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I’ve
recently been reading apologetics ...the notion that) the nature of the
universe is logical therefore there must have been a logical creator
(teleological argument). I question this. The erratic and unreliable
nature of human rationality (imo) may support theories of evolution
favouring the conditions for survival, Human rationality can be
explained as an evolved adaptation.
I don't see how it can be presumed rationality results from evolutionary adaptation (particularly at the molecular level). But note too that many theists believe evolution with God's guidance Why would varying ideas around the world count against God? Some people are not seeking God - and our hearts are stubborn.
I don't see how it can be presumed rationality results from evolutionary adaptation (particularly at the molecular level). But note too that many theists believe evolution with God's guidance Why would varying ideas around the world count against God? Some people are not seeking God - and our hearts are stubborn.
The
problem isn't with people who aren't seeking God. The problem is that
when people do seek God, they overwhelmingingly find the God that is
local to them. People don't generally seek God and find Jesus; they seek
God and find whatever religion happens to be local to them. This isn't
because they're more stubborn; it's not like someone born in Saudi
Arabia is inherently more stubborn than a western Christian is.
The reason this is evidence against classical theism is because it undermines the universality of God. If the prime determinant of someone's salvation isn't whether or not they seek God, but instead where they happened to be born, then that's a pretty big problem for the concept of a God who wants all to be saved equally. If someone genuinely wants to seek God as they understand God, but find another religion, then their seeking was meaningless. They're still damned just as if they never cared to seek.
This is a somewhat different quandary. But there are various possible solutions, including - He could, hypothetically - as He knows what a person will freely decide - have those who are going to choose Him be born into circumstances that will facilitate that. Another possibility is that God supernaturally presents such a person with a choice to accept salvation through Jesus in their dying moments. ....but theologians and philosophers could answer this better than me. I'm more drawn by how science indicates God's existence and history supports Jesus ' resurrection (than by arguments like those in the original post), if we don't comprehend His plans for the world it doesn't change the reality of Him.
The reason this is evidence against classical theism is because it undermines the universality of God. If the prime determinant of someone's salvation isn't whether or not they seek God, but instead where they happened to be born, then that's a pretty big problem for the concept of a God who wants all to be saved equally. If someone genuinely wants to seek God as they understand God, but find another religion, then their seeking was meaningless. They're still damned just as if they never cared to seek.
This is a somewhat different quandary. But there are various possible solutions, including - He could, hypothetically - as He knows what a person will freely decide - have those who are going to choose Him be born into circumstances that will facilitate that. Another possibility is that God supernaturally presents such a person with a choice to accept salvation through Jesus in their dying moments. ....but theologians and philosophers could answer this better than me. I'm more drawn by how science indicates God's existence and history supports Jesus ' resurrection (than by arguments like those in the original post), if we don't comprehend His plans for the world it doesn't change the reality of Him.
Nope.
Language is knowledge/skill, racism is a primitive, animal like
instinct. The amygdala in the brain is a contributing factor. We
shouldn't presume ourselves immune if we're born into progressive
families, each person should address their subconscious biases.
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How can I be at peace knowing that 2 of my family members who I love are likely in hell and eternal torture?
Huge condolences.
PLEASE
DON'T PRESUME THAT HELL IS ETERNAL TORTURE. This is a common
misconception in Christian circles, but it' doesn't appear to be what
the Bible actually says. Instead, Scripture seems more likely to be
indicating that it entails annihilation, not *ongoing* torture
*forever*. Sites like ReThinking Hell explore this in more detail.
Of
course, it's also possible that, in their dying moments, they were
presented with a final opportunity to choose to repentantly turn to
Jesus. There's no way of knowing this side of Heaven, and I'm so sorry
that that uncertainty must be painful. Remember that "The Lord is ...not
wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance" (2 Peter
3:9). So Hell is people *choosing* to reject Him and therefore to be
separated from Him and the life He has given us rather than entering
Eternity in His presence.
See i dont really know what to believe when it comes to this topic.
If
im being honest, its generally because when someone speaks about it, I
know what they are saying cant be true. So I just nod and move on
without really thinking about what I believe.
But to unpick the things you say, this is why it wouldn't make sense that what you are saying is true:
(I will use mum as an eg)
-
she could have been a law abiding, hard working citizen with a good
heart and someone that generally lived by christian values without the
'actual term' being used. So because she never announced it out loud,
she goes to hell?
No. Do they not say actions speak louder than words?
-
what about people that die around the world that havent been educated
or didnt know? Or someone born into a different faith who learns based
on what their loved ones teach? They go to hell? Despite it not being
their fault?
- what
about a mass murderer that has done awful things for years, and was
never religious but all of a sudden turned to Jesus on his death bed? So
he gets a ticket to heaven and your mum doesnt?
- what about when it states that people could go to church all their life and do all the right things and not end up there?
Sorry but I dont believe that at all.
If
there is heaven, then good people will go. There cant be a rule that
some good people do and some amazing people dont. Some good people will
go to hell but some evil people will go to heaven.
If there is a heaven and your mum and aunt were good, then there is no reason why they wouldn't be anywhere else.
"If
there is heaven, then good people will go." is simply a common cultural
presumption, it's not what the Bible says. Being a "law abiding, hard
working citizen with a good heart and someone that generally lived by
christian values" is not the determining factor. It's choosing to
repentantly turn to Jesus that leads to a person entering Heaven (ie,
God's presence).
If a
mass murderer turned to God on his deathbed then YES, he would enter
Heaven - but only if his repentance was genuine, and this may rarely be
the case for those evil enough to be mass murders. You know of the thief
on the cross, surely?
"no
reason"? The reason for any of us is that our sin, even if seemingly
small, has separated us from God, since He is perfectly HOLY. But each
person if offered salvation through Jesus - so the reason for not
entering God's presence ("Heaven") is choosing to reject Him.
i struggle to believe it.
As i said before, wasnt it said that some people who believe and attend church every week may not enter.
Therefore it cannot be the only defining factor.
Also
there are good people out there who have followed christ but may lose
themselves temporarily, say, for example, if they lost all their family
in a tragic accident and was angry.
If
that person lost their faith, but in hindsight would have found their
way back in a year or two, but something happened where that person died
before this time ... then by definition, they wouldn't enter heaven.
The logic doesnt make sense. Not to me anyway
When
you write "Therefore it cannot be the only defining factor", what do
you mean by "it"? I never said that Church was the defining factor - it
looks as though you're deeming what I've referred to and Church
attendance to be one and the same, but that's not the case at all.
The
defining factor is Jesus - what He has done, and whether we choose to
truly turn to Him in repentance - not what we ourselves do (in terms of
"hard work", since you mention it, nor being "good" etc - though a
person who genuinely has turned to Him will *want* to do good).
It
may not feel like it "makes sense", see for instance "The natural man
does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they
are foolishness to him" (1 Corinthians 2:14). We instinctively want to
think that going to Heaven is about being "good", partly so that we can
feel proud that we earn it and that we're in control. But we actually
don't earn it, we're offered forgiveness and Eternal life that we don't
deserve. The "logic" is that we can choose to accept this offer by
repentantly and seeking Jesus, or we can reject it - and if we reject
Him, why would God have us enter His presence for eternity, which is
what Heaven is?
Premier Christian Radio - Migrants
Some people come here without good reasons. But some have very good reasons. We instinctively want to overgeneralise, but in reality humanity is endlessly complicated.
And it's convenient, when we may instinctively want to avoid confronting our own sin, to imagine that there are good people and bad people. Ie if people can convince themselves that we (native Brits) are inherently more civilised, whilst folk from elsewhere are simply opportunistic and the cause of the country's problems, it enables us to derogate from the reality of our personal imperfections.
Of course, the Bible repeatedly tells us to have compassion for strangers, but everyone knows this and yet some seek to deny it.
And it's convenient, when we may instinctively want to avoid confronting our own sin, to imagine that there are good people and bad people. Ie if people can convince themselves that we (native Brits) are inherently more civilised, whilst folk from elsewhere are simply opportunistic and the cause of the country's problems, it enables us to derogate from the reality of our personal imperfections.
Of course, the Bible repeatedly tells us to have compassion for strangers, but everyone knows this and yet some seek to deny it.
Reddit -How can Christians deal with health issues due to sin and somewhat a regret towards the life that could have been?
Life is a struggle. The flesh is weak. We can feel as though our problems will be resolved immediately, but in reality we need to daily ask God's help. Consider how Paul refers to disciplining his body and to his thorn in the flesh.
The difficulties we have can *simultaneously* be the result of our sin nature *and* illness - we may be suffering as victims of sickness whilst *also* being guilty of sin, yet even when the latter is true God offers us undeserved salvation, and our flesh's weakness can serve as a necessary reminder of our continual need of Him. Keep on repenting and humbly seeking His help, over and over, every day.
"No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:11)
The difficulties we have can *simultaneously* be the result of our sin nature *and* illness - we may be suffering as victims of sickness whilst *also* being guilty of sin, yet even when the latter is true God offers us undeserved salvation, and our flesh's weakness can serve as a necessary reminder of our continual need of Him. Keep on repenting and humbly seeking His help, over and over, every day.
"No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:11)
Premier Christian Radio - Aliens
Listening to Michel-Yves Bolloré - who wrote "God, the Science, the Evidence" about how science indicates God's existence - I was struck by his comment that there are many people who are keen to believe in aliens but no in God. Yet God, he said, is like an alien in some respects (though not others!) - He's beyond our immediate Earthly experience. But people are far more willing to believe in aliens because believing in God renders us accountable to a moral arbiter.
Amazing Grace
I remember the occasion on which my days explained grace to me. I'm grateful to have been given the name Grace - though it's often wrongly imagined to refer to grace fulness. I had the actual meaning tattooed on my arm. As I say when I speak to Dotun Adebayo (on BBC Radio 5/local), who jokingly calls me "Amazing Grace" when I call in, I myself am the opposite of amazing, but the concept that my dad named me after is amazing.
The song is, of course about the lament of a man who had previously been involved in the indescribable evil of the slave trade, and his joy that undeserved forgiveness is possible through Jesus. That the song has been adopted (with such great skill) by some Black artists is demonstrative of they themselves offering grace. Our world needs more of it.
The song is, of course about the lament of a man who had previously been involved in the indescribable evil of the slave trade, and his joy that undeserved forgiveness is possible through Jesus. That the song has been adopted (with such great skill) by some Black artists is demonstrative of they themselves offering grace. Our world needs more of it.
But what about the Bible verses that seem to outlaw homosexuality?
Christianity
IS about following Christ. The Bible is a complex collection of texts,
in fact there *are* answers to queries like these but first and foremost
we should seek to follow Jesus.
Why
were you trying to do what you describe in the first place? Believe and
turn to Jesus because He actually died and rose to life, defeating
death - our morality doesn't change that.
Oh for frick's sake, you really don't understand our country at all. The killer was NO a migrant, he was born and bred here.
Migration
has been coming *down* under the current, *Labour* government - it's
the former *Conservative* governments that have had the highest
migration policies - but migration is NOT our country's main issue. And
if it weren't for migration, YOUR country wouldn't exit.
And FTR, Kemi's surname is pronounced "BADE-enoch", not "BAD-enoch".
Do you find it odd when some people say, "be quiet you don't know the Bible"?
I've never seen this comment.
If you're writing things, you *are* being quiet. If you want to be loud, phone in to radio stations (I highly recommend it)
Major
life tip (sorry this will seem patronising, but it took me a while to
realise it and I wish that I had done sooner) - avoid pointless online
arguments with strangers. (which isn't to say that I don't sympathise
with you RE having received the disrespectful comment)
In reality the Bible knowledge of whoever wrote that is lacking, since the Bible teaches us to have humility and patience.