absolute nonsense that could only come from those posh private schoolboys behind Brexit Farage, Rees-Mogg: try to convince people that by damaging our economic prospects it's somehow for the greater good (easy for those posh twits who won't be impacted by Brexit to say that), as if destroying something in an economy somehow allows something else to grow instead.</i></div>
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So you're accusing me of being posh private schoolboy, and you think that just because I'm not super pro EU I must want to cut foreign aid? Where's the logic? You honestly think that you can win an argument by telling someone else what they believe based on the stereotypes in your own mind?<br />
Helping people in developing countries matters more to me than anything else in politics. It's driving me nuts that so many people - leave and remain - seems only concerned about themselves. Often Remain seems to presume that it's more compassionate and cares more about social justice - yet holidays apparently matter more than tackling starvation, and even climate change.</div>
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<i>Can you point me to where in the article it says that holidays matter more than tackling starvation?</i></div>
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I didn't say that it did, but the fact that there's plenty of discussion about the issue, and virtually none in the media about issues causing severe suffering for scores of people, gives the impression that our culture, even Remainers who consider themselves socially aware, cares far more about holidays.<br />
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Congratulations are given when someone earns or wins something, the word isn't used for Christmas. Christmas is about all of humanity beiing offered something (Jesus); not some people acheiving something.<br />
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Christians? There's nothing in Christianity that suggests that the specific site of a prayer matters - what does matter is that a person's heart truly seeks God. Thus, we can pray anywhere. Jesus was enraged by money being used to try to win God's favour.</div>
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It always astonishes me how many people make comments like "God is not real" as though they've just made some interesting or compelling argument. Why not present some persuasive rationale to support your point? How much have you examined the arguments made by Christian scholars, historians and philosophers as to why they've concluded that God does exist? Or are you just presuming that He's not real, since He's not comprised of the matter that our senses detect, and you'd rather not believe in Him?<br />
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Jesus. Not family or giving, awesome as those things are. That Christ came to Earth to offer us a way to be forgiven and reunited with God is more significant than anything else.</div>
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Does he not just make borderline Brexiteers less able to take Remain seriously?<br />
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Kudos to Piper. I'm horrified by the pro-gun comments here, I cannot get my head around the fact that so many Americans think it normal to own guns, especially those who consider themselves to be followers of Christ.<br />
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Regardless of race, we all need to stop "aspiring" to be crazy rich. It's because of this materialism that there's such disparity of wealth distribution in our world, and billions of people are far, far poorer than we privileged Westerners have ever experienced.<br />
And ultimately, being rich doesn't bring happiness, as we all know, so it seems odd that there's been so much praise of Crazy Rich Asians - but Vox, I presume, s getting paid for it, since you've been posting about it insanely often (why have you started AGAIN?)<br />
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Great - but it seems odd to me that anyone twisted enough to defy God as such "priests" have would do what a mere human tells them.<br />
There aren't words for how furious this abuse scandal makes God - it's absurd that so many non-Chrstans quote the scandal as a reason for ignoring God.<br />
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Nah. I really have no idea how some of these could "restore faith in humanity" - in particular, the giant phallus sculpture. Seriously, why on Earth would anyone find that inspiring? I find it genuinely depressing that so many people reduce humanity to genitals.<br />
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But there are plenty of real homeless people in desperate need - we mustn't let them miss out on donations that they would have received otherwise because of scammers. if we give to homeless person who in fact is a fake, it won't affect us (and we'd still enjoy the feeling of having done a good deed); if we don't give to a homeless person because we think that they might e a fake and in fact they're genuinely homeless, it could mean that they're hungry for the day.<br />
Because of the risk to them of being lured to buy alcohol or drugs, I think that it's probably better to give food/drink/toiletries, and ideally ask them what they'd like - but we shouldn't ignore them on the basis of fakes.<br />
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Why spend £120 on a ticket for anything? It's almost enough for a television license for a year, which provides plenty of entertainment.<br />
And it's so, so ironic - the show is "Nativity" - ie about the film in which children put on a performance, demonstrating that there's joy in imperfect, inexpensive performances - we don't need West end stage shows that cost enough to educate a child in a developing country for a year.<br />
And the events that children re-enact in nativity plays are incomparably more exciting and long lasting than any stage show.<br />
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Sorry, but I don't see how it's OK - let alone in any way admirable - to spend on a pair of shoes an amount that could sponsor 10 children for a year.</div>
<i>She's allowed to spend HER money on herself. She has a lot of charitable causes that she supports, what does Melania do? Besides struggle with English and copy Michelle? As a matter of fact, what do YOU do? Were you also complaining about her bearing her arms? Dumbass</i></div>
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"what do [I] do?" - shall I list all of the charity donations I make? Why are you assuming that I do nothing? Frick, of course I was never one the people complaining about her arms.</div>
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<i>Whether or not you see how its ok is irrelevant, the woman raises funds for charity and earned her money from books and appearances. She can spend her money on whatever the fuck she wants whether or not you're ok with it. You wanna bitch and whine no one is stopping you from sponsoring kids</i></div>
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I know she can. I'm simply expressing an opinion, as we all do here, since Vice seems to think the expenditure heroic.</div>
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It sickens me that priority will be given to those on high salaries. Individuals fortunate enough to have had training and opportunities that enable a highly paid job could have an enjoyable life where they are, and where people with their training are needed - we should instead be letting in those for whom life in their home nations is unbearable. We should be letting in refugees, and those from the most impoverished places, who desperately need to come here for a chance to earn a living in safety; not nicking other nations' doctors.</div>
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<i>If people have no contribution to make to our economy or services they shouldn't be allowed in. They'll stretch our services further giving nothing back in return. I think more emphasis needs to be given to our own people, like the 1000s homeless children or those living in poverty. Charity begins at home </i></div>
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"charity begins at home" according to who? It's not a fact or logical argument, it's just an endlessly repeated slogan attempting to justify devaluing people from elsewhere. But they're every bit as human as us - they don't deserve to be bombed; raped by jihadists; forced to work every waking hour and still struggle to eat. And why do you presume that they'll give nothing in return? They work and pay taxes no less than those of us lucky enough to have been born here.<br />
For centuries, we've been taking from their nations, and that's why our country is so much wealthier than theirs that they're literally dying to come here.</div>
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<i>Australia have the exact same process , it's about the UK not being abused by everyone anymore.</i></div>
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The UK became rich by abusing other nations for centuries. And with the government's acceptance, our corporations still are - https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...<br />
We - Brits - don't suffer "abuse"; people in warzones, sweatshops and plantations do.<br />
<i>Stop talking codswallop. We all have the opportunity while at school to improve our chances in life. You get nothing for nothing in this world. Work hard, save & prosper is the way forward in life. Sit on benefits all your life & you will have nothing, that is the way civilisation works. Even in the jungle, if you don't go out hunting then you will not eat, don't go to the river for water, you will not drink. That is unless you are a sponger on your fellow human beings.</i><br />
What are you talking about? People born into severe poverty don't have opportunities, plenty don't even get to go to school as you mentioned.<br />
<i>What a snowflake. Open your eyes as to what is going on around you. Living in the capitol where crime of all types has escalated We are being overun with migrants. A refugee is someone who flees their country in fear of their lives and take refuge in the next safe haven, once the leave that safe haven and travel further afield they become immigrants and to be quite frank we have plenty of those here already. We give aid to many countries including billions to India, they have their own space program while large numbers of their citizens live in poverty makes sense huh?</i><br />
What are you saying about "living in the capitol" (it's capital, BTW) - I've been in London my whole life. Crime is not correlated to migration. Foreign Aid is 0.7% of our GDP - absolutely miniscule. And though some aid is misspent (as is always the case with our government's spending), it doesn't get handed over to governments to use on space programmes, it's used to fund schools, water systems and clinics.<br />
<i>being skilled doesn’t mean you have or come from a high salaried family. What an odd assumption</i><br />
The government plans to let in only those with a salary of over £30,000; I wasn't making an assumption.<br />
<i>money might not be given specifically to pay for space programmes, but why are we even giving money to countries with a space programme in the first place? £700 mil was spent improving roads in 1 country. £25000 was used to train A girl band, which was supposed to teach young women how to have more respect for themselves. Now £25 k isn't much, but it could be spent A lot better to achieve the same goal. The fact foreign aid money is being spent on anything other than aid is simply wasted.<br />Using 0.7% Of GDP on it is fine, but that money should be used to help those in crisis. It shouldn't be a target to be spent regardless. When the Caribbean was devastated by hurricanes the foreign aid budget wasn't allowed to be used, yet that's exactly what it's there for.</i><br />
It's not the fault of people living (and dying) in slums in India if their government has a space programme. Ultimately, our country grossly exploited India, the aid that we give is nothing by comparison.<br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">yawn it was only us then with history? We are talking now the past is gone dear</span></span></span></i><br />
<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cxLmgXpN50c/XEvSXs0OMEI/AAAAAAAAAo8/0Hojv7RrVhE8JYyHLxKahkN4ab-foPUMACLcBGAs/s1600/14855151926_76dea20164_b.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="694" data-original-width="1024" height="216" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cxLmgXpN50c/XEvSXs0OMEI/AAAAAAAAAo8/0Hojv7RrVhE8JYyHLxKahkN4ab-foPUMACLcBGAs/s320/14855151926_76dea20164_b.jpg" width="320" /></a>No, the past isn't simply gone - the world's impoverished nations are still poor because nations like ours stripped them of their natural resources; made it impossible to develop the infrastructure, services and governance we have; and left the most brutal individuals in control. Now, multinational corporations continue to rob developing countries, by stealing land; grossly exploiting workers who provide things we buy; and cheating financially (through misinvoicing and tax evasion)<br />
<i>Tax evasion is a criminal offence; tax avoidance is a legal way, open to anybody, of reducing the tax you pay. One of the main ways to avoid paying tax is to donate to charity - you can do it in a roundabout way by giving your old clothes to your local charity shop. In order to save around £25 on </i><br />
<i>your annual tax bill, you would have to declare (and prove) that you had directly donated £100 to a registered charity. However, by using gift-aid, any charitable organisation can claim back the tax on what you pay for entry or donate to their shops. Either way, the IR loses. </i><br />
What are you referring to when you mention school being legislated? My original comment was arguing that we should prioritise letting in the people who are so underprivileged that they're missing out on schooling - such as those with no schools nearby; those whose schools have been bombed; those disallowed from attending school because their parents can't afford uniform; those forced to skip school to carry water or work.<br />
<i>we have enough here unskilled whom we have to keep, re-educate house and feed...they should take jobs as they already live here.. there is no room for more.. and if we need certain skills then it they who should have first call.</i><br />
"enough"? There's no "enough", this is about the needs of people dying in conflict. There are human beings who don't have enough food, water or security. Our problems don't compare.<br />
<i>No we shouldn't. Life is getting more and more unbearable for pre existing Londoners who have lived here for generations. Genuine refugees, if let in at all should be sent to the Shetlands or sent home. London is full. No wonder pre existing locals can't afford London properties, their wages are being driven down by unlimited immigratinin the name of a principle. Time to stop that in its tracks. Bring on a New Zealand style points system, PDQ. It works for the Kiwis, they have life chances to die for.</i><br />
"unbearable for Londoners...refugees should be sent home"? Seriously? Are you unaware that refugees are refugees because they've fled war and terrorism? THAT is unbearable. I'm well aware that house prices here are insane, and Ill never be able to buy ahouse, but life is incomparably etter than it is for refugees. I didn't mean, by my comment, that migrants should come to London, I was referring to the nation as a whole. But house prices in London that you're concerned about are worsened by high salaried incomers, so as I said, the government iswrong to give them priority; and it's concerning that you're so uncomfortable with refugees that you want them packed off to the Shetlands.<br />
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So far as I can see, there are a fair few people who mistakenly call themselves evangelicals whilst not actually following Jesus.</div>
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Why buy from Prada anyway? (though indeed, this^ is despicable-beyond-words enough to boycott) Because of the oppression of colonialism, there are human beings in severe poverty, who will get no Christmas presents and have to wear our charity shop rejects, never mind designer labels. So why would we want to buy unnecessarily expensive fashion when we could buy cheaper things, or things from charity shops, and use the price difference to help those in poverty?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="async" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lgbtqnation.com%2F2018%2F12%2Fvideo-game-will-allow-play-jesus-trump-hitler-win-shooting-lgbtq-people%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1sx1NUr8AgdlRFYS2UPLQm0d-04psD9-gMoWy2hWIFmvYzpPSReL62MK8&h=AT3hHCV-_XeN_QvU0xRQvfdjcBMA2b8GXmj4N-t_AeDPJMiqZiQVpYbGfHDee3NEuE6sgE5iWs-qiabIZRtjoQDlJITUAweQNgxxuNXAaq9IpT4RtL8bP0Vv5U3D_b5xtHY3IoglXXu_Ws5hFRw" href="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/12/video-game-will-allow-play-jesus-trump-hitler-win-shooting-lgbtq-people/?fbclid=IwAR1sx1NUr8AgdlRFYS2UPLQm0d-04psD9-gMoWy2hWIFmvYzpPSReL62MK8" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">A video game lets you play as Jesus, Trump or Hitler. You win by shooting LGBTQ people.</span></a><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Jesus told us to love others, and stopped a woman caught in sexual sin from being killed. This^ game is thus incredibly unintelligent, as well as evil.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">you have obviously never read the bible. Jesus literally said he came to bring the sword</span></span></span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">LOL, of course I know that verse. Have you never heard someone talk about being driven up the wall with frustation, something being a sinking ship, a ray of sunshine etc? We use non literal, figurative language, why don't you think Jesus could have done? <br />His other commands make it abundantly clear that He was opposed to violence.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hi I’m a pastor and he even told people to sell their cloaks to buy a sword... he did support violence when it was needed. There are several moments where he himself, was violent.</span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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He specifically told His disciple that no one should use a sword. It would have been necessary at that point to carry one for practical purposes (such as cutting through tangled fish nets) and to ward off attackers.<br />
And He was not violent - turning over tables in temple was not violent, tables are inanimate objects. If He'd thrown things at the traders, then it would have been violence, but He didn't.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/vicenews/videos/577602339364939/"><span class="fwb">What Is The Future Of Evangelicals?: VICE on HBO</span></a></div>
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Evangelicalism is to want to tell people the Good News - ie. about Jesus. People calling themselves evangelicals doesn't mean that they are. When you associate evangelicalism with white superiority and Trumpism, you've based your view on people who aren't actually following Christ at all, so they're not genuinely evangelical. Matt Chandler is awesome (and often entertaiining), try some of his talks.<br />
Jesus is who actually matters, not the tribal labels that are constantly debated.<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why does jesus matter? He doesn't mean shit to me and he was the leader of the biggest cult in history.</span></span></span></i></div>
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Jesus made it clear that everyone is loved and should be welcomed - He also told us that to love God is the paramount command, so we should support God's design rather than "celebrate" someone rejecting it.<br />
Churches should certainly be loving toward trans people an no bullying is ever OK -but to actually offer celebratory services because someone believes that God made a mistake isn't actually lov<span class="text_exposed_show">ing.<br />There are a minority of intersex people - otherwise, male is to have XY chromosomes and female is to have XX chromosomes, by definition. If a person feels they're "in the wrong body", what they're uncomfortable with is the stereotype they feel is associated with their chromosomes. But they're a priceless, unique individual, and don't have to adhere to a stereotype they resent - becoming the opposing stereotype, and having their bodies changed is not something others should "celebrate". We should love them whatever, but hope that they can accept their bodies as God made them - and that they can focus instead on the array of traits and skills that make them who they are.</span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">Diabetes makes it impossible for a person to live normally. Having a body that half of the rest of humanity doesn't. If a person feels uncomfortable with the body God gave them, those feelings should be helped - the person shouldn't be operated on to give them a body entirely different from God's plan. As the word dysphoria indicates, the person is afflicted with erroneous thoughts - and we all have thoughts that we need God's help to overcome.</span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Have you asked Him? Seriously, sometimes we understand things better when we pray. Why would you expect understand God if you ignore Him?<br />God is incomparably more knowledgeable than we are, yet we frequently presume that just because we don't know the reason that God allows something, there is no reason, and we're like toddlers angry with their parents for taking them for vaccinations. A parent will do/allow many things that their toddler might not like at the time; in the same way, God can have reasons that we don't understand now. The gap between our knowledge and God's is many magnitudes wider than that between a child and their father. Ultimately, God wants us to choose to follow Him, so that we'll spend eternity with Him in heaven. That is infinitely more significant than the brief time we spend on Earth. The tragedies of life are, for many of us, what we need to be prompted to seek Him. When life is perfect, we ignore God, and will miss out on heaven. When we seek God in difficult times, He gives amazing comfort, and we can find eternal life.I'm fairly sure that many women would consider your comments about females being bitchy having pricked a finger darning tights, being on periods etc to be sexist. But I have more important things to worry about. God refers to Himself as aHe, why wouldn't I refer to Him as a He too? <br />Since you're intellectually superior, why not explain what's wrong about what I've written and what you know to be right instead?</span></span></span><i><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></i></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">That's why sikh women don't shave (even their faces). I don't think it's on the whole a Christian teaching that you have to accept your body exactly as it is. I'm certainly not aware of Christians being against surgery, whether to correct birth defects or for any other reason. The only bit of this I don't get is why gender should matter at all. It's biblical that we're made diverse, but churches should welcome people because they're human and gender however it's defined really doesn't make much difference.</span></i></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">Intersex people have marked genetic distinctions. When did I say that trans people are "in rebellion"? We've all been in rebellion (Romans 3:23), and are called to turn to God.<br />How exactly have I shown prejudice?</span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">I am certainly not advocating rejeting trans people, I specifically said that they should be welcomed - why are you putting words in my mouth?<br />What I'm opposed to is affirming the idea that they are "born in the wrong body" and celebrating them deciding to chop up what God's made because they feel uncomfortable with it. We should be desperately hoping and praying that they can come to be happy with themselves - what they are created as, that the longing to be in a different body would end. Whatever they end up doing, they should be welcomed - but the transition should not be "celebrated".</span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show"></span><i>how you are going to be able to tell the difference between intersex people (who are acceptable to you) and trans people (who are not). And what evidence you have that trans people are rejecting God's design. how you are going to be able to tell the difference between intersex people (who are acceptable to you) and trans people (who are not). And what evidence you have that trans people are rejecting God's design.</i></div>
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Trans is to reject God's design because it is to say that one is male when God has created the with XX chromosomes or that one is female when God has created them with XY chromosomes. God has made each person unique, and they shouldn't feel that they need to ascribe to stereotypes they don't feel comfortable with, but trans is by definition to reject something God designed and seek to be something else. I'm not judging them for that, I'm saying that it's sad and that the Church shouldn't celebrate it.<span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">shaving your legs is an attempt to make you into someone different to who God created. As is Botox, breast implants, liposuction- and actually to an extent surgery to remove birth defects.<br />If “God doesn’t make mistakes” then I was designed to be visually impaired, that was God’s divine will for my life and the cataracts surgery made me something other than what He created.</span></i></div>
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LOL, no, people have celebrated during winter to cheer themselves up throughout history - hence Yule. Church leaders decided that it would make sense to celebrate Jesus' birth then, since people were used to celebrating at that tie of year anyway, and because they wanted to deter people from partaking in occult celebrations.</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">the great flood and Noah's ark is just lifted directly from The epic of Gilgamesh. But you know that right? It's all just embellished history. Which is pronounced: Lies</span></span></span></i> </div>
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She's from a dance troupe. She's not just a singer or actress who's done some dancing, she's from a group that started off specifically in dance (then later sold some discs). She's also been a judge on other dance competition shows.<br />
I really, really hope that Stacey's screen presence through Strictly will inspire some people who hadn't already to watch her documentaries - ultimately, Strictly's fun but it's entirely unimportant compared to the sweatshop issue that Stacey investigated at the start of her TV career.<br />
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Surely there's more happiness in buying cheaper things and using the money saved to help those who have nothing at all? Esp. food/drink - each Hello Fresh (mentioned in the article) meal costs enough to feed a starving child for a month. If you buy cheaper items, saving $38 monthly enables you to sponsor a child - providing medical checkups (which genuinely save lives); nutritious food; health and hygiene training; educational assistance; mentoring and more; so why buy posh things?</div>
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Enough to sponsor 5 children - born trapped in severe poverty - for the whole year. She could be transforming lives with that money, and the dog would appreciate not be constrained in costumes.</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> <i>but if shes worked for her money she can surely spend it on what she wants?</i></span></span></span><i> </i></div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">e only earn as much as we do because we live in a country that's become wealthy by exploiting other countries. People in the very poorest places work longer hours in worse conditions than we do sometimes to create things that we consume, yet receive so little pay that they live in slums and haven't healthcare, or any of the everyday non-necessities we take for granted. Just the fact that she's^ earning that money is evidence of having ha education that some children have no access to. We have the privilege of transforming their futures, so that they'll be able to support themselves and their family in the future.</span><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Africa is exceptionally rich in resources</span></span></span></i> </div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">B</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">ut those resources are under the control of brutal regimes, and/or Western corporations. <br />Normal people can't resolve their situation - places where there are valuable resources (diamonds, gold, cobalt etc) are under impossibly strong - sometimes violent control. So people born into poverty spend their lives working impossibly hard, unable to change the fact that they're paid almost nothinng. When we colonised and then left, the nastiest, most brutal individuals took over their fellow Africans, and Western multinationals also perpetuate the exploitation. And check this out - <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fglobal-development-professionals-network%2F2017%2Fjan%2F14%2Faid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1mPQ1nn_YQoBcgAERqXbfl1DPzfqc2Qzc2uQ3MgmWuulIcLUMqfrXxnOs&h=AT1uczgPrpqv_OvEI5-fJzkAwRjgndiciNkxSTB1DWJ71AGldzb3OvdNyX25qJCKBwyPsIRgsAeBfZkfgd0OMHvN9wYVLyydivwdmEHzIoS-PTYjkvglTdBgBW_ebyP2rn09" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries?fbclid=IwAR1mPQ1nn_YQoBcgAERqXbfl1DPzfqc2Qzc2uQ3MgmWuulIcLUMqfrXxnOs" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../aid-in-reverse-how-poor...</a><br />I know personally that when you've been starved long term, you become less able to function mentally and physically. That makes it harder for those in severe poverty to take any action to change things even if there were things that they could do - but they're also forced to spend much of their time doing things we take forgranted, like gathering water, and haven't had education like we have. Providing these things is enabling more people to become involved in decision making and politics, and increasingly there are leaders desperate to help their countries rather than just themselves.</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">But i have bills too like....</span></span></i></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Of course - I'm complaining about things like spending £1,500 on a dog's Christmas.</span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ms6l_o8-64M/XCA8kvI2G-I/AAAAAAAAAhs/bnQ7sWj6dLIYhQLwmjRa6G7R-DNoUsLCQCLcBGAs/s1600/10626525_10154697227140107_5107060924890383805_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="547" data-original-width="466" height="320" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ms6l_o8-64M/XCA8kvI2G-I/AAAAAAAAAhs/bnQ7sWj6dLIYhQLwmjRa6G7R-DNoUsLCQCLcBGAs/s320/10626525_10154697227140107_5107060924890383805_n.jpg" width="272" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">£1500 couldn't end poverty! If you have a problem with anyone it should be the higher class and government because last year there was a new billionaire every 3 days (or something along them lines) and they could have ended poverty 7 times over, SEVEN. Look at all these celebrities and rich families who know other rich families and celebrities and have massive platforms. They could set up a charity, put half a million into it (still be rich), advertise their charity on their massive platforms and end poverty while they still remain rich. I don't see a problem with a lady spending 1,500 on her dog. We need to stop looking at ourselves as superior beings and realise that we're the same as every other living creature on this planet. If it's okay for someone to spend £1,500 on a bag, or a ring, or on their children then it shouldn't make a difference if it's spent on a four legged child. You're pets look at you as their family, as their parents, they will protect and stay by your side when no body else is there. If you can't give them the same respect, if you can't love them like they are your own flesh and blood, then you aren't worthy of their love! They look at you as their equals and will protect you even when there's nothing to fear, why is it so bad to show your love back? Why is it crazy to love them like family when that's what they should be!</span></span></span></i></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">A dog should be cared for - but it is not comparable to a human child. "You're pets look at you as their family"? They're no where near as capable of emotion and thought as humans - we presume they are because we project our feelings onto them; they've been bred for centuries to stick wiith their owners, that doesn't mean that they have expectations that their owner wiill buy them clothes. Did you not see the news last month about a huge scientific study that found they're far less intelligent than previously thought? I'm really, really not saying that they have no mental capacity whatsoever, or that they shouldn't be looked after - but what they need to be happy is a few things to play with, food with enough protein, some attention and space to run. The £1500 isn't making the dog happier - dogs aren't going to mind if they don't have stylish clothes (or feel happier if they do) - this woman is spending money because she's treating the dog like a doll that she can accessorise.<br />A child, however, does need and appreciate the things that charities provide - enough food to grow, lessons, clean water etc.<br />I agree that rich people should do more to help the poor - you say "If it's okay for someone to spend £1,500 on a bag, or a ring", but I never said that it is. (and obviously, all of this is my opinion, I'm fully aware that people still will). But we are rich ourselves compared to the world's poorest, and only because of injustice that's made our country rich, not because we've worked harder or somehow deserve more</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></span></div>
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Frack, this is awful. And not, Duarte Dias, because he's Catholic, I'd be just as horrified if it were one of my favourite pastors. This isn't the same as a new translation - though not all translations are sufficiently true to the original either - this is to arrogantly remove Jesus' words.<br />
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No amount of decorations make Christmas anywhere near perfect. Jesus was born in an animal shelter, and there was infinitely greater wonder there than in any decorated mansion.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/videos/10156373065617672/"><span class="fwb">Bargain beauty: A toxic gamble</span></a></div>
I always use makeup bought in bulk straight from China, roughly 70p/item, and it's always been fine. Why spend £5+ each to get the same items elsewhere when there are people in poverty?<br />
There are some people with highly sensitive skin, the issue is not necessarily with the products - and traces of naff things in some "fake" makeup doesn't prove that all cheap makeup is dangerous. Have they tried r<span class="text_exposed_show">unning the same tests on expensive makeup? Why presume that all expensive makeup is perfectly safe?<br />Ultimately, if we feel compelled to spend £15 on lip gloss because of Instagram and Kardashians, we need to address that feeling, not pour money down the drain. I used to be so anxious about my makeup that my teachers sent me to a psychiatrist - and that was 12 years ago, before the social media pressure piled on, so I feel sorry for teenagers today. I still can't let myself be seen completely bare faced, but I keep makeup extremely quick and cheap (nothing at all like the makeup that kids are being taught online that they need) because I want life to be about things that matter.</span> </div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - but that doesn't mean that gay people are to be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">how are you welcoming someone of you are calling their entire identity a sin?! Smh what gives you the right?</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Se</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">x is not a person's identity. When did I say that someone's identity, sexuality or sex life is a sin? And how are you defining sin?</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">it isn’t just about sex. Sexuality impacts identity just as all aspects of human behavior impact our self concept, personality, persona, and disposition. You making the decision about another persons morality based on who they have sex with is a nefarious attempt to control others with your own personal beliefs by stigmatizing their identity. You say sex is not their identity ? Then why in your eyes are they going to hell?!</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Sex does not determine who we were are. Wee that the case, I wouldn't be here, but I'm afraid I am. There can be correlations between people's sexuality and other traits, but I was never saying that here's anything wrong those things, all I said is that the Bible tells humans not to have gay sex.<br />I'm not "making a decision" about someone else's morality, I'm simply stating something that God advised. And as I said, we ALL need, and ALL are offered forgiveness through Jesus.<br />Our society lies to us that sex defines us and is vital for enjoying life - it's not true, each person unique and loved by God, and we can have fulfilled lives without needing sex to make us whole.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">the Bible also describes how to treat slaves (yes, in the New Testament), but we don’t use those verses to justify owning human beings. Consider the cultural context and time period the Bible was written in, and the wishy-washy translation of the word “homosexual” in the original text. All of that adds up to a much less black and white perspective of homosexuality.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm well aware of the NT's references to slavery - it doesn't say that it's OK to take slaves. It was written in a society where slavery was the unquestioned norm, and it compels slave masters to treat their slaves well, contrary to other cultures at the time, and to ultimately to free them. It specifically outlaws kidnapping - so taking slaves is banned; slaves already existed, more equivalent to employees today than the slave trade's victims.<a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zachariastrust.org%2Fdoes-the-bible-condone-slavery%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2MFNrmbBdUXQR1eEjWHzyndpNjrpb5EySCAMoj08Pj-xL1gSKonbRJYFo&h=AT3UyXWqcL_h6yt9Z-JzwGzs2aNSDG0rHEGJ8-WrB2bjmlLGzPILq-82Z2BcbPXkAFDE4MykPOf-MwLuyTRpecV4aBIJRQyn0kemIPk-oNVzogliRRCBczSp7w-4BaztlB35" dir="ltr" href="https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone-slavery?fbclid=IwAR2MFNrmbBdUXQR1eEjWHzyndpNjrpb5EySCAMoj08Pj-xL1gSKonbRJYFo" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone...</a><br />That doesn't mean that we can ignore God telling humanity not to have gay sex; "slavery" which didn't mean then what it does now, is a huge social construct to manage, sex is a choice action that's the same throughout history.<br />Ultimately, Christianity doesn't condone mistreating anyone at all, it also doesn't blame anyone for feelings alone (ie. their orientation, as distinct from actions). Culture lies to us that we need sex to be happy, but in fact Jesus offers greater joy than sex - and most people are unaware.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">your argument would hold water if the claim of the Good Book was not that it was written by God......and the Bible DOES outline where to take your slaves from (neighboring lands - not Israel), how much you can beat them (to the edge of death but not kill them) and how to make them slaves for life rather than allow their term limit to end. I think you’re missing the fact that while slavery was indeed a part of that society, it didn’t have to be. The Levitical law outlines major sins such as murder and adultery down to what clothes to wear, what foods to eat, etc. And these are edicts from an allegedly omniscient god. It’s pretty logical to assume that this god could have (and should have) added the simple commandment: “thou shalt not own another human being”. Clearly these are scriptures written by men with a bronze aged world view.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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When did I claim that the Bible was written by God?<br />
The Bible doesn't say "you may beat them to the edge of death" it lays out more severe punishments if a beating is so severe as to be fatal, which is what our law does today.<br />
Today, we also have bosses and employees - how exactly do you know that what the Bible calls slavery is distinctly different?<br />
Ultimately, Jesus commands that we must love others, so to mistreat or exploit anyone is to be in opposition to God's command.</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> <i>is the Bible the Inerrant “Word of God”? If so, why does it omit the command: “thou shalt not own another human being?” .....OR perhaps morality is relative to you. Perhaps there are situations in which owning another human being is mora</i><i>lly permissible? “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.Exodus 21:20</i></span></span></span><i> </i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">To answer your last question (how do I know ancient slavery is different from modern day employment) - I thought the verse I quoted was sufficient. “A slave is property”. I don’t know about you and your place of employment, but I am not owned by my boss. We enter into a mutual contract where I am free to leave at any time. Furthermore, my boss doesn’t beat me (potentially to the edge of death without penalty) for disobedience. On top of that Exodus makes it abundantly clear that slaves are to be TAKEN from neighboring lands. This isn’t the indentured servitude that you’ve been taught was the case when one Israelite enslaves another. The slavery outlined in the verses surrounding the one I quoted is.....slavery, just as brutal and barbaric as american slavery ......even a cursory look at history confirms that this is true. </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">We often use phrases alluding to ownership of people without literally meaning that one person owns another - you've been presuming the Bible to be entirely literal without considering turns of phrase in the original Hebrew, and also not demonstrating anything about what slavery actually entailed in practical terms. In the context of the verse you mention, what's being said is that punishment won't be enacted against the employer - at the time the command was given, whilst the Hebrew people were in the dessert, a system for comprehensive policing wouldn't have been feasible. The fact is that we are all commanded (numerous times) to love others - why are you ignoring this and instead arguing about specific instructions given in a very different society?<br />I should argue the rest of your essay in more detail, but I really, really need to get on with other things, this debate has gone on far too long. <br />Have a great day, seriously</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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Could we acknowledge that homophobia wasn't the only issue with Kevin Hart's tweets? He should be forgiven - but it seems odd to me that all the fuss has been over joking about being gay, and none over joking about violently attacking a child.</div>
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You simply have to differentiate between different styles - and also recognise that each hearer is unique, so what seems daft to some passers by might prompt some others to think about God for the first time. I've never seen street preachers showing any evidence of xenophobia of violence whatsoever - so you really can't lump them all together.<br />
Don't you think that plenty of people would have thought that John the Baptist looked mad? Still, what he was doing was God ordained and important. If a person is street preaching because they feel judgemental or enjoy the buzz, that's very, very wrong - if they're genuinely seeking to follow God's command and to do it in the way He wants, it's brilliant.</div>
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Does he not just make borderline leavers more certain that the remain side is nonsensical?</div>
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Why does Vice so relentlessly push the ideology that human beings are just sex objects?</div>
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<i>idk why do puritanical nutters consistently push the idea that humans AREN'T sexual beings?</i></div>
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I didn't say that. As Mac Cruze said, there's satisfaction in a committed relationship where there's genuine love rather than just sex - whereas the quote captioning this^ is literally reducing human beings to their sex organs.</div>
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<i>But again, who are you to tell othersm people how to enjoy their sexuality? Nowhere in the article does it say 'now everyone go fuck other people'. I know people in poly relationships and they're a helluva lot more careful than people meeting random people off tinder or from the bar. A poly person is no more likely to get an std than anyone else. Just because one chooses not to be monogamous does not mean that they throw logic, safety, and precautions to the Wayside</i></div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-u7bBnNOHjxM/XCA8kkAmQLI/AAAAAAAAAhw/zHsU3-ZfFQoIvM-fynXvykrK1QqMJbIBQCLcBGAs/s1600/interesting-happy-facts-33.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="404" data-original-width="605" height="213" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-u7bBnNOHjxM/XCA8kkAmQLI/AAAAAAAAAhw/zHsU3-ZfFQoIvM-fynXvykrK1QqMJbIBQCLcBGAs/s320/interesting-happy-facts-33.jpg" width="320" /></a>I'm not "telling others", I'm commenting on an article, as we all do, and berating Vice for perpetuating objectification.<br />
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<i>You sound like someone who says they're a feminist but also calls women sluts behind their backs....</i></div>
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I'm not sure how to fix what I "sound like" to you - could you be more specific? No, I don't call women sluts, but I also don't call myself a feminist, because to me it has connotations of caring more about equality for women here in the West than caring about humans suffering far more in the developing world.</div>
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No one - regardless of whether they're sexuality is "outside the mainstream" - needs to share nude/explicit images. If I were gay, I'd be offended by that presumption. The real issue here is that our society insists on making life all about sex - in part because sex sells, so corporate forces have been influencing us to believe that we're defined by our sex lives.<br />
There's a far greater joy that most of our generation are missing out on.<i> </i></div>
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<i>Some people need money and their tits will get them there. I don’t see the problem to be honest.</i></div>
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There are a lot of problems - in particular, people being pressurised to allow their boyfriends to do things to them that they see in porn and in fact are violated by. Children are sexually abusing each other more and more because of what they see online.<br />
Also, people feeling unavoidably depressed about their bodies because of seeing porn stars bodies continually - and in turn feeling obliged to undertake risky/expensive surgery or diets.<br />
If someone is looking at someone's tits online and they have a partner/wife, she'll be seriously emotionally hurt. Porn tears marriages and families apart. That's a problem.<br />
<i>I mean is it is not the fault of porn that makes men or women inappropriate. It provides ideas but it isn't forcing action.</i><br />
I agree, people need to be responsible for their actions, the reality is that we're each influenced to some extent by things outside of our own minds, and for the victims, the fact that their boyfriends *should* have known better than to attempt to copy porn won't help them. So I'm not excusing it, I'm just concerned about the very real current consequences.<br />
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If you're marrying someone you love and want to spend your life with, why would you need Hilary Clinton there?</div>
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Plenty of people have co-opted the label of Christian to act out their selfishness - but when people have genuinely followed Jesus, it's meant compassion for others that society needs. How is this^ campaign actually going to make lives better?</div>
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<i>I mean. At least Satanists have a commandment against rape.</i></div>
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Jesus teaching not to do to others what we wouldn't want done to us covers that.</div>
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<i>These “Satanists” don’t believe in an actual physical Satan. They are activists for freedom from religion in this country (as in the Constitution). If all religions are truely =/not one religion is being promoted over another; then it should be ok for a donated statute-of Baphomet to be out next to the donated 10 Commandments statute....and if somebody wants to donate a statute of Odin then so be it</i></div>
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10 co<i>mmandments are great advice for society, how is a statue of Satan helping anything? </i><br />
<i>How is hanging the 10 commandments in public funded buildings helping anything? How is having crosses everywhere helping anything? And the 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth make more sense than the commandments. And it also covers child molestation as well.</i><br />
Jesus' golden rule means that child molestation is forbidden. The fact that some perverts became priests doesn't change the original teaching, nor the rest of Christianity.<br />
"Satanic Rules of the Earth make more sense"? Fascinating - how do you define "make more sense", esp. in our relativistic culture?<br />
<i>The Bible never says don't rape... It does say that you should rape though</i><br />
No, it doesn't say that you should rape. And as I said, Jesus' command to treat others as we'd want to be treated means that rape is prohibited.<br />
<i>Give it up. Your religion is falling apart. Pedophilia is rampant. You're priests frequently escape punishment and nobody really reads the bible any more. I stand firm in the belief that in about a hundred years, Christianity will have disappeared entirely. <span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"You're priests"? [I presume you mean your, not you're, but anyhoo] They have nothing to do with me. I'm in the UK< attending a Baptist Church and watching sermons from various Churches online. I'm following Christ, not an institution - even if I were attending one of the Churches where abuse has been happening, why would that mean that I should reject Jesus? I can't my head around the concept of God and of Christ having defeated death - but having looked at the arguments for and against, from Christian scholars, I've concluded that it's true. How much have you investigated?<br />"Nobody reads the Bible"? According to what data? Even though Christianity's lessened - not died, as you presume - here in the West, it's growing rapidly elsewhere, not least in China, despite persecution, where more and more media and influence is coming.</span></span></span><br />
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Jesus is more important than politics, so it's missing the point to turn a nativity into a political statement. However, Jesus did make it clear that we should have compassion for those in need - so the hostility of some who claim to be Christians towards migrants is, in fact, unChristian.<br />
It's odd that people would be upset by this^ given the incomparably bigger issue of the vast majority of people in our society ignoring Jesus and/or having been misled into thinking that He didn't exist.<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> <i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>Funny, I'd say the exact opposite. Politics is more important than Jesus so it only cheapens a political point by dragging a fictional character into it.</i></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Politics only affects this lifetime, Jesus offers eternal life. Obviously, you don't believe that, but how much have you investigated the arguments of the scholars who do?</span></span></span><br />
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But parents don't need to tell each other what they gave teachers. The idea behind this^ doesn't beat the fact that teachers are incredibly hard working and it's great for them to receive gifts.</div>
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Jesus told us to love others as ourselves - and both His teachings and other Bible verses make it abundantly clear that this includes from opposing nations. I know that most people don't give a toss about what He instructed, but most of those who support this^ cruelty would call themselves Christians - Christian means little Christ ie, those genuinely desperate to live for Him and follow His examp<span class="text_exposed_show">le, those in support of this^ just aren't.<br />Ultimately, these people shouldn't be trying to get into the US - because their home nations shouldn't have been made poor by the exploitative actions of others. Now, foreign aid should be increased and better managed to develop infrastructure and opportunities in impoverished countries - perhaps starting using the money that's currently being used on excessive guards and on the planned wall.</span><br />
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So? If a few out of the entire caravan aren't tidy, or simply don't have time to tidy because they have to move with the group, it doesn't mean that they're less deserving of a safe place to live than anyone else.</div>
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I hate how so many people now associate Christianity with the very opposite of what Christ did and taught, because of predators like this^</div>
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<i>Anything in the name of fictitious beings is insane. The idea that we even have churches is ridiculous. Religion is the root of all evil.</i> <br />
It would be - but God's not fictional. He's the conclusion drawn by much of humanity given that anything exists at all, and, in particular, that t the universe and biological world are too unimaginably precise, and interdependent, to have come about without a designer. You may, of course, choose to disagree - but whilst there have been many fictional gods, The creator of the universe isn't an imagined fiction.<br />
How much have you looked at the reasons that theistic scholars have for concluding that He exists?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchtimes.co.uk%2Farticles%2F2018%2F30-november%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fasia-bibi-shunned-by-uk-officials-says-conservative-mp%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1jGbRZ8q4UnItnMdzuAJC2Q5gzHjsQvanFJcEhZF8yd_nP1XJjUOJ7Wg0&h=AT1TTIhfOriO4XR-EI-48c_WIIrjc0FYb6NfFBdAUj4AEQS39M9Kzk-9fv390NAzV7NJbjjeGytilc9Ei1fDXjW8_ci7mg8h85Ts8nKQEogTctDUjULavEOO4Dt7eKs0LXkEnw" href="https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2018/30-november/news/world/asia-bibi-shunned-by-uk-officials-says-conservative-mp?fbclid=IwAR1jGbRZ8q4UnItnMdzuAJC2Q5gzHjsQvanFJcEhZF8yd_nP1XJjUOJ7Wg0" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Asia Bibi ‘shunned’ by UK officials, says Conservative MP</span></a></div>
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Indeed our government should offer her asylum - but why do we get so obsessed with individuals whilst there are any Christians being fired, attacked, imprisoned, fire bombed and executed around the world? We should be calling for action to address persecution, not only putting our energy into arguing about 1 person as though others are less important.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">perhaps we should celebrate other folks birthdays on the 25th of December, instead of just Jesus’? Why put all our energy in celebrating the birth of one person, as though others are less important?</span></span></span> </i><br />
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<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ofJ8kfZZjtA/XCA-ixm2VuI/AAAAAAAAAi4/TTuJGCcdt08g86aNYvAG0g1-uDH65G06wCLcBGAs/s1600/lml%253B.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="159" data-original-width="318" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ofJ8kfZZjtA/XCA-ixm2VuI/AAAAAAAAAi4/TTuJGCcdt08g86aNYvAG0g1-uDH65G06wCLcBGAs/s1600/lml%253B.jpg" /></a><span class="fwb">Because others didn't give profound teachings about compassion that were countercultural at the time, and perform miracles, and fulfil prophecies, and allow themselves to die for humanity's sin, and defeat death and rise again. But obviously, the 25th of December isn't actually Jesus' birthday - the day that He was born on wasn't recorded, so we celebrate on the 25th; but the vast majority of our society now spends the Christmas season worshipping other things instead (consumerism, food etc - not that these are in themselves wrong).</span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">yeah I know, you stole the date from the Pagans, and reclaimed it as your special day, by pretending the ‘son of God’ was born on that day!<br />Love how you argue in the first part of your post, that we should celebrate him, and him only, on the 25th, coz he’s such a great guy. Then go on to say he probably wasn’t born then anyway!! Perhaps people are just returning to their traditional Pagan roots, and exchanging gifts, to celebrate winter, rather than the birth of some fantasy Israeli hippy?</span></span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span></div>
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<span class="fwb">I wasn't arguing about the 25th, I was making the point that He's different from other humans.<br />What do you mean by fantasy? Are you suggesting that He didn't exist? Have you looked at the arguments made by Christian scholars about His historicity?</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">is that difference because he was the son of God, who performed miracles, or that he’s had an entire myth created around him, suggesting so? I think it’s the latter, so yes, if he existed that does make him different. However, to create an entire belief system, based on stories that are the result of a very vivid imagination, at best, is ridiculous!! I’ve seen the arguments, in passing, about his existence. I’ve also seen the arguments to the contrary. I know which one rings more true.</span></i></div>
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<span class="fwb">"in passing"? Can you elaborate? Indeed, to base a belief system on a myth is ridiculous, but Christianity, unlike other religions, is based on an actual event.<br />Why is "more true" that "vivid imagination" explains people testifying to something that had them killed and informing others about it to the extent that it became the biggest movement in history?</span></div>
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<i><span class="fwb">did Jesus exist? Maybe. It wouldn’t shock me to have it proved, beyond doubt, that he did. However, that’s a longggg way from proving he’s the Son of God, and that he performed miracles, as described in the Bible.! Uri Geller used to do things beyond human understanding, but when pressed to do them under scientific conditions, he couldn’t. He wasn’t gifted by God, he was an illusionist. I’m sure that his entire audience at a show, would testify as to how he could bend metal, or sense where items were that were hidden, but...mass delusion, by a skilled practitioner isn’t the same as proof of beyond human, God given, powers. Darwin has crushed so many of the pillars of faith, modern science, and the crimes, and hypocrisies of the churches and their agents, has pulled down the rest.<br />You should also remember, that it wasn’t too long ago, where NOT being a Christian, in Europe, could get you killed. Christians should think about that, when they say how awful the Pakistanis are...</span></i></div>
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<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TwQhBIQ75PI/XCA-i99qoiI/AAAAAAAAAi0/jTuIiDcflUY1yuhZ3aPXDHUlddJcDYB9wCLcBGAs/s1600/imagesoblj.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="168" data-original-width="299" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TwQhBIQ75PI/XCA-i99qoiI/AAAAAAAAAi0/jTuIiDcflUY1yuhZ3aPXDHUlddJcDYB9wCLcBGAs/s1600/imagesoblj.jpg" /></a><span class="fwb">Anyone who killed others for not being Christian were themselves not Christian, because by definition a Christian is someone who tries to follow Christ, who told us to love others. Uri Gellar performed because he could profit from it - Jesus had no media to praise Him nor did He make any money. Uri Gellar didn't heal people, URI Gellar didn't rise from death. It's a logical fallacy to argue that because there are illusionists, no miracle that's ever happened was real. You need to analyse the arguments of those who've found the case for Christ convincing.</span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/CBSNews/videos/299787923981858/"><span class="fwb">7 spectacular Christmas trees you need to see around the U.S.</span></a></div>
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Awesome. But no, we don't *need* to see them.<br />
And obviously, I know that the use of *need* is hyperbole, and not literal - but seriously, we need to keep in mind that whilst decorations (and gifts, and family, and food) are great, Christmas is about something incomparably better.</div>
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I'm not against the royals - but anyone who actually cares where they spend Christmas deserves a better hobby.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Flifeandstyle%2F2018%2Fdec%2F02%2Fyoga-v-pilates-both-are-popular-but-which-would-work-best-for-you%3FCMP%3Dfb_gu%26fbclid%3DIwAR3WNcsV9ZpW87QyZRq-1JxmCU89_WHkJ10X2Vb9ULRbG9BzX_RWt3FqB40&h=AT2Y3alfpIuHy9dgLjgG7SI6KO5ohtopYGuXcnB1iW4q7Rxo9XQcPpIF57JLRGL5gOgSDEo34A5Dl2FrSsNyDq3KABOTTGjqP7eARKWvNtmarDoJfWm8pDuq9dvn6fX0PC5-uw" href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/dec/02/yoga-v-pilates-both-are-popular-but-which-would-work-best-for-you?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR3WNcsV9ZpW87QyZRq-1JxmCU89_WHkJ10X2Vb9ULRbG9BzX_RWt3FqB40" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Yoga v pilates: both are popular, but which would work best for you?</span></a></div>
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It seems amusing that whilst so many individuals are criticised for cultural appropriation, no one bats an eyelid about the extreme mass cultural appropriation that is the yoga trend.<br />
And surely weight lifting - which won't produce "bulkiness" without extreme eating - is a more efficient way to get toned and strengthen bones? Surely the popularity of yoga is partly due to desperation for spirituality(?).</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/196829064559780/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2294%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D"><span class="fwb">No to Tommy Robinson, No to Fortress Britain</span></a></div>
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"History will ask us all: what did we do" - but what does this^ actually do? Indeed, we absolutely need to fight racism and the selfishness of nationalism and cold-heartedness towards migrants - but what does a march like this achieve? Does it not just make some on the right feel more hostile? What can we actually DO to make things better? Surely something more constructive, like arranging for as many people as possible to write to their MPs; to create awareness of the suffering of migrants through viral media campaigns; and to help victims of racism?<br />
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Why on Earth should a wife be obligated to have sex with her husband as often as 3 times a week to maintain his loyalty? He committed to not having sex -or anything close to it - with anyone else by marrying her, and she's not obliged to perform whenever he wants to keep that agreement in place. Is Vice honestly arguing that a man's sexual appetite takes precedence over a woman's own bodily autonomy?</div>
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<i>If you don't want to have sex with ur husband someone else will</i></div>
He agreed to be faithful by marrying her. If he wasn't willing to be loyal, he shouldn't have got married. He doesn't deserve her.<br />
<i>You act like it doesn't go both ways. Sexual fulfillment is fairly important for a healthy relationship.<br />You really did some mental gymnastics here. Even the bible has a passage on that very thing in marriage</i><br />
Of course it goes both ways - but 3x weekly is a big demand, and her not meeting it is no excuse for cheating. If he loved her, he wouldn't cheat, and if he doesn't love her, he shouldn't have married her. She deserves someone who respects her enough not to consider her as an object to fulfil his appetite.<br />
<i>your spouse doesn't "owe" you their loyalty either </i><br />
Yes, a spouse does owe their spouse loyalty, that's what marraige is. Ultimately, this husband has issues that he needs to deal with if he thinks that he needs sex so often to enjoy life.<br />
<i>3 time a week is a low number. I think if she was in love with him and not just what he provides that number would be 6-7 so who's really breaking the more important val. I'd say he by not truly loving him</i><br />
According to who is 3 times weekly a low number? I'm fairly sure that, statistically, that's far above average for long term couples. And contrary to popular belief, you don't need any sex at all to enjoy life. Apparently, the average is between 51 (http://time.com/.../how-much-sex-is-healthy-in-a.../) and 68.5 (https://www.marriage.com/.../how-often-do-married.../) times per year. To break marriage commitments for not performing more than twice as often as average can't be justified.<br />
<i>You dno't f*ck him, he is allowed to get it elsewhere. Either while married to you or not</i><br />
"allowed" according to who? By definition of being married, he's not allowed. It appears that sex is god to some people, so perhaps you feel that he's allowed because of your religious beliefs, but he's breaking a contract that he chose to enter into.<br />
<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vEUVSKzX1MQ/XCA-inUbzBI/AAAAAAAAAiw/S9QcstA-gd0LGeM7Bd1eBQiGAH_8BFdVgCLcBGAs/s1600/images%2B%25282%2529.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="217" data-original-width="232" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vEUVSKzX1MQ/XCA-inUbzBI/AAAAAAAAAiw/S9QcstA-gd0LGeM7Bd1eBQiGAH_8BFdVgCLcBGAs/s1600/images%2B%25282%2529.jpg" /></a><i>“3x weekly is a big demand” This is literally no-sense!! It’s absolutely subjective!! My ex girlfriend would disagree for sure!! As she wanted to get fucked every single day otherwise she felt that I didn’t love her enough! And if for some reason I didn’t want to I “was not a real man!”</i><br />
it's a big demand given that it's 2-3 times what's average. And as I've said, you don't even need sex to enjoy life. The husband in this scenario needs to deal with his issues - he's missing real fulfilment in life.<br />
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Does the extent of sexuality of some Western culture make the backlash from some Islamists (things like this^) worse? (NOT that I'm defending things like this^, obviously)</div>
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I was very pleasantly surprised by the programme. It critically highlighted some concerns regarding the trans movement, which is surprising from our media today, most of all from Channel 4. On Twitter, most comments were people fuming at C4 for its supposed transphobia. India Willoughby (trans TV personality recently on CBB), like some others, declared it Nazism. I asked India if equivocating questioning transgenderism with starving, stripping and gassing people might be overexaggerating, and they replied that it wasn't before blocking me.<br />
As Christians, it's vital that we're compassionate and Christ-like towards trans people - but some have seriously concerning attitudes.</div>
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The Vatican should do more to spread the Gospel, and improve its integrity in following God's guidance, then there might not be so many churches closing. Once the Church has left, it doesn't matter what the empty building is used for, what matters is souls' relationships to Christ.<br />
"However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands." (Acts 7;48)</div>
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It baffles me that people have said that they look just like The Handmaid's Tale outfits - have people not seen red before? Seriously, I'm so sick of people referencing The Handmaid's Tale to criticise reality in the West. There are parts of the world where women are grotesquely subjugated, but things like the time allowance for abortion being lowered (in certain states) are not oppression and are not equivocal to the rape and servitude of The Handmaid's Tale.</div>
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I'm sick of people celebrating the death - I've seen so many laughter reactions and people commending the shooting. If you knew that heaven had been offered, might you not want to tell people? You may think that the missionary was misguided - but he had good motives.</div>
<i>how has going to an isolated group bringing lots of new diseases worked out in the past. This group have emphatically denied access and they have the right to refuse religious doctrine.</i><br />
Of course they have the riight to refuse - they hadn't heard yet. Why do you think it was "doctrine" that he was going to share?<br />
<i>His body should rot in hell and eaten by vultures.So pleasing that would have been</i><br />
<i>soul vultures ..what the hell...y do you want to destroy culture ..</i><br />
<i>Converted outputs who says neighbour uncle as dads need to seal their mouths... Selfish termites, looking forever to encroach upon others lands and money.. Double faced criminals</i><br />
Why have you not understood my comment? He wasn't "selfish" - he wasn't going to gain land or money - he was trying to help people. You might think that he was wrong to think that he was going to help, but that was his motive. Why are you so hateful?<br />
<i>"Good motives" is a subjective term. Maybe good for him, but certainly not for the tribe. In my opinion they should be left alone. I don't think they need any of our religion to live their lives. Heaven doesn't exist. What exists is the harsh reality.</i><br />
How do you know that heaven doesn't exist? What if it does, and Jesus offers a way? The missionary believed that heaven does exist, and he was trying to tell people - you might have a different opinion about heaven, but that was his motive.<br />
These tribes didn't need our help. Time and again they've outrightly rejected your forced help. If they were in dire need an Administration is omnipresent for that. This Guy whose misplaced beliefs of self righteousness and messenger of God were endangering and he has been rightly sent to his God. This is a well set example<br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XhYXqPwIdPs/XCA-hyYfBCI/AAAAAAAAAis/zTRtgtJfULw6XJHg3sBjTitSn-wIrtSzwCLcBGAs/s1600/hedgehogs-photography-elena-eremina-63-57b18c2bf1df5__605.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="586" data-original-width="605" height="309" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XhYXqPwIdPs/XCA-hyYfBCI/AAAAAAAAAis/zTRtgtJfULw6XJHg3sBjTitSn-wIrtSzwCLcBGAs/s320/hedgehogs-photography-elena-eremina-63-57b18c2bf1df5__605.jpg" width="320" /></a>He didn't believe he was more righteous, he believed that he knew the way to heaven and wanted to tell those who hadn't heard so that they could reach their own conclusions. You're free to disagree with his belief - and the people on the island would have been too; he wouldn't and couldn't force anything, he was there to talk. How can you be so certain that his belief is wrong?<br />
<i>u think Christianity can alone save d world??</i><br />
I think that Christ is the only person who's demonstrated defeat of death, such that we can trust His claim to offering The Way to eternal life (heaven). I'm not aware of comparable evidence from anyone else. But that by no means means that Chritians have any cause to be "self righteous" as was suggesteed. And people calling themselves Christians who've hurt others were in fact, not Christians at all, because the definition of Christian is to follow Christ, who commanded that we love others.<br />
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<i>hahaha Religion is for those who are not equipped to handle the harsh realities of life. Amazing how God can do anything, except APPEAR! This dumbass got exactly what he deserved. Hopefully he did not infect these poor people with some pathogen their immune systems can't handle. That's the real tragedy here.</i>How do you define "religion"? How do you know that God can't appear? He knows better than we do about when He should do so. And He's not made of the particles that our eyes detect.<br />
Regardless of what you think about whether people can cope with life, what are your thoughts on the academic arguments for Christianity?<br />
<i>There is a reason why x-ray technicians wear lead aprons. And ya, religion has been the cause of more deaths in the name of god than radiation. So in reality more dangerous than radiation.</i><br />
Jsus told us to love our enemies and avoid violence; you can't blame Him for the wars carried out by people who called themselves religious just so that they could seem more noble to others at the time. Also, Communist regimes - which are atheistic - have killed many, many times more people than the total of those killed in "religious" wars.<br />
<i>Nice deflection with mentioning communism, which is a economic-political system and has nothing to do with religious beliefs. Regardless violence inspired by religious (god) still has killed more people than radiation.</i><br />
How do you know that the violence was "inspired by God"? As I said, people will claim to be following God to try to convince some observers that they're noble, in fact human beings are just greedy. Atheistic communism is a belief system, as much as theism is. Why do you not grasp my point that Jesus told us to be peaceful?<i><br /></i><br />
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Surely what people should be marching in the streets for is for our politicians to prioritise fairer trade and international arrangements that fight exploitation?<br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I pretty much agree with what you said. But the solution isn't politics. It's education.</span></span></span></i> <br />
Education of Britain (about Global issues) or education of people in developing countries? I presume that you mean the latter (?) and of course, that is fundamental - but we need our politicians to address the corruption that's keeping developing countries so impoverished and aid to be spent efficiently so that those in developing countries can and will access education. For example, some children miss school because they have to walk for hours to collect water, and others because their parents need them to help with farming /on plantations. Some are too poor to afford the uniform that they're unable to attend school without; some don't have schools nearby; some only have access to schools without remotely adequate resources. Our nation - wealthy largely from having exploited those developing countries - needs to do more to make education in developing countries possible, and a big part of doing so is political action to address the corporate exploitation that's maintaining the desperate situation families are in.<br />
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Why go abroad?<br />
We live in one of the best places to be already. There's more than enough to do, and plenty of days of sunshine in the summer. If we holiday here, it will help the local economies of what are some of the poorer parts of the country, and save a huge amount of greenhouse gas (that we create by travelling abroad).<br />
We're incredibly privileged if we have enough wealth to be able to spend<span class="text_exposed_show"> £hundreds on a week's entertainment - why not do something more exciting with that money? I'd far rather fund a year's sponsorship for an impoverished child than spend a week somewhere exotic.<br />(Apologies if I sound like I'm trying to be self righteous, I need to be more useful to the world's poor - I just genuinely don't understand why holidays that cost as much as they do for such brief unnecessary amusement is normal.)<br />It's not necessary, or worth the cost, to go abroad. What makes a break good is spending it with awesome people - going somewhere exciting is a rip-off.After a week or 2, £hunddreds, even £thousands, are gone forever, though we could have enjoyed that time at/near to home anyway, since those of us wealthy enough to be considering holidays already have comfortable homes and access to entertainment of our choice.<br />Meanwhile there are many equally hard working people, in developing countries, who can only dream of the every day things that we take forgranted. And £for£, it's amazingly good value to help them - so if we holiday at home, we can transform lives (and save a huge amount of greenhouse gas that we create by travelling abroad).</span><i>Little England Brexidiot summed up right here</i><br />
How exactly? I just argued that we should be more concerned about people in developing countries and about climate change - how does that make me a little England Brexidiot exactly?<br />
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Are you honestly suggesting that a foetus that's as far through development as that in the illustration should be abort-able?</div>
<i>Are you honestly putting words in the author's mouth for no good reason? Like why jump to such a conclusion when that is neither the point of the article or the headline?</i><br />
No, I was asking a question in relation to the chosen image, and how it relates to the ultimate issue.<br />
<i>Sure, why not, if it would cause health issues for the woman carrying it?</i><br />
"why not"? Because it's a human being with - by that stage of development - brain function and pain awareness. What health problems of the mother are you referring to? If - medically - the mother is definitively unable to survive the rest of the pregnancy, I wouldn't argue - but most abortions happen for reasons of convenience rather than absolute necessity.<br />
<i>Ok, but explain to me why and how your train of thought, upon seeing this image, is "Vice must suggest this is an abortable fetus"? All I see is a picture of an ultrasonic exam, supposed "suggestions" are all made by you.</i><br />
Vice is arguing against those who discourage abortion, implying that abortions should be enabled. They chose an image of an almost fully developed baby. If they weren't arguing about such a pregnancy as that in the pregnancy, they would have no reason to use that image.<br />
<i>Yes that's possible, in the Netherlands u can abort, in special clinics, untill 23wk. Most of the time for medical reasons but it's legal if it isn't. Women across Europe come overthere. I'm not here for an ethical discussion, are my point of view. I just wanted to say that there are options , just an objective opinion.</i><br />
I didn't ask about what's "legal", I'm curious to know what people think is OK. Something being legal doesn't necessarily mean that it's right.<br />
Here in the UK, abortion is allowed up to 24 weeks - but all abortions are, technically, supposed to happen only if necessary for the mother's health, yet research finds that almost all report that they had abortions for reasons unrelated to health.<br />
Personally, I think that it's wrong to kill a human with brain function and pain sensation, but I don't get to decide. I was asking about others' opinions; the image suggests to me an opinion that I'm surprised would be held by many.<br />
<i>one of the tactics of these anti-choice clinics is to falsify ultrasounds by showing pre-recorded and doctored ultrasound footage while pretending to give their victims an ultrasound, so that when the foetus is nothing more than a clump of cells, their victims will think they have an almost fully-formed baby in their womb</i><br />
Can you show me the evidence of that? Why would women be duped, when we an all see and read onlne about development?<br />
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Obvs. I'm hugely against much of Trump's actions, but surely we should be trying to buy less; and when we do buy, to buy from charity shops, or buy locally produced items (dep. on what the item is, of course)? Shipping things around the world will obviously be impossible for some things - but if we want to tackle climate change, we need for less transportation to happen, and for there to be less factory produce generally.<br />
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<i>Supposedly a Christian country so how about The Church of England uses some of its 6 BILLION assets to solve the problem ??</i></div>
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I agree that it should do more - but you should know that churches are doing a lot. Many soup kitchens, for example, are run by churches even if it's not obvious to the wider public. Obviously, <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=263162170381168&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARAqXLJiqE3Ty8VgPvl-EHYGyPZTkKsvpAEVt0QK9-3W7b1zioB07ZbowLfXSHHsAtb5lLV9jFO6269s%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/salvationarmyuk/?eid=ARAqXLJiqE3Ty8VgPvl-EHYGyPZTkKsvpAEVt0QK9-3W7b1zioB07ZbowLfXSHHsAtb5lLV9jFO6269s&fref=tag">The Salvation Army United Kingdom with the Republic of Ireland</a>, the YMCA, CAP, St Mungo's and the Trussel <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=46074836918&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBycnBu-6Bet4_BtDEgq86e9x0udIhUhHxj9mUygxlC0FwmRfzi6bSjjJWvvDRNn2STmNVxzgt9YGyQ%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/trusselltrust/?eid=ARBycnBu-6Bet4_BtDEgq86e9x0udIhUhHxj9mUygxlC0FwmRfzi6bSjjJWvvDRNn2STmNVxzgt9YGyQ&fref=tag">The Trussell Trust</a> all have Christian roots and staff, but there's far more going on that you simply<span class="text_exposed_show"> haven't heard about as a non Church goer.<br />And why do you think that we're giving money to India's space programme? That's just not true - UKAid is spent through <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=41230335599&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARA8K6La8f5U3C4FJ43wnF30j4vQbvkgAsPRvMlSXsawF7Fbc7_v76QSQkqFhXSG0wXyqTxEuD7D-btS%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/ukdfid/?eid=ARA8K6La8f5U3C4FJ43wnF30j4vQbvkgAsPRvMlSXsawF7Fbc7_v76QSQkqFhXSG0wXyqTxEuD7D-btS&fref=tag">DFID - UK Department for International Development</a>, which distributes the money to schools, health programmes and other initiatives to help the world's very poorest people become self-sufficient. Our country became wealthy largely by taking from countries like India, and the poor there are suffering even more than the poor here - they're at higher risk of crime (inc being forced into slavery) and disease; they have no NHS; they may have had no education - so have no chance of decent work, and they don't have our welfare state/benefits as even a possibility for them. Also, each £ given to a developing country can pay for far, far more than it can here. Ie, it would be non sensical to reduce foreign Aid</span><br />
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We really need to focus on issues rather than left vs right. There's no reason why people who believe in equalising wealth distribution should necessarily be supportive of porn, abortion, and similar evils. And rather than understanding the desire to support life and families, many on the left have come to associate "right" with racism, so they're unwilling to listen to conservatives at all. The left right divide needs to be overlooked to tackle actual problems.</div>
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Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Matthew 22:37-9<br />
<i>Not everyone follows the tribal tales. Get over it.</i><br />
Again, how much have you investigated the academic rationale supporting Christianity? What do you tribal tales have to do with it?</div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9kQ-EOCigE/XCA-hnILOKI/AAAAAAAAAik/6BbeReR6aFMLWbWoPtebmrX7lYe67sEOwCLcBGAs/s1600/funny-pictures-of-animals-laughing-f.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="350" data-original-width="550" height="203" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y9kQ-EOCigE/XCA-hnILOKI/AAAAAAAAAik/6BbeReR6aFMLWbWoPtebmrX7lYe67sEOwCLcBGAs/s320/funny-pictures-of-animals-laughing-f.jpg" width="320" /></a>Mark Daniels how does calling someone slurs actually prove that they're wrong and/or that you're right?</div>
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This is misleading - how are you defining "gay cure therapy"? People should be entitled to have counselling if it's offered. People should NOT be physically manipulated (as have some past treatments, not by Christians) nor forced into counselling. What, exactly, are you suggesting that Christians are engaging in and what exactly are you objecting to?</div>
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<i>They are offering "counselling" for gay people to deny their own natural instincts, that's a bit weird.</i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I don't follow priests, why bring them up?<br />"Sky fairy"? How much have you investigated the rationale of Christian scholars?<br />And who/what are you expecting to inflict the plague that you call for?</span></span></span><i> </i></div>
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But as I said - there's a distinction to be made between counselling and cruelty that's happened in the past - both get labelled "gay conversion therapy", but it's only the former that some Christians are advocating, none are advocating the latter.<i><br /></i></div>
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<i>" How much have you investigated the rationale of Christian scholars?"Debating how many angels can stand on the end of a pin isn't really "Scholarly"</i></div>
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So that's not at all then. I never said anything about angels, nor do I myself have any interest in them. There are scientific, historical and philosophial reasons to conclude that Christianity is actually true, but I see you'd rather put words in my mouth than investigate and weigh up the arguments for yourself?</div>
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<i>"There are scientific, historical and philosophial reasons to conclude that Christianity is actually true" Could say the same for Harry Potter!<br />There's too many variables. Who's to say the Roman Gods aren't true?</i></div>
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"say the same for Harry Potter"? You seem, with all due respect, to be entirely unfamiliar with what I'm referring to. Why not explore for yourself, rather than wasting time arguing with me? This is one site you could start at - http://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning<br />
If you can present evidence to support Harry Potter, I'd be fascinated.</div>
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<i>I've had enough fiction for today, how about something important, like restoring a steam train or a decent Brexit deal?<br />A book exists with Harry Potter as a character. A book exists with "god" as a character. Co-incidence? I think Not!</i></div>
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Why do you presume that something you don't know about is fiction?<br />
And what is remotely important about restoriing steam trains?</div>
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<i>What is remotely important to me about a book which criminalises my existence, which has been used to support some of the most atrocious actions ever carried out by humanity. Wasn't that long ago they were burning women accused of being "witches"!</i></div>
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The Bible does not criminalise your existence; and the atrocious actions to which you refer were not Christian, it's predictable that power hungry people would claim to be religious for the sake of gaining respect. Christianity is to follow Christ.</div>
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<i>gay conversion therapy has been shown to be a complete failure and it is often very harmful to individuals mental and physical health. </i></div>
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But as I said - there's a distinction to be made between counselling and cruelty that's happened in the past - both get labelled "gay conversion therapy", but it's only the former that some Christians are advocating, none are advocating the latter. Ultimately, gay sex itself is against God's guidance - yet Jesus welcomes everyone, and commands us to love others.</div>
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<i>"Ultimately, gay sex itself is against God's guidance" So gay people to live unnatural lives? All humans, unless asexual, are programmed to have sex, it's as much a basic instinct as food is. It's cruel to prevent gay people having access to their own biological instincts. Forcing gay people to live single, loveless lives, how is that love? It's also a very stupid idea, sex is such a huge drive, it's unstoppable, people will do it. forcing gay people to stop having sex will force them to live horrid double lives. This "act" of fascist controlling of people's personal lives, almost inherent to religion is insipid and revolting.it's not unexpected though, you choose to live by 2000 year old Chinese whispers, I wouldn't be surprised if you wanted to stone adulterers next. You aren't gay, you have zero understanding of this matter, you have no authority on it. "and the atrocious actions to which you refer were not Christian,"yeah yeah, that's the oldest excuse in the book.</i></div>
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Why would you think I'd want to stone adulterers? I want to emulate Jesus, who specifically saved an adultress from stoning - though obviously, I'd never want to hurt anyone anyway, why would I? Believing that an action is wrong doesn't mean that you want the person carrying out the action to be harmed.<br />
I'm also not advocating "controlling of people's personal lives" - we can each <span class="text_exposed_show">disagree with another person's choices without wanting or feeling entitled to control them. Why do you think that Christianity is "2000 year old Chinese whispers"? Have you tried to find out what the Bible actually is, as a historical document?<br />The acts - ie. serious cruelty - of people calling themselves Christian WERE not Christian, because Christian, by definition, is to follow Christ.<br />I'm not gay - but I know from personal experience (as well as from discussion with many others) that life without sex is not cruel. It's not loveless either, as you suggest. Love between friends and family can be every bit as fulfilling as romance - though that too is distinct from sex. But there's a greater love still, which demonstrably has enabled countless people to feel deep peace and joy, and Christ welcomes you to it</span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show"><i>Your own anecdotal view is worthless, I'm afraid to say. You cannot speak for every single gay person, "love every bit as fulfilling", nope, doesn't work that way, it all very easy for someone who is not gay to say this too. Deep peace and joy from being single, never having someone hold you close, never being able to wake up in someone's arms, never being able to hold someone's hand and never bring able to have that kiss that gives you butterflies? The Christian "love" you speak of sounds like the "love" a man professes for the woman he beats.Historical document? Give me strength. Humans are an ape which got lucky. We invented stories due to our intelligence, which led to a fear of death. An action is only wrong if it causes measurable harm. Gay sex causes zero measurable harm. </i></span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">"zero measurable harm"? Tragically, we both know that many people have been hurt because of it - acknowledging that doesn't mean that I'm judging those people.<br />How exactly does "The Christian "love" [I] speak of sound like the "love" a man professes for the woman he beats."?<br />When you say "Historical document? Give me strength." what is it that you think the Bible actually is? How much have you investigated it?</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">"we both know that many people have been hurt because of it -"How exactly are people "hurt" by gay sex? If you are referring to AIDS, then you've lost all credibility. Gay sex is no more harmful, by any means, than straight sex. "How exactly does "The Christian "love" [I] speak of sound like the "love" a man professes for the woman he beats." To gays - We "love" you, but you have to live unnatural single lives and never find love with a partner, and never act on your natural sexual instinct. "is it that you think the Bible actually is?" An old book of fairy tales?</span></i></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">Not having sex (which isn't "unnatural", it's just not the most common thing) isn't the same as being beaten. And still you're missing the point - there's a joy in a relationship with Christ that more than compensates for not having sex, which you haven't yet explored. It's not just about not having sex, it's about having something better. Contrary to your earlier comment, yes, there is deep peace and joy to be had. That's why those who've most fallen in love with God have had their lives transformed, including people who had previously been involved in crime, and people being willing to die under persecution. But I don't expect you to believe me, so there's no point arguing about it.<br />"We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea." C. S. Lewis<br />Why do you think that the Bible is "an old book of fairy tales"?</span></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show"></span><i><span class="text_exposed_show"><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Joy with a magical person cannot replace an actual person. Your condersending attitude is not helpful. You aren't in the position you claim to have an understanding on. "magic person says" is not a good enough reason. Why would a "loving" God want people to suffer so much. Besides, it's not like any ban on gay sex has ever stopped it from happening. Me thinks the man upstairs didn't think this through. Why even make people gay, if not to torture them and make their lives a misery.</span></span></span> </span></i></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FJS5yXK-Olo/XCA-hwauRKI/AAAAAAAAAio/aGKI_DvRAnYTLfwRwtB4mC0ORb_6p4B3gCLcBGAs/s1600/hedgehogs-photography-elena-eremina-13-57b187b5b8e38__605.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="608" data-original-width="605" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FJS5yXK-Olo/XCA-hwauRKI/AAAAAAAAAio/aGKI_DvRAnYTLfwRwtB4mC0ORb_6p4B3gCLcBGAs/s320/hedgehogs-photography-elena-eremina-13-57b187b5b8e38__605.jpg" width="318" /></a><span class="text_exposed_show">I'm certainly not trying to be (or feeling) condescending, my apologies that I've come across that way - could you specify which thing it was that gave that impression? What exactly do you mean when you label God as magical, and why exactly are you certain that He can't bring joy if you've not experienced Him because you've not been willing? Do you not think that simply saying "because it is" demonstrates that you've not explored any evidence or reasoning? Anyone could say "because it is" about anything they want to believe, why dismiss the work of scores of academics who've studied the history surrounding the Biblical texts?</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">"could you specify which thing it was that gave that impression?" The part where you believe an all loving god would give people feelings which they are never able to experience, never experience someone they can kiss, who can meet their sexual needs, to spend their life with; that part. I think god is actually a she. it is illogical that god would have a gender. where is the evidence then? Actual scientific evidence, not an old book, please</span></i>How can you both think that god is a she, and that He has no gender?<br />
Scientific evidence? We were talking about the Bible, which historical. There are scientific reasons to conclude that a God exists, some of which are summarised in the link I added earlier (did you look at it?), and, separately, historical reasons to support the Bible's credibility as a historical document. The Bible IS NOT a scientific document - the creation account is a poetically styled summary for people unfamiliar with science, and the rest of the book is a compilation of historical accounts, letters and poems. There are also historical texts outside of the Bible that support the conclusion that the events described in the Bible took place.<br />
https://www.bethinking.org/resurrection<br />
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Why on Earth should someone be forced to do something that they don't want to and which they believe to be murder?<br />
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It seems amusing that whilst so many individuals are criticised for cultural appropriation, no one bats an eyelid about the extreme mass cultural appropriation that is the yoga trend.<br />
And surely weight lifting - which won't produce "bulkiness" without extreme eating - is a more efficient way to get toned and strengthen bones? Surely the popularity of yoga is partly due to desperation for spirituality(?).<br />
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It's insanely annoying seeing people claiming to be Christians whilst doing things entirely contrary to what Christ instructed.<br />
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<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/opinion/trump-supporters-bill-white-bryan-eure.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR2xInhAPeVxD4Pt8FU-5RA9VjTj799mOt-P8PidOskvLdLGlYjA6qIclww" target="_blank">Maybe They’re Just Bad People - Not all Trump support is ideological. </a></div>
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Maybe. But all of us are on a continuum o good to bad and move around it as we go through day-to-day life. We won't make the world better by judging others, we need to constantly reassess our own motives and actions, and try harder to be the change we want to see. Seriously - pointing fingers at those we disagree with, even if they are indeed bad people, will make them, and others who share even just some of their views, feel more hostile and less willing to reconsider their stances. Plenty of Trump voters - even those you might not be referring to here^ - only consider the left more and more stupid/immoral when you post things like this^ and are less open to hearing concerns about climate change, the suffering of migrants etc.<br />
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Christmas is about Jesus being born in a stable - it's bizarre that culture now makes people feel compelled to make Christmas so lavish that anyone would consider taking out a loan for it.<br />
And honestly, He offers incomparably longer lasting joy than anything we can spend money on.<br />
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With $6 you can feed a starving child for a month (Feed the <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=109934439031299&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBreu78hMu_WBEvv8Ih6dsTdkKNIhnqWVFg8XWy09AT93doM5hIhfLUi-IiuO_zGX6GKzOdCL_8vO0w%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/lgfth/?eid=ARBreu78hMu_WBEvv8Ih6dsTdkKNIhnqWVFg8XWy09AT93doM5hIhfLUi-IiuO_zGX6GKzOdCL_8vO0w&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry USA</a>) - why would you spend $5 on one sandwich?</div>
<i>Me while you go to Starbucks and order a half-cafe cup of crap for $5 lol</i><br />
LOL, no, I really don't. I don't go Starbucks, or any other cafes (or restaurants, nor have meals delivered/take outs). Why would you think that?<br />
<i>$6 a month to feed a child? Dude, $6 will barely feed you a day. Two days if you buy nothing but the absolute cheapest things possible. I'm pretty sure that "Charity organization" is taking your money and not feeding a damn single child.</i><br />
No, charities are able to feed children cheaply because the cost of food is way, way less when bought in bulk and in the countries where they're working. Feed The Hungry USA, for example, uses oatmeal-like food that's been specifically formulated to maximise vital nutrients. Most of the cost of a Subway sandwich - or other food from a restaurant, take out etc - is to pay for the premises and staff (as well as advertisements, and profits for the restaurant chain's CEOs).<br />
And obviously, independent organisations run checks on charities to ensure that they're doing what they say that they are.<br />
<i>Feeding children with half of that 6$ while the CEO feeds his children from the other 3$!? No thanks</i><br />
Seriously, the idea that charity money largely goes to the boss is an unfounded conspiracy theory. Why have you trusted it? https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get.../myths-about-aid/<br />
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How many people could he provide with clean water for the first time, or education, healthcare or homes, if he used the money he plans to spend space tourism on helping the world's poorest people (victims of corrupted global capitalism) instead?</div>
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<i>Probably quite a lot. How many do you provide? </i></div>
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As many as I can - but as a desperate job seeker it's not anywhere near as many as I'd like. If I can acheive a real salary, I'd feel happier spending it on people in developing countries than on travelling.</div>
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<i>do you think the money vanishes when it’s put into a space program? It makes jobs. People who manufacture the parts. People who feed the researchers. People who crunch the numbers. People who clean the buildings. People who deliver the nuts and bolts. People who landscape the building and grounds. People who sell the computers and post-its and toilet paper and water coolers. </i></div>
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But what if those engineers were creating solutions to drought, famine and flooding rather than putting theiir time into Musk's trip? Jobs aren't a good in themselves - they're good because they enable people to feed their families. If more hours of work were directed into helping those human beings in true agony because of the injustice in our world, would that not be better?</div>
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<i>You know who could provide education and water for everyone? The Vatican</i></div>
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Trump regularly references God, but the Bible makes it clear that God wants us to help refugees....<i> </i></div>
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<i>~Good Samaritan ? He bound the injured mans wounds , paid for his room and up keep till he was well.. ~ He did not take him home to his family. Just saying ..</i></div>
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If it were you, would you really rather that a stranger took you into their home far away, or a nearby hotel? And the Samaritan wasn't going to be at home anyway, he was in the process of travelling - ie. he tells the inn keeper that he'll return on his way back from his journey. </div>
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This is, truly, far more important than most other news. Too often the media forgets the world's poorest humans.<br />
Whilst the people of Yemen are having aid blockaded (Saudi Arabia's evil is beyond words - and our government here in the UK is to blame for supporting them as well as yours) we can help other children in severe poverty for remarkably little cost to ourselves. For example, $6 can feed a starved child for a month (<a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=109934439031299&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARACpafFDuyZ8Gop8rMWB9TzJ-qFSwIew5hLVa4vufxY4tV_mABvANx0_FAKEsmjmNnOQOoPH51naJCc%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/lgfth/?eid=ARACpafFDuyZ8Gop8rMWB9TzJ-qFSwIew5hLVa4vufxY4tV_mABvANx0_FAKEsmjmNnOQOoPH51naJCc&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry USA</a>). Far more exciting than black Friday deals.</div>
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Christ came to us to be The Way to God - each of us has the offer of eternal life (heaven) through Him. His gift of love was His life. And He came in humilty, born in a stable, such that it's truly bizarre we now feel compelled to make Christmas lavish.<br />
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By 15 weeks the foetus has all of its organs and has brain activity. By 16, their facial expressions respond to music.</div>
<i>so. Bullshit babies cant feel pain until 27 weeks so stfu</i></div>
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What are you basing that on?</div>
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<i>Good to see you protecting the children being killed by armies in Syria, killed by gun men in schools in the US, personally protecting the children being abused by family members, adopting unwanted children, providing housing for homeless children wherever you are. I mean, I’m assuming that’s what you’re doing giving you care so much about what are essentially parasitic organisms that can’t live on their own outside the female body without help... </i></div>
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Of course I'm massively concerned about children suffering in war torn and impoverished countries. I sponsor children and desperately wish that I could afford to do more to help</div>
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<i>And what about the 15/25/35 year old who's body that fetus is using?</i></div>
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The mother chose to have sex (other than in the 1% of abortion cases due to rape) - it's not a matter of the foetus using her body, the foetus is in her body on account of her decision. There are couples unable to conceive who specifically want to adopt a newborn, so she could bring someone else immeasurable joy.</div>
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<i>Higher brain doesn't begin to form until roughly the end of the first or beginning of the second trimester. Without a cerebrum there's nothing driving the brain beyond basic reflexes and a few instincts. Additionally, even if IF the fetus had functioning pain receptors in it's peripheral nervous system ( still up for debate) the part of the brain that processes pain hasn't formed yet. So no. The fetus is incapable of feeling pain.</i></div>
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The 15 weeks we've been discussing is later than the end of 1st trimester/beginning of 2nd you're now talking about, so what's your point? Also, studies have found conflicting results - some suggest pain sensation at 8 weeks. I don't see why it's OK to risk it.</div>
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<i>I am becoming neonatal nurse as we speak. So I know a bit about babies lmao</i></div>
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Kudos! Seriously :) But that hasn't actually answered my question. Which sources give definitive proof that there's no pain prior to 27 weeks?</div>
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The real issue is that culture is conning us into thinking that a "healthy sex life" is necessary for happiness - it isn't at all. We're hungering for thrills, and for meaning in life, and we've been duped into thinking that sex can fill the void.<br />
Change in attitudes to sex since the sexual revolution has done immeasurable harm - suffering and healthcare costs due to STIs inc. HIV and cervical cancer(and the tests/treatments); HPV vaccines; abortions; emotional suffering (the brain releases oxytocin - pair bonding hormone - in sex, so people are far more likely to feel depressed later on after a broken relationship if it included sex) etc.<br />
Corporations have been profitting - magazines and TV/film/music sell by featuring sex, and now everyone's convinced that it's healthy to start ASAP and have plenty of different partners. If it were again the norm to wait before having sex, until you're with the person you've commited to for life, the abortion issue and so, so much heartbreak could be avoided.<br />
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I'm underweight (based on my BMI) but can't stop worrying about not being thin enough out of my head. (I was previously hospitalised for anorexia, which has massively impacted my life). I desp[perately wish that things like this^ would stop. There are innocent human beings starving elsewhere (which I know from having had anorexia is more tortuous than you realise when you see Save the Children adverts<span class="text_exposed_show">), and how wide our stomachs are is truly meaningless. I hate myself for not putting my shape out of my mind, and for not being able to do more for those less fortunate than us. Our media is perpetuating eating disorders with stories like this, ruining lives and adding to the NHS's struggle. And the Sun is as much - if not more - at fault than the celebrities for spreading this content.</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">You think the government should steal people’s homes, and make a profit off homeless people??</span></i></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">No, I think that empty buildings are evidently not homes, and that they should be made oue of, especially as the weather gets cold.</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">Grace is right. We need to throw away the property rights our ancestors fought for for the greater good. The denigration of property rights never leads to tyranny and oppression...</span></i></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">You can't presume on the basis of separate, past situations. This is simply about getting people into shelter rather than leaving buildings empty. The fact that anyone owns multiple properties whilst others freeze on the streets is a result of long term injustice. If there are people who own these abandoned homes, they clearly don't care about them much if they leave them like they have. How could you think that it's better for human beings to sleep on pavements in winter?</span></div>
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<i><span class="text_exposed_show">Socialists nonsense!</span></i></div>
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<span class="text_exposed_show">You think that it's nonsense for people to be inside otherwise empty buildings so that they're not sleeping on the streets in winter?</span><br />
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I love that, for $25, (a tiny fraction of the amount spent on most kids here at Christmas) we can provide toys for kids in the poorest parts of the world - who don't have toys already and who'll treasure the gifts for many, many years. https://www.samaritanspurse.org/operation.../buildonline/<br />
And just $6 - which many people will spend on coffee today - can feed a starving child for a month (Feed The Hungry USA)<br />
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<i>do they need toys... Or food and shelter...</i></div>
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Both. We hould be giving to charities providing food and shelter - but the shoeboxes give them toys that will bring immeasurable happiess, and also nurture the creativity that's crucial to child development, as well stationery and soap/toothbrushes that they're otherwise without.<br />
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Statistically, the majority of American people are white, Republican or both, so this title is meaningless (obviously, Trump's handling of race relations sucks, but you're not headlining it in a meaningful way - and you shouldn't need to segregate the populace to comment on Trump). Constantly implying that white people are all racist only makes society's divisions worse.<br />
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Meanwhile, innocent human beings elsewhere have to walk for hours - and are at risk of assault as they do, as well as being forced to miss school - to get any water at all. And that water will still be dirty and dangerous, causing scores of infants to die.<br />
There are people who could only dream of the food we get from the value ranges n cheap supermarkets, because they almost never get to eat much<span class="text_exposed_show"> other than rice - and some who are starving.<br />Charity that provides long-term solutions has significantly reduced the proportion of humanity suffering like this - there are still people that we can help, for what is, to us, remarkably little cost. Yet you're spending £s that could be alleviating agony on bottled water for a dog?</span><br />
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God preceded human beings and the concept and biology of gender. However, since God refers to Himself as a He, it's non-sensical to object to Him being described as He.<br />
Crucially, God is without the negative traits that some associate with some masculinity - but He has strength and power such that it makes sense to think of Him as a Father, rather than a mother.<br />
And like a Father of a baby, He knows far, far, far more than we can comprehend - so it really is very odd that our culture is so obsessed with judging God as though He doesn't have reasons we're unaware of.<br />
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It does need substantial explanation - not "trigger warnings", but information on the context and linguistic styles that mean that parts seem odd or unpleasant. Ultimately, it's Jesus who shows us God's nature most clearly, and Jesus whose teachings and instruction we follow.</div>
<i><span class="text_exposed_show">1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;she must be quiet</span></i> </div>
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<i>and in other verses it shows the monitery value of women, and when women are menstruating they are unclean and a man who touches them have to be cleansed.</i></div>
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Which verses show the monetary value of women? Regardless, those verses were written in a culture where people already thought a bride price to be important, and it would have been necessary for there to be guidelines about this to prevent disagreements.<br />
Verses about menstruation were written for a people who didn't have running water or sanitary products, nor an understanding of hygiene risks; and who also saw symbolism in blood.<br />
But far more in-depth discussion is needed - and ultimately these points are irrelevant compared to Christ, which was my original point.</div>
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<i>weren't the verses written by God or at least inspired by God? Didn't an omnipotent and omnipresent God not know about hygiene?<br />Don't you read your bible as a christian you should about the monitery value of women fifty shekels if I remember rightly, I thought a Christian would have known, silly me.<br />So we have to follow the new testament? Can you proof jesus existed?<br />And can you please name the women preachers.</i></div>
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<i>Arguably just doesn't cut it, and Junia was thought to be a man. I see your very well versed in what God knew. and can you prove jesus ever existed?</i></div>
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LOL, who claimed Junia was a man?<br />
What do you mean by "cut it"? What stadards of gender parity are you demanding? You know that it was a setting in which women were less likely to teach, so why blame the NT? Why do you think that the number of women determines whether or not Jesus truly made a way possible for us to be with God? Have you looked at the historical support for the resurrection?<br />
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<span class="fwb"><i>What I don't understand: you don't want a few thousand brown people immigrating here, but you're willing to have hundreds of thousands of brown people born here if you deny a woman the right to have an abortion. My white family will send a woman to Sweden to have an abortion if she needs one, if it becomes illegal in the States. But you're willing to pay $250,000 for each child on welfare (because that's where those unwanted kids will end up). Don't you realize who your anti-abortion laws will affect? The poor black and brown women will be having a dozen babies each. You’ll be surrounded by little brown future voters.</i></span></div>
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"you don't want a few thousand brown people immigrating here"? When did I say that? Seriously, don't make assumptions. I'm desperate for politicians to find ways to allow in and integrate more of those people fleeing violence and poverty. Why on Earth are you trying to threaten me with "You’ll be surrounded by little brown future voters"? why would I mind? Why are you assuming that I'm racist? NB - there are couples keen to adopt but specifically desperate for newborns.</div>
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<i>Pregnancy is a huge strain on a woman's body, and when a woman wants a child, it is a beautiful thing. It is shameful to try to force a woman to be an incubator for someone else's convenience... whether it is your version of morality, or the wishes of a person who for whatever reason, cannot or will not have their own pregnancy. </i></div>
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No one's forcing anyone to be an incubator - only 1% of abortions are due to rape, in other cases, the woman made a choice, she wasn't forced. And we're very priiviileged to also have tonnes of contraception options. I'm well aware that can't will someone else as to what to do - and even if I could , don't think I'd force them- I'm just expressng my opinion, which is what social media , and the above story^ are about.</div>
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<i>Hard to say only 1% of abortions are due to rape when rape is under reported.</i></div>
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The stats aren't based on whether people report rape, the stats are based on what those who have abortions say is their reason. The reasons that some people have for not reporting rape won't apply when they're ticking a box anonymously.<br />
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What does a baby think when their parent takes them to get vaccinated? The baby will feel that something awful is happening, and their parent will seem evil to them. In reality, the parent knows that the vaccination is for the baby's benefit, though the baby can't fathom how.<br />
The gap between our knowledge and God's is far greater than that between a baby and parent.<br />
God is more than powerful enough to bring overwhelming peace and comfort to those who've suffered the worst crises - if they're willing to let Him in.</div>
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<i>This is really a weak argument when you consider all the innocent babies and children who suffer and die, often needlessly. What the "benefit" they experienced? I would feel more peace knowing there is no god, than believing that a god who could act, did nothing to relieve my child's pain and suffering. Or, any child for that matter.</i></div>
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With all respect, you seem not to have understood my analogy at all. OUR brains aren't remotely adequate to grasp all of God's reasons, so He'll have reasons we don't begin to comprehend.<br />
Ultimately, He knows the future - and that those innocent babies and children who suffer and die can spend eternity in heaven, such that this life is momentary by comparison. But it's not needless - those short lives have vital importance to their families.<br />
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In his speech announcing his having been selected by Trump as running mate in the lead up to the 2016 election, Pence said that he's a Christian first. IF that's true, his priority must be to seek ways to nudge the president towards Christ - an almost, but not quite entirely - impossible task - rather than prioritising upholding Trump for the sake of Trump. I desperately hope that Pence plans to influence Trump, rather than simply strengthen Trump's influence.<br />
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So, in order not to be aggressive, men should wear nipple tassles and make up? Think seriously about the message you're putting across - you aren't tackling negative behaviour, affirming that males can be caring and empathetic; you're yet again seeking to define human beings as sexualised semi naked bodies. And isn't this title^ insensitive to women who've been abused by men, given that you're essentially implying that they wouldn't have been abuse if those men had painted their nails?<br />
You also, rightly, earlier posted about it being wrong for white women to share photos where they make efforts to appear more black - but now you're celebrating photos of men trying to look more female.<br />
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Seriously, this^ is depressing. Have maternal death rates in developing countries fallen? Have more people gained access to clean water - or food, education, electricity, or basic healthcare? Has progress been made in finding solutions to the world's biggest diseases? Are more of us privileged Westerners giving more to the world's poorest people?<br />
Instead, your list of "socially" "so good" things is filled with - albeit mostly nice - essentially meaningless pop culture developments, as though our entertainment was the most important thing.<br />
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But <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=10513336322&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBV1LakNg5ZsVwX6CbEc3tTfreXh9f9F4anqXBBLt3IFqbJyjpr5vogw0FQRPiJZpVPi75PUl4Rl9MP%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/?eid=ARBV1LakNg5ZsVwX6CbEc3tTfreXh9f9F4anqXBBLt3IFqbJyjpr5vogw0FQRPiJZpVPi75PUl4Rl9MP&fref=tag">The Guardian</a>'s still firmly in support of it being possible to suck/chop up developing humans like these^, right?</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Educate yourself about the topic you’re speaking on before you write this ridiculous crap. Revolting display of ignorance.</span></span></span></i></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What exactly is incorrect about my comment?</span></span></span><i> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> <i>literally everything expect the spelling of the words. You’re already on the internet, try google for some information on what the medical procedure of abortion entails. You’re clearly interested in the topic, but could benefit from facts instead of religious rhetoric.</i></span></span></span><i> </i></div>
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So you can't actually tell me what's wrong with my comment?<br />
Is it not the case that vacuum aspiration, and sometimes, separation of limbs, are used in some abortions? Of course I've used the internet, and this is what the various sites - inc. Wikipedia and our NHS - say. What have you seen on the internet that says otherwise?<br />
I also "educated myself" a bit on development within the womb through my biomedical science studies at uni (as well as visiting many websites since that discuss at what points in pregnancy different changes occur). As the above^ sculptures show, a foetus is not "just a clump of cells" as so many people state.<br />
What is "religious" about my comment?</div>
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<i>Nah - the guardian is firmly in support of women making their own life and medical decisions. Not that hard to follow really.</i></div>
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Indeed women can make such decisions, I'm just expressing my opinion (as everyone does online). Given that she already made a decision (to have sex) is it not disputable that a woman's decisions get to include killing a tiny human, as shown in the sculptures? It's not "her own life and medical decision" alone, it's also a decision that destroys someone else. It's a complex topic, but it seems odd to me that people, organisations etc would be so firmly supportive of abortion access given the demonstrable humanity and intricacy of the foetus.</div>
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<i>You needed to look up Wikipedia after you studied it at university?</i></div>
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LOL, no - Sandi told me to Google so I did, to see what the current top search results say; I'm curious as to what she's read that disagrees with my comment.</div>
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<i>Do you believe in war Grace? The murder of developed humans with families and children?</i></div>
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Hypothetically, there may be some war situations in which action has to be taken to stop dictators, ISIS or similar; but which actions those should will be very specific, and in general, no, I'm obviously opposed to war, and I'm certain that much of what my government has done in the middle East was wrong.</div>
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<i>It really isn’t that complex. Either a woman is autonomous and owns her body, or she doesn’t. That’s it. Thats the whole complexity right there.<br />Everything else is just personal opinion and preference.</i></div>
"everything else is just personal opinion"? no, she actually does have another human being inside of her. It's not only about owning her body - she owned her boy in choosing to have sex - it's also about destroying another body.</div>
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<i>have you even taken the time to read the article? It’s a sculptures. Not abortion.</i></div>
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That's just the thing - our culture is weirdly simultaneously happy to marvel at the developing foetus, and also to pretend that what's being destroyed in abortion has nothing to do with it.</div>
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<i>Since you’ve done biomedical studies I’m sure you’re familiar with babies that won’t survive a birth. Do you support them being tortured by a birth before they pass away? if not, what is your proposed solution? </i></div>
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Statistically, abortions that happen because the feotus/baby is inviable are an utterly tiny proportion, and we're discussing the wider issue of abortion ie - mostly viable humans. If doctors were absolutely certain that the offspring would not survive, of course I wouldn't object to a termination if it could be carried out using sedatives that prevent foetal pain - but there are plenty of cases of mothers being told that the foetus they're carrying is abnormal, and that foetus ultimately surviving after all.</div>
<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-deoiY7Rq80U/XCBCsrqG7RI/AAAAAAAAAkU/oeMx2E-c8MoKxw8C_qZGXb0VlyLIt2cbwCLcBGAs/s1600/e987fa5d6574cc7133573d26052df461--cavalier-king-charles-king-charles-spaniels.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="540" data-original-width="720" height="240" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-deoiY7Rq80U/XCBCsrqG7RI/AAAAAAAAAkU/oeMx2E-c8MoKxw8C_qZGXb0VlyLIt2cbwCLcBGAs/s320/e987fa5d6574cc7133573d26052df461--cavalier-king-charles-king-charles-spaniels.jpg" width="320" /></a><i>You see, that's why its opinion. Science says she doesn't have a 'human being' inside her - she has a clump of foetal cells with the potential to form into a human, if incubated correctly. If you 'think' it's a human, that's fine - but that's just your opinion. It is not based in medical fact.</i><br />
"Science says" according to what source?<br />
Check out this, for example; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713799/<br />
I won't argue about a newly fertilised eg/zygote/morula; but after 6 weeks, its cells have differentiated and relocated to such an extent that its heart is beating. How do you define human, if a living being with its own unique, complete human genome, organs and brainwaves is not human?<br />
<i>According to basically all peer reviewed research that isn't done by religious organisations. </i><i>A foetal cell is not a human being. I know you know this.<br />But your opinions and feelings around abortion make you not want to acknowledge that. Fair enough. Its an emotive issue. But don't pretend a foetus is equal to an autonomous woman - when you know full well it is not!</i><br />
"a foetal cell"? I just stated that I'm not referring to individual cells. Which "basically all peer-reviewed research"? Seriously, which sources are you referring to? Did you look at the article linked to? Wikipedia - as a simplistic, secular source - talks about a foetus in the context of human development. I think that the emotion and not-wanting-to-acknowledge may be on the part of those wanting to deny that it's human because that makes it emotionally easier to justify getting rid of it.<br />
Isn't it odd that, at 12 weeks, our NHS refers to the offspring as "fully formed. All the organs, muscles, limbs and bones are in place, and the sex organs are well developed. From now on, the baby has to grow and mature." and will already have provided an ultrasound scan; but at the same point, if the mother wants rid of it, the NHS refers to it as a pregnancy that she's only half way through her allowed time to get rid of?<br />
<i>you should keep in mind they are real parents who have lost children they wanted who have had to read your cruel drivel. From your response you really haven’t had much training at all or you didn’t pay attention. Learn some empathy or please stay away from medicine, cruelty doesn’t belong in patient care, humanity actually frowns on it too.</i><br />
What have I said that insults parents who've lost children? I'm specifically discussing deliberate abortion, why would those who've suffered miscarriage be hurt by what I wrote? How exactly have I been cruel? Please explain specifically, I need to learn.<br />
<i>go back and read your own words, and think about how those words sound to a grieving parent who has lost a child for medical reasons. If you can’t figure it out you need therapy. If you don’t learn, expect a punch in the face someday, it’s horrendous language to use in public, to anyone. If you really care about babies & their parents, turn your attention & efforts to them after they are born and supporting pregnant mothers who are completely without support due to domestic violence or poverty. Harassing pregnant women is revolting behaviour, whether they are able to have their children or not. I see zero interest from anti-abortion advocates in unfortunate babies after they are born, which hardly encourages women keeping them in severe hardship (you are literally part of the problem). If you dismiss this you are simply pro-birth, with no interest or care in protecting life, only abusing other people, which is cruel & inhuman.</i><br />
Pro-life advocates shouldn't be expected to support women who've made a choice (to have sex) given that they'll have responsibilities of their own, esp. since there are couples desperate to adopt newborns. However, if you "see zero interest from anti-abortion advocates" you've not been looking. Many pro-life advocates and groups work to help mothers. I spend most of my money on helping children in poverty.<br />
You've not told me which language you object to - why? How can I understand if you won't explain what I've done wrong? In particular, as I've already said, my words aren't referring to miscarriages at all, so why would bereaved parents be offended?<br />
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<i>believe it or not there is not historical evidence .. they have been trying to find it for hundreds of years ... the facts that check out are recorded facts in history .. the rest don't check out at all .. have you ever wondered why thousands of people saw one fish turned into thousands to feed the people and not one person recorded it in there diaries .. or their stories .. the only place any of it is recorded is in the bible ... and Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem for a census and gave birth to Jesus but no where is there recorded the birth of a Jesus to a Joseph and Mary .. .. there are articles written .. but there are no facts to go along with them .. just supposition .. the old testament was written thousand of years after the events .. and it is written with fact and fiction .. i could look back at history and say well i will add this .. and i will add that and it will make it look like i am telling the truth .. of course the huge omissions are a problem .. like the whole Jurassic period .. or the cave man etc etc .. you can't just believe shit cause one book says its so .. you may has well believe George Carlin was god .. at least he is funny and not murderous like your god by the way the new testament was written hundreds of years after the supposed events and all 4 books seem to tell a different story with just some basics the same</i></div>
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<i>Not to mention the bible is missing more than 10 books.</i></div>
LOL where did you read that? The New Testament is believed, by historians, to have been written within a century of Christ's life - most of it far earlier, and, obviously, at different points, since it's a compilation of different texts. The earliest of the Gospels is believed to have been written around 30 years after Jesus lived, but some of the epistles may be earlier. Perhaps you've read about the point at which the New Testament was put together? Ie the Church community decided which books to include, so that only those fully agreed on as credible made the cut.<br />
Why would people write about the feeding of the 5000 in their diaries? People didn’t have diaries. Seriously, you're projecting modern life onto an entirely different culture. Diaries are a modern invention - in Jesus' time, only a minority of people wrote, and the 5000 was a group of less privileged people - but why do you presume that no one wrote it down? What if, in 2 thousand years, their scrap of writing has been lost of has disintegrated? Historical documents that we have are the few writings that were carefully preserved and recopied. The New Testament itself, by comparison to other historical texts, has far, far greater reliability in terms of numbers of original copies, how quickly it was written down after the events, correspondence with contemporary culture and more.<br />
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But much of our culture doesn't care - right? Many people believe that what's in the image on the left is "just a clump of cells" that women must be enabled to suk/chop to pieces if they choose; so if they wish to do so because they don't like its genes, why would our society stop them?<br />
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<a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/spinal-column-why-life-is-for-living-8c2knb0st?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR05q7mdGEKb7985xQAW_E6Fn62w6aUmBV_fs8O5QNIzFLneNRA177HQEvw#Echobox=1542450182" target="_blank">"Wear out life while we hold it in the palm of our hand. Consume the best stuff and relish doing it. They’re just plates. Just fine wines. Just jumpers. We are allowed nice things, whatever the future holds."</a><br />
Why? Stuff isn't the ultimate route to fulfilment, but regardless, how is it right to prioritise our enjoyment of life via "nice (+pricey) things" whilst other people are suffering because of the injustice that made us rich?<br />
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Almost enough to fund a source of clean water for a village where people don't have it. But hey, drinking some gin is obviously more important than freeing families from having nothing but dirty water to drink.</div>
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In his speech announcing his having been selected by Trump as running mate in the lead up to the 2016 election, Pence said that he's a Christian first. IF that's true, his priority must be to seek ways to nudge the president towards Christ - an almost, but not quite entirely - impossible task - rather than prioritising upholding Trump for the sake of Trump. I desperately hope that Pence plans to influence Trump, rather than simply strengthen Trump's influence.</div>
<i>Because mike pence the so called soldier of Christ that he proclaims himself to be , is any better than trump ? Give me a freaking break Mike Pensce is an evil being as much as trump is</i><br />
Of course he's better than Trump. He's not been a perv; he's not been boastful; he's not said derogatory things about reporters and rivals. I wish that he'd do more to voice the compassion for those who are underprivileged, as Jesus instructed, but he can't directly control policy, he can have a small impact, behind closed doors, by holding the position he does. What, exactly, do you consider evil about him?<br />
<i>old testament or new testament?</i><br />
Christian means to follow Christ. The Old Testament is endlessly valuable - but it's extremely complex, and much of it is historical documentation, not instruction. Jesus' teaching is our actual primary source of direction as to how to live. But we also need to avoid reimagining Jesus to suit our/modern culture's values.<br />
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Of course they did - some of my generation have an irritating habit of calling things that they like "everything", demonstrating tragic emptiness of meaning. If some very privileged girls get their kit off, and that's deemed the epitome of inspiration, those who call it "everything" have clearly missed out on many far, far greater things.</div>
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Join us: facebook.com/unitedhumanists"" class="scaledImageFitHeight img" height="150" src="https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s173x172/46318039_1983109095118829_1666664357020303360_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=19f5049b7c7c7947ecc526af02f06d40&oe=5CA82063" style="left: 0px;" width="173" /></a>^That^ is not CHRISTianity. ^That^ is evil people claiming to be religious for the sake of appearing more noble to some onlookers- but it's antithetical to following Christ, which is what genuine Christianity is.</div>
<i>And THAT was an excellent example of the No True Scotsman fallacy..thank you for your contribution, because it can help motivate people to think more clearly!</i></div>
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No, it isn't. A Scotsman is a Scotsman because of his place of birth, which is distinct from his behaviour. A Christian, by definition, is a person who's truly committed to following Jesus. Since Jesus told us to love others, including those marginalised by society or from groups separate from ourselves, a person who goes so far as to brutally harass someone else is evidently following Christ therefore the categorisation of Christian is entirely negated.<br />
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<a href="https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/UK-urged-to-halt-Pakistan-aid-over-Asia-Bibi?fbclid=IwAR1r2uuvqkuIrq-zakcvuXd51pZDAtyB9ucOiRHfesMJYN7B6KH9DPba4rM" target="_blank">UK urged to halt Pakistan aid over Asia Bibi</a> </div>
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Indeed the Pakistan government must be made to punish violent persecutors (ie, not only to make sure that Asia Bibi can leave, but also that attacks on other Christians are hindered).</div>
But how exactly is Aid spent? Aid isn't just money handed over to foreign governments, it's directed to non Governmental organisations setting up schools, clinics, disaster assistance etc. It's not fair to cut it.<br />
Surely our gov. should itself provide a safe transport for Asia Bibi?<br />
<i>If can have a space program (from our aid) to send people to space they are not a poor country.</i><br />
You're thinking of India, this discussion is about Pakistan. Regardless - if you're government has money to pay for a space programme and you're living in a slum/sleeping in the streets; working in a sweatshop etc, should you receive help in becoming self-sufficient from a nation that became wealthy in large by making your circumstances poor?<br />
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dAs3nutVpCM/XCA-gypsacI/AAAAAAAAAic/Qr40Ngt7EHwi_qaRMBbEErk8AWdAxo0GQCLcBGAs/s1600/19598620_1334332433350117_6842208546138291635_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="720" data-original-width="480" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dAs3nutVpCM/XCA-gypsacI/AAAAAAAAAic/Qr40Ngt7EHwi_qaRMBbEErk8AWdAxo0GQCLcBGAs/s320/19598620_1334332433350117_6842208546138291635_n.jpg" width="213" /></a><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Vox/videos/568906916876371/"><span class="fwb">The UK voted to leave the EU. What happens next?</span></a><span class="fwb"> </span></div>
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<span class="fwb">As a Brit (in London) I can not tell you how sick I am of hearing about Brexit.<br />Most importantly, we need to spend less time focussed on ourselves - we owe the world more of our thoughts and energy. The poorest are those outside of Europe who work 12 hour+ days in factories, sweatshops and plantations, producing the every day luxuries that we take forgranted.<br />Why aren't my fellow lefties more concerned about how international trade and politics could progress to help them? The consequences of Brexit for us are as nothing compared to what those people endure; our priority should be to tackle the effects of centuries of greed that have left those in the developing world trapped in serious poverty. Surely what we should be marching in the streets for is for our politicians to prioritise fairer trade and international arrangements that fight exploitation? </span></div>
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<span class="fwb"><i>how about marching for that British soldier beheaded by the Africsn Muslim, or that Big Ben terror attack, or Ariana Grande?</i></span></div>
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Wow, you're honestly saying that people in Africa are somehow responsible for the actions of Lee Rigby's killers (it wasn't a beheading, by the way, not that it matters, but you shouldn't make assumptions) just because they're from the same continent? How does that make sense? Is it OK for anyone from Libya to suffer because someone from Libya set off a bomb at an Arianna Grande concert?<br />
If you were being grossly exploited, should that injustice be ignored because of the mass shooters from your country?</div>
<i>As a Brit (close to London) I can not tell you how sick I am of hearing about other peoples gripes on unrelated threads.</i><br />
But there are so, so, so many threads about Brexit, and almost none about various other issues that need attention, so why is it wrong to comment about something "unrelated"?<br />
<i>Aren't you a righteous one.</i><br />
Why does being concerned about people in severe poverty mean I'm self righteous? Should global injustice simply not be discussed?<br />
<i>I am passionate about equal rights for sex workers. Shall i post about it here?</i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Sex workers aren't impoverished and oppressed because of the historical and corporate greed that's given us cushy lives. Sex workers aren't in their situation because of factors entirely out of their control. What "equal rights" do you feel they need help with?</span></span></span><br />
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Meaning what exactly?<br />
Indeed there are some people who struggle to accept their bodies, and gender stereotypes mustn't constrain people; but John Barrowman - unless he can prove otherwise with chromosomal analysis - is a man, and his personality and abilities are what he should be trying to get attention for.</div>
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<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-fb-test-584-1-&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR03eDLKpEA0AqSexFiiX1BN33-V7vceYN8HtI2jccHKg4c3ijmMwmSHNpc" target="_blank">The sex recession is upon us</a><br />
Sex sells, so magazines and TV/film/music full of it are everywhere, so everyone's convinced that it's healthy to start ASAP and have plenty of different partners.<br />
But eating all the junk food you can might appease indulgent natural instincts and feel enjoyable, yet we all know that it's actually detrimental to long term well being. Why doesn't it occur to Vice and others that the same principle a<span class="text_exposed_show">pplies to sex?<br />The brain releases oxytocin in sex so that people can pair bond, thus, ultimately, many many people ache emotionally because of what they've been led to believe about sex - quite plausibly contributing to the increased mental health suffering. And STIs, inc. HIV, as well as accidental pregnancies, cause monumental pain, and an NHS burden of £billions ere in the UK.<br />Media needs to stop misleading our generation - human beings are pricelessly valuable, not defined by what's done with genitals.</span> <br />
<i>Except the fact that young people are waiting longer and having less sex than ever kind of disproves all of that long rant.</i><br />
Than ever? According to what stats? Prior to the sexual revolution, do you really think that people were having more sexual partners than they are now?<br />
And the point of my rant wasn't how many people everyone was sleeping with at any given time, my point was that having multiple sexual partners isn't ideal. How's that been disproven?<br />
<i>sex in the media is hardly a new event. All those paintings with tasteful nudes that now hang in museums were the Playboys of their day.</i><br />
Indeed - but note, "tasteful", and they weren't in people's faces endlessly, only on walls to be seen by a few. Now,apparently, the vast majority of children have come across porn online - what do you think that's doing to expectations of normality?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2018%2F11%2F09%2Fstormzys-oxbridge-offer-might-sound-great-still-just-racial%2F%3Futm_campaign%3DEchobox%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1DCWXYTssZ5HUzyGkt8QDFLuE06XEktaVyPDLemnj679Co2WzSeXucGPA%23Echobox%3D1541788309&h=AT2flIKOXet5eXXRcYyGCYBoST_BUKv96SZYoXOQAmYsEtCdCboz-LbYw639ikB-s12O2_ZRNF3ystBFF0Mo_q1Z6OQvm7TXinAO-8RYbdR20ZoTti8vHU7vi-GU9Z-eODSO6Q" href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/09/stormzys-oxbridge-offer-might-sound-great-still-just-racial/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1DCWXYTssZ5HUzyGkt8QDFLuE06XEktaVyPDLemnj679Co2WzSeXucGPA#Echobox=1541788309" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Stormzy's Oxbridge offer might sound great, but it’s still �just racial discrimination</span></a></div>
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I think it's great - but I don't understand why one wouldn't instead spend the money on providing education on scores of children in the world's poorest places. Sponsoring a child, for example, for £25/month transforms their life - so why not use the money for this scholarship to help many kids who miss out on school instead?</div>
<i>Because it’s his money and, hence, his choice! Since when has society started policing on where charity should go? Ever considered that he’s solving an issue close to home? </i><br />
Of course it's his choice, but we can all share our opinions. And to say "it's his money" is somewhat voided in that our economy has become one of the biggest in the world largely through theft and corruption that's left others poor. So when we (in Britain) earn money, our income is many, many times the income of people in poorer countries, who have no choice but to work longer hours in far more tortuous work.<br />
Obviously, Stormzy is just trying to do something positive, and truly brilliant but as a society, we give far too little attention to human beings to whom we can make the most difference<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2F2018%2F11%2F8%2F18073422%2Fyoga-meditation-apps-classes-health-anxiety-cdc%3Futm_campaign%3Dvox.social%26utm_content%3Dvoxdotcom%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2W--WqSDqBokqvSyR7GefTGUoCuAUNDfL29gHcwRCqt57lJrn-OxoMnmU&h=AT1tmoudsv1k3gPW07odDNDxWMhMOaeVP6sLBXj4z9xIjro0q4OHRB-TBOK-j7YAevSHOmAmxNFzGBplaJLrjQGOIMSvLco_Y43NyWG6-SF_Ye3UbwOdKtvJTKZ89MWavnexuw" href="https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18073422/yoga-meditation-apps-classes-health-anxiety-cdc?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2W--WqSDqBokqvSyR7GefTGUoCuAUNDfL29gHcwRCqt57lJrn-OxoMnmU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The growth of yoga and meditation in the US since 2012 is remarkable</span></a></div>
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How are you defining "meditate"?<br />
It does seem remarkable to me that spirituality based on historical events has been replaced by spirituality that's based on past ideas.<br />
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No - our society urges us to think that we need more, but in reality, the stability of having one person you can trust is priceless, and non-monogamous relationships inevitably lead to at least one person feeling jealous and hurt.<br />
We're neuronally wired to feel emotionally attached to people we have sex with; some people may feel that less than others, and -because sex sells- we're surrounded by messages that we should seek out more sexual fulfilment - but ultimately, a lot of people are left broken by sexual liberalism.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/eveningstandardinsider/?eid=ARBGQnfYLbU_MRcJapqGEoFo-hZhpUngzNkh0y1B875BYjE5JGqgjXra2x2_VgAGIKAoSytJJsm8JVYC&fref=tag" target="_blank"> Coming soon, the Evening Standard’s new luxury lifestyle platform</a></div>
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Why? Compared to most of humanity, and previous generations, most us (in London) already love in luxury - we should be realising how privileged we are and enjoying the things that we have, not gawping (even more than existing magazines have us do already) at ridiculously over priced things we don't need.<br />
Things like this^ only make s less appreciative of what we have, and what we have is amazing. Even clean, running water on tap is something that some people, and our ancestors, could only dream of. But we also have endless entertainment for barely more than the cost of a TV license; supermarkets with all the food-based-enjoyment we could ever want (no take aways or restaurants necessary); shops that sell clothes we can love for 1/100th the cost of things that royalty wear etc. We should enjoy our comparative wealth and recognise the joy we can bring to others less fortunate, rather than feed the greed of corporations.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fsojo.net%2Farticles%2Fyoung-evangelicals-are-rejecting-islamophobia-their-elders%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2uTNMw4K1IVyQa-pyXqhLUcyjG0dll9kbu9mJtxgGZkRMjDMEbknmxKYU&h=AT1jtvp1sPaIxnYr09RiAZdd7UvGPF4gfWK2UGFiSF22eCkbTgkCEWql664Q2dbZ7V7YzNxgjUhUiq9X8lUYnSg-zk1mdRZhbfkrxyUQYcz1Eb8I2NuL4iV6J6V_Ngh04VA3mw" href="https://sojo.net/articles/young-evangelicals-are-rejecting-islamophobia-their-elders?fbclid=IwAR2uTNMw4K1IVyQa-pyXqhLUcyjG0dll9kbu9mJtxgGZkRMjDMEbknmxKYU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Young Evangelicals Are Rejecting the Islamophobia of Their Elders</span></a></div>
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We need to distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Some of Muhammed's words and actions in the Hadith are certainly dangerous - but the vast majority of Muslim people wouldn't dream of following those parts of Islam. Many Muslims are instead making a positive impact in the world. Either way, we're commanded to love everyone, and seek God's guidance in introducing them to The Way.</div>
<i>Just as it’s a matter of context when you read the Bible, it’s a matter of context when you read the Koran. That’s like me saying that Judaism and Christianity or violent because the old testament is violent. It’s in accounting of a different period of time and different circumstances, like the OT.</i></div>
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Christianity is to follow Christ, who commanded that we love our enemies. Islam is to follow Muhammed, who spread Islam through war.</div>
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<i>bleh. I have been taught plenty of violent rhetoric from Christian pulpits, media, and culture.Muslims love JESUS!!! They honor JESUS!!!And my Muslim friends follow The Way of Jesus (a way of peacemaking, hospitality, generosity, etc.) than most any of my fundamentalist Christian friends do.You have far more in common with the beliefs of Islam than you do Judaism.</i> </div>
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"Following Christ is more about a Way of being, rather than a Being that’s the way." on what basis? He tells us that He is The Way. If we've truly accepted Him, we will increasingly desire to live by His teachings - but it's Him, not our actions, that actually enable us to come to The Father. What violent rhetoric from Christian pulpits etc are you referring to?</div>
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<i>Saying a prayer does nothing to transform a person. </i></div>
I never said that "saying a prayer"transforms a person - it's actual commitment in your geart, and the power of the Holy Spirit, that transform.<br />
You can know that Christianity is "right" primarily because, unlike other faiths, it's based on an actual historical event in which Jesus actually rose from the dead, and was seen by enough witnesses that Christianity grew to become the world's largest faith despite centuries of deadly persecution. Today, some people still come to Christ because He reveals Himself in dreams and visions.<br />
<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cOuFrDfEh3w/XCBAPgzLYnI/AAAAAAAAAjc/wwDcHF74ad8-hAEAh4hsn4p08crIMeobACLcBGAs/s1600/dcd8a0ff81111e76fcfbcf2c532252db.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="376" data-original-width="564" height="213" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cOuFrDfEh3w/XCBAPgzLYnI/AAAAAAAAAjc/wwDcHF74ad8-hAEAh4hsn4p08crIMeobACLcBGAs/s320/dcd8a0ff81111e76fcfbcf2c532252db.jpg" width="320" /></a><i>so...which Christians were "right" when my family were being drowned in rivers, burned on stakes, imprisoned, orphaned, beheaded, etc. because they had the audacity to think that people should be old enough to decide for themselves if they wanted to be baptized rather than have someone do that for them as infants? If they all said the same prayers and had the same belief that Jesus is God, how can I know for sure which Christian beliefs were the "right" ones? Should I follow the beliefs of the ones who were torturing? The ones fleeing the torture? They were allllllll "Christians" according to your requirements. How can I know for sure? What if I make a mistake? </i><br />
People who carried out actions like those were clearly not actually following Jesus, whatever they said. Obviously, for centuries people have labelled themselves as Christians because doing so gained them some degree of respect at the time, but if they'd honestly een in love with Christ, they wouldn't have done those things. But what people who call themselves Christians do isn't the crux of the matter; I believe that the evidence leads to the conclusion that Jesus defeated death, and told us the He is The Way. You may disagree about whether that's true, but what future people did doesn't affect its veracity..<br />
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Seriously? So chromosomes just don't matter? Indeed bullying MUST be addressed and people shouldn't feel forced to conform to social stereotypes - but how is it unscientific to maintain that female and male are simply synonyms for XX/XY chromosome status? We all know that there are exceptions (Kleinfelter, Androgen insensitivity syndrome etc) - but how can it be scientific to label someone as something other than what their body is?</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Well Grace, then you would have to side with a broader definition of gender. Chromosomes sometimes come with an extra one from either sex. It turns out that while most people end up with either an X and Y or two Xs, not everyone does. For example, some people get two Xs and a Y. Is such an individual male or female according to the proposed HHS changes? Genetic testing is one criteria for the HHS classification, not just genitals. So what happens when genetic testing (i.e., chromosomes) can’t be categorized into male or female?</span></span></i></span><i> </i><br />
But we know that the vast majority of people concerned about this are not arguing on the basis of rare genetic conditions. This is mainly about people with typical biology of one sex wanting to be labelled as the opposite sex. And they deserve immense compassion, not to have lies written on official documents<br />
Those who do have rare conditions regarding their sexual genetics must have allowances made on a personalised case by case basis depending on their specific biology, history, and the documentation in question . Most importantly, everyone ought to feel comfortable with who they are - if they don't associate with the stereotypes of the sex that their chromosomes dictate they are, it mustn't bother them, because are a unique, priceless individual - not a stereotype of the opposite sex that's been "born in the wrong body".</div>
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<i>lets keep the chromosomes definition. what are your chromosomes Grace Dalton? I assume yor are XY because all that makeup you are probably a XY trying to pass as XX, not on my watch</i></div>
You've been living under a rock if you think that my make up is abnormal for a girl in 2018. Of course I'm XX, but I don't give a toss what you think.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcbsn.ws%2F2PdCzWp%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0xxEOjAcK9lcYIh_w87ifvWmU90qx22mho4ss_4zyKgDv76EKTro5W4X4&h=AT3YbJXL1Lfl_xBU3FgF6XTcuIuZqU1UCh4eo084AUH6CUtmbd84lVHTSDcPr5THvsQZxVYSAEXMYE6UykOxX4m5l6xHGo2O2LQRfabpCJTiDWeBdc8AjTIMZ7Mkvz_j3ruybg" href="https://cbsn.ws/2PdCzWp?fbclid=IwAR0xxEOjAcK9lcYIh_w87ifvWmU90qx22mho4ss_4zyKgDv76EKTro5W4X4" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Kim Davis, clerk who refused to issue gay marriage licenses, voted out of office</span></a></div>
<a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ALLTNqU00_8/XCBAQoyk8XI/AAAAAAAAAjo/spY-cjK1oUIt1Ikmtcka_2zNfmH6E_hrgCLcBGAs/s1600/ez-vet-locations.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="558" data-original-width="400" height="320" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ALLTNqU00_8/XCBAQoyk8XI/AAAAAAAAAjo/spY-cjK1oUIt1Ikmtcka_2zNfmH6E_hrgCLcBGAs/s320/ez-vet-locations.jpg" width="229" /></a>I don't know enough about her - but people shouldn't presume that all Christians who won't support gay marriage are simply bigotted. The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - and because God knows better than sexual urges as to what's best for human beings, one could refuse to endorse a gay sexual relationship because of truly believing that to do otherwise would be unloving. That obvio<span class="text_exposed_show">usly doesn't mean that it's at all OK or Christian to mistreat gay people in any way whatsoever. <br />We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.<br />Please note – many people who’ve called themselves Christians aren’t actually following Christ; Jesus was consistently peaceful and compassionate.</span><i>The bible mention idolatry and adultery more than it does homosexuality. Maybe we should condemn Christians who have been married more than once to lose all of their civil rights.</i><br />
"lose all of their civil rights"? Not issuing marriage licences isn't taking away civil rights.<br />
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Obviously, the robo-call was sickening. Presuming that by "ugly" Oprah means ugly behaviour, then obviously the statement is accurate - but in general, I wouldn't trust her opinion on Jesus.</div>
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<i>wait tell you find out Jesus was an Arab</i></div>
What are you on about? I'm well aware that Jesus was Jewish (not the same as Arab, BTW, interesting that you presume all from the middle East to be a homogenous group) - why do you think that I know less about Him than you, and why do you think I'm racist?<br />
<i>What is your religion...since you're speaking on it..."atheists"...or as some brits would say "none"..meaning no religion</i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I hate the word religion, it has too many connotations. I believe that the evidence for God's existence, and separately, Jesus resurrection, is too strong to deny. Thus I'm a Christian and desperately want to live for Him. The Church that I attend is Baptist - but what I believe is determined by trying to understand the Bible rather than by an institution.</span></span></span> <br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/RussellBrand/videos/257311258532639/"><span class="fwb">Are You Feeling Lost In The World? Follow you bliss</span></a></div>
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Follow your bliss? Why? What we think of as bliss is by no means what's best for us, our, more importantly, for humanity, long term.<br />
Then again, the greatest bliss is to be in God's presence, and seeking that leads towards long term inner peace and increased desire to help the world. But relying on our own desires is evidently dangerous.</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/LondonLabourParty/videos/923713701350402/"><span class="fwb">London Living Wage</span></a></div>
Awesome.<br />
But I'm constantly aware that people elsewhere in the world earn only several £ per day, producing things that we use. Could there not be a little more discussion in the political sphere about the human beings who aren't privileged enough to be born here, and who are suffering because of the historical and corporate greed that's made Britain rich?<br />
Much of the greatest agony, and the sit<span class="text_exposed_show">uations in which we can £for£ make the most difference, is amongst sweatshop and plantation workers who work 12+ our days in painful and dangerous conditions whilst earning barely enough to eat more than rice, and have no welfare state, NHS nor opportunities. We should be pressuing the government to enforce regulations on corporations so that they are made to pay and treat the world's most exploited workers better.</span><br />
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I'm still unclear about, and keen to know what you, <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=135775283156412&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARDDAuInxHK4zc8bIhRSRXtOTzdWW03lgk1BgSlHp6yAw8si7375i1C6jqzjRa2BX4frDCzsj0XvwEA5%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/Maajid-Nawaz-135775283156412/?eid=ARDDAuInxHK4zc8bIhRSRXtOTzdWW03lgk1BgSlHp6yAw8si7375i1C6jqzjRa2BX4frDCzsj0XvwEA5&fref=tag">Maajid Nawaz</a>, mean by Islam(?). I understand, and am grateful for, your distinction between it and Islamism - but how do you define Islam itself? We uninformed anglo-Brits need to better understand the diversity in Britain and beyond, but media informs us only about conflicts, not the underlying concepts that may or may not be worth defending. How would you define Muslim, given that you consider yourself to be one? I feel that more discussion about actual beliefs themselves might help slightly in addressing the strains of identity politics that fuel division.<br />
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Christianity is, by definition, to follow Christ. Evangel means good news - ie, that Jesus defeated death and makes a way to heaven possible for anyone who comes to Him. He spent His life prior to this commanding people to love others. So regardless of what people who label themselves as Christians do, don't base your opinion of God on anything other than Him himself.<br />
From here in the UK, I wonder<span class="text_exposed_show"> why Democrats are so keen to support abortion that they argue passionately in support of it given that doing so leads to votes which hurt social justice; ie, if they stopped arguing for abortion, many Christians, keen to help the poor, would consider voting for them. Because Democrats argue, so far as Christian see it, in support of allowing killing, some Christians feel unable to vote for them and ultimately refugees and the working classes are less likely to receive support because Republicans win. If Clinton weren't pro-late term abortion, Trump wouldn't have won and there'd be better prospects for impoverished people. Why does the Democrat party not give up their support of the option of destroying tiny humans so that they can gain the power needed to help the poor?</span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/323754638424908/"><span class="fwb">This Planned Parenthood Video Is Changing the Conversation</span></a></div>
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Planned Parenthood profits from encouraging sex then sucking the resulting tiny humans up and selling their body parts. How exactly does it help tackle injustice?</div>
<i>If you don't offer to adopt the babies the women abandon, or at least help them through pregnancy and at least the first three years of life of that baby, then you don't have a say about it. Cause is very easy to be pro-birth, and once they born walk away. </i><br />
I'm strongly in support of women and children in poverty receiving support. But that's not ultimately the issue, because women aren't simply pregnant because of something that happened to them over which they have no control. 1% of abortions are the result of rape, but all others result from a choice. Maareeny Edwards, it's not about opposing women's rights, it's about believing that women have a choice - and if they choose to have sex, they don't the have the right to destroy the resulting human being. I've never argued that children are a "burden to society" - don't base your opinions of all of those opposed to abortion on statements made a small number of other individuals.<br />
<i>Now let's travel back during the times when abortion was illegal and birth control was not being used nor shown as an option. When women used cloth hangers and shoved them up their vaginas and into the womb, scrapping them around to get whatever they can out. Or by being beaten or pouring chemicals inside themselves to force a miscarriage. Then let's talk about dumpster/ally babies. Those are babies that were born, but left in a dumpster or ally because the mother just didn't want the baby. Dumpster/ally babies should be something "pro-lifers" should be afraid of it happening again because that era of time is about to make a comeback. An era of time when women's death were sky high because of them having homemade abortions and suicide. Also when actual death of babies were also sky high.</i><br />
I, and most opposed to abortion, are deeply concerned about women being hurt by coat hangers and by babies left in alleys - but why is the reason that that happens is that people - influenced massively by corporate culture's influence on social norms - choose to have sec, then choose to get rid of the human that results. Why do you blame politicians instead?<br />
If it weren't for Planned Parenthood, far fewer teenagers would feel compelled to start having sex - PP give the message that it's fundamental and that not having it is abnormal, so that they can profit from carrying out abortions, and sometimes by then selling the body parts.<br />
<i>what are you taking about Planned Parenthood doesn’t encourage sex. They educate people who have decided to be sexually active. Having sex is natural, trying to stop people from having sex is the unnatural thing.</i><br />
Natural and unnatural when and according to who? It's not natural to use medical interventions to destroy the human that naturally results from the choice to have sex.<br />
I didn't say that it's only for procreation - but the brain is designed for monogamy (oxytocin released in sex causes pair bonding), and we have ample options for contraception, so it's entirely possible to enjoy life without sex; then have sex once married and use contraception to plan when pregnancies happen, but also be in a stable relationship with someone you're committed to so that you can love and support an unexpected pregnancy if one occurs.<br />
<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2qy7r2Yojgk/XCBAPltNWPI/AAAAAAAAAjg/RGID9uyP2tIfqryDacwYK9XrYp-GJUE8wCLcBGAs/s1600/e1ffde06c549952f4d451318c844117f.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="389" data-original-width="466" height="267" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2qy7r2Yojgk/XCBAPltNWPI/AAAAAAAAAjg/RGID9uyP2tIfqryDacwYK9XrYp-GJUE8wCLcBGAs/s320/e1ffde06c549952f4d451318c844117f.jpg" width="320" /></a>Sex on TV/film, in magazines, in porn etc has given people the impression that sex is necessary as soon as they're old enough - and huge profit is made from selling that media. That's unnatural - and I'm certainly not opposed to TV/film (I am oppose to porn, that's another debate), but it's heartbreaking how it's changed people's attitudes and life choices. Ultimately the change is driven by commercial greed; sex sells.<br />
<i>no one can make you do anything with your body that you don’t consent to. NO ONE. even if your sibling would die without a kidney transplant and you were brain dead they can’t take it from you unless you’re a donor. Even when someone else’s life depends on it and you’re not even around to use the kidney they can’t take it from you. Why would you think it’s okay to force someone to carry a fetus to term? It’s legitimately the woman’s right to choose, not anyone else. No, abortion isn’t a great thing, people aren’t going out and having unprotected sex for the purpose of creating another life but sometimes it happens and when it does someone needs to take responsibility for that. When a woman gets an abortion it’s not something she does lightly, it’s her owning up to her mistake. Would you rather she be forced into carrying it to term? Forced to live a certain way, eat/not eat certain things, to give up her body for 9 months all to create something she doesn’t want? Something she despises. Do you want a baby to be born into this world knowing that it’s parents didn’t want it? Knowing that they shouldn’t have been born but the mother had no choice? Do you want our orphanages overflowing? Just asking.</i><br />
Pregnancy isn't someone forcing a woman to carry a baby, it's the biological result of a choice she's made. You argue that no one has the right to another's body, but you're arguing that a woman has the right to tear up the body of the human inside her.<br />
The solution is better access to contraception, inc. tuboligation, and less penetrative sex - not to kill tiy humans or leave children in orphanages.<br />
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<a href="https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-court-cross-20181102-story.html" target="_blank">Supreme Court to decide on 40-foot cross: Is it a war memorial or an official display of religion?</a><br />
Does that mean that some argue it should be taken down if deemed "religious"?<br />
If so, why? How is it in any way harmful to anyone to have it on display? Jesus died on the cross - because He upset *religious* leaders, and defeated death making a way open to anyone to have eternal life (heaven) through Him. It's not discriminatory, everyone is equally welcomed by Him. He spent His life teaching people to love others and avoid violence - so why should a symbol reminding people of Him be thought controversial?<br />
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It's genuinely harmful, I can't understand how Vice can honestly think that porn is moral cause to defend. https://fightthenewdrug.org/how-consuming-porn-can-lead.../</div>
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<i>I could write an article on how reading the Bible can lead to violence.</i></div>
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Jesus made it clear that we should avoid violence - love our enemies, turn the other cheek, treat others as we would want to be treated. The Bible contains historical accounts of complex situations in which there was indeed violence, but it's Jesus who actually provides a universal understanding of God's character and who teaches us how to live.</div>
<i>Because porn is not harmful, and it can be moral. If there was no porn, I'd definitely cause violence to bring porn back. I'm sorry that your puritanical impulses prevent you from seeing the positive in an adult art form.</i><br />
Why do you think that it's not harmful? The website that I linked to highlights loads of academic research showing that it is - but there's plenty more on other sites and PubMed.<br />
<i>If anything porn has made me more submissive porn doesn't make people like things people look for porn of things they like. porn doesn't cause problems people with problems will have problems with or without porn. Also the bible is like the least moral thing in the world just because jesus wasn't a dick doesn't excuse all the shit god did in the old testament. Why did god feel the need to wipe out 2 cities but couldn't even bother to tell lots daughters not to rape their dad? gods has done worse but my point is he chose not to tell the angels he sent to tell lots daughters not to rape their dad. Personally i think he destroyed sodom and gomorrah just to fap to lot getting raped by his daughters. I dont completely blame him after all femdom incest is the best porn to fap to but he could have done it without destroying 2 cities.</i><br />
<i>Didn't he flood the entire Earth? I don't know about you, but that sounds like the greatest act of terrorism and violence in history.</i></div>
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<i>yea gods has done worse but my point is he chose not to tell the angels he sent to tell lots daughters not to rape their dad. Personally i think he destroyed sodom and gomorrah just to fap to lot getting raped by his daughters. I dont completely blame him after all femdom incest is the best porn to fap to but he could have done it without destroying 2 cities.</i>Fapping involves human flesh, so why you think God does it is beyond me. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because the people were evil, hence them wanting to gang rape the angels. Lot's daughters getting him drunk is obviously wrong, but not the same as penetrative gang rape.<br />
How much have you investigated the account of Noah? The flood happened because everyone was evil. God was cleansing humanity to stop the evil and allow for Earth to be repopulated with humans who weren't all raping and killing each other.<br />
You complain about people dying in the OT - but do you not believe that people are merely evolved masses of molecules? In which case why, and how, do you care?<br />
All human beings die eventually - what happened in the incidents of the flood and of Sodom and Gomorrah, was that lives were ended more quickly, without anyone left greiving, in a setting where life was a horrific experience, for the specific purpose of eradicating extreme evil.<br />
Ultimately, Jesus defeated death and offers heaven to everyone. The OT is endlessly difficult to understand - will you reject Jesus because of it?<br />
<i>Lol... The bible goes back what, maybe 5000 years? Explain gobekli tepe. Your argument is invalid.</i><br />
What about it? It's as though you think that we believe God dropped the Bible out of the sky at the beinning of creation. We don't.<br />
The Bible is a compilation of texts written when scribes wrote down accounts of what had happened previously; the fact that temples existed somewhere first doesn't invalidate Christianity.<br />
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I love Ben & Jerry's, but the cost of a tub can feed a starving child for a month (via <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=109934439031299&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARAVT-6Rm_uLaIi1VsGI_yZxGQNs8gAPi85xjK5o9eBUpsHgcM5f88tEKoPt4tRCwEnKLVaDEKTS6FBv%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/lgfth/?eid=ARAVT-6Rm_uLaIi1VsGI_yZxGQNs8gAPi85xjK5o9eBUpsHgcM5f88tEKoPt4tRCwEnKLVaDEKTS6FBv&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry USA</a>), so I think I'll stick to the cheapest ice cream available and donate more.<br />
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The song encapsulates actual Christianity; not a tribal identity, but that we follow Christ in awe of the sacrifice that He made for us.<br />
God's Riches At Christ's Expense - to spend eternity in God's presence, heaven, is an offer open to EVERYONE because of what Jesus did, though none of us deserve it.<br />
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<span class="fwb">LOL, keep up Times, light parties have been going on for years. I ran several a decade ago. We don't like that kids are conned into celebrating evil. </span><br />
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What do you mean? Halloween is the modern, commercialised form of Samhain. Druid priests roamed villages demanding things for them to sacrifice, and cursed households that didn't pay enough - this evolved into trick or treating. Pagan people dressed as ghouls and carved evil faces into vegetables because they believed that the dead roamed the Earth at this time. Human sacrifices, inc. children and babies, were made - hence bonefire > bonfire. The Church tried to take over the festival, but the pagan traditions all re-emerged; and witches always continued to celebrate the festival with casting of spells, orgies etc.</div>
<i>The Hebrews were more than keen to indulge in a bit of sacrifice, casting of spells and orgies. The Christians keen on the odd inquisition here and there and priests do love to lift up their cassocks and Roger the younger members of their congregation.</i></div>
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The Hebrews' incidents of participating in paganism were opposing God, so I'm not sure what that point has to do with the Church (?).<br />
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The same applies to abuse by priests - choosing to enter a profession doesn't mean that one's heart/mind is actually committed to following the founder of that institution- and some/most abusive priests will have been abusers who entered priesthood because they wanted opportunities to access victims. It enrages God. And why does your comment imply that all priests are abusers? The vast majority are not. But you seem to have missed my point. My comment mentioned Churches - and only a minority of Churches have priests - I've never met one.<br />
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Put those crosses down you numpties. Jesus died on a cross because we're all sinners in need of forgiveness; acting as bullies shows that you aren't following Him at all, so you've rejected His offer of redemption and thus His sacrifice has nothing to do with you. The cross was about putting others first; Jesus humbling Himself - to use it like a war flag for intimidating others is sheer stupidity.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2018%2F10%2F29%2F18015400%2F2018-midterm-elections-evangelical-christians-trump-approval%3Futm_campaign%3Dvox.social%26utm_content%3Dvoxdotcom%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR1J4aeqDEMIJNHLenHuoS6zbs5ivlA9x59ede21YdOhtW16KzROmaZwpFM&h=AT2eyyjDmHosOECbPoQio6nVDmFCm-Yr5_JBCCkNXFspR3e7okC4o-oDOoz9VaiFT-XK87x1pPIDYxYJ0kWC22t68pb4LMRdjJ0YEeN96AjiCfnTUK-Fc5dFwHGUd4v_DlNhqg" href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/29/18015400/2018-midterm-elections-evangelical-christians-trump-approval?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1J4aeqDEMIJNHLenHuoS6zbs5ivlA9x59ede21YdOhtW16KzROmaZwpFM" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">White evangelicals are the sleeping giant of the 2018 midterms</span></a></div>
How do you define "evangelical"? There are a lot of people who attach labels to themselves and actually don't fit what the label means. Christian, by definition, means a person who is truly desperate to follow Christ and emulate His teaching and example; and Evangelical is a word from evangel meaning good news. Evangelical thus is to know that Jesus defeated death, and offers everyone a way to hea<span class="text_exposed_show">ven through His sacrifice, resulting in wanting to live for Him and proclaim Him to the world. <br />Please don't let the unChristlike things that have come to be associated with Christianity of Evangelicalism to dissuade you from Christ Himself, whose commands make it clear that some of Trump's policies are very, very wrong.</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="async" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D34J95Ev3wy4%26fbclid%3DIwAR3UBvgwmCko18LNk8Uzl2otC1pq4vpCuVHPrOlptmVgWeDkmIykcXdzOpE&h=AT0jeFf_zxGuAoDC2cOrfiaMwLGAzQ_XEvMpR2fMkkYVb6kGdinlp6EPPuAZTwVjlo3uA1rGHI2DQ6Iurc7Db1xprfiXgDHfLL-c8gbmT0O-LD8mjBbdTY_FjtynsniIuqq3-g5v9C-_piij5ko" data-savefrom-ed="1" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34J95Ev3wy4&fbclid=IwAR3UBvgwmCko18LNk8Uzl2otC1pq4vpCuVHPrOlptmVgWeDkmIykcXdzOpE" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Fierce Network of Moms Protecting LGBTQ Youth</span></a></div>
Shouldn't parents fight our culture's obsession with sexuality? Young people are growing up in a society that defines us by sex - but sex has nothing to do with a person's life and actions aside from their interactions with one person. Kids should feel priceless and unique for their personalities and interests - and that their loved beyond comprehension by God - rather than by sex, especially befo<span class="text_exposed_show">re adulthood. Crucially, hormonal changes mean that many children feel things as they're growing that are temporary, so young people shouldn't be encouraged to consider that what they're feeling is who they are. Obviously, bullying MUST be addressed, and its victims MUST be supported - but I don't see how it's wise or loving to affirm labels. They so much more than that.</span><br />
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Do we really need Vice's guidance on whether or not to create human beings? I can't have kids, but if I were able, I think I'd decide myself without Vice's help, thanks. Why presume that people other than you are driven by stereotypes anyway, as though you're free thinking and everyone else is brainwashed by "outdated" tradition?<br />
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Should it not instead be that everyone recognises armistice regardless of background? Should it not be something that transcends our differences?<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffox17online.com%2F2018%2F10%2F26%2Fboy-with-spina-bifida-bags-his-first-deer-shares-proud-photos%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2O0T_xi9Cx33YKT0rWk7dPs0p5ZuNG8uQvx7UDxo0RVO9ee8MeI7NRTCU&h=AT1AQD-fnvIvPl4waTzJMODOvsdR5XFN_4w5kb4p1bQr6x9VZwOL62vaOcCAouY5D9DNZgmZHvZ4O-ay6z5Z6fOOHvvQLepQycs05WkBxx6v6Plom23zJ8MGRXF9vkqS7ImL2A" href="https://fox17online.com/2018/10/26/boy-with-spina-bifida-bags-his-first-deer-shares-proud-photos/?fbclid=IwAR2O0T_xi9Cx33YKT0rWk7dPs0p5ZuNG8uQvx7UDxo0RVO9ee8MeI7NRTCU" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Boy with Spina Bifida bags his first deer, shares proud photos</span></a></div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2F2018%2F10%2Fis-your-halloween-costume-woke-enough%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1T354oIQNVEC831W8mdzzyX0zKo8XEvhHCs571jVUzl1yAgWLKtovbKss&h=AT0zrxyBeosIS1TjI874mwmo33N8-aCafqTB7Sb5bKjkShghgI_H04ONoVpZ3fCObY_132mCU3ZrU_Cs5dgIEFF2Q8uzOqL9IdU_J-YAuzGgpGnabEZKytOU-5uD13rits-VKg" href="https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/is-your-halloween-costume-woke-enough/?fbclid=IwAR1T354oIQNVEC831W8mdzzyX0zKo8XEvhHCs571jVUzl1yAgWLKtovbKss" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The horror of choosing a Halloween costume </span></a><br />
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<i>And witches appropriated it from Christianity. The conveyor belt of cultural appropriation keeps trundling round.</i></div>
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Yup, on the same day that the media was celebrating surgery being carried out in the womb.<br />
This is why I've just cancelled my Labour membership. Abortion is complex topic, but I can't get my head around how people believe that it's right to kill tiny humans. There should absolutely be provision made for exceptional cases like that brought up by Anna Soubry yesterday (ie, certainty that that foetus is inviable or that the pregnancy will be fatal to the mother) - but such cases account for only several% of abortions.<br />
The core issue is that culture teaches us that sex is a necessity. We're each infinitely more valuable than sexuality, and there's an endless array of things to enjoy in life other than sex. But because "sex sells", we've been drowned in media that lies to us that we need sex to be normal and fulfiled. The damage to physical and emotional wellbeing across society is endless - and tiny humans get suctioned to pieces, or torn limb from limb, in the process of clearing up the biological outcome of sexual choice (NB, literally1% or fewer abortions follow rape, so in 99% of abortion cases a choice has already been made, opposing abortion is not "forcing") Increasing access to abortion will mean more killing and long term harm to women.<br />
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NB - ambulances were called a total of 466 times at London abortion clinics over the last year. http://tinyurl.com/y77n75nj<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmashable.com%2Farticle%2Fgender-definition-science-trump%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Sw1ZFK9QQ1GfUUAFY8fCiBN_JcWKDJ9uJDxowij0h10oDyCUtC0yz8jA&h=AT2W-VFJcLpand3G57w4YpYEZ8t3T-8M2-cYAlsDvCKnAVyZ1SEVxKFlc59Ph17VuCco5zBm5gF98T6xNdEZCusxF1Zh11i5UjfeHcVnhkP49Vf8pRWetHM1-ET8sg7qCA-hpA" href="https://mashable.com/article/gender-definition-science-trump/?fbclid=IwAR1Sw1ZFK9QQ1GfUUAFY8fCiBN_JcWKDJ9uJDxowij0h10oDyCUtC0yz8jA" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Trump administration says there are two sexes. The science says they're wrong.</span></a></div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2F2018%2F10%2F23%2F18014314%2Fmuseum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries-fakes%3Futm_campaign%3Dvox.social%26utm_content%3Dvoxdotcom%26utm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook%26fbclid%3DIwAR2Cmi55FatH1DKj98wQvYaj84PBrqHisxb0NXwx3fF8RuuwUW5451W8ShA&h=AT3gNVQeMrs82QL8MoeKdqlvW9i3rkvM4xuaAarOPMp5nOeVhbsMz5sb0wNXzItpJUy2J2iM7SOpe7sb2B6kzhr2reDLyU7IyPhnpf55Clr5VCQH_frwQpU28u0nDBfTR1Kk9A" href="https://www.vox.com/2018/10/23/18014314/museum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries-fakes?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Cmi55FatH1DKj98wQvYaj84PBrqHisxb0NXwx3fF8RuuwUW5451W8ShA" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Several of the Museum of the Bible’s prized holdings are forgeries</span></a><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">NB - There are some fakes, which can be identified, the implication being that there are authentic copies. In fact, there are many, many, many more manuscripts for the Bible than for any comparable historical text. Because the events are the most significant in human history. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bible.ca%2Fef%2Ftopical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1I8JrFHawGHuZ69LZFZV7THmPC-ANjoh4_cpuMYG5dmjLlZ7qPYTTuYvA&h=AT3xnJiEl0G_GllYOrTpXZlyi3JznvxH3_SRmU4Vpa1UKS-YaKZKvEvnHrlMPdT7tqyrQl6GPVa86ietT9askTRsajgRfcTyeRAM9dCQRyJxqOVOXtgIsThOmR-UfGjilZKD" dir="ltr" href="http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm?fbclid=IwAR1I8JrFHawGHuZ69LZFZV7THmPC-ANjoh4_cpuMYG5dmjLlZ7qPYTTuYvA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.bible.ca/.../topical-the-earliest-new...</a></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">the book was written over the course of many generations, same with the manuscripts and scrolls, many not ever included in the bible, the council of nicea eradicated many of the non conformist texts..... and still more were found to be unrelated texts, derivatives, or downright fake. The entire history of the bible is proof that it's man creation and nothing more, a fiction to control the masses, Christians around the time of nicea, and all those after =sheeple. Imo.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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O<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">f course the Bible was written over many generations, it's a compilation of 66 separate texts. The process of getting rid of some texts that you mentioned was for the purpose of refining it, so that only perfectly credible writings were included in what is now the Bible. But some of the excluded texts and the writings of the Church fathers demonstrate that the events - most importantly, Jesus' teaching, death and resurrection, were not fabrications, they were real events witnessed and discussed widely. "Sheeple"? People were being literally killed, in the most brutal ways, en masse for following Jesus - they followed Him because they knew that He truly had defeated death, not because it was easy or fun to follow Him.</span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OoRXCrfOYeA/XCRLo8IMwBI/AAAAAAAAAko/Z6_oXEjEixA_tH9ij6z1NNEWuoMF1wNtACLcBGAs/s1600/6290510-o4gsb31fczj11-1536051520-728-7d5243eb91-1538819955.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="728" data-original-width="728" height="320" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OoRXCrfOYeA/XCRLo8IMwBI/AAAAAAAAAko/Z6_oXEjEixA_tH9ij6z1NNEWuoMF1wNtACLcBGAs/s320/6290510-o4gsb31fczj11-1536051520-728-7d5243eb91-1538819955.jpg" width="320" /></a><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">There isn't a single aspect of the Bible that lends itself credibility to supernatural claims. Additionally it's the most morally reprehensible dumpster fire that I've ever read.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Could you clarify that sentence? Are you saying that the Bible lacks credibility because of its supernatural claims, or that its supernatural claims should have more credibility? Are you presupposing naturalism? On what basis if so?<br />How do you define morality whe you deem the Bible morally reprehensible? Where do your morals come from and how do you know that they're correct or superior to those of other people, or the Bible? Indeed, there's much within it that's horrific but it's an account of ancient history, not simply a set of commands, and each part needs thorough study of context. Ultimately it's Jesus who most clearly reveals God's character and who gives us the most timeless instruction as to how to live.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>There is no evidence that presents any substantiation for supernatural claims. For example, Bethlehem existing does not mean a man walked on water. The collapse of a particular city does not mean there's a creator diet</i><i>y. There is no corresponding evidence that supports supernatural claims made by the Bible. There are plenty of natural physical claims - certain people and places existing, certain events happening. But none of that gives any substance to a supernatural claim made by the Bible. As far as morality is concerned, I will agree that morality is subjective. However utilitarianism, by far, is the most recognizably superior matrix by which to assess actions, and I would argue that for conversational purposes, whether or not a particular action is moral really only matters to the people having this conversation right now. But that aside, gods character is the most immoral of all the characters. His system is "worship me or burn forever." "What you do in the next 80 oddyears youre alive will determine your eternity." </i></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">How do you know that "there is no evidence"? I get the impression that you've not considered the arguments that Christians academics actually make. No one's saying that "Bethlehem existing does means that a man walked on water.", nor that "The collapse of a particular city means that there's a creator diety." I grew up thinking that the idea of the supernatural was ridiculous. Plenty of claims of it are. But as I studied science, it became clear that there must be a designer - and sometimes He, therefore, can break the laws of nature since He instigated them.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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I agree that utilitarianism is generally a good idea - but what we observe might not be all that there is. When life is perfect, we ignore God, and will miss out on heaven. When we seek God in difficult times, He gives amazing comfort, and we can find eternal life.<br />
Throughout history and around the world, there have been/are many people whose lives have been far, far, far less comfortable than ours are in the 21st century West, but who've followed God, and consequently had the deep inner joy and strength - and who'll have endless joy free of sadness as a result.</div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">orshipping God isn't a labourious task as you seem to imply, it's truly the most exciting thing human beings can do. The idea that people "burn forever" is a highly dubious (mis?)interpretation of the Bible propogated by some Churches to scare people into donating more. Things that burn, burn up. So if a person chooses not to spend eternity with God by accepting Jesus' offer, they'll be gone. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Frethinkinghell.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0u2Wn-VdefmJDZB1rZ8vqy_FG0c_FuDqOQSaSTRHG1kZdIXHVrsvMgkXk&h=AT0wcNl75Xq22njjQ8tlD7-FGsu5AXPRBlOlf5dlNpB-a2AbXGh9xMYSdWCQTD9jaCEWzS_ZFLJ6Y2IynDtCwT60mgxQapj0TjZdF4MifxkHyUFA7QkEIqvaUPdVczIybFRh" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://rethinkinghell.com/</a><br />And it's certainly not "What you do in the next 80 oddyears youre alive will determine your eternity." - we are each offered eternal life (heaven) on the basis of what Christ has done. If we've genuinely accepted Him, we will develop a desire to do good, but it's not our actions that determine where we spend eternity.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Of course you know what cuts abortion rates to like 25% of their current levels? Free IUD programs! Do you support those? I don't recognize anybody who doesn't support free IUD programs as "pro-life" since they clearly do not actually care about reducing abortion rates.</span></span></span></i></div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hat's needed is a change in the messages that society feeds people about sex. But yes, free IUDs are definitely something I'd support.</span></span></span></div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hen did I say that I'm in favour of coat hangers being used?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">My psychological health would tank straight to suicide if I was forced to be pregnant. But you don't care about that, you care more about a jumble of undeveloped organs and tissues more than you'd ever care about me.</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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O<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">f course I care. Not supporting abortion doesn't mean not caring about the women involved. But no one's "forcing" anyone to be pregnant, other than in the 1% of cases resulting from rape.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Refusing to give a woman an abortion is more like likely to adversely affect her mental health</span></span></span></i></div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B0fwG2z_OAk/XCRLp-ybwcI/AAAAAAAAAks/60lgX1VdMqoJ7nqX-W5j5LjaeRqgIhkmQCLcBGAs/s1600/7714210--0048366001541674352-728-d3cff0041a-1542966968.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="475" data-original-width="728" height="208" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B0fwG2z_OAk/XCRLp-ybwcI/AAAAAAAAAks/60lgX1VdMqoJ7nqX-W5j5LjaeRqgIhkmQCLcBGAs/s320/7714210--0048366001541674352-728-d3cff0041a-1542966968.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">If someone is denied something, they will feel resentful, and that frustration could well spiral. It doesn't tell us that a person would in fact have been happier if they'd had what they thought that wanted. A teenager might want to eat junkfood all day, or to go clubbing in a dangerous area - they'll absolutely report poor mental health if asked how being disallowed those requests made them feel, it doesn't mean that those things would have actually been beneficial to their mental health.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">please don't fool yourself into thinking that your forced birth bullshit isn't obvious. You'd deny women a safe, legal abortion. Own your cruelty.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i></div>
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I<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">t's not forced, or cruelty, it's biology after one chooses to have sex. Personally, I reckon it's cruel to suck/tear/chop a tiny human into pieces, but perhaps you disagree?<br />But I'm not trying to argue, and I'm iltimately not in charge nor judging the women themselves, I'm just commenting on tragedy within our society. Because we've been taught that sex is as essential part of life for everyone ASAP, countless people are eventually emotionally hurt, and tiny humans are killed. It upsets me. I'm not looking for a fight.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">all unwanted pregnancies are caused by unwanted ejaculate. Women can have orgasms all day long and it won't cause a pregnancy. The problem is men having orgasms and not taking responsibility for the ejaculate. Don't demonize women having sex. It's not only fun, it's healthy. And aborting a fetus is not tearing up a tiny human. The brain isn't developed until after 23 weeks. In the first 14 weeks when most abortions occur, it's a cluster of cells.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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Forced bu"The brain isn't developed until after 23 weeks. In the first 14 weeks when most abortions occur, it's a cluster of cells." where are you getting that from? Last year a prize was awarded for a medical paper on how foetal facial expressions change when music is played. We're each a cluster of cells, that' what a human being is - a foetus is most definitely a human with its own unique g<span class="text_exposed_show">enome that dictates the adult they'll grow into, I think that what you mean by cluster of cells is a blastocyst, or perhaps embryo, which it will be at several weeks, not up to 14 weeks. <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehd.org%2Fdev_article_unit12.php%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1aK8VqdfoZQZd90oTBbzcyfCFFkTBpLj4RVnObAYSBZACvLkd29kUbbAQ%23fb9&h=AT3-12JTCbcAB-Ha0bTjZ5R-fSEhKI3PmKSFRfhzMCHwk5YfjTMcxZcyThxMljCEG1YCI5bFRLaMBClL5tl5bQxzZihLnir0hnzEbC8weYHyaCao0S6QDoEzn-SDiKRgVXchCDZF" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ehd.org/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>dev_article_unit12.php#fb9</a><br />Sex might be fun, but plenty of other things are as well. Our culture has taught us that sex is fundamental to who we are as people, which is degrading; and hat we can't be happy without it, which is patently false.<br />I entirely agree that men should take more responsibility.</span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">of course you aren't. You'll just spread lies and then pretend that you didn't. I think it's cruel when women bleed out from botched abortions. I think it's cruel when people like you work to prevent women from accessing birth control. The tragedy is that you sick, forced birther care nothing about the child after it's born. It's all about controlling women.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Of course I'm not what? What lies have I spread?<br />And why on Earth do you presume that I oppose birth control? I think that we need most for attitudes to sex to change so that it isn't needed, but I'm most definitely not opposed to birth control.<br />I never said that I think it's OK for women to suffer in botched abortions. A woman who doesn't want her baby isn't forced to have a dangerous freelance abortion if abortions aren't legal and easy - she has other options. <br />Are you unaware that women bleed out even when abortion is legal and free? Here in London, 466 ambulance calls were made within a year by abortion clinics - 466 times in one city, in one year, where abortion provided by corporations like Marie Stopes - not in back alleys - led to women having to be rushed to hospital.<br />Why exactly am I sick, and how can you know that my motive is to "control women" simply because I hate the idea of tiny humans being torn up? It's a fallacy of logic to argue by assuming someone else's motive.</span></span></span><br />
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Perhaps - but the more we choose cheap options and cut out non-necessities, the more we can help people for whom even clean water is exciting. I love that we can totally transform lives amazingly cost effectively. Eg, every $6 can feed a starving child for a month with Feed The Hungry USA ; $38 can sponsor a child for a month providing lessons, mentoring, bedding and more with Compassion International; $100 could give a family clean water for the first time with Samaritan's Purse etc...It's genuinely exciting <span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Cheap options in turn create abuse of workers somewhere else</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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And he's deemed the virtuous, super friendly Superman of the Western world, right? Who cares if he supplies war resources to a murdering state?<br />
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Perhaps there's nothing to the allegations. But then, according to Krauss, nothing is something.<br />
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">perhaps start with the severe poverty in the UK before you look elsewhere.</span></span></span></i> </div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> Defined how? Indeed some British people are in poverty and policies should be developed to address inequality - but there are human beings elsewhere without clean water, health care or electricity, living in slums or on the streets - and £for£, donations that we give to help them can make a far greater difference.</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yes she's in the UK now and we have poverty here, charity begins ant home first not abroad!!</span></span></i></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I hear (read) it all the time "Charity begins at home". But tell me - why?<br />When we have an NHS, benefits, emergency services, school without fees, and opportunities - as imperfect as I know they are - why hould we help people here before helping people abroad who don't have those things?<br />"Charity begins at home" has no logical or evidential basis, it's just an excuse for those who'd rather give to human beings more similar to them, feeling that people in Africa are somehow less deserving of clean water, food and homes. It's non-sensical.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">some people? Quite a large number of children live below the poverty line, and there are people in the UK who live without electricity, or clean water, and on the streets. Stop trying to fix other people's problems and fix the UK first, or do we not matter because it's more expensive?</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">As I said, I'm desperate for the government to help the poor here - but you're misunderstading the situation if you think that the poverty here is comparable to that ein developing countries. What poverty line are you referring to? It's relative poverty - ie. compared to other peope in Britain, so that by nature, sadly, there'll always be people below it. The real poverty line is that used by the UN of $1.90 per day. below which 40% of people in Africa live. And they don't have food banks, benefits, free healthcare etc like we do.<br />I'm not saying that I don't care about the injustice here - but it's wrong to ignore injustice that's far more severe just because the people suffering aren't like us. And they are our problem, because it's historical and corporate greed that's made our nation rich by exploiting theirs.</span></span></span><br />
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When was it that one's genitals or what they do with them stand as any barrier to going for a hike? Contrary to what Mashable and others seem to think, there's much to life that's urelated to sex, and hiking is one of those things. Either way, there's no rationale in wearing heels to hed up into mountains. I wear heels everywhere else, and wear and check my makeup whilst hiking - but even I don't wear heels in the hills. It's not fair on the air ambulance crew that will have to pick you up when you fall.<br />
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"Need"? Nah. It's good to have an understanding of culture, but why on Earth should anyone feel compelled to follow other peoples' instructions about how we spend our free time?<br />
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Wow. One might have thought that the CofE might deem God's design/plan/wisdom to be of some significance, but maybe not.<br />
Can you really not see that there's a distinction between welcoming people and endorsing their discomfort with what God created? Are you unable to tell people that they are infinitely loved, and that Christ died for them, without agreeing with them that God made a mistake?</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">God's wisdom is beyond our understanding and in the complexity of gender and identity we can only marvel at God's works. There is no mistake by God (only by narrow human understandings of gender) therefore it is important that transgender people are given the fullest spiritual and pastoral support to be fully alive in God's image. This CofE comment is, necessarily, a holding response, and yet thankfully it acknowledges the excessive bureaucracy in the current process which is not welcoming nor affirming of transgender people as it should, and of course as the CofE rightly aspires to be.</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"Affirming"? Why "should" the CofE affirm the feeling that God has made a mistake? That IS the implication of saying that a person with XY chromosomes is female or vice versa. Indeed, people are diverse, so we should seek to rebut our society's stereotypes and obsession with sex - not label people as something which God did not plan them to be.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The mistake would be surely to insist that god's creation is wrong, that somebody's identity souls be defined by their genitalia rather than by what God made them inside.</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">What God made them inside? Defined how? The Bible makes it very clear that not everything we feel or think about ourselves is guidance from God. There's no theological nor scietific basis for the idea that someone is "born in the wrong body". If a person is male, they have testis inside and XY chromosomes in every body cell (other than RBCs and gametes obviously). That, and external genitalia, are what God has made. If they feel that they aren't male, it's because the feel disociated from the portrayal of what it means to be male that they've grown up with. And vice versa for those with XX chromosomes. So they need to know that they don't have to feel constrained by that; what makes them who they are are their personality traits; interests; and relationship with God.</span></span></span><br />
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Why does anyone want or need to read about his sexual prowess, or lack of, to determine their view of Trump? It's the Ad Hominem fallacy to attempt to win an argument by criticising an aspect of your opponent that's unrelated to the argument; trying to score points on the basis that he's unimpressive cheapens the oppostion to him.</div>
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Why not try Oxfam (they sell onine as well as in store)?<br />
Plenty of their items are by pricey, high quality brands/designes, and the money will make a genuine difference to someone's life.</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">the only people who benefit at Oxfam are management. Furthermore, earlier this year it was discovered that this particular charity likes it's victims to be ho's.</span></span></span></i></div>
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"Only people who benefit are the management" - how would you know? Have you investigated their operations and finances?<br />
The charities commission does. Charity Navigator does.<br />
The idea that the management of a charity takes all of its money is a baseless conspiracy theory. I agree that it's very wrong that the top management of most charities are on high salaries - the reason being<span class="text_exposed_show"> that they're individuals with business skills that grow the charities and who would work in the corporate field if they didn't have a high salary - but the % of the charities money that they're getting is so small it's not worth worrying about. <br />The fact that 1 pervert decided to work for Oxfam is - though in itself vile - irrelevant. He left years ago, and was only ever 1 of thousands of staff. And unfortunately, as the news endlessly reminds us, perverts are ubiquitous.</span><br />
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I agree that abortion itself is evil - but he women themselves are misled, not necesarily "vile". Calling them murderers only makes people more angry with those of us who oppose abortion.<br />
I fervetly believe that there's overwhelming evidence for the existence of God, and ample reasoning to trust Jesus - but His words aren't actually indicative of people burning eternally - things that burn <span class="text_exposed_show">burn up and are then etrnally gone. The idea that those in hell continue to experience torture forever is an invention of some Churches, it's not logical or Biblical. <br />Crucially - Jesus demonstrated victory over death and taught that anyone can be forgiven and reach heaven I they follow Him - so if a person were genuinely sorry for an abortion, or anything else, they certainly won't burn. We're ALL sinners in need of Him.</span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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Browsing their site, I discovered that one of their team is my High school's ex-chaplain. His bio on the site attempts to credit him with the school's expasion, which is bizarre. Truly infuriating though, is that apparently he refused to let one of the students on the chaplaincy team start a Bible study group. The sexuality debate is important in itself - but trivial by comparison to helping peo<span class="text_exposed_show">ple come to know and understand God through the Bible. That a "chaplain" would disallow a Bible study at a CofE school (though it's CofE, I found that very, very few of the students were Christian) is grotesque. So, aside from their stance on sexuality, which I strongly disagree with, I'm truly skeptical that the group has any interest in following Jesus whatsoever.</span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span></div>
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We're flipping fortunate - I'm heartbroken for those who've been affected by flooding in recent years, but most of us get to enjoy more livable weather than much of the world.<br />
It's wrong to entirely ignore the weather catastrophes that are causing extreme devestation in other parts of the globe. The Global Warming debate may be slightly controversial, but we shouldn't simply dismiss warnings when the suffering that weather is causing to human beings elsewhere is so extreme.</div>
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It's not just items, apparently (I follow Vice) you can also now choose "ethical porn" - which is more feminist and supportive of LGBTQ comunities than traditional porn.<br />
I weep for my generation.<br />
Plenty of whom, I suspect, would deem you immoral for attempting to "shame" people for their sexuality with the above title.<br />
Meanwhile, I've read that in Nepal the government is rightly banning porn (inc.<span class="text_exposed_show"> by imposing rules on ISPs) having had the common sense to recognise that it's been responsible for a 300% increase in sexual assault.<br />And media outlets aimed at my demographic are incomparably more keen to fight for sexual freedom as a moral crusade than fight against the poverty that people in Nepal and other developing countries face.<br />So, so, so depressing.</span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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It can do, if you're born into a community where you have to carry water every day; are forced into marraige as teenager; have no option for an education; live in a slum; have no electricity lack access to healthcare; struggle continually for enough food to survive; have no protection from a substantial threat of rape; live in a war zone; are forced to work 10+ hour days in a sweatshop or plantation; or any combination of those. Being a woman sucks for many women - but Amy Schumer is one of the most privileged human beings on the planet.<br />
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A huge amount of progress has been made in recent years to find solutions to address the damage done by systems started before the risks were known. Given how rapidly green energy has bdeveloped, how many many people are now concerned about the planet, and how many new technologies have been created to tackle enviromenta issue, it's plausible that wemight not be totally doomed....</div>
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Which scientific findings have proven that, exactly? <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="async" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2KVh-OyQLVIq2gsGtH0NQTSxR31-bDhsqn4erV8rDc-pCOxOtr-GgTsgM&h=AT316EC0ox4TpisbiZ4ftlPVLjIEAvMcK08p4oIpj_mS9A8cX7OX9x4EBhWlhqSbJKnHibVULoEd0WvE2_JIjcOHe82dZ3C7BGQGr1Sr89XYoTOne0Q5l96DDYnhFo_88FXTTr3_1DdiJpEH2VHU8g" href="http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/?fbclid=IwAR2KVh-OyQLVIq2gsGtH0NQTSxR31-bDhsqn4erV8rDc-pCOxOtr-GgTsgM" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://time.com/77676/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a><br />
God isn't composed of the matter and energy that science can examine - but science demonstrates the the complexity and interdependence of the universe and biological world mean that it couldn't have come about by chance.</div>
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Actual Christianity is to genuinely love Christ - having truly repented and accepted His offer of death in our place so that we ca be forgiven - such that we desire to emulate Him (live by His example and commands). It's not to follow the Pope (though hehas a lot of wise words), nor saints. The joy that a relationship with Jesus can bring; the good that some people do if they really try to live for Him; and the possibility of eternal life (heaven) are incomparably more important than religious institutions.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F10%2F16%2Fopinion%2Fdemocrats-liberals-nationalism-elections.html%3Fsmid%3Dfb-nytopinion%26smtyp%3Dcur%26fbclid%3DIwAR0lJU7HQ_nnYK_DaVt9OTr0hZOJVNlpp0VCH40r7BgY6jncvnhqWF7BRXI&h=AT0hdY9n3v0cYtJJj6uY2cbwYynWjkxmBBgcrQI1VnE_EV7Skm_9Uex5LHU1hKDMCYh0ZYOP0VRPlZHmy1YePp9G8HEJWQ8XPjtd7jf4VQfKFAsAuKphGw48ktGHEQun4TJxIg" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/opinion/democrats-liberals-nationalism-elections.html?smid=fb-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0lJU7HQ_nnYK_DaVt9OTr0hZOJVNlpp0VCH40r7BgY6jncvnhqWF7BRXI" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">The Left Needs Its Own Nationalism</span></a></div>
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Surely what's needed is less division; less putting everyone and every cause into left/right boxes; and less of people choosing sides on the basis of identity over aiming for positive outcomes?</div>
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I<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">ndeed - but some people seem to hold strongly to one side or another because they consider that side more favourably on account of considering themselves to be alligned on the basis of their left/right identity. <br />I've been told off many times about the existence of abortion when making comments in support of more compassion for migrants - ie. because I'm left leaning on most issues, I'm presumed to be pro-choice when in fact I'm pro-life. Obviously, me being misjudged doesn't matter, but we can't reach optimal outcomes if we just attack each other based on left/right presumptions and tribalism.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span></div>
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No, the gap between rich and poor - which has increased - is the reason to hike taxes.<br />
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<a href="http://journal.quilliaminternational.com/2018/10/16/enough-is-enough-quilliam-and-maajid-do-not-peddle-islamophobia/?fbclid=IwAR2KkWdvAk0Xo0WcrLhQJdgYzC0vkAOkKiRCtYbrKJKOQhsEgcWhN2NjmM0" target="_blank">Quilliam and Maajid do not ‘Peddle Islamophobia’ </a></div>
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Can someone explain this self-obsessed paranoia? Until recently, Russia was barely discussed at all here in the UK. With all due respect, most of us just aren't thinking about Russia. The poisoning thing has made us more dubious of Putin, but not all Russian people - and in general people give far more thought to Europe and the US. Why does RT have such a misunderstanding of how interested Westerners are in Russia?<br />
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It's awesome how much excitement we can bring to children in severe poverty when we provide simple things that we take forgranted.<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Churches are somewhere that anyone can go to hang out with mostly friendly people. They differ massively, so anyone trying should visit a few to find one that feels comfortable. There's no obligation to participate in anything that you don't want to or to contribute to the £offering. There's usually tea/coffee/biscuits after Sunday morning services, and most Churches have other social activities during the week. Unless entirely overstretched, Church staff teams will visit elderly and ill people.A relationship with God is truly more helpful to mood and mental health than anything else - and Jesus offers eternal life that's incomparably more exciting still. Yet Churches are open for anyone to visit irrespective of belief. More lonely people should try.</span></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span><br />
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I think you've fallen for an outdated stereotype. Churches vary, but there are plenty that aren't like what you're imagining.</div>
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It's very, very wrong that people buy helicopters for themselves when they could provide villages with clean water with that money - but it's disgusting that someones already added a laugh reaction to this post.<br />
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Why are you using a photo from a Trump protest?<br />
I'm sick of hearing about Brexit - I desperately want us to spend more time instead working out how to address Global inequality. People without clean water; people living in slums; and people working every waking hour in factories and plantations to provide things that we take forgranted, are of incomparably more concern to me than how Brexit might affect me.<br />
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I frequently comment, when poverty in/ migration from Africa is in the news, that we should be concerned because (in addition to the fact that they're every bit as human as us) the poverty is largely a result of greed by our nation. People say again and again that because colonialism was centuries ago we no longer have any responsibility. It's infuriating.<br />
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">because it's a real issue and with the current climate of Transphobia it needs addressing</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">As I said, bullying - transphobia - needs addressing; but this programme is about supporting a child's feeling of unhappiness with their own body.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Not about supporting a feeling of unhappiness, but about taking that unhappiness and working it through as a family and supporting the child to become who they really are.</span></span></span>I have no idea. I just knew, and I do indeed have xx chromosomes, but </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"Who they really are"? What does that mean? How is endorsing a person having surgery (not until adulthood I know) and lifelong injections to fight biology supporting becoming who they really are? They have XY chromosomes, and so if they feel awkward being male, it's because of things about being male that they've observed - they should be encouraged that they don't need to adhere to those stereotypes and that they are unique and priceless, not defined by sex.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">does that apply to a three year old that cries itself to sleep each night because it cannot understand why it is treated differently to other girls?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"It"? Why have you referred to a child as in it?<br />Differently how? </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">On what basis are you presuming that a 3 year old with xy chromosomes is what you claim that they are? </span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">when did know you was a girl I say at young age so people know they diffrent from young age</span></span></span></i> </div>
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I didn't think about it because I was just me. I had a few Barbies, but also Lego and wooden trains. My favourite games were imagining adventures with my soft toys. I liked some girly things, but I rarely wore dresses and I imagined being a warrior or spy rather than a princess. Each child is an individual, and trying to medicate them to be something that they aren’t to fit gender stereotypes is tragic. Let a boy play with the toys he wants to, statistically nearly all children who question their gender are happy with their birth gender when they're older - why re-enforce their dissatisfaction with their own body?</div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">This is funny, but entirely missing the point. When "female healtcare" means destroying tiny humans, pro-lifers object because the females receiving "healthcare" aren't the only humans involved. It's not merely about men ruling on what women can and can't do; it's about some humans wanting to stop some other humans from being suctioned to pieces, or chopped up.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Please name one female that objects to females receiving healthcare?</span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I didn't say that they did. The issue is that "female healthcare" is used to refer to procedures including killing of other tiny humans, and it's that which some people - male and female - object to.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">why are you following a humanist Facebook page? You're not going to change anyone's opinion with your Christian talking points.</span></span></span></i> </div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Because I want to better understand other views. Echo chambers aren't a good thing. And whilst I'm opposed to humanism, but I'm very keen to see humanitarianism promoted; it's good to follow pages like this and better understand things that I can agree with atheists about even whilst I firmly disagree about the ultimate issue.</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">LOL why do you presume that I'm A)in America and B)Right leaning? I'm a left leaning Brit, but I'm pro-life, because we don't all fit into 1of2 boxes.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Yes I'm opposed to war - though each is a complex situation and there may be some situations where action is needed to prevent further loss of life (such as fighting to stop the Nazis - though this ma well have been done in a more destructive manner than it should have). It infuriates me that so much is spent on "defense" - if I had the power, I'd transfer most military spending to spending on overseas development.<br />I'm absolutely pro-contraception and pro-sex ed, though kids should also be taught that, contrary to our culture which manipulates us because "sex sells", they don't need sex to enjoy life. Waiting until marriage before going all the way saves kids from STIs and heartbreak, but information and contraception should be available also.<br />Yes males - in general, each is an individual - should take more responsibility.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Basically in this argument of the tiny human versus the female human, you have to ask yourself which one has more president. Which one deserves more consideration for their personal autonomy. The tiny human AKA fetus which cannot live outside of its mother and is not fully developed, or the female human who is a free and independent entity. Does the fetus's right to life supercede the woman's right to not be forced to incubate it. Because denying people the right to abort if necessary or desired does exactly one thing: reduces women to the role of incubator.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Indeed the foetus isn't more important, however the female adult isn't in danger of being killed, and did (in 99%, according to PP's data) make the choice to have sex. The ideal would be to link up more couples wanting a baby with pregnant mothers who want rid of theirs, and also to encourage means of avoiding accidental conception.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">you're quite preachy and certain of your views for someone who wants to learn. If you truly wanted to learn, why didn't you begin with a question instead of a judgment?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The post was a joke based on a misrepresentation. What should I have asked?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I see why you're a Christian.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">LOL, why is that then? I think you mean that as an insult, presuming that "Christian" is synonymous with brainwashed, but it doesn't really work when that's not what the word means to me. What is it you think I believe and how do you "see" that I believe it?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Stop trying to push your ideals on me. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Check the box that says no.</span></span></span> </i></div>
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P<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ush my ideals? I have an opinion, and we all share opinions online. It's not about "if you don't want an abortion" - there's another human being who doesn't want to be chopped up but will be, and anyone can have an opnion on that.</span></span></span></div>
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F<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">orced? It's biology, resulting from the choice to have sex. There are kids awaiting adoption because, sadly but understandably, most adoptive parents want the experience of adopting at the beginning of a child's life, so have preference for a baby. The abortion process is very dangerous - even when legal and in a clinic, and leads plenty of women feeling emotionally hurt later on. </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">healthcare in the US is a big problem. Many Americans do not have healthcare, many more have inadequate and/or too expensive healthcare. Furthermore, reproductive healthcare and patient privacy is also well below what we it should be - as the meme insinuates, those making the laws about our healthcare system are old, Christian, white men. They are not basing their policies on science or equity. The argument isn't just about abortion.It's your opinion and your right to feel the human zygote, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus has a right to life. But that is your opinion -- where do you draw the line? Conception? Birth? Somewhere in between? How do you feel about miscarriage? Would you allow an abortion to save a woman's life? Where do you draw the line?</span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">it's very complex - I wouldn't object to morning after pills. An abortion at a few weeks is tragic but I wouldn't argue. Once It has its organs and has brainwaves - 6-8 weeks - I'm bothered, anything 2nd trimester or beyond I find horrifying and certainly feel should not be legal. Yes abortion to save the mother might be reasonable but it would depend on the precise details and how certain it was that her life was at risk.<br />I'm aware that US healthcare is lacking, and genuiely wish that something more like what Sanders has been suggesting came into place.</span></span></span><br />
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">So in a nutshell, some jokes are dangerous, but religious tracts, in particular Christian ones, are totally neutral and benign?</span></span></span> </i></div>
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Not icing a specific phrase onto a cake is not homophobic. They aren't OK-ing any bullying any mistreatment of LGBT people; and in general, non-Christians should be aware that actually following Christ categorically does not mean thinking that LGBT people are any less precious and valuable to God than anyone else. If a child breaks rules that their parent gave, their parent still loves them, and their sibling who doesn't support breaking that rule isn't driven by hatred. Obviously, plenty of people claiming to be Christians have mistreated LGBT people, and that's inexcusable; but they weren't following Christ in doing so, and ultimately you need to make a decision about Him.</div>
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NB - Christians have varied views about creation - if "Creationist" means simply believing that God created, we're all creationists, but the idea <span class="text_exposed_show">that Genesis is all entirely literal, with the days of creation equating to 24 hours is a minority view. The word used that has been translated to "day" doesn't necessarily mean 24 hours, for example - note that we sometimes say things like "back in my day" "these days...". It seems to me, and many other Christians, that the complexity and interdependence of the universe and natuural world demonstrate that it couldn't have developed without a designer - but Genesis is a simplified, poetic description for the audience at the time it was written.<br />"Embracing God's design for sexuality" is not homophobic, in that it's not OK-ing any bullying any mistreatment of LGBT people; and whatever happens at this ark, non-Christians should be aware that actually following Christ categorically does not mean thinking that LGBT people are any less precious and valuable to God than anyone else. If a child breaks rules that their parent gave, their parent still loves them, and their sibling who doesn't support breaking that rule isn't driven by hatred. Obviously, plenty of people claiming to be Christians have mistreated LGBT people, and that's inexcusable; but they weren't following Christ in doing so, and ultimately you need to make a decision about Him.</span><br />
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It's not only the government's responsibility though; I'm enraged that Trump wants to reduce aid, but I also desperately wish that society paid more attetion to the world's most disadvantaged people. Left leaning groups and media - that I'd expect to care about the poorest people, barely discuss poverty and injustice overseas. There's rightlya lot of concern and campaigning about injustice that's local to us, but we seem to be more interested in Starbuck's varieties than the children wo could be fed for weeks with the cost of one beverage.<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How are you defning Evagelical? Wanting to follow Christ and tell others about His death to make eternal life possible for us doesn't actually entail father-daughter proms etc (nor the things that you hate Republicans for).</span></span></span><span class="fwb"></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Media like Vice presume that sex is the ultimate religion, and that those who disagree are oppressed/repressed, and potentially dangerous, evil, immoral. Why?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why? We all share our thoughts about everything, esp. online. And if you knew something that ha given you greater joy in life than anything else, and which you believed to be the way to eternal life (heaven) why would you keep it to yourself and never share it? Isn't it reasonable to tell others about something that you're glad to have discovered, so that they can decide about themselves?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">not everyone needs to hold on to a fantasy to get through life</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I never said that they did. Now, how do you know that I'm the one believing a fantasy and that atheism isn't a fantasy?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><span class="fwb"></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Atheism is inherently the lack there of lol that’s sort of the point</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Atheism is the belief that the universe came into existence of it's own accord, despite the odds against this (as defined by physicists on the basis of the cosmological constant, proton;nuetron ratio and other parameters) being many times greater than the number of atoms in the universe. How are you certain that that isn't a fantasy?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm glad you've found something that makes you happy, but you fall into the trap of thinking you've solved something and have a duty to tell everyone. However, when people point out the flaws or that they have studied it and rejected it you, like many others, refuse to listen and presume we just need more convincing or haven't thought about it enough. It's socially rude, supremely arrogant and frankly rather tiresome.</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What "flaws" have been pointed out in this conversation? All that's happened is that Christianity has been caled a fairytale, which demonstrates that it's not actually been investigated - you might not believe it, but if someone really thinks it's comprable to fairytales they need to study history further. If it's tiresome, why are you and others expending time and energy in replying to my comment?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">In the US, where the author grew up, they're inseperable for most evengelicals. Other denominations may speak of things like that, but purity rings, dances, etc... are almost exclusive to evangelicals, mormons and jehovah witnesses. Since you brought up politics, evangelicals are overwhelmingly republican, so those go hand-in-hand.</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yuh, I know - it's so, so, so frustratig that people will only judge human beings that like to call themselves evangelicals, rather than forming their own assessment of Jesus Himself.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">the only thing atheism is is non-belief of a deity. A-without, theism-belief in god(s)/religion. Not all atheists accept the big bang, they just don't believe our existence happened supernaturally. If people didn't define themselves with their religious belief, that would be possible. In the US, evangelicals is a very specific description of themselves. Not good or bad, just you could pinpoint their exact sociopolitical stances with that word.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">So if atheism isn't the belief that the universe came about by itself, atheists believe that the universe doesn't exist?<br />So far as I can see, a fair few of the people who label themselves evangelicals aren't making clear that they're actually following Christ (or aren't following Him at all); He's what actually matters.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The truth is, no one knows if there is a god or not. It's literally just an opinion, and there is a time and place to throw out your opinion. It would rude for me to tell you who to vote for, its just as rude to tell a perfect stranger that they should "follow jesus" and be "saved". Just be happy by yourself and stop trying to rope people into your opinion.</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I didn't tell you follow Jesus and be saved, I urge people investigate Him further and make their own minds up. And you're perfectly entitled to tell me who to vote for if you want - I, and a person told to follow Jesus, still makes their own decision regardless of which imperatives are directed at them. But following Jesus is about the person who does so having eternal life - it's more significant than a political vote, and it doesn't benefit the person trying to convince them.</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I have investigated Christianity and jesus. That's exactly why I'm NOT christian. Simple, objective research without bias.</span></span></i></span><i> </i></div>
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C<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">an you summarise which things that you discovered, amidst that investigating, that made you so resentful? </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm well aware that human beings have done evil things whilst calling themselves Christians so as to appear slightly more noble to some. Anyone can claim to be something, I could call myself a fan of sport to make myself sound more interesting, it doesn't change the fact that I've never been to a sports match in my life, nor change anything about sport. People who call themselves Christians and actually aren't following Christ don't change who Christ is.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Atheists don't object to anything about god(s), as we don't have a reason to believe they exist. Our objection is to the belief that people would follow a deity that would create disease, pain, and suffering. That a deity would torture people for all eternity because they don't believe in it.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">There is literally no evidence that Jesus ever existed. That's a fact. Also, your entire argument is a logical fallicy, look it up. It's called " no true Scotsman". You're entire religion is a made up sham designed to control people for thousands of years. And you are living proof that it's still working. Now before you get bent out of shape, answer me this, why aren't you a muslim? Or a Hindi? Or even a scientologist? Is it perhaps because those religions seem ridiculous to you? That's how most of the world feels about Christianity. I don't believe in God, but I also don't NOT believe in god. Nobody knows anything for sure and anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.</span></span></i></span><i> </i></div>
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L<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">iterally no evidence that Jesus existed? Yeah, a lot of people seem to have fallen for this conspiracy theory. Where did you hear it from and why did you believe it? Are you just going to ignore the thousnds of historical documents about Him? If so, why, and what history do yoou believe? What evidence should there be for Jesus that is non existent? <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2017%2Fapr%2F14%2Fwhat-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0oEVoGDHusMDL2XGWtfvuQ9SdwYZ5TTzaCeKeuXQ0Pm8kMsaHKR3bh3Bg&h=AT3k6G6H91sRey3Jd1dQx4CtqqOe94rakfRCbLEjyLcAeB6P9_hA1gObW86onFZxzAJ4vES2rAf8EaGSGmWroGIFoBrGdP21ZN629STFIwdHXbTUsTjGIxvZnjvehlYXY9ey" dir="ltr" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died?fbclid=IwAR0oEVoGDHusMDL2XGWtfvuQ9SdwYZ5TTzaCeKeuXQ0Pm8kMsaHKR3bh3Bg" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/.../what-is-the-historical...</a></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Matthew 13:41-43 "41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the FIERY FURNACE. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Regardless, because I have no reason to believe heaven or hell exists, there is disease here now. If there was an omnipotent god(s), it could create a place with free will AND no suffering. If not, it's not all powerful, is it? Or it didn't want to which is outright evil.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Fire destroys, that's not "eternal torture" - and everyone is offered eternal life with God instead. If you reject God, you ultimately cease to be, which is what you believed anyway.<br />RE God "allowing" suffering on Earth - Have you asked Him? Seriously, sometimes we understand things better when we pray. God is incomparably more knowledgeable than we are, yet we frequently presume that just because we don't know the reason that God allows something, there is no reason, and we act like children who won't talk with their parents about things they don't understand. A parent will do/allow many things that their toddler might not like at the time; in the same way, God can have reasons that we don't understand now. Ultimately, God wants us to choose to follow Him, so that we'll spend eternity with Him in heaven. That is infinitely more significant than the brief time we spend on Earth. The tragedies of life are, for many of us, what we need to be prompted to seek Him. When life is perfect, we ignore God, and will miss out on heaven. When we seek God in difficult times, He gives amazing comfort, and we can find eternal life. Throughout history and around the world, there have been/are many people whose lives have been far, far, far less comfortable than ours are in the 21st West, but who've followed God, and consequently had the deep inner joy and strength - and who'll have endless joy free of sadness as a result.The gap between our knowledge and God's is many magnitudes wider than that between a child and their father. Sometimes things happen - that we really don't grasp the underlying cause of at all; and sometimes barbaric things happen that are/were in fact entirely necessary for beneficial reasons that are beyond our comprehension.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">s there anything your god could say that would excuse the painful death of 20,000 children a day? If so, what would it be?</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">As I said, human greed is the direct cause. God wants for more impoverished people to be helped - He's given us the means, it's our failure that's standing in the way. And you're ignoring that the eternal life people end up experiencing is incomparably greater than the pain of the tragedies of life, and infinitely longer lasting. Most of us privileged Westerners will miss out on that greater experience because of choosing to reject God's offer.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">What made greed exist? Your deity. Your deity knew we'd commit the atrocities we have over millenia even before making us. There's no chance we'd do anything but what we've done because your deity would be omniscient. If the end point is heaven, why not just put those "souls" right into heaven and never make those that were evil in the first place.</span></span></i></span></span></span></span></i><br />
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<span aria-label="See who reacted to this" class="_3t54"><span aria-label="1 Like" class="_3emk _401_" data-testid="ufi_bling_token_1"><span class="_9zc _2p7a _4-op _3uet _4e-m">We have freewill. Otherwise we'd be meaningless robots. There's no legitimacy in blaming God for things that we've done wrong, and there's no logic in claiming that God could have done things differently - we're specs within a vast creation, why would we presume that our notions of how the universe might have been were feasible?<br />Anyhoo, this thread has gone on way too long, surely we both have better uses for our time?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Is there freewill in heaven? If so, freewill and utopia can exist together. If not, you'd be meaningless robots in heaven, right? If a deity made us, there are certain responsibilities to their creation. I like to debate. I like to see others' perspective.</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">In heaven, those there will have already chosen to be with God, and will no longer have any means or desire to sin. Our time on Earth is giving us the opportunity to decide whether we want to spend the future with Him, or whether we're going to reject Him.<br />All of this is rather missing the point - we'll never get our tiny human minds around God, but wht we need to decide on is the evidence that Jesus defeated death. I recommend Who Moved The Stone, but there are loads of differing opinions to weigh up.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">there is no evidence he defeated death, nevermind the belief that he is "god" and would therefore be immortal.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How do you know "there's no evidence"? Have you investigated? The book that I mentioned is one of very many that explains all of this better than I ever could - and you might disagree still, but you should investigate rather than saying "there's no evidence" as an argument.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yes I have, but more importantly an immortal being couldn't "defeat death" as it is immortal, making the point moot.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hich books/ lectures etc have you considered? Jesus wasn't immortal, He died, but either way, on what basis have you concluded your criteria for defeating death?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The difference with evolution is that there is evidence of the vast changes over millions and billions of years. We can literally look back in time and observe something that happened billions of years ago while it happens.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DCwSw6SYfjw/XCRSy-_shuI/AAAAAAAAAlo/itwCz3oOB1kRBe9SMy5_D0O-tCoCT-ZpgCLcBGAs/s1600/8637660-3uWaD7X-1545144755-728-628863e2e5-1545632444.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="542" data-original-width="728" height="238" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DCwSw6SYfjw/XCRSy-_shuI/AAAAAAAAAlo/itwCz3oOB1kRBe9SMy5_D0O-tCoCT-ZpgCLcBGAs/s320/8637660-3uWaD7X-1545144755-728-628863e2e5-1545632444.jpg" width="320" /></a>N<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">o, we can't "literally look back in time" - Darwin had an idea, and biologists have been assuming that he was right ever since. What has actually been observed since - the discovery and understanding of DNA, the interdependence of biological systems etc, demonstrate that whatever the details of how the biological world came about, it had a designing, driving force behind it. Many Christians accept Darwinism, others have a variety of views - for example, we all accept microevolution, though not necessarily macoevolution. I've been studying biomedical sciences (at uni) and feel frustrated by people constantly telling me that evolution has disproven God when they've not learned about biology at all(I'm not referring to you).<br />Since you mentioned faith - faith is to believe in something that we cannot know definitively, on the basis of the evidence we've seen. Indeed, many Christians have faith without looking for evidence - but not all of us. I don't believe that the testimonies of the witnesses of the resurrected Christ were all lying, as you seem to have assumed, in particular since they gave their lives to spread the message, and convinced others by highlighting Jesus' fulfilment of prophecies and through demonstrations of the Holy Spirit.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Many religions make that claim about their god(s) too. My dad believes in Usen (Apache god) who created everything. Muslims believe allah created everything. And on and on and on.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Comparing beliefs could go on and on; analogies need analysis, it can't be assumed that the evidence for each is equivalent. And the prophecies made were specific and centuries old, hence they convinced fervent Jews whom converted after hearing disciples' preaching. You reference a personal experience, which sounds fascinating, but specifically took place in a state of extreme dehydration, was individual to you and which you've now realised was a hallucination. Jesus' followers hadn't just spent hours in a sweat lodge; they all saw the same thing; and they continued to testify of it until they were brutally killed for it.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Jesus' followers lived in a desert and fasted after their "bridegroom was taken away" as matthew said they would before jesus was killed and acts and corinithians reiterated the apostles fasted after his death. I skipped a meal before going out to sleep in the woods at night, they didn't eat for days after his death. If anyone hallucinated it was them.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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Where does it say that the disciples fasted? Obviosly I'm well familiar with verse you're referring to, where Jesus talks about the possibility of them fasting in hte future, but they don't then actually fast in the dys after His crucifixion; and it wasn't only His disciples who saw Him. The prophecies about Jesus were far, far more complex, including whre He'd be born, how He'd be killed and more - but seriously, I'm desperate for us to stop this conversation.<br />
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Oh my goodness, what is the US right's obsession with Muslims in Britain? They're still a minority, and here certainly weren't any among the supreme court who made this decision.</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">May I ask what you're referring to? I live in Britain (always have) and follow left wing and right wing news outlets both sides of the pond; so far as I can see, our society isn't more liberal overall than yours. Indeed, my heart breaks constantly about the take over of sex as the foremost religion here, but it's just a microcosm of the US. Afterall, we largely feed off US music/film/TV/websites. Don't let Fox and right wing media mislead you - things aren't particularly different here from where you are, and a nation, our attitudes aren't as lberal as much of Europe.<br />What really matters- at least in my opinion - is what people decide about Jesus. Celebration of sex against God's design is tragic specifically because it demonstrates rejection of God; but indifference wouldn't be any better. If our nation had more conservative attitudes to sex, but no more people were in love with Christ, the situation would be just as tragic.</span></span></span><br />
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Obviously I'm concerned for those workers - but I also think that it's fundamentally wrong that we live in a world where much of our nation would deem it normal to spend several £ on one serving a of cake, whilst a substantial chunk of humanity has to survive almost entirely on rice.. And some are entirely starving; but we can pay to feed a child for a month for £4 (<a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=146534838701616&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARDO9nHC2ADgahxd6mNDoH1n0T3ne6ZS9NA-txSfsXs1PSV08VssciG2EPy0L-Y7NfdlS9YgLKRyCbwm%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/fthuk/?eid=ARDO9nHC2ADgahxd6mNDoH1n0T3ne6ZS9NA-txSfsXs1PSV08VssciG2EPy0L-Y7NfdlS9YgLKRyCbwm&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry UK</a>) - why do we want to buy posh cakes, coffees and restaurant meals when we get enjoyable food in supermarkets and do something so exciting with the cost saving?<br />
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Please note - society isn't divided into 2 homogenous sides at war. Those on the left aren't all the same as each other, nor are those on the right - thus it's illogical to be angry with people purely on the basis of being red or blue. We need to spend focus more on fighting problems, less on fighting each other.</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">To compare is not to equate. But indeed, abortion is to end a tiny human life. It's a complex topic - but it shouldn't be presumed morally right as it now frequently is in our culture.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It's a complex topic, and yet you explicitly frame it in pro-life terms. I have to wonder how complex you actually think it is.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Which terms are you objecting to? I specifically avoided "child" "baby", or even "kill"(though that would have been biologically accurate). What in my comment are you disagreeing with?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"End a tiny human life" Implying that society is immoral for allowing abortion. Avoiding particular words doesn't change the message.</span></span></i></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">But is ending a tiny human life. Therefore I personally, in nearly every case, deem it immoral - but that wasn't what I actually said. You're making the connection between ending a life and something being immoral, so perhaps we don't disagree so much after all. <br />Crucially, in trying to follow Jesus, I need to fight any judgementalism within me - but there's a distinction between one's feelings towards a person and one's feelings about an action. So I hate abortion - but that doesn't mean that I hate or judge the women who are involved.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The Pope (“il Papa” ) is the archetypal patriarchal figure. This particular Pope appears to be a pretty decent, liberal and empathetic human, but he still doesn’t have a uterus and he will never have to face being raped, or the prospect of bringing a severely damaged or handicapped child into the world, nor even having to live out an accidental and unwanted pregnancy without the means to bring up a child. Abortion is simply not a question which in most cases any man should feel entitled to comment on.</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I don't think that there shouldbe a Pope - we're called to follow Jesus, and it's He who defeated death offering us a way to eternal life; deification of Popes has evidently not worked out too well. Though he, and Catholicism, have some positive aspects so I'm not trying to bash them, I just needed to point out the distinction between Catholicism and Christianity.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> The anatomy of the person making a point doesn't determine whether the point is legitimate - abortion isn't any more OK if those who object are men (of course there are plenty of women opposed to it also)</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">As an atheist, I - by definition think all religion is nonsense. The definition of people who “are called to follow” any mythical figure is “psychotic”. No religion is ultimately better than any other, and sooner or later they all become perverted by authoritarianism and/or patriarchy and become tools for the manipulation of others. The abortion issue is a classic case. A foetus is NOT a human being, certainly not until it’s viable, and forcing a woman to bring a foetus to term and then give birth against her will is completely contrary tomher human rights.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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Yes a foetus is a human being, what biology have you studied? Pregnancy is a physiological reality following a chosen action (rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions, according to Planned Parenthood's research intitute) - a woman's not being "forced" by anyone.<br />
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The Bible says that people should not have gay sex - but that doesn't mean that gay people are to be bullied in any way. We ALL sin, and that's why Christ died for us. He made religious leaders to leave alone a woman they'd been about to stone to death for her sexual sin, and said to her "Go and sin no more" . Christians should be welcoming everyone, urging everyone to fight the sin in their lives (which God helps us with), and recognising that we're sinners too.<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">the bible says thou shalt not wear certain fibers..eat certain foods..but you do that anyway. </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">its interesting how jesus addresses the woman but not all the men that wanted to sleep with her..descriminate much jesus?</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Those commands were refences to pagan worship customs among neighbouring tribes at the time, or guidance for the sake of health and safety at a time when people didn't know about it. In the NT, it's made clear that it's OK to eat all foods, but also that gay sex must still be avoided. </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Jesus talks to the woman caught in adultery because she was the one brought to Him by religious leaders to be stoned - and He forgives her. He's not discriminating. He makes very clear that men have a responsibility not to let lust fester.</span></span></span><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Dodgy ethics? Why? Why is telling people about God unethical and queasiness-inducing?<br />What exactly are you concered about?<br />Either Christians are wrong - and those they've been trying to help just feel a greater sense of hope and fulfilment in life; or they're right and there's actually a God wo loves them and offers eternal life. "Religion" has, sometimes, been misused to take advantage of people - but this isn't what actual Christianity (following Christ) is, and it isn't what was happening in the programme^</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Because its abusing vulnerable people at a moment of weakness. Inherently deceptive, borderline abusive.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">H</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ow exactly? How are the vulnerable people being abused?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">b</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ecause there is no god. They would be better served with constructive assistance with a realistic appraisal of their situation, than brought into a lie.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">T</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hey are receiving constructive assistance - how much do you know about the charity (CAP)?<br />And "there is no God" is your opinion, how much have you investigated the reasoning (not just faith - philosophy, history and science) for concluding that there is? Do you not think that CAP's beneficiaries can decide for themselves?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Can you explain how on earth praying solves anything? Is praying going to help them pay their debts? Praying always makes the person who does it feel good with themselves but, in practical terms, it solves nothing. If your god if so compassionate, why does he allow so much injustice? There is no evidence of the existence of god and praying is a waste of time, an exercise in delusion that, in practical terms, solves sod all. But you can always pray a lot so tonight, you can go to sleep feeling good with yourself. That there are good theists who help in practical terms (I said practical, not praying) those who are in need, granted, but that is not proof that god exists, it is proof that there are good theists, that's all.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">If you watched the programme, and investigated the innumerable Christian charities working around the world, you'd see that they are helping practically. A lot. And the fact that praying makes people feel better in themselves is vital - we spend our lives trying to feel good within ourselves, and concerns about mental health are all about how we feel within ourselves.<br />But how do you know that it's a delusion? You may not agree that it's sufficient to draw a conclusion that Christianity is true, but if you think that the evidence is simply non existent, I'd urge you to investigate, you seem not to have looked into the topic.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">thats highly condescending. Have you read the Torah, Quran, Rigveda, Satanists Bible and other tomes?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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W<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hen did I say anything about reading the Bible? (obviously I recommend doing so, but that's not what we've been discussing)</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I don't think you have understood my point. I have said that there are good theists (I used this term because it applies to all believers in a god), and Christian charities are a proof of that. Christian charities are not a proof that god exists (your god I should say). Investigate? You obviously have a twisted idea of what we atheist stand for. We don't say that god doesn't exist per se, we say that there is no evidence that god exists, none whatsoever, so the logical conclusion is that there isn't one.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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I don't help people in poverty because I think I'll be rewarded, I just find that I want to. Desperately. Far more since I've grown closer to God. It's an urge, it's not with the thought of future reward. I didn't say that Christian charities are proof of God, I mentioned them because you stressed the importance of practical help. The account of creation in the Bible is a simplistic, poetic description written to suit the audience at the time, it's not precisely literal. But how much science have you studied BTW? Personally, it was studying the molecular mechanisms of photosynthesis that nudged me to think that it might be possible that God exists (many years ago....)<br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Why spend £6k on a holiday when there are children in our world living in slums? The word "spoiled" used to be used with good reason - kids (but we adults too) will be made unable to enjoy less lavish things in life if parents treat them like this. You can have awesome holidays here in the UK - what matters is ime as a family Holidaying here will also prevent the catastrophic climate change being discussed today, and ave time spent on form-filling etc. Then you could use the remaining money to support several children born into severe poverty with sponsorship for a decade - and that will help the British child to learn about our world and to derive far more happiness from what they have than they will if they're spoilt.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">If I want to spoil my children in this country or another, I will do so. We don’t need a busy body putting a downer on how we bring up our children, what we buy them and where we take them. As a parent that is OUR choice.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">of course you get to make that choice, I'm just giving an opinion, because that's what we alldo here. Think about it; we - British people - have far more money on average per person than most of humanity because of centuries of injustice, so even though parents in developing countries work far more hours in far more brutal conditions, some can't afford to send their kids to school; to get them even basic medical care; to feed them more than rice; or buy them any toys - nevermind holidays. So since kids here can in fact be very, very happy without being taken to Disneyland, why would you? <br />I have great memories of holidays in youth hostels, and camping, here in Britain. And I know that if my parents had bought me all of the toys I wanted, I'd be unable to enjoy everday things or handle money sensibly now.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">This is hilarious. I'm well aware that it's not my decision, but we all comment online about things that have nothing to do with us. Why do any of you feel the need to criticise me, why not just ignore me? And I know that we all spend some money on things that aren't the very most basic essentials - but do you really think that it's better to spend £6k on one holiday than on providing education that will change lives? Have you completely missed the fact that we only have the money we do because of injustice - so it's invalid to claim that people in poverty aren't at all our responsibility. Do you think our grandparents felt sad as kids because they didn't get to go to Disneyland? Do you think that buying kids everything they want is the best way to help them prepare for adulthood?</span></span></span><i> </i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I would (go to help in slums) but I wouldn't be much use because of my health issues. I can help more if I can earn a salary here and donate most of it.</span></span></span><i> </i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Oh the irony!!!!!you ask is not to criticise you and to ignore your comment if we don't like it and that we all comment on things that are nothing to do with us.Well for starters,take your own advice,if you disagree with them then ignore it and secondly this is a public forum making it open for comments</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">LOL, I didn't "ask you not to citicise because I don't like it" - I said it's hilarious. There's a difference between commenting on a public news site's post and commenting on the comments of strangers, so I did the former and I'm not sure why you're bothering with the latter, but I don't mind </span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The fact you are using the internet and on Facebook would suggest you are either using a phone or a laptop etc which is a luxury that you don't need. The contract you pay out or the amount you have paid for said items could have been donated to charity but yet you have your luxury when others as you said can not afford to feed their children etc???? Is that a kettle whistle I hear?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">And also it may have already been stated but you do realise that poorer countries benefit from the travel industry right? Without tourists there wouldn't be any need for hotels and the extra jobs that brings in alone</span></span></span></i></div>
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M<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">y laptop was my birthday present, cost 1/30 of the holiday we were discussing and is obviously essential for work. I don't have a phone contract - I use Tesco pay as you go (on a cheap 2nd phone) which gives triple credit - meaning that all of the money that I spend on it I can then use as text donations(to charities working in developing countries) and I can use the free credit (that can't be donated) for texts etc.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> You're right, poorer countries can benefit from tourism - but this is about a Disney land holiday. And still, if one spends on going Africa, for example, impoverished people receive hardly any of it - think about it, the money is being spent on flights and on providing luxury for people lucky enough to have been born into a country where we already have a very comfortable life. Imagine if those resources were instead used for classrooms, toilets and clinics for people who don't have them....</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Oh and Grace the people that are in poverty aren’t our responsibility, they are the governments responsibility...yes it would be common decency but I don’t think taking care of people in poverty or homeless people is ‘compulsory’ and you shouldn’t be advising where people spend THEIR money, they’ve earned their money one way or another so they can do with it as they please</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Like I said, I know that people can spend the money they have as they want - but why do you think that I can't comment? And it may not be compulsory to help others - but the money that we've earned is in our economy largely because of our ancestors and corporations taking from others. So people in the poorest places work far, far longer hours in far more uncomfortable jobs. You have the option not to care. I was just reminding people that we can do something far more exciting and life changing with our money than spend a fortnight in Disney land. I find it exciting that if we ignore adverts trying to convince us to feed cash to corporations, we can transform lives</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">You also forget that every year we donate millions to comic relief and the poverty stricken receive a small percentage so your argument about charity donations instead of holidays is kinda moat as for both they receive possibly the same percentage, although tourism opens up more job opportunities regardless the country someone is traveling too. Never heard the saying give a man a fish?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why do you think that people only receive "a small percentage" of the money from donations? It's often said by people who hate charities, but if you look at the data, it's not true. And yes, yes, teach a man to fish - that's why I've been talking about giving children education, and providing things that enable them to become self sufficient. They should be given the resources and training that they need to build up their countries - not spend their lives carrying bags for us.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Type in Google aid received by poor and you will see news articles as well as blogs telling you they don't. Maybe spend a bit more time researching rather than commenting before accusing me of hating charities.. I'll be sure to let my children know the next time I buy them something with my hard earned cash that they are selfish and spoilt for having the audacity to have a luxury when given the opportunity to do so.. I mean with all the money you expect us to give to poorer countries they'll be richer than us in a few years reckon they will give it all.back to us?? I think not</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">And your more credible? Well you expect no one to have holidays or luxuries and give our money away to another country if we did that we wouldn't have any money ourselves hence be poor and they will hence be better off than us.. I already pay more than 25 a month for a child three in fact I can't afford a fourth hence why I haven't birthed another so I'm.nit about to set up a standing order each month and pay maintenance for a child when I don't receive that myself for my kids.</span></span></i></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">LOL, no, I didn't say that I'm more credible - external bodies such as CharityNavigator, and the Charities Comission, are more credible. If you think that us simply not having holidays and luxuries would make us equal to the world's poorest people, so that they could then become richer than us, then may I suggest that you find out a bit more about life in the poorest communities?<br />Also, this is worth a glance - <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.givingwhatwecan.org%2Fget-involved%2Fmyths-about-aid%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1vvKRpzDZezPVD4S7_9gMv-71KZMaMXksJZ8CsjpEUBvaF6e6VB3KeH_I&h=AT1L44olxbWOWOguDv5Qh71w0JAHQa_wwc1e-f6C5TREXGTXXlhxp9vYvCz4q4Xo17Oyc-J3nGeShSlgfbu2TJOVVDdhgPnW7fu5qEWi_StR9tKBhe2d8fKqf90F32TS9BQv" dir="ltr" href="https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get-involved/myths-about-aid/?fbclid=IwAR1vvKRpzDZezPVD4S7_9gMv-71KZMaMXksJZ8CsjpEUBvaF6e6VB3KeH_I" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get.../myths-about-aid/</a></span></span></span> </div>
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<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qAvMp3-CoaY/W7lMbbcUjMI/AAAAAAAAAdY/hl6P91txwfkhjXciAZqr5qZjTNI5UI1PgCEwYBhgL/s1600/01c1ac3ec1e37d0237b9409dcb760e13.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="343" data-original-width="321" height="320" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qAvMp3-CoaY/W7lMbbcUjMI/AAAAAAAAAdY/hl6P91txwfkhjXciAZqr5qZjTNI5UI1PgCEwYBhgL/s320/01c1ac3ec1e37d0237b9409dcb760e13.jpg" width="299" /></a><a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fknowyourmeme.com%2Fmemes%2Fevents%2Ftoronto-abortion-activist-assault&h=AT0fVobqX-hDZPUkgkH5iTvV4KxHpg8x7XFVkVUJIDoFeYe38NhpNxM5noRwnTaRlkn6I7eQkrU31oVy8ImHcmwQ_ol2nmooZ7XlL6GrWI93i8KyVPA35LTFVhNjT1kIuWlQdg" href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/toronto-abortion-activist-assault" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Activist Fired for Kicking Woman at Anti-abortion Protest</span></a><br />
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<i>These same anti-abortion protestors would blow up Planned Parenthood clinics if they had the inclination, so this guy was actually performing a civic duty.</i></div>
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"These
same anti-abortion protesters"? According to what evidence? Just
because they're opposed to abortion doesn't in any way prove that
they'd support the extremist behaviour that entirely separate
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<i>0-3 months of pregnancy its called an embryo " body of cells " not even a fetus and definitely not a human</i><br />
What biology have you done? Of course it's a human.<br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2F1027059%2FLondon-news-global-warming-rising-sea-levels-global-warming-christian-aid-report&h=AT0C8hOBTRWlEFCgDZt4xzFycqURMU1ySoA-wUWTfp98h9L2-2I5mXxnEGnQpsYkI1ABzt78CKGeduVgu9Mjkw3LPqJHC4kw_7Vk_IE1sPsRp7VWKxkY_oVlbonzH2vNeEQm_g" href="https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1027059/London-news-global-warming-rising-sea-levels-global-warming-christian-aid-report" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">London COULD SINK from rising SEA LEVELS caused by global warming finds SHOCK report</span></a><br />
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We're
incredibly privileged - if we progress towards this happening, wee'll
have plenty of warning and support for relocating. In other places, such
as parts of India, people have lost everything - including loved ones -
to flooding, and have none of the infrastrcture or insurance they need
to rebuild their lives.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F2yemjJC&h=AT0aodFLXPCezO3BNo1WhvJ3_deVog0DdG_wiORbXj5Fv5CPd3AYssE_AXBWWCiFgbzvXd5aLbNr-sI3GSpthADfF0F6kVs_PrT4IaZpK41xVMs3HSwQsM8l19kynUOtw_wUSw" href="https://bit.ly/2yemjJC" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Emily Ratajkowski arrested as thousands rally against Brett Kavanaugh</span></a><br />
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Obviously, nothing ever justifies abuse, but this
is ironic. She became famous for appearing in a music video all about
men presuming that they could treat women as sex objects without
consent.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebridgehead.ca%2F2018%2F04%2F14%2Fhow-the-pro-abortion-left-targets-africa-obianuju-ekeocha%2F&h=AT31GpA7rz-RvnD0LLq24mFNObt2nnl_KUbF7kXs3ugv2pb9wymxp8O_nhC4IFI9kVL0pwtJrv3vUVe0iG4mGlY6k_nJia9gOejI-tCh0oJssSwc4EeXIs7ACmFwXAHlKHsUBw" href="https://thebridgehead.ca/2018/04/14/how-the-pro-abortion-left-targets-africa-obianuju-ekeocha/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">How the Pro-Abortion Left Targets Africa: Obianuju Ekeocha</span></a><br />
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course - but what I don't get is why there's also substantial
opposition to contraception (from many pro-lifers). Yes we must, must
oppose abortion, but nothing about morality or God's guidance opposes
contraception. Plenty of African mothers struggle horrifically with
constant pregnancies and with caring for huge numbers of children - and
their children suffer as a result. We should be supporting
contraception, whilst, obviously, urging abstinence first and foremost.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fnews%2F7420559%2Ffoetus-found-valentines-park-ilford-london-mum%2F%3Futm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%23Echobox%3D1538679285&h=AT2UtCC8gVlkD6yiSqW8RDd7tVnLRpRzxgmjbOSCSXW_mqu4m-MO1w1txcKpvDyT4XMRP22_J6kOyx2tZHFXYXaXWL3KyMCvd6JduitUpUnA_QIR_Nwn8MLVIsnM-tu6QyFBQw" href="https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7420559/foetus-found-valentines-park-ilford-london-mum/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1538679285" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Concern for mum after foetus found abandoned in London park - Awful News</span></a></div>
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Fascinating.
"Awful"? I agree - but is it not the norm in our society now to think
that a foetus is unimportant? Abortion is deemed a moral right, and it
sickens me.<br />
NB - I'm certainly not judging whoever the mother of
this tiny deceased human is, obviously I don't know her story and
whether this was a miscarriage - I was commenting on the confused
attitudes in our society towards tiny developing humans.</div>
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Given that she's been an advocate for <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=108970206976&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARBlFPn34Qubr3nkP6GneDFR44VK4ziFzxNvxjbQEg-JD87BH295_ku8bITHnYFPTjcZtcrk2ySnKxNb%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/worldvision/?eid=ARBlFPn34Qubr3nkP6GneDFR44VK4ziFzxNvxjbQEg-JD87BH295_ku8bITHnYFPTjcZtcrk2ySnKxNb&fref=tag">World Vision USA</a>,
I imagine she'd rather that you gave some attention to the people who
are so poor that they live in rags, rather than constantly obsessing
over what she's wearing.<br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Her money she can spend it as she please </span></span></span></i> </div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">more
generally - yes wealthy people can spend their money how they choose -
but that doesn't make it OK. We are wealthy compared to most of
humanity, because of injustices that have made our nation rich at the
expense of others. I don't think it's OK for someone to spend
excessively on unnecessary things -like designer clothes- when innocent
people are starving through no fault of their own.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">so
if you don’t like it how they spend there money what are you going to
do about the problem with the poor, she works for her money she can
spend it on unnecessary things she not bothered!</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">She
"works" but she only has the money that she does because she's insanely
lucky. Extreme injustice means that some people have the opportunity to
do "work" that earns them millions; some others work unimaginable hours
in sweatshops, factories and
plantations providing things that we take forgranted and get paid so
little that they live in slums with only rice to eat and rags to wear.
So do you really think that it's ok for people to spend £1000s
unnecessarily just because they have that money?<br />Though
we're poor compared to royals, we're wealthier than most of humanity by
luck. So I get frustrated by news stories about outfits when we could
actually transform lives if more coverage was given to those who are
less privileged.<br />You asked what I'm doing, which was
never the point of this discussion. Obviously, I sponsor children and
give as much as I can in extra donations to charities working in
developing countries by minimising spending on myself, but I'm not doing
enough, I'm desperate to do more.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Ex
21:20 If a man strikes his male or female servant with a rod, and the
servant dies by his hand, he shall surely be punished. 21However, if the
slave gets up after a day or two, the owner shall not be punished,
since the slave is his property. In other words
under Mosaic law, it's a-Ok to give them a darn good beating just as
long as you make sure they can get up after a day or so. Ooh, fun. How
far would you go? Don't be shy, get creative now.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It doesn't say that a darn good beating is a-OK. It says that they won't be punished, that isn't the same thing at all. God will still hold them responsible. In a society where it would have been normal and accepted masters to kill their slaves, God was gradually moving His people towards a better cultural moral code. And ultimately, Jesus demonstrated God's true expectation for our behaviour - in this case, the Mosaic law is rendered void by Jesus' command to treat others as we would like to be treated.</span></span></span></div>
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How
are you measuring poverty when you state that it's halved? When used to
refer to the UK, poverty is frequently used to refer to those below a
certain percentile - when it's used globally, it means below a certain
$per day, and that figure is set at different amounts depending on the
source. The fact is that there are still plenty of innocent people born
into a life in slums, without the educat<span class="text_exposed_show">ion
or opportunities that would enable them to escape living standards that
we couldn't bear. They don't have the government services and support
that we do, including lacking NHS car and defense from crime that we
rely on. <br /> We can make an enormous difference - because £for£, money
spent efficiently by credible charities working in developng countries
does many times as much as it ever can if we spend it here. Sponsooring a
child costs us 1 meal out per month, and can entirely transform a life.</span><br />
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Why? You say that you're a Christian, which by definition means
believing that God knows what's best for humanity (better than we do) -
so why support people defiantly protesting God's guidance?<br />
Getting
married was a possibility for everyone - the reason that people wouldn't
marry their partner is hatred of Christian tradition, or God Himself.
This largely because their opinion has been informed by un-Christlike
people claiming to be Christians, rather than assessment of Christ.
Whilst they have every right to that hatred, if you - Theresa May -
believed in God, you would think it tragic that they do. So why boast
about this?<span class="fwb"> </span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Traditional
marriage is not for everyone and not believing in a mythical deity is a
good reason to form a legal partnership outside of religion.</span></span></i></span><span class="fwb"></span></div>
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Christianity isn't believing in a mythical deity - how
exactly have you reached that conclusion? How much have you investigated
the scientific and philosophical reasoning supporting theism?</div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/745890615745919/"><span class="fwb">Owen Jones confronts Arlene Foster on same-sex marriage</span><span class="_44bj">"Don't you think you should go down in history as
somebody who said 'Let gay people have the right to get married and
share their love'?"</span></a></div>
The
principle is that God - having created us - knows better than we do
what's best for us. Just as a parent knows better than their toddler
whether what the toddler feels like will actually be right for them. So
Foster, theoretically, is simply trying to follow guidance from a
creator whose knowledge infinitely surpasses ours - she's not endorsing
discrimination. History might indeed look more fa<span class="text_exposed_show">vourably
on her if she bowed to pressure; but she believes that when we're all
dead - such that history is no longer studied - it's God's opinion that
will matter.<br /> We seriously need to tackle actual homophobia - and
lumping Christian belief together with bigotry, when they're not the
same thing at all, isn't helpful.</span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fvoices%2Fstudent-sex-workers-brighton-university-tuition-fees-feminism-a8563336.html%3Futm_term%3DAutofeed%26utm_medium%3DSocial%26utm_source%3DFacebook%23Echobox%3D1538441469&h=AT13nTXh-YJzzyYViMezOhhwrG84Q5A8XaDN1xgOzFuqqNQYgYzHfvhEvRWd6Cgv1884sQUdGnj8Z0ekfS2fZvzQcBi_lE9YiKhb4_Bu2432z1Loc5AmlUhNksBhSys5W5FLQw" href="https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/student-sex-workers-brighton-university-tuition-fees-feminism-a8563336.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1538441469" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">'If you're shocked that Brighton University is offering advice on sex work at freshers' week, you need a reality check'</span></a></div>
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a stall at a Freshers' fair endorsing sex work will increase the
likelihood of more getting involved with it. There's serious risk to
their mental and physical health, as well as to their relationships, and
risk of violence, rape and blackmail. It's disgustingly unethical that
this stall happened. Indeed support should be offered - but not in such a
public setting that more vulnerable individuals are lured into starting
sex work.</div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It wasn’t endorsing it. <br />It was giving the freshers advice about safety if they went into that line of work.</span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Of
course it's endorsing it. And why have you both missed my point? I'm
well aware that some people will take part in sex work anyway, but this
stall will have massively increased the likelihood of more people
starting it. It's cruelly forcing young adults
into a horrific decision that many would have been free of previously.
And it's giving the impression that sex work is far safer than it
actually is. It will also serve as an advert to potential buyers,
prompting more (mostly)guys to consider buying sex than would otherwise
have done so. They too will be at serious risk of psychocological and
and physical harm, and are being encouraged to think of women as sex
objects for their purchase.</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/posts/10157410317781336?comment_id=10157410540991336" target="_blank">Protesters marched in favor of open carry rights</a> </span></span></span><br />
<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Tragic.
So many problems in our world - and some people want to spend their
time and energy defending the right to carry killing machines.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">or killing babies</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Are
you honestly telling me off over abortion on the basis that I hate
guns? Where is the logic in that? I'm absolutely anti-abortion. Not
everyone fits into either a left or right box.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Come Take Em! - Weak willed, reality fearing, degenerates. </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Please
don’t reproduce! For the love of humanity, society, Mother Nature,
intellectual honesty and common sense please fight the urge to breed!
Dangerously degenerate and far from reality u r! Breed u must not!</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How
exactly have I demonstrated being "degenerate"? And why do you assume
that I have an urge to reproduce? I'm mildly anorexic - and my weight is
too low for me to have periods, so don't worry, I won't be reproducing.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yeah.
Like cars, knives, pressure cookers, and airplanes. How dare people
want to defend their RIGHT to defend themselves? Such a shame. A shame
you are such an idiot.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">C</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ars,
knives, cookers etc all have a very beneficial function. Guns are
designed entirely to maim and kill. How exactly am I an idiot?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Absolutely! Those killing machines are the very reason you’re even alive to whine!</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">LOL, how exactly am I alive because of guns? Seriously, you're really going to have to justify that.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Grace
Dalton fits the stereotype >> the people most outwardly appealing
are typically the dumbest ! The fact she doesn't or can't understand
the comparison between a 2 ton SUV mishandled & a live firearm
mishandled just shows how badly critical comprehension skills are needed
in UK schools. <a class="_58cn" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/whensocialismfails?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank"><span class="_58cl">#</span><span class="_58cm">WhenSocialismFails</span></a></span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Of
course I understand that a car is also dangerous, but as I already
said, it's not comparable to a gun because it is designed for an
entirely different purpose. A person who uses a car is not doing so with
the same thoughts and intentions as a person with a gun. <br />Seriously, would you clarify how exactly I've demonstrated stupidity, as distinct from not agreeing with you?<br />It's hilarious that you think Britain is socialist.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"think
Britain is socialist" ??? First off the healthcare system you morons
have is characteristically socialist --- picking who lives and who dies
based on how demanding their medical needs are. Secondly, in
parliament...you have the UK "Labor
party" --- Historically, every group that labeled itself a "labor party"
has been socialist in nature, if not outright communist. Let's not even
get into the firearm prohibitions on law abiding civilians</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The
Labour party aren't in power - unfortunately - so how can you consider
them proof that the UK is socialist? The NHS doesn't "pick who lives and
dies" - the fact that not everyone can be saved from disease doesn't
mean that the UK is socialist - and how are we "morons"? How is the NHS
moroic when it's far more cost efficient than your health system? How is
it moronic for people to have healthcare offered regardles of their
luck in life? And why is it sociialist to ban firearms? It's common
sense. I find it hilarious that you think that people should have a
right to have guns.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Grace Dalton you’re not to bright</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> You say whilst using "to" instead of "too".....</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">it’s a simple mistake. GRAMMER POLICE<span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">😂</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">😂</span></span> Take a look at what you just wrote.. <span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/ffe/1/16/1f44f.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">👏</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/ffe/1/16/1f44f.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">👏</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /></span></span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I
know that we all - myself included - make grammar mistakes; but I don't
do it whilst telling people that they're unintelligent (as you did).
What do I need to "Take a look at" from what I wrote?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I'm
not sure. Many masculine people aren't toxic, and we females can
harbour toxic attitudes ourselves. Men have had more power throughout
human history, so we now see more men with harmful attitudes in
positions of power, but that doesn't necessarily mean that masculinity
is the problem. Sexual aggression is a problem. Selfishness is a
problem. Arrogance is a problem. Each human being is flawed and can
choose to indulge their natural greed or seek to develop more compassion
and empathy. I think that turning everything into identity politics
does more harm than good.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Masculinity isn't the issue. TOXIC masculinity meaning among other things misogyny and rape culture is the issue</span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">No
one's disagreeing that misogyny and rape culture are evils that need
addressing - but too often I see males as a group demonised for these
things when most aren't guilty of them. <br />The picture shows Trump and BoJo, who are most dangerous because of their lack of concern for the underprivileged, as opposed to any trait that's specifically masculine. <br />Kavanaugh's
case is primarily about politics, and about how the truth of long past
events can be discerned, toxic masculinity isn't primary reason that so
many people feel so strongly about whether or not he gets a SCOTUS seat.</span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The
key is the word ‘toxic’. It doesn’t say ‘masculinity’ is the problem,
but “toxic-masculinity” is. Just as if you join the word ‘toxic’ with
anything. The thing itself is OK but it has toxic versions.</span></span></span></i></div>
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But
it goes without saying that something "toxic" is bad. My point was that
it's not helpful to lump separate issues together under one label,
especially one that suggests that half of us aren't at risk of these
attitudes. I think that it would be better for me to use Trump and BoJo
as a reminder to fight any egotism that creeps up in me, rather than to
bemoan men.</div>
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Who
one has sex with is nothing to do with their job. Each human being is
of infinite value, and sexuality is just one component of a person. I'm
sick of our society reducing people to what they do with their genitals.</div>
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Indeed,
but the Gospel; that Christ died for us and rose, defeating death,
making possible eternal life - heaven - is incomparably more important.<br />
The Bible makes clear that God has designs that He - knowing better
than we ever could - instructs humanity not to rebel against; but also
that it's never OK to mistreat anyone (hence right leaning attitudes
amongst Christians regarding sexuality - but <span class="text_exposed_show">actual discrimination is unChritian).<br />
It also makes clear that God commands us to help the poor and
disadvantaged - including migrants (hence Christian charities and rights
movements).<br /> If we genuinely accept Jesus' sacrifice and honestly
confess our sin to God, we will naturally develop a desire to follow His
guidance; but it's the decision to truly commit to Him that determines
whether we spend eternity with Him. hen we're dead, politics won't
matter anymore, our responses to the Gospel will.</span><br />
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His gender and race are not the point. Constantly moaning about white
men - esp. when you're putting words into their mouths - is only slowing
down equality. You think that by demonising white men you'll make them
more sympathetic? You're only making them more annoyed with the left,
and supportive of the orange man. Debate peoples' actions, not their
genetics. I'm well aware that privilege leading to injustice needs to be
addressed - but it needs to be done with rational discussion, not
hating people for things that they didn't choose, otherwise you're only
increasing the resentment that will make division worse.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">You realize "white" is not genetics, right?</span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Go on then, inform me.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It went way over ur head</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
H<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ow exactly? What deep meaningful argument is to be elucidated that I've missed?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">This
is America #2018 a white man did this we gonna keep groaning about the
white man because what u suggested is not gonna work why do u feel like u
can tell the Oppressed how to be oppress when u have never walked a
day in our shoes please keep ur opinion to ur self</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">But
we all share opinions on FB. Are you saying that I have no right to
because I'm white? Is something less true if the person who writes it
doesn't have enough melanin in their skin?<br />I want for
there to more peace and equality - and it's frustrating that hared of
people because they're white males is only slowing down justice for
minorities.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">so
you're suggesting that it is up to US normal people to make white men
feel comfortable and unannoyed so they don't support Trump??<br />Nobody is about to cater to some sensitive ass white men to coddle their feelings so they won't be racist anymore.<br />You sound incredibly stupid</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">T</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hat's
not what I said. There's a difference between catering to people to
make the feel comfortable and simply not making them pointlessly angry.
How exactly is what I'm saying stupid? And are you honestly saying that
white men are abnormal?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Reread exactly what you typed without your "I'm white and what I feel is right mind" and then tell me what you think<br />Who called white men abnormal, come on now quit trying to change the narrative here.<br />Nobody is making these racist white men pointlessly angry. Their racism is the issue</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How does my comment evidence that I think that "I'm white and what I feel is right" exactly?<br />"you're
suggesting that it is up to US normal people to make white men feel
comfortable" implies that white men are separate from normal people, ie
abnormal.<br />Whose racism exactly? How has BK demonstrated racism here?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Hatred for white males is what is slowing down justice for minorities?! Are you kidding?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">yes.
Because those who feel hated are less likely to vote for politicians
who prioritise equality for those that they feel hate them. Did MLK go
around hating white people like this?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">would Bill Cosby have had chance to run for this position, had he not been convicted?</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I'm
afraid I can't advise, it's a non sequitter. Cosby isn't a judge, and
he has been convicted, on the basis of far more evidence than there is
against BK. If BK is treated any more leniently than a non white person
would be with an equal amount of
evidence, that would, obviously, be a vile miscarraige of justice. I'm
well aware that indeed non white people are often treated far more
harshly than whites comparable crimes, and it goes without saying that
this is grotesque beyond words. But that doesn't mean that BK's case
shouldn't be thoroughly scrutinised, nor does it mean that labelling BK
as racist is legitimate or constructive. We need to focus on
highlighting genuine racism, rather than making it up with memes like
this^, so that people who aren't aware of the extent of the issue might
rethink.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/JonathonAVanMaren/videos/1238611892948346/"><span class="fwb">Six-year-olds taught to write same-sex love letters</span><span class="_44bj"> - I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Please
do not send your child to a public school. This is the sort of thing
they will be taught: Six-year-olds taught to write gay love letters.</span></a></div>
The
video is horrifying - but the problem is with that school - which is
not typical, hence it being on a national news programme. <br />
We need
to tell children about why this^ is wrong, not to avoid sending children
to public school. What are people supposed to do? Speaking (writing)
from Britain (where the clip is recorded) I need you to understand that
this actually isn't up for debate - almost eve<span class="text_exposed_show">ryone attends public school, couldn't attend other schools and isn't harmed (or brainwashed) by it.<br />
School fees make it impossible for most families to afford private
schools. Even if they could, why presume that private schools are any
less likely to adhere to liberal attitudes on sex? Is it morally right
to spend an amount on private school for one child, who has the offer of
school for free, that could instead pay to enable schooling (through
strongly Christian charities, who impart genuine Christian messages to
the children) for dozens of children in developing countries who will
otherwise be trapped in poverty for life?<br /> Regardless of what
children hear in the school curriculum, other children and television or
the internet are incomparably more likely to convey liberal messages
about sex. And you make a child less able to serve as a light in this
dark world if you shut them off so severely from their peers - you also
make them seriously likely to end up feeling resentful later on, and as
teenagers or young adults they'll rebel. Our society is full of middle
aged adults who were sent to Catholic schools, hated them, and now hate
anything to do with Christianity. They pass on this revulsion of God to
their children. Parents have more potential to impact children than
school.<br /> The best thing is for parents to talk constantly and
honestly with kids, so that kids feel that they can trust them; and
parents will be able to explain why things like this^(video) are wrong.</span><br />
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<span class="text_exposed_show"></span><a href="https://www.standard.co.uk/fashion/saint-laurent-paris-fashion-week-spring-summer-ss19-a3945941.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1537972155" target="_blank">Saint Laurent presents an ode to the Little Black Dress at Paris Fashion Week SS19</a></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">THE Little Black Dress"? Is it not just any black dress? <br />And
why not browse Oxfam branches, or their site, where there are various
black dresses - including plenty from expensive labels - so that the
money spent feeds a family for weeks, rather than spending many times
more to get one that's been on the catwalk slightly more recently?</span></span></span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span><br />
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Fairer international trade, and intelligent development are more
important than any other political issue. Whilst we bicker about Brexit,
there are innocent human beings are starving; lacking clean water,
electricity and health care; and who are working 10-20 hour days in
sweatshops and plantations. It's ultimately largely the result of
exploitation by nations like ours for centuries (now via Western based
corporations).<br />
I cannot beg you enough to keep in mind the world's poorest people.<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Frelevantmagazine.com%2Fculture%2Freport-nike-has-gained-6-billion-in-value-since-the-kaepernick-campaign%2F&h=AT3_LRpCSsop-cJ_XJYCmWNcGJ-mNdExXVbFG5iiQn_w-Y1GKbWRUtP2gr__VAOZn6T6IjogZq-doeH_k5_o84yqKgP8C36elbOnAV51NH1qC2FtG_OdWUFqAYMHDvuHbJ_d_g" href="https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/report-nike-has-gained-6-billion-in-value-since-the-kaepernick-campaign/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Report: Nike Has Gained $6 Billion in Value Since the Kaepernick Campaign</span></a></div>
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Could
they distribute some of that $6 Bn amongst it's grossly impoverished
factory workers? Esp. if they want to make out that they're concerned
about social justice.</div>
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people" according to what statistics? Why are the 2 beliefs implied to
be mutually exclusive? What video footage are you expecting from 2000
years ago?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, it seems.</span></span></i></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Then why not explain my supposed error?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">They
aren’t implied to be mutually exclusive. And the fact that some people
believe in a story from 2000 years ago and not a video from 2 days ago
is the point.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I
agree entirely that it's absurd to dispute police brutality. But is it
not absurd to presume that the resurrection didn't happen, and think no
more about it, on the basis that modern forms of evidence aren't
available, when it's the best clue we have regarding our potential
existence beyond death?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
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$6, rather than buying a coffee/snack, could feed a child for a whole month (via <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard-prefer-more-content-show="1" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/page.php?id=109934439031299&extragetparams=%7B%22eid%22%3A%22ARB3WuAuVT9wS_r5Qapvw8P5U9Plyw_IRYnKyoVP5TYfvKPzzgCtL-AI5877y9bEBJovBtCT06eSlwou%22%2C%22fref%22%3A%22tag%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/lgfth/?eid=ARB3WuAuVT9wS_r5Qapvw8P5U9Plyw_IRYnKyoVP5TYfvKPzzgCtL-AI5877y9bEBJovBtCT06eSlwou&fref=tag">Feed The Hungry USA</a>)</div>
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How
can we know if "The main reason most Anglican members voted for leave
is because the EU is an anti Christian organisation"? You may be right,
but how can that be known without survey results? I personally wanted us
to leave (not because I'm older, I was 24 at the referendum) but didn't
vote because of the racism of the Leave campaign. Welby's in no way
obliged to adhere to the view of congregants - unless of course thre's
clear leading from God toward that viewpoint. But I desperately wish
that more of his media-covered statements could be about God and the
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equally concerned about her joking that she'd like to break up a
family; and about the premise of What Not to Wear - throwing away
clothes and spending ridiculous amounts on buying more, encouraging the
evil of disposable fashion leading to planet destroying waste and
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Why the frack is there a laughter reaction on this? Tina Lewis I don't
normally criticise people - but your laughter and comment (though
perhaps you'll have deleted that by now) are vile. The attack was
"senseless" - so the victim could well have been entirely non-violent
themselves; but whoever they were, their death is a tragedy, and they'll
have family whose lives will be ruined. <br />
And you say that it's
normal in "Londonstani" - which is firstly wrong in that adding the i on
the end indicates an adjective or person, not a place; but aside from
that it's blatantly ignorant - the knife crime issue is separate from
the Islamic terrorism issue.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">oh shut up its called humour LOL <span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">😂</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">😂</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /></span></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><i> </i><i> </i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i>The londonstanians are even having a laugh get off you're high horse <span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">😂</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">😂</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/fd0/1/16/1f602.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">😂</span></span></i><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"></span></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><span class="_47e3 _5mfr">No, it's not "called humour". It's death. "The londonstanians are even having a laugh"? Have you surveyed us? I'm a Londoner and I'm not laughing. The knife crime issue is in the news here constantly - no one finds it funny. What's wrong with you?</span></span></span></span><br />
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Note that the photo is a memorial against abortion, not for it as your headline suggests. And nothing awful is likely to happen at the vigils outside of abortion clinics, because they're just people stand praying and holding plaquards - the people standing with cameras and high-vis vests in the way of the clinic entrances are the pro-abortion groups, not the pro-life groups.<br />
There's no evidence of<span class="text_exposed_show"> pro-lifers being aggressive - if they were they'd be dealt with via existing anti-social behaviour laws, no buffer zones (bans on pro-lifers outside abortion clinics) are necessary.<br />The reason that people don't like the pro-life vigils is that they hate to see images that show that something awful happens when abortions take place. And clinic staff are furious because the pro-lifers are a threat to their profits.<br />We make a choice if we have sex. We shouldn't then have the choice to kill another human being.</span><br />
<span class="text_exposed_show"></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">All of this is incorrect. You’re denying women the ability to access legal health care in safety and anonymity. Furthermore I just think you’re an out and out piece of shit.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Care to explain what exactly is incorrect about it? Women still have safety and anonymity - the pro-lifers aren't endangering them nor identifying them. And to say that something's legal doesn't mean it's morally OK.</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">You believe that chasing people, hitting people, and calling them murderers is not harassment? Because while I’m in the US I’ve seen that for myself from protestors here and from what this article and others say that is what happens there sooooo</span></span></span></i><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">C</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hasing people, hitting people, and calling them murderers is not what's been happening outside UK clinics.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">That’s literally what this article is about. You’re a piece of shit</span></span></span></i> <br />
T<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">he article is about people holding crosses and praying. That's not harassment. Plaquards aren't harassment. The article mentions a single incident of a single protester being physically aggressive - and they should be dealt with by the law for assault, it doesn't make sense to ban all pro-lifers on the basis of an individual or 2.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">FYI, pro lifers don't exist. They're only pro up to the point of birth. They take no interest in the life of the child once born.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
A<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ccording to who? Pro life groups here, who've been protesting outside abortion clinics, have been working to support pregnant women in need of help. And ultimately, there are parents desperate for babies who would adopt.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class="_5mdd _1n4g">It's interesting how you mention people making a choice to have sex. I take it that you therefore would agree that where someone is pregnant because of rape they should be able seek out these services, if there so wish. I’m sure you'd also agree that they should be able to do this in a peaceful and private manner.</span></i><span class="_5mdd _1n4g"><i> Also, on your point of profits I believe I am correct in saying that UK abortion clinics are run either by the NHS or charities, so while they still must stay solvent to operate, I feel it is not a stretch to say their focus is on caring for their patients rather than “cashing in”</i>.</span><br />
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<span class="_5mdd _1n4g">R</span><span class="_5mdd">ape accounts for <1% of abortion cases. Indeed the NHS pays - and it's grossly overstretched, it urgently needs those funds for saving lives. The clinics are still run by corporations (reimbursed by the NHS) so they are cashing in from carrying out more abortions. If a woman rethinks her abortion and decides not to go through with it, they'll lose money for that they would have made. And given that that's the case, how can we rely on their "evidence" of "harassment"? Some women will also respond harassment, because they hate that they were reminded of the horrific thing that was about to happen - but plaquards and leaflets are not harassment. Actual harassment would be dealt with by police anyway.</span><br />
<span class="_5mdd">What about the women who get pregnant following rape? Do you expect them to carry, birth and raise the child of their rapist? </span><br />
<span class="_5mdd"><i>What about the women who have taken the precaution of birth control but it has failed? How about the women who would cause themselves serious harm or possible death if they carry a baby to full term? There are a plethora of reasons a woman requires an abortion. You don't like abortion? Fine don't have an abortion but don't force your opinion on other people. </i><i>As for the no evidence of prolifers being aggressive there's litterally a personal story in this article about a profiler attacking and threatening a member of a clinic staff. And the placards and images they use are 90% of the time doctored, falsified or just plain fake.</i></span><span class="_5mdd"><i> </i></span><br />
H<span class="_5mdd">ow are the photos fake exactly? Expanation/evidence please.<br />Rape only accounts for 1% of abortion cases, according to PP's statistics - it's legitimate to presume that it's the same, or less than that, here.<br />If birth control fails, a woman could make an infertile couple who specifically want to adopt a baby overjoyed. But ultimately sex wasn't necessary in the first place, the possibility of pregnancy should always be considered when one chooses to have sex.<br />I'm not forcing my opnion on others, I'm expressing my opinion. that's what we all do online - but I'm not actually preventing a woman having an abortion.<br />To say "You don't like abortion? Fine don't have an abortion but" misses the point - it's about the unborn human that's about to be killed. Would you say "You don't like child abuse? Fine don't abuse your child but don't force your opinion on others"?</span><br />
<i><span class="_5mdd _1n4g">Hi, shame you don't tag people in replies. It's almost like you don't want to have a conversation about this issue. On you rape cases please could I have your sources for this statistic. Regarding the NHS I would need to do more research. Please could your share your sources regarding how the funding works in this area? But what about in cases where people have abortions for medical reasons, do they deserve to walk through a picket line for a procedure that may be saving their life? <br />In a world where all these potential children are born will you and your family<br />- Adopt the severely disabled child that their parents can't care for?<br />- Pay more tax to support the financially struggling family who had a child out of the blue?<br />- Care for the person who was assaulted and now must carry a reminder of a terrible incident to term?<br />- Foster the child whose parent is not able to cope with a child<br />Abortions took place before legalisations and they would if that were ever revoked, the only difference being that legalisations stopped people from all walks of life suffering unnecessarily.</span></i><br />
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">If a woman is having an abortion for a medical reason, it'll be at a hospital, not an abortion clinic. And the pro lifers don't form picket lines. There are some picket lines in the photographs, showing pro-abortion activists trying to deter the pro-lifers who are already metres away from the clinic.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Your hypothetical questions almost all assume that everyone is obliged to have sex - but we aren't. So it's no one else's responsibility to foster the result of another person's choice to have sex. But yes, if I were able and allowed, I would certainly foster or adopt.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Please note also that abortions - whilst legal, in abortion clinics - are still very dangerous to<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>the mothers (as well as killing their offspring) last year abulances had to be called out 778 times to abortion clinics in London alone. https://lifecharity.org.uk/news-and-views/ambulances-called-778-times-london-independent-abortion-clinics/</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">As I said, that data on how many abortions have rape as the reason are from Planned Parenthood (via their research body, the Guttmacher institute) - this is one summary<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">The reality is that our culture has conned us into thinking that sex is a vital part of life, as soon as you're old enough, such that the consequences should be erased. In fact sex isn't at all necessary to enjoy life (esp. given that people can make out and do things that don't lead to pregnancy) so accidental pregnancies are mostly a result of corporate greed that's used sex to sell and in doing so, manipulated our behavioural norms.</span><br />
<i><span class="_5mdd">I don’t know any woman who is messed up over having an abortion. Stop infantilising women. We can make up our own minds and yes, some women will regret having an abortion. Many will not though. Just mind your own business.</span></i><br />
<span class="_5mdd">I know women who bitterly regret their abortions, one in particular is seriously disturbed by it. <br />And many women will not talk about feelings of regret, because that's the nature of regret and guilt - we often won't want to admit to or think about things that hurt or that we think might have been the wrong decision. So if you "don’t know any woman who is messed up over having an abortion" it might just be that your social circle doesn't include any, or it might be because they wouldn't talk about it anyway.</span><br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Ouch. You just lost my vote</span></span></span></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Methinks you're merely a silly Tory troll and you'd never vote for any socialist.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">O</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">n what basis do you presume that I'm not a Labour voter? Why does wanting wealth to be more fairly distributed mean that I should also be in favour of tiny humans beings killed?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I find all religion to be evil, delusional, and counterproductive in the extreme, and yet I wouldn’t dream of protesting outside a church, and were I to do so, I should expect the police would move me on in short order, to protect an imaginary God’s followers. The people protesting outside these clinics are swine, pure and simple, keep your Stone Age beliefs to yourself. And since you’re a Christian, if that offends you, hey, forgive me.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">P</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">rotesting outside a Church wouldn't be comparable, there aren't tiny humans being killed inside a Church. <br />How are you defining swine - what exactly have they done that's so disgusting to you?<br />How do you define "religion" if you consider it "all evil, and counterproductive in the extreme"? Clearly some people claiming to be acting in hte name of God have done abhorrent things (labelling yourself as religious is a logical way that an evil person might seek to justify their actions to those around them - it doesn't change the facts of what God/Jesus actually taught).<br />How do you know that Christians are delusional? How much have you investigated the academic rationale some hold for what we believe?</span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Tiny humans may not be killed inside the church, just brainwashed, sexually abused etc</span></span></span></i></div>
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The sex abuse scandal is, obviously, evil beyond words - but the vast majority of Churches are safe. How exactly are children being brainwashed in Churches?<br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Don't the aborted children go to heaven? </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I’m sure you need to be welcomed into the church via baptism to enter heaven. I’m sorry. I’m a recovering catholic...</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">S</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">orry you went through that - the Bible definitely doesn't say that "you need to be welcomed into the church via baptism to enter heaven". Jesus said that He is The Way - Baptism is a symbol of a personal commitment; and it's the commitment to God, not the symbol (nor the Church), that ultimately matters.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I suspect many more women feel liberated and thankful they have been offered CHOICE!</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Plenty of people won't talk about things that they want to forget, so they won't proclaim it in the way that some people boast about abortion. But the people I know personally who've had abortions have told me that they're seriously upset that they aborted. And yes, there's research on it, for example, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/abortion-and-mental-health-quantitative-synthesis-and-analysis-of-research-published-19952009/E8D556AAE1C1D2F0F8B060B28BEE6C3D</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span> <br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i>So, let me get this straight. The law in this country is probably (hopefully) not going to change any time soon regarding a woman's right to decide what her body is used for. That is a given. So you are saying that Labour has lost your vote because Je</i><i>remy feels that it is not OK for religious fanatics to stand outside medical facilities and threaten and intimidate and film women coming to see a physician. That is what you are saying.</i></span></span></span>N<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">o, that's not what I'm saying. How are you defining "religious fanatics"? What's wrong with leaflets and plaquards? The filming has been by pro abortion activists wanting to expose anti abortion protesters, the anti abortion protesters are't the ones filming. If some of the pro lifers are threatening or aggressive, common laws against anti social behaviour can be used.</span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">If what's happening in the clinic is morally OK, why wouldn't people simply walk past the protestes and ignore them?<br />The reality is that abortion is a tragedy and people don't want to be reminded. And corporations like BPAS and Marie Stopes are £profitting from convincing wome to do someting that many later feel emotionally damaged by.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">You're not pro life, you're pro forced birth. Not one of you have any care for the mother or the child she'd be forced to give birth to.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"Forced birth"? Less than 1% of abortions are due to rape, so in nearly all cases, no one forced the woman to have sex. How do you know that pro lifers don't care about the mother? Groups involved in the protests have been working to provide resources and accommodation for the mothers - and there are also parents looking to adopt who specifically want newborns. Part of the reason we (those of us who are against abortion, I'm not actively involved in the vigils outside clinics) oppose abortion is that it hurts women - the corporations who carry out abortions £profit; so why are we the ones that you deem not to care?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">It's a zygote, literally a brain dead cell</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">N</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">o, it's not "literally a brain dead cell" at all, what biology have you done? it's a living cluster of totipotent stem cells - that is, cells that have the potential to differentiate into any type of cell, and which contain their own unique, complete genome, including the genetically encoded instructions that will create an entire developed individual human. <br />But this isn't about zygotes. This is about foetuses (foetus, BTW, is simply Latin for offspring) that have beating hearts and that flinch when prodded. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehd.org%2Fscience_main.php%3Flevel%3Di&h=AT02cCRUX90sHIHlPu3DhZEmL4uN04Bd5JikrEdXM2vRcWCU7zx4DrAapDu4Q3Es0vgiEF323w1PAyxLonaq1ryn9DxQzj91UGR6TdJ86osu9wiCqABBAcWkX8w8KbP7_us4" dir="ltr" href="http://www.ehd.org/science_main.php?level=i" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.ehd.org/science_main.php?level=i</a><br />And I am indeed trying to spend my time on things more useful(I don't take part in the vigils, I'm simply arguing that they shouldn't be banned) and am in support of contraception - but note that it is very widely available, including for free on the NHS, but still scores of abortions take place.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Doesn’t matter if the woman chose to have sex, birth control isn’t 100% and abortion is not taken lightly. It is a last or only resort. No woman should be forced to carry and give birth to a child that she doesn’t want and/or can’t look after. And don’t bother saying adoption, because there is no guarantee that the child will have a good or even decent life that way, and not everyone is willing to put their body through such stress (physically and mentally/emotionally) to give a baby up</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i> <br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">W</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">hy doesn't it matter that she chose to have sex? Because she made that choice, it's invalid to say that she's being "forced".<br /> Why does her right to have sex entail the right to then kill the human that results? No one needs to sex to enjoy life, if one chooses to engage in it, why should avoiding the duration of pregnancy take priority over the life of the individual that's aborted? Of course adoption's no "guarantee of a good lie" nothing is(!), but in families where couples are unable and desperate to have a baby, the adopted child is just as likely, quite possibly more so, than typical children (typical meaning raised by their biological parents who hadn't wanted to abort), to be loved.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">As a Christian myself, I cannot believe for one moment that Jesus would vote conservative, as they go against many things he stands for. For a party which claim to both Christian and patriotic, they practice neither. They won elections by prejudicing skinflints through their pockets with lies and false stereotyping. No different to how Ebenezer Scrooge thought before his visitations. Jesus wept, he really would.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Y</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ikes, I'm not suggesting that the Tories are Christian, or would vote for them. You're right, Jesus was massively concerned about justice for the poor. My original comment meant that I'll consider abstaining in future elections, not that I'm going to vote against social justice.</span></span></span><br />
<i>B<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ut a lost vote for labour is still an extra vote for the tories. Labour are still the morally better party for social justice.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">A </span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> lost vote for Labour isn't a vote for Tories, it's just one less vote. If a lost vote Labour were a vote for the Tories, what ould an actual vote for the Tories (which I won't do) be?<br />The reality is that my MP got 2/3 of our constituencies votes any way. I'm very grateful to him as my MP, since he's a Labour MP concerned about social justice but has only abstained from votes on abortion or voted to reduce the 24 week allowance. <br />So I feel sickened voting for a party that supports abortion, but want to support my MP and would never vote against him - I feel like abstaining is the most logical conclusion.</span></span></span><br />
<a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KCbqedamlx8/W7lMea3S6qI/AAAAAAAAAdk/_HtquJz5K80MM-D27ywvN86-hZQeEDHLQCEwYBhgL/s1600/7b58a77029746d4ef4023e21312b0e0b.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="374" data-original-width="564" height="212" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KCbqedamlx8/W7lMea3S6qI/AAAAAAAAAdk/_HtquJz5K80MM-D27ywvN86-hZQeEDHLQCEwYBhgL/s320/7b58a77029746d4ef4023e21312b0e0b.jpg" width="320" /></a><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I am not absolutely pro abortion willy nilly either, more education and responsibility is needed against unsafe sex for instance. I also believe fathers should at least have some say although at the end of the day it isn't his body going through it. However if her life is at risk due to being pregnant, or pregnant due to rape, well these are entirely different matters altogether and feel they are definitely an exception which we should stay out of. How would you feel if a teenage girl was raped and impregnated by her dad and she wanted an abortion? There are grey areas for sure. But speaking as a Christian myself, it is not for me to judge. It is her choice to make whatever her reasons are, not ours. </span></span></span></i><br />
I<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">ndeed there are gret areas - and I'd never attend these vigils, but I feel that they shouldn't be banned. The instances of rape are so very, very few as a proportion of abortion cases, it wouldn't be reasonable to endorse abortion on the basis of those grey areas - but indeed, we mustn't judge, and I'm not, I'm angry with the politicians, abortion groups and pro abortion protesters who claim that they're on the side of morality.<br />But what matters incomparably more is Jesus, and I need to spend my time serving and proclaiming Him, not wasting time on threads like this.<br />But it's been nice talking to you <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f4c/1/16/1f642.png" width="16" /></span></span></span></span> </div>
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No, the reason is that a substantial minority of parents have been conned into thinking that the MMR vaccine (ie to prevent measles) causes autism, thus have refused to allow their kids to have it.</div>
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Perhaps - but saying "F*** someone" doesn't do anything to make things better. If it does anything it will make that person and their fans more stubborn and unwilling to reconsider their views. If you want to actually help fix things, you need to explain why Trump etc are wrong.</div>
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You honestly think that blind prejudice is the only reason that people voted for Trump? I'm not saying that people should have voted for him - but the reasons were far more complex than bigotry alone.</div>
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Frankly, it's depressing that our culture is so obesssed with sex that we feel the need to debate this. they're puppets, with no genitals, who solely perform for children to educate them in basic math and English.<br />
Human beings are infinitely more precious and valuable than their sexuality. Ascribing sexuality to childrens' puppets is a nonsensical, tragic indication of how society now treats everyone like a sex object, reducing people to what they do with their sex organs.</div>
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">They're characters. Just because Julia is a puppet and doesn't actually have autism doesn't mean the character doesn't speak to some 3 year old out there.</span></span></span></i><span class="_5mdd"><i> </i></span></div>
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B<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ut autism, and social skills, are relevant to children - sex isn't.</span></span></span><span class="_5mdd"></span></div>
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If it wants to be a cow, we should be Udder-standing, and let it know that it's feelings are Herd. How could you find this aMoosing? Obviously when it was younger, it hadn't yet reVeal-ed its true self, and people were miSteak-en in their cisnormative prejudice.<br />
(*In case it wasn't clear, this was just a naff joke - I feel a compulsion to Milk stories about cows for puns)</div>
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In case you've not seen it yet - (fundraising for KTHopkins) https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/justiceforkatiehopkins<br />
Separately, there was a fundraising page to buy Hopkin's house (mansion that she could no longer afford) to turn into a refugee shelter.<br />
IMO - Though the Trussell Trust, which the linked page is raising for is, obviously, a great cause, it would make more sense for it to be raising money for refugees. The people risking their lives on Dinghies are in even greater need than food bank users, and Hopkin's fans would be far more ticked off about migrants being helped. </div>
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Statements like "Would they just rather import more immigrants from the Middle East instead?" demonstrate that you guys have been seriously misled about how things are here. I see it in countless comments on Fox posts too - it seems that many of you on the right genuinely think that we've(Britain) been overrun by Muslims - you're being duped.<br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Really? We see the news. Nice try. How about your Muslim mayor who is a disaster. Things are not going well for him now.</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">You're just proving my point. "We see the news" but the news you're watching is misleading. I see lots of news about Trump that he and his supporters will call fake news - so why should you presume that the news outlet you want to trust is perfectly accurate about my country? I see the news here n Britain - from left wing and right wing outlets, and try to scrutinise data when it's available. And I actually live here. You really think that you know better than me about what's happening here? How, exactly, is Sadiq Khan "a disaster"?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I knew Britain was on a downhill slide when chicken tikka masala replaced fish & chips as the national dish. When 7 out of 10 British-born Muslims under 30 say they would replace Parliament with sharia law if they could, you've lost the soul of your nation.</span></span></i></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">N</span></span></i></span>o, a nation doesn't have a soul, people do. And most souls here have abandoned God - the threats are atheism and materialism; and, increasingly, paganism - not Islam. Indeed there are more Muslim people now than there were - but they're still a tiny proportion, and they're growing in number because they have more kids than us "native" Brits, not because significant numbers are converting to Islam. And most British Muslims are closer to God and keener to live good lives most "natives" who have no genuine interest in Him.<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></i></div>
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This ad^ is a reflection of the far bigger issue than worship of Allah - worship of sex.<br />
Do we love God? His word tells us repeatedly to have concern for those in need, including those from elsewhere - so if we love Him we won't rage against Muslims, we'll rage against the things drawing people away from Him.<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">People are keen to indulge in temptations, and disregard Christianity because they presume that following God's guidelines would make life less enjoyable. Alternatively, or additionally, people presume Christianity to be nonsense and haven't made their own assessments of the scientific, philosophical and historical rationale behind it. Meanwhile Christianity is judged by daft and evil actions of some who claim to be Christian whilst not actually following Christ. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F&h=AT1o36nmTJzFD0B7G3ht_VL9qtAq5zr-bQ_u_s2K7Hg2r8PLMPL9Z3UhDmuW6_KzyD_m19OA3ovr50_7f_JDTHU6JVexJq-NruOgwrqRRo-7yRxQ_Mij-lbX138BeYiXovtt" dir="ltr" href="http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Correct, science doesn't disprove God, but science and religions are frequently inconsistent, and many passages in the bible are nonsense, incompatible with other passages in the bible, or outright immoral, such as its endorsement of permanently owning people (slavery in Exodus).</span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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"Religions are frequently inconsistent" but this is about Christianity.<br />
The Bible indeed seems odd in various places - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's immoral nonsense, it's on account of the Bible having been written millennia ago in an entirely different society and translated from another language. Christianity entails not merely reading the Bible, but studying it and its context, to better make sense of fundamental linguistic, cultural and theological points. How do you define slavery? It's equivocal, in the Bible, to today being an employee.</div>
The Bible was written in a society where "slavery" was not necessarily anything like slavery of recent centuries, and was the unquestioned norm. Some slaves were indeed mistreated, but plenty were treated well and had a better standard of living than free people, who had to continually search for work<span class="text_exposed_show"> to survive.<br />The Bible compels slave masters to treat their slaves well, contrary to other cultures at the time, and Jesus commands us to treat others as we would like to be treated and love others as ourselves - so even if He's not recorded as having banned slavery, He has banned all of the aspects of slavery that you're worrying about <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zachariastrust.org%2Fdoes-the-bible-condone-slavery&h=AT2Gz6Kht1rs9UN7eu9KERRM6LJ1hZBawPfq0dAfZdnMxiqVhilDnDf8j-Y_SR0RxvBljSRCvB-XNWbz-eKQQUKe6kbImiQ_WZrEgxzmh7veP8aYp9oaxhIJRbEuRvpwQqj8R7sR" href="https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone-slavery" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.zachariastrust.org/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>does-the-bible-condone-slavery</a></span><br />
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Also, the photo is a lie. The head of the woman in the before and after pictures have completely identical hair and facial expressions, and the bows on the sides of her bikini are in precisely the same positions. You've clearly just used photoshop to create the slimming - so you're lying, whilst also hiding the serious risks to mental and physical health that people will put themselves at risk of.</div>
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Obvs. I'm seriously disturbed to hear about how Amazon mistreats its workers. It's also killing lots of older, smaller businesses, meaning that people lose jobs and dodging taxes. But I'm genuinely confused as to why quite so many purchases are made through it - I always find that ebay and brands own sites are better value and easier to browse.<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Matthew 22:37-40 'Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” '<br />The eternal life free of suffering that Jesus offers - given that it will last incomparably longer than any aspect of this lifetime - is the most significant thing that human beings can aim towards.<br />But the next priority should be to work to make life fairer for those who are poorest.<br />The Bible has many, many verses insisting that we help the poor (often specifying that this includes people of other nations), eg <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.compassion.com%2Fpoverty%2Fwhat-the-bible-says-about-poverty.htm%23faq-tcm%3A5-405410&h=AT1GKByjwv_7KUxVncxq94VUBCGnS7Gi6Lvdn6_i1tGKj1fWEff1beZqOHy4thTtbuomaAto6sz9UORm4_QhMkEnVCoiOm7lbo01LxuDT1cHq05haf1iQ_ROEBulTnyTklIi" dir="ltr" href="https://www.compassion.com/poverty/what-the-bible-says-about-poverty.htm#faq-tcm:5-405410" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.compassion.com/.../what-the-bible-says-about..</a></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Enough to know that Samuel 15:3 is indicative of most conservative Christians.</span></span></i></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">S</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">o you haven't studied the Bible, you've just plucked out context specific verses you found online?<br />The OT is incredibly complex, but *genuine* Christianity is to truly accept Jesus' sacrifice for us, which causes us to want to live by His example and teaching. <br />*obviously plenty of people label themselves as Christians because they like the identity tag, but aren't actually following Christ.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I have faith that God doesn't exist, faith and trust in my objectivity and rationality. Supplemented with incredulity at a book written 1900 years ago that's full of stories that people use to perpetuate horrific acts of war, violence, persecution and rape. The faith that there is no God is no more valid than yours, but should still be respected.</span></span></span></i></div>
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When did I show disrespect?<br />
I agree entirely that objectivity and rationality.<br />
Can you help me understand how exactly they've led you to your position of faith that there's no God?<br />
I also agree - obviously - that we must consider and address the abuse to which you refer with the utmost fervour. But evil done by humans shouldn't be the basis by which we judge texts written beforehand.<br />
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Why would anyone who wants to follow God give preference to the opinion of a human over God's word? Of coure God's not biologically male, since He hasn't thechromosomes that determine being male - but if He refers to Himself as male, it should mean more to a Christian than trying to be feminist.</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How do you know which chromosomes God has ? Who is God ? Where is he ? How do you know he exists ? And if you can't prove he does or doesn't exist, how would you know what he/her/it is ?</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Asking if God has chromosomes would by like a robot asking if the engineer that created it if th(the human) has a memory chip. Chromosomes are components of what God has created, comprised of molecules that He created. He's not comprised of molecules Himself, let alone of biological cells with DNA.<br />I know He exists because so many details of physics and biology evidence that they could not have come about by chance. For example, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Ffinetuning&h=AT3woKgkYqxfKu0TZh87HNkIrwxdvu0Kz6tvYL2KDR9LULwvYX7c8Ju3gyCzc6V47sa9QMwdoB7-yk9RlLq1kZhBtnHzjKr9vlpHt7LggukCNZ2aG54JuScDp2FIZZUfKiUG" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning</a></span></span></span><br />
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James 1:27 "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."<br />
There are people who call themselves Christians of all political persuasions and social attitudes - what matters is Christ, and some people who claim to be Christians aren't following Him at all. Jesus made it clear that we should treat others as we'd like to be treated.</div>
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Addressing racial injustice is incomparably more important than patriotism; it's a tragedy that concern about the justice doesn't extend to providing fair pay and conditions to factory workers.<br />
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This is truly antithetical to Christianity - following Christ entails concern for others, such as the people Kaepernick was protesting for, the homeless people who could have used those shoes, and the impoverished sweatshop workers who laboured to make them. Following Christ also means not worshipping other things - those angry about the protests are worshipping Nationalism.</div>
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Is it not hypocritical of Nike to pretend to support racial justice when it grossly exploits its factory workers in other countries?</div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Is it hypocritical to suddenly care about foreign factory workers being exploited only after the Nike/Kaepernick ad?</span></span></i></span><i> </i></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why do you think I'm "suddenly" concerned? I've been heartbroken about this for as long as I can remember. I contact corporations and politicians about it; talk about it on phone in radio when possible; and buy as much of what I do as possible from charities working in developing countries, rather than supporting the continuation of sweatshops - but I need to do more, it's hard to know what given that my attempts to get a group together have always failed.</span></span></span><br />
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Name a corporation that doesn't</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I know, that's why I aim to buy from charity shops (esp. Oxfam). And there are more and more start ups focussing on ethical sourcing, such as People Tree. If enough of us stop buying typical brands and contact corporations to ask for Fair Trade, eventually more will begin to change.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span> <br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Mighty Christian of you throwing stones...</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"Throwing stones"? I'm not inflicting harm on anyone. I feel bothered by injustice anyway, but as a Christian, I'm compelled to be concerned about it, eg Isaiah 1:17 tells us to "seek justice, correct oppression"</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">White Racism is a lie .blacks can live in europe freely .try living in africa with your white skin and see what will happen .</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i> <br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">This isn't about Europe, the protest Nike is endorsing is about racism in America, which is far worse. But yes, there is racism in Europe - as you'll find if you research it, otherwise, how on Earth can you think that you know (whether racism against black people happens) given that you aren't black?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Do you mean like Trump saying America first, yet his and his daughter’s clothing lines are made in sweatshops overseas? That type of hypocritical?</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
S<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">imilar. But it really bothers me that the left seems only concerned about injustice within our own nations. Here in the UK, I always vote left - but I desperately wish that my peers were a bit more concerned about poverty and racial injustice at its most extreme, which is in its Global manifestations, given that our privilege is at the expense of human beings far beyond our borders.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Where's the evidence of any god at all, let alone that he has any human feelings of decency or compassion? In fact, the Bible outlines someone like Trump- narcissistic and petulant and prone to fits of mass murder.</span></span></span></i></div>
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Where do I start? There are scores of articles and lectures online explaining academics' rationale for concluding that God exists - which have you examined? The reason that originally convinced me is mentioned in a Time article that I came across recently; <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F&h=AT1CcVCpYBdNP2rXcFvdjskPNxBGi6NMc5Ir_aVbz8QD2qL6oPEk4XUEMfWCdgJQPvK49ppweWtvIOsPzBwS-ULDMdwuHiUArm4ReolnrPYCkqLO2G6reBGDjkj5Rk8k6vjMxdPr" href="http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">http://time.com/77676/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a><br />
What's led you to the conclusion that "the Bible outlines someone like Trump"? Yanking snippets out of the Old Testament, ignoring their context and ignoring the New Testament, isn't a reasonable way to evaluate God.</div>
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The hype about this as being progressive seems odd. Obviously it's great to tackle racial inequality, but this film brags about another serious inequality. Celebrating people being crazy rich only makes us less aware of how privileged we are, it's not helping the world. How much coverage has there been of the Asians who create countless things that we buy and are grossly underpaid? Or the Asians whose lives are being destroyed by climate change that our consumption has fuelled? I'd rather give the money it would cost to go to the cinema to a charity helping the poorest Asians with education and healthcare.<br />
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Obviously, it depends on the time span, the location, the organisation and the activities - but I've always thought that it makes most sense to donate the money one has to the most efficient and trustworthy overseas charities, rather than spend significant amounts on flights. The money that it costs to visit developing countries is enough to feed and educate a child in a developing country for years.</div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It's NOTHING TO DO WITH CORBYN. Seriously, being on the left doesn't mean that Corbyn suggested or approved this^<br />It's ridiculous to just lump all left wingers together.</span></span></span><span class="fwb"> </span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">....and you know this because?</span></span></span></i><span class="fwb"></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">What evidence do you have that Corbyn has in any way suggested or encouraged the harassment in the video? Calling him a "Corbyn troll" is an incredibly unintelligent over generalisation purely because the Express hates Corbyn. Would you think it OK if right wing politicians names to right wing extremists? Should I lump Conservative politicians together with Nazis because they're all on the right? For me to do so would be daft, but it's just as illogical to label the protester I the video as a Corbyn troll.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Most Left-wingers are like this</span></span></span></i> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"Most"? Defined how? What statistics are you basing that on? <br />And what exactly is a left winger, since you assume that they can be treated as a single species? Everyone's different. I'm left wing on most issues, but seriously value <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=1274780909265887&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/JacobReesMogg/?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">Jacob Rees-Mogg</a>'s discussion on a few specific topics. Human beings and politics aren't black and white.</span></span></span></div>
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<i>John McDonnell and Richard Burgon joined with Class War on a protest just last week in SW1, where they brandished the very same banner that they took to Rees-Mogg’s family home<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">John MacDonell attending a protest with Ian Bone doesn't mean that he, let alone Corbyn, are supportive of the harassment in the video. That would be like me blaming you for bullying by someone who attended a football that you did supporting the same team - sharing a cause doesn't mean agreeing with another person's behaviour and being responsible for it.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">O</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">h dear you believed the far left a narrative that the national socialists were on the right!</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I'm well aware that the Nazis originally called themselves national socialists - but their actions demonstrate the opposite.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span> </div>
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This conversation is getting ridiculous - seriously, where is your evidence that Corbyn is in any way supportive of the evil carried out by those dictators who called themselves socialists? Their evil was in enacting principles fundamentally contrary to those that Corbyn espouses.</div>
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<a data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fsojo.net%2Farticles%2Fgetting-over-threat-hell&h=AT1Lap-fPpk59jddbQqQxerQklv3bRw3y1GOO5lhk3P4oNoPhk3cZBvyq6B5JIY7LYUHrtDDSdwWADAGpyyk-Ar3QhsgFeefHh_U7vi16bu4kdRr-uk4B4RLXLHJ98npS7I1QA" href="https://sojo.net/articles/getting-over-threat-hell" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank"><span class="fwb">Getting Over The Threat Of Hell</span></a></div>
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This^ doesn't seem to address how we should interpret what the Bible says about Hell, it seems to only highlight that some people missuse the concept so the writer thinks that it should be imagined away.<br />
Personally I think that annhilationism is more Biblically credible than the idea of eternal suffering in Hell. The site RethinkingHell is worth a look.<br />
If we profess to follow Christ, we need to actualy explore what He said and try to make sense of it, the article only criticises some peoples' negative approaches and doesn't look for a more accurate interpretation.</div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">God doesn't act in such a straightforward way - something that seems bad happening to us doesn't mean that He hates us (ad things going well for us doesn't mean that He's pleased with us).<br />He wants for us to turn to Him - and when we have so much wealth that we ignore Him, we're on course to miss out on eternal life, which is incomparably better than wealth.<br />So God might allow something to go wrong, as it might be the only way that we might ever end up reconsidering Him, and ending up in heaven.</span></span></span></div>
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E<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">eally? Explain what brainwashing you're referring to - I'm well aware that some Churches do that, but I think that you're making seriouslyly inaccurate assumptions. Most Churches don't even have robed vicars, as your picture presumes. And regardless of Churches, have you looked at the rationale that Christian scholars have supporting God's existence?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">No fricking way!!!! Christian scholars support the existence of god, you’re shitting me surely</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">My point is that there are scientific, historical and philosophical arguments to conclude that God exists, belief in God is not necessarily merely faith nor brainwashing. Everyone will form their own conclusions, but above commenters suggest that they aren't aware of those arguments.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">A comfort blanket for the weak of mind, an old Jedi mind trick if you will</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"Comfort blanket"? No, it's a conclusion based on weighing up the arguments - but what if your atheism is your own wishful thinking because you hope that there's no God watching when you do things He's told us not to, and because you hope that there's nothing beyond this lifetime?<br />Have you not looked at sites on the reasons to conclude that God exists to weigh them up for yourself? For example, <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reasonablefaith.org%2Ffinetuning&h=AT24hrR3u1iuAhrol7zlarc81PPmAqTfE-VWQJMo1qslgqxx54Y_HjhQ_N5TQIO19-sobYtagXBQ4ywpix0NycUSrQdrKHqNh0ODrx6nn9Z9O3EaI2XOQvq1YDWrVQ5_ed2a" dir="ltr" href="https://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.reasonablefaith.org/finetuning</a></span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span> </div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I’m getting bored but there’s some mileage in this argument yet. Anyone want to tag in [tags friends]?</span></span></span> </i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ahhhh, this again. I’ll start with asking you how old the earth is? Please humour me with your 10,000 years <span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f52/1/16/1f923.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">🤣</span></span><span class="_47e3 _5mfr"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f52/1/16/1f648.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">🙈</span></span><br />Followed by my favourite. What colour skin did Adam and Eve have please. (I’ll leave out the incest, it’s too soon) </span></span></span></i><i><br /></i></div>
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Wow, you genuinely presume that all Christians are young Earthers? The Earth is roughly 3.7 billion years old so far as I know. Why would I humour you? Why do you and your friends feel the urge to poke strawmen? Do you not have something more interesting to do? Obviously Adam and Eve had darkish brown skin, but it's not clear how literal the characters are, or what the original texts said (given that obviously, the "days" in Genesis aren't 24 hour days, the original word translates to time periods). Why does it matter?<br />
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Yet he had no issue with slavery..hmmm</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">According to who?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">T</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">he Bible</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">The Bible doesn't say that He has no problem with slavery. It contains a small proportion of His words, those most important to the audience at the time. He was there to create and tell people about The Way to heaven; overthrowing the structures of society would have deflected attention from that vital message.<br />And how do you define slavery? It's equivocal, in the Bible, to today being an employee. <br />The Bible was written in a society where "slavery" was not necessarily anything like slavery of recent centuries, and was the unquestioned norm. Some slaves were indeed mistreated, but plenty were treated well and had a better standard of living than free people, who had to continually search for work to survive.<br />The Bible compels slave masters to treat their slaves well, contrary to other cultures at the time, and Jesus commands us to treat others as we would like to be treated and love others as ourselves - so even if He's not recorded as having banned slavery, He has banned all of the aspects of slavery that you're worrying about <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" dir="ltr" href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zachariastrust.org%2Fdoes-the-bible-condone-slavery&h=AT3TKYgC6SYx9bDaCP00ThSGW4WPft2LQdOYwo5RJ3hjjzmIta2_n3cEwVQ1Y5c5PAJYHtp0VDrIdITAZkontWtAQDd-KHr7MqaWl9phK4xLzcZ-MP7zOZ5yCXw9Pu4g-qGQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.zachariastrust.org/does-the-bible-condone...</a></span></span></span></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> </span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">How do you know that "God" is "seething at abuse like this"? Your claim only confirms my belief that the religious make their god in their own image, and impute to "him" the feelings that they themselves experience. Your "God" may be "slow to anger", but he is thorough when it comes to killing, as in the OT flood, in which he annihilated the entire population---including children and babies. Yes---I know I've taken the story "out of context", or I need to understand it as a "metaphor," but, there is no way to escape the fact that the OT god is violent, vindictive, and mean---even if "slow to anger."</span></span></i></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Why do you think you can just ignore the context and cultural/poetic use of language? Would you take a page out of a surgical or army guidelines book and bemoan it for instructing violence?<br />When a parent has their toddler vaccinated, the toddler will think that their parent is cruel; the gap in knowledge and understanding between us and God is manifold greater than the gap between a toddler and parent.<br />When God sanctioned death in the OT, it was to constrain evil worse than death. Paganism was spreading and causing extreme suffering - such as human sacrifice - but also causing people to miss out on eternal life. <br />God can take people straight to heaven; so any who were on course to go to heaven and died in the tragedies of the OT would simply have gone there sooner and had their time living on Earth where they live amongst barbarism and child sacrifice is shortened. But when paganism was left to fester, Hebrews turned to it and began doing evil things that they saw neighbouring tribes doing, as well as throwing away the offer of heaven.</span></span></span> <span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> And since you asked, there are loads of verses about God hating abuse, eg Zechariah 8:17 " "Do not devise evil in your hearts against one another, and love no false oath, for all these things I hate", declares the Lord.” <br />Isaiah 61:8 "For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong;"</span></span></span></div>
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<i>Y<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">ou should read Exodus 21</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I have. It offers options for slaves that wouldn't have been the norm at the time, but protects the most vulnerable people, women, from ending up homeless and unemployed, at high risk of being abused and forced into prostitution. As I said, Jesus commands that we treat others as we would want to be treated, so slave owners were obliged to be kind to their workers.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">"you can beat your slave as long as he doesn't die within two days"...gods words, not mine.</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">That's not what it says. They won't be punished by the human administrators of the law if the victim recovers quickly - that doesn't mean they won't be held accountable by God Himself. And at the time, some slave owners would have done whatever they wanted to their slaves without anyone intervening, but God is forcing gradual progress towards justice by commanding punishment for some slave owners. Do you think that if He'd put in place laws that were an entire change from what people were used to straight away, they would have followed?</span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">you are delusional self accommodating and riddled with double standards. Get over yourself and feeling special with your imaginary friend in the sky.</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">When did I say I feel special? I most certainly don't. Imaginary? Nah, God is beyond my imagination, but the more I've studied science, the more certain I am that there is a designer.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">slavery is slavery. By nature it is indifferent to eras. Just like your imaginary god created in man’s image is omniscient & omnipotent by design. ‘HE’ cannot promote slavery in one era and demote it in another.</span></span></span> </i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The word slavery didn't even exist. Slavery is the word that was used by translators at a time when "thee" was used instead of "you" and peculiar meant special. And how can you legitimise ignoring the culture of the people at the time?</span></span></span> </div>
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<i>T<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">he religionist: the hopeless generational repetitive desperately clinging to false hope...</span></span></span></i></div>
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If Christians are so entertaining, why not actually read what I've written, and the hyperlinked articles?</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I have studied religion and its victims all my adult life (50 years) and you nor Christianity or any religion has anything to offer my life that adds to my knowledge of the history of the Universe and reality as experienced. I am a realist. You are a fictionist. I live for life. You live for death. I am an independent. You are dependent. You are inside the box. I am outside the box. I know nothing we have stated in fact today will affect your belief system. That's because we live by a know system. Facts not faith motivate our lives because we are hands on passionate tactile learners by science. You, well, you are imprisoned with the dogma authored by dope smoking - magic potion drinking - herb hallucinating - cave dwellers. You live in a wish thinking bubble of thought really believing you are special with your 'god'. Okay.......</span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">LOL, where on Earth did you get those ideas about what I believe from? You're simply making a tonne of baseless presumptions and bashing a straw man. You've not even read what I've written - I already stated that I'm not special, and that I do study science. Dope smoking, magic potion drinking, cave dwelling? ROFL. You seem to have a lot of factless faith in your dogma about what theism is.<br />But apologies if I seem argumentative, because I certainly don't want to be <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f4c/1/16/1f642.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">:)</span></span> This is the point at which we agree to disagree.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">like I said and this will be the last, one cannot reason with a religionist and nothing will change in your fact-less faith driven opinion. You and your generational predecessors are the reason why our incredibly precious earth is at peril, always has been, and why humanity has struggled while waiting for Armageddon. You! Religion is the scourge of the Earth. <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=585810628487599&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/scienceatheism/?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">Science & Atheism</a> will eventually prevail with reason, evidence and facts to support humanity living in reality. That day cannot come too soon. The Bible with its drug induced imaginary nasty prediction of Armageddon will be filed away in the library of Myth and Legend along with the other near 4000 gods that have been created by man. You see Grace Dalton you're just one less god an Atheist than I am...</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">This just keeps getting funnier. <br />"Religion is the scourge of the Earth" - what do you even mean by religion? I never mentioned it.<br />"Drug induced" Ha, which drugs? What evidence do you have that whoever you're referring to was under the influence of drugs?<br />And seriously, why do you think that science is opposed to belief in God? Your assumption demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of science, God, or both. What are your own scientific qualifications? Recent Time magazine article - <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F&h=AT0c4JsYNd6TWgZqdHgZZj0rlvdREg0ghQc0cIGaHb2clSiEFUTJvOawqPJzL0BxPPJgq5PNwGpu3AgcS1Qeap84PvHHfjBRB748L_uXEPMaEZPCrjGVDGA-LKCBtntpC6fT" dir="ltr" href="http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a><br />Sorry, I'm being argumentative again. I don't mean to seem hostile, I care <span class="_47e3 _5mfr" title="smile emoticon"><img alt="" class="img" height="16" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f4c/1/16/1f642.png" width="16" /><span class="_7oe">:)</span></span> </span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Cool story. Why should people not be promiscuous? How does that affect you?</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">I said that it's possible for people not to be promiscuous, I didn't say that people shouldn't be. Though yes, I do believe that people shouldn't be - but it's not up to me and it wasn't what I said (typed). one of the reasons that it's better for people not to be is that, as this article demonstrates, it can lead to disease - which means suffering for them, sadness for their loved ones, and her in the UK,less NHS (national health service) funding for other health issues, many of which are out of the sufferers' control (whereas one's sex life is within their control). <br />But it also leads to more emotional anguish for those who practice it (since oxytocin - for deep bonding - is released during sex; and also because couples are more likely to struggle over jealousy/anxiety and disputes regarding their exes if they slept with their exes); and means that there are more abortions (which are tragic, expensive, risky and emotionally traumatic) and more children who miss out on the benefits of growing up with both parents (which is, of course, not say that single parents don't deserve huge respect, because obviously they do - but statistics show that most kids benefit hugely from having both parents around, and society benefits as a result).</span></span></span><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><br />So it's none of my business what people do with their bodies - but I'm heartbroken that corporate greed (sex sells) has conned people into thinking that sex will make them happy when in fact promiscuity leads to many people hurting.<br />Seriously, my apologies that this might have all sounded judgemental; I'm not judging people, it's the practice that makes me frustrated. And it's none of my business.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Because our culture has normalised sex ASAP - and the oxytocin release can leave people feeling attached, and hurting when the relationship ends. We're not actually designed to have sex with partners other than the person we marry, but media outlets have been profitting (sex sells) from duping us into thinking that it's a fundamental necessity for human happiness.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Look at the dumbass that doesn’t know how biology works</span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Care to explain what's actually biologically incorrect in my comment?</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <i><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">And who tells you that we aren’t supposed to have sex with partners other than the one we marry? A book of fairy tales known as the Bible?</span></span></i></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Well for one humans are not naturally mono but we are actually more likely to be poly in our relationships. “We're not actually designed to have sex with partners other than the person we marry.” So that statement right there is full of BS just to start. That isn’t scientific, that just one opinion. Sorry hun, your bible isn’t a science book. Don’t make up facts and say they are true and not think people will question you. There is always someone smarter than you.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></i></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"We are actually more likely to be poly in our relationships" - what's your scientific basis for this? I'm fairly certain that it's no true that the majority of people want to be poly but that wasn't what I'd stated - since you're making that claim, do you have supporting data? <br />Also, you're conflating what people are naturally tempted to with what's best. We're naturally inclined towards many things that in fact are seriously harmful to ourselves and/or others.<br />I was never using the Bible to make my assertion, I mentioned oxytocin release, and other emotional and social benefits of monogamy are obvious.<br />I never claimed that the Bible is a science book. It's very interesting though, what are your thoughts on it? It's full of writing that's so context specific, it's almost impossible to make sense of without further reading about the relevant cultural aspects. Personally, I think it's worth trying to understand, since science tells me that there must be a designer. But continually I encounter people who presume that because, as you said, the Bible isn't a science book, we should conclude that God is fictional, which makes no sense. <a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F&h=AT2694bbS-v5SZjxLfbLYB9t7shT_6eMkqhDlY8K6RCUgZXp4ZQDFdkwfP8aVv7bBfz8BHnfNn0q7GNPYVadNpexQJo_r0orMl_zgGmC4UQuZUlU8JSgQn9OCYYPLTq8LBxZ" dir="ltr" href="http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a><br />What do you think?</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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I need to become more sympathetic to trans people and it's important to address bullying and violence towards trans people, obviously - but I think that Vice may well only be making more cis people resentful of trans people with articles like this. All you're (Vice) doing is making some cis people react negatively to trans people - do you really think that any cis people will see articles like this and feel greater empathy for those who are trans?</div>
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<i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">He banned it cause showing a woman’s body in any form offends Muslim men.</span></span></span></i><span class="fwb"><i> </i></span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">No, <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=275283499191111&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/sadiqforlondon/?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">Sadiq Khan</a> banned those posters because they implied that non-slim people weren't entitled to go to the beach, and because the posters could contribute to mental health problems - which I know sounds ridiculous, but unfortunately, we (anorexics)can't help it (or we would).</span></span></span> </div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i>You, and the other English, have sat back and let your country be completely over-ran by Muslims</i> </span></span></span> </div>
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Our country is not at all over run with Muslims - where on Earth are you all getting this idea from?</div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">It offends Muslim men, but sadly it’s ok for those same men to beat and exploit their wives, in private. Wake up ppl.</span></span></span> </i></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">"Same men"? Muslim men vary as much as other men. Sadiq Khan is nothing like the extremists you're thinking of and is far more respectful of women and less tempremental than Trump. The reason that the posters were removed was concern for the many women who were having their self esteem crushed by the poster. I know that makes us sound pathetic, but body image anxiety is a psychological issue that we can't just switch off. I developed anorexia - years before the poster, but partially because of things like that poster - and if I could just stop it I would, because it's messed up my life. It's because of the effect of the poster he removed it, which most people here - non Muslims wanted - not because of his faith.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"> </span></span></span></div>
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I never wanted to read it. Why do you presume that everyone should? And how do you define "religious"? Can you not see why some people are concerned about promoting witchcraft? Maybe not - because our generation's been led to believe that it's fine, or positive, though it's largely about trying to achieve selfish aims, in contrast to the previous prevalent ideology - that we should aim to follow Jesus who commends caring for others and eschewing greed and bitterness.</div>
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Guns are the worst thing about your awesome country. I desperately hope that, some day, they become illegal like they are in other developed nations. Arming teachers is daft - what if a teacher becomes mentally unstable, or a mentally unstable person becomes a teacher, and carnage ensues? What if a teacher is permanently traumatised after using a gun? What if some students somehow manage to get hold of a teacher's gun?<br />
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It infuriates me how people claiming to represent Christ utterly contradict His teaching. Obviously. Jesus' command to treat others as we would want to be treated and to avoid inappropriate lust show that sex abusing "priests" are lying in labelling themselves as Jesus' followers.<br />
But additionally, He told us that He is The Way to eternal life (heaven) and proved His victory over death by rising<span class="text_exposed_show"> from it - confessing in a box might help a few people to face their wrong actions so that they can change, but in no way does the speech itself cause forgiveness. Only genuinely repenting to God in your heart - and meaning it - enables forgiveness - and someone who truly does that won't want to flee justice.</span></div>
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Why spend loads on things that are gone once you've experienced them? Wouldn't it be incomparably more exciting to spend that money on things for human beings who are far too impoverished to ever go on any sort of vacation at all? The cost of this cruise could pay to sponsor more than 20 some of the world's poorest children for a decade, completely changing their lives; or pay for homes and clean water for families living in slums. So why spend that money on a trip?</div>
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I highly recommend not having sex.<br />
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It's an Udder shame that so many people now avoid dairy. But also slightly a-Moo-sing that some boycott it entirely because of the trend (rather than having an allergy or concern for cows). Brands that have duped people into switching to soya/almond etc should be held a-Cow-ntable.</div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">I hate how so many people now associate Christianity with the very opposite of what Christ did and taught...... God is slow to anger (Psalm 103:8), but SEETHING at abuse like this^.</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Well at least god is seething so we don’t have to, amiright?? That mentality has worked so far, amiright? God sure has shown those priests his wrath for fucking kids for the past millennium, amiright? We don’t have to do a damn thing but have opinions and keep watching, amiright? Off to church we go! Makes sense...</span></span></span></i><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">God doesn't supernaturally intervene often - He calls us to defend those who are suffering and to seek justice. He will enact justice on abusers, that's the purpose of judgement "day" after this lifetime. And whilst the abuse is awful beyond description, it will seem like picoseconds to victims who choose to accept Jesus' offer of eternal life with Him.</span></span></span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">All abrahamic religions are prone to pedophilia and misogyny .</span></span></span></i> </div>
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Human beings are prone to those things - some grew up in an Abrahamic religion and like that label, but the pedophilia and misogyny aren't fuelled by the religions themselves. At the time that the Bible was written, women were respected less than men because physical strength was fundamental in a way that it isn't now. The Bible, especially the New Testament, is relatively feminist <span class="text_exposed_show">for its time (eg, see <a data-ft="{"tn":"-U"}" data-lynx-mode="asynclazy" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eauk.org%2Fchurch%2Fresources%2Ftheological-articles%2Fisnt-the-bible-sexist.cfm&h=AT2HJY5CxWgZi-0WN27X0rzl37Citvog7UJ20PyVLChaqlN5ihJeON-EhfDk-YEzUdQZIAppZnwMCRdeXTMxkdiYJq2rk0_Hvx4ZSmTMO8r1LFQH8vnDZ1PoHJUsc23zl5L9Oqeg" href="https://www.eauk.org/church/resources/theological-articles/isnt-the-bible-sexist.cfm" rel="noopener nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.eauk.org/church/resources/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>theological-articles/<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>isnt-the-bible-sexist.cfm</a> ). Nothing in the Bible endorses pedophilia and it insists on sexual purity; Jesus commands us to treat others as we'd want to be treated. Thus pedophiles aren't Christians (even if they claim to be) because Christians are, by definition, those who truly love Jesus and consequently desire to follow His teachings.</span><span class="text_exposed_show"> </span></div>
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Presumably, culture is obsessed with individualism in part because encouraging us to focus on ourselves; and to deem enacting our personal preferences and enjoyment as a goal; makes it easier to make us spend. I grew up believing that we're supposed to put others first - and I'm immensely grateful that I was raised to feel that, but I need to get far, far better at living it out. God's power is what can change our hearts towards selflessness amidst the individualism that culture tries to lull us into.</span></span></span><i> </i></div>
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"If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?" 1 John 3:17“Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love<br />
your neighbour as yourself.’” Matthew 22:37-9*Not that I<br />
expect people to care what the Bible says, obviously, but I felt that this was a point worth making, given that Christianity is so often mis-represented, on a post like this^<br />
Good job misrepresenting it! A Socialist quoting the Bible. Now I've seen .it all. Maybe you should read the rest of the Bible? For example, love<br />
your neighbor doesn't mean giving them your paycheck. It means make<br />
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Whilst some people spend £hundreds or £thousands on a week's leisure, other human beings try desperately to survive.</span></span></span></div>
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<span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">The tourists paid for 1/2 weeks then go home.These gimegrants pay thousands to get to Europe as they know they get everything free and never have to work again.They know our laws dont apply to them so they just run wild</span></span></span></i></div>
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According to what data? Are you unaware of the severe poverty and conflict that immigrants are fleeing? They wouldn't leave everything and risk their lives on a dinghy across the sea otherwise. From birth, we all benefit from the NHS, free education, emergency services, and opportunities to earn a comfortable lifestyle (or benefits if we can't). People born into impoverished countr<span class="text_exposed_show">ies (many of which have been ransacked by our ancestors and corporations)lack these things through no fault of their own, and simply want to escape danger and work somewhere where they can earn enough to survive. Many of us Brits have not only the basics that we need to live, but spend £thousands on indulging. How is this situation OK?</span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">They are running from countries where they say they are oppressed then try to take over the countries they go to ...and what self respecting man leaves women and children to deal with what they are running from...I’ll tell you ..the type of man that has no respect for women or children because that is all we are getting here</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Seriously? Are you really unaware that the men who leave their families behind do so because it's not possible for them to bring their families, so they come alone wanting to earn money to send home to them?</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">They paid with big bucks.... Its a big business... Wake up...</span></span></span></i><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">T</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hey give all they have. They borrow from neighbours, and pay all their lives' savings in the desperate hope of reaching somewhere where they can escape violence and get a job. Why on Earth are you angry with them? Be angry with the traffickers, the migrants are victims of gross extortion.</span></span></span><br />
<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">That doesn't give them the right to invade another country. This is,all orchestrated by the EU and UN. This will destabilize Spain and France. Any fool should see this for what it is. As far as the migrants, the UN should be assisting them in their home countries but instead facilitates this instead!</span></span></span></i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><i> </i></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">How exactly does the UN facilitate this? You seem to be suggesting that this is an understand conspiracy with the EU and UN leading people to board these dinghies.</span></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0hCdufb0aQU/W7lQXGMNrHI/AAAAAAAAAes/5_1c94Nph2EchvsGuqn6qi1HIsA0gRkxACLcBGAs/s1600/4b08d12457b05717e4a230753c688924.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="512" data-original-width="342" height="320" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0hCdufb0aQU/W7lQXGMNrHI/AAAAAAAAAes/5_1c94Nph2EchvsGuqn6qi1HIsA0gRkxACLcBGAs/s320/4b08d12457b05717e4a230753c688924.jpg" width="213" /></a><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">Tea and empathy are awesome - but Jesus ultimately called us to accept Him, and offered The Way to eternal life; so community alone is brilliant, but is secondary to what being saved is about. <br />It's become the norm to presume that because we can't seel/hear/feel God, He's non existent. But our senses and the things they detect are made of matter that He created, rather than Him being made of matter that we should expect to detect. Fallacies about God having been disproven by science, Jesus not having existed etc are unquestioned by many people. It's human nature to adhere to group think, to want to do whatever we feel like, and to hate flawed institutions (ie Churches that have done the opposite of emulating Christ), so only some Brits explore the rationale from philosophy and science to support the notion that God actually exists.<br /><a class="" data-lynx-mode="hover" data-lynx-uri="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F77676%2Fwhy-science-does-not-disprove-god%2F&h=AT1c4szOyxJt_531l5y8zOfsV3fAOPJYs5DaLP3hMM_MhFTxPeHknCaB0bS6BTHcrkbT-tal2S7ApBORtxAgrI0cNYjkw8krWVcGsmPw4V0aP2nL3vQ-u9b5rHk8304XWamm" dir="ltr" href="http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://time.com/77676/why-science-does-not-disprove-god/</a></span></span></span></div>
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D<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">id I say that science claimed to disprove God?<br />Did you read the hyperlinked article?</span></span></span></div>
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<i><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">of course not I've seen a lot of them before and they're all biased and not compatible with scientific method.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"> </span></span></span></i> </div>
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Seen a lot of what? The article is from Time magazine. Even if it were from a Christian site, if you genuinely find out more about reality, you should look at sites explaining the arguments for something so that you can evaluate them, rather than ignoring things because they don't fit with your pre-existing faith. Should we not look at articles from sources across the spectrum of atheism/theism; as we should with politics, and try to cross reference with more neutral sources, to work out what's most likely true? You're refusing to even read an article from Time.</div>
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If I were going to date, I'd only want to date someone who prioritises maximising efficacy of volunteering/campaigning/donating over nationalism. Giving to developing countries makes far more difference $for$, and human beings with no access to clean water or food are the very most in need, so I'm sickened by those who say "charity begins at home". Which is definitely not to say that we shouldn't help at local soup kitchens/shelters etc - but to ignore the neediest on the basis that they aren't lucky enough to live in the West would be something I personally wouldn't put up with in looking for a partner.</div>
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T<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">hey "can hardly be called Christian" - that was my point. I'm constantly encountering people who want nothing to do with Christianity because of un-Christ-like hypocrites, rather than evaluating Christ Himself.</span></span></span><span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">RE describing God as glacial - what time scale are you judging God by?</span></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://inews.co.uk/news/consumer/periods-femcare-market-new-products/?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=ijp">The taboo around periods is slowly disintegrating and women – or ‘menstruators’ as they’re known – are big money. From eco-friendly tampons to period-sex blankets, here are the products vying for space in your bathroom cabinet</a><br />
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g">Surely it should be "women - or, specifically menstruators - are big money"? Menstruators are a subsection of women, your line suggests that woman and menstruator are synonyms, which ignores post menopausal women who are every bit as much women as those who still have periods. Some women don't menstruate because of medical conditions, though still are definitely women.</span></span></span><br />
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<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">We are SO privileged. Much of humanity never has the option of eating ice cream, and have to get by with little more than rice. 1 in 9 are starving. We can buy any of an endless array of foodstuffs whenever we like. Why does it matter what arrangement the molecules were in at the beginning of the manufacturing process?</span></span></span></div>
<span class=" UFICommentActorAndBody"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"></span></span></span>GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-26029412259486747192018-10-04T21:21:00.002-07:002018-10-08T17:55:16.888-07:00Guest Post - Is it time civil partnerships were canned? - by Graham HarterThis week (Tuesday) it was announced at the Conservative Party Conference in Birmingham <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45714032" target="_blank">that civil partnerships would be made legal</a> for heterosexual couples. This followed <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44627990" target="_blank">a ruling</a> by the Supreme Court in June that allowing civil partnerships only to same-sex couples was a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.<br />
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The case was brought to the Supreme Court by couple Charles Keidan and Rebecca Steinfeld from London, who, as a heterosexual couple, wanted to be able to enter into a civil partnership.<br />
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The ruling, and the original application in court, have always struck me as somewhat absurd.<br />
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Civil partnerships were introduced in the UK in 2004 as a way of recognizing and giving proper legal protection to committed relationships between same-sex couples.<br />
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When the UK changed its legal definition of marriage with the <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/30/contents/enacted" target="_blank">Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act of 2013</a>, civil partnerships were not extended to heterosexual couples. Why would they be? The concept of a civil partnership only came into being as a way of bridging the legal gap between marriage — which was then only for heterosexual couples — and committed relationships between same-sex couples.<br />
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Since the legal redefinition of marriage, there is no longer any reason for civil partnerships to exist. Charles Keidan and Rebecca Steinfeld’s rights have really not been breached by their being entitled to access to marriage but denied access to a legal equivalent of marriage.<br />
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Instead of extending civil partnerships to heterosexual couples, surely the logical conclusion of the Supreme Court’s ruling is that civil partnerships are (in the phrase so beloved of politicians) no longer ‘fit for purpose’ and should be abolished.<br />
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Purely as a result of the way marriage laws have developed in the UK since 2000, we have ended up in the situation whereby we have this relic, the civil partnership, that for heterosexual couples is simply marriage without the commitment. In the name of ‘rights’ we have introduced a ridiculous, two-tier edition of marriage.<br />
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Of course, there are logistical difficulties with abolishing the civil partnership. Many same-sex couples are already in a civil partnership.<br />
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However, these logical difficulties are not insurmountable. There are various ways it could be implemented. I would suggest that existing civil partnerships be phased out over a number of years, with couples already in them given the option whether their new legal status should be married (under the 2013 definition) or unmarried. Of course, it would only be fair for the legal part of the conversion from a civil partnership to a marriage to be offered as a free service.<br />
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Be this as it may, surely in view of the absurdity that was introduced by June’s Supreme Court ruling, it is now time that civil partnerships were canned?<br />
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This post is the work of Graham Harter - https://www.facebook.com/etimasthe<br />
Please check out his fantastic work - https://etimasthe.com/GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-86740347959989933522018-09-14T17:08:00.000-07:002018-09-14T17:08:14.595-07:00Several years ago, Vicky Beeching’s albums were -deservedly - selling well and her music being regularly played on Christian radio. In the last month, she’s been all over mainstream media. A worship singer songwriter on BBC Hardtalk, Lorraine, The One Show, Unfiltered (a podcast from Joe.co.uk, a site with a substantial following), Sky News, and Radio 2? Further internet searching quickly digs up an interview with TalkRadio, and articles in major newspapers. I can think of few things more potentially exciting than a Christian witness all over the mainstream media. Yet I’m heartbroken. These interviews have each been about the supposed evil of the evangelical Church.<br /><br />Of course, it’s vital that our allegiance is specifically to God, so much so that attachment to the Church is trivial by comparison. It is imperative that we all are willing to call out ways in which the Church is definitively deviating from Christ’s teaching. But to many non Christians, criticism of the Church is reason enough never to explore Christ at all. They do not differentiate – it’s all “religion” that they want nothing to do with. Homophobia is one of, if not the very most heinous crimes for which Christianity is despised in our culture today; whilst to affirm and support the LGBT movement is one of society’s most celebrated virtues. Corporations score brownie points by participating enthusiastically in Pride celebrations; media gleefully praises individuals who endorse homosexuality and from pop culture to politics it is universally agreed that the LGBT cause must be lauded.<br /><br />It’s brilliant that most people within our society want to be supportive of minorities and despise the unacceptable bullying that gay people have experienced in the past. I cannot brush past this: some gay people have been genuinely abused, and as Christians with a commission from God to seek justice and to be good Samaritans, we have greater reasons to speak up against such evil than our atheist contemporaries whose ideology reduces every human to a random amalgamation of molecules.<br /><br />But fundamental distinctions need to be recognised between different treatments of gay people. To disagree with a person’s sexual choices is different from harassing or attacking because of them.<br /><br />In Vicky’s interviews, she and her hosts deplore the Evangelical Church for how she has been mistreated, yet the foremost example of this she offers is being prayed for — at her request — at a Christian festival. She describes this as an exorcism, but an exorcism is either a meaningless hoax, or an affront to real spiritual forces, as Jesus practised on numerous occasions. Exorcisms can involve throwing “holy” water and forcefully restraining people whilst they spasm, but this is not what happens during prayer ministry at Evangelical festivals in the UK, nor what Vicky describes. Claiming to have undergone an exorcism is disingenuous; she’s misleading listeners who are unfamiliar with prayer ministry into imagining a scene from a horror film.<br /><br />For years afterward, she describes having undergone “more subtle conversion therapy” entailing simply talking with Christian councillors who asked about past trauma. This is entirely unlike the forms of conversion therapy that have been rightly condemned. It’s reported that some gay conversion therapy victims were struck with electric shocks or induced to vomit whilst being shown images that would arouse the same sex attraction — the aim of which being to link homosexual desire with pain or disgust in their subconscious. Vicky mentions that some victims suffered “corrective rape”. It’s obviously right for these practices to be condemned, and the perpetrators whose “therapy” was not requested by their subjects, jailed. But it is very, very wrong to conflate these mistreatments with consensual, compassionate conversation. By maligning Christian counselling and imploring the government to ban it, Vicky is cruelly cutting off a potential lifeline for others.<br /><br />The ultimate tragedy is that Vicky, though claiming to still be a Christian, is fervently deterring listeners — literally millions of people around the UK and beyond — from exploring Church. Thus, effectively, from exploring Christianity. She doesn’t even argue that Jesus is in fact loving and accepting; she simply bashes the Church. Her interviewers are understandably confused as to why she continues to affirm Christianity — and she does nothing to testify to the awesome gift that we are offered through Christ, the evidence supporting theism or the joy God can give. It’s not my place to pass judgement on her relationship with God — but I can’t comprehend how someone who truly loves Him could pass up the opportunity to proclaim The Good News and would instead essentially forbid people from people exploring Him.<br /><br />James O’Brien is one of my favourite journalists, he’s usually remarkably quick witted, and can do a remarkable job of critiquing, but can also be amazingly empathetic. Most often, he’s hosting daytime phone-ins on LBC radio, but his interview with Vicky is part of a podcast series of his for Joe.co.uk, a magazine website for millennials. James grew up attending a Catholic school, and thus is familiar with aspects of Christianity — but hearing him and Vicky trash the Church stings. After discussing Vicky’s family background in the Church — which, in the absence of any further testimony from Vicky as to how she became a Christian, elicits scepticism about whether she ever personally chose to commit — James asks her what Evangelical means. “It’s a form of Christianity, which is quite modern in its expression, you may have heard it referred to as Happy Clappy… still have quite traditional theology… that same sex relationships are sinful.” No mention of the Evangel – that Evangelicalism is first and foremost about spreading the Gospel. Most listeners will be relatively or completely unfamiliar with the word — and Vicky is defining Evangelicals by the issue that causes most controversy with the outside culture and which is barely discussed within Evangelicals, at least this side of the pond.<br /><br />They laugh at the fact of tea and biscuits in Church services and mock the speech of Bible Belt preachers. But what is truly disconcerting is their criticism of Paul, who James suggests is responsible for the problem of Christianity’s disagreement with homosexuality, and Vicky has no objections. Does not loving Jesus, as she claims to do, not prompt us to trust that His disciple, who wrote about a quarter of the New Testament,[1] shouldn’t simply be overruled to suit our preferences? Similarly, she equates herself with the first disciples — and even compares herself with Christ — in a speech at an “LGBT Christian” conference (now on Youtube), as she tells her audience that they are moving towards acceptance by the Church, but must persevere through being hated and persecuted for the sake of their mission, as did the apostles and Christ on the cross.<br /><br />[perfectpullquote align="left" class="pullquote"]“It’s entirely unjustified to conclude that Jesus would accept homosexuality on the basis that He is not recorded as having directly addressed it. The fact that Jesus is not recorded as having mentioned it does, however, compel us to avoid making it a paramount issue.”<br />[/perfectpullquote]<br /><br />“Jesus never said a single word, not a syllable, about homosexuality,” James proclaims — but the New Testament contains only a tiny selection of Jesus’ words, and they are those which were most relevant to the readers at the time. It’s very possible that He said something about homosexuality during His 33 years that wasn’t recorded; or that He had no need to say anything about it, in either case because the people amongst whom He lived and spoke were agreed that God had outlawed homosexuality. Jesus decried divorce when asked about it — demonstrating that there were things to which He was opposed but which He discussed only when asked. It’s entirely unjustified therefore to conclude that Jesus would accept homosexuality on the basis that He is not recorded as having directly addressed it. The fact that Jesus is not recorded as having mentioned it does, however, compel us to avoid making it a paramount issue. I would conclude that, whilst some Levitical laws — such as consuming shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics — are no longer binding because they were given to avoid specific pagan rituals and health risks at the time; laws against homosexual practice are ongoing (for Christians) since the acts are not forbidden on a situation specific basis, and whilst the New Testament voids the ceremonial laws, it reaffirms sexual purity laws. However Jesus’ focus was that hearts be turned to God. Turning to God might lead to those hearts seeking to adhere to God’s guidelines; but it is un-Christlike and nonsensical to debate sexuality with those who are not yet interested in following God. This makes it particularly inexplicable that, if Vicky does love God as she claims, she would choose to make this debate public; if she believes that the Church is wrong about sexuality, why not focus her efforts on trying to make change within it and make the Gospel the focus of conversation with the wider world? Instead she seeks to sell books by reiterating to the public prejudices they have long held about the Church.<br /><br />Vicky ascribes her affliction of scleroderma to the stress that she endured because of hiding her sexuality. If it were proven that Vicky’s condition was the consequence of emotion, it would be fallacious to presume that the Church was responsible. LGBT individuals are continually found to be at higher risk of mental health struggles, without involvement with Churches. 12% of lesbian women have reported experiencing long term mental health problems, compared with 4% of heterosexual women. Musicians too are far more likely to suffer severe stress. As I type, news headlines are circulating about well known rapper Mac Miller having committed suicide. The same day would have been the birthday of multi-platinum DJ Avicii — but he took his life earlier this year. The history of the music industry is dense with mental breakdowns. As Christians, we have a duty to scrutinise ourselves and our Churches to expose and eradicate words and actions that may have contributed to anguish amongst LGBT people; but it is unqualified to assume that her psychological struggle would be primarily the fault of the Church. Furthermore, if God had in fact communicated to Vicky that she is correct about sexuality, why would she inwardly feel extreme turmoil to the point of developing physical manifestations? Is internal anguish not more associated with guilt?<br /><br />Moreover, what, I wonder, is the basis of her assertion that stress is the cause of her scleroderma? Consensus on Medical websites is that causes are unknown:—<br /><br />NHS: “It's not clear why this happens.”<br /><br />Scleroderma.org: “The exact cause or causes of scleroderma are still unknown.”<br /><br />Mayoclinic: “Doctors aren't certain what prompts this abnormal collagen production [scleroderma], but the body's immune system appears to play a role. In some genetically susceptible people, symptoms may be triggered by exposure to certain types of pesticides, epoxy resins or solvents.”<br /><br />Medicinenet: “The cause of scleroderma is not known. Researchers have found some evidence that certain genes are important hereditary factors, but the environment seems to also play a role.”<br /><br />Medicalnewstoday: “It is not known what causes scleroderma possibly environmental factors, but this has not been confirmed.”<br /><br />Scleroderma Research Foundation: “The cause of scleroderma is still unknown. Scientists are working diligently to understand what biological factors contribute to scleroderma pathogenesis….Some research suggests that exposure to some environmental factors may trigger scleroderma in people who are genetically predisposed to it, but evidence is far from conclusive.”<br /><br />Scleroderma News: “Scleroderma does not have a known genetic cause. ... Some evidence points to possible environmental triggers of scleroderma. For example, infections by some bacteria or viruses and long-term exposure to some chemicals, such as pesticides, silica dust, or polyvinyl chloride, are thought to be linked to the disease.”<br /><br />As Vicky describes growing up, she recounts “epic loneliness” because she couldn’t tell anyone about her sexuality — but why should this prevent platonic and familial relationships, so much as enforce loneliness? Even the feelings, she opines, were condemned as sinful by her Church community. Were this indeed the message conveyed, I agree that her Church was in error; the Bible forbids the action and does not mention the orientation. However when James asks if there was not something about the cliché of “Love the sinner, hate the sin,” Vicky says that this is something that the Church came up with to pretend that it’s not homophobic. In fact it’s a fundamental principle of the Gospel. God loves us — so much that Jesus gave His life — but He hates our sin. As Christians we should be guided by this in our relationships with others. The failure of some Churches to love the sinner needs to be dealt with, but loving the sin is not the answer. Vicky claims that this is impossible, since one cannot sacrifice this part of who they are — that is, one’s sexuality. Our secular society would agree to this dogma; but we follow a man who lived without sex, and accept the writings of an apostle who did the same. Nuns and monks have lived celibate, and some Christians have remained so because homosexual orientation. “It’s hard to be told that you are loved if your potential way of loving others is said to be hated,” Vicky laments, as though the love of God, the love of friends, and sexual love are all the same. Did she not consider rejecting Christianity, rather than sexuality? James ponders; no, she expounds that too much of her life was tied up with it. Family, Church and Christian classmates were her reason for clinging to Christianity; she makes no mention at this point of God.<br /><br />Apparently keen to avoid seeming too biased against Christianity, James recites what he deems to be the positive points of Christian teaching: “Be excellent to each other; love your neighbour; do unto others as you would have them do to you;” and Vicky chuckles, “Good summary of the whole religion.” But it isn’t a good summary at all! Has she truly missed the Gospel? She moves on to state (rightly) that The Message was that we’re all sinful, but Jesus came to die for us, “so the place of shame in Christianity is really only supposed to be the bad news before the good news — but then, for someone like me, there is no good news.” I find this thoroughly bemusing. The salvation Jesus offers, such that we can eternal life in joy with God, is The Good News; the potential to have sex isn’t.<br /><br />Vicky professes, “My mission is to set people free, to be themselves, before it’s too late” — the tragic irony here is painful. Jesus came to set people free, and we are called to proclaim Him to them before it’s too late. Too often, we lose sight of this, and we should be reminded by Vicky to refocus on the great commission; but it’s heartbreaking that she’s reached a point of avowing commitment to something entirely separate from The Good News. Does she truly believe that sexual liberation is the greatest thing humans can experience?<br /><br />I fear that this ramble of mine has all come across as far more harsh than I mean to. I'm certainly not unconcerned about Vicky's experience; rather, I'm deeply unsettled by the potential for her interviews to deter listeners from Churches where they might meet God. In her best known work, Vicky sang “May I never lose the wonder of the cross.” And that is, literally, the crux of the matter, which she appears to have forgotten — the wonder and majesty we are invited to look upon is genuinely far superior to sex. We need to be proclaiming it to our world, not squabbling about fleshly functions. We need to — urgently — humble ourselves to consider when we’ve been un-Christlike in our treatment of LGBT individuals, and to repent of judgementalism. But we need to prioritise God over popularity, by attesting to our world that He is infinitely greater than sexual fulfilment.<br /><br />The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”...<br /><br />“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”<br /><br />At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”<br />“No one, sir,” she said.<br /><br />“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”<br /><br />(John 8:3-11, NIV)GraceDaltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00661025851428601229noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7020374259817960453.post-61493469203133920342018-09-02T16:42:00.000-07:002018-09-02T16:44:33.136-07:00“Forbidden History: Uncovering the Historical Jesus” - Really?<b>As Christians, we have good grounds for believing that the facts presented in the Gospel accounts are true — even when a Christianity-busting programme such as “Forbidden History: Uncovering the Historical Jesus” bursts onto our TV screens. Grace Dalton considers why the programme is not the devastating demolition it claims to be, and why, as Christians, we need not be fazed by it.</b><br />
Several weeks ago, my grandmother, audibly distressed, mentioned a forthcoming documentary in which the key tenets of what we believe about Jesus would be nullified. I’d hear the radio version of the television advert she’d seen, and it’s been replayed ad nauseam for weeks since.<br />
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The programme is the first episode in a new series of “Forbidden History”, which I’d seen reporting on claims of ownership of the Holy Grail. Those claimants were clearly tragically trapped in wishful thinking. But watching “Forbidden History: Uncovering the Historical Jesus”, I was struck by the terrible irony, that under the pretence that it will reveal something, the programme is astonishingly ignorant of academic Christianity. It’s not “Forbidden” to explore the vast cornucopia of online lectures and articles exploring differing views on the Early Church and credibility of the New Testament texts, but this documentary ignores these, and unquantifiable work by Biblical scholars.<br />
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The programme is preceded by an eerie warning: “This show contains views on religion that some may find disturbing” — as though we were about to be given information that has the potential to be upsetting. This makes the arrogant assumption that we’ll lap up what they tell us — perhaps in the way they presume that we’ve gullibly accepted Christianity previously.<br />
“What historical evidence lies in Jerusalem to prove that the crucifixion of Jesus really happened?” Jamie Theakston asks to dramatic violin music. “But who was He?”<br />
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A crew of supposed experts make confident proclamations to whet our appetite for the programme to come.<br />
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Lynn Pinkett implores, “There are two things to know about Jesus: 1) He really existed. 2) He was not remotely like the Jesus of the Gospels” — an oddly fervent assertion, for which she supplies no evidence later in the documentary. Her subtitle tells us that she’s the author of “The Real Jesus” as though this were some evidence of authority. Rather, it evidences that she has commercial interest in hurling dramatic vagaries around. Will not someone truly keen to understand the real Jesus at least read the work of scholars with doctorates?<br />
Dr Matt Green — “We know for absolute certainty that He was baptised and crucified, between those events cultivated a following.”<br />
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After the titles, Jamie begins his journey to the Holy Land. The interjecting snippets continue; Dr Green now tells us, “Personally, I wouldn’t say that Jesus, as evoked in the Bible, did exist, in that way, because He did all sorts of miracles, and kind of floated up to heaven and back down again. I don’t think any of that happened. But I think that we can say that the historical Jesus — as in, someone for whom there’s empirical evidence that He existed — is true.” Bizarrely incorrect of course: the Bible doesn’t tell us that Jesus came “back down again” after His ascension. But this statement betrays the presumption of naturalism on which all of his evaluation rests. Later in the programme, whilst Jamie Theakston walks through Jerusalem, his guide tells Theakston about the nearby pool of Bethesda, which is the site for one of Jesus’ healings. Dismissively Theakston replies that he doesn’t want to discuss miracles, he wants real historical evidence. What then did he mean when he began the programme by asking if there’s any historical evidence that what we read in the Gospels truly happened? If he considers anything to do with the miraculous to be ahistorical, how can he claim to be searching for historical evidence of miraculous events?<br />
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Another supposed expert, Andrew Gough, confidently proclaims that Josephus recorded everything — but not Jesus. How he knows that everything that was going on is included in Josephus’ work, and that there weren’t other omissions is unclear — how can one ascertain that a historical record is exhaustive when one was not there themselves? But he then tells us that there is one reference from Josephus; however this uses the word ‘Messiah,’ which Gough insists is proof that this statement was added later, and can’t be by originally by Josephus — since as a Jew, he wouldn’t have referred to Jesus as ‘Messiah.’ To me, this presumption seems unjustified — the followers of Jesus were Jews and came to confess Him as Messiah. One might well refer to a figure by the term which they’re known by most commonly within their community, whatever they think of them themselves, to distinguish them from others with the same first name. So, a writer of Jewish heritage could potentially refer to Jesus as Messiah; because he’d in fact realised that He was, or simply because this is was how He was locally famous, as well as to set Him apart in references from others with the first name of Jesus.<br />
In fact, Gough’s dismissal of Josephus’ reference to Jesus neglects the fact that historians have long debated whether the passage is authentic. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum" rel="noopener" target="_blank">The common consensus is that it has an authentic nucleus</a>; so, Gough’s arrogant dismissal is deceitful. The passage in question reads:—<br />
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“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.”<br />
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“The Messiah was meant to be a great military leader who’d kick the Romans out… He failed on that count, totally,” Pinkett sneers derisively, entirely ignoring the version of Jesus that is presented in the Gospels. Whilst many amongst the Jewish people at the time expected the Messiah to vanquish their Roman oppressors, God had not promised them this — not at the Messiah’s <i>first</i> coming. Rather, as the New Testament repeatedly expounds, the Messiah <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9%3A27-28&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">came to save from sin, to deliver eternal liberty</a>. “The whole idea that He was the Son of God was grafted on, by Himself or His followers,” Pinkett continues — but this is an entirely null statement, with no reasoning or evidence offered. Is she suggesting that Jesus and His apostles proclaiming His deity nullifies the claim? Would she not expect the Son of God to declare His identity? Would she not expect that witnesses to His miracles might become followers, such that, as she scoffs, Jesus’ status as Messiah was announced by followers of His? And why on Earth would He or His followers graft the idea on when all that it brought them was death? Note also — no other prophet or founder of a major religion claimed to be from God as Jesus did.<br />
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“We know for a fact that Tacitus existed,” Theakston announces as he begins to consider other writers at the time. I don’t doubt that Tacitus existed — but how can Theakston be so adamant of this when he deems historical writings so tenuous that he can entertain the idea that all of those discussing Jesus are false?<br />
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Dominic Selwood then opines, “It’s extraordinary, because religion demands certainty, the one thing that we don’t have with Jesus is certainty.” I wonder: why is he qualified to determine what “religions demand”? Which religions does he feel have certainty that Christianity lacks? For that matter, which ancient history is so very certain in contrast to the events of Jesus’ life? The New Testament manuscripts are, by several fundamental measures, more credible than other historical works of similar age. One measure of reliability of historical works is the number of copies discovered, and another is the proximity of the date of discovered copies to the date of the authorship. For example, Tacitus — of whom Jamie Theakston is so confident — wrote his Histories around 100 AD; just a handful of manuscript copies of which are available, dated to <i>c.</i> 800—1000 AD. Of the celebrated classic, <i>The Iliad</i>, by the beloved ancient Greek storyteller Homer, there are between 600 and 2000 manuscript pieces, but the earliest of these is dated to 400 years after the authorship.<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2">[2]</a><br />
Around 5,800 ancient Greek manuscript copies of the New Testament have been discovered,<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3">[3]</a> but there are also over 4,000 Slavic manuscripts<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4">[4]</a>; over 10,000 Latin Vulgate NT manuscripts; over 2,000 Armenian manuscripts; and translations into other languages besides. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Library_Papyrus_P52" rel="noopener" target="_blank">The earliest surviving manuscript is estimated to have been written around 130 AD</a>, having been authored between 50 and 100 AD.<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6">[6]</a><br />
Ignoring the New Testament as potential evidence of events is truly nonsensical. Thus, when Selwood tells us that the “first Gospels were written 60 years after” (<i>i.e.</i>, <i>c.</i> 90 AD) the events described, he’s contradicting and concealing from his audience the conclusions of more highly accredited scholars, as well as ignoring the fact that other books of the New Testament are believed to have been written earlier than the Gospels.<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7">[7]</a><br />
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One of the other ‘experts,’ Tony McMahon, claims that Jesus followers had believed that He’d return soon, and consequentally didn’t write down accounts of Jesus immediately; at which point scribes then got scribbling, and suddenly there were “40-50 Gospels,” not only four. How ironical! — he clearly believes this to be true — thus implying that the four canonical Gospels included are themselves accurate. One might argue that this serves (ever so slighty) to affirm the integrity of the early Church — the reason that the New Testament canon was assimilated was to purge erroneous interpretations. Indeed, one might even contend that these additional, apocryphal Gospels serve as further support for key events. Had Jesus not truly died and risen — or as mythicists contend, not even existed — why would so many separate writings attest to Him? But this is not the place to delve further into the apocryphal Gospels — we have briefly considered these <a href="https://etimasthe.com/2018/04/23/independent-online-historians-are-questioning-if-jesus-ever-existed-at-all-is-there-any-substance-to-it-longer-version/#Point5" rel="noopener" target="_blank">in articles elsewhere</a>.<br />
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For Christians, the precise location of the tomb that Jesus walked out of is simply not the matter of significance, but it becomes the focus of much of the programme.<br />
[perfectpullquote align="right" class="pullquote"]“Jamie Theakston asks whether it would be typical for a Jew of Jesus’ standing to be buried in such a tomb — ignorant, seemingly, that what Christianity teaches is that Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Jewish council, buried Jesus in a tomb owned by his family, which would have been far grander than the typical burial site of a carpenter.”<br />
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As a tour guide takes Jamie Theakston to view the ‘Garden Tomb,’ Theakston asks whether it would be typical for a Jew of Jesus’ standing to be buried in such a tomb as that — ignorant, seemingly, that what Christianity teaches is <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+19%3A38-42%3B+Mark+15%3A42-47&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">that Joseph of Arimathea, a member of the Jewish council, buried Jesus in a tomb owned by his family, which would have been far grander than the typical burial site of a carpenter</a>. The tour guide then declares that the Garden Tomb can’t be Jesus’ burial place after all, since the New Testament tells us that Jesus was placed in new tomb, and the Garden Tomb is dated to 800 years BC. It seems odd that the New Testament is entirely ignored for most of the programme, but still used to refute what we’re expected to have thought might be evidence.<br />
“You go there today and it just sort of feels right,” comments Andrew Gough of the Garden Tomb. This is utterly bizarre — sceptics will brutally scorn believers for holding faith based on feelings; so are we now to rely on feelings to determine truth? I would then argue that, for billions of people, it has ‘felt’ right that Jesus is the Messiah — but of course, when <i>we</i> feel that something “is right,” this is deemed meaningless by atheists, including Lynn Pinkett later in the programme.<br />
Next, Theakston and his tour guide take us to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre (CoHS), where we see scores of tourists, excited at being at what is apparently considered the most likely burial site. The Stone of Unction, the slab rumoured to be that on which Jesus’ body was prepared is seemingly thought by some to thus be holy, and the pilgrims keenly rub their souvenirs on it. It’s abundantly clear that the programme is endeavouring to portray Christianity as foolish superstition. The reality is, of course, that only a tiny minority of Christians entertain myths like this — and those that do are influenced to do so by culture rather than Christianity. Websites dedicated to informing tourists about the CoHS make no mention of it. But will some viewers presume that rubbing souvenirs on a stone to attain blessing is representative of Christianity?<br />
At this point, Selwood interjects that because the Romans demolished Jerusalem, holy sites such as that of Jesus’ death and burial were lost and that the CoHS was created by the Byzantines 300 years later. This is a significant deviation from the view of historians — The British Museum, The Encyclopaedia Britannica, The Jerusalem Post and other sources state that the Church was built by the Roman Emperor Constantine, and later destroyed by the Persians. The site had first been built on by the Roman Emperor Hadrian, as a temple for Venus,<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn8" name="_ftnref8">[8]</a> deliberately seeking to cover over Jesus’ tomb, but that the Christian Emperor Constantine replaced this temple with a Church, that was connected with a Church built nearby at Golgotha.<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn9" name="_ftnref9">[9]</a><br />
The Chapel of Adam is located just below the purported site of Golgotha. According to the tour guide, legend has it that the rock containing Adam’s skull was underground below the cross, and a drop of Jesus’ blood ran down causing Adam to momentarily resurrect. Again, this superstition is not mentioned on websites for the Church, and would be rejected by almost every Christian, but some viewers of the programme will be further misled into thinking that Christianity is nonsense by description of this myth.<br />
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When the tour guide mentions Jesus’ death at Golgotha, Jamie Theakston retorts, “But I thought that Jesus was crucified on Calvary?” which at least gave me a laugh out of the programme. Had he truly never heard of Golgotha? It is, of course, simply the Greek version (based on an Aramaic word) of the Latin name of Calvary; <a href="https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/calvary" rel="noopener" target="_blank">both translate as ‘Place of the skull’</a>.<br />
Dr Matt Green describes the area of the purported holy sites as “Disneyland for Christians,” and one of the particular aims of the programme is clearly to mock the tourism sector that’s grown out of believers’ appetite for personal taction with the precise premises of Jesus death and resurrection. But this is all a diversion; highlighting the folly of this tourism industry brings us no nearer to knowing whether Jesus rose. In fact, it’s arguably somewhat pagan to obsess over sites and souvenirs.<br />
Gough remarks that the Bible says that sites should be outside the city walls, not within, so that the Church of the Holy Sepulchre cannot be the true site. “A rational mind [would realise that the CoHS is a]… symbolic representation of a story which itself is allegorical… [which]… would have happened outside of city walls not within” — yet, as Theakston had already told us earlier in the programme, the original city walls from Jesus’ time were further inward than the current city walls. No rationale is offered to support the presumptuous assertion that that the New Testament’s account of Jesus is allegorical.<br />
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As another local tour guide leads Theakston around, he mentions the pool <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+5%3A1-9&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">where the New Testament tells us that a crippled man was healed by Jesus</a>. But Theakston immediately replies that he wants to ignore the “miraculous, get some actual historical proof… Is there any archaeological evidence of Jesus’ existence?” The tour guide responds, “That’s a tough one, have to say no. If you want to believe it, it’s truth.” A perfect specimen of the relativism that’s so pervasive today. History — in fact all aspects of reality — relies upon the truth that there will often by differing opinions on what has happened. But it cannot be that contradictory notions are simultaneously true. Jesus returned to life or He didn’t.<br />
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Andrew Gough proclaims, “There were dozens of Messiahs, aware of OT prophecies.” Yet as all Christians who’ve dipped their toe into apologetics know, many of the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled were entirely out of Jesus’ control. He had, for example, no influence (humanly speaking) over where He was born, nor the circumstances surrounding His death and burial — yet in these He fulfilled numerous prophecies. Meanwhile, He made no attempt to fulfil the expectations that many of His contempories had of the Messiah. Had He been dishonestly attempting to convince people that He was who they’d been longing for, He’d surely have put some effort into opposing the tyrannical Romans.<br />
Dominic Selwood: “He was a political agitator; He would have been thrown out for the dogs.” Quite what he means by this eludes me. Is he truly ignorant of the New Testament’s repeated statement <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+19%3A38-42%3B+Mark+15%3A42-47&version=ESVUK" rel="noopener" target="_blank">that Jesus was buried by Joseph of Arimathea</a>, or can he simply not think of any point to raise against it? That political agitators were typically thrown to the dogs is of no meaning whatsoever; if Joseph of Arimathea took the body, then it has no bearing on whether the claims that Jesus was seen alive again can be trusted. But even if the assertion is true that his body was thrown out for dogs, why then is the programme centred around finding Jesus’ burial site?<br />
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What people don’t understand — Lynn Pinkett bemoans — is that Jesus was not important, since Pilate apparently executed three hundred would-be Messiahs. “Jesus was just one of them,” she flippantly declares. But why then (does she suppose?) that His following, in the face of severe persecution, persisted and grew into the world’s largest religion? Why would the number of people crucified tell us anything whatsoever about Jesus’ diety or lack thereof? It’s a <i>non sequitur</i> — Jesus is worshipped because of the significance and uniqueness of His rising from the dead, not because anyone was claiming that His execution was unique.<br />
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Next, in perhaps the most bizarre part of the programme, we’re told about the Talpiot tomb — about which a documentary was produced by James Cameron in 2007, entitled “The Lost Tomb of Jesus”. Theakston tells us that it was soon thereafter found to be a hoax, and not to be that of Jesus after all. Gough laments that it could have been the greatest discovery — his frustration strongly suggests that he’s fervently keen for his worldview to be proven true, more than he’s keen to uncover the truth. The same seems true of Lynn Pinkett, who comments sneering that this discovery of Jesus’ bones — as though entirely ignoring that the tomb had been exposed false — shows “how wrong the Church was, doesn’t it?” To clarify, she’s arguing that a discovery which has, according to this very programme, been proven false, is evidence against the Gospel. It truly is peculiar. Adding to the eccentricity, Andrew Gough remarks that the invalidation of “The Lost Tomb of Jesus” was particularly upsetting given “all James Cameron’s credibility.” That he deems James Cameron credible evidences utter ignorance of scholarship — he’s equating skill as a film director with reliability in examining fact, ignoring the fact that James Cameron has no relevant qualifications. (Then again, neither does Gough.)<br />
Googling Andrew Gough brings up his profile on a website for “The College of Psychic Studies” — quite how someone involved in this has been considered a reasonable contributor for a factual history documentary is beyond me. On his own website, he describes himself as a “London-based writer, and TV presenter of historical mysteries” — no mention of any academic qualifications whatsoever can be found. In <i>Forbidden History: Uncovering the Real Jesus</i>, the title given to him is “Editor of Heretic Magazine” — but examining its website shows that it’s not a publication, essentially only a blog, which hasn’t been updated in nine months.<br />
Tony McMahon also lacks academic credentials, and blogs as the “Templar Knight”.<br />
This is a recurrent theme throughout the documentary — we are being presented with the opinions of history enthusiasts, not scholars — and amongst the ostensible experts speaking to the audience, only Matt Green is described on screen with a doctorate — and online one can see that his area of expertise is recent British history, not the ancient Middle East. Notably though, as the most qualified of the speakers, he also happens to be the most sympathetic to the historicity of Christianity.<br />
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Yet Theakston now announces that he “got in touch with [a] self-proclaimed agnostic and writer”; we see Theakston interview him in Australia via Skype. It’s unfathomable that it would be necessary to use a guest on the other side of the planet when they’ve not even any credentials. Theakston might as well have vox popped passers by. The agnostic student declares over Skype that he thinks it most likely that Jesus never actually existed. This conspiracy theory has become almost amusingly widespread amongst the public in recent years, though it lacks support amongst historians. In a <i>National Geographic</i> feature on Jesus last year (far more credible), the biblical archaeologist Eric Meyers stated, “I don’t know any mainstream scholar who doubts the historicity of Jesus. The details have been debated for centuries, but no one who is serious doubts that he’s a historical figure.”<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn10" name="_ftnref10">[10]</a> And the Guardian last year featured a piece by Dr Simon Gathercole, Reader in New Testament Studies at the University of Cambridge, which concluded: “These abundant historical references leave us with little reasonable doubt that Jesus lived and died. The more interesting question — which goes beyond history and objective fact — is whether Jesus died and lived.”<a class="sup" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftn11" name="_ftnref11">[11]</a><br />
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Again, we now see Dr Matt Green telling us that Jesus “probably existed, not the Son of God as far as we know.”<br />
He’s already declared his naturalism, so of course he won’t consider Jesus to be the Son of God — rendering the programme's supposed purpose void.<br />
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Lynn Pinkett now imitates Christians, then scorns that “they’re confusing their emotions with the facts; the Jesus that existed was just a man” — although we’ve just been told that He probably didn’t exist. Why not conclude that atheists’ emotions drive their conclusions?<br />
Gough: “It sounds a bit harsh to say we’ve been hoodwinked. But we have.” The arrogance is painful. Given that he’s the editor of a “magazine” — blog — that profits from convincing people of his view, is he not potentially hoodwinking people?<br />
Theakston concludes that it doesn’t matter that there’s probably no evidence for Jesus. “Is faith enough?” — arrogantly implying that his gang have proven an ‘absence of evidence.’ In reality, they’ve simply been ignoring it — other secular documentaries might at least have critiqued it.<br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RqT0Id_QS64/W4x02zzjTuI/AAAAAAAAAcY/YeKayEE0XycXLXCJKJsgBrIXlucQqpj8QCEwYBhgL/s1600/crucified_jesus__the_face_by_devcager.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="990" data-original-width="1500" height="211" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RqT0Id_QS64/W4x02zzjTuI/AAAAAAAAAcY/YeKayEE0XycXLXCJKJsgBrIXlucQqpj8QCEwYBhgL/s320/crucified_jesus__the_face_by_devcager.jpg" width="320" /></a>Ultimately, “Forbidden History; Uncovering the Real Jesus” cowardly ignores the rationale that Christianity is in fact based upon; bickers about trivialities; and employs an eclectic medley of underqualified atheists to implore baseless doctrine. Apologies, my own feelings are getting the better of me. But truly, it’s irrefutable that by comparison to most documentaries on mainstream channels, this programme is oddly lacking in scholarly credibility, and in place of balance displays internal contradiction throughout. I can only hope that its inadequacy is abundantly clear to viewers.<br />
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1">[1]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum" rel="noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum</a></div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref2" name="_ftn2">[2]</a> Graeme D. Bird, <a href="https://chs.harvard.edu/CHS/article/display/4864.graeme-d-bird-multitextuality-in-the-homeric-iliad-the-witness-of-the-ptolemaic-papyri" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><i>Multitextuality in the Homeric Iliad: The Witness of the Ptolemaic Papyri</i></a>. Center for Hellenic Studies, Washington, DC, 2010</div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref3" name="_ftn3">[3]</a> Robert B. Stewart (ed.), <a href="http://fortresspress.com/product/reliability-new-testament-bart-d-ehrman-and-daniel-b-wallace-dialogue" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><i>The Textual Reliability of the New Testament: Bart D. Ehrman and Daniel B. Wallace in Dialogue</i></a>. Fortress Press, 2011</div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref4" name="_ftn4">[4]</a> Henry R. Cooper, <a href="https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781611472516/Slavic-Scriptures-Formation-Church-Slavonic-1611472512/plp" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><i>Slavic Scriptures: The Formation of the Church Slavonic Version of the Holy Bible</i></a>. Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 2003</div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref5" name="_ftn5">[5]</a> J. K. Elliott, <a href="https://www.bu.edu/ict/anrw/pub/II/26/elliott.html" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><i>The Translations of the New Testament into Latin: The Old Latin and the Vulgate</i></a></div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref6" name="_ftn6">[6]</a> For example, one of the earliest New Testament books, <i>1 Thessalonians</i> — which is in fact a letter to a church — is believed to have been written around AD 50. See Leon Morris, <i>Tyndale New Testament Commentaties: 1 & 2 Thessalonians</i>. Tyndale Press, 1971: p.15. For an estimate (fairly conservative) of the dates of authorship of the New Testament books, see <a href="http://gracedoctrine.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/NT-Book-Dates.jpg" rel="noopener" target="_blank">http://gracedoctrine.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/NT-Book-Dates.jpg</a>, on the page <a href="http://gracedoctrine.org/the-bible-pt-5-outline-of-the-new-testament-books/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">http://gracedoctrine.org/the-bible-pt-5-outline-of-the-new-testament-books/</a>.</div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref7" name="_ftn7">[7]</a> <i>Ibid.</i></div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref8" name="_ftn8">[8]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre#Construction" rel="noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre#Construction</a></div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref9" name="_ftn9">[9]</a> <i>Ibid.</i></div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref10" name="_ftn10">[10]</a> Kristin Romey, ‘The Search for the Real Jesus,’ in <i>National Geographic</i> (December 2017), p.42</div>
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<a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7020374259817960453#_ftnref11" name="_ftn11">[11]</a> Dr Simon Gathercole, ‘What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?’, in <i>The Guardian</i>, 14 April 2017. <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died" rel="noopener" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died</a></div>
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